Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Kevin M.]

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 6:54 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> So now we’re just waiting for a video like that from Mel Gibson…
>

Sorry, he’s not sorry


> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 11:21 AM Kevin M. 
> wrote:
>
>> King Richard apologizes in a YouTube video
>>
>> https://youtu.be/jXrxDKwlA_s
>>
>> And takes the heat off his wife
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 7:48 PM Brad Beam  wrote:
>>
>>> In soap news:
>>> Alan Fletcher, who plays Dr Karl on the gone-in-August "Neighbours," has
>>> announced his alopecia diagnosis. (Per the Ramsay Street narrative,
>>> cheapskate Dr Karl used some dodgy hair-care product.)
>>>
>>> So after June 10, he's available for "GI Jane 2."
>>>
>>> https://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/neighbours/a40054413/neighbours-alan-fletcher-explains-hair-loss/
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 3:02:02 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:
>>>
 LA County DA passes on the deadly-weapon charge, but the suspect could
 still face a misdemeanor charge from the city...


 https://deadline.com/2022/05/dave-chappelle-attacked-onstage-hollywood-bowl-1235015840/
  (link)
B

 PGage, to Steve Timko and moi, May 4th:

> While this CNN story says the attacker had a gun and a knife, the AP
> story says it was a fake gun that had a knife inside it.
>
> https://apnews.com/article/8b49be83edd1b2329f277f01bf7e3382
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Tom Wolper]

So now we’re just waiting for a video like that from Mel Gibson…

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 11:21 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> King Richard apologizes in a YouTube video
>
> https://youtu.be/jXrxDKwlA_s
>
> And takes the heat off his wife
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 7:48 PM Brad Beam  wrote:
>
>> In soap news:
>> Alan Fletcher, who plays Dr Karl on the gone-in-August "Neighbours," has
>> announced his alopecia diagnosis. (Per the Ramsay Street narrative,
>> cheapskate Dr Karl used some dodgy hair-care product.)
>>
>> So after June 10, he's available for "GI Jane 2."
>>
>> https://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/neighbours/a40054413/neighbours-alan-fletcher-explains-hair-loss/
>>
>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 3:02:02 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:
>>
>>> LA County DA passes on the deadly-weapon charge, but the suspect could
>>> still face a misdemeanor charge from the city...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://deadline.com/2022/05/dave-chappelle-attacked-onstage-hollywood-bowl-1235015840/
>>>  (link)
>>>B
>>>
>>> PGage, to Steve Timko and moi, May 4th:
>>>
 While this CNN story says the attacker had a gun and a knife, the AP
 story says it was a fake gun that had a knife inside it.

 https://apnews.com/article/8b49be83edd1b2329f277f01bf7e3382

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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Kevin M.]

King Richard apologizes in a YouTube video

https://youtu.be/jXrxDKwlA_s

And takes the heat off his wife

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 7:48 PM Brad Beam  wrote:

> In soap news:
> Alan Fletcher, who plays Dr Karl on the gone-in-August "Neighbours," has
> announced his alopecia diagnosis. (Per the Ramsay Street narrative,
> cheapskate Dr Karl used some dodgy hair-care product.)
>
> So after June 10, he's available for "GI Jane 2."
>
> https://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/neighbours/a40054413/neighbours-alan-fletcher-explains-hair-loss/
>
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 3:02:02 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>> LA County DA passes on the deadly-weapon charge, but the suspect could
>> still face a misdemeanor charge from the city...
>>
>>
>> https://deadline.com/2022/05/dave-chappelle-attacked-onstage-hollywood-bowl-1235015840/
>>  (link)
>>B
>>
>> PGage, to Steve Timko and moi, May 4th:
>>
>>> While this CNN story says the attacker had a gun and a knife, the AP
>>> story says it was a fake gun that had a knife inside it.
>>>
>>> https://apnews.com/article/8b49be83edd1b2329f277f01bf7e3382
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Brad Beam]

In soap news:
Alan Fletcher, who plays Dr Karl on the gone-in-August "Neighbours," has 
announced his alopecia diagnosis. (Per the Ramsay Street narrative, 
cheapskate Dr Karl used some dodgy hair-care product.)

So after June 10, he's available for "GI Jane 2."
https://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/neighbours/a40054413/neighbours-alan-fletcher-explains-hair-loss/

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 3:02:02 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:

> LA County DA passes on the deadly-weapon charge, but the suspect could 
> still face a misdemeanor charge from the city...
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2022/05/dave-chappelle-attacked-onstage-hollywood-bowl-1235015840/
>  (link)  
>B
>
> PGage, to Steve Timko and moi, May 4th:
>
>> While this CNN story says the attacker had a gun and a knife, the AP 
>> story says it was a fake gun that had a knife inside it.
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/8b49be83edd1b2329f277f01bf7e3382
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

LA County DA passes on the deadly-weapon charge, but the suspect could 
still face a misdemeanor charge from the city...

https://deadline.com/2022/05/dave-chappelle-attacked-onstage-hollywood-bowl-1235015840/
 (link)  
   B

PGage, to Steve Timko and moi, May 4th:

> While this CNN story says the attacker had a gun and a knife, the AP story 
> says it was a fake gun that had a knife inside it.
>
> https://apnews.com/article/8b49be83edd1b2329f277f01bf7e3382
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Tom Wolper]

It was recorded before the Oscars. I’ll post the link in a new thread.

On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 1:13 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Will Smith is listed as one of Letterman’s guests on the next season of
> his Netflix series. Not sure if the interview occurred before or after the
> incident. If it’s after, gonna be a helluva gesture on Dave’s part to
> provide damage control.
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 7:33 AM Jim Ellwanger 
> wrote:
>
>> The Hollywood Bowl does screen the audience with metal detectors,
>> although they're less restrictive on items that can be brought in than
>> similar venues (as a result of the longtime tradition of bringing a picnic
>> to eat before a show and/or wine to drink during).
>>
>>
>> On May 4, 2022, at 6:31 AM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>> While this CNN story says the attacker had a gun and a knife, the AP
>> story says it was a fake gun that had a knife inside it.
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/8b49be83edd1b2329f277f01bf7e3382
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 6:19 AM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Chappelle attacked on stage at the Hollywood Bowl.
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/04/entertainment/dave-chappelle-hollywood-bowl-audience-video/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>> This supposed video of the attack
>>>
>>> https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdbHwMru/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, 4:09 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>>
 Will Smith resigns from the Academy.


 https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-smith-resigns-academy-oscars-slap-chris-rock-1235221041/

 On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 5:00 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
 tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Oscars producer Will Packer, in a preview of a GMA interview tomorrow
> (4/1), reveals that LAPD was at the ready were Rock to press charges... he
> did not speak with Smith...
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-packer-oscars-will-smith-lapd-chris-rock-slap-1235220517/
>  (link)
> The Academy's president and CEO Zoomed with Smith on Tuesday (3/29),
> sources told Variety, but apparently did not make mention of said meeting
> at an emergency Board of Governors meeting the following day...
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/oscars-will-smith-slap-chris-rock-academy-leaders-meeting-1235220084/
>  (link)
>B
>
> Moi, March 31st:
>
>> Back at the Oscars, when Rock actually got around to presenting the
>> stashoo for Best Documentary Film (to *Summer of Soul*), he called
>> Questlove's collaborators "white guys"... one of them, Joseph Patel, is
>> South Asian, and wasn't pleased, of course...
>>
>>
>> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/summer-of-soul-chris-rock-oscars-1235219657/
>>  (link)
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Kevin M.]

