Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-28 Thread Jerry Banker
I'm lucky to keep up with this list, how do you find the time? As I am 
writing this message, using the reply to all button, I notice that the email 
is not only going to the list and David but also to Tony is this a 
progressive thing? When you send the email, I'm using Outlook Express, using 
reply to all it adds all previous to's to the list and I see this as an 
even bigger problem. Admittedly I am not a big list subscriber but it seems 
that there was no problem on this list until just recently when someone or 
something caused the list to go haywire and that should be fixed not the 
list.


- Original Message - 
From: Logan, David (SST - Adelaide) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Tony Gravagno [EMAIL PROTECTED]; u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations



Sounds like the sky is falling. This is by no means a unique
situation, this works well on numerous other lists (that I subscribe
to) so why not this one? Surely the subscribers are not that silly. I
know the average age of the Universe/Unidata afficionado is slowly
creeping upward, but this doesn't mean we can't absorb change.

My outlook filter still managed to get this into the correct folder.

Regards


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 8:33 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and
maybe threading for some reader programs.  It's going to create
confusion
when people mail to one another off-list.  And for anyone who isn't
familiar with this completely unique solution people are going to think
they're responding to a list when they're responding to some person -
and
we might start seeing ongoing inquiries about hey, where did my
response
go?  Sorry folks but I don't believe this is a good long-term solution.
I
think we should go back to the way it was until a more standard solution
can be found.

Tony

Larry Hiscock wrote:

We have made some changes to the mailing list configuration files in
an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been experiencing
these past few days.

...

What does this mean to you?  It means this:

* If you click 'reply' to respond to a list message, your response
will go ONLY to the original sender of the message.

* If you click 'reply to ALL', your reply will go to BOTH the original
sender AND back to the list.

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RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread Tony Gravagno
This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and
maybe threading for some reader programs.  It's going to create confusion
when people mail to one another off-list.  And for anyone who isn't
familiar with this completely unique solution people are going to think
they're responding to a list when they're responding to some person - and
we might start seeing ongoing inquiries about hey, where did my response
go?  Sorry folks but I don't believe this is a good long-term solution.  I
think we should go back to the way it was until a more standard solution
can be found.

Tony

Larry Hiscock wrote:
 We have made some changes to the mailing list configuration files in
 an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been experiencing
 these past few days.
...
 What does this mean to you?  It means this:
 
 * If you click 'reply' to respond to a list message, your response
 will go ONLY to the original sender of the message.
 
 * If you click 'reply to ALL', your reply will go to BOTH the original
 sender AND back to the list.
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Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread Craig Bennett

Unusually, I agree with Tony.
Perhaps we should have talked on the list before making a change like this?

Craig
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RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread Tony Gravagno
This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and
maybe threading for some reader programs.  It's going to create confusion
when people mail to one another off-list.  And for anyone who isn't
familiar with this completely unique solution people are going to think
they're responding to a list when they're responding to some person - and
we might start seeing ongoing inquiries about hey, where did my response
go?  (I'm resending this post precisely because the original was mailed
incorrectly due to the change.)  Sorry folks but I don't believe this is a
good long-term solution.  I think we should go back to the way it was until
a more standard solution can be found.

Tony
 
 Larry Hiscock wrote:
 We have made some changes to the mailing list configuration files in
 an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been experiencing
 these past few days.
 ...
 What does this mean to you?  It means this:
 
 * If you click 'reply' to respond to a list message, your response
 will go ONLY to the original sender of the message.
 
 * If you click 'reply to ALL', your reply will go to BOTH the
 original sender AND back to the list.
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RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
Sounds like the sky is falling. This is by no means a unique
situation, this works well on numerous other lists (that I subscribe
to) so why not this one? Surely the subscribers are not that silly. I
know the average age of the Universe/Unidata afficionado is slowly
creeping upward, but this doesn't mean we can't absorb change.

My outlook filter still managed to get this into the correct folder.

