Re: [U2] BFORMAT
Allen: AE format allows the setting of margins, indenting and a whole lot more. FORMAT in ED has no options. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html The makers of XLr8Editor and XLr8Resizer products On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Allen Bell apb...@psiwav.com wrote: UniVerse has always had a format option built into the regular editor (ED). Toy just type in FORMAT AB ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
Allen: AE format allows the setting of margins, indenting and a whole lot more. FORMAT in ED has no options. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html The makers of XLr8Editor and XLr8Resizer products On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Allen Bell apb...@psiwav.com wrote: UniVerse has always had a format option built into the regular editor (ED). Toy just type in FORMAT AB ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
Anyone who is so anal as to require a change in setting of margins, indenting and a whole lot more is unlikely to be someone with whom I would enjoy spending time. AB On 11/29/2012 8:55 AM, Doug Averch wrote: Allen: AE format allows the setting of margins, indenting and a whole lot more. FORMAT in ED has no options. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html The makers of XLr8Editor and XLr8Resizer products On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Allen Bell apb...@psiwav.com wrote: UniVerse has always had a format option built into the regular editor (ED). Toy just type in FORMAT AB ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
I can see those settings being useful for printing out programs for documentation, but in today's printer Driver world, margins can be set outside the scope of the program - but if you don't have access to the Printer driver, then it would be nice to be able to set them, especially if your going to 3 hole punch the Output. George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Allen Bell Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:07 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] BFORMAT Anyone who is so anal as to require a change in setting of margins, indenting and a whole lot more is unlikely to be someone with whom I would enjoy spending time. AB ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
Seriously though, the original poster's question was whether anyone had the source code for a Format program. On UniVerse you will find the source code for both the FORMAT verb (which calls the FORMAT.BASIC subroutine in files BP and APP.PROGS. The fromnt end for the FORMAT and FANCY.FORMAT verbs are named FORMAT.B (this is where you would change the default parameters for margins, etc.) and the code in APP.PROGS is named FMT.BASIC.B. Yoou can change the source for either (or both) of those items to make them work whatever way you want. Just make sure you understand how to globally catalog them properly, particularly the one in APP.PROGS which must be globally cataloged as -FORMAT.BASIC The built in FORMAT (and FANCY.FORMAT) command from within ED will then work as you want or the version of the verb FORMAT from will work as you want. AB On 11/29/2012 9:07 AM, Allen Bell wrote: Anyone who is so anal as to require a change in setting of margins, indenting and a whole lot more is unlikely to be someone with whom I would enjoy spending time. AB On 11/29/2012 8:55 AM, Doug Averch wrote: Allen: AE format allows the setting of margins, indenting and a whole lot more. FORMAT in ED has no options. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html The makers of XLr8Editor and XLr8Resizer products On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Allen Bell apb...@psiwav.com wrote: UniVerse has always had a format option built into the regular editor (ED). Toy just type in FORMAT AB ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
H This doesn't sound logical to me. If your FORMAT output would be off the page because of margin settings, wouldn't everything you print to that printer from within UniVerse suffer the same problem? Anyway, this all seems way beyond the scope of the original poster's question. AB On 11/29/2012 9:16 AM, George Gallen wrote: I can see those settings being useful for printing out programs for documentation, but in today's printer Driver world, margins can be set outside the scope of the program - but if you don't have access to the Printer driver, then it would be nice to be able to set them, especially if your going to 3 hole punch the Output. George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Allen Bell Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:07 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] BFORMAT Anyone who is so anal as to require a change in setting of margins, indenting and a whole lot more is unlikely to be someone with whom I would enjoy spending time. AB ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