Will Smith is listed as one of Letterman’s guests on the next season of his
Netflix series. Not sure if the interview occurred before or after the
incident. If it’s after, gonna be a helluva gesture on Dave’s part to
provide damage control.

On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 7:33 AM Jim Ellwanger  wrote:

> The Hollywood Bowl does screen the audience with metal detectors, although
> they're less restrictive on items that can be brought in than similar
> venues (as a result of the longtime tradition of bringing a picnic to eat
> before a show and/or wine to drink during).
>
>
> On May 4, 2022, at 6:31 AM, PGage  wrote:
>
> While this CNN story says the attacker had a gun and a knife, the AP story
> says it was a fake gun that had a knife inside it.
>
> https://apnews.com/article/8b49be83edd1b2329f277f01bf7e3382
>
>
>
> On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 6:19 AM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Chappelle attacked on stage at the Hollywood Bowl.
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/04/entertainment/dave-chappelle-hollywood-bowl-audience-video/index.html
>>
>>
>> This supposed video of the attack
>>
>> https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdbHwMru/
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, 4:09 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> Will Smith resigns from the Academy.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-smith-resigns-academy-oscars-slap-chris-rock-1235221041/
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 5:00 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Oscars producer Will Packer, in a preview of a GMA interview tomorrow
 (4/1), reveals that LAPD was at the ready were Rock to press charges... he
 did not speak with Smith...
 https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-packer-oscars-will-smith-lapd-chris-rock-slap-1235220517/
  (link)
 The Academy's president and CEO Zoomed with Smith on Tuesday (3/29),
 sources told Variety, but apparently did not make mention of said meeting
 at an emergency Board of Governors meeting the following day...
 https://variety.com/2022/film/news/oscars-will-smith-slap-chris-rock-academy-leaders-meeting-1235220084/
  (link)
B

 Moi, March 31st:

> Back at the Oscars, when Rock actually got around to presenting the
> stashoo for Best Documentary Film (to *Summer of Soul*), he called
> Questlove's collaborators "white guys"... one of them, Joseph Patel, is
> South Asian, and wasn't pleased, of course...
>
>
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/summer-of-soul-chris-rock-oscars-1235219657/
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Jim Ellwanger]

The Hollywood Bowl does screen the audience with metal detectors, although 
they're less restrictive on items that can be brought in than similar venues 
(as a result of the longtime tradition of bringing a picnic to eat before a 
show and/or wine to drink during).


> On May 4, 2022, at 6:31 AM, PGage  wrote:
> 
> While this CNN story says the attacker had a gun and a knife, the AP story 
> says it was a fake gun that had a knife inside it.
> 
> https://apnews.com/article/8b49be83edd1b2329f277f01bf7e3382 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 6:19 AM Steve Timko  > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Chappelle attacked on stage at the Hollywood Bowl.
> https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/04/entertainment/dave-chappelle-hollywood-bowl-audience-video/index.html
>  
> 
> 
> 
> This supposed video of the attack
> 
> https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdbHwMru/ 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, 4:09 PM Steve Timko  > wrote:
> Will Smith resigns from the Academy.
> 
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-smith-resigns-academy-oscars-slap-chris-rock-1235221041/
>  
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 5:00 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
> Oscars producer Will Packer, in a preview of a GMA interview tomorrow (4/1), 
> reveals that LAPD was at the ready were Rock to press charges... he did not 
> speak with Smith...  
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-packer-oscars-will-smith-lapd-chris-rock-slap-1235220517/
>  
> 
>  (link)
> The Academy's president and CEO Zoomed with Smith on Tuesday (3/29), sources 
> told Variety, but apparently did not make mention of said meeting at an 
> emergency Board of Governors meeting the following day... 
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/oscars-will-smith-slap-chris-rock-academy-leaders-meeting-1235220084/
>  
> 
>  (link) B
> 
> Moi, March 31st:
> Back at the Oscars, when Rock actually got around to presenting the stashoo 
> for Best Documentary Film (to Summer of Soul), he called Questlove's 
> collaborators "white guys"... one of them, Joseph Patel, is South Asian, and 
> wasn't pleased, of course...
> 
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/summer-of-soul-chris-rock-oscars-1235219657/
>  
> 
>  (link)
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[PGage]

While this CNN story says the attacker had a gun and a knife, the AP story
says it was a fake gun that had a knife inside it.

https://apnews.com/article/8b49be83edd1b2329f277f01bf7e3382



On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 6:19 AM Steve Timko  wrote:

>
>
>
> Dave Chappelle attacked on stage at the Hollywood Bowl.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/04/entertainment/dave-chappelle-hollywood-bowl-audience-video/index.html
>
>
> This supposed video of the attack
>
> https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdbHwMru/
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, 4:09 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> Will Smith resigns from the Academy.
>>
>>
>> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-smith-resigns-academy-oscars-slap-chris-rock-1235221041/
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 5:00 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oscars producer Will Packer, in a preview of a GMA interview tomorrow
>>> (4/1), reveals that LAPD was at the ready were Rock to press charges... he
>>> did not speak with Smith...
>>> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-packer-oscars-will-smith-lapd-chris-rock-slap-1235220517/
>>>  (link)
>>> The Academy's president and CEO Zoomed with Smith on Tuesday (3/29),
>>> sources told Variety, but apparently did not make mention of said meeting
>>> at an emergency Board of Governors meeting the following day...
>>> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/oscars-will-smith-slap-chris-rock-academy-leaders-meeting-1235220084/
>>>  (link)
>>>B
>>>
>>> Moi, March 31st:
>>>
 Back at the Oscars, when Rock actually got around to presenting the
 stashoo for Best Documentary Film (to *Summer of Soul*), he called
 Questlove's collaborators "white guys"... one of them, Joseph Patel, is
 South Asian, and wasn't pleased, of course...


 https://variety.com/2022/film/news/summer-of-soul-chris-rock-oscars-1235219657/
  (link)

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[Steve Timko]

Dave Chappelle attacked on stage at the Hollywood Bowl.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/04/entertainment/dave-chappelle-hollywood-bowl-audience-video/index.html


This supposed video of the attack

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdbHwMru/


On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, 4:09 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Will Smith resigns from the Academy.
>
>
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-smith-resigns-academy-oscars-slap-chris-rock-1235221041/
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 5:00 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Oscars producer Will Packer, in a preview of a GMA interview tomorrow
>> (4/1), reveals that LAPD was at the ready were Rock to press charges... he
>> did not speak with Smith...
>> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-packer-oscars-will-smith-lapd-chris-rock-slap-1235220517/
>>  (link)
>> The Academy's president and CEO Zoomed with Smith on Tuesday (3/29),
>> sources told Variety, but apparently did not make mention of said meeting
>> at an emergency Board of Governors meeting the following day...
>> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/oscars-will-smith-slap-chris-rock-academy-leaders-meeting-1235220084/
>>  (link)
>>B
>>
>> Moi, March 31st:
>>
>>> Back at the Oscars, when Rock actually got around to presenting the
>>> stashoo for Best Documentary Film (to *Summer of Soul*), he called
>>> Questlove's collaborators "white guys"... one of them, Joseph Patel, is
>>> South Asian, and wasn't pleased, of course...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/summer-of-soul-chris-rock-oscars-1235219657/
>>>  (link)
>>>
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[Steve Timko]

Will Smith resigns from the Academy.

