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[Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC?

2014-12-16 Thread Jerry Richardson

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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett

"Up to 125 Mbps capacity" 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:49:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 



With a pair of 20mhz channels (or even a 10 and a 20), it would certainly be 
worthwhile... with 3550-3650 it would definitely make sense. 

If I remember correctly, PTP450 in 3.65 is pretty close to the same price as 
AF5... maybe a bit less. I think they claim something like 125Mbps... so yeah, 
airfiber would probably perform better, even if it was limited to half duplex. 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21 PM 
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 




It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20 mhz channels and 
1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD . I would expect between $2000-$3000 per 
link. 

What does a PTP 450 in 3.65 run price wise? P erformance? 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: 


Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible 
in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it 
would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 
PTP450.

I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products 
being made to work with the new rules.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.

If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com  On 12/16/2014 
04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  
 wrote:



 I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
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ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  ] on
behalf of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com  ]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
*To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org  *Subject:* Re: 
[Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

  AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com  On 12/16/2014 
03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mathew Howard

With a pair of 20mhz channels (or even a 10 and a 20), it would certainly be 
worthwhile... with 3550-3650 it would definitely make sense.

If I remember correctly, PTP450 in 3.65 is pretty close to the same price as 
AF5... maybe a bit less. I think they claim something like 125Mbps... so yeah, 
airfiber would probably perform better, even if it was limited to half duplex.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20mhz channels and 
1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD. I would expect between $2000-$3000 per 
link.

What does a PTP450 in 3.65 run price wise? Performance?

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible 
in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it 
would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 
PTP450.

I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products 
being made to work with the new rules.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.

If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: 
www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" 

 wrote:



 I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
 --
*From:* 
ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
 on
behalf of Josh Reynolds 
[j...@spitwspots.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
*To:* 
ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

  AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: 
www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



Thanks.









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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett

The ePMP is faster than the PMP, just uses more spectrum. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:45:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


The force110 ptp is 220 megs so I'm sure the 450 meets or exceeds. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Dec 16, 2014 9:43 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispaubntus...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I'm guessing ~100 megs HDX as that's what the PMP450 does. Not sure price wise. 




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From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@spitwspots.com > 
To: "ubnt users" < ubnt_users@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20 mhz channels and 
1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD . I would expect between $2000-$3000 per 
link. 

What does a PTP 450 in 3.65 run price wise? P erformance? 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: 


Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible 
in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it 
would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 
PTP450.

I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products 
being made to work with the new rules.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.

If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com  On 12/16/2014 
04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  
 wrote:



 I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
 --
*From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  [ 
ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  ] on
behalf of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com  ]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
*To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org  *Subject:* Re: 
[Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

  AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com  On 12/16/2014 
03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



Thanks.









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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman

The force110 ptp is 220 megs so I'm sure the 450 meets or exceeds.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
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On Dec 16, 2014 9:43 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I'm guessing ~100 megs HDX as that's what the PMP450 does. Not sure price
> wise.
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *"ubnt users" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21:59 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
>
> It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20mhz channels and
> 1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD. I would expect between $2000-$3000
> per link.
>
> What does a PTP450 in 3.65 run price wise? Performance?
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be 
> possible in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm 
> not sure it would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now 
> with a 3.65 PTP450.
>
> I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
> they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current 
> products being made to work with the new rules.
>
> 
> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
> of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
> To: Ubiquiti Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
>
> A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
> to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.
>
> If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out 
> first.
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
> 
>
> On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
> spectrum :/
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  
>   wrote:
>
>
>
>  I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
>  --
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
>  
> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] on
> behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com 
> ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
> *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org 
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
>
>   AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
> and 160MHz wide channels.
>
> 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
> 
>
> On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
>
> Would solve some BH issues.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett

Sorry. I just knew it was higher than AF24. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:43:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 



AF5 can actually do QAM1024. 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:41 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 




AF5 is QAM256. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:39:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


Isn't AF24 QAM64? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Dec 16, 2014 9:38 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispaubntus...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




and higher QAM and ditching that 802.11 overhead. 