The default format options in ED are controlled in the ED.B program in the BP of the uv account. You can also setup your own Format program, without modding the FORMAT.B just by changing ED to call your special formatter instead of the -FORMAT.BASIC catalogued routine. There's some wacky stuff it's doing with memory in that ED program, I can't figure out what they are trying to do Of course it was originally written in 1992 as a port of the PI/Open Editor -Original Message- From: Allen Bell apb...@psiwav.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 7:26 am Subject: Re: [U2] BFORMAT Seriously though, the original poster's question was whether anyone had the source code for a Format program. On UniVerse you will find the source code for both the FORMAT verb (which calls the FORMAT.BASIC subroutine in files BP and APP.PROGS. The fromnt end for the FORMAT and FANCY.FORMAT verbs are named FORMAT.B (this is where you would change the default parameters for margins, etc.) and the code in APP.PROGS is named FMT.BASIC.B. Yoou can change the source for either (or both) of those items to make them work whatever way you want. Just make sure you understand how to globally catalog them properly, particularly the one in APP.PROGS which must be globally cataloged as -FORMAT.BASIC The built in FORMAT (and FANCY.FORMAT) command from within ED will then work as you want or the version of the verb FORMAT from will work as you want. AB On 11/29/2012 9:07 AM, Allen Bell wrote: Anyone who is so anal as to require a change in setting of margins, indenting and a whole lot more is unlikely to be someone with whom I would enjoy spending time. AB On 11/29/2012 8:55 AM, Doug Averch wrote: Allen: AE format allows the setting of margins, indenting and a whole lot more. FORMAT in ED has no options. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html The makers of XLr8Editor and XLr8Resizer products On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Allen Bell apb...@psiwav.com wrote: UniVerse has always had a format option built into the regular editor (ED). Toy just type in FORMAT AB ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
Hi, There's some wacky stuff it's doing with memory in that ED program, I can't figure out what they are trying to do Of course it was originally written in 1992 as a port of the PI/Open Editor I remember this being implemented from my days in PI/open development. It was all about performance when editing very large items. If the data was stored as a single dynamic array, processing is easy but becomes painfully slow with massive records. I recall comparing ED with another editor that did not break the data up in this way. When the data was over 100,000 lines long (I cannot remember what this huge item was), the performance difference was huge. Although processors are now a lot faster than when this was written over 20 years ago, the gains are still worth having. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems Ltd 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England +44 (0)1604-709200 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
Oh by the by. If you DO make any changes that what I or others are suggesting, then you MUST create instructions for What to do after a new Universe software install or after a new Server is setup Because everything is going to get set back to a default state. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 9:07 am Subject: Re: [U2] BFORMAT The default format options in ED are controlled in the ED.B program in the BP of the uv account. You can also setup your own Format program, without modding the FORMAT.B just by changing ED to call your special formatter instead of the -FORMAT.BASIC catalogued routine. There's some wacky stuff it's doing with memory in that ED program, I can't figure out what they are trying to do Of course it was originally written in 1992 as a port of the PI/Open Editor -Original Message- From: Allen Bell apb...@psiwav.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 7:26 am Subject: Re: [U2] BFORMAT Seriously though, the original poster's question was whether anyone had the source code for a Format program. On UniVerse you will find the source code for both the FORMAT verb (which calls the FORMAT.BASIC subroutine in files BP and APP.PROGS. The fromnt end for the FORMAT and FANCY.FORMAT verbs are named FORMAT.B (this is where you would change the default parameters for margins, etc.) and the code in APP.PROGS is named FMT.BASIC.B. Yoou can change the source for either (or both) of those items to make them work whatever way you want. Just make sure you understand how to globally catalog them properly, particularly the one in APP.PROGS which must be globally cataloged as -FORMAT.BASIC The built in FORMAT (and FANCY.FORMAT) command from within ED will then work as you want or the version of the verb FORMAT from will work as you want. AB On 11/29/2012 9:07 AM, Allen Bell wrote: Anyone who is so anal as to require a change in setting of margins, indenting and a whole lot more is unlikely to be someone with whom I would enjoy spending time. AB On 11/29/2012 8:55 AM, Doug Averch wrote: Allen: AE format allows the setting of margins, indenting and a whole lot more. FORMAT in ED has no options. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html The makers of XLr8Editor and XLr8Resizer products On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Allen Bell apb...@psiwav.com wrote: UniVerse has always had a format option built into the regular editor (ED). Toy just type in FORMAT AB ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
