RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise
-Original Message- On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:18 PM Izzy wrote: ... didn't the Lord send sickness and disease as part of His judgments in the Bible? Do you mean He won't send it upon His true children who are walking righteously? Yes, but even in judgment, it is not directly God who does it. Sickness and disease is part of this world because of sin, so all God needs to do is withdraw his hedge of protection in order to send it. Remember Job. David, scripture seems to contradict you; how do you figure? Deuteronomy 28 15(13) But it shall come about, if you do not obey the LORD your God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you: 20(18) The LORD will send upon you curses, confusion, and (19) rebuke, in all you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and until (20) you perish quickly, on account of the evil of your deeds, because you have forsaken Me. 21(21) The LORD will make the pestilence cling to you until He has consumed you from the land where you are entering to possess it. 22(22) The LORD will smite you with consumption and with fever and with inflammation and with fiery heat and with [1] the sword and (23) with blight and with mildew, and they will pursue you until (24) you perish. 27(29) The LORD will smite you with the boils of Egypt and with (30) tumors and with the scab and with the itch, from which you cannot be healed. 28The LORD will smite you with madness and with blindness and with bewilderment of heart; 35(36) The LORD will strike you on the knees and legs with sore boils, from which you cannot be healed, from the sole of your foot to the crown of your head. 59then the LORD will bring extraordinary plagues on you and your descendants, even severe and lasting plagues, and miserable and chronic sicknesses. 60(63) He will bring back on you all the diseases of Egypt of which you were afraid, and they will cling to you. 61Also every sickness and every plague which, not written in the book of this law, the LORD will bring on you (64) until you are destroyed. 62Then you shall be left few in number, (65) whereas you were as numerous as the stars of heaven, because you did not obey the LORD your God. 63It shall come about that as the LORD (66) delighted over you to prosper you, and multiply you, so the LORD will (67) delight over you to make you perish and destroy you; and you will be (68) torn from the land where you are entering to possess it. Exodus 12 12'For (1) I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will strike down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and (2) against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments--(3) I am the LORD. 29 Now it came about at (28) midnight that (29) the LORD struck all (30) the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of (31) cattle. Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise
Izzy wrote: David, I've been meaning to ask you this. Every time you get sick do you take that as a sign that the Lord is chastising you? No. It might just be that I haven't been walking in faith. Izzy wrote: If so, do you think that whenever anyone else gets ill that God is chastising them? Not so, so no, I do not. If you want my view on healing, I wrote an article back in the 1980's I think and it is posted on the website at www.InnGlory.org, in the library section under David Miller. It might help you understand where I am coming from. I believe that both physical and spiritual healing is provided in the work of Christ. Izzy wrote: If not, what made you think your illness was a related issue to gluttony? Because I don't expect to get sick anymore than I expect to sin, I seek the Lord humbly in such situations. It might be a case of inaction, such as unbelief, or it might be that I have opened a door because of sinful action. In this particular case, I received a dream / vision which revealed to me the door by which Satan could attack my flesh. I repented of my sin and was healed. Izzy wrote: How do you know when something is a chastisement from the Lord vs a demonic attack, for instance? Chastisement in the form of sickness is not direct action on God's part. Do you think God puts sickness upon people? Which of us would chastise our children by infecting them purposefully with disease? What would you think of me if you learned that I purposefully infected my children with disease? Surely we cannot ascribe such abhorrent actions to a holy God. If we being evil do not do this to our children, then neither does a holy God do that to his children. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise
Izzy wrote: ... didn't the Lord send sickness and disease as part of His judgments in the Bible? Do you mean He won't send it upon His true children who are walking righteously? Yes, but even in judgment, it is not directly God who does it. Sickness and disease is part of this world because of sin, so all God needs to do is withdraw his hedge of protection in order to send it. Remember Job. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise
David Miller; I'm still waiting for your response whenever you have time. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 7:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise David, I've been meaning to ask you this. Every time you get sick do you take that as a sign that the Lord is chastising you? If so, do you think that whenever anyone else gets ill that God is chastising them? If not, what made you think your illness was a related issue to gluttony? How do you know when something is a chastisement from the Lord vs a demonic attack, for instance? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Izzy wrote: How did you know that the Lord was chastising you? What did He do? I became sick... guess it was something like the flu. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise
On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:27:49 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Is it George Bushor Saddam Hussein who had an opulent palace for each member of his family while his people wallowed in poverty? George Bush, Sr. isaproper comparison in this tightly knit 'algorhythmic'--but not very probing--question...actually, Augustus Bush, several generations back, is even more appropriate..since his heyday, the Bush family, like the Kennedys, has become50 (500?) times wealthier than any Iraqi...also, it's a 'both/and', not 'either/or' situation--the NT does not exclude whomever (our/any) patriots wanna exempt from serving the Lord--we ALL 'gotta serve somebody':)
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of course you won't hear this from Rush
Limbaugh and _Focus on the Family_ rof..
but, to get an idea of your own --try
the local library, e.g., Frederick Lundburg, _The Rich and the Super-Rich_
--early 60s, about 650 pages, a classic sociology/study on 'old' and 'new' money
and the 'preordained' ('dream' defying) class structure imbedded in Am society,
pre-Gates/MS, of course
...but it don't matter; the 'old money'
(.5% Am 'super rich' at the top which don't change membership inc the Bush
family and the Kennedy family) is vastly richer than
any sum of 'new money' inc
Bill Gates'..or any Iraqi..
also, Dr. Lundburg views their wealth in
terms of power and control of society/ies, e.g. administrative control of both
financial and legal policy frieghted to favor their class, the super
rich..