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-smith-resigns-academy-oscars-slap-chris-rock-1235221041/

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 5:00 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Oscars producer Will Packer, in a preview of a GMA interview tomorrow
> (4/1), reveals that LAPD was at the ready were Rock to press charges... he
> did not speak with Smith...
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-packer-oscars-will-smith-lapd-chris-rock-slap-1235220517/
>  (link)
> The Academy's president and CEO Zoomed with Smith on Tuesday (3/29),
> sources told Variety, but apparently did not make mention of said meeting
> at an emergency Board of Governors meeting the following day...
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/oscars-will-smith-slap-chris-rock-academy-leaders-meeting-1235220084/
>  (link)
>B
>
> Moi, March 31st:
>
>> Back at the Oscars, when Rock actually got around to presenting the
>> stashoo for Best Documentary Film (to *Summer of Soul*), he called
>> Questlove's collaborators "white guys"... one of them, Joseph Patel, is
>> South Asian, and wasn't pleased, of course...
>>
>>
>> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/summer-of-soul-chris-rock-oscars-1235219657/
>>  (link)
>>
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['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Oscars producer Will Packer, in a preview of a GMA interview tomorrow 
(4/1), reveals that LAPD was at the ready were Rock to press charges... he 
did not speak with Smith...  
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-packer-oscars-will-smith-lapd-chris-rock-slap-1235220517/
 (link)
The Academy's president and CEO Zoomed with Smith on Tuesday (3/29), 
sources told Variety, but apparently did not make mention of said meeting 
at an emergency Board of Governors meeting the following day... 
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/oscars-will-smith-slap-chris-rock-academy-leaders-meeting-1235220084/
 (link)  
   B

Moi, March 31st:

> Back at the Oscars, when Rock actually got around to presenting the 
> stashoo for Best Documentary Film (to *Summer of Soul*), he called 
> Questlove's collaborators "white guys"... one of them, Joseph Patel, is 
> South Asian, and wasn't pleased, of course...
>
>
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/summer-of-soul-chris-rock-oscars-1235219657/
>  (link)
>

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['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Back at the Oscars, when Rock actually got around to presenting the stashoo 
for Best Documentary Film (to *Summer of Soul*), he called Questlove's 
collaborators "white guys"... one of them, Joseph Patel, is South Asian, 
and wasn't pleased, of course...

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/summer-of-soul-chris-rock-oscars-1235219657/ 
(link)  
   B

Moi, March 31st:

> Rock resurfaces at a comedy show in Boston, said he's "still kind of 
> processing what happened," adding that when he does decide to talk about 
> it, it'll be "serious and funny.” 
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/chris-rock-responds-will-smith-oscars-slap-1235218763/
>  (link)

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Rock resurfaces at a comedy show in Boston, said he's "still kind of 
processing what happened," adding that when he does decide to talk about 
it, it'll be "serious and funny.” 
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/chris-rock-responds-will-smith-oscars-slap-1235218763/
 (link)  
   B

Moi, March 31st:

> The artist once known as Potter... doesn't give a f***... “I’m just so 
> already dramatically bored of hearing people’s opinions about it that I 
> just don’t want to be another opinion adding to it,” he told “Good Morning 
> Britain.”
>
> He also addressed a rumor about playing "Wolverine" and said lovely things 
> about Channing Tatum... 
> https://variety.com/2022/film/global/daniel-radcliffe-wolverine-the-slap-1235219759/
>  (link)
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The artist once known as Potter... doesn't give a f***... “I’m just so 
already dramatically bored of hearing people’s opinions about it that I 
just don’t want to be another opinion adding to it,” he told “Good Morning 
Britain.”

He also addressed a rumor about playing "Wolverine" and said lovely things 
about Channing Tatum... 
https://variety.com/2022/film/global/daniel-radcliffe-wolverine-the-slap-1235219759/
 (link)  
   B

Moi, March 30th:

> The Slap has even spawned a fake image, wherein some bozo Photoshopped a 
> skin-toned pad onto Rock's cheek.
>
>
> https://gizmodo.com/no-chris-rock-wasnt-wearing-a-pad-on-his-cheek-when-wi-1848718079
>  (link)
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The Slap has even spawned a fake image, wherein some bozo Photoshopped a 
skin-toned pad onto Rock's cheek.

https://gizmodo.com/no-chris-rock-wasnt-wearing-a-pad-on-his-cheek-when-wi-1848718079
 (link)

B

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[M-D November]

Which Batman? Keaton, Kilmer, Clooney, Conroy, Bale, Affleck or Pattinson?

On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 10:18:52 AM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> The Academy Investigation would be a good comedy sketch. Columbo, Bogart 
> as Marlowe, and Batman try to solve the crime.  
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 7:16 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The Academy investigation will take "a few weeks": 
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/academy-says-will-smith-inquiry-will-take-few-weeks-1235122214/
>>  (link)
>>
>> B
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[Kevin M.]

The Academy Investigation would be a good comedy sketch. Columbo, Bogart as
Marlowe, and Batman try to solve the crime.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 7:16 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The Academy investigation will take "a few weeks":
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/academy-says-will-smith-inquiry-will-take-few-weeks-1235122214/
>  (link)
>
> B
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The Academy investigation will take "a few weeks": 
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/academy-says-will-smith-inquiry-will-take-few-weeks-1235122214/
 (link)

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['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: "with a single petulant blow, (Smith) advocated 
violence, diminished women, insulted the entertainment industry, and 
perpetuated stereotypes about the Black community."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2022/03/29/kareem-abdul-jabbar-smiths-slap-perpetuated-stereotypes/7208765001/
 (link)

B

Brad Beam, March 29th:

> In case you were wondering:
> The real King Richard says only in self-defense.
> https://twitter.com/npr/status/1508839929320771599 
> 
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[Brad Beam]

In case you were wondering:
The real King Richard says only in self-defense.
https://twitter.com/npr/status/1508839929320771599

