RE: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series] {Unclassified}
Hi Craig
I don't follow your issue. WebShare is the licensing for the client to
access the database server wherever the client is. The Web Server accesses
UniVerse through the WebShare and consumes the licenses appropriately.
Regards
David Jordan
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Craig:
Your right. I think you can get a webshare site license for $15,000 -
$20,000. But this doesn't help when you want to provide web services to
multiple clients who have our software on each of their machines because
RedBack is licensed at the dbms end not the web server end. :-(
Bill
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Bill,
If I figure correctly, a hundred webshares cost $150,000 at
$1,500 per
webshare retail!
my understanding is that each webshare can service 20-25
users and once you buy a certain number of webshares (my
memory says 11, but I could be
wrong) you are treated as having an unlimited number of shares.
Craig
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series] {Unclassified}
Speaking of license issues...
Today wasn't the best of days for us and it all started somewhere
around midnight (EDT). We suspect what happened was sometime around
Mar. 27th, our former unix administrator was freeing up some physical
disk space and move our /usr/ud subdirectory (UDTHOME). As most of you
know, anytime this directory is moved, Unidata's license becomes--for
whatever reason--corrupted forcing it to have to be relicensed within
30 days or 'udt' will stop running. Well, that's what happened to us,
we think. We were fortunately able to recover by running 'confprod'
and relicensing/authorizing Unidata. Redback on the other hand,
different scenario and the guys at IBM who are reading this can
probably vouch that I had a rough morning and early afternoon. Not so
fortunate, the end resolution to our RedBack licensing issues was to
reinstall RedBack...oh, did I mention this all happened in our prod
environment!!
Ok, making a long story short, DO NOT move /usr/ud unless you
absolutely know that you must relicense and if you unix administrator
does this sort of thing to your U2 environment, slap his wrist.
(stepping off my soap box now)
Andy
P.S. Could we let this thread die now? ;-)
On 4/26/05, David Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Craig
I don't follow your issue. WebShare is the licensing for the client to
access the database server wherever the client is. The Web Server accesses
UniVerse through the WebShare and consumes the licenses appropriately.
Regards
David Jordan
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{Unclassified}
Craig:
Your right. I think you can get a webshare site license for $15,000 -
$20,000. But this doesn't help when you want to provide web services to
multiple clients who have our software on each of their machines because
RedBack is licensed at the dbms end not the web server end. :-(
Bill
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Series] {Unclassified}
Bill,
If I figure correctly, a hundred webshares cost $150,000 at
$1,500 per
webshare retail!
my understanding is that each webshare can service 20-25
users and once you buy a certain number of webshares (my
memory says 11, but I could be
wrong) you are treated as having an unlimited number of shares.
Craig
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series] {Unclassified}
David,
I don't have an issue :) I was responding to Bill's comments about the
cost of redback. I think redback is great.
I also think IBM haven't really thought through MQ and MQ licence
implications properly. If they were to say iPhantoms use a licence so
whatever you do with iPhantoms you can be sure you are licensed
correctly I would feel comfortable; but the current answer from Leroy
seems to be If a user interactive application sends a request and
expects a response via MQ then it may be possible to violate your
licence. I can think of very few applications which aren't user
interactive at some point ... so how do I decide how to licence UV?
Craig
David Jordan wrote:
Hi Craig
I don't follow your issue. WebShare is the licensing for the client to
access the database server wherever the client is. The Web Server accesses
UniVerse through the WebShare and consumes the licenses appropriately.
Regards
David Jordan
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{Unclassified}
Craig:
Your right. I think you can get a webshare site license for $15,000 -
$20,000. But this doesn't help when you want to provide web services to
multiple clients who have our software on each of their machines because
RedBack is licensed at the dbms end not the web server end. :-(
Bill
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Series] {Unclassified}
Bill,
If I figure correctly, a hundred webshares cost $150,000 at
$1,500 per
webshare retail!
my understanding is that each webshare can service 20-25
users and once you buy a certain number of webshares (my
memory says 11, but I could be
wrong) you are treated as having an unlimited number of shares.
Craig
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RE: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series] {Unclassified}
David:
Remember, with an unlimited user CPU license there is no requirement for
pooling; as the connections don't run up against any licensing restrictions.
Bill
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[snipped]
RedBack does more than provide a pooling mechanism it also
handles scheduling, performance monitoring, status and other
facilities one would require for a pooling application which
is all included in the price.