Regards


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 8:33 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and
maybe threading for some reader programs.  It's going to create
confusion
when people mail to one another off-list.  And for anyone who isn't
familiar with this completely unique solution people are going to think
they're responding to a list when they're responding to some person -
and
we might start seeing ongoing inquiries about hey, where did my
response
go?  Sorry folks but I don't believe this is a good long-term solution.
I
think we should go back to the way it was until a more standard solution
can be found.

Tony

Larry Hiscock wrote:
 We have made some changes to the mailing list configuration files in
 an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been experiencing
 these past few days.
...
 What does this mean to you?  It means this:
 
 * If you click 'reply' to respond to a list message, your response
 will go ONLY to the original sender of the message.
 
 * If you click 'reply to ALL', your reply will go to BOTH the original
 sender AND back to the list.
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RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread Bruce Nichol

At 14:03 27/02/06 -0800, Tony Gravagno wrote:


This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and
maybe threading for some reader programs.  It's going to create confusion
when people mail to one another off-list.  And for anyone who isn't
familiar with this completely unique solution people are going to think
they're responding to a list when they're responding to some person - and
we might start seeing ongoing inquiries about hey, where did my response
go?  Sorry folks but I don't believe this is a good long-term solution.  I
think we should go back to the way it was until a more standard solution
can be found.

Tony


For once, Tony, I totally agree with you All U2 list postings are now 
going to my trash bucket


Please put it back to how it was...  The knee jerk goes too far t'other 
way



Larry Hiscock wrote:
 We have made some changes to the mailing list configuration files in
 an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been experiencing
 these past few days.

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Regards,

Bruce Nichol
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Australia

http://www.taloncs.com.au

Tel: +61 (0)411149636
Fax: +61 (0)260232119

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RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
This is a relatively minor change and the dark side of the force seem to
be gathering strength against it. The list headers still have the u2ug
address in them and your rules should still apply. If not, then change
them so they do!

Perhaps the dark side haven't really explained themselves well but I
can't understand what the fuss is about. There seem to be a number of
hypotheticals that assume people are incapable of managing change.

I would note again, this is NOT a unique list situation. This is in
fact, a more common setup than one thinks. Perhaps somebody could
subscribe to the Sun Managers list, one does not reply to the list, only
to the sender and the sender then publishes a summary, or perhaps one or
two of the MySQL lists which use exactly this system.

All lists to which I subscribe use their own methods for managing the
reply, you just get used to them. The subscribers to these lists seem to
handle the situation quite well. In fact, I note recent posters to this
list, have all managed to reply to the list without issue and my outlook
rules have placed their messages in the correct folder.

Regards


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Nichol
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 9:57 AM
To: Tony Gravagno; u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

At 14:03 27/02/06 -0800, Tony Gravagno wrote:

This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and
maybe threading for some reader programs.  It's going to create
confusion
when people mail to one another off-list.  And for anyone who isn't
familiar with this completely unique solution people are going to think
they're responding to a list when they're responding to some person -
and
we might start seeing ongoing inquiries about hey, where did my
response
go?  Sorry folks but I don't believe this is a good long-term
solution.  I
think we should go back to the way it was until a more standard
solution
can be found.

Tony

For once, Tony, I totally agree with you All U2 list postings are
now 
going to my trash bucket

Please put it back to how it was...  The knee jerk goes too far t'other 
way

Larry Hiscock wrote:
  We have made some changes to the mailing list configuration files in
  an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been experiencing
  these past few days.

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http://www.taloncs.com.au

Tel: +61 (0)411149636
Fax: +61 (0)260232119

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RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread Tony Gravagno
Logan, David wrote:
 Sounds like the sky is falling. This is by no means a unique
 situation, this works well on numerous other lists (that I subscribe
 to) so why not this one? Surely the subscribers are not that silly. I
 know the average age of the Universe/Unidata afficionado is slowly
 creeping upward, but this doesn't mean we can't absorb change.
 
