RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
Kevin Remember to check cron for all users with access to the unix shell, if it is a redhat system you can see which crontabs there are active by checking this folder : /var/spool/cron each crontab is named after the user, you need to be root to examine those files If the system is debian the folder is placed here : /var/spool/cron/crontabs all they need is shell access, even the one from the UV shell will give them ther possibility of creating a crontab I have a client system running UV 9.6 on Linux, and sometime between midnight and 4am in the morning, there's a job getting started that is horking up some data. I've checked cron and I'm not seeing anything getting started there, any other ideas where I should look? UV itself doesn't have a scheduler, does it? -Kevin Frie Funktion+AOY-rer - faglig organisation og tv+AOY-rfaglig a-kasse - www.f-f.dk *** Denne email og alle filer vedlagt som bilag kan indeholde fortroligt materiale, der kun er beregnet for adressaten, og maa ikke udleveres eller kopieres til uvedkommende. Har De ved en fejltagelse modtaget denne email, bedes De venligst omgaaende meddele os dette pr. telefon : 6313 8550. Paa forhaand tak. *** This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential information intended for the addressee(s) only. The information is not to be surrendered or copied to unauthorised persons. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone: +-45 6313 8550. Thank you. *** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
you could look in the PH file and maybe find some traces if the problem program is being run as a phantom. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:41 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? I have a client system running UV 9.6 on Linux, and sometime between midnight and 4am in the morning, there's a job getting started that is horking up some data. I've checked cron and I'm not seeing anything getting started there, any other ideas where I should look? UV itself doesn't have a scheduler, does it? -Kevin HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
If you were on UV 10, I'd say put an update trigger on the file and watch what / who's doing it .. -Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:41 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? I have a client system running UV 9.6 on Linux, and sometime between midnight and 4am in the morning, there's a job getting started that is horking up some data. I've checked cron and I'm not seeing anything getting started there, any other ideas where I should look? UV itself doesn't have a scheduler, does it? -Kevin HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
cd /etc grep -r programname * Glen http://mvdevcentral.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:41 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? I have a client system running UV 9.6 on Linux, and sometime between midnight and 4am in the morning, there's a job getting started that is horking up some data. I've checked cron and I'm not seeing anything getting started there, any other ideas where I should look? UV itself doesn't have a scheduler, does it? -Kevin HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
Hey Kev, No, there isn't a native UV scheduler. But I would guess that most shops have a roll-your-own job scheduler of some kind. I know we have one here that was built in-house. HTH, Gordon Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/23/2005 03:41:29 PM: I have a client system running UV 9.6 on Linux, and sometime between midnight and 4am in the morning, there's a job getting started that is horking up some data. I've checked cron and I'm not seeing anything getting started there, any other ideas where I should look? UV itself doesn't have a scheduler, does it? -Kevin HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
Could it be a SLEEP'ed process? I haven't figured out how to catch it yet, but that is the only scheduler like process I know of within UV. Tom Dodds [EMAIL PROTECTED] 630-235-2975 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:41 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? I have a client system running UV 9.6 on Linux, and sometime between midnight and 4am in the morning, there's a job getting started that is horking up some data. I've checked cron and I'm not seeing anything getting started there, any other ideas where I should look? UV itself doesn't have a scheduler, does it? -Kevin HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
Two nations, divided by a single language...(or maybe it's just my age) UV doesn't have a scheduler as such, but there's any number of ways to implement one - at the simplest level, Phantom a process to sleep till 3 am, do something and Phantom itself again. You could try using cron to do a ps -ef | grep uv or PORT.STATUS every [nn secs] between midnight and 6 am to see what changes. Pretty simplistic approach which will work well if you're expecting the system to be sound asleep, less well if they kick off a couple of hundred batch jobs during that time. In general though, whatever process is doing the horking is either running (but sleeping) at 23:00, or being kicked off by another process that is. If you've eliminated cron have a look at whatever else is running around 23:00, especially if it involves uv - can you explain what each is doing ? Perhaps post the output from ps -ef at 23:00 here ( maybe even add a technical definition of horking for the more backward nations between you and continental Europe) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: 23 May 2005 20:41 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? I have a client system running UV 9.6 on Linux, and sometime between midnight and 4am in the morning, there's a job getting started that is horking up some data. I've checked cron and I'm not seeing anything getting started there, any other ideas where I should look? UV itself doesn't have a scheduler, does it? -Kevin HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
Which, at 9.6, makes this advice completely not applicable... :-) I completely agree, I wish it was UV10, but... -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Mongiovi Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:49 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? If you were on UV 10, I'd say put an update trigger on the file and watch what / who's doing it .. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
But I don't know the program name, that's what I'm trying to find! :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen B Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:57 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? cd /etc grep -r programname * Glen http://mvdevcentral.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