GWB, like e.g JFK was, is
(also, relative to Terry's comments on Masonic 'businessmen')
their current emissary/servant
..IOW, W= 'water boy', Iz
rof
..wheee, but he's a WBwho
canorder Gen Franks to takea hike
..around KBunk Port in his Daddy's Rolls
Roycelimo rof
..then down to the yacht club for lunch
to discuss the battle of
Baghdad with Barbara..
..whewy..ain't many of them kinda WBs,
Iz..
Is that why you'dcountenance this
confusion about who you worship--you think JC ain't that
rich??
..don't worry, i'm not sayin' HillaryC
is rich--she'll be usin' her book revenues to pay her legal bills
rof..
..maybe someheavenly havanas for
her hubby?? ..x666!
but that's what she gets for
messin' with religious tycoons..
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:23:58 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
More slanderous unproved
rumors..
On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:27:49 -0400
"David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:Is it George
Bushor Saddam Hussein who had an opulent
palace for each member of his
family while his people wallowed
in
poverty?
George Bush, Sr.
isaproper comparison in this tightly knit 'algorhythmic'--but not
very probing--question...actually, Augustus Bush, several generations back, is
even more appropriate..since his heyday, the Bush family, like the Kennedys,
has become50 (500?) times wealthier than any Iraqi...also, it's a
'both/and', not 'either/or' situation--the NT does not exclude whomever
(our/any) patriots wanna exempt from
serving the Lord--we ALL 'gotta serve
somebody':)
Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise
On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:27:49 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..send us that long awaited picture to add to the photo gallery on the website. http://poet235.com/aa1ozg/kgb22.jpg
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Gary, I can understand someone tattooing their name on their ankle, but what is the significance of tattooing the date their, too? And why a pink tattoo? Are you trying to tell us something?! cpl From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 01:04:20 -0600 On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:27:49 -0400 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..send us that long awaited picture to add to the photo gallery on the website. http://poet235.com/aa1ozg/kgb22.jpg _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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CP, No--it's just a _Paint Shop Pro_ overlay--as a date ref for DavidM ..if it offends you, i'll cut off my leg:) gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com
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CP--here's another one from ~6/2000:) http://poet235.com/p235a.jpg On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:34:25 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CP, No--it's just a _Paint Shop Pro_ overlay--as a date ref for DavidM ..if it offends you, i'll cut off my leg:) gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com
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Nice shot of your ankle, gary! Is the tattoo real or is it a computer trick? BTW did you know the OT prohibits tattoos? Thanks for sending the photoyou look fairly nice and normalhow about that Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 2:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:27:49 -0400 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..send us that long awaited picture to add to the photo gallery on the website. http://poet235.com/aa1ozg/kgb22.jpg
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g, are you sitting in the bleachers at the racetrack here? (Send us a photo of you with just one leg for comparison, please.) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise CP--here's another one from ~6/2000:) http://poet235.com/p235a.jpg On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:34:25 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CP, No--it's just a _Paint Shop Pro_ overlay--as a date ref for DavidM ..if it offends you, i'll cut off my leg:) gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com
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Hey you all! Take it easy on Gary. It has taken me four years to get a picture out of him, and now you all are raking him over the coals for it. LOL. Ok, Perry. Because you had so much fun talking about Gary's pic, it is time for you to cough up your picture so I can post it on the website at www.InnGlory.org for future reference. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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no-it'satMao's _Mein Kampf_ reading by Yao FoooMing at the annual Nike Corp. convention just after sunriseat the Karl Marx memorial outside of Saint Petersburg...Florida..butihad beencontemplating...Marlins...some off the east coast...someoff thewest coast...someplayin' the Cardinals later that day...then the photographer said 'cheeese' On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:58:17 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: g, are you sitting in the bleachers at the racetrack here? (Send us a photo of you with just one leg for comparison, please.) Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:51 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise CP--here's another one from ~6/2000:) http://poet235.com/p235a.jpg On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:34:25 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CP, No--it's just a _Paint Shop Pro_ overlay--as a date ref for DavidM ..if it offends you, i'll cut off my leg:) gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com
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Gary, I knew what it was all along...just yanking your chain. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:34:25 -0600 CP, No--it's just a _Paint Shop Pro_ overlay--as a date ref for DavidM ..if it offends you, i'll cut off my leg:) gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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David, You can take it from this link, if you like: http://www.qsl.net/ae6gq/mask.jpg Perry From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:08:04 -0400 Hey you all! Take it easy on Gary. It has taken me four years to get a picture out of him, and now you all are raking him over the coals for it. LOL. Ok, Perry. Because you had so much fun talking about Gary's pic, it is time for you to cough up your picture so I can post it on the website at www.InnGlory.org for future reference. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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chain?? On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:29:04 + "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary, I knew what it was all along...just yanking your chain. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:34:25 -0600 CP, No--it's just a _Paint Shop Pro_ overlay--as a date ref for DavidM ..if it offends you, i'll cut off my leg:) gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com
RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise
That explains everythingiz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise no-it'satMao's _Mein Kampf_ reading by Yao FoooMing at the annual Nike Corp. convention just after sunriseat the Karl Marx memorial outside of Saint Petersburg...Florida..butihad beencontemplating...Marlins...some off the east coast...someoff thewest coast...someplayin' the Cardinals later that day...then the photographer said 'cheeese' On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:58:17 -0500 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: g, are you sitting in the bleachers at the racetrack here? (Send us a photo of you with just one leg for comparison, please.) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise CP--here's another one from ~6/2000:) http://poet235.com/p235a.jpg On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:34:25 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CP, No--it's just a _Paint Shop Pro_ overlay--as a date ref for DavidM ..if it offends you, i'll cut off my leg:) gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com
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I'm glad we are finally getting some class on this forum! Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise David, You can take it from this link, if you like: http://www.qsl.net/ae6gq/mask.jpg Perry From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:08:04 -0400 Hey you all! Take it easy on Gary. It has taken me four years to get a picture out of him, and now you all are raking him over the coals for it. LOL. Ok, Perry. Because you had so much fun talking about Gary's pic, it is time for you to cough up your picture so I can post it on the website at www.InnGlory.org for future reference. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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that'z upper 'class'--eh? gary ottoson * http://poet235.com The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I talked to Glenn over the weekend and told him about this thread. He said"tell TT Glenn says if one is one oz overweight in God's eyes they are not perfect and headed to hell if the perfect doctrine is correct. " He still has his touch! LOL Laura
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Negative as eversurprise, surprise. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise I talked to Glenn over the weekend and told him about this thread. He saidtell TT Glenn says if one is one oz overweight in God's eyes they are not perfect and headed to hell if the perfect doctrine is correct. He still has his touch! LOL Laura
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Gary wrote: if you were to pitch against me, DavidM, you wouldn't think i'm *OW:)--no pitchers i play bb with think that,but more the opposite in terms of fit/physique..esp when they see one of their best pitches goin' ~400 feet outa the yard as has happened at least twice in different games this Spring Hey there Gary! You sound like a modern day Babe Ruth. That's great. However, the Babe also was considered overweight, so I'm not sure what to think about this. :-) I guess you are just going to have to send us that long awaited picture to add to the photo gallery on the website. It sounds like you look like Arnold's twin from what you've been telling us. What do you say? Do we finally get that picture? :-) I need some motivation for my new lifestyle of healthy diet and exercise. :-) Maybe you had better send the before and after picture, that ought to motivate us all, eh? Gary wrote: this kinda lifestyle scenario is what it translates to when 40% of us are OW on the planet, and 40% of us are flatass starvin.. is it our 'dream' or their 'nightmare'? We really must ask the probing questions here about why this happens. Who are the true tyrants? Is it George Bush or Saddam Hussein who had an opulent palace for each member of his family while his people wallowed in poverty? We are truly blessed in this country, and there are excesses and sins among many of our leaders, but I think in prior generations we had more noble and righteous leaders to some degree which has caused many blessings to overtake us. It is sad that so many in other countries are in such poverty, but their tyrants tell them it is our fault. Do you believe these tyrants? We also have poverty problems in this country, especially in the inner cities. What do we do about it? Do we blame our own tyrants or should we get in there and fix the problem? I guess some amount of finger pointing is warranted to identify the problem, but shouldn't we do more than that? Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Izzy wrote: How about slitherin socialist/Marxist /fascist/commie? Iz How can you have socialist and commie associated with Marxist/fascist? These are opposite ideologies with their respective adherents being enemies of one another. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I just wanted to be sure I had all the bases covered, since he hasn't yet confessed exactly WHAT his ideology is. :-) I'd also really be interested in what gary's diet is lately--maybe he could pass on some good recipes. I'm sure while he is motivating us, he could also help feed us, since he is so interested in feeding the hungry. I'm hungry about 3 times/day. Hey! Maybe g could get rich writing the Socialist's Diet Book for all those conscientious socialists who fear that every bite they eat takes food off someone else's table! It would be a big hit! Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise Izzy wrote: How about slitherin socialist/Marxist /fascist/commie? Iz How can you have socialist and commie associated with Marxist/fascist? These are opposite ideologies with their respective adherents being enemies of one another. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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David, I've been meaning to ask you this. Every time you get sick do you take that as a sign that the Lord is chastising you? If so, do you think that whenever anyone else gets ill that God is chastising them? If not, what made you think your illness was a related issue to gluttony? How do you know when something is a chastisement from the Lord vs a demonic attack, for instance? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Izzy wrote: How did you know that the Lord was chastising you? What did He do? I became sick... guess it was something like the flu. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Izzy wrote: How does one commit gluttony on only one meal/day? I don't know. That's what I was asking Gary. He seems to have a handle on this gluttony thing. I sure don't. Izzy wrote: It seems unlikely that in one meal you could consume more than your daily caloric needs. ( or by gluttony do you mean just lusting about food?) No, I don't mean lusting about food. However, a sedentary life can cause more than one meal a day to add weight on. I've experienced this in that my office is connected to my bedroom, so I don't have to travel to an office everyday to work. One meal a day has more calories than are necessary for sustainment in this situation. Brain power doesn't use many calories. I have found that simply walking 2 miles a day is enough exercise that more than one meal may be eaten for sustainment, but if I don't take this walk, it seems like one meal a day is too much. Gary had an interesting comment about daily bread. I'm thinking on that one. Now my question was, is it gluttony simply because one intakes more calories than he expends? Someone might look at someone that has a few extra pounds as being gluttonous, I suppose. I don't know. I'm asking. Izzy wrote: When you committed gluttony in March was that just once, or a recurring habit? One time thing, but the point was that this was leading me down the wrong road and the Lord stopped me in my tracks. Izzy wrote: How did you know that the Lord was chastising you? What did He do? I became sick... guess it was something like the flu. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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David, Seems to me that gluttony is the sin of food idolatry. I doubt that is your problem. :-) You, my DH, and I are just getting older (don't tell!) and not living the active life of a farmer. I'm probably the most active of the 3 of us, and still need to augment with daily doggie walks. I draw the line at making my muscles mad at me by using the ones I don't need for ADL's. (Activities of Daily Life) :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise Izzy wrote: How does one commit gluttony on only one meal/day? I don't know. That's what I was asking Gary. He seems to have a handle on this gluttony thing. I sure don't. Izzy wrote: It seems unlikely that in one meal you could consume more than your daily caloric needs. ( or by gluttony do you mean just lusting about food?) No, I don't mean lusting about food. However, a sedentary life can cause more than one meal a day to add weight on. I've experienced this in that my office is connected to my bedroom, so I don't have to travel to an office everyday to work. One meal a day has more calories than are necessary for sustainment in this situation. Brain power doesn't use many calories. I have found that simply walking 2 miles a day is enough exercise that more than one meal may be eaten for sustainment, but if I don't take this walk, it seems like one meal a day is too much. Gary had an interesting comment about daily bread. I'm thinking on that one. Now my question was, is it gluttony simply because one intakes more calories than he expends? Someone might look at someone that has a few extra pounds as being gluttonous, I suppose. I don't know. I'm asking. Izzy wrote: When you committed gluttony in March was that just once, or a recurring habit? One time thing, but the point was that this was leading me down the wrong road and the Lord stopped me in my tracks. Izzy wrote: How did you know that the Lord was chastising you? What did He do? I became sick... guess it was something like the flu. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Maybe g has a handle on it because he just spends his day exercising his body. I'm too busy for that! Balance, people, balance! Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Izzy wrote: How does one commit gluttony on only one meal/day? I don't know. That's what I was asking Gary. He seems to have a handle on this gluttony thing. I sure don't. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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gluttony entails 'overweight'--vice versa; it means consuming more[calories--in this case] than is necessary.. (e.g.) if gluttony is a function of covetousness (why not?), partic in an environment where starvation is a reality, too--and the overfed/overeaters are 40% while another 40% starve, thengluttons are in the position of (forced) covetousness where 'forced' relates to the 'force' of habit/habitually even stealing food from others.. and it easily becomes, as someone commented, a matter of 'policy'... even a political purpose to steal (e.g., food)...easily...from the (cyclical) starving...and use it as a political weapon..(e.g.) vs. 'oil' ftr, Republicans (like Iz) taught me to eat everything on my plate and load it up again from my own stove/refrig..groc store..Burger King..farm/s (land, rivers, lakes, highways, towns, harbors, refineries..)..bank account/s..stock portfolio/s..bomb factory/s.. but, ifwe pursue this far enough, DavidM,it'll become evident that all (inc Christian) politiciansthrive on certain margins of global corruption while (we the) people (conveniently 'think with there stomach/s' (another Dylan line)... which isinteresting in that JC--though he was a perceived glutton (he even said, 'the Son of man came eating and drinking')--often fasted... it mentions somewhere that he wentover a month without eating...could go days w/o food.. IOW, there all kinds of evidence that he took control of, responsibility for,his lifestyle--also, for us..he loved us.. and that's at the core of this issue, too; also, that it's obviously impossible totake this responsibility atan American voting booth...or even at an American church 'ye shall find rest for your souls' is eschatological--not a dream.. ..or a nightmare On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:12:16 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Gary. Do you think a person can be overweight and yet not be guilty of gluttony?