 My outlook filter still managed to get this into the correct folder.
 
 Regards

Well, our experience is just different.  Seems a little silly to have
manual procedures to conform to some list software doesn't it?  Now when I
do get a double posting from this forum, since they both have [U2] and
other common markers, all mail gets to my U2 List folder.  I'd rather not
change my filters until someone here decides which way the wind will blow.

As an example of how this reply-all policy is not working:  I don't send
directly to the list, I send through a remailer so that my e-mail address
isn't broadcast to the world.  But that shouldn't matter to anyone else,
and it never has.  Now, I need to manually paste the right e-mail address
into the To field.  I'll accept this as something unique to me if indeed it
is, but again, I don't need to do this for any other lists - how about just
getting some listserver software that works like DadaMail?
(http://mojo.skazat.com/ free, open source, feature rich, well supported,
popular...)

It also looks like the list is accepting mail from unauthorized mail
sources.  I think I accidentally posted mail from an address not subscribed
to the list.  I dunno if this is new or not.  Without digging through
headers I can't tell exactly what happened and I don't have time for such
things.

T
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RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread Larry Hiscock
A) I don't understand why you would have to change anything to send your
email to the list through a remailer.

B) the list does NOT accept email from unsubscribed users.  I manually
approved your recent post that was sent from an unsubscribed address because
I felt it was germaine, and I didn't want to wait for a bounce/reply/re-post
cycle.

Larry Hiscock
Moderator

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:12 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

Logan, David wrote:
 Sounds like the sky is falling. This is by no means a unique
 situation, this works well on numerous other lists (that I subscribe
 to) so why not this one? Surely the subscribers are not that silly. I
 know the average age of the Universe/Unidata afficionado is slowly
 creeping upward, but this doesn't mean we can't absorb change.
 
 My outlook filter still managed to get this into the correct folder.
 
 Regards

Well, our experience is just different.  Seems a little silly to have
manual procedures to conform to some list software doesn't it?  Now when I
do get a double posting from this forum, since they both have [U2] and
other common markers, all mail gets to my U2 List folder.  I'd rather not
change my filters until someone here decides which way the wind will blow.

As an example of how this reply-all policy is not working:  I don't send
directly to the list, I send through a remailer so that my e-mail address
isn't broadcast to the world.  But that shouldn't matter to anyone else,
and it never has.  Now, I need to manually paste the right e-mail address
into the To field.  I'll accept this as something unique to me if indeed it
is, but again, I don't need to do this for any other lists - how about just
getting some listserver software that works like DadaMail?
(http://mojo.skazat.com/ free, open source, feature rich, well supported,
popular...)

It also looks like the list is accepting mail from unauthorized mail
sources.  I think I accidentally posted mail from an address not subscribed
to the list.  I dunno if this is new or not.  Without digging through
headers I can't tell exactly what happened and I don't have time for such
things.

T
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Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread John Hester

Logan, David (SST - Adelaide) wrote:

Sounds like the sky is falling. This is by no means a unique
situation, this works well on numerous other lists (that I subscribe
to) so why not this one? Surely the subscribers are not that silly. I
know the average age of the Universe/Unidata afficionado is slowly
creeping upward, but this doesn't mean we can't absorb change.

My outlook filter still managed to get this into the correct folder.


One list I subscribe to doesn't include the list address in posted 
messages, so you can't even use the reply-all option and have to key 
in the list address.  The current setup of the U2 list is at least a 
little easier.  This particular debate has been going on for many years, 
and for those unfamiliar, see The Great Reply-to Debate section at 
this link:


http://producingoss.com/html-chunk/mailing-lists.html

There are pros and cons both ways.  I can only add that, based on my own 
experience with other lists, I got used to the posting method of the 
particular list fairly quickly even when I found it initially inconvenient.