We, also, have a UV scheduler that isn't native to UV. Another thing you might check for is if you have some kind of day-end process that is kicked off manually. We have a day and night shift and when the night shift is done, they kick-off a day end posting process that runs for a number of hours, and hopefully is done by the time Day shift comes in. In our case, it does a number of once-a-day processes, but not as phantoms. HTH BobW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon J Glorfield Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:11 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? Hey Kev, No, there isn't a native UV scheduler. But I would guess that most shops have a roll-your-own job scheduler of some kind. I know we have one here that was built in-house. HTH, Gordon Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/23/2005 03:41:29 PM: I have a client system running UV 9.6 on Linux, and sometime between midnight and 4am in the morning, there's a job getting started that is horking up some data. I've checked cron and I'm not seeing anything getting started there, any other ideas where I should look? UV itself doesn't have a scheduler, does it? -Kevin HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
That's a great idea, but this client has a pretty dirty PH ( 4 items) and I just don't even know where to start considering I know the name of the file being affected but nothing else. Maybe the first place to start is getting permission to clean this file? -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Clark Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:48 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? you could look in the PH file and maybe find some traces if the problem program is being run as a phantom. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:41 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? I have a client system running UV 9.6 on Linux, and sometime between midnight and 4am in the morning, there's a job getting started that is horking up some data. I've checked cron and I'm not seeing anything getting started there, any other ideas where I should look? UV itself doesn't have a scheduler, does it? -Kevin HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
You can start a phantom job from a proc or paragraph that has a sleep in it. Or, it is possible, if someone can get to the op level, to start a cron of their own. - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? Could it be a SLEEP'ed process? I haven't figured out how to catch it yet, but that is the only scheduler like process I know of within UV. Tom Dodds [EMAIL PROTECTED] 630-235-2975 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:41 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? I have a client system running UV 9.6 on Linux, and sometime between midnight and 4am in the morning, there's a job getting started that is horking up some data. I've checked cron and I'm not seeing anything getting started there, any other ideas where I should look? UV itself doesn't have a scheduler, does it? -Kevin HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
My apologies for the vernacular. Horking, from the made up word hork meaning to damage. -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
Backup job? Some batch processing happening that someone forgot to stop if/when things changed? Sending or recieving data from another system source? Listening for incoming data via some process from some other system and maybe that other system itself goes down for backups or maintenance or some such thing? Is there email on this system?Midnight to 4 or 5 AM is Prime Spammer Time. Or Hacker time. Got all your security and functionality updates applied? Oops. LINUX. You could download and install a system wide performance monitoring product then trace all processes on the system and see what process does exactly what, with what resourcesand when. www.deltek.us Oops. LINUX. Setup your own cron job that wakes up every 10 or 15 minutes, captures varioss system snaps shots (ps -ef $OUTPUT.txt type of thing) and see what processes are doing during those hours. Sasser type viruses, if on any client PC in the network, can send out a ton of network jibberish trying to find any client or server it can hack its way into. Pick a night and stay late and watch things personally, or connect in remotely. Sorry - Just several possible random thoughts to help stimulate some brain cell activity. - Original Message - From: Kevin King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:41 PM Subject: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? I have a client system running UV 9.6 on Linux, and sometime between midnight and 4am in the morning, there's a job getting started that is horking up some data. I've checked cron and I'm not seeing anything getting started there, any other ideas where I should look? UV itself doesn't have a scheduler, does it? -Kevin HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
Cron jobs can run as virtually any user. Have you checked ALL the crontabs in /var/spool/cron/ ? Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services - Original Message - From: Kevin King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:41 PM Subject: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? I have a client system running UV 9.6 on Linux, and sometime between midnight and 4am in the morning, there's a job getting started that is horking up some data. I've checked cron and I'm not seeing anything getting started there, any other ideas where I should look? UV itself doesn't have a scheduler, does it? -Kevin HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
Looking into that now. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? Cron jobs can run as virtually any user. Have you checked ALL the crontabs in /var/spool/cron/ ? Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services - Original Message - From: Kevin King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:41 PM Subject: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron? I have a client system running UV 9.6 on Linux, and sometime between midnight and 4am in the morning, there's a job getting started that is horking up some data. I've checked cron and I'm not seeing anything getting started there, any other ideas where I should look? UV itself doesn't have a scheduler, does it? -Kevin HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] To Cron or Not To Cron?
Kevin, Can you rename the file during the 'danger time' and see if something blows up? - Chuck Bet I Can Make It Explode Barouch --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