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David Miller wrote: Hey Gary. Do you think a person can be overweight and yet not be guilty of gluttony? Gary wrote: gluttony entails 'overweight'--vice versa; it means consuming more [calories--in this case] than is necessary. So does that mean your answer is no? It sounds like you are saying that if a person is overweight, then he is guilty of gluttony. Can you define overweight? According to some, your weight of 240 with 6'2 height would still be overweight. I don't agree with that, but I have seen it. I am of similar height, weigh about 225, and I am considered overweight by some. You mentioned Jesus being accused of gluttony, yet point to his fasting as evidence he was not a glutton. I have fasted for more than a month, and also for weeks at a time. I have power over my body to eat or not to eat. Yet, people can look at my weight and easily accuse me of gluttony I think. In fact, I find that fasting exasperates my weight. When I break a fast, my body seems to be finely conditioned now to store up fat as quickly as possible, perhaps because it is conditioned to expect the next fast to come along. That's why I found your daily bread comment interesting. Perhaps I would have less difficulty if I focused upon small regular meals rather than fasting two or three times a week. I don't know. I'm thinking out loud. Gary wrote: it's obviously impossible to take this responsibility at an American voting booth...or even at an American church Do you think voting is wrong? Can you share some of your political views? Do you consider yourself a socialist or communist? I've asked several times before but I don't remember you answering. Do you consider yourself a liberal democrat? Do you consider democracy to be a wrong ideology? Exactly how would you characterize yourself? Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:26:51 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Miller wrote:your weight of 240 with 6'2" height would still be overweight [*OW].I don't agree with that if you were to pitch against me, DavidM, you wouldn't think i'm *OW:)--nopitchers i play bb with think that,but more the opposite in terms of fit/physique..esp when they see one of their best pitches goin' ~400 feet outa the yard as has happened at least twice in different games this Spring BUT, if we--many of us--go to Somalia or Ethiopia or India they might wonder (to say the least) about our lifestyle/s and concerns.. e.g., any one here can tyr to imagine/think about being unable to choose what to eat..and/or feelin' proud/lucky/blessed,etc. (or like dancin' in the street:) if there'sa pot with some rice and/or chicken (and even water!) boilin' in it.. this kinda lifestyle scenario is what it translates to when 40% of us areOW on the planet, and 40% of us are flatass starvin.. isit our 'dream'or their 'nightmare'? (then the Marines (ftr, i was one in the artillery in the VN era) roll into town lookin' forpeople/stuff that no one can find while Haliburtons/Cheneys of the world, et. al., tell the starvin's gurus/dictators that they need a x-#-of-billion-$ contract to re-build what the Air Force just blew the hell out of so the tanks/cannons/troops couldroll in on eeaaasy street.. and that's called 'victory'..wheee long-time General so-and-so can retire now rofx666! You mentioned Jesus being accused of gluttony, yet point to his fasting as evidence he was not a glutton... i realize you saidyou're 'thinkin' out loud here' and i like it! but i didn't try to configure the comments, above, etc. about JC that tightly, your tendency as a rule is to algorhythmize everything:) (newword-eh?:).. anyway, it'sthe matter of howthe NT portrays JC, how he thinks of himself (his 'responsibilites', Iz) that captures my attention... he came here both 'eating and drinking', he said, and doin' that withsinful people perhaps like Bill Clinton (whom i never supported/voted for) it appears;but/yetJC (not Clinton rof) fasted alone on other occasions... i think a lot about what this means, e.g. he doesn't sound like a Hindu or a Catholic or an Evangelical rof ...whewy... Gary wrote:it's obviously impossible to take this responsibility at an American voting booth...or even at an American church [DavidM:] Do you think voting is wrong? it's like eating--hard to categorize NT-wise due to the role of e.g. Gentile self-interest cp. to the love of i.e. Jewish JC..neither eating*666 (partic 3 squares a day) nor voting*rof is a biblical duty..Izzy is definitely dizzy..didn't she just say she strives for 'balance'??? rofx666! gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com
