[TruthTalk] Trailer of a new movie: Freedom to Fascism
Some of the contentis about taxes, but there are prophetic ramifications to buying and selling and the mark of the beast. There are three media players to choose from for the preview. http://www.freedomtofascism.com/w_high.html
Re: [TruthTalk] The Future of TruthTalk
David M, how does this list work? Do you have a very large computer that automatically does it? I do not recall using yahoo to join up. --Marlin
Re: [TruthTalk] Truth Gossip
Dear David Miller, I believe that my first post was critical of the way that members were treating one-another. Soon after, I found myself to be a recipient of ad hominem remarks. Since that time I have been very sparing with what I have contributed to the forum. Thank you David Miller, for maintaining your dignity throughout the time I have been tuned in to TT. You have my highest respect. I have not yet unsubscribed from TT. I am now waiting to see as Caroll is making an effort to improve the forum. He has my support in so doing. Alas, there has been an occasional golden nugget. Hanging around is akin to the times in my life when I have gone dumpster diving to find something of value. And I appreciate getting to know of others who are using their unique gifts and methods to minister for God. Love, Marlin -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Merry Christmas!
1.) Christ 2.) Mass I think we all know that "Christ" refers to God's Son Jesus. The word "Mass" comes from Old English mæsse, a modification of (assumed) Vulgar Latin messa from the Late Latin missa, literally meaning "dismissal"; as in at the end of a religious service. The Middle English Christemasse, comes from Old English Cristes mæsse, literally, Christ's mass - shortened to "Christ-mas". Meaning the "dismissal" or passing away of Christ; or more directly, the death of Christ. Those who understand a bit about the Catholic religion realize that the "Mass" always refers to the sacrificial death of Christ. The word "Christmas" comes from the Roman Catholic ritual. Folks walk around this time of year saying "Merry Christmas!" to each other. I wonder if it occurs to anyone they are saying "Merry Death of Christ." www.truthontheweb.org/NwsClpz/122405.htm- Maranatha
Re: [TruthTalk] Merry Christmas!
I appreciate the distinction you have made between one's "faith" and one's "religion." The Bible does not speak very highly of religion except for that which is pure and undefiled before God. Thanks --Marlin - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Merry Christmas! Correction Marlin!! It ought to be spoken of as The Catholic Faith. It (the Catholic Faith) is no more 'religion' than that which YOU yourself practice. Do YOU, Marlin, practice 'religion'?
[TruthTalk] Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper' http://contrarianistic.blogspot.com/ http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml
Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, I am partially inclined to agree with you that all has not been fulfilled--the gold plates were first delivered to the Prophet JS on the day of the Feast of Trumpets. JS never pointed this out--not sure he even knew it--but it is true. Check it out--September 22, 1827. Marlin: I did. Curious. : ) http://www.cbcg.org/Calendar/index.html
Re: [TruthTalk] Campus Preaching-Kevin Deegan / David Miller?
To add to what David Miller wrote, you might be interested in studying these short law courses: TITLE 42/CIVIL RIGHTS CLASS, and the BASIC COURTROOM STRATEGY PROCEDURE CLASS http://www.georgegordon.net/Classes.htm#title42 - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:47 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Campus Preaching-Kevin Deegan / David Miller? cd: Do you guys know the laws concerning Campus Preaching? The security at WCU keep insisting that I can preach in only two areas on Campus which works good while student are in school-but ifan event such as games and concerts..etc is held then I amstuck onthe other side of campus where no one can hear (ie. the same two areas)?When I go to those events I am meet with great resistance.Have you ran into this problem? I know under the freedom of Speech I have the right to be herd but also can be controlled using that right -as in time ,place and manner. How about the freedom of religion -isn't there some help using that right? Any help you can give will be appreciated.May God bless you brothers :-) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/1/2005 8:14:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] IS THIS A GREAT COUNTRY, OR WHAT? This is a TRUE story! It is not an Urban legend. http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/THISWILLMAKEYOUPROUD.HTML Brian Chontosh http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/lookupstoryref/200456162723 __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] from WND.com
Texas Pastor Electrocuted During BaptismByANGELA K. BROWNThe Associated Press WACO, Texas - The University Baptist Church band had just led the congregation in praise songs when the Rev. Kyle Lake stepped into a tank on the stage to baptize a new member, something he did several times a year. As a packed room of more than 800 people watched, Lake cried out and then fell backward. Several doctors in the Sunday morning crowd rushed up and pulled the 33-year-old pastor from the water, but Lake had been electrocuted. He was pronounced dead shortly afterward at a hospital. Some at the service, which was packed for Baylor University homecoming weekend, said Lake had adjusted a microphone outside the tank. Others said it appeared a piece of equipment fell into the water. "It happened so fast; no one knew what was going on," said Sam Larson, a Minneapolis seminary student who was in Waco visiting fellow Baylor graduates. "It was horrible. Kyle was a guy who loved everybody; he didn't care who you were. And everybody who met him loved him." Waco police believe it was an accident, said police spokesman Steve Anderson. Detectives and the city's inspection department on Monday examined the church's electrical system, microphones and band equipment to try to determine exactly what happened, he said. Randy Childers, who oversees code enforcement for the city, said officials also were reviewing previous inspection reports and permits for the building, which housed a supermarket before the church moved in about 10 years ago. The funeral service for Lake, who was married and had a 5-year-old daughter and 3-year-old twin sons, was planned for Tuesday at Waco's First Baptist Church. Lake, a Tyler native, graduated from Baylor in 1994 and the school's Truett Seminary in 1997. He had been a pastor at University Baptist Church for seven year. The church had grown to about 600 members since it was founded in 1995 as a contemporary church for students at nearby Baylor, the world's largest Baptist university. "He could speak students' language, and he could capture their attention and hold it," said Jeter Basden, Baylor's director of ministry guidance and one of Lake's professors. "He was funny and deep, and he could communicate with someone who didn't have a church background." Since news of Lake's death began spreading, several Baptist pastors have talked about making sure their baptism practices are safe, said David Hardage, executive director of the Waco Baptist Association. But he said the tragedy won't end the tradition of completely submersing someone during a baptism, which symbolizes a Christian's belief that Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead. The woman who was to be baptized Sunday wasn't injured, church officials said. "It's an integral part of the Baptist faith," Hardage said. "For Baptists, we don't believe that baptism is an act of salvation. We believe baptism is an act of obedience and a testimony for what you believe." - AP staff writer Anabelle Garay in Dallas contributed to this report.
[TruthTalk] Genetically Modified Foods
I think genetically modified foods should be clearly labeled so that I may choose not to eat them. Shortcut: http://www.thecampaign.org/kraft/ Adding rat genes to lettuce, or swine genes to tomatoes makes them "unclean." http://www.thecampaign.org/newsupdates/july01x.htm --Marlin
Re: [TruthTalk] help
http://www.dreamscapecom/morgana/leda.htm TWA 800 Investigationby Ian Williams Goddard "Traces of the explosive PETN (used in both bombs and guided missiles) were found on the debris of TWA flight 800, which crashed off the Long Island shore on July 17, 1996 killing 230 people. The crash has been classified as an accident. The finding of PETN was, however, not revealed to the public at an FBI or NTSB press conference. The only reason this most significant discovery became known to the American people was because several high-level investigators leaked the information to the New York Times. " http://www.dreamscapecom/morgana/leda.htm also: http://wwwnewsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/3/29/111323 http://www.coverups.com/twa/friendly2.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] help Does anyone know the number of the flight that was shot down off the coast of Florida two or three years ago -- flight 108 I thought. but I cannot find any info on this flight. I must have something wrong. JD
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments SO you keep them Dave? All of them? If your boss gave you 10 instructions to follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for keeping just 8?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there? :-) However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments? Terry Clifton wrote: Dave wrote: DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry? ==Since Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am not under the law.How many of them do you keep?-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
"...God gave him wisdom. He did not use it." Terry So did he fail to heed the conclusion of the matter? Marlin - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments Marlin halverson wrote: PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin =Soloman was most definetly stupid. He started out on good terms with God and ended up worshipping idols. God gave him wisdom. He did not use it.Terry
Re: [TruthTalk] Blainerb back from Jackson Hole Wyoming
What is IMO? I've seen this being used, but what is it? International Maritime Organization International Mathematical Olympiad Icelandic Meteorolocical Office International Mail Order Inner Mountain Outfitters International Meteor Organization Imo's Pizza? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blainerb back from Jackson Hole Wyoming "...IMO, there should not be anything too hard for the average guy ..." Blainerb Hmmm, my spelling program says I just misspelled my name ?
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/ - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK IFF one believes there was any such conspiracy re: 9/11, one needs to be immediately committed to the looney bin. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK Belief/trust...trust/belief...These are so interlocked. The other night I listened to a panel discussion on 911 (WTC). IFF one is able to demonstrate 'conspiracy' (complicity) on the part of government operatives or agencies then, by extension JFK has significance for discussion. For starters have a look at the 'new' extended edition of Oliver Stone's JFK (2001?).I'm in, John. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 19, 2005 20:48 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT Discussions page states: If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions. Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in play with the JFK assassination ... JD -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
Try majesty twelve http://seekers.100megs6.com/FYI-2.htm - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK So then, Marlin.where do you 'shake out' on this? - Original Message - From: Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/ - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK IFF one believes there was any such conspiracy re: 9/11, one needs to be immediately committed to the looney bin. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK Belief/trust...trust/belief...These are so interlocked. The other night I listened to a panel discussion on 911 (WTC). IFF one is able to demonstrate 'conspiracy' (complicity) on the part of government operatives or agencies then, by extension JFK has significance for discussion. For starters have a look at the 'new' extended edition of Oliver Stone's JFK (2001?).I'm in, John. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 19, 2005 20:48 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT Discussions page states: If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions. Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in play with the JFK assassination ... JD -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
Try halversonfamilyfarmcom. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on DAVEH: You are never too old to have your picture posted on the TT members page! How about it, Marlinwhy don't you submit a picture to DavidM so we can see what you look like? (If that is too much trouble for you, I think I saw some when I was searching for Perry's picture that may look like you) :-) Marlin halverson wrote: I'm oooll
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
Those who love God and keep His commandments are not to let other men judge them for these wonderfulblessings. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on What then of this scripture? Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath daysMarlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunday worship in your eyes is thena symptom of what? Kevin Deegan I believe it, instead of Sabbath keeping,is a symptom of the strong delusion mentioned in 2 Thesolonians 2 and a fulfillment of Isaiah 56. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Sunday worship in your eyes is thena symptom of what?Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast? Kevin Deegan Although it, instead of Sabbath keeping,may be a symptom, it is not 'the' mark of the beast. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast?Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that with very narrow exceptions, all roads lead to Rome. As the Virginia Slims cigarette commercial said to the 'liberated woman,' "You've come a long way baby." It is now time for thatcorporatebody, which has a papal form of government,to take"Rome's Challenge"of 1893. --Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Years ago, when I too, was a legalist, I enjoyed listening to Herbert W Armstrong and Garner Ted. But they lost me with their emphasis on the Old LAw. Many of their arguments -- such as "against evolution" -- were actually very good. Anyway -- Carner Ted did the twist with one of the sisters and Herbert died in the mid 80"s and something very unusual happened to this fellowship. I don't know what to think about all the changes, but one very important change was the "end of the law" and life in a relationship with the Christ. You just might find this article interesting. http://www.wcg.org/lit/AboutUs/history.htm Jd __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
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Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
That assessment is like seeing a piece of the cow up so close that you do not know what you are looking at. It is like saying, "I'm looking atablack mark surrounded by a white area...;" not realizing that one is looking at sometihing that is apart of some much larger beast. --Marlin - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast?Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that with very narrow exceptions, all roads lead to Rome. As the Virginia Slims cigarette commercial said to the 'liberated woman,' "You've come a long way baby." It is now time for thatcorporatebody, which has a papal form of government,to take"Rome's Challenge"of 1893. --Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Years ago, when I too, was a legalist, I enjoyed listening to Herbert W Armstrong and Garner Ted. But they lost me with their emphasis on the Old LAw. Many of their arguments -- such as "against evolution" -- were actually very good. Anyway -- Carner Ted did the twist with one of the sisters and Herbert died in the mid 80"s and something very unusual happened to this fellowship. I don't know what to think about all the changes, but one very important change was the "end of the law" and life in a relationship with the Christ. You just might find this article interesting. http://www.wcg.org/lit/AboutUs/history.htm Jd __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast? Kevin Deegan Although it, instead of Sabbath keeping,may be a symptom, it is not 'the' mark of the beast. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast?Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that with very narrow exceptions, all roads lead to Rome. As the Virginia Slims cigarette commercial said to the 'liberated woman,' "You've come a long way baby." It is now time for thatcorporatebody, which has a papal form of government,to take"Rome's Challenge"of 1893. --Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Years ago, when I too, was a legalist, I enjoyed listening to Herbert W Armstrong and Garner Ted. But they lost me with their emphasis on the Old LAw. Many of their arguments -- such as "against evolution" -- were actually very good. Anyway -- Carner Ted did the twist with one of the sisters and Herbert died in the mid 80"s and something very unusual happened to this fellowship. I don't know what to think about all the changes, but one very important change was the "end of the law" and life in a relationship with the Christ. You just might find this article interesting. http://www.wcg.org/lit/AboutUs/history.htm Jd __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
Sunday worship in your eyes is thena symptom of what? Kevin Deegan I believe it, instead of Sabbath keeping,is a symptom of the strong delusion mentioned in 2 Thesolonians 2 and a fulfillment of Isaiah 56. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Sunday worship in your eyes is thena symptom of what?Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast? Kevin Deegan Although it, instead of Sabbath keeping,may be a symptom, it is not 'the' mark of the beast. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast?Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that with very narrow exceptions, all roads lead to Rome. As the Virginia Slims cigarette commercial said to the 'liberated woman,' "You've come a long way baby." It is now time for thatcorporatebody, which has a papal form of government,to take"Rome's Challenge"of 1893. --Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Years ago, when I too, was a legalist, I enjoyed listening to Herbert W Armstrong and Garner Ted. But they lost me with their emphasis on the Old LAw. Many of their arguments -- such as "against evolution" -- were actually very good. Anyway -- Carner Ted did the twist with one of the sisters and Herbert died in the mid 80"s and something very unusual happened to this fellowship. I don't know what to think about all the changes, but one very important change was the "end of the law" and life in a relationship with the Christ. You just might find this article interesting. http://www.wcg.org/lit/AboutUs/history.htm Jd __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
It seems that with very narrow exceptions, all roads lead to Rome. As the Virginia Slims cigarette commercial said to the 'liberated woman,' "You've come a long way baby." It is now time for thatcorporatebody, which has a papal form of government,to take"Rome's Challenge"of 1893. --Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Years ago, when I too, was a legalist, I enjoyed listening to Herbert W Armstrong and Garner Ted. But they lost me with their emphasis on the Old LAw. Many of their arguments -- such as "against evolution" -- were actually very good. Anyway -- Carner Ted did the twist with one of the sisters and Herbert died in the mid 80"s and something very unusual happened to this fellowship. I don't know what to think about all the changes, but one very important change was the "end of the law" and life in a relationship with the Christ. You just might find this article interesting. http://www.wcg.org/lit/AboutUs/history.htm Jd
Re: [TruthTalk] Michael Rood
In his "Truth and Tradition Episode 2," he claims that Jesus was born the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles, Tishri 15. But he follows this with astronomic proof that Jesus was born on Tishri 1, which I believe is the more probable Fall date. This is not much to quibble about. Rood's teachingis far closer to the Scriptural account than most of Western Christianity. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:44 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Michael Rood Awesome. Thanks, Marlin! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin HalversonSent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:04 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Michael Rood I just found out about an interesting teacher by the name of Michael Roodfrom some friends of mine. I am not in agreement with a number of his assertions, but he is way ahead of most. The following site features some of his video clips: http://www.aroodawakening.tv/rood/programs.html Enjoy, Marlin
[TruthTalk] Michael Rood
I just found out about an interesting teacher by the name of Michael Roodfrom some friends of mine. I am not in agreement with a number of his assertions, but he is way ahead of most. The following site features some of his video clips: http://www.aroodawakening.tv/rood/programs.html Enjoy, Marlin
Re: [TruthTalk] The Mind of Christ
1CO 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 1CO 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Mind of Christ What referencest thou here, Terry? Division? Discord? Disagreement? Never! Well. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 25, 2004 08:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Mind of Christ Grace to allPeace you will find elsewhereJD ==Has anyone else noticed how Satan is able to use God's own words to divide us, even on this day set aside to show God's love for man and man's love for our Savior?Well said John. No peace here today. Not even a truce.Terry
Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?
