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- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/5/2006 9:52:26 PM Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk Sent: 1/5/2006 10:13:21 AM Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one. jd cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" Not true. I have a picture of "Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian Church -- with a lot of problems, admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of faith. cd: John an Idol is something one prays to or worships that is forbidden. To pray to the Jesus in your familybible is not forbidden.Paul,in Romans 1:18-25, teaches that idolatry is not the first stage of religion,from which man by an evolutionary process emerges to monotheism, but is the result of deliberate religious apostasy (ie. The Compact Bible Dictionary). I do realize that there are Christian with much faith within the RCC but these people will be known by their resistance to sin that is taught in the RCC such as Idolatry. How do you define Idolatry John? If you are the one whom decides whatIdol is or is not-what do you do with God's definition of what an idol is? what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4 Good quote.When was the last time you saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really do not know what you are talking about, here. cd: John I do know of which I am speaking-I have heard CC members pray to Mary-and have spoken to students on College campus who "pray to the saints". My response to them is how do you know that these saints even went to heaven? Could you be praying to someone who dwells in Hell? I then showthose studentsthe 2nd commandment with the instruction to worship God only-thru Christ. I then compare Mary to John the Baptist-whom was greatest among men and nowhere in the Bible are we told to pray to John the Baptist. Respectfully, you have much to learn of the RCC and the Bible. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the Lord am a jealous God. St John didn't know he was doing wrong by bowing to a angel but was also corrected- Rev 19:10 1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of god? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor Idolatersshall inherit the kingdom of God. As concerning the faith of the catholics-Arn't we told to test faith by works Therearefew on this sitewhobelieves in testing the sprits. Everythime I ask DM for some kind of evidence, some kind of verification for his claim to be an apostle and a prophet - I get silence. cd: I perceive that your request to D.Millers is viewed as wanting a "sign" from David-The Jews also wanted a "sign" from Christ tosupportHis Claims-they were given none as we do not walk by signs but by faith. He did mention to some that the only sign given would be the sign of Jonah who died for three day and came to life. If these Jews failed to see the miracles Christ performed what other proof could Jesus give them? Try asking David to tell of his prophecies so that his light will shine and God can be given glory. I too would like to hear them to give God glory-What do you say David? Satan also asked Jesus For a sign to prove he was the son of God and he also was not given that sign. -and every man was judged by their works Rev:20;13? Or a tree by it's fruit?Therefore I will use God measuring rod to decide truth.Thes Catholics also removed the 2nd commandment of Idolatry and divided the10th commandment (coveting)into two commandments-making ten commandments-back to our same old questionof why wouldthey remove they words in the first place? I don't believe there is idolatry in the Catholic church -- certainly not of the kind God in scripture references. jd cd: Try telling that to the next Jew you meet and see what answer he gives you?
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Pray TO? Pray THROUGH? IMO, there is a
distinction.
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Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are
they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ?
None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living
God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical
one.
jd
cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it
today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel
in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I
disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the
catholics"think of these statues"
Not true. I have a picture of
"Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of
course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I
decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely
what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto
be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons"
as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian
Church -- with a lot of problems,
admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of
faith.
cd: John an Idol is something one prays to or
worships that is forbidden. To pray to the Jesus in your
familybible is not forbidden.Paul,in Romans 1:18-25, teaches
that idolatry is not the first stage of religion,from which man by an
evolutionary process emerges to monotheism, but is the result of
deliberate religious apostasy (ie. The Compact Bible Dictionary). I do
realize that there are Christian with much faith within the RCC but
these people will be known by their resistance to sin that is taught in
the RCC such as Idolatry. How do you define Idolatry John? If you are
the one whom decides whatIdol
is or is not-what do you do with God's definition of what an idol
is?
what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down
and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4
Good quote.When was the last time you
saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really do not
know what you are talking about, here.
cd: John I do know of which I am speaking-I
have heard CC members pray to Mary-and have spoken to students on
College campus who "pray to the saints". My response to them is how do
you know that these saints even went to heaven? Could you be praying to
someone who dwells in Hell? I then showthose studentsthe 2nd
commandment with the instruction to worship God only-thru Christ. I then
compare Mary to John the Baptist-whom was greatest among men and nowhere
in the Bible are we told to pray to John the Baptist. Respectfully, you
have much to learn of the RCC and the Bible.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of
any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou shall not
bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the Lord am a jealous
God. St John didn't know he was doing wrong by bowing to a angel
but was also corrected- Rev 19:10
1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit
the kingdom of god? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor
Idolatersshall inherit the kingdom of God.
As concerning the faith of the catholics-Arn't we told to test
faith by works
Therearefew on this
sitewhobelieves in testing the sprits.