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g, you need to spend less time reading Mein Kampf and perfecting your body, and more time reading the Word and perfecting your righteousness. Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:26:51 -0400 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Miller wrote: your weight of 240 with 6'2 height would still be overweight [*OW].I don't agree with that if you were to pitch against me, DavidM, you wouldn't think i'm *OW:)--nopitchers i play bb with think that,but more the opposite in terms of fit/physique..esp when they see one of their best pitches goin' ~400 feet outa the yard as has happened at least twice in different games this Spring BUT, if we--many of us--go to Somalia or Ethiopia or India they might wonder (to say the least) about our lifestyle/s and concerns.. e.g., any one here can tyr to imagine/think about being unable to choose what to eat..and/or feelin' proud/lucky/blessed,etc. (or like dancin' in the street:) if there'sa pot with some rice and/or chicken (and even water!) boilin' in it.. this kinda lifestyle scenario is what it translates to when 40% of us areOW on the planet, and 40% of us are flatass starvin.. isit our 'dream'or their 'nightmare'? (then the Marines (ftr, i was one in the artillery in the VN era) roll into town lookin' forpeople/stuff that no one can find while Haliburtons/Cheneys of the world, et. al., tell the starvin's gurus/dictators that they need a x-#-of-billion-$ contract to re-build what the Air Force just blew the hell out of so the tanks/cannons/troops couldroll in on eeaaasy street.. and that's called 'victory'..wheee long-time General so-and-so can retire now rofx666! You mentioned Jesus being accused of gluttony, yet point to his fasting as evidence he was not a glutton... i realize you saidyou're 'thinkin' out loud here' and i like it! but i didn't try to configure the comments, above, etc. about JC that tightly, your tendency as a rule is to algorhythmize everything:) (newword-eh?:).. anyway, it'sthe matter of howthe NT portrays JC, how he thinks of himself (his 'responsibilites', Iz) that captures my attention... he came here both 'eating and drinking', he said, and doin' that withsinful people perhaps like Bill Clinton (whom i never supported/voted for) it appears;but/yetJC (not Clinton rof) fasted alone on other occasions... i think a lot about what this means, e.g. he doesn't sound like a Hindu or a Catholic or an Evangelical rof ...whewy... Gary wrote: it's obviously impossible to take this responsibility at an American voting booth...or even at an American church [DavidM:] Do you think voting is wrong? it's like eating--hard to categorize NT-wise due to the role of e.g. Gentile self-interest cp. to the love of i.e. Jewish JC..neither eating*666 (partic 3 squares a day) nor voting*rof is a biblical duty..Izzy is definitely dizzy..didn't she just say she strives for 'balance'??? rofx666! gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com
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you're callin' mea perfection-ist..and a Nazi-ist, too, I guess...what's next--that I'm a 'slitherin' Mormon? (ftr, not even DaveH ever called me one of them! rof) gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:15:27 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: g, you need to spend less time reading Mein Kampf and perfecting your body, and more time reading the Word and perfecting your righteousness. Iz -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:26:51 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Miller wrote:your weight of 240 with 6'2" height would still be overweight [*OW].I don't agree with that if you were to pitch against me, DavidM, you wouldn't think i'm *OW:)--nopitchers i play bb with think that,but more the opposite in terms of fit/physique..esp when they see one of their best pitches goin' ~400 feet outa the yard as has happened at least twice in different games this Spring BUT, if we--many of us--go to Somalia or Ethiopia or India they might wonder (to say the least) about our lifestyle/s and concerns.. e.g., any one here can tyr to imagine/think about being unable to choose what to eat..and/or feelin' proud/lucky/blessed,etc. (or like dancin' in the street:) if there'sa pot with some rice and/or chicken (and even water!) boilin' in it.. this kinda lifestyle scenario is what it translates to when 40% of us areOW on the planet, and 40% of us are flatass starvin.. isit our 'dream'or their 'nightmare'? (then the Marines (ftr, i was one in the artillery in the VN era) roll into town lookin' forpeople/stuff that no one can find while Haliburtons/Cheneys of the world, et. al., tell the starvin's gurus/dictators that they need a x-#-of-billion-$ contract to re-build what the Air Force just blew the hell out of so the tanks/cannons/troops couldroll in on eeaaasy street.. and that's called 'victory'..wheee long-time General so-and-so can retire now rofx666! You mentioned Jesus being accused of gluttony, yet point to his fasting as evidence he was not a glutton... i realize you saidyou're 'thinkin' out loud here' and i like it! but i didn't try to configure the comments, above, etc. about JC that