In today's world who prints out anything ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: 30 November 2012 4:16 a.m. To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] BFORMAT I can see those settings being useful for printing out programs for documentation, but in today's printer Driver world, margins can be set outside the scope of the program - but if you don't have access to the Printer driver, then it would be nice to be able to set them, especially if your going to 3 hole punch the Output. George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Allen Bell Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:07 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] BFORMAT Anyone who is so anal as to require a change in setting of margins, indenting and a whole lot more is unlikely to be someone with whom I would enjoy spending time. AB ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
Hi Use FORMAT command in AE (alternative editor) Example: FORMAT -MARGIN 6 -INDENT 3 Regards, Marco 2012/11/28 dennis bartlett dqbartl...@gmail.com Hi Does anybody have a working copy of BFORMAT - I downloaded it from some useful site a long time back and modded it to work for modern UniVerse, but somewhere along the line (one late night) I have introduced some bugs I don't have time to go fix.. so before I do, maybe someone out there already has a BASIC formatting program that will allow me to only have an indent of 2 spaces instead of the usual 6? Anyone? Thanks Dennis ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] [BDT] SQL Data Type Column
In the Rocket U2 Basic Developer ToolKit... how do I get the SQL data column to show? I have this column (and data field) on my main PC. When I installed BDT on another Windows machine... I am having trouble finding how to make this column (and field) appear. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
Yeah looking at the actual code that both FORMAT and ED call (not in AE) it doesn't have any arguments. So maybe using AE would be a good option, if someone can peer inside and confirm that it can take arguments like this. I don't see the code for AE in the BP file in uv, where is it? -Original Message- From: Marco Rojas Castro rojascastroma...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 11:24 am Subject: Re: [U2] BFORMAT Hi Use FORMAT command in AE (alternative editor) Example: FORMAT -MARGIN 6 -INDENT 3 Regards, Marco 2012/11/28 dennis bartlett dqbartl...@gmail.com Hi Does anybody have a working copy of BFORMAT - I downloaded it from some useful site a long time back and modded it to work for modern UniVerse, but somewhere along the line (one late night) I have introduced some bugs I don't have time to go fix.. so before I do, maybe someone out there already has a BASIC formatting program that will allow me to only have an indent of 2 spaces instead of the usual 6? Anyone? Thanks Dennis ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
By the way, I don't see why ED couldn't be easily modded to allow arguments to FORMAT. The main referrent is line 531, but the INPUT.LINE or ORIGINAL.CMD could be parsed to find the arguments -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 11:33 am Subject: Re: [U2] BFORMAT Yeah looking at the actual code that both FORMAT and ED call (not in AE) it doesn't have any arguments. So maybe using AE would be a good option, if someone can peer inside and confirm that it can take arguments like this. I don't see the code for AE in the BP file in uv, where is it? -Original Message- From: Marco Rojas Castro rojascastroma...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 11:24 am Subject: Re: [U2] BFORMAT Hi Use FORMAT command in AE (alternative editor) Example: FORMAT -MARGIN 6 -INDENT 3 Regards, Marco 2012/11/28 dennis bartlett dqbartl...@gmail.com Hi Does anybody have a working copy of BFORMAT - I downloaded it from some useful site a long time back and modded it to work for modern UniVerse, but somewhere along the line (one late night) I have introduced some bugs I don't have time to go fix.. so before I do, maybe someone out there already has a BASIC formatting program that will allow me to only have an indent of 2 spaces instead of the usual 6? Anyone? Thanks Dennis ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
Seriously though, the original poster's question was whether anyone had the source code for a Format program. On UniVerse you will find the source code for both the FORMAT verb (which calls the FORMAT.BASIC subroutine in files BP and APP.PROGS. The fromnt end for the FORMAT and FANCY.FORMAT verbs are named FORMAT.B (this is where you would change the default parameters for margins, etc.) and the code in APP.PROGS is named FMT.BASIC.B. Yoou can change the source for either (or both) of those items to make them work whatever way you want. Just make sure you understand how to globally catalog them properly, particularly the one in APP.PROGS which must be globally cataloged as -FORMAT.BASIC The built in FORMAT (and FANCY.FORMAT) command from within ED will then work as you want or the version of the verb FORMAT from will work as you want. Allen, this is a technical forum, therefore your propensity to be with me is irrelevant. Thank you for this detail - I didn't know this (grew up in other 'pick' systems - JBase,Revelation,tho sometime in history I worked in UniVerse). ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
Anyway, this all seems way beyond the scope of the original poster's question. *Original poster* has source code that goes way deep in if/then/else/case so that error messages end up off the page -- reducing the indent to 2, and starting at col 3 makes this better. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BFORMAT
Use FORMAT command in AE (alternative editor) Example: FORMAT -MARGIN 6 -INDENT 3 Awesome! Thanks, just what I need! ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