With an SQL Server application, one would have to add that
functionality into the design of the client server
application which RedBack looks after for the developer.
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RE: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series] {Unclassified}
SQL Server is an environment. It has it's own scripting language
(T-SQL), and editor/manager (Enterprise Manager), so they are eminently
comparable (I don't know why you would need a programming language AND a
scripting language). I have not found it to be slower than Unidata in
any way, and it is certainly not less flexible (I have found nothing in
Unidata that cannot be done in SQL Server). Where SQL Server beats
Unidata hands down is support and resources. However, as for usage, I
think the differences are mainly cosmetic, depending on what a person is
used to. If cost is the main factor, then MySQL, Ingres, or Postgre are
all reliable open source db's.
JohnA
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SQL Server fans,
To be fair, UniVerse and UniData aren't just Datastores, they are
environments. SQL Server is a starting point. So, if you want to buy SQL
server, and buy or freeware a programing language, and buy or freeware a
scripting language, and buy or freeware an editor, etc... then you can
compare them. Additionally, SQL Server forces you to work exclusively in
first normal form, which is slower, creates bloated (comparatively) data
storage, and less flexible.
U2 is certainly not the cheapest solution, neither is it the most
expensive. If cost is the issue, there are databases that are even
cheaper than SQL Server. I've used MyBase for some small projects (no
cost to redistribute). Still, after 20 years, I find that U2, jBASE,
OpenInsight, and all the other multivalues end up cheaper than cobbling
together tools that aren't optimized for each other.
- Chuck Been Flat, Didn't Like It Barouch
Bill H. wrote:
Cliff:
With SQL Server, you also need one or two CAL's (Client Access
Licenses) per named user (not concurrent). Plus I believe the more
full-featured server versions are more expensive on the server side.
A quick look on Google and you'll find an SQL Server Enterprise for
$2,000 -
$5,000. This product is very inexpensive. It is an unlimited
client/device
licensing model for a defined number of CPUs.
Here's a pretty good whitepaper from Microsoft about the various costs
associated with SQL Server, Oracle, and DB2.
http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/0/a/10adfeca-48f4-4d89-949a-04
167d6
54b40/SQL_UnderstandingDBPricing.doc
This gives a small example of a price comparison:
Tier Features Sample ProductsPrice
FreeLimited database Microsoft SQL Desktop $ 0
functionality, Memory Engine (MSDE)
Limits, database size
limits, etc.
Basic Basic database function- MS SQL Server WkGrp Edition$ 500
-
ality, Basic security Oracle Std Edition One 5,000
Up to 2 CPUs DB2 Expressper
CPU
StdFull database function-MS SQL Server Std Edition $5,000
-
ality, Basic ManagementOracle Std Edition 15,000
Tools, Up to 4 CPUs DB2 WkGrp Edition per
CPU
Enterprise High availability MS SQL Server Enterprise
$20,000 -
Scalability Oracle Enterprise
40,000
High-end mgmt tools DB2 Enterprise per
CPU
Enterprise security
No CPU limit
As you can see a basic dbms access model over the web costs about $500
-
5,000 per CPU ! A full featured standard model costs about $5,000 -
15,000
per CPU. Of course, Microsoft products can be purchased from other
vendors
other than from Microsoft so significant discounts are available. In
the
above referenced paper, Microsoft also talks about additional costs
such as
support and service packs. Very interesting reading.
I am confident IBM is well aware of MS SQL and Oracle server
and client DB licensing models since DB2 plays in the same space.
And they've begun playing. I know way too many people using SQL Server
in
the small to medium business end of the market to accept the notion
that
Microsoft stinks. From what I learned it is excellent software at a
great
price. In fact, I've started using it myself for some conversions
we're
doing on our application.
Now all we have to do is get the U2 products priced reasonably and all
the
software mvDbms developers have developed over the years can be exposed
over
the web. :-)
Bill
...Bill H. wrote:
If I figure correctly, a hundred webshares cost $150,000 at
$1,500 per webshare retail!
Let's see...SQL Server unlimited site license (single CPU)
for $5,000. Sounds like this is an invitation to get off
the U2 products...or do I have this completely miscalculated?
