RE: [U2] Linux to Windows
Hi LeRoy If the partner is planning to implement on Windows boxes, the question is how much control they can get of the server. We run into problems where another application runs on the box, and I have had 10 minute jobs blow out to 45 minutes. It is important to ensure they have remote access to the box and they should look at using the remote administrator features of Win2003 that runs as a terminal server session. If they are going to implement in small business sites that do not have qualified IT support, and particularly over a large geographic base, they should really explore small business server (This is cheaper, easier to setup for non technical staff (and those with less windows experience) and there are a number of 3rd party consultants that can support this). An alternative to this is also to host the application centrally and allow customers to access the application through the internet through VPN. This is an area we are investigating and due to the nature of U2 this is easier to achieve than with other database products. Regards David Jordan Managing Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] DACONO Holdings Pty Ltd www.dacono.com.au PO Box 909 Lane Cove NSW 2066 Australia Phn: 61 2 9418 8320 Fax: 61 2 9427 2371 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Linux to Windows
Goo'day, David, This intrigues me: At 07:33 14/11/05 +1100, you wrote: Hi LeRoy snip An alternative to this is also to host the application centrally and allow customers to access the application through the internet through VPN. This is an area we are investigating and due to the nature of U2 this is easier to achieve than with other database products. In what way do you see either of the U2's permitting easier access via VPN? Regards David Jordan Managing Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] DACONO Holdings Pty Ltd www.dacono.com.au PO Box 909 Lane Cove NSW 2066 Australia Phn: 61 2 9418 8320 Fax: 61 2 9427 2371 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia http://www.taloncs.com.au Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Linux to Windows
I'd also suggest that they consider putting RealVNC (or similar) on the windows desktops to make life easier in terms of support. As others have said/implied, the biggest issues are likely to be with any OS calls/scripts that may be buried in the code, printer tape setup. None of these are showstoppers, and unless they are doing something really funky in Linux, scripts shouldn't be an issue We move freely back forth between Windows/Linux, and have a dual development environment. Obviously at the DB level there are no differences, and scripts can be handled easily by first finding, then exposing as common subroutine or program -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Results Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2005 6:00 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Linux to Windows Leroy, I choose Windows (XP in this case) because that's what I have on this laptop. I have to develop wherever I am to meet the deadlines on this project, so my laptop defines my options. Also, I'm working with Nucleus' GUI via Accuterm and Accuterm requires Windows. Without a second system, that means everything has to be on Windows. I've been working both sides of the street for so long that I don't see the pitfalls anymore. Other than my deep, deep, deep loathing for deploying printers under Linux (CUPS is one of the biggest reasons I *love* SMIT in AIX), I find deployment in both places easy. What I find is more critical than deployment is debugging. Once they get to Windows, they need to think about how they will support their customers going forward. They need some in-house expertise that can quickly suss out which problems are o/s, which are database, and which are application. I started out in tech support and I know how quickly a design or deployment choice can turn into a major shift in tech support demand. I'd suggest they get someone who knows Linux and Windows, so they can help bring the existing Linux people up to speed by 'speaking both languages.' that preserves the maximum value each of their current people can contribute in development and support. - Chuck Leroy Dreyfuss wrote: What about porting an app from Linux, which you have been using for a long time, to Windows, which you haven't used yet? That is the situation I am asking about. Did you encounter any issues doing that? Why did you choose Windows? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Linux to Windows
Hello group, If anyone has moved their U2-based solution from Linux to Windows, please contact me directly. I have a partner that is asking this question and would like to know if was difficult or not to do so, and whether or not you were successful. I will not be sharing names. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases [cid:_2_113C9694113C94400067EB67872570B7] Information Management Software Tel: 303-773-7783 Fax: 303-773-5915 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 656-7783 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Linux to Windows
LeRoy, Are you talking about Universe or Unidata? From what version to what version? Rgds, Dave Dave Taylor President Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (O) 310-544-1974 (P) 800-339-1497 (F) 310-377-3550 Your Source for Integrated EDI Translation and DataSync Integration www.sysmarkinfo.com - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: [U2] Linux to Windows Hello group, If anyone has moved their U2-based solution from Linux to Windows, please contact me directly. I have a partner that is asking this question and would like to know if was difficult or not to do so, and whether or not you were successful. I will not be sharing names. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases [cid:_2_113C9694113C94400067EB67872570B7] Information Management Software Tel: 303-773-7783 Fax: 303-773-5915 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 656-7783 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Linux to Windows