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From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < ubnt_users@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:30:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of 
spectrum :/ 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM 
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 




AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 
160MHz wide channels. 

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson 
(airCloud) wrote: 


Would solve some BH issues.

 

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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mathew Howard

AF5 can actually do QAM1024.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

AF5 is QAM256.



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From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:39:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios


Isn't AF24 QAM64?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 16, 2014 9:38 PM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
and higher QAM and ditching that 802.11 overhead.



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From: "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:30:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios


With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of 
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 
160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett

I'm guessing ~100 megs HDX as that's what the PMP450 does. Not sure price wise. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: "ubnt users"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20 mhz channels and 
1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD . I would expect between $2000-$3000 per 
link. 

What does a PTP 450 in 3.65 run price wise? P erformance? 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: 


Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible 
in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it 
would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 
PTP450.

I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products 
being made to work with the new rules.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.

If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com  On 12/16/2014 
04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  
 wrote:



 I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
 --
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ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  ] on
behalf of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com  ]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
*To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org  *Subject:* Re: 
[Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

  AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com  On 12/16/2014 
03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Reynolds

It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20mhzchannels and 
1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD. I would expect between $2000-$3000 
per link.


What does a PTP450 in 3.65 runprice wise? Performance?

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible 
in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it 
would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 
PTP450.

I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products 
being made to work with the new rules.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.

If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
 wrote:



  I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
  --
*From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on
behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
*To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

   AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett

AF5 is QAM256. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:39:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


Isn't AF24 QAM64? 
Josh Luthman 
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Direct: 937-552-2343 
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Suite 1337 
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On Dec 16, 2014 9:38 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispaubntus...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




and higher QAM and ditching that 802.11 overhead. 




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From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < ubnt_users@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:30:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of 
spectrum :/ 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM 
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 




AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 
160MHz wide channels. 

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson 
(airCloud) wrote: 


Would solve some BH issues.

 

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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman

Isn't AF24 QAM64?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Dec 16, 2014 9:38 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> and higher QAM and ditching that 802.11 overhead.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:30:46 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
>
> With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
> spectrum :/
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
>>  I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
>>  --
>> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on
>> behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
>> *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
>>
>>   AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
>> and 160MHz wide channels.
>>
>> 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.
>>
>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
>>
>> Would solve some BH issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett

and higher QAM and ditching that 802.11 overhead. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:30:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of 
spectrum :/ 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM 
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 




AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 
160MHz wide channels. 

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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(airCloud) wrote: 


Would solve some BH issues.

 

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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mathew Howard

Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible 
in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it 
would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 
PTP450.

I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products 
being made to work with the new rules.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.

If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
 wrote:



 I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
 --
*From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on
behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
*To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

  AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Reynolds

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push 
that up to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.


If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play 
out first.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:


  I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
  --
*From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on
behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
*To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

   AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

>  I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
>  --
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on
> behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
> *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
>
>   AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
> and 160MHz wide channels.
>
> 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
>
> Would solve some BH issues.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mathew Howard

I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 
160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.

Thanks.

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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Reynolds

AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 
and 160MHz wide channels.


3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.

  


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2014-12-16 Thread Jerry Richardson (airCloud)

Would solve some BH issues.

 

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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Reynolds

Which I guess would be a problem if you're not already an E-Rate 
provider (we are).


Yes, in certain states I have heard of some crazy things school 
district admins contacting their friends in the MSP world to come up 
with an e-rate service RFP (which is tailored for the MSP in mind), 
e-rate "consultants" who get paid big $$,$$$ just to come up with an RFP 
and "filter out unwanted offerings", etc.


Good-ole boy network type of stuff. (pun intended)

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 04:42 AM, ralph wrote:

Regarding your mention of the School system-

  


The Schools are getting big in this E-Rate stuff. Entire states are asking for 
proposals for full managed services, probably both because they can get rid of 
people and take advantage of the E-Rate. I’ve seen one State’s RFP and it is so 
full of things that I don’t even know are possible yet…

  


Unless we can play in the E-Rate space, we will have more and more limited 
usefulness as a provider to Schools and Libraries, I’m afraid.