Bill
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The answer here
Re: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series]
Leroy, I'm not trying to be obtuse here (and I don't mean to make you suffer, but I really think there is a contradiction between the technology and your licensing requirements). How do you decide when I have an application talking via MQ and when I am multiplexing a user-interactive application? If I create a service which says -- make this request and I'll give you a stock level for the product I could get requests from: A VB client. An SAP server. An apache webserver running mod perl. Our ERP system. If this was a popular query I might need 100 phantoms to service the request. Now how do I decide which are user interactive? costs a license. Indeed, MQ could be viewed as multiplexing type of technology, but the reality is that it's not practical to use MQ that way. Someone should tell IBM to change their MQ series courseware then. One of the example I built used MQ to service a queue in this manner (not the U2 stuff, it was all written in C). So, if you use MQ like a connection pool, that is not desirable performance-wise, Maybe/Maybe not, but it is a side issue to the licensing. Internet access can be slow but you don't mention that when licensing redback? and is a breach of your license agreement. But if you use it for applications to communicate (which is the purpose of MQ), you are not violating the license agreement. Applications would send messages back and forth as a result of something a user initiated and wasn't waiting for an answer. So you are saying that the MQ series functionality in U2, even though it supports the MQ GID and RID fields cannot be validly licenced to use a request response model and have more than one process servicing a queue unless perhaps a phantom starts, services a request and terminates (no wonder you don't like the performance). Instead you can only use MQ series from U2 in a send and forget model. Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series] {Unclassified}
Bill, If I figure correctly, a hundred webshares cost $150,000 at $1,500 per webshare retail! my understanding is that each webshare can service 20-25 users and once you buy a certain number of webshares (my memory says 11, but I could be wrong) you are treated as having an unlimited number of shares. Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series] {Unclassified}
Hi Craig
A webshare is a pooling license. It allows multiple queries against 1
UniVerse User. The number of users that can use a webshare are dependant on
performance of the application, ie it could be 5 to 1000. You purchase the
number of webshares required to achieve an acceptable level of performance
for the number of hits you will have against the database. It is not user
count dependent.
RedBack does more than provide a pooling mechanism it also handles
scheduling, performance monitoring, status and other facilities one would
require for a pooling application which is all included in the price.
With an SQL Server application, one would have to add that functionality
into the design of the client server application which RedBack looks after
for the developer.
Regards
David Jordan
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Bill,
If I figure correctly, a hundred webshares cost $150,000 at $1,500 per
webshare retail!
my understanding is that each webshare can service 20-25 users and once
you buy a certain number of webshares (my memory says 11, but I could be
wrong) you are treated as having an unlimited number of shares.
Craig
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series] {Unclassified}
SQL Server fans, To be fair, UniVerse and UniData aren't just Datastores, they are environments. SQL Server is a starting point. So, if you want to buy SQL server, and buy or freeware a programing language, and buy or freeware a scripting language, and buy or freeware an editor, etc... then you can compare them. Additionally, SQL Server forces you to work exclusively in first normal form, which is slower, creates bloated (comparatively) data storage, and less flexible. U2 is certainly not the cheapest solution, neither is it the most expensive. If cost is the issue, there are databases that are even cheaper than SQL Server. I've used MyBase for some small projects (no cost to redistribute). Still, after 20 years, I find that U2, jBASE, OpenInsight, and all the other multivalues end up cheaper than cobbling together tools that aren't optimized for each other. - Chuck Been Flat, Didn't Like It Barouch Bill H. wrote: Cliff: With SQL Server, you also need one or two CAL's (Client Access Licenses) per named user (not concurrent). Plus I believe the more full-featured server versions are more expensive on the server side. A quick look on Google and you'll find an SQL Server Enterprise for $2,000 - $5,000. This product is very inexpensive. It is an unlimited client/device licensing model for a defined number of CPUs. Here's a pretty good whitepaper from Microsoft about the various costs associated with SQL Server, Oracle, and DB2. http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/0/a/10adfeca-48f4-4d89-949a-04167d6 54b40/SQL_UnderstandingDBPricing.doc This gives a small example of a price comparison: Tier Features Sample ProductsPrice FreeLimited database Microsoft SQL