Everythime I ask DM for some kind of evidence, some kind of verification
for his claim to be an apostle and a prophet - I get
silence.
cd: I perceive that your request to D.Millers
is viewed as wanting a "sign" from David-The Jews also wanted a "sign"
from Christ tosupportHis
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Pray through whom? There is only ONE mediator between God and man. Yet the rcc sanctions the rosary where ppl chant over and over and over "Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death" So what is THAT all about? On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:59:39 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pray TO? Pray THROUGH? IMO, there is a distinction. From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one. jd cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" Not true. I have a picture of "Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian Church -- with a lot of problems, admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of faith. cd: John an Idol is something one prays to or worships that is forbidden. To pray to the Jesus in your familybible is not forbidden.Paul,in Romans 1:18-25, teaches that idolatry is not the first stage of religion,from which man by an evolutionary process emerges to monotheism, but is the result of deliberate religious apostasy (ie. The Compact Bible Dictionary). I do realize that there are Christian with much faith within the RCC but these people will be known by their resistance to sin that is taught in the RCC such as Idolatry. How do you define Idolatry John? If you are the one whom decides whatIdol is or is not-what do you do with God's definition of what an idol is? what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4 Good quote.When was the last time you saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really do not know what you are talking about, here. cd: John I do know of which I am speaking-I have heard CC members pray to Mary-and have spoken to students on College campus who "pray to the saints". My response to them is how do you know that these saints even went to heaven? Could you be praying to someone who dwells in Hell? I then showthose studentsthe 2nd commandment with the instruction to worship God only-thru Christ. I then compare Mary to John the Baptist-whom was greatest among men and nowhere in the Bible are we told to pray to John the Baptist. Respectfully, you have much to learn of the RCC and the Bible. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the Lord am a jealous God. St John didn't know he was doing wrong by bowing to a angel but was also corrected- Rev 19:10 1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of god? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor Idolatersshall inherit the kingdom of God. As concerning the faith of the catholics-Arn't we told to test faith by works Therearefew on this sitewhobelieves in testing the sprits. Everythime I ask DM for some kind of evidence, some kind of verification for his claim to be an apostle and a prophet - I get silence. cd: I perceive that your request to D.Millers is viewed as wanting a "sign" from David-The Jews also wanted a "sign" from Christ tosupportHis Claims-they were given none as we do not walk by signs but by faith. He did mention to some that the only sign given would be the sign of Jonah who died for three day and came to life. If these Jews failed to see the miracles Christ performed what
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This is but SPECULATION on my part but, 'the great cloud of witnesses' MAY be doing something other than watching. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 06, 2006 09:09 Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Pray through whom? There is only ONE mediator between God and man. Yet the rcc sanctions the rosary where ppl chant over and over and over "Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death" So what is THAT all about? On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:59:39 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pray TO? Pray THROUGH? IMO, there is a distinction. From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one. jd cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" Not true. I have a picture of "Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian Church -- with a lot of problems, admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of faith. cd: John an Idol is something one prays to or worships that is forbidden. To pray to the Jesus in your familybible is not forbidden.Paul,in Romans 1:18-25, teaches that idolatry is not the first stage of religion,from which man by an evolutionary process emerges to monotheism, but is the result of deliberate religious apostasy (ie. The Compact Bible Dictionary). I do realize that there are Christian with much faith within the RCC but these people will be known by their resistance to sin that is taught in the RCC such as Idolatry. How do you define Idolatry John? If you are the one whom decides whatIdol is or is not-what do you do with God's definition of what an idol is? what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4 Good quote.When was the last time you saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really do not know what you are talking about, here. cd: John I do know of which I am speaking-I have heard CC members pray to Mary-and have spoken to students on College campus who "pray to the saints". My response to them is how do you know that these saints even went to heaven? Could you be praying to someone who dwells in Hell? I then showthose studentsthe 2nd commandment with the instruction to worship God only-thru Christ. I then compare Mary to John the Baptist-whom was greatest among men and nowhere in the Bible are we told to pray to John the Baptist. Respectfully, you have much to learn of the RCC and the Bible. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the Lord am a jealous God. St John didn't know he was doing wrong by bowing to a angel but was also corrected- Rev 19:10 1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of god? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor Idolatersshall inherit the kingdom of God. As concerning the faith of the catholics-Arn't we told to test faith by works Therearefew on this sitewhobelieves in testing the sprits.