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2022, at 03:02, 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Suffice it to say, there's a lot going on under the surface here.
> 
> Not only do we have this: 
> https://people.com/style/jada-pinkett-smith-dont-give-2-craps-what-people-think-of-bald-head-before-2022-oscars/,
>  I also read a long and informative Twitter thread this morning examining how 
> slapping is a long-time Scientology technique used to maintain pecking order 
> and discipline. Cruise doesn't go that far, but substitutes screaming and 
> freezing out people.
> 
> Let's not let this shitshow distract us from the bigger message of the show: 
> it was probably the worst Oscarcast in history, with truly terrible writing, 
> the most inappropriate death reel imaginable (complete with a tribute to 
> Betty White, whose cinematic legacy will last a lifetime), and Schumer in a 
> Spider-Man suit and Hall feeling up actors substituting for virtually any 
> mention of the honorary Oscars* and craft awards.
> 
> (*Squeezing those mentions into ten seconds at the ass-end of the show does 
> not count.)
> 
> My only hope is that, in spite of the increased (though still crappy) 
> ratings, this might be the beginning of the end for this idiotic spectacle.
> 
> --Dave Sikula
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 9:07:49 PM UTC-7 PGage wrote:
>> So Matt Belloni is reporting that Rock did not know about the Alopecia. 
>> Combined with the report that the GI Jane joke was not in the script, Rock 
>> starts to look better and better. Maybe still nicer and smarter not to make 
>> a joke about a woman’s personal appearance, but not a case of knowingly 
>> making a joke about her medical condition. So Rock is genuinely confused by 
>> Smith’s overreaction.
>> 
>> Belloni also reports that there actually were discussions about removing 
>> Smith from the Hall during the commercial break, but they couldn’t make a 
>> decision, in large part worried about the optics if he refused to go 
>> willingly and they had images of white security guards dragging the biggest 
>> Black movie star out of the building. And what would Denzel and Tyler Perry 
>> have done?
>> 
>> https://puck.news/author/matthew-belloni/
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 12:36 PM PGage  wrote:
>>> So, it’s not clear to me that this “joke” went through that process. Rock 
>>> seemed to have been given a few minutes to do some material before he 
>>> announced the Documentary Award (already odd, since the show started with 
>>> probably two too many comics as hosts). I doubt Rock was doing jokes 
>>> written by show staff writers. During the first commercial break reports 
>>> came out that the show Producers had released a statement that the 
>>> interaction between Smith and Rock did not happen in rehearsal, which was 
>>> their way of saying it was a real slap at a time when for many it still was 
>>> not clear. But that does suggest that at least Rock did go through some 
>>> sort of walk through or rehearsal the day before.
>>> 
>>> I would like to find out if Rock had pre-written that GI Jane 2 joke in 
>>> advance (cleared or not at the rehearsal), because it seemed to me that it 
>>> was a more or less spontaneous riff he came up with in the moment, I 
>>> suspect to strike the next (small) blow in what had been a bit of an 
>>> ongoing feud. If true, this mitigates the crime IMO, as it makes it more 
>>> likely he did not know or think about the Alopecia or Jada’s reflections on 
>>> how emotionally painful it had been. Perhaps  he saw her when he came out, 
>>> assumed it was a fashion statement, and hit her with what otherwise would 
>>> be a minor blow. The first time Smith tells him to get Jada name out of his 
>>> mouth (an unfortunate idiomatic choice, judging by the nasty jokes on my 
>>> Twitter feed) Rock says: “it was just a GI Jane joke!”, and then appears to 
>>> be about to add something before he thinks better of it. I imagined he was 
>>> going to say something like: “Shit, if I I knew I was going to get slapped 
>>> anyway I would have told one of my real jokes about her.”
>>> 
>>> If he actually wrote the joke in advance, did it at rehearsal, had it 
>>> cleared by what was widely and proudly referred to as the first Black 
>>> production team in Oscar history, and nobody noticed or cared about the 
>>> reason for her baldness, then the Dickish rating on the joke goes way up.
>>> 
 On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 10:29 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
 Can’t help but think that all these shows have writers… multiple writers. 
 And producers… multiple producers. They all approved the joke. The sacred 
 “Academy” approved the joke. Is Will Smith going to slap all of them, too? 
 Will he also slap hundred for initially laughing at the joke? 
 
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 8:12 AM 'Bob Jersey' via 

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['Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV]

Suffice it to say, there's a lot going on under the surface here.

Not only do we have this: 
https://people.com/style/jada-pinkett-smith-dont-give-2-craps-what-people-think-of-bald-head-before-2022-oscars/,
 
I also read a long and informative Twitter thread this morning examining 
how slapping is a long-time Scientology technique used to maintain pecking 
order and discipline. Cruise doesn't go that far, but substitutes screaming 
and freezing out people.

Let's not let this shitshow distract us from the bigger message of the 
show: it was probably the worst Oscarcast in history, with truly terrible 
writing, the most inappropriate death reel imaginable (complete with a 
tribute to Betty White, whose cinematic legacy will last a lifetime), and 
Schumer in a Spider-Man suit and Hall feeling up actors substituting for 
virtually any mention of the honorary Oscars* and craft awards.

(*Squeezing those mentions into ten seconds at the ass-end of the show does 
not count.)

My only hope is that, in spite of the increased (though still crappy) 
ratings, this might be the beginning of the end for this idiotic spectacle.

--Dave Sikula



On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 9:07:49 PM UTC-7 PGage wrote:

> So Matt Belloni is reporting that Rock did not know about the Alopecia. 
> Combined with the report that the GI Jane joke was not in the script, Rock 
> starts to look better and better. Maybe still nicer and smarter not to make 
> a joke about a woman’s personal appearance, but not a case of knowingly 
> making a joke about her medical condition. So Rock is genuinely confused by 
> Smith’s overreaction.
>
> Belloni also reports that there actually were discussions about removing 
> Smith from the Hall during the commercial break, but they couldn’t make a 
> decision, in large part worried about the optics if he refused to go 
> willingly and they had images of white security guards dragging the biggest 
> Black movie star out of the building. And what would Denzel and Tyler Perry 
> have done?
>
> https://puck.news/author/matthew-belloni/
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 12:36 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> So, it’s not clear to me that this “joke” went through that process. Rock 
>> seemed to have been given a few minutes to do some material before he 
>> announced the Documentary Award (already odd, since the show started with 
>> probably two too many comics as hosts). I doubt Rock was doing jokes 
>> written by show staff writers. During the first commercial break reports 
>> came out that the show Producers had released a statement that the 
>> interaction between Smith and Rock did not happen in rehearsal, which was 
>> their way of saying it was a real slap at a time when for many it still was 
>> not clear. But that does suggest that at least Rock did go through some 
>> sort of walk through or rehearsal the day before.
>>
>> I would like to find out if Rock had pre-written that GI Jane 2 joke in 
>> advance (cleared or not at the rehearsal), because it seemed to me that it 
>> was a more or less spontaneous riff he came up with in the moment, I 
>> suspect to strike the next (small) blow in what had been a bit of an 
>> ongoing feud. If true, this mitigates the crime IMO, as it makes it more 
>> likely he did not know or think about the Alopecia or Jada’s reflections on 
>> how emotionally painful it had been. Perhaps  he saw her when he came out, 
>> assumed it was a fashion statement, and hit her with what otherwise would 
>> be a minor blow. The first time Smith tells him to get Jada name out of his 
>> mouth (an unfortunate idiomatic choice, judging by the nasty jokes on my 
>> Twitter feed) Rock says: “it was just a GI Jane joke!”, and then appears to 
>> be about to add something before he thinks better of it. I imagined he was 
>> going to say something like: “Shit, if I I knew I was going to get slapped 
>> anyway I would have told one of my real jokes about her.”
>>
>> If he actually wrote the joke in advance, did it at rehearsal, had it 
>> cleared by what was widely and proudly referred to as the first Black 
>> production team in Oscar history, and nobody noticed or cared about the 
>> reason for her baldness, then the Dickish rating on the joke goes way up.
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 10:29 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> Can’t help but think that all these shows have writers… multiple 
>>> writers. And producers… multiple producers. They all approved the joke. The 
>>> sacred “Academy” approved the joke. Is Will Smith going to slap all of 
>>> them, too? Will he also slap hundred for initially laughing at the joke? 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 8:12 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Sue T has no clues, either... I'll give her till 5.25pm east, which is 
 after Steve starts taping on a normal day. B