Do you think that the law is sin - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down? David Miller wrote: I had asked in that post if Slade considered a widow who had married another man to have a renewed marriage contract or a new one. Slade wrote: The logic is wrong here. We are the widow who are then able to marry our True Husband. We are not divorced from Torah of Moses to marry Messiah, we are divorced from the Torah of sin (to quote D.Stern, I think) to marry Messiah. There are two questions involved here. First, I was just asking whether or not a widow who married again was considered to have a renewed or new marriage contract. Can I assume that your answer here is that a widow who married again has a new marriage contract? The second question concerns the passage in Romans. You say that we are not divorced from Torah of Moses to marry Messiah, but rather we are divorced from Torah of sin. Let's examine that, but first let me affirm that we are indeed to divorce from the Torah of sin, and to consider ourselves dead to the Torah of sin, that we might be married to Messiah. We agree on that, but not on the Torah of Moses thing. Look at the passage for yourself. Romans 7:3-13 (3) So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. (4) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. (6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. (7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. (8) But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. (9) For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. (10) And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. (11) For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. (12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. (13) Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. Verse 3. Clearly this is Torah of Moses. The Torah of Moses is what prohibits adultery, but releases the woman to remarry in the case of death. The Torah of sin does not prohibit adultery. So verse 3 is speaking about the Torah of Moses. Agreed? Verse 4. You believe that this verse is talking about Torah of sin while I believe it continues to talk about Torah of Moses. Why do I believe that? Because of the previous and subsequent verses. Verse 5. The motions of sin, which were by the law... which law? The law of Moses, as he explains in verse 6 7. Verse 6. Now we are delivered from the law... which law? The law of Moses, as he explains in verses 7 8. Verse 7. Is the law sin? Well, if we were talking about the law of sin, the answer would be yes, but no, we are talking about the law of Moses. Therefore, verses 4, 5, 6 leading up to this verse clearly has the law of Moses in view. This is most abundantly clear by what follows next. He actually quotes the law: I had not know lust, except the law had said, 'Thou shalt not covet.' Which law is this? Clearly not the law of sin, but the law of Moses. What Paul is explaining here is an interaction between the law of Moses and the law of sin in our members. Verse 8. Without the law, sin was dead. Which law? Again, it is the law of Moses. Look at verse 11: sin taking occasion by the commandment... which commandment? The commandment that comes from the law of Moses. I could go on and on, but surely you get the point. The law Paul speaks about here is the law of Moses. He specifically quotes a commandment of that law (thou shalt not covet). More importantly, he is talking about a kind of relationship with the law, a covenant, whereby one seeks to be justified before God through observing the law of Moses. I believe you have used the word legalism to describe this covenant. He clearly uses words like dead to the law and delivered from the law in speaking about the law of
Re: [TruthTalk] unsubscribe
I have always appreciated your contributions. You will be missed. --Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] unsubscribe I have come to the conclusion (duh!) that my participation on TT is not a worthwhile contribution. I need to use my time wisely as a faithful steward. Please unsubscribe me. Thanks and blessings to each one of you. Let me know when you figure it all out. Just remember, its not what you know but Who you know. See you on the other side. J Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands
I appreciated your previous post , Kay, and shared it with others. It was they who alerted me to the 613 extrapolated points of Judaism not being exactly what is in the scriptures. Your observations about what would apply hold true, however, for the actual commandments that are in the scripture, regardless of the total number of them. --Marlin - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands Slade's wife willingly obeys God's commands. I am not under 613. I believe I already did a post regarding thisthere are not 613 commands for any ONE person. There are commands for just men, just women, just Levites, etc. Last I checked, I was not a man. None of the laws concerning men concern me. Nor am I a Levite, none of those laws concern me (and there are a TON of those). I'm not a part of the Sanhedrin ( a judge in a court), nor am I a King of a country, I don't own a company or have hired employees, I don't have any slaves. Are you getting the picture? Should we disobey the laws for moral character? Don't be afraid of the number...your state has a ton more laws than Scripture on its statutes. Kay
Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands
Slade, You can accuse me of nit picking. I only tell you the truth. The 613 points are paraphrased interpretations of scripture by Judaism at best. They may or may not be theactual commandments from the scripture. The rigors of tradition have a form of religion and its own sense of righteousness. But traditions are niether the commandments nor the righteousnessof God. Take for instance # 76 76 To say the Shema twice daily, Deut. 6:7 This is not a law of God. It does not resemble its scriptural reference.This point of Judaismmay actuallyrequirevain repetitions. The actual verse commands me to teach my children the scriptures in various locations and times. DEU 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. Now take #79 79 To wear tefillin on the head Deut. 6:8 Certainly the commands are so near and dear that they are asan adornment that one may wear on the forehead. But this says to wear leather cubes containing scriptural texts inscribed on parchment on the head literally. Thiswas not the command of God: DEU 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. Jesus strongly rebuked those whowore such tokensfor show, saying, "..all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues..." (Matthew 23:1-3,5-6 KJV) Jesus warned about the dangers of replacing God's Law, or attempting to obey God's Law with one's own laws and traditions, saying, "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honourethme with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men ... Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." (Matthew 15:8-9,13 KJV) Jesus obeyed the law perfectly in every way, and was the perfect sacrifice. He did not wear such physical things as an example to us. He lived our example in thought and deed. His life demonstrates what the commandment of Deut. 6:8 means. Marlin - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 6:09 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands C'mon, Marlin, you're nit picking here. Accuracy is not necessary when there are a lot of different ways to translate a passage. As far as#1, the first commandment IS to know God. You just have a different perspective on it. #2 is just another way of looking at Ex 20.3 #3 is not a dogmatic statement in Hebrew. Where is the verb after HEARO Israel??? Find it and perhaps you'll understand. These are not newly invented commands. They are synopses of Scripture. If the author had placed the whole translated passage I get the sense you'd still find fault with it because the rendering doesn't fit with your personal favorite translation. It's all Scripture. Not a SINGLE ONE originates outside Scripture. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Marlin HalversonSent: Saturday, 06 November, 2004 16.29To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands Let us start with number 1: 1 To know there is a God, EXO 20:2 I Now the scripture merely makes a statement, not a command, "To know...". EXO 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Now, number 2: 2 Not to entertain thoughts of other gods besides Him, EXO 20:3 The scripture clearly says not to "have other Gods...," but Judaism says not to "entertain thoughts of other gods...". This is not accurate. EXO 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Number 3: 3 To know that He is one Deut. 6:4 The scripture merely makes a declaration here. DEU 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD: number 4: 4 To love Him Deut. 6:5 This is an abbreviated summary of the command to love God three ways. We havethe firstcommand ofJudaismthat resembles a direct command inthe scripture. DEU 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and withall thy soul, and with all thy might. I could go on. The point is that there areplenty of beautiful commands clearly in the scripture. It is not necessary to invent new commands that may be obliquely related to ideas expressed in the scripture as Judaism has done. The commands of God are not the commands of Judaism. Marlin - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL
Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands
Let us start with number 1: 1 To know there is a God, EXO 20:2 I Now the scripture merely makes a statement, not a command, "To know...". EXO 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Now, number 2: 2 Not to entertain thoughts of other gods besides Him, EXO 20:3 The scripture clearly says not to "have other Gods...," but Judaism says not to "entertain thoughts of other gods...". This is not accurate. EXO 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Number 3: 3 To know that He is one Deut. 6:4 The scripture merely makes a declaration here. DEU 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD: number 4: 4 To love Him Deut. 6:5 This is an abbreviated summary of the command to love God three ways. We havethe firstcommand ofJudaismthat resembles a direct command inthe scripture. DEU 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and withall thy soul, and with all thy might. I could go on. The point is that there areplenty of beautiful commands clearly in the scripture. It is not necessary to invent new commands that may be obliquely related to ideas expressed in the scripture as Judaism has done. The commands of God are not the commands of Judaism. Marlin - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:02 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands Thank you for your post, Marlin. Now, if you'd be so kind, please return to that list athttp://www.aish.com/literacy/mitzvahs/The_613_Commandments.asp and please list me the commands that are NOT found in Scripture. When you find this exercise fruitless, please understand that several commands are REPEATED... easily explaining this 659 number. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Marlin HalversonSent: Friday, 05 November, 2004 22.44To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands Dear friends, I was set straight about "the 613 commandments" by a friend and brother. He sent me this link and admonition: http://www.aish.com/literacy/mitzvahs/The_613_Commandments.asp The trappings of Judaism are a poor substitute for having the indwelling of God's spirit and being cleansed by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I thought that the 613 commandments had been derived from the scriptures alone. This is because a friend of mine had faithfully identified 659 identifiable commands from the scripture before, and later revised his study to identify many more. I hadassumed that Jewish practitioners hadgone through a similar faithful study to arrive at their number. When I saw the list posted at the above site, I found that some were and many were not derived out of the scripture. The 613 laws of Judaism contain some laws summarized from the scriptures, but many of their laws are merely Jewish traditions that use some scriptural reference that may be somewhat related to the idea, but are not laws recorded in the scripture. According to one source, Judaism has 2800 other rules. I wanted to let you know that I was wrong when I thought the so called "613 commandments" were from the scripture. Some are, but others are not. Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:24 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands Hi Judy: 613 commands in the Torah, yes. Directly from God, not man. Why? Because God says Be Holy,because I AM holy. This isHOW a holy, set-apart people live. This is how you deal with this, this is how you deal with that. God has a whole system of government set up. Gee, too bad we didn't follow it in the first place. Maybe then our courts wouldn't be as messed up as they are. I don't understand WHY people freak out over 613 commands. They're reiterated in the newer Testament. In fact, the newer Testament contains 1,050 commands! Yeshua made the commands fuller, harder even. Yes, there are 613 commands. However, YOU don't have to follow each of them. There are commands for men, which you're not a man, sothey don't apply. Iknow you're not a Levitical priest, so, whack away a whole SLEW of the 613. Let's see...how about instructions (law) for you in particular since you're a woman.Not to get personal, butI believe you're an older woman, correct? Well, then you can knock out the laws for Niddah (the monthly cycle) as well as the child bearing laws. When you were raising your children, didn't you
Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands
Dear friends, I was set straight about "the 613 commandments" by a friend and brother. He sent me this link and admonition: http://www.aish.com/literacy/mitzvahs/The_613_Commandments.asp The trappings of Judaism are a poor substitute for having the indwelling of God's spirit and being cleansed by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I thought that the 613 commandments had been derived from the scriptures alone. This is because a friend of mine had faithfully identified 659 identifiable commands from the scripture before, and later revised his study to identify many more. I hadassumed that Jewish practitioners hadgone through a similar faithful study to arrive at their number. When I saw the list posted at the above site, I found that some were and many were not derived out of the scripture. The 613 laws of Judaism contain some laws summarized from the scriptures, but many of their laws are merely Jewish traditions that use some scriptural reference that may be somewhat related to the idea, but are not laws recorded in the scripture. According to one source, Judaism has 2800 other rules. I wanted to let you know that I was wrong when I thought the so called "613 commandments" were from the scripture. Some are, but others are not. Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:24 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands Hi Judy: 613 commands in the Torah, yes. Directly from God, not man. Why? Because God says Be Holy,because I AM holy. This isHOW a holy, set-apart people live. This is how you deal with this, this is how you deal with that. God has a whole system of government set up. Gee, too bad we didn't follow it in the first place. Maybe then our courts wouldn't be as messed up as they are. I don't understand WHY people freak out over 613 commands. They're reiterated in the newer Testament. In fact, the newer Testament contains 1,050 commands! Yeshua made the commands fuller, harder even. Yes, there are 613 commands. However, YOU don't have to follow each of them. There are commands for men, which you're not a man, sothey don't apply. Iknow you're not a Levitical priest, so, whack away a whole SLEW of the 613. Let's see...how about instructions (law) for you in particular since you're a woman.Not to get personal, butI believe you're an older woman, correct? Well, then you can knock out the laws for Niddah (the monthly cycle) as well as the child bearing laws. When you were raising your children, didn't you have House Rules? Why did you give the Rules of the House to your children? To keep them safe? To keep order? To protect? God did the same thing for us. He's a loving Father who wants to keep His children safe and holy. Did you ever give your children a rule that they didn't understand? You knew the reasoning behind it and it was probably a good reason. God does the same thing. Every single one of the 613 fall under TWO categories. Every single law of the 613 have to do with either A. Loving God, or B. Loving your Neighbor. Funny, our house rules are just like that. I bet yours were, too. Kabbalah is something different, Judy. It's a much deeper spiritual application. I would not suggest reading it. There are also two different types of Kabbalah. God Himself says the laws He gives are "not far from you". It is NOT impossible. Maybe we should list all the laws and see exactly how many apply. Would that help? Being worn out due to learning a new one every day is something Paul was attempting for others coming in. It's what he speaks of in Acts...Kay's paraphrase Paul and the Council: Okay, we've got to DO something with these people coming in. We can't fellowship with them. They can't come into the sanctuary. In order to be able to do that...we have to give them these fourrulesdon't fornicate, don't eat strangled foods, don't worship other idolsthey'll be coming to the synagogue every Shabbat. They'll be hearing the Torah when they come each week. It takes us three years to read the whole Torah. They can handle little bits of it each week. They'll learn. Slow, but sure, they'll build up and they'll learn. That's what we can do with them! Wow, we solved our problem! I've got lots of people in for the weekend. I won't be on much. Shall we look at ALL the laws and see what they are about? See which ones apply and then maybe we'll have a good number? Maybe after that, we should check out the 1050 in the Newer Testament and compare when we're done with that. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Thursday, 28 October, 2004 06.57To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re:
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview What am I missing here??? Izzy There were at least two other buildings that were demolished and the media did not draw attention to it. I never knew about these until I searched these sites and viewed the photographs again. The airplanes could not have done this, let alone the damage attributed to them in the twin towers. Check out the videos and studies posted at the sites. Take another look at the evidence. There is a great deal missing from 'official' reports. You just might be disillusioned. Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Marlin, Wouldnt you think that two collapsing buildings the size of the WTC would set off a lot of explosions (gas, etc.) in the process? Wouldnt it feel like an earthquake? What am I missing here??? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin HalversonSent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:44 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Not all that seems true is true. --Marlin Evidence of Controlled Demolitionby: Geronimo Jones 9-11, THE EXPLOSIVE TRUTH REVEALED It was a picture perfect day in September. I was watering some plants on my terrace and enjoying the unseasonably warm weather when I heard the sound of a plane flying low. Within seconds I watched in horror as the unthinkable unfolded, right in my backyard! The shock was overwhelming. My first thoughts was that it was a terrorist attack. This was confirmed by the news reports of Al Qaeda. But one thing the reporters left out was something I witnessed first hand. A very important omission at that! Seconds before the South Tower crumbled to its doom, I heard/felt a series of explosions. Same with the North Tower. There was no denying it, I could FEEL the vibrations of them like a small earthquake. Yet when I turned on the news none of the other eyewitnesses commented on this. Indeed, in the days that followed, like many Americans, I remained glued to the news networks to keep myself informed of any developments and confirm what I had witnessed. But despite the numerous eyewitness accounts, there was still no mention of the explosions. I decided to examine the evidence for myself http://letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html The foundations were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were 4 inches thick. This is where clean-up crew discovered hot spots of "literally molten steel" more than a month after the collapse. Such persistent and intense residual heat, 70 feet below the surface, required the help of a professional. A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) who arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. "Yes," he said, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These incredibly hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels," Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. What could have caused those box columns of 4-inch thick steel to melt like this?
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview Not all that seems true is true. --Marlin Evidence of Controlled Demolitionby: Geronimo Jones 9-11, THE EXPLOSIVE TRUTH REVEALED It was a picture perfect day in September. I was watering some plants on my terrace and enjoying the unseasonably warm weather when I heard the sound of a plane flying low. Within seconds I watched in horror as the unthinkable unfolded, right in my backyard! The shock was overwhelming. My first thoughts was that it was a terrorist attack. This was confirmed by the news reports of Al Qaeda. But one thing the reporters left out was something I witnessed first hand. A very important omission at that! Seconds before the South Tower crumbled to its doom, I heard/felt a series of explosions. Same with the North Tower. There was no denying it, I could FEEL the vibrations of them like a small earthquake. Yet when I turned on the news none of the other eyewitnesses commented on this. Indeed, in the days that followed, like many Americans, I remained glued to the news networks to keep myself informed of any developments and confirm what I had witnessed. But despite the numerous eyewitness accounts, there was still no mention of the explosions. I decided to examine the evidence for myself http://letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html The foundations were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were 4 inches thick. This is where clean-up crew discovered hot spots of "literally molten steel" more than a month after the collapse. Such persistent and intense residual heat, 70 feet below the surface, required the help of a professional. A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) who arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. "Yes," he said, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These incredibly hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels," Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. What could have caused those box columns of 4-inch thick steel to melt like this?
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview What about those cell phone calls from the planes that crashed on 9/11? "American Airlines, Qualcom 'Finally Develop' brand new Technology which should allow passengers to use cell phone as early as 2006!" http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?p=23188#23188
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview Thank you for the link. I never knew about the destruction of WTC-7. I played the NBC and CBS videos posted on http://www.wtc7.net/. No plane hit WTC-7. To "pull" off a demolition of that magnitude, therehad to be a great amount of planning in advance. I also did not know about the gag order placed upon Sibel Edmonds. --Marlin - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 16:16 Subject: 9/11 overview Interesting article covering an overview of 9/11 conspiracy, now referred to as the 9/11 Truth Movement. http://www.guerrillanews.com/intelligence/doc5233.html www.guerrillanews.com is actually a pretty good site overall and one I visit 4 or 5 times a week. Others that are worth while looking/wasting your time at: www.buzzflash.com www.propagandamatrix.com www.whatreallyhappened.com Jonathan Hughes Supervisor of Application Support Kingsway Financial 905-629-7888 x. 2471 This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above.Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents sy rattachant contiennent de linformation confidentielle et privilgie. Si vous ntes pas le destinataire vis, s.v.p. en informer immdiatement son expditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et dtruire toute copie (lectronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire vis est interdite et peut tre illgale. Merci de votre coopration relativement au message susmentionn.
Re: [TruthTalk] Osama at the Pearly Gates
I find it interesting that our country trainedthis man to do what he does. --Marlin From the October 2001 Idaho Observer: Osama bin CIA? by Hari Heath "As our nation rallies to condemn our latest made for TV enemy, the terrorist Osama bin Laden, do we really know who this guy is? In 1986, he helped build the Khost tunnel complex, that the CIA was funding as a major arms storage depot, training facility and medical center for the Mujaheddin, deep under the mountains close to the Pakistan border. For the first time in Khost he set up his own training camp for Arab Afghans, who now increasingly saw this lanky, wealthy and charismatic Saudi as their leader. " http://proliberty.com/observer/20011005.htm
Re: [TruthTalk] Unchanged Week With Sabbath
The author of the study is unknown. But the author of the creation created a cycle of seven days that is common throughout the earth. It isa blessing thatI appreciate. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unchanged Week With Sabbath Looks like you did a really detailed study Marlin. What's your point? :-)TerryMarlin halverson wrote: Unchanged Week With Sabbath Old resource-Author unknown Showing the UNCHANGED ORDER of the Days and the true Position of the SABBATH, as proved by the combined testimony of Ancient and Modern Languages. No. LANGUAGE (Where Spoken, Read, or Otherwise Used) 1, 2, 3,4, 5, 6, Name of the SEVENTH DAY 1 Shemitic Hebrew Bible world-wide Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath 2 Hebrew (Ancient and Modern) One into the Sabbath, Second into the Sabbath, Third into the Sabbath, Fourth into the Sabbath, Fifth into the Sabbath, Eve of Holy Sabbath, Shab-bath - Sabbath 3 Targum of Onkelos (Hebrew Literature) Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath 4 Targum Dialect of the Jews in Kurdistan Day One of the Seven, Day 2nd of the Seven, Day 3rd of the Seven, Day 4th of the Seven, Day 5th of the Seven, Day of Eve(of Sabbath), yoy-met sha-bat kodesh - Holy Sabbath Day 5 Ancient Syriac *Each day proceeds on, and belongs to the Sabbath One into Sabbath, Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, Five into Sabbath, Eve(of Sabbath), Shab-ba-tho - Sabbath 6 Chaldee Syriac Kurdistan and Urdmia, Persia One into Sabbath, Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, Five into Sabbath, Eve (of Sabbath), Shap-ta - Sabbath 7 Samaritan (Old Hebrew Letters) Nablus, Palestine Day One Day, Second Day, Third Day, Fourth Day, Fifth Day, Sixth, Shab-bath -Sabbath 8 Babylonian Euphrates Tigris Valleys Mesopotamia (Written lang. 3800 B.C.) First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Sa-ba-tu - Sabbath 9 Assyrian Euphrates and Tigris Valleys, Mesopotamia First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, sa-ba-tu - Sabbath 10 Arabic (Very old names) Business Day, Light, Moon, War, Chief Turning Day or Midweek, Familiar or Society Day, Eve (of Sabbath), Shi-yar Chief or Rejoicing Day 11 Arabic (Ancient and Modern) Westn. Asia, E,W N. Africa The One, The Two, The Three, The Four ,The Fifth, Assembly (day, Muham), as-sabt -The Sabbath 12 Maltese, Malta One (day), Two (and day), The 3 (3rd d.), The 4 (4th d.), Fifth (day), Assembly, Is-sibt -The Sabbath 13 Ge-ez or Ethiopic Abyssinia (Ge-ez signifies "original") One (day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 14 Tigre Abyssinia (Closely related to Ge-ez) One (First day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 15 Amharic, Abyssinia (Nearly related to Ge-ez) One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 16 Falasha (Language of the Jews of Abyssinia) One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, yini sanbat The Sabbath 17 Coptic / Egypt (A dead lang. for 200 years) The First Day, The 2nd Day, The 3rd Day, The 4th Day, The 5th Day, The 6th Day, pi sabbaton -The Sabbath 18 Orma or Galla South of Abyssinia (This language has two sets of names, the first being the oldest) Lady, Virgin Mary Day. Great or Festival Sabbath Second day. First Trade Day 3rd Day to the Sabbath. Second Trade Day 4th day to the Sabbath. Fourth (day), Fifth (day), Assembly (day), Last day of the half-week inclusive of 4th day. Little or Humble or Solemn Sabbath (A day of no ceremonial display and no work) 19 Tamashek or Towarek. (From ancient Lybian or Numidian). Atlas Mountains, Africa. First day, Second day, Third day, Fourth day, Fifth day, Assembly Day, a-hal es-sabt. -The Sabbath Day 20 Kabyle or Berber. (Ancient Numidian) North Africa Day the One (First) Day, the Two (2nd) Day, the Three (3rd) Day, the Four (4th) Day, the Fifth, The Assembly Day, ghas or wars assebt -The Sabbath Day 21 Hausa Central Africa) The One (1st), The Two (2nd), The Three (3rd), The Four (4th), The Fifth, The Assembly, assebatu -The Sabbath 22 Urdu or Hindustani (Muhammadan and Hindu, India) (Two names for the days) One to Sabbath. Sunday, 2nd to Sabbath. Moon-day, 3rd to Sabbath, Mars 4th to Sabbath, Mercury 5th to Sabbath, (Eve of Juma) Assembly (day), sanichar - Saturn shamba - Sabbath 23 Pashto or Afghan Afghanistan One to the Sabbath ,Two
[TruthTalk] Unchanged Week With Sabbath
Unchanged Week With Sabbath Old resource-Author unknown Shewing the UNCHANGED ORDER of the Days and the true Position of the SABBATH, as proved by the combined testimony of Ancient and Modern Languages. No. LANGUAGE (Where Spoken, Read, or Otherwise Used) 1, 2, 3,4, 5, 6, Name of the SEVENTH DAY 1 Shemitic Hebrew Bible world-wide Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath 2 Hebrew (Ancient and Modern) One into the Sabbath, Second into the Sabbath, Third into the Sabbath, Fourth into the Sabbath, Fifth into the Sabbath, Eve of Holy Sabbath, Shab-bath - Sabbath 3 Targum of Onkelos (Hebrew Literature) Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath 4 Targum Dialect of the Jews in Kurdistan Day One of the Seven, Day 2nd of the Seven, Day 3rd of the Seven, Day 4th of the Seven, Day 5th of the Seven, Day of Eve(of Sabbath), yoy-met sha-bat kodesh - Holy Sabbath Day 5 Ancient Syriac *Each day proceeds on, and belongs to the Sabbath One into Sabbath, Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, Five into Sabbath, Eve(of Sabbath), Shab-ba-tho - Sabbath 6 Chaldee Syriac Kurdistan and Urdmia, Persia One into Sabbath, Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, Five into Sabbath, Eve (of Sabbath), Shap-ta - Sabbath 7 Samaritan (Old Hebrew Letters) Nablus, Palestine Day One Day, Second Day, Third Day, Fourth Day, Fifth Day, Sixth, Shab-bath -Sabbath 8 Babylonian Euphrates Tigris Valleys Mesopotamia (Written lang. 3800 B.C.) First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Sa-ba-tu - Sabbath 9 Assyrian Euphrates and Tigris Valleys, Mesopotamia First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, sa-ba-tu - Sabbath 10 Arabic (Very old names) Business Day, Light, Moon, War, Chief Turning Day or Midweek, Familiar or Society Day, Eve (of Sabbath), Shi-yar Chief or Rejoicing Day 11 Arabic (Ancient and Modern) Westn. Asia, E,W N. Africa The One, The Two, The Three, The Four ,The Fifth, Assembly (day, Muham), as-sabt -The Sabbath 12 Maltese, Malta One (day), Two (and day), The 3 (3rd d.), The 4 (4th d.), Fifth (day), Assembly, Is-sibt -The Sabbath 13 Ge-ez or Ethiopic Abyssinia (Ge-ez signifies "original") One (day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 14 Tigre Abyssinia (Closely related to Ge-ez) One (First day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 15 Amharic, Abyssinia (Nearly related to Ge-ez) One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 16 Falasha (Language of the Jews of Abyssinia) One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, yini sanbat The Sabbath 17 Coptic / Egypt (A dead lang. for 200 years) The First Day, The 2nd Day, The 3rd Day, The 4th Day, The 5th Day, The 6th Day, pi sabbaton -The Sabbath 18 Orma or Galla South of Abyssinia (This language has two sets of names, the first being the oldest) Lady, Virgin Mary Day. Great or Festival Sabbath Second day. First Trade Day 3rd Day to the Sabbath. Second Trade Day 4th day to the Sabbath. Fourth (day), Fifth (day), Assembly (day), Last day of the half-week inclusive of 4th day. Little or Humble or Solemn Sabbath (A day of no ceremonial display and no work) 19 Tamashek or Towarek. (From ancient Lybian or Numidian). Atlas Mountains, Africa. First day, Second day, Third day, Fourth day, Fifth day, Assembly Day, a-hal es-sabt. -The Sabbath Day 20 Kabyle or Berber. (Ancient Numidian) North Africa Day the One (First) Day, the Two (2nd) Day, the Three (3rd) Day, the Four (4th) Day, the Fifth, The Assembly Day, ghas or wars assebt -The Sabbath Day 21 Hausa Central Africa) The One (1st), The Two (2nd), The Three (3rd), The Four (4th), The Fifth, The Assembly, assebatu -The Sabbath 22 Urdu or Hindustani (Muhammadan and Hindu, India) (Two names for the days) One to Sabbath. Sunday, 2nd to Sabbath. Moon-day, 3rd to Sabbath, Mars 4th to Sabbath, Mercury 5th to Sabbath, (Eve of Juma) Assembly (day), sanichar - Saturn shamba - Sabbath 23 Pashto or Afghan Afghanistan One to the Sabbath ,Two to Sabbath, Three to Sabbath, Four to Sabbath, Five to Sabbath, Assembly (day), khali Unemployed-day, Shamba - Sabbath
