Re: [Ubnt_users] groundcontrol project

[RickG]

Kudos! I'm not a programmer but I'll be glad to be a tester ;)

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

>  For those of you who haven't heard, several of us started a new project
> yesterday.
>
> https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol
>
> Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2.
>
> We have already been offered code snippets, a dev box, a db server, and
> several people have decided to volunteer time to make this happen.
>
> The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a possibly
> paid support/features option, or maybe a model similar to observium where
> the is a "community" (free as in beer) version that comes out every 6mo
> or so, and a "paid" version with newer features and direct support. We're
> not sure yet, but we want to make this project accessible and fairly
> vendor-neutral.
>
> If any of you could volunteer time, support, code, documentation, ideas,
> etc. it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by and for the
> WISP community. Thank you!
>
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> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl - might be a repeat but the original message didn't post

[Rory Conaway]

Guys, you have good points. I believe though, the problem here isn't just the 
product, it's the message.  The reality is that it wouldn't take that many more 
resources to finish and update AC2.  I thought it had a bunch of bells and 
whistles I could have lived without and that functionality was more important 
but that wasn’t my call.  We fudged through its inadequacies with the hope that 
upgrades were coming.  Unfortunately, the Cone of Silence from Ubiquiti on this 
issue after more than a year caused me anghst.  I can see where this product 
works for newcomers to the industry as a billing and CRM product.  But I do 
agree that those operators that have more than a few hundred users are going to 
have serious qualms about opening up their network to an outside attack or even 
the possibility that there is some aspect of security that is out of their 
control.  We pay a lot of money every year for security products to protect our 
customers and although we are going to test and probably startup WISPs to this 
product, I don't see it as a large operational management tool specifically 
because of the unknown control issue.  If Russia can hack our SCADA system, 
probably the North Koreans can hack Sony, the Chinese pretty much anything they 
want to including our most secured military and technical secrets, I'm a little 
nervous letting some outside entity control my network.

 

Here is my question, if the cloud gets hacked and someone takes down my network 
causing me great financial harm (kind of like Green toughcable), who am I 
suing?  I know the same argument can be made for AirControl now but that device 
should be behind a firewall with security at the operating system level managed 
by the WISP.  The exposure is far lower.

 

 

 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 7:52 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 

I would love the fluff if the rest of the product worked.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 



From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 8:38:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Guys, you have good points. I believe though, the problem here isn't
just the product, it's the message.  The reality is that it wouldn't
take that many more resources to finish and update AC2.  I thought it
had a bunch of bells and whistles I could have lived without and that
functionality was more important but that wasn't my call.  We fudged
through its inadequacies with the hope that upgrades were coming.
Unfortunately, the Cone of Silence from Ubiquiti on this issue after
more than a year caused me anghst.  I can see where this product works
for newcomers to the industry as a billing and CRM product.  But I do
agree that those operators that have more than a few hundred users are
going to have serious qualms about opening up their network to an
outside attack or even the possibility that there is some aspect of
security that is out of their control.  We pay a lot of money every year
for security products to protect our customers and although we are going
to test and probably startup WISPs to this product, I don't see it as a
large operational management tool specifically because of the unknown
control issue.  If Russia can hack our SCADA system, probably the North
Koreans can hack Sony, the Chinese pretty much anything they want to
including our most secured military and technical secrets, I'm a little
nervous letting some outside entity control my network.

Here is my question, if the cloud gets hacked and someone takes down my
network causing me great financial harm (kind of like Green toughcable),
who am I suing?  I know the same argument can be made for AirControl now
but that device should be behind a firewall with security at the
operating system level managed by the WISP.  The exposure is far lower.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 6:25 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Hmmm,  I think someone is really trying hard to emulate Steve Jobs... 
He always knew what his customers _really_ needed...   Sometimes he was 
spot on...  Sometimes he tried to float bricks...  Didn't hear about
those products...

On 12/03/2014 05:14 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:
> Well said.
>
> In the alpha forums we gave them every possible combination of onsite 
> hosting that you could think of that we would be happy to use for this

> project. Virtual appliances  and an actual hardware appliances that 
> they sell were 2 that I thought would be the easiest.
>
> Fell on deaf ears though.
>
> *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> 
> [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> 

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Mike Hammett]

I would love the fluff if the rest of the product worked. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 8:38:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 

Guys, you have good points. I believe though, the problem here isn't 
just the product, it's the message. The reality is that it wouldn't 
take that many more resources to finish and update AC2. I thought it 
had a bunch of bells and whistles I could have lived without and that 
functionality was more important but that wasn't my call. We fudged 
through its inadequacies with the hope that upgrades were coming. 
Unfortunately, the Cone of Silence from Ubiquiti on this issue after 
more than a year caused me anghst. I can see where this product works 
for newcomers to the industry as a billing and CRM product. But I do 
agree that those operators that have more than a few hundred users are 
going to have serious qualms about opening up their network to an 
outside attack or even the possibility that there is some aspect of 
security that is out of their control. We pay a lot of money every year 
for security products to protect our customers and although we are going 
to test and probably startup WISPs to this product, I don't see it as a 
large operational management tool specifically because of the unknown 
control issue. If Russia can hack our SCADA system, probably the North 
Koreans can hack Sony, the Chinese pretty much anything they want to 
including our most secured military and technical secrets, I'm a little 
nervous letting some outside entity control my network. 

Here is my question, if the cloud gets hacked and someone takes down my 
network causing me great financial harm (kind of like Green toughcable), 
who am I suing? I know the same argument can be made for AirControl now 
but that device should be behind a firewall with security at the 
operating system level managed by the WISP. The exposure is far lower. 