 Mark Jeffries, to Brad Beam and PGage, March 28th:

> Comedy shows this weekend--hell, what about tonight!  Comcast is still 
> running 

Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[PGage]

So Matt Belloni is reporting that Rock did not know about the Alopecia.
Combined with the report that the GI Jane joke was not in the script, Rock
starts to look better and better. Maybe still nicer and smarter not to make
a joke about a woman’s personal appearance, but not a case of knowingly
making a joke about her medical condition. So Rock is genuinely confused by
Smith’s overreaction.

Belloni also reports that there actually were discussions about removing
Smith from the Hall during the commercial break, but they couldn’t make a
decision, in large part worried about the optics if he refused to go
willingly and they had images of white security guards dragging the biggest
Black movie star out of the building. And what would Denzel and Tyler Perry
have done?

https://puck.news/author/matthew-belloni/


On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 12:36 PM PGage  wrote:

> So, it’s not clear to me that this “joke” went through that process. Rock
> seemed to have been given a few minutes to do some material before he
> announced the Documentary Award (already odd, since the show started with
> probably two too many comics as hosts). I doubt Rock was doing jokes
> written by show staff writers. During the first commercial break reports
> came out that the show Producers had released a statement that the
> interaction between Smith and Rock did not happen in rehearsal, which was
> their way of saying it was a real slap at a time when for many it still was
> not clear. But that does suggest that at least Rock did go through some
> sort of walk through or rehearsal the day before.
>
> I would like to find out if Rock had pre-written that GI Jane 2 joke in
> advance (cleared or not at the rehearsal), because it seemed to me that it
> was a more or less spontaneous riff he came up with in the moment, I
> suspect to strike the next (small) blow in what had been a bit of an
> ongoing feud. If true, this mitigates the crime IMO, as it makes it more
> likely he did not know or think about the Alopecia or Jada’s reflections on
> how emotionally painful it had been. Perhaps  he saw her when he came out,
> assumed it was a fashion statement, and hit her with what otherwise would
> be a minor blow. The first time Smith tells him to get Jada name out of his
> mouth (an unfortunate idiomatic choice, judging by the nasty jokes on my
> Twitter feed) Rock says: “it was just a GI Jane joke!”, and then appears to
> be about to add something before he thinks better of it. I imagined he was
> going to say something like: “Shit, if I I knew I was going to get slapped
> anyway I would have told one of my real jokes about her.”
>
> If he actually wrote the joke in advance, did it at rehearsal, had it
> cleared by what was widely and proudly referred to as the first Black
> production team in Oscar history, and nobody noticed or cared about the
> reason for her baldness, then the Dickish rating on the joke goes way up.
>
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 10:29 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Can’t help but think that all these shows have writers… multiple writers.
>> And producers… multiple producers. They all approved the joke. The sacred
>> “Academy” approved the joke. Is Will Smith going to slap all of them, too?
>> Will he also slap hundred for initially laughing at the joke?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 8:12 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sue T has no clues, either... I'll give her till 5.25pm east, which is
>>> after Steve starts taping on a normal day. B
>>>
>>> Mark Jeffries, to Brad Beam and PGage, March 28th:
>>>
 Comedy shows this weekend--hell, what about tonight!  Comcast is still
 running the generic description for Colbert for tonight, but I assume with
 the NCAA into the Elite Eight he will be back.  Kimmel is probably wishing
 that he was on last night in the post-Oscars slot instead of the "Idol"
 clip show.

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[PGage]

The apology is pretty good. It would have been better if given during his
acceptance speech last night*. He huddled with his PR advisor,  to clear if
she tried to get him to do this and failed, or encouraged him to try to
justify himself.

Even if he doesn’t mean it, it could be helpful in shutting down an
unfortunately large fraction (I hope still minor) of folks, many African
American, who are insisting respect for Black women required a violent
response.

*The more I think about it though, the more I think they should have asked
Smith to exit the Hall during that first commercial break, stashed him in a
back room, had the Director of the film accept his Oscar and give it to
him. I don’t blame them for not doing it, they had little time to think and
lots if factors to weigh. But it would have deprived him of the platform to
justify himself, provided some real penalty, and, most important, ensured
no further violence. It’s not impossible he could have hit someone else, or
spied Rock in the wings and gone after him.

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 4:48 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> The apology has occurred
>
>
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-smith-apologizes-chris-rock-slap-oscars-statement-1235216526/amp/
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:39 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:18 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> I like this TikTok.
>>>
>>> https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdm1DXcj/
>>>
>>
>> When I teach, I tend to make a lot of self deprecating remarks about my
>> lack of hair, my chubbiness, and my one good eye. When I taught at the film
>> school, one of my adult students was an Army vet who lost an eye in either
>> Iraq or Afghanistan. I didn’t think much about it until the break, when
>> this student approached me with a dour expression. Turned out he was angry
>> I was telling the one eyed jokes too fast for him to write them down, that
>> nobody he knew would joke about it and he really needed people around him
>> to lighten up. Not everybody uses dark humor like that, but to those who
>> can’t take a joke, lighten the f*ck up. This wasn’t a “bald people are
>> stupid” joke or a “bald people are the problem” joke. And even if it was,
>> nobody needed to get slapped over it.
>>
>>
>> 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 3:13 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>>
 Oh look, guess what subject Will Smith made a joke about?


 https://twitter.com/peter_okh/status/1508398125454704641?s=21=yTcyMkBxFWXiXPT-ZDwfsw


 On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:09 PM Kevin M. 
 wrote:

> Letterman weighs in
>
> https://fb.watch/c1WVZwSITS/
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:00 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Update: Steve's guests tonight are Chris Wallace (to talk about how
>> Chris Licht will do at CNN?), and Wilmer Valderrama (who was in
>> Oscar-winning *Encanto*)B
>>
>> Moi, to Mark Jeffries, March 28th:
>>
>>> Sue T has no clues, either... I'll give her till 5.25pm east, which
>>> is after Steve starts taping on a normal day. B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[PGage]