  


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:34 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  


I want to first go on record as saying I to dislike the idea of a cloud based 
management tool.

  


However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app and not 
having a web UI for our phones and other devices.  When Ben Moore said that we 
would not have to worry about that in the next version I kind of thought about 
a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly not”.

  


Another point that I want to make is that US WISPs are not their largest 
market.  I am sure that it is a large market for them but not the largest.  I 
expect they are trying to be uniform across all their platforms worldwide.  I 
assume we will see Unifi and Mfi eventually go ALL Cloud based. Everything from 
AP, CPE, Router, WiFi, Lights, Phones, Cameras, and even thermostat controlled 
from the cloud.

  


The hacking possibility of all this is huge.  But everything I see is moving 
this way.  The local school Corp in our area just released 2 techs and 
converted ever thing they could to virtual off-site with remote monitoring and 
control of all equipment from WiFi Aps and Net Switches to Servers and 
workstations.  The IT Manager says he loves the reduced work load but sees now 
he has handed the keys to someone else and has a lot less control.  All he does 
now is move wires and swap equipment.

  


All the NEST products, personal IP Security Cameras all are already in the 
cloud. The general techy populous are starting to except it.  I think lots of 
WISPs will be less likely since they feel less in control of their networks and 
we are all about control. But I don’t think we are going to stop this trend.

  


Steven Barnes

GM

PCSWIN.com

Howard LLC.

  


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org   
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 10:37 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  


Well right. That's why I said few and not none.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

    
  
  


   _

From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@spitwspots.com> >
To: "ubnt users" mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org> >
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

It was in alpha for 7-8 months before it hit the "public" beta today.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 

On 12/01/2014 06:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

It was announced today, so few are familiar.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

    
  
  



   _


From: "Robert Andrews"   

To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"   
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:22:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Ok, but when the device contacts the cloud why can't the cloud at that point 
start the update?   I'm not really familiar with the product but what is the 
frequency of the cloud to ground discharge ( or the other way around )...

On 12/1/14 7:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The cloud doesn't contact the devices, the devices initiate connection to the 
cloud.

(to be fair)

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 

On 12/01/2014 0

Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

2014-12-16 Thread Mathew Howard

It seems like nobody cares about that sort of thing... bigger is always better, 
obviously.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:50 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Why isn't anybody petitioning IEEE for smaller channel sizes as the big ones 
are generally not needed. A 10 MHz channel of 2x2 AC would provide ~100 
megabits of usable throughput.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:43:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

So basically, the AC standard doesn't support anything beyond N in 2.4ghz, but 
there are chipsets out there that added the useful stuff anyway... that makes 
sense.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

A.1 802.11ac only 
specifies operation in the 5 GHz band. Operation in the 2.4 GHz band is 
specified by 802.11n.
B.1 
2 
3 With 802.11n, 
600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band can be achieved by using four spatial streams at 
150 Mbit/s each. As of September 2014, commercially available devices that 
achieve 600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band use 3 spatial streams at 200 Mbit/s 
each.[8][9]
 This requires the use of 256-QAM modulation, which is not compliant with 
802.11n and can be considered a proprietary 
extension.[9]

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]

From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:19:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Maybe during initial production, but the ac protocol covers the 2.4 band.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM

To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Use a channel size appropriate for the environment?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]

From: "ralph" mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org>>
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping 
out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any 
more?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_u

Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett

Why isn't anybody petitioning IEEE for smaller channel sizes as the big ones 
are generally not needed. A 10 MHz channel of 2x2 AC would provide ~100 
megabits of usable throughput. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:43:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 



So basically, the AC standard doesn't support anything beyond N in 2.4ghz, but 
there are chipsets out there that added the useful stuff anyway... that makes 
sense. 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:34 AM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 