[TruthTalk] Land of the Free
"Land of the FreeJust some interesting factoids here: In 1923 there were only 61 prisons in the entire United States. Today, there are literally thousands. In many states upto as much as 30--78 percent of the counties have at least one prison. I read an article by Paul Craig Roberts on America and its prisons. I quote a small portion here: "The US has a unique distinction: It is the worlds greatest prison state. The US, "the land of the free," has the biggest prison population in the world and the highest rate of prisoners per capita of all countries including countries that President Bush believes need liberating by US armed forces. Even China, with one party rule and a population that is 4.5 times larger than the US population, has 30% fewer total prisoners than the US. Chinas per capita rate is a small fraction of the US rate. The US prison population per capita is three times higher than "axis of evil" country Iran, five times higher than Tanzania, and seven times higher than a civilized European country like Germany. One out of every 142 Americans is in prison and this does not include military prisons or INS jails. ... Between 1980 and 2000, a period during which the US population grew by 21%, the number of state and federal inmates soared by 312%." http://www.truthontheweb.org /NwsClpz/051504.html
RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
From Marlin: I think that the word "denomination" applies to the group. But this is not a compliment. I prefer home churches and being led directly of God, rather than by a hierarchy of human leaders. I am responsible for my own actions before God, not any leader other than God can give me salvation. But there are some things that a cooperating organized group can do that smaller groups cannot for outreaches and teaching. There are good works that larger groups can do. This site has some level-headedness about the use of their fallible leader in the past. Many SDAs elevate her writings to the level of scripture, unable to see the differences. They observe humanideas about spices, alcohol, music, vegetarianism, no vinegar, and coffee is bad while chocolate is okay. Few of them ask why, and conservatives look for evidence to prove that Ellen was right with scholarly dissertations. http://www.capitalmemorial.org/egwonegw.htm Ellen G. Whites Counsel on the Use ofHer Writings With Respect to the Bible Note: Ellen G. White claimed her writings to be the lesser light to lead us to the Bible, the greater light. Little heed is given to the Bible, and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light. (Colporteur Evangelism, p. 37) When we fail in this objective and make the Spirit of Prophecy the final word, we do a great injustice to the church and Ellen G. White and rightfully deserve to be called a cult! [followed by several quotes.] - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists The website looks very interesting,Marlin. Its good to know the background on SDAs. Its always good to hear from you. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin halversonSent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists My computer was attacked by that sasser virus and I missed a bunch of mail, gone forever because of hotmail account limitations. Regarding the SDAs. I have been fellowshipping among them for a couple of years now as a guest. There are wonderful people there. The group as a whole is healthy enough to assimilate some diversity without crumbling. I have decided to put some space between them and myself and family for a time. A conflict arose over appropriate forms of music and I do not want to be the one telling them what is right more than I have already done. There are conservative views that date back to the thoughts of Ellen White that are not even part of some of the official guidelines, guidelines currently under revision. The following web site is helpful for an insight into past developments that have led up to current stands. Conflicts can arise from unstated beliefs that are passed down through generations of members. http://www.isitso.org/guide/sda.html Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Good attitude, John. Ive not looked into Adventists because Ive had friends in the past warn me against it, and I dont think my husband would be interested, as he loves our non-D church. But Ive read some very favorable things about how healthy they are due to their beliefs in keeping OT dietary laws. Are you Adventist? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:02 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Just to clarify:The Adventist church in most communities I am aware of, is accepted by most of the other churches as part of the larger Christian community. One of the local radio stations is a Christian music station run by the Adventist church. It features announcements from all Christian churches, and has advertisement from across the board. In time, it's doctrine of exclusion will be completely gone. The folks I know are great people, claiming the name of Jesus. I am not aware that correct doctrinal thinking is a requirement for salvation. Community among believers is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged. Many in TT share this sense of community. Peace outJohn Smithson
Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
From Marlin: I think that the word "denomination" applies to the group. But this is not a compliment. I prefer home churches and being led directly of God, rather than by a hierarchy of human leaders. I am responsible for my own actions before God, not any leader other than God can give me salvation. But there are some things that a cooperating organized group can do that smaller groups cannot for outreaches and teaching. There are good works that larger groups can do. This site has some level-headedness about the use of their fallible leader in the past. Many SDAs elevate her writings to the level of scripture, unable to see the differences. They observe humanideas about spices, alcohol, music, vegetarianism, no vinegar, and coffee is bad while chocolate is okay. Few of them ask why, and conservatives look for evidence to prove that Ellen was right with scholarly dissertations. http://www.capitalmemorial.org/egwonegw.htm Ellen G. Whites Counsel on the Use ofHer Writings With Respect to the Bible Note: Ellen G. White claimed her writings to be the lesser light to lead us to the Bible, the greater light. Little heed is given to the Bible, and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light. (Colporteur Evangelism, p. 37) When we fail in this objective and make the Spirit of Prophecy the final word, we do a great injustice to the church and Ellen G. White and rightfully deserve to be called a cult! [followed by several quotes.] - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists The website looks very interesting,Marlin. Its good to know the background on SDAs. Its always good to hear from you. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin halversonSent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists My computer was attacked by that sasser virus and I missed a bunch of mail, gone forever because of hotmail account limitations. Regarding the SDAs. I have been fellowshipping among them for a couple of years now as a guest. There are wonderful people there. The group as a whole is healthy enough to assimilate some diversity without crumbling. I have decided to put some space between them and myself and family for a time. A conflict arose over appropriate forms of music and I do not want to be the one telling them what is right more than I have already done. There are conservative views that date back to the thoughts of Ellen White that are not even part of some of the official guidelines, guidelines currently under revision. The following web site is helpful for an insight into past developments that have led up to current stands. Conflicts can arise from unstated beliefs that are passed down through generations of members. http://www.isitso.org/guide/sda.html Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Good attitude, John. Ive not looked into Adventists because Ive had friends in the past warn me against it, and I dont think my husband would be interested, as he loves our non-D church. But Ive read some very favorable things about how healthy they are due to their beliefs in keeping OT dietary laws. Are you Adventist? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:02 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Just to clarify:The Adventist church in most communities I am aware of, is accepted by most of the other churches as part of the larger Christian community. One of the local radio stations is a Christian music station run by the Adventist church. It features announcements from all Christian churches, and has advertisement from across the board. In time, it's doctrine of exclusion will be completely gone. The folks I know are great people, claiming the name of Jesus. I am not aware that correct doctrinal thinking is a requirement for salvation. Community among believers is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged. Many in TT share this sense of community. Peace outJohn Smithson
Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
My computer was attacked by that sasser virus and I missed a bunch of mail, gone forever because of hotmail account limitations. Regarding the SDAs. I have been fellowshipping among them for a couple of years now as a guest. There are wonderful people there. The group as a whole is healthy enough to assimilate some diversity without crumbling. I have decided to put some space between them and myself and family for a time. A conflict arose over appropriate forms of music and I do not want to be the one telling them what is right more than I have already done. There are conservative views that date back to the thoughts of Ellen White that are not even part of some of the official guidelines, guidelines currently under revision. The following web site is helpful for an insight into past developments that have led up to current stands. Conflicts can arise from unstated beliefs that are passed down through generations of members. http://www.isitso.org/guide/sda.html Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Good attitude, John. Ive not looked into Adventists because Ive had friends in the past warn me against it, and I dont think my husband would be interested, as he loves our non-D church. But Ive read some very favorable things about how healthy they are due to their beliefs in keeping OT dietary laws. Are you Adventist? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:02 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Just to clarify:The Adventist church in most communities I am aware of, is accepted by most of the other churches as part of the larger Christian community. One of the local radio stations is a Christian music station run by the Adventist church. It features announcements from all Christian churches, and has advertisement from across the board. In time, it's doctrine of exclusion will be completely gone. The folks I know are great people, claiming the name of Jesus. I am not aware that correct doctrinal thinking is a requirement for salvation. Community among believers is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged. Many in TT share this sense of community. Peace outJohn Smithson
[TruthTalk] Illinois Apologizes to Mormons
Illinois Apologizes to MormonsA delegation of Illinois officials, led by Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn, traveled to Utah to express official regret for the 1844 murder of Joseph Smith Jr., the founder of the Mormon church, and the expulsion of Mormons from Illinois. The Illinois House approved a resolution, a week prior, expressing the regret and Quinns delegation carried that message to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. An AP story quoted Quinn, "The people of Illinois are tolerant. They believe in religious freedom, and they are people of many faiths. If there have been wrongs, we should right them.'' Illinois is home to some 51,000 Mormons -[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
All right. A "child prodigy" must mean something to you that it does not mean in the field of education. These have obviously become"buzzwords" to describe something that you are seeing in the circles that I do notfrequent. As for me, I have had the blessing of both teaching and learning from my children. They know and love God. They have personal relationships with the Father and His Son. In some ways they can be smarter than I because they have gifts that I do not have. For instance, I taught them music. I cannot play piano, except slowly to plunk out parts and harmonies. My children, on the other hand are gifted and they can move an audience in worship to God with their playing of the instrument. Your blanket stipulation would preventGodly childrenfrom serving other brethren until they are age 30. I go along with Paul's admonition to Timothy: 2TI 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 1TI 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:51 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Children From: "Marlin Halverson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] jt: I've never stated that children could not be converted John, what I am saying is that child prophets and child prodigies are out of character for the ministry of God's Spirit in the Church.Children are not responsible for their own spiritual life under Judaism until they are at least 13yrs old and even Jesus who had a full measure of God's Spirit did nothing publicly before the age of 30yrs. When did things change? marlin: No change at all. Judaism is religion and tradition, not the word of God. jt: I meant Israel and they were God's Old Covenant Church; they are the ones who preserved God's Word for our present generation and yes I was aware of Samuel but he is the exception; God was upset and not speaking to Eli. Even so, we have no record that Samuel was a boy prodigy. Did he become the prophet before he was of age that you know of? The Word of God tells of Samuel long before Judaism developed. There were other children inspired of God in the scripture, even from the womb. Joseph, Samson, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, Jesus. jt: OK Joseph had a dream and his brothers tried to kill him over it. Still he waited a long time and was sorely tested before it came to fruition.The parents of Samson, John the Baptist, and Jesus were warned ahead of timethat these children would serve Godbut none of them to my knowledge were sent out as a child prodigy. Do you know of one who was? Even in the passages below Samuel as a child did not know who was speaking to him. Eli had to teach him. judyt
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
All this worry because I recounted the answered prayers of an innocent child. I continually askGod to pour out His spirit upon my children and to bless them. Why would I or my child receive a snake when we ask for a fish? Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? MAT 7:9-11 jt: "Children are free to serve in many ways, just not in positions of authority and I don't see any indication that the Holy Spirit uses them in the distribution of spiritual gifts"