Your friend Bruce Vilanch is quoted in the NYT:

“And Bruce Vilanch, a past head writer of Oscars shows who did not work on
this year's, said: “Everything that is in the script is vetted. But if a
comedian comes out onstage and ad-libs something, there’s no time to vet.
I’m guessing that’s what happened last night. What I’m hearing from
everybody is that this was not the material that was rehearsed.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/movies/oscars-will-smith-slap-reactions.html?referringSource=articleShare



On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 6:51 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I have zero confidence in blind sources from a blog post, which — let’s
> face it — is what EW is now.
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 5:52 PM Brad Beam  wrote:
>
>> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Kevin M.
>>
>> *>*I have not worked the Oscars, but I’ve worked nearly every other
>> awards show, and been in or around the writers room for those. True, a
>> comic might submit a joke or two if he/she is presenting, but it is rare
>> and extremely rare that a joke is not rehearsed multiple times before the
>> live show. I’ll reach out to Bruce Vilanch on his Facebook, as he has
>> years of direct experience in those writers rooms. But I would say at the
>> very least there was collaboration between the room and Rock.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Entertainment Weekly *is reporting that the joke was not in the
>> original script. (The article sorta loses focus from there, ending with
>> Aunt Viv I supporting the slap.)
>>
>>
>> https://ew.com/awards/oscars/chris-rock-jada-pinkett-smith-joke-not-in-oscars-script/
>>
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I have zero confidence in blind sources from a blog post, which — let’s
face it — is what EW is now.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 5:52 PM Brad Beam  wrote:

> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Kevin M.
>
> *>*I have not worked the Oscars, but I’ve worked nearly every other
> awards show, and been in or around the writers room for those. True, a
> comic might submit a joke or two if he/she is presenting, but it is rare
> and extremely rare that a joke is not rehearsed multiple times before the
> live show. I’ll reach out to Bruce Vilanch on his Facebook, as he has
> years of direct experience in those writers rooms. But I would say at the
> very least there was collaboration between the room and Rock.
>
>
>
> *Entertainment Weekly *is reporting that the joke was not in the original
> script. (The article sorta loses focus from there, ending with Aunt Viv I
> supporting the slap.)
>
>
> https://ew.com/awards/oscars/chris-rock-jada-pinkett-smith-joke-not-in-oscars-script/
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RE: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Brad Beam]

From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin M.


>I have not worked the Oscars, but I’ve worked nearly every other awards show, 
>and been in or around the writers room for those. True, a comic might submit a 
>joke or two if he/she is presenting, but it is rare and extremely rare that a 
>joke is not rehearsed multiple times before the live show. I’ll reach out to 
>Bruce Vilanch on his Facebook, as he has years of direct experience in those 
>writers rooms. But I would say at the very least there was collaboration 
>between the room and Rock. 
 
Entertainment Weekly is reporting that the joke was not in the original script. 
(The article sorta loses focus from there, ending with Aunt Viv I supporting 
the slap.)
https://ew.com/awards/oscars/chris-rock-jada-pinkett-smith-joke-not-in-oscars-script/
 

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The apology has occurred

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-smith-apologizes-chris-rock-slap-oscars-statement-1235216526/amp/


On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:39 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:18 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> I like this TikTok.
>>
>> https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdm1DXcj/
>>
>
> When I teach, I tend to make a lot of self deprecating remarks about my
> lack of hair, my chubbiness, and my one good eye. When I taught at the film
> school, one of my adult students was an Army vet who lost an eye in either
> Iraq or Afghanistan. I didn’t think much about it until the break, when
> this student approached me with a dour expression. Turned out he was angry
> I was telling the one eyed jokes too fast for him to write them down, that
> nobody he knew would joke about it and he really needed people around him
> to lighten up. Not everybody uses dark humor like that, but to those who
> can’t take a joke, lighten the f*ck up. This wasn’t a “bald people are
> stupid” joke or a “bald people are the problem” joke. And even if it was,
> nobody needed to get slapped over it.
>
>
> 
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 3:13 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh look, guess what subject Will Smith made a joke about?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/peter_okh/status/1508398125454704641?s=21=yTcyMkBxFWXiXPT-ZDwfsw
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:09 PM Kevin M. 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Letterman weighs in

 https://fb.watch/c1WVZwSITS/


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 tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Update: Steve's guests tonight are Chris Wallace (to talk about how
> Chris Licht will do at CNN?), and Wilmer Valderrama (who was in
> Oscar-winning *Encanto*)B
>
> Moi, to Mark Jeffries, March 28th:
>
>> Sue T has no clues, either... I'll give her till 5.25pm east, which
>> is after Steve starts taping on a normal day. B
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On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:18 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> I like this TikTok.
>
> https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdm1DXcj/
>

When I teach, I tend to make a lot of self deprecating remarks about my
lack of hair, my chubbiness, and my one good eye. When I taught at the film
school, one of my adult students was an Army vet who lost an eye in either
Iraq or Afghanistan. I didn’t think much about it until the break, when
this student approached me with a dour expression. Turned out he was angry
I was telling the one eyed jokes too fast for him to write them down, that
nobody he knew would joke about it and he really needed people around him
to lighten up. Not everybody uses dark humor like that, but to those who
can’t take a joke, lighten the f*ck up. This wasn’t a “bald people are
stupid” joke or a “bald people are the problem” joke. And even if it was,
nobody needed to get slapped over it.



>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 3:13 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Oh look, guess what subject Will Smith made a joke about?
>>
>>
>> https://twitter.com/peter_okh/status/1508398125454704641?s=21=yTcyMkBxFWXiXPT-ZDwfsw
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:09 PM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Letterman weighs in
>>>
>>> https://fb.watch/c1WVZwSITS/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:00 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Update: Steve's guests tonight are Chris Wallace (to talk about how
 Chris Licht will do at CNN?), and Wilmer Valderrama (who was in
 Oscar-winning *Encanto*)B

 Moi, to Mark Jeffries, March 28th:

> Sue T has no clues, either... I'll give her till 5.25pm east, which is
> after Steve starts taping on a normal day. B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Steve Timko]

I like this TikTok.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdm1DXcj/

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 3:13 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Oh look, guess what subject Will Smith made a joke about?
>
>
> https://twitter.com/peter_okh/status/1508398125454704641?s=21=yTcyMkBxFWXiXPT-ZDwfsw
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:09 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Letterman weighs in
>>
>> https://fb.watch/c1WVZwSITS/
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:00 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Update: Steve's guests tonight are Chris Wallace (to talk about how
>>> Chris Licht will do at CNN?), and Wilmer Valderrama (who was in
>>> Oscar-winning *Encanto*)B
>>>
>>> Moi, to Mark Jeffries, March 28th:
>>>
 Sue T has no clues, either... I'll give her till 5.25pm east, which is
 after Steve starts taping on a normal day. B

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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Kevin M.]