A. 1 802.11ac only specifies operation in the 5 GHz band. Operation in the 2.4 
GHz band is specified by 802.11n. B. 1 2 3 With 802.11n, 600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 
GHz band can be achieved by using four spatial streams at 150 Mbit/s each. As 
of September 2014, commercially available devices that achieve 600 Mbit/s in 
the 2.4 GHz band use 3 spatial streams at 200 Mbit/s each. [ 8 ] [ 9 ] This 
requires the use of 256-QAM modulation, which is not compliant with 802.11n and 
can be considered a proprietary extension. [ 9 ] 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:19:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 


Maybe during initial production, but the ac protocol covers the 2.4 band. 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac 







Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Mathew Howard < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case? 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [ wispaubntus...@ics-il.net ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM 


To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 






Use a channel size appropriate for the environment? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "ralph" < ralphli...@bsrg.org > 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < ubnt_users@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 



And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping 
out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any 
more? 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 


Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate... 



On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes < st...@pcswin.com > wrote: 




+1000 


Steve Barnes 
PCSWIN.com 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 



Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our 
customers with 5ghz only... 

AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start. 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of j...@spitwspots.com [ j...@spitwspots.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 

Ac is only designed around 5ghz. 

What's it with you and 2ghz? :) 

On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> wrote: 



The ac stuff is 5 GHz only? 



I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs 
(RM2 for example). 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume 
you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine. 





From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 




So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct? 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > wrote: 



11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to 
transition a tower. Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good

Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

2014-12-16 Thread Mathew Howard

So basically, the AC standard doesn't support anything beyond N in 2.4ghz, but 
there are chipsets out there that added the useful stuff anyway... that makes 
sense.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

A.1 802.11ac only 
specifies operation in the 5 GHz band. Operation in the 2.4 GHz band is 
specified by 802.11n.
B.1 
2 
3 With 802.11n, 
600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band can be achieved by using four spatial streams at 
150 Mbit/s each. As of September 2014, commercially available devices that 
achieve 600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band use 3 spatial streams at 200 Mbit/s 
each.[8][9]
 This requires the use of 256-QAM modulation, which is not compliant with 
802.11n and can be considered a proprietary 
extension.[9]

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]

From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:19:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Maybe during initial production, but the ac protocol covers the 2.4 band.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM

To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Use a channel size appropriate for the environment?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]

From: "ralph" mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org>>
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping 
out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any 
more?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate...

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes 
mailto:st...@pcswin.com>> wrote:
+1000

Steve Barnes
PCSWIN.com

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our 
customers with 5ghz only...

AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of j...@spitwspots.com 
[j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
Ac is only designed around 5ghz.

What's it with you and 2ghz? :)
On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginen

Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett

A. 1 802.11ac only specifies operation in the 5 GHz band. Operation in the 2.4 
GHz band is specified by 802.11n. B. 1 2 3 With 802.11n, 600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 
GHz band can be achieved by using four spatial streams at 150 Mbit/s each. As 
of September 2014, commercially available devices that achieve 600 Mbit/s in 
the 2.4 GHz band use 3 spatial streams at 200 Mbit/s each. [ 8 ] [ 9 ] This 
requires the use of 256-QAM modulation, which is not compliant with 802.11n and 
can be considered a proprietary extension. [ 9 ] 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:19:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 


Maybe during initial production, but the ac protocol covers the 2.4 band. 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac 







Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Mathew Howard < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case? 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [ wispaubntus...@ics-il.net ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM 


To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 






Use a channel size appropriate for the environment? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "ralph" < ralphli...@bsrg.org > 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < ubnt_users@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 



And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping 
out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any 
more? 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 


Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate... 



On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes < st...@pcswin.com > wrote: 




+1000 


Steve Barnes 
PCSWIN.com 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 



Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our 
customers with 5ghz only... 

AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start. 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of j...@spitwspots.com [ j...@spitwspots.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 

Ac is only designed around 5ghz. 

What's it with you and 2ghz? :) 

On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> wrote: 



The ac stuff is 5 GHz only? 



I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs 
(RM2 for example). 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume 
you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine. 





From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 




So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct? 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > wrote: 



11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to 
transition a tower. Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC 
network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n. 





On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





That's what I've been assuming too... 

Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility added to 
the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series? 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [ wispaubntus...@ics-il.net ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 


I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the 
M-series connection to the AC. I'm guessing... 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Steve Barnes" < st...@pcswin.com

Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett

At UBNT's scale, they can dictate what's in the chipsets. Mimosa ships far less 
than UBNT and has influence over what's in their chipsets. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:16:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 



I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case? 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 




Use a channel size appropriate for the environment? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "ralph"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 



And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping 
out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any 
more? 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 


Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate... 



On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes < st...@pcswin.com > wrote: 




+1000 


Steve Barnes 
PCSWIN.com 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 



Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our 
customers with 5ghz only... 

AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start. 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of j...@spitwspots.com [ j...@spitwspots.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 

Ac is only designed around 5ghz. 

What's it with you and 2ghz? :) 

On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> wrote: 



The ac stuff is 5 GHz only? 



I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs 
(RM2 for example). 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume 
you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine. 





From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 




So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct? 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > wrote: 



11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to 
transition a tower. Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC 
network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n. 





On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





That's what I've been assuming too... 

Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility added to 
the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series? 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [ wispaubntus...@ics-il.net ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 


I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the 
M-series connection to the AC. I'm guessing... 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Steve Barnes" < st...@pcswin.com > 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < ubnt_users@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:16:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 

Ben, I asked before but haven’t gotten word, can you speak to the Backwards 
compatibility of the new units? 

Steven Barnes 
GM 
PCSWIN.com 
Howard LLC. 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:14 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 


Yes, difference is airprism...and the fact that this one is PTP locked (the 
lite will do both PTMP and PTP). 



On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Mathew Howard < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





Yes, the spectrum analyz

Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman

Maybe during initial production, but the ac protocol covers the 2.4 band.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

>  I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case?
>
>  --
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on
> behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM
>
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
>
>   Use a channel size appropriate for the environment?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
>  --
>  *From: *"ralph" 
> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
>
>  And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without
> wiping out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about
> others any more?
>
>
>
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
>
>
>
> Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>
>  +1000
>
>
>
> Steve Barnes
>
> PCSWIN.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
>
>
>
> Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our
> customers with 5ghz only...
>
> AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start.
>   --
>
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on
> behalf of j...@spitwspots.com [j...@spitwspots.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
>
> Ac is only designed around 5ghz.
>
> What's it with you and 2ghz? :)
>
> On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>  The ac stuff is 5 GHz only?
>
>
>
> I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax
> APs (RM2 for example).
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>   Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I
> assume you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work
> fine.
>
>   --
>
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on
> behalf of Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
>
> So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>  11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you
> to transition a tower.  Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100%
> AC network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>   That's what I've been assuming too...
>
> Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility
> added to the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series?
>   --
>
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on
> behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
>
> I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the
> M-series connection to the AC.   I'm guessing...
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  --
>
> *From: *"Steve Barnes" 
> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:16:24 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
>
> Ben, I asked before but haven’t gotten word, can you speak to the
> Back

Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

2014-12-16 Thread Mathew Howard

I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Use a channel size appropriate for the environment?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]

From: "ralph" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping 
out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any 
more?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate...

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes 
mailto:st...@pcswin.com>> wrote:
+1000

Steve Barnes
PCSWIN.com

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our 
customers with 5ghz only...

AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of j...@spitwspots.com 
[j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
Ac is only designed around 5ghz.

What's it with you and 2ghz? :)
On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
The ac stuff is 5 GHz only?

I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs 
(RM2 for example).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume 
you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
[j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:
11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to 
transition a tower.  Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC 
network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
That's what I've been assuming too...

Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility added to 
the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the 
M-series connection to the AC.   I'm guessing...

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]

Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett

Use a channel size appropriate for the environment? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "ralph"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 



And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping 
out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any 
more? 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 


Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate... 



On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes < st...@pcswin.com > wrote: 




+1000 


Steve Barnes 
PCSWIN.com 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 



Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our 
customers with 5ghz only... 

AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start. 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of j...@spitwspots.com [ j...@spitwspots.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 

Ac is only designed around 5ghz. 