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little girl prayed that God would let her have identical twin brothers. Her mother was not pregnant, was not planning to be pregnant, and there were not twins in the family. About a year later, the mother gave birth to identical twin boys. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Children [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little girl prayed that God would let her have identical twin brothers. Her mother was not pregnant, was not planning to be pregnant, and there were not twins in the family. About a year later, the mother gave birth to identical twin boys. jt: Marvin, did/do you believe that this prayer was motivated by the Spirit of God? Yes. Did your leadership have anything to say about it? Nothing was ever said. Are you sure this was not divination? It was a child's expectant prayer to God. Nothing more. Nothing less. Nobody made any big deal about it. We all just smiled and were happy for the family about their blessing. BTW was that the same Tim Stevenson or are there two of them? judyt What? Why are you asking me about this unfamiliar name out of the blue? -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
Oh. Yes. Somebody with that name claimed to be the author of the piece. I do not know anything about him. But you are welcome to do your own search to find out. I like to know the source of an article. BTW was that the same Tim Stevenson or are there two of them? judyt What?Why are you asking me about this unfamiliar name out of the blue? jt: Did I misunderstand or was it you who posted on TT that the "R" piece about the Passion Movie by Mel Gibson was written by one Tim Stevenson? This is the man I am referring to - I found one who is Canadian both religious and politician and also gay. Just wondering if it is the same person. judyt
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
The answered prayers of a child are cause to suspect demons? I think not. jt: Of course I can understand everyone being happy for the family but it's important that we understand God's ways because right now the Church is full of divination and nobody seems to know or care Some are closed to anything supernatural and the others are wide open to everything that comes along and looks good.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
The family members of those who are called, children and spouses, are sanctified by the believing family member. They are made clean and holy. Now, that woman in Texas who murdered her children and quoted scripture to justify her actions had a train of thought such as you have expressed. Her thinking was indeed inspired by the devil. (See Below) 1CO 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Children jt: Divination and deception are one and the same. Why just assume that demons will not work through a child? Everyone who comes into this world has a fallen Adamic nature and this includes every child. Usually it doesn't take long for it to express itself either. judyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] The answered prayers of a child are cause to suspect demons? I think not. jt: Of course I can understand everyone being happy for the family but it's important that we understand God's ways because right now the Church is full of divination and nobody seems to know or care Some are closed to anything supernatural and the others are wide open to everything that comes along and looks good. Mom says God told her to stone sons AP file photo Deanna Laney called 911 just after midnight on May 10 and told a dispatcher: "I've just killed my boys." Associated PressMar. 29, 2004 06:03 PM TYLER, Texas - A mother who bashed her sons' heads with heavy rocks, killing two of the boys, was so delusional she thought the Lord told her to do it, her attorney said Monday in opening statements at her murder trial."Does she follow what she believes to be God's will or does she turn her back on her God?" defense attorney F.R. "Buck" Files Jr. asked the jury of eight men and four women.Deanna Laney, a 39-year-old stay-at-home mother, has pleaded innocent by reason of insanity to charges of murdering 8-year-old Joshua and 6-year-old Luke and causing serious injury to Aaron, 14 months old at the time. Prosecutors are not seeking the death penalty.The deeply religious East Texas woman who home-schooled her children in the tiny town of New Chapel Hill, 100 miles southeast of Dallas, wept uncontrollably and shook her head, at times burying her face in a tissue, as she listened to testimony and prosecutors showed gruesome photographs of her slain children.Her husband, who has supported her, sat a few rows behind with friends and family.Prosecutors contend Laney knew right from wrong when she killed her children last Mother's Day weekend, despite opinions from two psychiatric experts for the defense, two for the prosecution and one for the judge - all of whom said Laney was legally insane."The issue of sanity is tried in the court, not the hospitals," District Attorney Matt Bingham told the jury.Prosecutors played a tape of a 911 call in which Laney, in her high, dainty voice, calmly told a dispatcher after midnight on May 10: "I just killed my boys." She also described the color of her house and directed authorities to her home."I just did what I had to do," she told the dispatcher.Later in the tape, she appeared to doubt whether she should have beaten the baby, saying, "I don't think I did right by Aaron." She later said, "I don't think I was supposed to kill him."In his opening statement, the district attorney told the jury: "The evidence will show you that the last thing Josh and Luke Laney ever saw was their mom with a rock over their head and the last thing they ever felt was that rock crashing over their head."Bingham said Laney attacked the baby first, hammering his head with a 41/2-pound rock she had hidden under his crib. When he began crying, Laney's husband, Keith, woke up and found his wife standing over the baby."Everything's OK," she told him.He assumed his wife was changing a diaper and went back to bed. Laney then struck the baby again, and after hearing a gurgling from the blood in Aaron's throat, she covered him with a pillow and left the room, Bingham said."Aaron Laney will never be the same," said Bingham, adding that the boy's vision has been impaired and he will never live independently.With Aaron's blood on her pajamas, Laney then woke up Luke, led him outside the family's rural brick home and asked him to put his head on a large rock, the prosecutor said."He does what his Mommy tells him," Bingham said.Laney smashed the 6-year-old's
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
I was beginning to worry about you.
I do not subscribe to the idea of children being born
evil. God said that what He created was "very good." It is our
influences and actions as we age that corrupts us. Jesus said that we need
the innocence of a child to receive the Kingdom of God.
LUK 18:17 {Verily I say unto you, Whosoever
shall not receive the kingdom
of God as
a little child shall in no wise enter therein.}
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The family members of those who are called, children and
spouses,
are sanctified by the believing family member.
They are made clean and holy.
jt: Sanctified in 1 Cor 7:14 means set
apart for God to work upon; the
ones who are in unbelief still need to
make their own committment; God does
not make ppl clean and holy by osmosis and
without their cooperation.
Now, that woman in Texas who murdered her children and
quoted scripture
to justify her actions had a train of thought such as
you have expressed. Her
thinking was indeed inspired by the devil.
(See http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0329ChildrenSlain29-ON.html)
jt: I agree because murder is never God's
plan, the woman was listening to the
father of lies who was a murderer
from the beginning. she hadreligious spirits
and sadly this is notunusual.
The mother in Houston who drowned her five
children was also a professing
believer; she and her husband were
fundamentalist Christians.
1CO 7:14 For the unbelieving husband
is sanctified by the wife, and
the
unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were
your
children unclean; but now are they holy.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
jt: I've never stated that children could not be converted John, what I am saying is that child prophets and child prodigies are out of character for the ministry of God's Spirit in the Church.Children are not responsible for their own spiritual life under Judaism until they are at least 13yrs old and even Jesus who had a full measure of God's Spirit did nothing publicly before the age of 30yrs. When did things change? judyt No change at all. Judaism is religion and tradition, not the word of God. The Word of God tells of Samuel long before Judaism developed. There were other children inspired of God in the scripture, even from the womb. Joseph, Samson, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, Jesus. 1SA 1:24 ¶ And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child [was] young. 1SA 3:9 Therefore Eli said unto Samuel, Go, lie down: and it shall be, if he call thee, that thou shalt say, Speak, LORD; for thy servant heareth. So Samuel went and lay down in his place.1SA 3:10 And the LORD came, and stood, and called as at other times, Samuel, Samuel. Then Samuel answered, Speak; for thy servant heareth.1SA 3:11 ¶ And the LORD said to Samuel, Behold, I will do a thing in Israel, at which both the ears of every one that heareth it shall tingle.
Re: [TruthTalk] What about this William Penn, Quaker writing?
Can you get a copy of the writings that you referred to and post them? - Original Message - From: Chris Barr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What about this William Penn, Quaker writing? \o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings Marlin et al in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! I, too, have had the privilege of knowing some Quakers through the years and becoming somewhat close to a few.
[TruthTalk] What about this William Penn, Quaker writing?
Dear participants on TruthTalk, I have the privelege of knowing some Quakers, some of my dearest freinds. They have done considerable study into the origins of their own faith. I asked them about what Chris Barr has said concerning Wiliam Penn's beliefs about "thetrinity,""oneness,"andPenn's other beliefs. Here is what they testify: - Original Message - Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 8:22 AM Subject: Re: What about this William Penn, Quaker writing? First of all, none but a handful of Quakers throughout history ever kept the Sabbath. I think today there are only two -- me and my wife. Second, William Penn, like all conservative Friends, did not hold to the trinity doctrine but believed that the Father God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has, and sent His son Jesus (Yeshua if you wish) to redeem mankind. Two distinct personalities. Two distinct persons (for lack of better terms) , one created by the other (in unknowable worlds before us) and one who calls the other "God." Ref John 20:17 No personage is given to the Spirit of God because it is a PART of God's makeup not God in whole. Jesus said in John 16:13-15, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."Clearly the Spirit is one of the things "God hath" or a power or manifestation of God but not wholly God Himself. The Spirit of God is the selfsame Spirit that is in you. God's Spirit -- in you -- just as it was in Christ. John 14:17-18, "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: [Here Jesus equates the Spirit with Himself] I will come to you."William Penn's Writing falls short of the oneness doctrine as much as it does the trinity doctrine. In reality the writing is somewhat a "hedged bet" (if the Quaker brethren will forgive me). He said that he was opposed to using the TERM "trinity" because it was not a word from Scripture. He called it a Schoolmen's term. He actually goes on to say that he believes in the "three that bear record in heaven" not knowing that the 1st John 5:7 Scripture was of dubious origin, for it had not yet been discovered missing in earlier transcripts.No, on the trinity William Penn, though he is a hero of mine offers little ammunition to dispel the false doctrine. But he offers less to anyone claiming that Yeshua and Yahweh are one and the same.I've told you before that the Internet is a cesspool of cowards who get a false sense of accomplishment by arguing points using trite sayings, cut and paste arguments, and electronic gimmickry and whether they win or lose their argument they do so with people who have no commitment to true discovery. All of their life they will stare into the "dark glass" of their computers and never face to face with flesh and blood. The chat room is the platform of cowards and the showplace of ignorance. "Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: (Computers) but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face..." 2 John 1:12Let me share with you the Scripture that we chose as the theme for the feast -- it seems appropriate:"As much as you can aim to know your neighbors and consult with the wise, Let your conversation be with intelligent people, and let all of your discussion be about the Law of the Most High."Sirach 9:14-15Don
Re: [TruthTalk] Rated R
RECENTLY HEARD ON THE MORNING LIGHT SHOW: Why The Passion of Christ is Rated R The R of course is because of the violence, the gore. In movie terms R stands for RESTRICTED, but in this movie R stands for RELEVANT, for REALISTIC, for it REALLY happened for a REASON because we were REBELLIOUS we needed a REDEEMER, we needed to be RECONCILED, we needed to be RECOVERED, we needed to be REGENERATED. Jesus needed to be REJECTED so that we could have a RELATIONSHIP not just a RELIGION. The R is to REMIND us to REMEMBER what Jesus did to REMOVE our sin to RENDER Satan powerless, to RESCUE us from eternity in hell. The R rating is to show that Jesus was RESPONSIBLE for giving you REST. As a RESULT of his death Jesus RETIRED your debt. The R rating means that some will be REPULSED, some will REFUSE to believe, some will be RELUCTANT, some will think you are RIDICULOUS in believing that a death was REQUIRED. The R rating means that the RESULT of sin has been REVERSED and now through faith in Christ your REWARD is eternity and you are now RIGHTEOUS before God because you have RECEIVED him as the RULER of your soul. What a REVOLUTIONARY and RADICAL solution to REDEEM mankind. -- Tim Stevenson, Senior Pastor Horizon Community Church Galt, California - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Rated R Thanks, but it was sent to me by a friend. I don't know who wrote it, as it wasn't attached. But it IS good preach'in! Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rated R Amen sister!!! Good preachin' Lance - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 02, 2004 11:40 Subject: [TruthTalk] Rated R The movie - the PASSION OF CHRIST is rated R: The R of course is because of the violence, the gore.. In movie terms R stands for RESTRICTED , but in this movie R stands for RELEVANT , for REALISTIC , for it REALLY happened for a REASON because we were REBELIOUS we needed a REDEEMER , we needed to be RECONCILED , we needed to be RECOVERED , we needed to be REGENERATED . Jesus needed to be REJECTED so that we could have a RELATIONSHIP not just a RELIGION . The R is to REMIND us to REMEMBER what Jesus did to REMOVE our sin to RENDER Satan powerless, to RESCUE us from eternity in hell. The R rating is to show that Jesus was RESPONSIBLE for giving you REST . As a RESULT of his death Jesus RETIRED your debt. The R rating means that some will be REPULSED , some will REFUSE to believe, some will be RELUCTANT , some will think you are RIDICULOUS in believing that a death was REQUIRED . The R rating means that the RESULT of sin has been REVERSED and now through faith in Christ your REWARD is eternity and you are now RIGHTEOUS before God because you have RECEIVED him as the RULER of your soul. What a REVOLUTIONARY and RADICAL solution to REDEEM mankind. REJOICE !!! He is RISEN! -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send
Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.