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- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/6/2006 8:59:34 AM Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Pray TO? Pray THROUGH? IMO, there is a distinction. cd: No, they are the same as the only way to the father is through Jesus Christ-He is the mediator no other-If you Lance see a distinction-pleaseenlighten us ofthat distinction? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 06, 2006 08:48 Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/5/2006 9:52:26 PM Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk Sent: 1/5/2006 10:13:21 AM Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one. jd cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" Not true. I have a picture of "Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian Church -- with a lot of problems, admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of faith. cd: John an Idol is something one prays to or worships that is forbidden. To pray to the Jesus in your familybible is not forbidden.Paul,in Romans 1:18-25, teaches that idolatry is not the first stage of religion,from which man by an evolutionary process emerges to monotheism, but is the result of deliberate religious apostasy (ie. The Compact Bible Dictionary). I do realize that there are Christian with much faith within the RCC but these people will be known by their resistance to sin that is taught in the RCC such as Idolatry. How do you define Idolatry John? If you are the one whom decides whatIdol is or is not-what do you do with God's definition of what an idol is? what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4 Good quote.When was the last time you saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really do not know what you are talking about, here. cd: John I do know of which I am speaking-I have heard CC members pray to Mary-and have spoken to students on College campus who "pray to the saints". My response to them is how do you know that these saints even went to heaven? Could you be praying to someone who dwells in Hell? I then showthose studentsthe 2nd commandment with the instruction to worship God only-thru Christ. I then compare Mary to John the Baptist-whom was greatest among men and nowhere in the Bible are we told to pray to John the Baptist. Respectfully, you have much to learn of the RCC and the Bible. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the Lord am a jealous God. St John didn't know he was doing wrong by bowing to a angel but was also corrected- Rev 19:10 1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of god? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor Idolatersshall inherit the kingdom of God. As concerning the faith of the catholics-Arn't we told to test faith by works Therearefew on this sitewhobelieves in testing the sprits. Everythime I ask DM for some kind of evidence, some kind of verification for his claim to be an apostle and a prophet - I get silence. cd: I perceive that your request to D.Millers is viewed as wanting a "sign" from David-The Jews also wanted a "sign" from Christ tosupportHis Claims-they were given none as we do not walk by signs but by faith. He did mention to some that the only sign given would be the sign of Jonah who died for three day and came to life. If these Jews failed to see the miracles Christ performed what other proof could Jesus give them? Try asking David to tell of his prophecies so that his light will shine and God can be given glory. I too would like to hear them to give God glory-What do you say David? Satan also asked Jesus For a sign to prove he was the son of God and he also was
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I did in another post. No point in repeating.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 06, 2006 09:24
Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk]
Cross
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/6/2006 8:59:34 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk]
Cross
Pray TO? Pray THROUGH? IMO, there is a
distinction.
cd: No, they are the same as the only way to
the father is through Jesus Christ-He is the mediator no other-If you Lance
see a distinction-pleaseenlighten us ofthat
distinction?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 06, 2006 08:48
Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk]
Cross
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/5/2006 9:52:26 PM
Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk
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Subject: Re: FW: Re:
[TruthTalk] Cross
Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?"
Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His
Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached
to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is
not a biblical one.
jd
cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent
it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old
gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never
changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what
the catholics"think of these statues"
Not true. I have a picture of
"Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?"
Of course not. And why -- because I say so
!!! I decide if an idol is a god or
not. That is precisely what is wrong with an
idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a
god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they
function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian
Church -- with a lot of problems,
admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of
faith.
cd: John an Idol is something one prays to
or worships that is forbidden. To pray to the Jesus in your
familybible is not forbidden.Paul,in Romans 1:18-25,
teaches that idolatry is not the first stage of religion,from which
man by an evolutionary process emerges to monotheism, but is the
result of deliberate religious apostasy (ie. The Compact Bible
Dictionary). I do realize that there are Christian with much faith
within the RCC but these people will be known by their resistance to
sin that is taught in the RCC such as Idolatry. How do you define
Idolatry John? If you are the one whom decides
whatIdol is or is
not-what do you do with God's definition of what an idol
is?
what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing
down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry.
Exod.20: 4
Good quote.When was the last time
you saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really
do not know what you are talking about,
here.