Rory 

-Original Message- 
From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Robert 
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 6:25 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 

Hmmm, I think someone is really trying hard to emulate Steve Jobs... 
He always knew what his customers _really_ needed... Sometimes he was 
spot on... Sometimes he tried to float bricks... Didn't hear about 
those products... 

On 12/03/2014 05:14 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote: 
> Well said. 
> 
> In the alpha forums we gave them every possible combination of onsite 
> hosting that you could think of that we would be happy to use for this 

> project. Virtual appliances and an actual hardware appliances that 
> they sell were 2 that I thought would be the easiest. 
> 
> Fell on deaf ears though. 
> 
> *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
>  
> [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 3, 2014 2:38 PM 
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 
> 
> Part of it for me is the perception of UBNT as a company. We aren't 
> like Apple consumers. For the most part, most of us are not buying 
> these products to jack with them at Starbucks and drink Coffee. We 
are 
> out on towers, in all kinds of weather, deploying these. No matter 
the 
> driving factor, the majority of these networks are here to make money. 
> I, for one, have bet my house and my future on UBNT products in the 
> past. It was no different than betting on another vendor, but I chose 

> UBNT for several reasons. Price was a factor but not the only one. 
> 
> Robert and Staff, please don't misunderstand the passion for these 
folks 
> being fanboys. Sure, the inner geek in everyone wants the shiny new 
> gadget. But at the end of the day we all want to go home and be able 
> to set our thermostat at 71 instead of 50. :-) This is about 
> providing a service and being in business. Tools like AirControl 
> means we can do that extra install instead of having the programmer 
> spend their time figuring out how to pull data from the radio or dump 
> into some 3rd party app. We all know monitoring and proactive 
> solutions are essential in this business. I want to know if my 
> business customers are getting what they pay for. If I have SLA 
> customers I want to prove to them we are living up to expectations. 
> Having that data might mean keeping them or not. A complete product 
family means we have a lower TCO. 
> 
> Now, back to perception. If I am putting my house on the line would I 

> continue to do so for a company that hasn't finished a key product 
> like AC in how many years? Version 1 never was completed. V2 is now 
dead. 
> What about the Mfi cloud? I want to be able to trust a company with my 

> livelihood

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Rory Conaway]

Guys, you have good points. I believe though, the problem here isn't
just the product, it's the message.  The reality is that it wouldn't
take that many more resources to finish and update AC2.  I thought it
had a bunch of bells and whistles I could have lived without and that
functionality was more important but that wasn't my call.  We fudged
through its inadequacies with the hope that upgrades were coming.
Unfortunately, the Cone of Silence from Ubiquiti on this issue after
more than a year caused me anghst.  I can see where this product works
for newcomers to the industry as a billing and CRM product.  But I do
agree that those operators that have more than a few hundred users are
going to have serious qualms about opening up their network to an
outside attack or even the possibility that there is some aspect of
security that is out of their control.  We pay a lot of money every year
for security products to protect our customers and although we are going
to test and probably startup WISPs to this product, I don't see it as a
large operational management tool specifically because of the unknown
control issue.  If Russia can hack our SCADA system, probably the North
Koreans can hack Sony, the Chinese pretty much anything they want to
including our most secured military and technical secrets, I'm a little
nervous letting some outside entity control my network.

Here is my question, if the cloud gets hacked and someone takes down my
network causing me great financial harm (kind of like Green toughcable),
who am I suing?  I know the same argument can be made for AirControl now
but that device should be behind a firewall with security at the
operating system level managed by the WISP.  The exposure is far lower.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 6:25 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Hmmm,  I think someone is really trying hard to emulate Steve Jobs... 
He always knew what his customers _really_ needed...   Sometimes he was 
spot on...  Sometimes he tried to float bricks...  Didn't hear about
those products...

On 12/03/2014 05:14 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:
> Well said.
>
> In the alpha forums we gave them every possible combination of onsite 
> hosting that you could think of that we would be happy to use for this

> project. Virtual appliances  and an actual hardware appliances that 
> they sell were 2 that I thought would be the easiest.
>
> Fell on deaf ears though.
>
> *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> 
> [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 3, 2014 2:38 PM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>
> Part of it for me is the perception of UBNT as a company.  We aren't 
> like Apple consumers.  For the most part, most of us are not buying 
> these products to jack with them at Starbucks and drink Coffee.  We
are
> out on towers, in all kinds of weather, deploying these.   No matter
the
> driving factor, the majority of these networks are here to make money.
> I, for one, have bet my house and my future on UBNT products in the 
> past.  It was no different than betting on another vendor, but I chose

> UBNT for several reasons.  Price was a factor but not the only one.
>
> Robert and Staff, please don't misunderstand the passion for these
folks
> being fanboys.   Sure, the inner geek in everyone wants the shiny new
> gadget.  But at the end of the day we all want to go home and be able 
> to set our thermostat at 71 instead of 50.  :-) This is about 
> providing a service and being in business.  Tools like AirControl 
> means we can do that extra install instead of having the programmer 
> spend their time figuring out how to pull data from the radio or dump 
> into some 3rd party app.  We all know monitoring and proactive 
> solutions are essential in this business.  I want to know if my 
> business customers are getting what they pay for.  If I have SLA 
> customers I want to prove to them we are living up to expectations.  
> Having that data might mean keeping them or not. A complete product
family means we have a lower TCO.
>
> Now, back to perception.  If I am putting my house on the line would I

> continue to do so for a company that hasn't finished a key product 
> like AC in how many years? Version 1 never was completed.  V2 is now
dead.
> What about the Mfi cloud? I want to be able to trust a company with my

> livelihood. Sure, a software product isn't the same as a working AP, 
> but it should be a key component.  In today's ISP world information is

> King.  If I have information I know when to upgrade, what customers to

> proactively fix, and how the overall health of the network is. This is

> what makes me different than Comcast.  I should be able to know

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Robert]

Hmmm,  I think someone is really trying hard to emulate Steve Jobs... 
He always knew what his customers _really_ needed...   Sometimes he was 
spot on...  Sometimes he tried to float bricks...  Didn't hear about 
those products...