Leroy, I'm doing a conversion, using Nucleus, right now. We are freely moving software between Linux and Wndows during the development. Since we have UniVerse set up on both machines, we are just moving the content of files. It has been effortless and transparent. You can feel free to share my name. - Chuck Leroy Dreyfuss wrote: Hello group, If anyone has moved their U2-based solution from Linux to Windows, please contact me directly. I have a partner that is asking this question and would like to know if was difficult or not to do so, and whether or not you were successful. I will not be sharing names. - Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Linden Hill, NY 11354-0957 www.KeyAlly.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Linux to Windows
Hi Leroy, I did an upgrade on Manage-2000 (runs on Unidata) at the same time as moving from an alpha box running Unix to a four processor win-nt back in the 90's. The biggest issue was setting up printers and logons (and me learning NT). The reason *why* it was so easy was that there is this great product that allows Unix (and now Linux) scripts, commands - INCLUDING tars, to be run in a windows environment. http://www.mks.com/press/releases/040503a.shtml ROI (now owned by Epicor) had quite a few scripts written in Unix and using this tool there was really zero conversion issues other than the printers and logons. Really, the code changes from Manage-2000 version 6 to 6.2 was **much** more work (about a half a year). I am not affiliated with MKS in any way, shape, or form, so this is not an adver, but I do highly recommend anyone that wants to minimize their problems at least check this product out before rewriting all your scripts Almost forgot, there was the problem of NT and Unix having the high order bit flipped (or something like that) and I cannot remember for the life of me whether we used FTP to move the data, or Explorer and then run a utility to correct it. Just drawing a blank on that one... Allen www.tortillafc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Leroy Dreyfuss Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:56 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Linux to Windows Hello group, If anyone has moved their U2-based solution from Linux to Windows, please contact me directly. I have a partner that is asking this question and would like to know if was difficult or not to do so, and whether or not you were successful. I will not be sharing names. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases [cid:_2_113C9694113C94400067EB67872570B7] Information Management Software Tel: 303-773-7783 Fax: 303-773-5915 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 656-7783 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Linux to Windows
Hi LeRoy We moved a UniVerse application from Sun to Windows and had no problems. We avoid using and O/S functionality so our system is transportable from Windows, unix, linux. We use our own import and export utilities to move between platforms so we don't run into the bit order. With Windows 2003 there is a funny, where the RPC and telnet can suddenly drop out and to avoid it we set in Windows Services to make the services interactive with the desktop. Our application is not a transaction intensive system, but we do heavily use select lists and this seems to perform better on Windows than the Sun Box. The one thing we look forward to is for the UniVerse Administrator does not to have to be the administrator login, many large sites would prefer this to be case, particularly with server consolidation that is going on. Regards David Jordan Managing Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] DACONO Holdings Pty Ltd www.dacono.com.au PO Box 909 Lane Cove NSW 2066 Australia Phn: 61 2 9418 8320 Fax: 61 2 9427 2371 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leroy Dreyfuss Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2005 5:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Linux to Windows Hello group, If anyone has moved their U2-based solution from Linux to Windows, please contact me directly. I have a partner that is asking this question and would like to know if was difficult or not to do so, and whether or not you were successful. I will not be sharing names. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases [cid:_2_113C9694113C94400067EB67872570B7] Information Management Software Tel: 303-773-7783 Fax: 303-773-5915 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 656-7783 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Linux to Windows
Chuck, What about porting an app from Linux, which you have been using for a long time, to Windows, which you haven't used yet? That is the situation I am asking about. Did you encounter any issues doing that? Why did you choose Windows? Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases [cid:_2_0FFAAED80FFAACB00016B6FE872570B8] Information Management Software Tel: 303-773-7783 Fax: 303-773-5915 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 656-7783 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Results [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/12/2005 02:34 PM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject Re: [U2] Linux to Windows Leroy, I'm doing a conversion, using Nucleus, right now. We are freely moving software between Linux and Wndows during the development. Since we have UniVerse set up on both machines, we are just moving the content of files. It has been effortless and transparent. You can feel free to share my name. - Chuck Leroy Dreyfuss wrote: Hello group, If anyone has moved their U2-based solution from Linux to Windows, please contact me directly. I have a partner that is asking this question and would like to know if was difficult or not to do so, and whether or not you were successful. I will not be sharing names. - Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Linden Hill, NY 11354-0957 www.KeyAlly.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Linux to Windows