What's it with you and 2ghz? :) 

On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> wrote: 



The ac stuff is 5 GHz only? 



I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs 
(RM2 for example). 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume 
you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine. 





From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 




So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct? 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > wrote: 



11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to 
transition a tower. Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC 
network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n. 





On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





That's what I've been assuming too... 

Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility added to 
the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series? 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [ wispaubntus...@ics-il.net ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 


I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the 
M-series connection to the AC. I'm guessing... 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Steve Barnes" < st...@pcswin.com > 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < ubnt_users@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:16:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 

Ben, I asked before but haven’t gotten word, can you speak to the Backwards 
compatibility of the new units? 

Steven Barnes 
GM 
PCSWIN.com 
Howard LLC. 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:14 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 


Yes, difference is airprism...and the fact that this one is PTP locked (the 
lite will do both PTMP and PTP). 



On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Mathew Howard < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





Yes, the spectrum analyzer is quite nice... even if the only Rocket I have that 
it works on is sitting on my desk. :p 

So is the only difference with this new Rocket AirPrism, or are there other 
changes as well? 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Ben Moore [ ben.mo...@ubnt.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:27 PM 



To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs 





;-) I think you guys will really like the new SW tools being added (especially 
the persistent spectrum analyzer...lots that can be done with that). Will send 
out some details shortly on PTMP networks in the wild ;) 



On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Mathew Howard <

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-16 Thread ralph

Regarding your mention of the School system-



The Schools are getting big in this E-Rate stuff. Entire states are asking for 
proposals for full managed services, probably both because they can get rid of 
people and take advantage of the E-Rate. I’ve seen one State’s RFP and it is so 
full of things that I don’t even know are possible yet…



Unless we can play in the E-Rate space, we will have more and more limited 
usefulness as a provider to Schools and Libraries, I’m afraid.



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:34 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl



I want to first go on record as saying I to dislike the idea of a cloud based 
management tool.



However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app and not 
having a web UI for our phones and other devices.  When Ben Moore said that we 
would not have to worry about that in the next version I kind of thought about 
a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly not”.



Another point that I want to make is that US WISPs are not their largest 
market.  I am sure that it is a large market for them but not the largest.  I 
expect they are trying to be uniform across all their platforms worldwide.  I 
assume we will see Unifi and Mfi eventually go ALL Cloud based. Everything from 
AP, CPE, Router, WiFi, Lights, Phones, Cameras, and even thermostat controlled 
from the cloud.



The hacking possibility of all this is huge.  But everything I see is moving 
this way.  The local school Corp in our area just released 2 techs and 
converted ever thing they could to virtual off-site with remote monitoring and 
control of all equipment from WiFi Aps and Net Switches to Servers and 
workstations.  The IT Manager says he loves the reduced work load but sees now 
he has handed the keys to someone else and has a lot less control.  All he does 
now is move wires and swap equipment.



All the NEST products, personal IP Security Cameras all are already in the 
cloud. The general techy populous are starting to except it.  I think lots of 
WISPs will be less likely since they feel less in control of their networks and 
we are all about control. But I don’t think we are going to stop this trend.



Steven Barnes

GM

PCSWIN.com

Howard LLC.



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org   
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 10:37 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl



Well right. That's why I said few and not none.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

   
  
  


  _

From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@spitwspots.com> >
To: "ubnt users" mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org> >
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

It was in alpha for 7-8 months before it hit the "public" beta today.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 

On 12/01/2014 06:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

It was announced today, so few are familiar.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

   
  
  



  _


From: "Robert Andrews"   

To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"   
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:22:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Ok, but when the device contacts the cloud why can't the cloud at that point 
start the update?   I'm not really familiar with the product but what is the 
frequency of the cloud to ground discharge ( or the other way around )...

On 12/1/14 7:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The cloud doesn't contact the devices, the devices initiate connection to the 
cloud.

(to be fair)

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 

On 12/01/2014 06:08 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Kinda hard to point to a bunch of wavy hand WISPs about the size of your
management adoption for the investors, but nuts dead simple if they are
on your cloud system...   And if the FCC changes the rules   Guess
what can be forced to update for compliance with or without your say so...