-John
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RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread Bill Haskett
David:

I'm reminded of the building contractor who, when asked why there's no lock
on the front and back doors, replies that none of the other doors in the
house have locks on them...besides, you'll get used to it.

It is a constant in the IT industry that we are all forced to overcome the
lack of rationality and simplicity.  (I see where I need to change the TO
address when I click reply otherwise the reply goes to you, unless I
remember to click the Reply to All button and remove you so as to not
remind you of the consequences of responding to the list).  :-)

soapbox
This could be worse, but aren't we all tired of dealing with this constant
bull$%!t of taking different paths to process similar events (email
receipt).  I couldn't care less what Sun or MySql does; the MV market was
built on rationality not inconvenient standards de'jour, so why should we
have to twiddle with a simple reply due to some technical reason?
Argh.
/soapbox

Please forgive my attitude; I've almost completed a D3 to UniData conversion
project and have been wondering why any non-MV developer would ever use U2
and any MV developer would use UniData.  I'm sure I'll get over this soon
though.  :-)

Bill
 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
 Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:58 PM
 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
 Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
 
 This is a relatively minor change and the dark side of the 
 force seem to
 be gathering strength against it. The list headers still have the u2ug
 address in them and your rules should still apply. If not, then change
 them so they do!
 
 Perhaps the dark side haven't really explained themselves well but I
 can't understand what the fuss is about. There seem to be a number of
 hypotheticals that assume people are incapable of managing change.
 
 I would note again, this is NOT a unique list situation. This is in
 fact, a more common setup than one thinks. Perhaps somebody could
 subscribe to the Sun Managers list, one does not reply to the 
 list, only
 to the sender and the sender then publishes a summary, or 
 perhaps one or
 two of the MySQL lists which use exactly this system.
 
 All lists to which I subscribe use their own methods for managing the
 reply, you just get used to them. The subscribers to these 
 lists seem to
 handle the situation quite well. In fact, I note recent 
 posters to this
 list, have all managed to reply to the list without issue and 
 my outlook
 rules have placed their messages in the correct folder.
 
 Regards
 
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Nichol
 Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 9:57 AM
 To: Tony Gravagno; u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
 Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
 
 At 14:03 27/02/06 -0800, Tony Gravagno wrote:
 
 This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, 
 remailers, and
 maybe threading for some reader programs.  It's going to create
 confusion
 when people mail to one another off-list.  And for anyone who isn't
 familiar with this completely unique solution people are 
 going to think
 they're responding to a list when they're responding to some person -
 and
 we might start seeing ongoing inquiries about hey, where did my
 response
 go?  Sorry folks but I don't believe this is a good long-term
 solution.  I
 think we should go back to the way it was until a more standard
 solution
 can be found.
 
 Tony
 
 For once, Tony, I totally agree with you All U2 list postings are
 now 
 going to my trash bucket
 
 Please put it back to how it was...  The knee jerk goes too 
 far t'other 
 way
 
 Larry Hiscock wrote:
   We have made some changes to the mailing list 
 configuration files in
   an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been 
 experiencing
   these past few days.
 
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 Regards,
 
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 Australia
 
 http://www.taloncs.com.au
 
 Tel: +61 (0)411149636
 Fax: +61 (0)260232119

RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
quote
I couldn't care less what Sun or MySql does; the MV market was
built on rationality not inconvenient standards de'jour, so why should
we
have to twiddle with a simple reply due to some technical reason?
Argh.
/quote

Sadly there is a large world out there that can't be ignored. As Larry
put it, this is the usual way that most lists use. I run a couple of
lists myself and this is normal behaviour.

Perhaps one of the reasons why there aren't that many new people coming
into the u2 arena is encapsulated in the response above. We, as a
community, need to know what else is going on in the world.
Unfortunately taking the insular path does not always work. The love of
rationality has nowt to do with the real world. 

Regards


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:02 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

David:

I'm reminded of the building contractor who, when asked why there's no
lock
on the front and back doors, replies that none of the other doors in the
house have locks on them...besides, you'll get used to it.