On 12/03/2014 05:14 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:
> Well said.
>
> In the alpha forums we gave them every possible combination of onsite
> hosting that you could think of that we would be happy to use for this
> project. Virtual appliances  and an actual hardware appliances that they
> sell were 2 that I thought would be the easiest.
>
> Fell on deaf ears though.
>
> *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> 
> [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 3, 2014 2:38 PM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>
> Part of it for me is the perception of UBNT as a company.  We aren’t
> like Apple consumers.  For the most part, most of us are not buying
> these products to jack with them at Starbucks and drink Coffee.  We are
> out on towers, in all kinds of weather, deploying these.   No matter the
> driving factor, the majority of these networks are here to make money.
> I, for one, have bet my house and my future on UBNT products in the
> past.  It was no different than betting on another vendor, but I chose
> UBNT for several reasons.  Price was a factor but not the only one.
>
> Robert and Staff, please don’t misunderstand the passion for these folks
> being fanboys.   Sure, the inner geek in everyone wants the shiny new
> gadget.  But at the end of the day we all want to go home and be able to
> set our thermostat at 71 instead of 50.  :-) This is about providing a
> service and being in business.  Tools like AirControl means we can do
> that extra install instead of having the programmer spend their time
> figuring out how to pull data from the radio or dump into some 3rd party
> app.  We all know monitoring and proactive solutions are essential in
> this business.  I want to know if my business customers are getting what
> they pay for.  If I have SLA customers I want to prove to them we are
> living up to expectations.  Having that data might mean keeping them or
> not. A complete product family means we have a lower TCO.
>
> Now, back to perception.  If I am putting my house on the line would I
> continue to do so for a company that hasn’t finished a key product like
> AC in how many years? Version 1 never was completed.  V2 is now dead.
> What about the Mfi cloud? I want to be able to trust a company with my
> livelihood. Sure, a software product isn’t the same as a working AP, but
> it should be a key component.  In today’s ISP world information is
> King.  If I have information I know when to upgrade, what customers to
> proactively fix, and how the overall health of the network is. This is
> what makes me different than Comcast.  I should be able to know
> everything about what I have.
>
> If you want to make it cloud based, how about an appliance we can
> install locally? Just an idea, in a sea of thousands.   But more
> importantly, help us focus on automating our businesses and being kick
> butt at it. Give us the tools we actually need.  That way we can buy
> more units from you.  Simple.
>
> Justin
>
> --
>
> Justin Wilson 
>
> http://www.mtin.net 
>
> Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers
>
> http://www.thebrotherswisp.com
>
> Podcast about xISP topics
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange
>
>
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Chris Ruschmann]

Well said.



In the alpha forums we gave them every possible combination of onsite
hosting that you could think of that we would be happy to use for this
project. Virtual appliances  and an actual hardware appliances that they
sell were 2 that I thought would be the easiest.



Fell on deaf ears though.







*From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] *On
Behalf Of *Justin Wilson
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 3, 2014 2:38 PM
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl



Part of it for me is the perception of UBNT as a company.  We aren’t like
Apple consumers.  For the most part, most of us are not buying these
products to jack with them at Starbucks and drink Coffee.  We are out on
towers, in all kinds of weather, deploying these.   No matter the driving
factor, the majority of these networks are here to make money.  I, for one,
have bet my house and my future on UBNT products in the past.  It was no
different than betting on another vendor, but I chose UBNT for several
reasons.  Price was a factor but not the only one.



Robert and Staff, please don’t misunderstand the passion for these folks
being fanboys.   Sure, the inner geek in everyone wants the shiny new
gadget.  But at the end of the day we all want to go home and be able to
set our thermostat at 71 instead of 50.  :-) This is about providing a
service and being in business.  Tools like AirControl means we can do that
extra install instead of having the programmer spend their time figuring
out how to pull data from the radio or dump into some 3rd party app.  We
all know monitoring and proactive solutions are essential in this
business.  I want to know if my business customers are getting what they
pay for.  If I have SLA customers I want to prove to them we are living up
to expectations.  Having that data might mean keeping them or not. A
complete product family means we have a lower TCO.



Now, back to perception.  If I am putting my house on the line would I
continue to do so for a company that hasn’t finished a key product like AC
in how many years? Version 1 never was completed.  V2 is now dead.  What
about the Mfi cloud? I want to be able to trust a company with my
livelihood. Sure, a software product isn’t the same as a working AP, but it
should be a key component.  In today’s ISP world information is King.  If I
have information I know when to upgrade, what customers to proactively fix,
and how the overall health of the network is. This is what makes me
different than Comcast.  I should be able to know everything about what I
have.



If you want to make it cloud based, how about an appliance we can install
locally? Just an idea, in a sea of thousands.   But more importantly, help
us focus on automating our businesses and being kick butt at it. Give us
the tools we actually need.  That way we can buy more units from you.
Simple.