tightly, your tendency as a rule is to algorhythmize everything:) (newword-eh?:).. anyway, it'sthe matter of howthe NT portrays JC, how he thinks of himself (his 'responsibilites', Iz) that captures my attention... he came here both 'eating and drinking', he said, and doin' that withsinful people perhaps like Bill Clinton (whom i never supported/voted for) it appears;but/yetJC (not Clinton rof) fasted alone on other occasions... i think a lot about what this means, e.g. he doesn't sound like a Hindu or a Catholic or an Evangelical rof ...whewy... Gary wrote:it's obviously impossible to take this responsibility at an American voting booth...or even at an American church [DavidM:] Do you think voting is wrong? it's like eating--hard to categorize NT-wise due to the role of e.g. Gentile self-interest cp. to the love of i.e. Jewish JC..neither eating*666 (partic 3 squares a day) nor voting*rof is a biblical duty..Izzy is definitely dizzy..didn't she just say she strives for 'balance'??? rofx666! gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com
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How about slitherin socialist/Marxist/fascist/commie? J Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 4:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise you're callin' mea perfection-ist..and a Nazi-ist, too, I guess...what's next--that I'm a 'slitherin' Mormon? (ftr, not even DaveH ever called me one of them! rof) gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:15:27 -0500 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: g, you need to spend less time reading Mein Kampf and perfecting your body, and more time reading the Word and perfecting your righteousness. Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:26:51 -0400 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Miller wrote: your weight of 240 with 6'2 height would still be overweight [*OW].I don't agree with that if you were to pitch against me, DavidM, you wouldn't think i'm *OW:)--nopitchers i play bb with think that,but more the opposite in terms of fit/physique..esp when they see one of their best pitches goin' ~400 feet outa the yard as has happened at least twice in different games this Spring BUT, if we--many of us--go to Somalia or Ethiopia or India they might wonder (to say the least) about our lifestyle/s and concerns.. e.g., any one here can tyr to imagine/think about being unable to choose what to eat..and/or feelin' proud/lucky/blessed,etc. (or like dancin' in the street:) if there'sa pot with some rice and/or chicken (and even water!) boilin' in it.. this kinda lifestyle scenario is what it translates to when 40% of us areOW on the planet, and 40% of us are flatass starvin.. isit our 'dream'or their 'nightmare'? (then the Marines (ftr, i was one in the artillery in the VN era) roll into town lookin' forpeople/stuff that no one can find while Haliburtons/Cheneys of the world, et. al., tell the starvin's gurus/dictators that they need a x-#-of-billion-$ contract to re-build what the Air Force just blew the hell out of so the tanks/cannons/troops couldroll in on eeaaasy street.. and that's called 'victory'..wheee long-time General so-and-so can retire now rofx666! You mentioned Jesus being accused of gluttony, yet point to his fasting as evidence he was not a glutton... i realize you saidyou're 'thinkin' out loud here' and i like it! but i didn't try to configure the comments, above, etc. about JC that tightly, your tendency as a rule is to algorhythmize everything:) (newword-eh?:).. anyway, it'sthe matter of howthe NT portrays JC, how he thinks of himself (his 'responsibilites', Iz) that captures my attention... he came here both 'eating and drinking', he said, and doin' that withsinful people perhaps like Bill Clinton (whom i never supported/voted for) it appears;but/yetJC (not Clinton rof) fasted alone on other occasions... i think a lot about what this means, e.g. he doesn't sound like a Hindu or a Catholic or an Evangelical rof ...whewy... Gary wrote: it's obviously impossible to take this responsibility at an American voting booth...or even at an American church [DavidM:] Do you think voting is wrong? it's like eating--hard to categorize NT-wise due to the role of e.g. Gentile self-interest cp. to the love of i.e. Jewish JC..neither eating*666 (partic 3 squares a day) nor voting*rof is a biblical duty..Izzy is definitely dizzy..didn't she just say she strives for 'balance'??? rofx666! gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com
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ShieldsFamily wrote: How about slitherin? socialist/Marxist/fascist/commie?J Iz you're callin'me a perfection-ist..and a Nazi-ist, too, I guess...what's next--that I'm a 'slitherin' Mormon? (ftr, not even DaveH ever called me one of them! rof>) DAVEH: I guess I didn't want to offend the "slitherin' Mormons"! VBG> -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE.