It is a constant in the IT industry that we are all forced to overcome
the
lack of rationality and simplicity.  (I see where I need to change the
TO
address when I click reply otherwise the reply goes to you, unless I
remember to click the Reply to All button and remove you so as to not
remind you of the consequences of responding to the list).  :-)

soapbox
This could be worse, but aren't we all tired of dealing with this
constant
bull$%!t of taking different paths to process similar events (email
receipt).  I couldn't care less what Sun or MySql does; the MV market
was
built on rationality not inconvenient standards de'jour, so why should
we
have to twiddle with a simple reply due to some technical reason?
Argh.
/soapbox

Please forgive my attitude; I've almost completed a D3 to UniData
conversion
project and have been wondering why any non-MV developer would ever use
U2
and any MV developer would use UniData.  I'm sure I'll get over this
soon
though.  :-)

Bill
 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
 Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:58 PM
 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
 Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
 
 This is a relatively minor change and the dark side of the 
 force seem to
 be gathering strength against it. The list headers still have the u2ug
 address in them and your rules should still apply. If not, then change
 them so they do!
 
 Perhaps the dark side haven't really explained themselves well but I
 can't understand what the fuss is about. There seem to be a number of
 hypotheticals that assume people are incapable of managing change.
 
 I would note again, this is NOT a unique list situation. This is in
 fact, a more common setup than one thinks. Perhaps somebody could
 subscribe to the Sun Managers list, one does not reply to the 
 list, only
 to the sender and the sender then publishes a summary, or 
 perhaps one or
 two of the MySQL lists which use exactly this system.
 
 All lists to which I subscribe use their own methods for managing the
 reply, you just get used to them. The subscribers to these 
 lists seem to
 handle the situation quite well. In fact, I note recent 
 posters to this
 list, have all managed to reply to the list without issue and 
 my outlook
 rules have placed their messages in the correct folder.
 
 Regards
 
 
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Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread Bob Little

Bill Haskett wrote:

Please forgive my attitude; I've almost completed a D3 to UniData conversion
project and have been wondering why any non-MV developer would ever use U2
and any MV developer would use UniData.  


Bill
 
  
I'd like to hear more of this conversion story and the opinions it 
fostered.  Please hit reply  :)   (in keeping with the situation)


Bob Little
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Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread Louie Bergsagel
Well, maybe in the spirit of democracy, the U2UG should vote for their
preference.

I like the new way myself, as it is much harder to accidently email everyone
when I just want to respond to the sender, and easier to do both.

Before, I would have to cut and paste the sender's name into the to window
if I wanted to reply only to them.  This is much easier.

And if this 53-year-old can remember the new feature, all you youngsters
should be able to also!

-- Louie


On 2/27/06, Bob Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bill Haskett wrote:
  Please forgive my attitude; I've almost completed a D3 to UniData
 conversion
  project and have been wondering why any non-MV developer would ever use
 U2
  and any MV developer would use UniData.
 
  Bill
 
 
 I'd like to hear more of this conversion story and the opinions it
 fostered.  Please hit reply  :)   (in keeping with the situation)

 Bob Little
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Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations

2006-02-27 Thread Joe Walter
- Original Message - 
From: Mark Ballinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations


 Well, geez.  If we're voting, I vote for the new way.  After all . . .

 http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

 (and, yes, I expect the response article will be referred to quickly
enough here.)

 Just about every list I belong to has had this very same discussion.  Just
about every one has switched to this new way.

 If your email reader is unable to thread because of this, then I feel
sorry for you.
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Well, I'll cast a vote for the new way too.

Munging email headers - BAD

Munging anything can be dangerous to it's health - LOL

I googled 'munge' and the first hit was a link to a page indicating
Microsoft dropped the munge.exe find/replace utility from it's Resource
Kits - I guess munging just isn't cool anymore ;-)
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