cd: John I do know of which I am
speaking-I have heard CC members pray to Mary-and have spoken to
students on College campus who "pray to the saints". My response to
them is how do you know that these saints even went to heaven? Could
you be praying to someone who dwells in Hell? I then showthose
studentsthe 2nd commandment with the instruction to worship
God only-thru Christ. I then compare Mary to John the Baptist-whom
was greatest among men and nowhere in the Bible are we told to pray
to John the Baptist. Respectfully, you have much to learn of the RCC
and the Bible
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Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink Revolves Around You. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/22/2005 7:03:52 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/22/2005 5:48:56 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross It's no small matter, Dean, to address God as the God of the Cosmost. I'm concerned about your use of 'my' both with respect to God and to the interpretation. As to the latter, it then becomes the teaching of Dean. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 21, 2005 18:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/20/2005 10:13:30 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross My Jesus, Dean, IS NOT DEFINED by the traditons of men. Was Jesus born of a virgin. Was He , at the same time, the Son of God? Is He the Creator of the worlds. Was he reased from the dead ? Is it His sacrifice that presents us with the forgiveness of sins? Yes to all this -- and the RCC is fully agreed on these ppoints. The RCC differs from my theology on two general levels - the importances of works and the place in worship for the traditions of the Church. A third consideration is the role of the Church as the revelator of God in Christ. But our God is the same. jd cd: No sir they are not the same-My God forbids Idol worship and Catholics claim there is no wrong in doing this act. Big difference. My God requires repentence for this aqct their God allows this act-not the same God. -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/20/2005 7:49:31 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross The Christ of the RCC is no different from the Christ I serve. That RCC theology is too full of tradition and works, we would probably agree. but if we roll all of RCC doctrine into the concept of "Christ," we comdemn ourselves by that action and for much of the same reasons. jd cd: Really John? So you Jesus allows you to pray to Idols (ie Mary and many Saints). Does you Jesus say the Pope is infallible? Does you Jesus allow you to remove one of his commandments (ie. the second commandment of no Idol worship)and divide the tenth in two commandmentsto hid their actions? Does you Jesus allow you to beat your self for a lesser hell-by punishing yourself or does he say repent? Does you Jesus teach of purgatory?...etc? My Jesus doesn't allow such things. -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/17/2005 5:18:02 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross In a message dated 12/16/2005 8:59:42 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: discerning the difference . . . cd: And the sad part is you actually believe a man who said there were 6 ft quaker like people living on the moon-as a prophet of God-very sad indeed. He may have said that, but he also testified of the reality of Jesus Christ. Would you count that as being uninspired? Blainerb cd: You and DaveH both mention Jesus Christ but it is not the Christ on the Bible-as was Smiths Christ not of God.If he was inspired then Smiths word would reflect Christ words they do not do so.Therefore the only conclusion I can draw from that is Smith is speaking of another Christ.Simular to the Jesus that RCC teachs-They made unto themselves a Christ that allows for Idol worship and sell him to people for attendance to their Church. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/16/2005 4:08:55 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross In a message dated 12/14/2005 5:00:06 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: The why don't Mormons live by Jesus's words instead of Smith's words. Blainerb: . Smith lived and died for his testimony of Jesus Christ, whom he saw and spoke with on several occasions. Smith was His prophet, just as Moses was his prophet.There are exciting parallels between the two, in fact. If JS ever spoke anything contrary to the mind and will of the Lord, he spoke of himself. Being a man, having the weaknesses of a man, he may have done that on occasion. But that did not mean he was not a prophet who revealed the mind and will of Jesus Christ to man in these last days. Use the Holy Spirit, and the spirit of charity to be your guide in discerning the difference . . . cd:
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- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk Sent: 1/5/2006 10:13:21 AM Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one. jd cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the Lord am a jealous God. St John didn't know he was doing wrong by bowing to a angel but was also corrected- Rev 19:10 1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of god? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor Idolatersshall inherit the kingdom of God. As concerning the faith of the catholics-Arn't we told to test faith by works-and every man was judged by their works Rev:20;13? Or a tree by it's fruit?Therefore I will use God measuring rod to decide truth.Thes Catholics also removed the 2nd commandment of Idolatry and divided the10th commandment (coveting)into two commandments-making ten commandments-back to our same old questionof why wouldthey remove they words in the first place?
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-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk Sent: 1/5/2006 10:13:21 AM Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one. jd cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" Not true. I have a picture of "Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian Church -- with a lot of problems, admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of faith. what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4 Good quote.When was the last time you saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really do not know what you are talking about, here. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the Lord am a jealous God. St John didn't know he was doing wrong by bowing to a angel but was also corrected- Rev 19:10 1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of god? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor Idolatersshall inherit the kingdom of God. As concerning the faith of the catholics-Arn't we told to test faith by works Therearefew on this sitewhobelieves in testing the sprits. Everythime I ask DM for some kind of evidence, some kind of verification for his claim to be an apostle and a prophet - I get silence. -and every man was judged by their works Rev:20;13? Or a tree by it's fruit?Therefore I will use God measuring rod to decide truth.Thes Catholics also removed the 2nd commandment of Idolatry and divided the10th commandment (coveting)into two commandments-making ten commandments-back to our same old questionof why wouldthey remove they words in the first place? I don't believe there is idolatry in the Catholic church -- certainly not of the kind God in scripture references. jd
