Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
I think prime and vmark had done business together hence why the purchase - I remember back in 92/93 when we had a pair of prime 1920's (I think) running prime information, we then got a new prime unix box, that was actually a rebadged MIPS running Riscos, they said at the time that PI+ the new version of Information for unix was not quite ready but they would supply universe version 1 for free while they finished it off. Going from prime information to uv v1 was like taking a backward step, and we found a load of bugs in uv, esp with the locking tables, and deadlocks etc. Anyway we eventually got PI+ but I think it was just after that that Prime went out of business, we also used the CAD software, so we took the computervision CAD and ended up with PI+ but supplied by universe. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: 27 April 2013 14:54 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information On 27/04/13 05:26, Wjhonson wrote: Okay but let's just talk about 1990-1993 How did Computer Vision exactly get its hands on Prime Information ? This happened *before* the final bankruptcy of Prime? Or did somehow Prime sell or spin off Computer Vision with Prime Information as well? iirc they didn't. Computer Vision did a sort of reverse buyout, taking Prime's CAD business with it. INFORMATION was sold to Vmark, and the hardware business was sold to ?Pericom? That might be why Pr1mos has ended up in copyright limbo. There was a White Knight involved in this, so I'm guessing that the breakup and sale was along the lines of PI to Vmark, software to Computer Vision, and hardware and support to this other company. With the result that it wasn't clearly specified who got the copyrights to Pr1mos and now nobody can do much with it because they don't know who actually owns it... Enquiring minds want to know Well, I might not be much good at enlightening, but I was around as a customer when it all happened ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5776 - Release Date: 04/26/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Ah, I recall Prime small mini-tower (under the desk) ATT System V boxes too -the EXL 300 series which ran a re-branded version of UniVerse (PI/EXL I think). This was rolled out before the EXL 7000 series which were MIPS RISC/os based servers. I vaguely recall Prime was looking at Silicon Graphics and Sequent (the latter was bought by IBM) When PI/Open finally arrived it was great, but the loss of the Primos Batch subsystem and spooler was a bit of a culture shock and required some rewrites...Prime tried to port their Batch and Spooler products to UNIX (not that successfully as I recall!). UV at the time was a giant step backwards for Prime INFORMATION users in many respects but the catch the fact it got you off very old, slow expensive hardware. :) But even then they weren't cheap (by today's standards)... http://www.cbronline.com/news/prime_adds_to_exl_line_pick_netware_on_all_its_unix_kit For those interested the demise of Prime/CV is documented in these links partially documented here: http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/computervision-corporation-history/ I recall a story from some ex-Prime employees that ponder where Prime would be today...if only they purchased another company instead of Computervision...that company was Sun Microsystems... probably still in the same place! :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Monday, 29 April 2013 6:59 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information I think prime and vmark had done business together hence why the purchase - I remember back in 92/93 when we had a pair of prime 1920's (I think) running prime information, we then got a new prime unix box, that was actually a rebadged MIPS running Riscos, they said at the time that PI+ the new version of Information for unix was not quite ready but they would supply universe version 1 for free while they finished it off. Going from prime information to uv v1 was like taking a backward step, and we found a load of bugs in uv, esp with the locking tables, and deadlocks etc. Anyway we eventually got PI+ but I think it was just after that that Prime went out of business, we also used the CAD software, so we took the computervision CAD and ended up with PI+ but supplied by universe. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: 27 April 2013 14:54 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information On 27/04/13 05:26, Wjhonson wrote: Okay but let's just talk about 1990-1993 How did Computer Vision exactly get its hands on Prime Information ? This happened *before* the final bankruptcy of Prime? Or did somehow Prime sell or spin off Computer Vision with Prime Information as well? iirc they didn't. Computer Vision did a sort of reverse buyout, taking Prime's CAD business with it. INFORMATION was sold to Vmark, and the hardware business was sold to ?Pericom? That might be why Pr1mos has ended up in copyright limbo. There was a White Knight involved in this, so I'm guessing that the breakup and sale was along the lines of PI to Vmark, software to Computer Vision, and hardware and support to this other company. With the result that it wasn't clearly specified who got the copyrights to Pr1mos and now nobody can do much with it because they don't know who actually owns it... Enquiring minds want to know Well, I might not be much good at enlightening, but I was around as a customer when it all happened ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5776 - Release Date: 04/26/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE * This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. **
Re: [U2] [UV] RESIZE INPLACE
We actually do this with many of our big active files. Many benefits to distributed files when it comes to maintenance :) The file in question here is a deep archive file which will see little activity and, once it's sized properly, will *hopefully* never change again. Perry -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Manu Fernandes Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:46 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] RESIZE INPLACE Hi, Given the risk of manipulating a file of this size, I recommend the use of distributed files (DEFINE.DF). Just as effective, if not better, each part file is administered individually (backups, resizing, indexing, !accessing, locking,...) Procedure : 1 - analyse the keys to build a distribution algorythm ; at worst use hashing algorythm ; don't forget a elsewhere partnumber (1 ) 2 - create part files (define how many, size, ..., by analysing number key-records, time growing ,...) 3 - define distributed file ; DICT adress the original DICT 4 - copy all record from orig.file to df.file (do it one time before live to check if all keys can be processed by your algorythm) 5 - edit VOC orig.file to adress df.file as data file 6 - resize all part file individually. 7 - delete the orig.DATA file index from os ; to get back your 144gb My two pence manu -Message d'origine- De : u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] De la part de Perry Taylor Envoyé : jeudi 25 avril 2013 22:10 À : U2-Users List Objet : [U2] [UV] RESIZE INPLACE Before I go and resize a 144GB file has anyone had any experiences with the INPLACE option of RESIZE in UniVerse? Good, bad, ugly??? Thanks. Perry Perry Taylor Senior MV Architect ZirMed 888 West Market Street, Suite 400 Louisville, KY 40202 www.zirmed.comhttp://www.zirmed.com/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, any communications containing such material will be returned to the originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
What is the origin of Prime Information? How did that come about? The histories I've seen so far about Prime focus almost exclusively in the hardware. Who developed Information ? Why did they make it Pick like ? Where did they go ? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Prime Information was originally developed by Devcom I'm not sure what the name was at that time but I do know that Prime Computers bought them out and bought the rights from Pick to develop independently. Prime became a database powerhouse with the product at one time encompassing almost 50% of the database business in the US. From what I heard Vmark was a group of users of Prime Information that decided to go UNIX so they developed UniVerse borrowing much of the expertise from Prime to build a product that would ride on UNIX instead of Primos, Prime's operating system. They even took over some of the offices that Prime had on Speen Street. When Prime went under, don't ask why, at the end of the 80's, early 90's, Vmark bought Prime Information. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org From: wjhon...@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:03:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information What is the origin of Prime Information? How did that come about? The histories I've seen so far about Prime focus almost exclusively in the hardware. Who developed Information ? Why did they make it Pick like ? Where did they go ? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