Who's next? Terry My family just spent the evening with other brethren singing praises to God. As far as mind games and endless argumentation, it never ends. I can easily get involved and say something if I feelled to do so. I love to enjoy the creation also. But, what is most important to my life is the relationship developing betweenmy family and God. We are applying his word in our lives to the best of our ability. I marvel at the way the holy spirit is leading my wife and children as we struggle together tomake ends meet. Tomorrow beginssix more days of hard work, growing beautiful plants and sending them to market. We sing together when we can. We need each other. --Marlin
Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI
I just wanted to say that I appreciate the things being shared. This thread of discourse is most revealing. There arethe originators of knowledge, those who experience or discover it first hand. And then there are the purveyors of knowledge, who pass along what others say without first hand, direct experience. Most of the "NEWS" we hear is from radio, TV, or printed reporting. In academics, there are those who repeat what they have been taught rather than what they have truly learned first hand. Many preachers/pastors behave like reporters and repeaters. The living Word of God, who nowcomes in the flesh through His people,indwells our lives gives us first hand experience as we exercise faith and trust in him for all things. There is a place for wells and a place for conduits. May God so richly bless you, --Marlin - Original Message - From: Wm. Taylor David M. and Izzy, I am sending a quote from Lesslie Newbigin."There isthought to be a kind of knowledge for which onedoes not have to depend on faith, and there is another kind which is only available by the exercise of faith."
Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI
Knowledge, truth or lie,comes from or through these means: Originate = To come or bring into being; begin Purvey = to supply (food, information, etc.), to furnish Disseminate = To scatter or spread widely Notice Paul's prophesy of these in the last days: "Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than loversof God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of thetruth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith." 2TIM 3:4-9 --Marlin - Original Message - From: Marlin Halverson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI I just wanted to say that I appreciate the things being shared. This thread of discourse is most revealing. There arethe originators of knowledge, those who experience or discover it first hand. And then there are the purveyors of knowledge, who pass along what others say without first hand, direct experience. Most of the "NEWS" we hear is from radio, TV, or printed reporting. In academics, there are those who repeat what they have been taught rather than what they have truly learned first hand. Many preachers/pastors behave like reporters and repeaters. The living Word of God, who nowcomes in the flesh through His people,indwells our lives gives us first hand experience as we exercise faith and trust in him for all things. There is a place for wells and a place for conduits. May God so richly bless you, --Marlin - Original Message - From: Wm. Taylor David M. and Izzy, I am sending a quote from Lesslie Newbigin."There isthought to be a kind of knowledge for which onedoes not have to depend on faith, and there is another kind which is only available by the exercise of faith."
[TruthTalk] What's in Vaccines?
What's in Vaccines? http://befreetech.com/vaccine_poisons.htm human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
[TruthTalk] Souls beheaded for the witness of Jesus
Muslims Hack CongregationAccording to the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) and Christian Solidarity Worldwide (CSW) on February 24th as many as 400 heavily armed Muslims, shouting the jihad cry of "Allah u Akhbar" (God is great), marched into a Christian morning prayer service in Yelwa, Nigeria, ordered the 48 member congregation to lie face down and proceeded "to machete and axe them to death in their house of worship." "I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God..."On The Net: http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/s04030033.htm
Re: [TruthTalk] An open question: What is the state of the dead?
- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] An open question Don't get me started on this, I do not have time for it now! Let the dead burry the dead. Marlin An open question to all TT'rs: Do you believe that upon our death we will remain, or will be immediately conscious, or do you believe that when we die we remain in a state of unconsciousness until some future time, possibly the resurrection, then we all become conscious at the same time, or near the same time? I am interested in hearing all opinions; Christian, LDS, Pagan (if TPW is still with us), and any others that may be lurking. I would also like to hear the reason for your belief. References would be helpful, too, if they helped you form your belief. Perry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] An open question
...or do you believe that when we die we remain in a state of unconsciousness until some future time... Perry All right. Sometimes, doesn't it seem that many of the 'living' 'live' in a state of unconsciousness? Consider the 'strong delusion' that is given over to men by God for those who 'love not the truth.' 2TH 2:11 Here we have the 'living' 'dead.' --Marlin -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] Mad Cow Disease
Dear Loved Ones: "Mad Cow Disease" is in the news again. I believe that Mark Purdey has discovered the answers surrounding this mysterious plague. Please visit the links to his site below and read what he has to say. If you love truth, I believe you will appreciate the work of this hero. Love, Marlin http://www.markpurdey.com/articles.htm http://www.markpurdey.com/index.html http://www.markpurdey.com/science_the_origins_of_bse.htm "Chernobyl and BSE ? But what about the more aggressive, new strain of TSE the massive epidemic of BSE/vCJD that suddenly blighted the UKs young cattle and human population post November 1986? Did this big time epidemic result from an overexposure to the artificial sources of the eco-prerequisites that we are talking about here? In this respect, it seems likely that the UKs BSE and vCJD epidemics were caused by the simultaneous exposure of cattle, cats, humans and zoo animals to a toxic combination of factors - the widely used copper-chelating organo dithiophosphate (OP) insecticides (35) and the fall out of radioactive metals from the Chernobyl eruption (20). During the 1980s British cattle herds and humans were exposed to exclusively high doses of these insecticides for warble fly and head lice control respectively (42), whereupon the prion proteins of the OP treated animals were starved of their copper co partners (35). This rendered the prion protein vulnerable to binding up with certain rogue replacement metals, such as the radioactive strontium 90, which were rained down at high concentrations onto the soils of NW Europe after the Chernobyl accident (20) the precise region that later became the worlds most intensive hotspot of BSE." "The so called infectivity of the prion is a misnomer and should be correctly defined as the magnetic/ reactive free radical generating capacity of the Mn3+ component of the prion; which remains active at all temperatures below the 550 degree curie point. TSE can be likened to a solar charged battery on continuous charge; where the Mn contaminated/Cu depleted circadian pathways absorb and pile up, rather than conducting the vital life force energies of incoming ultra violet, acoustic and geomagnetic radiation. Instead of harnessing these energies for the bodys own bio-rhythmic requirements, an infrasonic shock induced metamorphosis of the Mn atom intervenes ; initiating an explosive free radical mediated pathogenesis that perverts the healthy pathways of sound and light; Cu prions are replaced by hyperpolarized Mn prions that seed self perpetuating cluster bombs of radical mediated neurodegeneration. TSE ensues." - "An impartial study of the epidemiology of BSE/vCJD suggests that the conventional consensus on the origins of BSE/vCJD is severely flawed (4)(5)(6) for the following reasons; 1. BSE has failed to surface in the cattle populations of the Middle East, India, Africa, North America, Third World countries, etc, despite these countries receiving substantial tonnages of the BSE incriminated meat and bone meal (MBM) imported from the UK from the 1960s onwards (7). UK MBM was exported either in its straight feed form or as an inclusion in cattle concentrate feeds (7). 2. 40,000 + cases of BSE have erupted in UK cows that were born after the 1988 ban on MBM entering cattle feed, and more recently, 22 cases of BSE have erupted in cows born after the 1996 ban on MBM going into animal feeding stuffs designated for all types of domestic animal (8). Furthermore, some BSE endemic countrieshave experienced a greater total number of BSE cases in cattle born after their respective MBM bans than in cows born before. 3. There have been no reported cases of BSE in TSE susceptible species, such as sheep and goats (8), despite the customary inclusion of an MBM protein source in their concentrated feeds. 4. Four of the original five Kudu antelopes which contracted BSE at the London Zoo had no possible access to feeds containing MBM (9). 5. BSE erupted in four cattle that were raised on MAFFs former Liscombe experimental farm on Exmoor a beef suckler farm which was designed to raise beef from an all grass/silage system without any resort to purchased in concentrate feeds (personal communication; M. Stanbury, formerly ADAS, Quantock House, Taunton, UK.) 6. Alterations in the rendering of MBM (cessation of solvent extraction, lower temperatures) from the batch to the continuous flow system had purportedly enabled the survival of scrapie agent in UK MBM, thus initiating the outbreak of BSE (10). However several scrapie endemic countries, such as the USA and Scandinavia, had also adopted these same BSE-causing prerequisites into their
Re: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!!
Izzy: The best argument I've heard yet for Believers to NOT have a Christmas tree. Again, Gentiles who turned to God did not identify with their past heritage or ways. They repented: Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 1CO 12:2 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 2CO 6:16 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 1TH 1:9 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen. 1JO 5:21 --Marlin -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] flu shots
David: Exodus 15:26 says, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians. If God gives me such a promise, it would be nothing but doubt and unbelief for me to inject myself or my family with these same diseases with the idea that I am going to protect myself from them. Marlin: We agree on this! -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christmas trees
I did not write that, Izzy did. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christmas trees Marlin wrote: So, while I am not convinced that Christmas trees, or celebrating Christmas on Dec 25th for that matter, are pagan/sinful practices, I'm willing to hear Marlin out as often as he wants to discuss it. To me, it's one of those scripturally not-specifically-spelled-out situations. One problem is that Marlin, like many on this issue, does not discuss the matter. He simply states his position and lists all manner of links and the writings of others to make his case. The information he presents is full of holes, and when these problems were pointed out last year, there was little or no response. Now he presents the same old arguments all over again as if it has not already been discussed. He even presents the same Scriptures. If someone wants to discuss Christmas trees, that would be fine, but to just blast shotguns of information upon people who celebrate Christmas produces no good fruit as far as I can see. It seems to me that he just does not celebrate Christmas and has some kind of chip on his shoulder toward those who do. Maybe he is upset that Christmas is more celebrated in our culture than the Jewish moedim. This seems to be the same problem with those of us who give greater honor to observing the Lord's Day of resurrection rather than the Jewish Sabbath on Saturnday. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees
David M.: But what seems odd in what you wrote was that they would say that Jesusis the Christ, and then at the same time say that they are the Christ.The false Christs, the ones coming bearing his name as their own, do notsay that Jesus is the Christ, do they? Marlin: Yes there are two categories here. 1) Those saying that He is the Christ. Note the definite article "the," and what follows, the manydeceive many by saying He is the Christ. 2) False Christs. Note the plural nature of the word Christs. a) Some teach fake Christs instead of the real Christ, counterfeits that look like the genuine b) Somepersonify saviors,and "shew great signs and wonders," and get followings after themselves instead of leading others to the true Christ. This type of the false Christscould refer back to the many who deceive the many by saying He is the Christ. David M.: Clearly this Word was spoken to Israel concerning the heathen nationswhich cut down trees and built false gods out of them. This in no waycorresponds to Gentiles celebrating Christmas, the birth of JesusChrist. The similarity of trees being involved is no more compelling toyour argument than if they were building a house out of the trees andyou were against building houses out of trees. Marlin: You presume to be a Gentile. In the early Church, those Gentiles who turned to God did notidentify with their past heritage or ways. They repented. Notice: Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 1CO 12:2 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye arethe temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell inthem, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shallbe my people. 2CO 6:16 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 1TH 1:9 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen. 1JO 5:21 They turned from their idolatrous ways. David M.: But you make it sound like one substitutes Christmas for the Eucharist.That is not at all what happens. In fact, many churches celebrate theEucharist on Christmas Eve. They are not mutually exclusivecelebrations. I make no such sound. All those counterfiets are not the genuine truth. David M.: Hanukah was not a divinely commanded celebration. Marlin: True. It is not commanded. It is Jewish tradition. It is something foreign to me. David M.: What do you mean, "real remembrance" over a counterfeit? What is thereal remembrance of his birth? Do you or anybody else know?.Well then, tell us. What is the real remembrance of which you speak? Marlin: The real remembrance is in the holy days and Sabbaths that God commanded to be kept as memorials. These are the days that men reject infavor of fables. Notice: And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2TI 4:4 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. TIT 1:14 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 2PE 1:16
Re: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees
The song goes: Oh Christmas tree, oh Christmas tree,how lovely are thy branches ... Men seem to want to idolize the creation or themselves. This is the basis for everyholiday that men havedevised in opposition to the holy days and sabbaths that God created. God gives those who love not the truth over to strong delusion. [2TH 2:11] The biblical evidence clearly shows that Jesus was born in the Fall, not in the dead of winter. Furthermore,the celebration of birthdays is actually foreign to the people of God. The scripture shows that there would be false Christs,even those who claim that Jesus is the Christ, and yet would deceive many. John writes that "...no lie is of the truth." 1JO 2:21The truth cannot come out of a lie. It ought to be asked: "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator...?" ROM 1:25 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death. PRO 14:12 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death. PRO 16:25 John admonishes us: "Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." 1JO 5:21 For those who do not care for the truth: "Have yourself a Merry Little Christmas..." But the truth of God, both bitter and sweet, fulfills. With Jesus; the Truth, Way and Life; as our daily bread, our bread of life, we are promissed eternal life. That "evergreen tree" that you cut down for one holiday is going to die. Love, Marlin P.S.: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They [are] upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also [is it] in them to do good. Forasmuch as [there is] none like unto thee, O LORD; thou [art] great, and thy name [is] great in might. Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise [men] of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, [there is] none like unto thee. But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock [is] a doctrine of vanities. JER 10:2-8 - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees Laura, Can we hold off on the discussion of nativity sets until we have resolved this Christmas tree issue first? Do you really think that what is pagan for some may not be pagan for others??? Isnt this a classic example of humanistic moral relativism? The main question is not what someone feels is pagan. (God doesnt really care about our feelings when judgment day arrives, does He?) The question should be, I think, what does the Lord say is pagan? Can we discuss it from that angle? Ideas, anyone? How do we discover whether or not the Lord considers having a Christmas tree is an ungodly practice from the Lords point of view? Marlin has brought up this issue several times, and I think it would be a good thing to discuss as a group. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 11:50 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Fwd: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees Below is more from the site Marlin recommended. Note that it also mentions the fruitlike tree from the garden of Eden. Interesting that it is also mentioned in the article I posted. Personally I think that if someone feels a Christmas Tree is pagan and if it doesn't represent the "symbols" associated with Christmas then it is wrong for them to have a tree. I like the tree as a symbol and the lights and ornaments and other decorations. In no way am I intending to put down Marlin. My intent is only to point out that what is pagan for some may not be pagan for others. Question: Would any of you consider Nativity sets idols? Just curious. Laura During the Middle Ages, the Germans believed the evergreen trees were especially imbued with life since they remained green throughout all of winter. Greenery was prominent in pagan winter celebrations in honour of the tree spirit or spirit of fertility.The Romans trimmed the trees with trinkets and toys at that time of year. The Druids tied gilded apples to tree branches. For many, a tree decorated with orbs and fruit-like object symbolised the tree of life in the garden of Eden.