Justin



--

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http://www.mtin.net 

Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers

http://www.thebrotherswisp.com

Podcast about xISP topics

http://www.midwest-ix.com

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Re: [Ubnt_users] groundcontrol project

[Mike Hammett]

No. It was started yesterday. and started is a very loose term. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Tim Reichhart"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 6:04:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] groundcontrol project 



Josh 
You got any screenshots of this piece of software? 

Tim 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:19 PM 
To: WISPA General List; Ubiquiti Users Group; a...@afmug.com 
Subject: [Ubnt_users] groundcontrol project 

For those of you who haven't heard, several of us started a new project 
yesterday. 

https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol 

Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2. 

We have already been offered code snippets, a dev box, a db server, and several 
people have decided to volunteer time to make this happen. 

The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a possibly paid 
support/features option, or maybe a model similar to obs ervium where the is a 
"community" (free as in beer) version that comes out every 6mo or so, and a 
"paid" version with newer features and direct support. We're not sure yet, but 
we want to make this project accessible and fairly vendor-neutral. 

If any of you could volunteer time, support, code, documentation, ideas, etc. 
it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by and for the WISP 
community. Thank you! 

-- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] groundcontrol project

[Tim Reichhart]

Josh

You got any screenshots of this piece of software?

 

Tim

 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List; Ubiquiti Users Group; a...@afmug.com
Subject: [Ubnt_users] groundcontrol project

 

For those of you who haven't heard, several of us started a new project 
yesterday.

https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol

Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2.

We have already been offered code snippets, a dev box, a db server, and several 
people have decided to volunteer time to make this happen.

The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a possibly paid 
support/features option, or maybe a model similar to observium where the is a 
"community" (free as in beer) version that comes out every 6mo or so, and a 
"paid" version with newer features and direct support. We're not sure yet, but 
we want to make this project accessible and fairly vendor-neutral.

If any of you could volunteer time, support, code, documentation, ideas, etc. 
it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by and for the WISP 
community. Thank you!



-- 
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spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Roy]

  
  

  
  +1
  
  On 12/3/2014 3:38 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:


  Part of it for me is the perception of UBNT as a company.  We
aren’t like Apple consumers.  For the most part, most of us are
not buying these products to jack with them at Starbucks and
drink Coffee.  We are out on towers, in all kinds of weather,
deploying these.   No matter the driving factor, the majority of
these networks are here to make money.  I, for one, have bet my
house and my future on UBNT products in the past.  It was no
different than betting on another vendor, but I chose UBNT for
several reasons.  Price was a factor but not the only one.
  
  
  Robert and Staff, please don’t misunderstand the passion for
these folks being fanboys.   Sure, the inner geek in everyone
wants the shiny new gadget.  But at the end of the day we all
want to go home and be able to set our thermostat at 71 instead
of 50.  :-) This is about providing a service and being in
business.  Tools like AirControl means we can do that extra
install instead of having the programmer spend their time
figuring out how to pull data from the radio or dump into some
3rd party app.  We all know monitoring and proactive solutions
are essential in this business.  I want to know if my business
customers are getting what they pay for.  If I have SLA
customers I want to prove to them we are living up to
expectations.  Having that data might mean keeping them or not.
A complete product family means we have a lower TCO.
  
  
  Now, back to perception.  If I am putting my house on the
line would I continue to do so for a company that hasn’t
finished a key product like AC in how many years? Version 1
never was completed.  V2 is now dead.  What about the Mfi cloud?
I want to be able to trust a company with my livelihood. Sure, a
software product isn’t the same as a working AP, but it should
be a key component.  In today’s ISP world information is King.
 If I have information I know when to upgrade, what customers to
proactively fix, and how the overall health of the network is.
This is what makes me different than Comcast.  I should be able
to know everything about what I have.
  
  
  If you want to make it cloud based, how about an appliance we
can install locally? Just an idea, in a sea of thousands.   But
more importantly, help us focus on automating our businesses and
being kick butt at it. Give us the tools we actually need.  That
way we can buy more units from you.  Simple.
  
  
  Justin 
  

  


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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Josh Reynolds]

Well said, Justin.

/tipshat

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/03/2014 02:38 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:
Part of it for me is the perception of UBNT as a company.  We aren’t 
like Apple consumers.  For the most part, most of us are not buying 
these products to jack with them at Starbucks and drink Coffee.  We 
are out on towers, in all kinds of weather, deploying these.   No 
matter the driving factor, the majority of these networks are here to 
make money.  I, for one, have bet my house and my future on UBNT 
products in the past.  It was no different than betting on another 
vendor, but I chose UBNT for several reasons.  Price was a factor but 
not the only one.


Robert and Staff, please don’t misunderstand the passion for these 
folks being fanboys.   Sure, the inner geek in everyone wants the 
shiny new gadget.  But at the end of the day we all want to go home 
and be able to set our thermostat at 71 instead of 50.  :-) This is 
about providing a service and being in business.  Tools like 
AirControl means we can do that extra install instead of having the 
programmer spend their time figuring out how to pull data from the 
radio or dump into some 3rd party app.  We all know monitoring and 
proactive solutions are essential in this business.  I want to know if 
my business customers are getting what they pay for.  If I have SLA 
customers I want to prove to them we are living up to expectations. 
 Having that data might mean keeping them or not. A complete product 
family means we have a lower TCO.


Now, back to perception.  If I am putting my house on the line would I 
continue to do so for a company that hasn’t finished a key product 
like AC in how many years? Version 1 never was completed.  V2 is now 
dead.  What about the Mfi cloud? I want to be able to trust a company 
with my livelihood. Sure, a software product isn’t the same as a 
working AP, but it should be a key component.  In today’s ISP world 
information is King.  If I have information I know when to upgrade, 
what customers to proactively fix, and how the overall health of the 
network is. This is what makes me different than Comcast.  I should be 
able to know everything about what I have.