Desktop $ 0 functionality, Memory Engine (MSDE) Limits, database size limits, etc. Basic Basic database function- MS SQL Server WkGrp Edition$ 500 - ality, Basic security Oracle Std Edition One 5,000 Up to 2 CPUs DB2 Expressper CPU StdFull database function-MS SQL Server Std Edition $5,000 - ality, Basic ManagementOracle Std Edition 15,000 Tools, Up to 4 CPUs DB2 WkGrp Edition per CPU Enterprise High availability MS SQL Server Enterprise $20,000 - Scalability Oracle Enterprise 40,000 High-end mgmt tools DB2 Enterprise per CPU Enterprise security No CPU limit As you can see a basic dbms access model over the web costs about $500 - 5,000 per CPU ! A full featured standard model costs about $5,000 - 15,000 per CPU. Of course, Microsoft products can be purchased from other vendors other than from Microsoft so significant discounts are available. In the above referenced paper, Microsoft also talks about additional costs such as support and service packs. Very interesting reading. I am confident IBM is well aware of MS SQL and Oracle server and client DB licensing models since DB2 plays in the same space. And they've begun playing. I know way too many people using SQL Server in the small to medium business end of the market to accept the notion that Microsoft stinks. From what I learned it is excellent software at a great price. In fact, I've started using it myself for some conversions we're doing on our application. Now all we have to do is get the U2 products priced reasonably and all the software mvDbms developers have developed over the years can be exposed over the web. :-) Bill ...Bill H. wrote: If I figure correctly, a hundred webshares cost $150,000 at $1,500 per webshare retail! Let's see...SQL Server unlimited site license (single CPU) for $5,000. Sounds like this is an invitation to get off the U2 products...or do I have this completely miscalculated? Bill -Original Message- from Leroy Dreyfuss The answer here is RedBack. It is designed for exactly this purpose. We have customers servicing millions of requests per day on a hundred or less Webshares. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series] {Unclassified}
Millions (plural) of DB requests per day will require serious infrastructure regardless of middleware platform. Plus there's always the last-day-of-quarter discount with IBM. 8-) With SQL Server, you also need one or two CAL's (Client Access Licenses) per named user (not concurrent). Plus I believe the more full-featured server versions are more expensive on the server side. I am confident IBM is well aware of MS SQL and Oracle server and client DB licensing models since DB2 plays in the same space. Leroy, thanks for providing some interpretation of current licensing terms and some scenarios. Could you please give us details (including pricing) for the forthcoming UniObjects pooling mechanism as soon as you are able? That, plus some detailed implementation scenarios, will let everyone on the list understand options in the near future. Regards, Cliff Bill H. wrote: If I figure correctly, a hundred webshares cost $150,000 at $1,500 per webshare retail! Let's see...SQL Server unlimited site license (single CPU) for $5,000. Sounds like this is an invitation to get off the U2 products...or do I have this completely miscalculated? Bill -Original Message- from Leroy Dreyfuss The answer here is RedBack. It is designed for exactly this purpose. We have customers servicing millions of requests per day on a hundred or less Webshares. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series]
In a message dated 4/22/2005 7:29:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, if you use MQ like a connection pool, that is not desirable performance-wise, and is a breach of your license agreement. But if you use it for applications to communicate (which is the purpose of MQ), you are not violating the license agreement. Applications would send messages back and forth as a result of something a user initiated and wasn't waiting for an answer. I fill in a form on a web page to view an invoice, I click submit and now I'm waiting for the invoice to pop up. So in this scenario I am waiting for an answer. So is IBM's position that the only valid engine that I can use is Redback? If so, then why weren't the other four providers at Spectrum served with papers? Thanks Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series]
LeRoy, Perhaps I don't fully understand your example, but I don't see the distinction here. If I have a webpage that sends a request to the U2 database (via any method mentioned in this thread) and waits for it's response then goes on with it's own life each web site vistor would only be using the database services for the duration of the request. Now if I have a service (phantom) that is trying to service these web requests it can only service one at a time. Stated another way only one web-user is accessing the database at a time. Are you saying that this violates the license? I can understand your position only if each of the web sessions maintains some kind of persistent connection to the database. A request/response messaging system should not violate the concurrent license restrictions. BTW, thank you for posting in this thread. I don't think I have seen another IBM person respond (if I missed one I apologize) Rich Taylor | Senior Programmer/Analyst| VERTIS 