[TruthTalk] The X-Mas Files
If you want to remove the delusions of X-mas, check out Ken Hoeck's site: "...Well, its nearly that time of year when people will partake, mostly in ignorance, in the revelry of the ancient celebrations of the Saturnalia and Brumalia in what is today called Christmas. The ancient celebration of the return of the sun complete with the ancient pagan trappings and painted Christian veneer can be read about online at the following pages of notes quotes that we call - "The Truth On Christmas: The X-Mas Files":http://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol1.html : X-mas Files Volume Onehttp://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol2.html : X-mas Files Volume Twohttp://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol3.html : X-mas Files Volume Threehttp://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol4.html : X-mas Files Volume Fourhttp://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol5.html : X-mas Files Volume Five"
Re: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees
http://members.iinet.net.au/~gregga/hebrew/xmastree.html The Pagan Origin of The Christmas Tree The concept of the Christmas Tree originated around 3000 B.C. in ancient Egypt with King Osiris and Queen Isis.After the untimely death of King Osiris, his wife, Isis, propogated the demonic doctrine of the survival of Osiris as a spirit. She claimed a full grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead stump, symbolising the new life of the Osiris spirit from his death. On each anniversary of Osiris birth, which was the date we now know as December 25th, Isis would leave gifts around this tree. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees I remember last year we had a big thread about Christmas trees. I came across this while planning my calendar for Parents Day Out and thought it was interesting. Laura The tradition of decorating the Paradeisbaum, or Paradise trees, originated in Europe. Christians would celebrate the holiday on Christmas Eve by acting out important events in Scripture. One of the skits that was performed was the 'The Garden of Eden' scene. Since it was the wintertime in Europe it was not possible to find an apple tree with apples, so an evergreen tree would be substituted. The actors first hung apples on their "Paradise Trees", later adding other adornments such as dried fruits and nuts. The increase in popularity of the Paradeisbaum is attributed to Martin Luther. It is believed that he first added lighted candles to his Paradise Tree after walking home through the woods one winter evening. He was in the midst of composing a sermon and was awestruck by the brilliance of the millions of twinkling stars above the evergreens. So inspired by the beauty of God's creation, he cut down an evergreen and brought it home to his family, then wired lighted candles to the tree to recreate the starlit scene. Paradise trees eventually became known as 'Christ Trees', then Christmas Trees. It is believed that Christmas trees were brought to America by Germans that immigrated to Pennsylvania. The diary of Matthew Zahm of Lancaster, Pennsylvania, records the introduction of the Christmas tree being brought to the New World December 20, 1821.
Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ
- Original Message -
From: "Arsene Lupin" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ
TPW: I heard that song and dance before. "Those
were not TRUE Christians". And we didn't appropriate Jesus' name. In
fact history reveals that many missionaries merely sought to divert the
followers and say "this is whom you worship now"...
Marlin: Somebody appropriates Jesus' name and deceives
many:
MAT 24:5 {For many shall come in my
name, saying, I am Christ; and
shall
deceive many.}MAR 13:6 {For many shall come in my name,
saying, I am [Christ]; and
shall
deceive many.}LUK 21:8 And he said, {Take heed that ye
be not deceived: for many
shall
come in my name, saying, I am [Christ]; and the time draweth
near: go
ye not therefore after them.}
Couple Jesus' prophesy with "Christian" practices that are
Pagan, butsuperimpose the name of Jesus Christ. If Pagans did not
appropriate Jesus' name, then what we have is a synthesis or a hybrid that has
emerged with practices of the one, and a name from the
other.
Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ
What emerged as Christianity is actually paganism. Most of the holidays and many beliefs and observances of modern day Christians are Pagan, and promoted by hierarchical groups. The name of Jesus has been appropriated by paganism. What we have are some Pagans, calling themselves Christians who have persecuted other Pagans, who have not converted to the paganism masquerading as Christianity. --Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:38 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ From: Arsene Lupin [EMAIL PROTECTED] JT: You say that paganism is so old, even older than Christianity and then refer to pagans being harrassed, tortured and killed by institutionalized religion Christianity included. Christianity wasn't institutionalized until 345 AD under Constantine. ... -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] The end of Art
Thanks for the link. Amorality was already pervasive in the '80s. What has masqueraded as "art" has been an attack on values, funded by the NEA and other 'charities.' I was involved with art and musicfor a large portion of my life. Some of my writing for art exhibitions that I curated has beenpublished. A journal called Experimental Musical Instruments reprinted some of my writings. EMI Back Issues Volumes 1 2, 6/1985-4/1987... Marlin Halverson's Sonic Art exhibition catalog was published for the Sonic ArtExhibition at the Art Gallery at California State College in San Bernardino ... www.windworld.com/emi/back_issues/bi1-2.htm - 72k - Cached - Similar pages EMI Back Issues Volumes 9 10, 9/1993-6/1995... [Additional keywords: flowerpots, homemade instruments, idiophones]. "Environmentand Process": Marlin Halverson. 5 pages; 10 photos; 1 drawing. ... www.windworld.com/emi/back_issues/bi9-10.htm - 63k - Cached - Similar pages - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] The end of Art I agree with The End of Art, by Vox Day: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35051.
[TruthTalk] the meatrix
If you have not yet seen the Meatrix animation, please do.http://themeatrix.com/
Re: [TruthTalk] 200 million Christians being persecuted
REV 2:7 {He that hath an ear,
let him hear what the Spirit saith unto
the
churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree
of life,
which is in the midst of the paradise of God.}
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:23
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 200 million
Christians being persecuted
thx for the purty
pinkbackgrounds, Iz--i borrowed 'em from your
post/s:)
is JC having the final word here--or Marlin
rof
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:14:26 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Oh, well,
youre forgiven. J
Izzy
-Original
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:07
PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 200 million
Christians being persecuted
Boy, I must be getting
old! I don't remember just reading a scriptural defense, or attacking
you.
Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support
Thanks for the refreshing of my foggy memory, Chris. I now recall how clear your explanation was, posted it, and invited you to join. Marlin
[TruthTalk] Fw: Telephone Services -- Day of Atonement and Last Great Day
For your information, some are fellowshipping over long distances via telephone for the holy days and many of the weekly Sabbaths. Though I have not joined in, I am a little familiar with its host. --Marlin - Original Message - From: giveshare To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:44 PM Subject: Telephone Services -- Day of Atonement and Last Great Day You are invited to join us for a telephone service on the Day of Atonement, Monday, October 6, 2003. I will plan to give a sermon. Also, you may wish to join us on the Third Sabbath Telephone Services on October 18, 2003 (the Last Great Day), when I again plan to speak. Both telephone services are at the same hour: At 9AM Pacific, 10 Mountain, 11 Central, noon Eastern time, dial 918-222-7158. When the number connects, you will hear a recorded message. Then, press the access ID of 0566#. This will join you to the conference call. When not speaking to others on the conference call, please mute your speaker phone. If you do not have a speaker phone, you may self-mute by pressing *6, and unmute by pressing #6. Muting prevents background noise from interfering with other listeners. You may wish to order a free audio tape of a sermon I gave recently on "The Book of Hebrews." May you have a joyous Festival season! Faithfully yours, Richard C.NickelsGiving Sharing 3316 Alberta DriveGillette, WY 82718Phone: 307-686-5191FAX: 413-228-0483Internet: www.giveshare.org E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support
Marlin, What is the rest that the Israelites did not enter into? Was it the keeping of the seventh day, or something else? Could it have been the entering into the promised land that they were forbidden to do because of their failure to believe the promise of God, and therefore not obey His instructions? Yes, the instructions, including Sabbath keeping, were disbelieved. They wanted to go out and gather manna on the Sabbath among other issues. The analogy of entering the rest in the promised land is based upon the concrete truth of the Sabbath, something that the Hebrews all identified with. Abolition of, or changing the day of the Sabbath was never an issue. The writer clearlydeclares that "Sabbath keeping" [Greek] remains for the people of God while cautioning followers not to fall into the same pitfalls of unbelief that kept the exodus generation from entering the promised land. "you are adding things in to the Romans passage that aren't there" Some time ago, Slade, I believe, answered the question about Romans 14, and included the O.T. references. --Marlin - Original Message - From: Carrolll Moore To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support
Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support
No such command was ever given to man (the race) at or after creation! It is simply stated that on the 7th day God rested. Gen.2:2 No observance of the 7th day by any man is ever recorded in scripture until God commanded Israel and Israel alone to keep it as a day of rest as a sign between them and God. --Bruce Dear Bruce, Did ye never read in the scriptures, "And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not manfor the sabbath:?" MAR 2:27 Jesus said that it was not made for Israel, but for man. - The blessed day, the Sabbath, is a 'sign' or a 'mark' for Israel,i.e. those people whom the Lord has set appart. That it was observed by the faithful prior to Moses is also self evident by theveryexistence of theseven day week, a universal phenomenon unatached to anything seen in the movementof heavenly bodies.
Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support
...If God intended that one day was to be observed by new covenant saints in a particular way that was distinct from all the rest, Paul could never have written Romans 14:5 and 6 under the inspiration of the Spirit of God! Your brother in Christ, Bruce Dear Bruce, There is an evil power that shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws, but the week, ending with the Sabbath, is something that God esteems, as well as the writer of Hebrews. HEB 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. HEB 4:5 And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest. HEB 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: HEB 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. HEB 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. HEB 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest [Greek: sabbatismos, sabbath keeping] to the people of God. The Romans were being troubled to esteem traditional fast days that Jews held special because of certain historical events. Paul merely points out that it did not matter whether somebody eats on those days or not. These were not commanded observances of the Lord at issue in Romans 14. Sincerely, Marlin -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] The key?
Thanks for the outline! I will share this with my family. Marlin - Original Message - From: Bruce Woodford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The key? Hi Izzy, Here's part two. I trust that consideration of these truths relative to our walk of faith in the Spirit will be helpful to many of the Lord's dear people! -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support
.According to Ex.31:13-17 the Sabbath was a sign between God and the children of Israel. --Bruce No. Read the command again. the word for means because. It was given to man long before there ever was an Israel. It is part of creation itself. So says the command. The other part of the command, about working the SIX days, is also part of creation. There are more work days to observe than there are rest days. It is impossible to keep the weekly sabbath everyday, as some suppose, in order to justify sun-day worship. This would destroy God's whole creation of a seven day week. When would anybody work? Marlin -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] Ought works both ways
MAT 5:23 {Therefore if thou bring thy
gift to the altar, and
there
rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;}MAR 11:25
{And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against
any: that
your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you
your
trespasses.}
[TruthTalk] grace, seasoned with salt
Dear Ones, Why is it that we sometimes hurt the ones who are closest tous? Why is it that we sometimes seem to have so much in common with somebody else, only to find that we differ on smaller points, and then we loose sight of ourtrue Master, Who isable to lead each of us in His time? Only God canmake a hair white or black. "Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren,these things ought not so to be. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet [water] andbitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine,figs? so [can] no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let himshew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom." [JAM 3:10-14] "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) Love, Marlin
Re: [TruthTalk] Dare you to read this II!