Hm


On 12/1/14 4:45 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 12/1/14, 16:44, Kees H wrote:

Why would I waste public ips on my radios, so ubnt can have control of my
radios?  Don't they know ARIN is running out of IPv4 addresses?

But it's CLOUD.

~Seth
__

Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

2014-12-16 Thread ralph

And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping 
out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any 
more?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate...

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes mailto:st...@pcswin.com> > wrote:

+1000

Steve Barnes

PCSWIN.com

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org   
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  ] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our 
customers with 5ghz only...

AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start.

  _

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org   
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  ] on behalf 
of j...@spitwspots.com   [j...@spitwspots.com 
 ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Ac is only designed around 5ghz.

What's it with you and 2ghz? :)

On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

The ac stuff is 5 GHz only?

I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs 
(RM2 for example).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard mailto:mat...@litewire.net> > wrote:

Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume 
you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine.

  _

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org   
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  ] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
 ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com> > wrote:

11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to 
transition a tower.  Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC 
network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard mailto:mat...@litewire.net> > wrote:

That's what I've been assuming too...

Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility added to 
the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series?

  _

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org   
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  ] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net  ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the 
M-series connection to the AC.   I'm guessing...

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Steve Barnes" mailto:st...@pcswin.com> >
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org> >
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:16:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Ben, I asked before but haven’t gotten word, can you speak to the Backwards 
compatibility of the new units?

Steven Barnes

GM

PCSWIN.com

Howard LLC.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org   
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  ] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:14 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Yes, difference is airprism...and the fact that this one is PTP locked (the 
lite will do both PTMP and PTP).

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Mathew Howard mailto:mat...@litewire.net> > wrote:

Yes, the spectrum analyzer is quite nice... even if the only Rocket I have that 
it works on is sitting on my desk. :p

So is the only difference with this new Rocket AirPrism, or are there other  
changes as well?

  _

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Re: [Ubnt_users] DFS for NanoBeams

2014-12-16 Thread ralph

We were told by one of these masters that they were discontinued (5 GHz 
Nanobridge). Then that they “got UBNT to make a special run” and they would 
have some to sell and that we should pre-order. We did and got a case to get us 
by until the imminent Nanobeam FCC approval. Needless to say, that has never 
happened.



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 6:01 PM
To: 'Ubiquiti Users Group'
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] DFS for NanoBeams



Ben

I was also told by 4 masters like double radius,streakwave,scansource,micro 
saying that they cant get them anymore and being replaced by nanobeams.



Tim



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org   
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 4:59 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] DFS for NanoBeams



Steve, is our rep. But there is never any stock listed and when we call "they 
just sold out"



On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com> > wrote:

Hi Ryan -



Who is your rep from Streakwave?  They have received regular shipments and 
pulled from our US stock, so getting them should not be a problem.



Thanks,

Ben



On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Matt Hoppes mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> > wrote:

Ryan. So do I and I have not seen this shortage.


On Dec 12, 2014, at 4:08 PM, Ryan Ghering mailto:rgher...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I havent been able  to find any stock of nanobridges in a few months. We were 
forced into using other brands of gear because of this in some towers. Not 
happy And we primarily buy from baltic and streak

On Friday, December 12, 2014, Ty Featherling mailto:tyfeatherl...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Latest estimate is still next year. Sounds like first quarter.



-Ty



On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Forbes Mercy mailto:wi...@wabroadband.com> > wrote:

I admittedly don't keep up as I should on this list so I'm probably
bringing something up that has been talked about a lot, sorry.  I am out
of NanoBridges and while I'd dearly like to move to NanoBeams because
they are a much nicer radio, they are boat anchors without DFS
capabilities.  Why it's taken longer to get this certification is beyond
me but before I buy another few hundred NanoBridges (when I am lucky
enough to find a supplier that still carries them) I'd like to know if
the certification is any closer?

Thanks,
Forbes Mercy
Washington Broadband, Inc.
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