Dave, It doesn't matter which U2 database or version. The Linux the partner is using is RHEL3/4 and they are asking about Windows 2003. For the sake of argument, let's not look at anything less than 9.6.x. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases [cid:_2_0F5E55140F5E52C000168F05872570B8] Information Management Software Tel: 303-773-7783 Fax: 303-773-5915 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 656-7783 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Dave Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/12/2005 02:03 PM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject Re: [U2] Linux to Windows LeRoy, Are you talking about Universe or Unidata? From what version to what version? Rgds, Dave Dave Taylor President Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (O) 310-544-1974 (P) 800-339-1497 (F) 310-377-3550 Your Source for Integrated EDI Translation and DataSync Integration www.sysmarkinfo.com - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: [U2] Linux to Windows Hello group, If anyone has moved their U2-based solution from Linux to Windows, please contact me directly. I have a partner that is asking this question and would like to know if was difficult or not to do so, and whether or not you were successful. I will not be sharing names. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases [cid:_2_113C9694113C94400067EB67872570B7] Information Management Software Tel: 303-773-7783 Fax: 303-773-5915 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 656-7783 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Linux to Windows
Hi Allen, Thanks for the note. The partner would be deploying their application across hundreds, and eventually thousands, of sites. Because of this, MKS isn't an option. I have MKS myself, and I am really glad I do, but this partner has never developed under Windows before, nor have they deployed anything but a Windows desktop to their customers. This would be a change for them, and they are curious about any pitfalls. Thanks again. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases [cid:_2_0E7187740E71852000170A4D872570B8] Information Management Software Tel: 303-773-7783 Fax: 303-773-5915 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 656-7783 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Allen E. Elwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/12/2005 02:40 PM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject RE: [U2] Linux to Windows Hi Leroy, I did an upgrade on Manage-2000 (runs on Unidata) at the same time as moving from an alpha box running Unix to a four processor win-nt back in the 90's. The biggest issue was setting up printers and logons (and me learning NT). The reason *why* it was so easy was that there is this great product that allows Unix (and now Linux) scripts, commands - INCLUDING tars, to be run in a windows environment. http://www.mks.com/press/releases/040503a.shtml ROI (now owned by Epicor) had quite a few scripts written in Unix and using this tool there was really zero conversion issues other than the printers and logons. Really, the code changes from Manage-2000 version 6 to 6.2 was **much** more work (about a half a year). I am not affiliated with MKS in any way, shape, or form, so this is not an adver, but I do highly recommend anyone that wants to minimize their problems at least check this product out before rewriting all your scripts Almost forgot, there was the problem of NT and Unix having the high order bit flipped (or something like that) and I cannot remember for the life of me whether we used FTP to move the data, or Explorer and then run a utility to correct it. Just drawing a blank on that one... Allen www.tortillafc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Leroy Dreyfuss Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:56 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Linux to Windows Hello group, If anyone has moved their U2-based solution from Linux to Windows, please contact me directly. I have a partner that is asking this question and would like to know if was difficult or not to do so, and whether or not you were successful. I will not be sharing names. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases [cid:_2_113C9694113C94400067EB67872570B7] Information Management Software Tel: 303-773-7783 Fax: 303-773-5915 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 656-7783 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Linux to Windows
David, Thanks very much. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases [cid:_2_0B61A4340B61A1E000173825872570B8] Information Management Software Tel: 303-773-7783 Fax: 303-773-5915 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 656-7783 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 David Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/12/2005 08:19 PM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject RE: [U2] Linux to Windows Hi LeRoy We moved a UniVerse application from Sun to Windows and had no problems. We avoid using and O/S functionality so our system is transportable from Windows, unix, linux. We use our own import and export utilities to move between platforms so we don't run into the bit order. With Windows 2003 there is a funny, where the RPC and telnet can suddenly drop out and to avoid it we set in Windows Services to make the services interactive with the desktop. Our application is not a transaction intensive system, but we do heavily use select lists and this seems to perform better on Windows than the Sun Box. The one thing we look forward to is for the UniVerse Administrator does not to have to be the administrator login, many large sites would prefer this to be case, particularly with server consolidation that is going on. Regards David Jordan Managing Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] DACONO Holdings Pty Ltd www.dacono.com.au PO Box 909 Lane Cove NSW 2066 Australia Phn: 61 2 9418 8320 Fax: 61 2 9427 2371 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leroy Dreyfuss Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2005 5:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Linux to Windows Hello group, If anyone has moved their U2-based solution from Linux to Windows, please contact me directly. I have a partner that is asking this question and would like to know if was difficult or not to do so, and whether or not you were successful. I will not be sharing names. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases [cid:_2_113C9694113C94400067EB67872570B7] Information Management Software Tel: 303-773-7783 Fax: 303-773-5915 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 656-7783 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