If you want to make it cloud based, how about an appliance we can 
install locally? Just an idea, in a sea of thousands.   But more 
importantly, help us focus on automating our businesses and being kick 
butt at it. Give us the tools we actually need.  That way we can buy 
more units from you.  Simple.


Justin

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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Justin Wilson]

Part of it for me is the perception of UBNT as a company.  We aren¹t like
Apple consumers.  For the most part, most of us are not buying these
products to jack with them at Starbucks and drink Coffee.  We are out on
towers, in all kinds of weather, deploying these.   No matter the driving
factor, the majority of these networks are here to make money.  I, for one,
have bet my house and my future on UBNT products in the past.  It was no
different than betting on another vendor, but I chose UBNT for several
reasons.  Price was a factor but not the only one.

Robert and Staff, please don¹t misunderstand the passion for these folks
being fanboys.   Sure, the inner geek in everyone wants the shiny new
gadget.  But at the end of the day we all want to go home and be able to set
our thermostat at 71 instead of 50.  :-) This is about providing a service
and being in business.  Tools like AirControl means we can do that extra
install instead of having the programmer spend their time figuring out how
to pull data from the radio or dump into some 3rd party app.  We all know
monitoring and proactive solutions are essential in this business.  I want
to know if my business customers are getting what they pay for.  If I have
SLA customers I want to prove to them we are living up to expectations.
Having that data might mean keeping them or not. A complete product family
means we have a lower TCO.

Now, back to perception.  If I am putting my house on the line would I
continue to do so for a company that hasn¹t finished a key product like AC
in how many years? Version 1 never was completed.  V2 is now dead.  What
about the Mfi cloud? I want to be able to trust a company with my
livelihood. Sure, a software product isn¹t the same as a working AP, but it
should be a key component.  In today¹s ISP world information is King.  If I
have information I know when to upgrade, what customers to proactively fix,
and how the overall health of the network is. This is what makes me
different than Comcast.  I should be able to know everything about what I
have.

If you want to make it cloud based, how about an appliance we can install
locally? Just an idea, in a sea of thousands.   But more importantly, help
us focus on automating our businesses and being kick butt at it. Give us the
tools we actually need.  That way we can buy more units from you.  Simple.

Justin 

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Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNT Specific PHP code Vol 896, Issue 8

[George Fendler]

Me three..
George
Central Coast Internet

On 12/3/2014 7:03 AM, Ken Patrick wrote:

Me too.PLease send any php code for monitoring

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Chappy WISP | mvWiFi, llc 
mailto:i...@mvwifi.com>> wrote:


I would be very interested in any php code out there to pull
information from UBNT devices and participating in creating a
decent monitoring tool.  I would like to stay as 'off the shelf'
as possible to make it easy to alter.  Why not use mySQL for the
database?  Fast, native, and easy to create custom reports from.

Anyway - any php code available I'd really like to take a look at.

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Re: [Ubnt_users] groundcontrol project

[Mike Hammett]

Further driven by today's post that summed up says, "We don't care what you 
want. This is what you get." 




- 
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http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: "WISPA General List" , "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
, a...@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:19:23 PM 
Subject: [Ubnt_users] groundcontrol project 

For thos e of you who haven't heard, several of us started a new project 
yesterday. 

https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol 

Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2. 

We have already been offered code snip pets, a dev box, a db server, and 
several peop le have decided to volunteer time to make this happen. 

The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a possibly paid 
support/features option, or maybe a model similar to obs ervium where the is a 
"community" (free as in beer) version that comes out every 6mo or so, and a 
"paid" version with newer features and direct support. We're not sure yet, b ut 
we want to make this project accessible and fairly vendor-neutral. 

If any of you could v olunteer time, support, code, documentation, ideas, etc. 
it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by and for the WISP 
community. Thank you! 
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[Ubnt_users] groundcontrol project

[Josh Reynolds]

For those of you who haven't heard, several of us started a new project 
yesterday.


https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol

Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2.

We have already been offered code snippets, a dev box, a db server, and 
several people have decided to volunteer time to make this happen.


The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a possibly 
paid support/features option, or maybe a model similar to observium 
where the is a "community" (free as in beer) version that comes out 
every 6mo or so, and a "paid" version with newer features and direct 
support. We're not sure yet, but we want to make this project accessible 
and fairly vendor-neutral.


If any of you could volunteer time, support, code, documentation, ideas, 
etc.it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by and for the 
WISP community. Thank you!


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Re: [Ubnt_users] Sharing code Vol 897, Issue 2

[RickG]

Obviously, free is hard to compete with but I'd be happy to pay a nominal
fee for a working "management application"!