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On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:44:32 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary wrote:this is exactly why (partic in valid NT counseling/preaching) to carefully establish NT/exegetical linkage betw obesity and gluttony (which is truthful/correct), not betw obesity and laziness/lack of exercise per se [DavidM:] This is an interesting comment that I would like to see you expound upon.How do you define gluttony and can you contrast that with "laziness/lack of exercise"? gluttony is both producing and consuming too much food (per person for us here); the excessive amount of food available(adversely) relates to the excess consumption;absolute supply given absolute demand still can't satisfy the producer or the consumer--the producer has to sell his food before it rots (or too cheaply); the consumer has to consume it all (as purchased) before it rots (or too fast)... || Do you consider laziness a sin on par with gluttony? gluttony and laziness is a wierd combination of activities--perhaps as is 'glutonny and exercise'; e.g., is a gluttonous person--an over-producer/over-consumer--really lazy? that's doubtful in my view.. || Am I perhapsmasking gluttony by exercising? it may be physically impossible toburn the calories of glutonny as described above.. || Should I cut down from one meal a day to perhaps one meal every other day if my inactivity warrants such.. no--biblically it's the daily manna and/or our daily bread inc the daily rhythm or seasonal pattern of eating exactly/only what's needed--quantity and quality--and,regardless if you can exercise or not, this is true; however, if you can exercise (train hard, the Ap Paul meant), it profits you some..you cantrain hard, though, like the pitcher CC Sabathia of the Cleveland Indians who is is a very good pitcher, but obese (not even by MLBaseball standards).. or would it be better to add more exercise to my list of things to do? the list of things to do is already too long...this is about where i get in trouble with (e.g.) Iz for political and economic irresponsibility/laziness...but i ranthat 'list' through the shredder..started taking salvation inchealing (e.g., Matt 11 and Jms 5)seriously...Isa 55, too..and prayin' the Lord's prayer, e.g., 'give us our daily bread'..does this make me a communist? || Just last night my wife was saying to me, "you spent all that time in biology and you are telling me you don't know howyou should eat"? what's her concept of salvation? gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com
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Hey Gary. Do you think a person can be overweight and yet not be guilty of gluttony? Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise
g, if you are worrying about a long list of things to do regarding being a responsible citizen, I can help. How long does it take to vote? (Not very!) Does it take too long to figure out HOW to vote? Heres a quick hint for you: Republican and No. Youll never go wrong, since No to more taxes/government is always your best bet, and the Worst Republican is better than the Best Democrat or anything else. So thats it in a nutshellgo forth and Vote! Iz -Original Message- the list of things to do is already too long...this is about where i get in trouble with (e.g.) Iz for political and economic irresponsibility/laziness...but i ranthat 'list' through the shredder..started taking salvation inchealing (e.g., Matt 11 and Jms 5)seriously...Isa 55, too..and prayin' the Lord's prayer, e.g., 'give us our daily bread'..does this make me a communist?
RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise
David, a couple of questions (if you don't mind me butting in!) How does one commit gluttony on only one meal/day? It seems unlikely that in one meal you could consume more than your daily caloric needs. ( or by gluttony do you mean just lusting about food?) When you committed gluttony in March was that just once, or a recurring habit? (Oh, please, don't tell me you ate an ice cream cone!) How did you know that the Lord was chastising you? What did He do? My DH (darling husband) is now trying to get us to reform in this area as well, and I am trying to prepare meals more wisely. He is also trying to get us to exercise more, but as for me just walking the dog and cleaning the house seems like enough! Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise Gary wrote: this is exactly why (partic in valid NT counseling/preaching) to carefully establish NT/exegetical linkage betw obesity and gluttony (which is truthful/correct), not betw obesity and laziness/lack of exercise per se This is an interesting comment that I would like to see you expound upon. How do you define gluttony and can you contrast that with laziness/lack of exercise? Do you consider laziness a sin on par with gluttony? This subject interests me because as a computer software developer, I don't get enough exercise during the regular course of the day unless I specifically exercise. In other words, I must set aside time to exercise, or my weight increases rather quickly. Am I perhaps masking gluttony by exercising? Should I cut down from one meal a day to perhaps one meal every other day if my inactivity warrants such, or would it be better to add more exercise to my list of things to do? I don't know if you remember last year, Gary, but gluttony is the sin that I committed in March of 2002. Gluttony is the thing which the Lord chastised me for. I am very cognizant that this is a weakness in me, and I am very much looking for a higher way. I don't pay a lot of attention to my personal nutrition. I feel like I just haphazardly go along. If I seem to be packing on some weight, I just stop eating or add more exercise. I've been thinking that perhaps I need to be more disciplined about it, but I'm not sure how to do it. When I was younger, I never had to think about it. My weight was always fine regardless of what I ate. As I now move past 43 years of age, I find my body much more sensitive to diet and exercise. It is time I learn how to properly address this aspect of my physical life, but with so many books out there and so many conflicting opinions, I'm not sure where to begin. Just last night my wife was saying to me, you spent all that time in biology and you are telling me you don't know how you should eat? Well, I was taught certain things which I don't trust, such as that pyramid with all the carbohydrates at the bottom. If I ate according to what I was taught, I believe I would be a huge blimp. Another thing I often think about is that in my biological studies, I learned how many animals change their diet through ontogeny. The young have a different kind of diet than the adults have. I think human beings might be kind of like this, but I don't see anyone considering that the kind of diet that would be best for children might be very different than what would be best for adults. I think treating children and adults the same might account for why obesity seems to be more of a problem for adults than for children. It is often referenced that the aged's metabolism slows down and accounts for this, but I truly wonder if that is the complete explanation. It seems to me that there is more to it than just that. Glenn wrote: Paul is not belittling exercise This is true. Whenever I have had the honor of working out with a fellow believer, I have sometimes quoted an abbreviated version of 1 Tim. 4:8 as a kind of motivational joke, well, you know what the Bible says, 'Bodily Exercise Profiteth!' Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise
While the Democratic party is made up mostly of liars and thieves and homosexuals and killers, there are some Christian independents with no party affiliation that are better choices than most republicans, who are also mostly liars and thieves. Terry the Worst Republican is better than the Best Democrat or anything else. So that’s it in a nutshell—go forth and Vote! Iz IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