Could you please enlighten me on this? It sounds like something I have not heard of before. "we keep the six commandments of Shabbat because we love YHVH." Thanks, Marlin - Original Message - From: "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dare you to read this II! Shame, shame, shame
[TruthTalk] Mormon Plague
Interesting. I hope these katydids don't come here! Mormon PlagueMillions of ravenous Mormon Crickets, moving like an ancient plague, are on the march across vast swaths of the U.S. West. The insects travel in hordes that can measure 1 mile wide and 3 miles deep. The insects got their name after invading the fields of Mormon settlers in Utah in 1848. They're not actually crickets - rather a species of shieldbacked katydid that belong to a grasshopper family. Their voracious appetites take in anything. At a density of just one cricket per square yard, they can consume 38 pounds of forage per acre as they pass through an area. They will even eat each other. So far Utah has been hardest-hit with $25 million in damage in the worse cricket infestation in 60 years. More info on the Mormon cricket may be found online at http://www.sdvc.uwyo.edu/grasshopper/ansi.htm--
Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah
"...This study presents irrefutable Scriptural evidence of the eternal existence of Jesus Christ and the co-equality that He shared with the Father as one of the two Jehovahs of the Old Testament" Carl D. Franklin http://www.cbcg.org/2jehovahs_psa_intro.htm - Original Message - From: michael douglas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah Michael D: Dave H, you have stated a few times I believe that you believe that Jesus is the Jehovah of the OT. Can you explain what you mean by that, and how do you figure that? Want to chat instantly with your online friends?Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
Re: [TruthTalk] The Beasts of the Field
? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Beasts of the Field If you are refusing to answer my questions, why are you on TT? I have not made my pattern a secret. When it gets down to the nitty gritty, you don't answer questions. I can only wonder why. Could it be you are like Marlin and want to be sneaky and sneak up behind someone? Izzy realizes the pattern in your behavior.Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting. For the report of your obedience has reached to all; therefore I am rejoicing over you, but I want you to be wise in what is good and innocent in what is evil. The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.Congratulations, Izzy. Your wisdom is shining through. I rejoice in your obedience to YHVH.
Re: [TruthTalk] The Beasts of the Field
? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Beasts of the Field Good, a merry heart doeth good like medicine. Slade was the one pretending to ask why I wanted to have answers. However, Marlin is a Judaizer if I understand him correctly. He says I have to observe Saturday worship.This mixing of works with Christ is Catholicism. I know that will hit your button. Glenn, Im just wondering how many times you are going to repeat the same old accusation. You dont need to repeat the obvious, as you have been bashing Marlin with this ever since he joined in October, as well as asking him the same questions over and over again. Im not trying to being mean, but your post caused me to burst out laughing! Izzy-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:09 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Beasts of the FieldIzzy, here is an example of how you are mean to some people and give others a free ride; the double standard. I think you are blinded to this. Oh, Golly, what a big piece of news! Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] Jewish Support of Hitler?
I once heard a lecturer over late night radio station KPFK in Los Angeles outline the holocaust in which he showed that one group of Jews were responsible for sending another group of Jews into the hands of Hitler. The Sephardic Jews of Spain were the ones that taught William Tyndale the Hebrew language, and his work led to about 90% of the King James Bible we have today after it passed through the hands of several committees at Oxford and Cambridge. I believe it may have been these Jews whom the lecturershowedwere sent into German camps. It was a very detailed and footnoted lecture, and that is why I remember it. Does anybody know about this?
Re: [TruthTalk]
What do you know of the NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM? and ANNUIT COEPTUS? - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] If any of you have been glued to the tube, watching the news this evening (Our granson is fighting in Iraq), you probably have already heard this. People close to G.W. Bush are talking about extending the war to other countries, andone of these people is suggesting that war with all the muslim nations be called world war four. He contends that world war three was the cold war. The new world order is coming out of the closet. It will be interesting to see how many people still think Bush is a Christian six months from now. Terry
[TruthTalk] Fw: I have never in my life seen a person misuse the Bible the way you do.
? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: I have never in my life seen a person misuse the Bible the way you do. You and Satan guote the Bible alike.I am not sure you have ever used a Bible verse correctly. You proof-text everything from you divisive, everyone's going to hell but you, point of view.Just to print a verse OUT OF CONTEXT, IS PROOF TEXTING. THIS IS A GREAT GREAT SIN.
Re: [TruthTalk] the Little Children...
1CO 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] the Little Children... I think that the more sophisticated we become, the more likely we are to miss the pointwhich was the moral of the story. J Izzy Tis a gift to be simple, tis a gift to be free an old Shaker hymn. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:19 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] the Little Children... Iz wrote/quoted (excerpted): "one day, when the mysteries of heaven are opened, and we are all amazed at how close God really is to our hearts," relative to JCs teaching, below, 'close' is no cigar--the point is that the NT discloses mysteries (exclusive revelation, in and of itself, alone) brought into the present, now, from the future ftr, it's fair to say that severely retarded people could miss the point, above--but that problem shouldn't hinder you should it? lol On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:53:28 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Original Message-[g:] Iz--May I point out one remarkable aspect of this verse you posted(?)--the fact that Jesus stipulates what 'belongs' (pres tense) to'such as these' now ,
Re: [TruthTalk] the Little Children...
1CO 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] the Little Children... I think that the more sophisticated we become, the more likely we are to miss the pointwhich was the moral of the story. J Izzy Tis a gift to be simple, tis a gift to be free an old Shaker hymn. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:19 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] the Little Children... Iz wrote/quoted (excerpted): "one day, when the mysteries of heaven are opened, and we are all amazed at how close God really is to our hearts," relative to JCs teaching, below, 'close' is no cigar--the point is that the NT discloses mysteries (exclusive revelation, in and of itself, alone) brought into the present, now, from the future ftr, it's fair to say that severely retarded people could miss the point, above--but that problem shouldn't hinder you should it? lol On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:53:28 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Original Message-[g:] Iz--May I point out one remarkable aspect of this verse you posted(?)--the fact that Jesus stipulates what 'belongs' (pres tense) to'such as these' now ,
Re: [TruthTalk] How does one OBEY the Gospel of God?
The Gospel, or good news,was Jesus, grace, and
God.
But theGospel that Jesus
himself brought was of the Kingdom of God.
MAT 4:23 And Jesus went about all
Galilee, teaching in their synagogues,
and
preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner
of
sickness and all manner of disease among the people.MAT
9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages,
teaching
in their
synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom,
and
healing every sickness and every disease among the people.MAT
24:14 {And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in
all the
world
for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.}MAR
1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into
Galilee,
preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,MAR
1:15 And saying, {The time is fulfilled, and the
kingdom of God is
at hand:
repent ye, and believe the gospel.}
A kingdom has
1. a king
2.subjects
3. territory
4. laws and consequences
We need to find out what our heavenly king desires us to
obey.
REV 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the
woman, and went to make war
with the
remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have
the testimony of Jesus Christ.
-Marlin
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:40
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] How does one
OBEY the Gospel of God?
Slade:
The Gospel is the "Good News". The good news is Jesus,
the Christ.
Obey Him.
Blessings,
Terry
- Original Message -
From:
Slade Henson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:19
PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] How does one OBEY
the Gospel of God?
Can someone answer me this:
How does one OBEY the Gospel of
God?
Reference:For it is
time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with
us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of
God? (1 Peter 4:17)
[TruthTalk] Free Computer Bible
Free Computer Bible If you have a computer, you might want to take a peek at: http://www.e-sword.net I downloaded their free Bible before the Feast and, to me, it seems head and shoulders above other free Bible programs I've come across. Interesting quotes such as: Without payment you have received; without payment you are to give. (Mat 10:8, ISV) Religious truth is captive in a small number of little manuscripts which guard the common treasures, instead of expanding them. Let us break the seal which binds these holy things; let us give wings to truth that it may fly with the Word, no longer prepared at vast expense, but multitudes everlastingly by a machine which never wearies to every soul which enters life. Johann Gutenberg (first man to print the Bible). Eliminating Biblical illiteracy one download at a time. Glen Leslie, Sept/Oct 2002
Re: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers
Dear Perry,
We are responsible for what we are given. It is better to be a door man in
the kingdom than not to be there. The gift of eternal life is tremendous.
But I expect when Jesus brings His rewards it will be like the parable of
the talents.
Marlin
MAT 25:29 {For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have
abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even
that
which he hath.}
MAT 25:30 {And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there
shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.}
MAT 25:31 ¶ {When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy
angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his
glory:}
MAT 25:32 {And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall
separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his]
sheep
from the goats:}
MAT 25:33 {And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on
the
left.}
MAT 25:34 {Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye
blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from
the
foundation of the world:}
- Original Message -
From: Charles P. Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers
David, and fellow TT'rs,
This may be a good point to bring up some questions, and I hope that
other TT'rs chime in as well.
Many of the points that we discuss on TT require a tremendous amount of
research (biblical and extra-biblical) in terms of scanning, cross
referencing, and word studies, to understand. And, to understand many of
the
NT concepts, we even need OT knowledge into characteristics, traits, and
customs of OT Jewish society, to fully understand all of the implications
of
the NT.
Do you really think that it takes all of that research to be a
Christian?
If you tell me that one can gain all of the knowledge of the things you
purport to know with just a daily reading of scripture, without all of the
digging and research, I must disagree.
While we all have time (or can at least make time) to read the
scriptures, not everyone has the time (or can make the time) to perform
the
research that most theologians, bible scholars, and commentators have, and
to be honest, most people may not even have the mental focus or the skills
it takes to do that type of research and arrive at the level of
understanding at which every commentator believes they have arrived.
I am sure all great (and even more not-so-great) biblical scholars
believe that their study was led by the Holy Spirit, and perhaps in many
instances it was. But if that is so, how can we have Arminius and Calvin,
both claiming to have been led by the Holy Spirit, yet arriving at two
completely opposing viewpoints. How can the irreconcilable differences of
the many christian organizations claim to all have been led by the
spirit
to the exclusive truth of scripture when they are diametrically opposed on
so many points? God is not a God of confusion, and the Holy Spirit does
not
lead men down mutually exclusive paths.
When I read a commentary, including all of those opinions on TT, I
cannot
take it as the 100% truth, because men have agendas, preconceived notions,
desires to see things a certain way, and most (if not all) commentaries
are
tainted by certain theological assumptions. For example, I find the
futuristic view of dispensationalists to be flawed, yet the
dispensationalists I debate are sure that theirs is the ONLY proper
eschatological view, and most are willing to argue their futurist
viewpoints
to the death! Regardless of how sincere any commentator is when they
produce
their commentaries, they are always colored by their pre-beliefs. If I
want
to trust a commentary, then I have to go off and repeat the same research
as
the commentator, and I will most likely arrive at a different conclusion
(depending on how persuasive an argument he has produced, and how astute I
am as a bible scholar) because I do not have the same theological
background
or training that he has.
Thanks for going this far...you are over half way...now the rest...
I believe that there is a simple answer to this. I believe that the
message is simple. I believe that our salvation and standing with God
cannot
be based upon our ability to do the deeper research necessary to arrive at
many of the concepts that we discuss here on TT, and also that we cannot
depend on the many commentators to reveal the truth to us, lest we find
ourselves jumping through many man-made hoops to no avail. And, also, our
salvation and eternal destiny cannot depend on whether we are Arminianists
or Calvinists (or adhere to any other of the broad-ranging theological
formulas).
I have faith that God's tremendous grace and mercy have saved me, and
Re: [TruthTalk] Oil on Your French Toast
Dear Slade, I appreciated the article. It is nice when somebody takes the time to thread together thetruth behind the manipulations that I keep seeing in themedia's propaganda. The American public is so gullible. I see what you shared as relevant to this forum because Dave recently clarified that this is a forum for truth. I want to make it perfectly clear that TruthTalk is NOT a Christianlist. TruthTalk is a list for talking about Truth, and we welcomepeople here of all religions as well as those with no religion. We haveonly one rule on TruthTalk, and that is that there should be no adhominem attacks. The reason for this rule is not because ad hominemarguments are sinful, but rather because in this kind of forum, theysimply hinder fruitful discussion rather than help it. --Dave Miller Now "the truth" is God's word. But other truths help us to see the powers of darkness that are allowed to rule in the high places over the earth until our Lord returns. Many people are offended by these things because they upset the comfort zone of the great delusion over those who love not the truth. --Marlin - Original Message - From: "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 2:45 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Oil on Your French Toast OIL ON YOUR FRENCH TOAST THE FRENCH, GERMANS AND RUSSIANS DIDN'T WANT A WAR IN IRAQ March 21, 2003 The French had a very good reason not to go along with the US in the War in Iraq. For over 50 years US oil companies and US policy have "stolen" French oil properties and contracts which has cost the French trillions of dollars.
[TruthTalk] Ad hominem remarks
Dear Slade, Long before you came on board, I dealt with the same incoherence. Glen was accusing me of being a judaiser who supports Hitler before he left. Go figure. Ad hominemremarks andname calling come from those who lack proof for their claims. The practice ofplacing words in the mouths of others who never said them is simply a violation of the commandment that says not to bear false witness against one's neighbor. It was interesting to see how long such a false witness would be banted about before some list contributors would realize who fabricated it. I found dealing with this to be a waste of precious time. I encourage list members to always ask Who? What? Where? When? Why? How? This strikes at the heart of the truth. There is "truth" and there is "the truth."That is what I seek after. For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth. 3JO 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. 2JO 1:3 --Marlin