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Chappy WISP | mvWiFi, llc 
wrote:

>  I don't suppose you'd be interested in sharing some of that code? Seems
> like such a waste for each of us to reinvent the wheel. Some modules that
> can be linked together could save a lot of time for some of us.  I waited
> as I thought the third try for UBNT had to be the magic one.  Damn!
>
>
> *Nicholas Sarakas*
> We use a few different things.  For Ubiquiti firmware upgrades en masse,
> we use AirControl 2.  We do end up doing a lot of manual upgrades when a
> field tech is on site or while the customer is on the phone with tech
> support.  As for monitoring, we have our home-brewed NORM that pulls
> everything via SSH and monitors/graphs the basics (RSSI, Noise, AirMax
> Qual/Cap, SNR, & Rx/Tx Rates) as well as a pulling most of the basics such
> as LAN/WLAN stats into a table.  Everything is stored so we can compare
> what a customer looked like last spring last spring when the trees were
> blooming vs this spring or see that their signal suddenly tanked 3 weeks
> ago around the time we change a frequency or a customer got a new router,
> etc.  We try to keep our configs as basic as possible so that mass config
> changes are kept to a minimum.  Since most anything can be done with SSH on
> Ubiquiti gear, if it came down to anything as simple as changing the
> password on all SMs, we'd use a Linux script that would bash (sorry for the
> pun, I couldn't help myself) away at everything. ;)
>
> Bob Fynbo
>
> Chappy WISP | mvWiFi, llc
>
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Kevin Lamothe]

Client of mine uses airbreak.io for logging/monitoring, two days ago the 
DNS provider they used got hit with a 3-4 hour DDoS.

The whole system crumbled because of this.

Moral of the story: put it all in the cloud and things will be fine... 
wait I think I got that wrong. ;)

On 12/3/2014 11:43 AM, Kees H wrote:
> Well in the early 80's we had stand-alone wordprocessors. (yes with a 
> whopping 32k of ram!) then the mid 80 we went to "shared systems" the 
> centrol box with many stand-alones hanging from it. Then PCs came out 
> and IBM sold everyone on the concept that everyone should have all the 
> data on their own PC. Then Novell & MS started servers and we went 
> back to the network model. And now we added the wide area network.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>
> haven't i seen a presentation again and again how this trend
> reverses every what, 10 years?
> so, maybe, soon, it'll all start moving back to the desktop/server
> less cloud again?
> some things belong in the cloud. most things do not.
> (my take on things)
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Steve Barnes 
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:34 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>
> I want to first go on record as saying I to dislike the idea
> of a cloud based management tool.
>
> However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a
> Java app and not having a web UI for our phones and other
> devices. When Ben Moore said that we would not have to worry
> about that in the next version I kind of thought about a
> hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly not”.
>
> Another point that I want to make is that US WISPs are not
> their largest market. I am sure that it is a large market for
> them but not the largest. I expect they are trying to be
> uniform across all their platforms worldwide. I assume we will
> see Unifi and Mfi eventually go ALL Cloud based. Everything
> from AP, CPE, Router, WiFi, Lights, Phones, Cameras, and even
> thermostat controlled from the cloud.
>
> The hacking possibility of all this is huge. But everything I
> see is moving this way. The local school Corp in our area just
> released 2 techs and converted ever thing they could to
> virtual off-site with remote monitoring and control of all
> equipment from WiFi Aps and Net Switches to Servers and
> workstations. The IT Manager says he loves the reduced work
> load but sees now he has handed the keys to someone else and
> has a lot less control. All he does now is move wires and swap
> equipment.
>
> All the NEST products, personal IP Security Cameras all are
> already in the cloud. The general techy populous are starting
> to except it. I think lots of WISPs will be less likely since
> they feel less in control of their networks and we are all
> about control. But I don’t think we are going to stop this trend.
>
> *Steven Barnes*
>
> GM
>
> PCSWIN.com
>
> Howard LLC.
>
> *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 10:37 PM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>
> Well right. That's why I said few and not none.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
>
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds"  >
> *To: *"ubnt users"  >
> *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36:33 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>
> It was in alpha for 7-8 months before it hit the "public" beta
> today.
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>
> spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com  
>
> On 12/01/2014 06:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> It was announced today, so few are familiar.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  

Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNT Specific PHP code Vol 896, Issue 8

[Brian Wilson]

php? ick. Then you won't want the python code I am writing? :-)

Has anyone here ever tried noc?
https://kb.nocproject.org/display/SITE/NOC

I found it when searching for MT and UBNT code and played with it until I
hit language issues. I can't read Russian docs!

Brian

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Ken Patrick  wrote:

> Me too.PLease send any php code for monitoring
>
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[Ubnt_users] Sharing code Vol 897, Issue 2

[Chappy WISP | mvWiFi, llc]

I don't suppose you'd be interested in sharing some of that code? Seems 
like such a waste for each of us to reinvent the wheel. Some modules 
that can be linked together could save a lot of time for some of us.  I 
waited as I thought the third try for UBNT had to be the magic one.  Damn!



*Nicholas Sarakas*
We use a few different things.  For Ubiquiti firmware upgrades en masse, 
we use AirControl 2.  We do end up doing a lot of manual upgrades when a 
field tech is on site or while the customer is on the phone with tech 
support.  As for monitoring, we have our home-brewed NORM that pulls 
everything via SSH and monitors/graphs the basics (RSSI, Noise, AirMax 
Qual/Cap, SNR, & Rx/Tx Rates) as well as a pulling most of the basics 
such as LAN/WLAN stats into a table.  Everything is stored so we can 
compare what a customer looked like last spring last spring when the 
trees were blooming vs this spring or see that their signal suddenly 
tanked 3 weeks ago around the time we change a frequency or a customer 
got a new router, etc.  We try to keep our configs as basic as possible 
so that mass config changes are kept to a minimum.  Since most anything 
can be done with SSH on Ubiquiti gear, if it came down to anything as 
simple as changing the password on all SMs, we'd use a Linux script that 
would bash (sorry for the pun, I couldn't help myself) away at 
everything. ;)


Bob Fynbo

Chappy WISP | mvWiFi, llc


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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Kees H]

Well in the early 80's we had stand-alone wordprocessors.  (yes with a whopping 
32k of ram!)  then the mid 80 we went to "shared systems"  the centrol box with 
many stand-alones hanging from it.  Then PCs came out and IBM sold everyone on 
the concept that everyone should have all the data on their own PC.  Then 
Novell & MS started servers and we went back to the network model.  And now we 
added the wide area network.