Oh look, guess what subject Will Smith made a joke about?

https://twitter.com/peter_okh/status/1508398125454704641?s=21=yTcyMkBxFWXiXPT-ZDwfsw


On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:09 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

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>
> https://fb.watch/c1WVZwSITS/
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>> Licht will do at CNN?), and Wilmer Valderrama (who was in Oscar-winning
>> *Encanto*)B
>>
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>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Kevin M.]

Letterman weighs in

https://fb.watch/c1WVZwSITS/


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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

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Update: Steve's guests tonight are Chris Wallace (to talk about how Chris 
Licht will do at CNN?), and Wilmer Valderrama (who was in Oscar-winning 
*Encanto*)B

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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Kevin M.]

I have not worked the Oscars, but I’ve worked nearly every other awards
show, and been in or around the writers room for those. True, a comic might
submit a joke or two if he/she is presenting, but it is rare and extremely
rare that a joke is not rehearsed multiple times before the live show. I’ll
reach out to Bruce Vilanch on his Facebook, as he has years of direct
experience in those writers rooms. But I would say at the very least there
was collaboration between the room and Rock.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 12:37 PM PGage  wrote:

> So, it’s not clear to me that this “joke” went through that process. Rock
> seemed to have been given a few minutes to do some material before he
> announced the Documentary Award (already odd, since the show started with
> probably two too many comics as hosts). I doubt Rock was doing jokes
> written by show staff writers. During the first commercial break reports
> came out that the show Producers had released a statement that the
> interaction between Smith and Rock did not happen in rehearsal, which was
> their way of saying it was a real slap at a time when for many it still was
> not clear. But that does suggest that at least Rock did go through some
> sort of walk through or rehearsal the day before.
>
> I would like to find out if Rock had pre-written that GI Jane 2 joke in
> advance (cleared or not at the rehearsal), because it seemed to me that it
> was a more or less spontaneous riff he came up with in the moment, I
> suspect to strike the next (small) blow in what had been a bit of an
> ongoing feud. If true, this mitigates the crime IMO, as it makes it more
> likely he did not know or think about the Alopecia or Jada’s reflections on
> how emotionally painful it had been. Perhaps  he saw her when he came out,
> assumed it was a fashion statement, and hit her with what otherwise would
> be a minor blow. The first time Smith tells him to get Jada name out of his
> mouth (an unfortunate idiomatic choice, judging by the nasty jokes on my
> Twitter feed) Rock says: “it was just a GI Jane joke!”, and then appears to
> be about to add something before he thinks better of it. I imagined he was
> going to say something like: “Shit, if I I knew I was going to get slapped
> anyway I would have told one of my real jokes about her.”
>
> If he actually wrote the joke in advance, did it at rehearsal, had it
> cleared by what was widely and proudly referred to as the first Black
> production team in Oscar history, and nobody noticed or cared about the
> reason for her baldness, then the Dickish rating on the joke goes way up.
>
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 10:29 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Can’t help but think that all these shows have writers… multiple writers.
>> And producers… multiple producers. They all approved the joke. The sacred
>> “Academy” approved the joke. Is Will Smith going to slap all of them, too?
>> Will he also slap hundred for initially laughing at the joke?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 8:12 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sue T has no clues, either... I'll give her till 5.25pm east, which is
>>> after Steve starts taping on a normal day. B
>>>
>>> Mark Jeffries, to Brad Beam and PGage, March 28th:
>>>
 Comedy shows this weekend--hell, what about tonight!  Comcast is still
 running the generic description for Colbert for tonight, but I assume with
 the NCAA into the Elite Eight he will be back.  Kimmel is probably wishing
 that he was on last night in the post-Oscars slot instead of the "Idol"
 clip show.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

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So, it’s not clear to me that this “joke” went through that process. Rock
seemed to have been given a few minutes to do some material before he
announced the Documentary Award (already odd, since the show started with
probably two too many comics as hosts). I doubt Rock was doing jokes
written by show staff writers. During the first commercial break reports
came out that the show Producers had released a statement that the
interaction between Smith and Rock did not happen in rehearsal, which was
their way of saying it was a real slap at a time when for many it still was
not clear. But that does suggest that at least Rock did go through some
sort of walk through or rehearsal the day before.

I would like to find out if Rock had pre-written that GI Jane 2 joke in
advance (cleared or not at the rehearsal), because it seemed to me that it
was a more or less spontaneous riff he came up with in the moment, I
suspect to strike the next (small) blow in what had been a bit of an
ongoing feud. If true, this mitigates the crime IMO, as it makes it more
likely he did not know or think about the Alopecia or Jada’s reflections on
how emotionally painful it had been. Perhaps  he saw her when he came out,
assumed it was a fashion statement, and hit her with what otherwise would
be a minor blow. The first time Smith tells him to get Jada name out of his
mouth (an unfortunate idiomatic choice, judging by the nasty jokes on my
Twitter feed) Rock says: “it was just a GI Jane joke!”, and then appears to
be about to add something before he thinks better of it. I imagined he was
going to say something like: “Shit, if I I knew I was going to get slapped
anyway I would have told one of my real jokes about her.”

If he actually wrote the joke in advance, did it at rehearsal, had it
cleared by what was widely and proudly referred to as the first Black
production team in Oscar history, and nobody noticed or cared about the
reason for her baldness, then the Dickish rating on the joke goes way up.

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 10:29 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Can’t help but think that all these shows have writers… multiple writers.
> And producers… multiple producers. They all approved the joke. The sacred
> “Academy” approved the joke. Is Will Smith going to slap all of them, too?
> Will he also slap hundred for initially laughing at the joke?
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 8:12 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Sue T has no clues, either... I'll give her till 5.25pm east, which is
>> after Steve starts taping on a normal day. B
>>
>> Mark Jeffries, to Brad Beam and PGage, March 28th:
>>
>>> Comedy shows this weekend--hell, what about tonight!  Comcast is still
>>> running the generic description for Colbert for tonight, but I assume with
>>> the NCAA into the Elite Eight he will be back.  Kimmel is probably wishing
>>> that he was on last night in the post-Oscars slot instead of the "Idol"
>>> clip show.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

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Can’t help but think that all these shows have writers… multiple writers.
And producers… multiple producers. They all approved the joke. The sacred
“Academy” approved the joke. Is Will Smith going to slap all of them, too?
Will he also slap hundred for initially laughing at the joke?