250 W. Pratt Street | Baltimore, MD 21201 P 410.361.8688 | F 410.528.0319 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.vertisinc.com Vertis is the premier provider of targeted advertising, media, and marketing services that drive consumers to marketers more effectively. The more they complicate the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain - Montgomery Scott NCC-1701 Craig, Since MQ is designed to be send and forget technology, and because you can have multiple listeners, there is nothing to stop you, and is, in fact, the purpose of the technology. However, remember that if you are using MQ as a means of users communicating with the database in the scenario you describe, you are using MQ as a de facto connection pool and violating your U2 license agreement if you don't have the equivalent number of U2 licenses that match the interactive users. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series] {Unclassified}
Cliff: With SQL Server, you also need one or two CAL's (Client Access Licenses) per named user (not concurrent). Plus I believe the more full-featured server versions are more expensive on the server side. A quick look on Google and you'll find an SQL Server Enterprise for $2,000 - $5,000. This product is very inexpensive. It is an unlimited client/device licensing model for a defined number of CPUs. Here's a pretty good whitepaper from Microsoft about the various costs associated with SQL Server, Oracle, and DB2. http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/0/a/10adfeca-48f4-4d89-949a-04167d6 54b40/SQL_UnderstandingDBPricing.doc This gives a small example of a price comparison: Tier Features Sample ProductsPrice Free Limited database Microsoft SQL Desktop $ 0 functionality, Memory Engine (MSDE) Limits, database size limits, etc. Basic Basic database function- MS SQL Server WkGrp Edition$ 500 - ality, Basic security Oracle Std Edition One 5,000 Up to 2 CPUs DB2 Expressper CPU StdFull database function-MS SQL Server Std Edition $5,000 - ality, Basic ManagementOracle Std Edition 15,000 Tools, Up to 4 CPUs DB2 WkGrp Edition per CPU Enterprise High availability MS SQL Server Enterprise $20,000 - Scalability Oracle Enterprise 40,000 High-end mgmt tools DB2 Enterprise per CPU Enterprise security No CPU limit As you can see a basic dbms access model over the web costs about $500 - 5,000 per CPU ! A full featured standard model costs about $5,000 - 15,000 per CPU. Of course, Microsoft products can be purchased from other vendors other than from Microsoft so significant discounts are available. In the above referenced paper, Microsoft also talks about additional costs such as support and service packs. Very interesting reading. I am confident IBM is well aware of MS SQL and Oracle server and client DB licensing models since DB2 plays in the same space. And they've begun playing. I know way too many people using SQL Server in the small to medium business end of the market to accept the notion that Microsoft stinks. From what I learned it is excellent software at a great price. In fact, I've started using it myself for some conversions we're doing on our application. Now all we have to do is get the U2 products priced reasonably and all the software mvDbms developers have developed over the years can be exposed over the web. :-) Bill ...Bill H. wrote: If I figure correctly, a hundred webshares cost $150,000 at $1,500 per webshare retail! Let's see...SQL Server unlimited site license (single CPU) for $5,000. Sounds like this is an invitation to get off the U2 products...or do I have this completely miscalculated? Bill -Original Message- from Leroy Dreyfuss The answer here is RedBack. It is designed for exactly this purpose. We have customers servicing millions of requests per day on a hundred or less Webshares. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series] {Unclassified}
What is the definition of a webshare ? Cliff Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Millions (plural) of DB requests per day will require serious infrastructure regardless of middleware platform. Plus there's always the last-day-of-quarter discount with IBM. 8-) With SQL Server, you also need one or two CAL's (Client Access Licenses) per named user (not concurrent). Plus I believe the more full-featured server versions are more expensive on the server side. I am confident IBM is well aware of MS SQL and Oracle server and client DB licensing models since DB2 plays in the same space. Leroy, thanks for providing some interpretation of current licensing terms and some scenarios. Could you please give us details (including pricing) for the forthcoming UniObjects pooling mechanism as soon as you are able? That, plus some detailed implementation scenarios, will let everyone on the list understand options in the near future. Regards, Cliff Bill H. wrote: If I figure correctly, a hundred webshares cost $150,000 at $1,500 per webshare retail! Let's see...SQL Server unlimited site license (single CPU) for $5,000. Sounds like this is an invitation to get off the U2 products...or do I have this completely miscalculated? Bill -Original Message- from Leroy Dreyfuss The answer here is RedBack. It is designed for exactly this purpose. We have customers servicing millions of requests per day on a hundred or less Webshares. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