  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl



  haven't i seen a presentation again and again how this trend reverses every 
what, 10 years?
  so, maybe, soon, it'll all start moving back to the desktop/server less cloud 
again?

  some things belong in the cloud.  most things do not.

  (my take on things)


- Original Message - 
From: Steve Barnes 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl


I want to first go on record as saying I to dislike the idea of a cloud 
based management tool. 

 

However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app and 
not having a web UI for our phones and other devices.  When Ben Moore said that 
we would not have to worry about that in the next version I kind of thought 
about a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly not”.

 

Another point that I want to make is that US WISPs are not their largest 
market.  I am sure that it is a large market for them but not the largest.  I 
expect they are trying to be uniform across all their platforms worldwide.  I 
assume we will see Unifi and Mfi eventually go ALL Cloud based. Everything from 
AP, CPE, Router, WiFi, Lights, Phones, Cameras, and even thermostat controlled 
from the cloud. 

 

The hacking possibility of all this is huge.  But everything I see is 
moving this way.  The local school Corp in our area just released 2 techs and 
converted ever thing they could to virtual off-site with remote monitoring and 
control of all equipment from WiFi Aps and Net Switches to Servers and 
workstations.  The IT Manager says he loves the reduced work load but sees now 
he has handed the keys to someone else and has a lot less control.  All he does 
now is move wires and swap equipment. 

 

All the NEST products, personal IP Security Cameras all are already in the 
cloud. The general techy populous are starting to except it.  I think lots of 
WISPs will be less likely since they feel less in control of their networks and 
we are all about control. But I don’t think we are going to stop this trend.

 

Steven Barnes

GM

PCSWIN.com

Howard LLC.

 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 10:37 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 

Well right. That's why I said few and not none.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com








From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: "ubnt users" 
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

It was in alpha for 7-8 months before it hit the "public" beta today.

josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 
12/01/2014 06:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  It was announced today, so few are familiar.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com




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  From: "Robert Andrews" 
  To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
  Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:22:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  Ok, but when the device contacts the cloud why can't the cloud at that 
point start the update?   I'm not really familiar with the product but what is 
the frequency of the cloud to ground discharge ( or the other way around )...



  On 12/1/14 7:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The cloud doesn't contact the devices, the devices initiate connection 
to the cloud.

(to be fair)

josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 
12/01/2014 06:08 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Kinda hard to point to a bunch of wavy hand WISPs about the size of your 
management adoption for the investors, but nuts dead simple if they are on your 
cloud system...   And if the FCC changes the rules   Guess what can be 
forced to update for compliance with or without your say so... Hm  On 
12/1/14 4:45 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:On 12/1/14, 16:44, Kees H wrote:Why would 
I waste public ips on my radios, so ubnt can have control of myradios?  Don't 
they know ARIN is running out of IPv4 a

Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNT Specific PHP code Vol 896, Issue 8

[eric-list]

Here’s what I was looking at to program up a Watch application:

https://github.com/ITJamie/UBNT-AirOS

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Eric Tykwinski

TrueNet, Inc.

P: 610-429-8300

F: 610-429-3222

 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ken Patrick
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 10:04 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNT Specific PHP code Vol 896, Issue 8

 

Me too.PLease send any php code for monitoring

 

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Chappy WISP | mvWiFi, llc  
wrote:

I would be very interested in any php code out there to pull information from 
UBNT devices and participating in creating a decent monitoring tool.  I would 
like to stay as 'off the shelf' as possible to make it easy to alter.  Why not 
use mySQL for the database?  Fast, native, and easy to create custom reports 
from.  

Anyway - any php code available I'd really like to take a look at.

Bob Fynbo 

Chappy WISP | mvWiFi, llc 

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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Mike Hammett]

As soon as the vendors run out of things to sell, let's manufacture a reason to 
go buy something else. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:28:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 

 

haven't i seen a presentation again and again how this trend reverses every 
what, 10 years? 
so, maybe, soon, it'll all start moving back to the desktop/server less cloud 
again? 

some things belong in the cloud. most things do not. 

(my take on things) 




- Original Message - 
From: Steve Barnes 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 



I want to first go on record as saying I to dislike the idea of a cloud based 
management tool. 

However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app and not 
having a web UI for our phones and other devices. When Ben Moore said that we 
would not have to worry about that in the next version I kind of thought about 
a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly not”. 

Another point that I want to make is that US WISPs are not their largest 
market. I am sure that it is a large market for them but not the largest. I 
expect they are trying to be uniform across all their platforms worldwide. I 
assume we will see Unifi and Mfi eventually go ALL Cloud based. Everything from 
AP, CPE, Router, WiFi, Lights, Phones, Cameras, and even thermostat controlled 
from the cloud. 

The hacking possibility of all this is huge. But everything I see is moving 
this way. The local school Corp in our area just released 2 techs and converted 
ever thing they could to virtual off-site with remote monitoring and control of 
all equipment from WiFi Aps and Net Switches to Servers and workstations. The 
IT Manager says he loves the reduced work load but sees now he has handed the 
keys to someone else and has a lot less control. All he does now is move wires 
and swap equipment. 

All the NEST products, personal IP Security Cameras all are already in the 
cloud. The general techy populous are starting to except it. I think lots of 
WISPs will be less likely since they feel less in control of their networks and 
we are all about control. But I don’t think we are going to stop this trend. 