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 8:12 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Sue T has no clues, either... I'll give her till 5.25pm east, which is
> after Steve starts taping on a normal day. B
>
> Mark Jeffries, to Brad Beam and PGage, March 28th:
>
>> Comedy shows this weekend--hell, what about tonight!  Comcast is still
>> running the generic description for Colbert for tonight, but I assume with
>> the NCAA into the Elite Eight he will be back.  Kimmel is probably wishing
>> that he was on last night in the post-Oscars slot instead of the "Idol"
>> clip show.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

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Sue T has no clues, either... I'll give her till 5.25pm east, which is 
after Steve starts taping on a normal day. B

Mark Jeffries, to Brad Beam and PGage, March 28th:

> Comedy shows this weekend--hell, what about tonight!  Comcast is still 
> running the generic description for Colbert for tonight, but I assume with 
> the NCAA into the Elite Eight he will be back.  Kimmel is probably wishing 
> that he was on last night in the post-Oscars slot instead of the "Idol" 
> clip show.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Brad Beam]

Still, I want to hear the mental gymnastics of “We should not censor our jokes 
to make people feel better” vs “But here’s a line we shouldn’t cross.”

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2022, at 10:02, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
> 
> 
> Comedy shows this weekend--hell, what about tonight!  Comcast is still 
> running the generic description for Colbert for tonight, but I assume with 
> the NCAA into the Elite Eight he will be back.  Kimmel is probably wishing 
> that he was on last night in the post-Oscars slot instead of the "Idol" clip 
> show.
> 
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 7:00 AM Brad Beam  wrote:
>> From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of PGage
>> 
>> 
>> >The moment was an almost perfect physical enactment of so-called cancel 
>> >culture.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This will make for interesting viewing this weekend on the comedy shows, as 
>> both Michael Che – who announced this weekend that he’s stepping down from 
>> the “Update” desk at the end of the season – and the collie buggerer on HBO 
>> are known for their disgust about  the PC-ness in comedy these days.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Meanwhile, the British are like, “Can Jimmy Carr host next year? Or at least 
>> present?”
>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Mark Jeffries]

Comedy shows this weekend--hell, what about tonight!  Comcast is still
running the generic description for Colbert for tonight, but I assume with
the NCAA into the Elite Eight he will be back.  Kimmel is probably wishing
that he was on last night in the post-Oscars slot instead of the "Idol"
clip show.

Mark Jeffries
spotligh...@gmail.com


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> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *PGage
>
> *>*The moment was an almost perfect physical enactment of so-called
> cancel culture.
>
>
>
> This will make for interesting viewing this weekend on the comedy shows,
> as both Michael Che – who announced this weekend that he’s stepping down
> from the “Update” desk at the end of the season – and the collie buggerer
> on HBO are known for their disgust about  the PC-ness in comedy these
> days.
>
>
>
> Meanwhile, the British are like, “Can Jimmy Carr host next year? Or at
> least present?”
>
>
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RE: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Brad Beam]

From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of PGage


>The moment was an almost perfect physical enactment of so-called cancel 
>culture.
 
This will make for interesting viewing this weekend on the comedy shows, as 
both Michael Che – who announced this weekend that he’s stepping down from the 
“Update” desk at the end of the season – and the collie buggerer on HBO are 
known for their disgust about  the PC-ness in comedy these days.
 
Meanwhile, the British are like, “Can Jimmy Carr host next year? Or at least 
present?”
 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Steve Timko]

There's a little bit of a Cosby-style hypocrisy here. The couple claimed to
be so moral in bringing up their kids yet seem to endorse violence.

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 9:46 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 10:44 PM Brad Beam  wrote:
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>> Don’t joke about Jada’s hair.
>>
>> https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1508270575902687232 (unexpurgated)
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> At least they can't complain nobody's talking about the Oscars.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

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On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 10:44 PM Brad Beam  wrote:

> Don’t joke about Jada’s hair.
>
> https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1508270575902687232 (unexpurgated)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[PGage]

The moment was an almost perfect physical enactment of so-called cancel
culture. Rock’s joke was A) Mean-spirited and B) kind of hack, and not that
funny. But instead of waiting to make a statement in an interview, or even
address it in what was almost certainly going to be his Best Actor
Acceptance Speech, Smith literally shuts his mouth. Rock was a Dick, but
Smith was an asshole, and his “Love will make you do crazy things” line in
his Acceptance speech did not rehabilitate him in my eyes.

It was also interesting to me that Smith used the character he was playing,
Richard Smith, as an excuse for his behavior. People didn’t just say
Richard was crazy, he really was crazy, and while he was also something of
a savant, that did not erase his assholitry.

All that said, after Denzel (I did see all the nominated best actors, and
never saw a performance that has stayed with me longer than his Macbeth)
Smith was most deserving of his Oscar.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 at 9:17 PM Brad Beam  wrote:

> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
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>
> *>*Jada has alopecia,a NDT has talked about how difficult it has been, so
> it was kind of a Dick move to joke about it. But Smith’s reaction was over
> the top, and technically criminal.
>
>
>
> I’ve reached out to Chris Rock on Twitter, offering myself – a “son of a
> bald” sufferer with a self-described Mr-T-photo-negative head – as a
> replacement focus. (I’ve also asked for exclusive use of Parkinson’s jokes
> on Dad, but my wheelchair-bound brother is on his own. Thanks, ADA!)
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RE: [TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

[Brad Beam]

From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of PGage


>Jada has alopecia,a NDT has talked about how difficult it has been, so it was 
>kind of a Dick move to joke about it. But Smith’s reaction was over the top, 
>and technically criminal.
 
I’ve reached out to Chris Rock on Twitter, offering myself – a “son of a bald” 
sufferer with a self-described Mr-T-photo-negative head – as a replacement 
focus. (I’ve also asked for exclusive use of Parkinson’s jokes on Dad, but my 
wheelchair-bound brother is on his own. Thanks, ADA!)
 

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[PGage]

Almost certainly not staged. We were in text contact with people inside who
said it was deadly quiet. Denzel had to talk Smith down during commercial
break.

Jada has alopecia,a NDT has talked about how difficult it has been, so it
was kind of a Dick move to joke about it. But Smith’s reaction was over the
top, and technically criminal.

There is history here, some years ago Rock joked about Jada calling for an
“Oscars so White” boycott (I think the punchline was something to do with
Will. It getting nominated for “Concussion”). Jada was not pleased.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 at 8:25 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
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> Something's way hinky about this, Rock and the Smiths have history I'm
> unaware of.
>
> Staged, maybe?
>
> David
>
> On Sunday, March 27, 2022, 07:47:35 PM PDT, Kevin M. <
> drunkbastar...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> If the Oscars had more celebrities punching each other, I would tune in.
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 7:44 PM Brad Beam  wrote:
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> Don’t joke about Jada’s hair.
>
> https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1508270575902687232 (unexpurgated)
>
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 Something's way hinky about this, Rock and the Smiths have history I'm unaware 
of.
Staged, maybe?
David

On Sunday, March 27, 2022, 07:47:35 PM PDT, Kevin M. 
 wrote:  
 
 If the Oscars had more celebrities punching each other, I would tune in. 
On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 7:44 PM Brad Beam  wrote:


Don’t joke about Jada’s hair.

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1508270575902687232 (unexpurgated)

 

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If the Oscars had more celebrities punching each other, I would tune in.

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[TV orNotTV] "King Richard" attacks court jester at Oscars

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Don't joke about Jada's hair.
https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1508270575902687232 (unexpurgated)
 
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