Steven Barnes 
GM 
PCSWIN.com 
Howard LLC. 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 10:37 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 


Well right. That's why I said few and not none. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 




- Original Message -


From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@spitwspots.com > 
To: "ubnt users" < ubnt_users@wispa.org > 
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 

It was in alpha for 7-8 months before it hit the "public" beta today. josh 
reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/01/2014 06:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



It was announced today, so few are familiar. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 


- Original Message -


From: "Robert Andrews"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:22:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 

Ok, but when the device contacts the cloud why can't the cloud at that point 
start the update? I'm not really familiar with the product but what is the 
frequency of the cloud to ground discharge ( or the other way around )... 



On 12/1/14 7:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 



The cloud doesn't contact the devices, the devices initiate connection to the 
cloud. 

(to be fair) josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: 
www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/01/2014 06:08 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: 

Kinda hard to point to a bunch of wavy hand WISPs about the size of your 
management adoption for the investors, but nuts dead simple if they are on your 
cloud system...   And if the FCC changes the rules   Guess what can be 
forced to update for compliance with or without your say so... Hm On 
12/1/14 4:45 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: 

On 12/1/14, 16:44, Kees H wrote: 

Why would I waste public ips on my radios, so ubnt can have control of my 
radios?  Don't they know ARIN is running out of IPv4 addresses? 

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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Kees H]

And part if the "ost thing do not"is all my stuff. :-)
  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl



  haven't i seen a presentation again and again how this trend reverses every 
what, 10 years?
  so, maybe, soon, it'll all start moving back to the desktop/server less cloud 
again?

  some things belong in the cloud.  most things do not.

  (my take on things)


- Original Message - 
From: Steve Barnes 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl


I want to first go on record as saying I to dislike the idea of a cloud 
based management tool. 

 

However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app and 
not having a web UI for our phones and other devices.  When Ben Moore said that 
we would not have to worry about that in the next version I kind of thought 
about a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly not”.

 

Another point that I want to make is that US WISPs are not their largest 
market.  I am sure that it is a large market for them but not the largest.  I 
expect they are trying to be uniform across all their platforms worldwide.  I 
assume we will see Unifi and Mfi eventually go ALL Cloud based. Everything from 
AP, CPE, Router, WiFi, Lights, Phones, Cameras, and even thermostat controlled 
from the cloud. 

 

The hacking possibility of all this is huge.  But everything I see is 
moving this way.  The local school Corp in our area just released 2 techs and 
converted ever thing they could to virtual off-site with remote monitoring and 
control of all equipment from WiFi Aps and Net Switches to Servers and 
workstations.  The IT Manager says he loves the reduced work load but sees now 
he has handed the keys to someone else and has a lot less control.  All he does 
now is move wires and swap equipment. 

 

All the NEST products, personal IP Security Cameras all are already in the 
cloud. The general techy populous are starting to except it.  I think lots of 
WISPs will be less likely since they feel less in control of their networks and 
we are all about control. But I don’t think we are going to stop this trend.

 

Steven Barnes

GM

PCSWIN.com

Howard LLC.

 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 10:37 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 

Well right. That's why I said few and not none.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com








From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: "ubnt users" 
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

It was in alpha for 7-8 months before it hit the "public" beta today.

josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 
12/01/2014 06:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  It was announced today, so few are familiar.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com




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  From: "Robert Andrews" 
  To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
  Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:22:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  Ok, but when the device contacts the cloud why can't the cloud at that 
point start the update?   I'm not really familiar with the product but what is 
the frequency of the cloud to ground discharge ( or the other way around )...



  On 12/1/14 7:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The cloud doesn't contact the devices, the devices initiate connection 
to the cloud.

(to be fair)

josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 
12/01/2014 06:08 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Kinda hard to point to a bunch of wavy hand WISPs about the size of your 
management adoption for the investors, but nuts dead simple if they are on your 
cloud system...   And if the FCC changes the rules   Guess what can be 
forced to update for compliance with or without your say so... Hm  On 
12/1/14 4:45 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:On 12/1/14, 16:44, Kees H wrote:Why would 
I waste public ips on my radios, so ubnt can have control of myradios?  Don't 
they know ARIN is running out of IPv4 addresses?But it's CLOUD. 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNT Specific PHP code Vol 896, Issue 8

[Ken Patrick]

Me too.PLease send any php code for monitoring

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Chappy WISP | mvWiFi, llc 
wrote:

>  I would be very interested in any php code out there to pull information
> from UBNT devices and participating in creating a decent monitoring tool.
> I would like to stay as 'off the shelf' as possible to make it easy to
> alter.  Why not use mySQL for the database?  Fast, native, and easy to
> create custom reports from.
>
> Anyway - any php code available I'd really like to take a look at.
>
> Bob Fynbo
>
> Chappy WISP | mvWiFi, llc
>
>  --
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>2. Re: New airControl (Chris Ruschmann)
>3. Re: New airControl (Terry Duchcherer)
>4. Re: New airControl (Chris Ruschmann)
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[Ubnt_users] UBNT Specific PHP code Vol 896, Issue 8

[Chappy WISP | mvWiFi, llc]

I would be very interested in any php code out there to pull information 
from UBNT devices and participating in creating a decent monitoring 
tool.  I would like to stay as 'off the shelf' as possible to make it 
easy to alter. Why not use mySQL for the database?  Fast, native, and 
easy to create custom reports from.


Anyway - any php code available I'd really like to take a look at.

Bob Fynbo

Chappy WISP | mvWiFi, llc


i...@mvwifi.com | 508-939-3099 | https://www.mvwifi.com


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