Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
5476 is lowest freq possible and that is at 10 CW. Also, AF is unforgiving if you only put in one DFS channel and it detects a hit... It goes off air and displays 'Radar Detected', and now you have a tower trip. So either make sure it is clean well around channel or place three spaced DFS channels for switching! Good note, my 22.5 mile shot just went through days of fog, most and heavy rain with no variance in QUAM or signal And it is still not fine tuned for clearer frees and aiming. On Saturday, January 3, 2015, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: To be more precise, 5150 - 5350 are unavailable on the AF5 due to hardware. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mat...@litewire.net'); *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubnt_users@wispa.org'); *Sent: *Saturday, January 3, 2015 7:27:00 PM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 AF5 has been DFS approved since it first shipped. however, it will only go down to 5.4ghz due to hardware (filter/antenna) limitations, so 5.2ghz won't be happening on the current hardware. -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org'); [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org');] on behalf of Chris Soiles [csoi...@riocities.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','csoi...@riocities.net');] *Sent:* Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:17 PM *To:* Ubiquiti Group *Subject:* [Ubnt_users] AF5 If and When they get DFS approved, will the new channels just work? Haven't bought any yet, but this could sway me to buy now vs wait Chris Soiles Owner Rio Cities csoi...@riocities.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','csoi...@riocities.net'); 505-966-6389 ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ubnt_users@wispa.org'); http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- -- Clay Stewart, CEO SCS Broadband 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@scsbroadband.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Please send sales inquiries to sa...@scsbroadband.com Please send service/repair requests to supp...@scsbroadband.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
AF5 has been DFS approved since it first shipped. however, it will only go down to 5.4ghz due to hardware (filter/antenna) limitations, so 5.2ghz won't be happening on the current hardware. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Chris Soiles [csoi...@riocities.net] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:17 PM To: Ubiquiti Group Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 If and When they get DFS approved, will the new channels just work? Haven't bought any yet, but this could sway me to buy now vs wait Chris Soiles Owner Rio Cities csoi...@riocities.netmailto:csoi...@riocities.net 505-966-6389tel:505-966-6389 ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
Correct. I haven't heard if anything is in the works or not. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Chris Soiles [csoi...@riocities.net] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:44 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 So 5.2 won't work? New hardware release needed? Sent from my iPad Chris Soiles Owner Rio Cities csoi...@riocities.netmailto:csoi...@riocities.net 505-966-6389tel:505-966-6389 On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:30 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: AF5 has been DFS approved since it first shipped. however, it will only go down to 5.4ghz due to hardware (filter/antenna) limitations, so 5.2ghz won't be happening on the current hardware. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Chris Soiles [csoi...@riocities.netmailto:csoi...@riocities.net] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:17 PM To: Ubiquiti Group Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 If and When they get DFS approved, will the new channels just work? Haven't bought any yet, but this could sway me to buy now vs wait Chris Soiles Owner Rio Cities csoi...@riocities.netmailto:csoi...@riocities.net 505-966-6389tel:505-966-6389 ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? *Steven Barnes* GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? *Steven Barnes* GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? *Steven Barnes* GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
Ptp doesn't need the power unless you're doing super far shots. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? *Steven Barnes* GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
Of course. DFS is worthless for PtP on over about 4-6 miles. Most of our shots are 6-14 miles. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ptp doesn't need the power unless you're doing super far shots. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? *Steven Barnes* GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
Bigger dishes, though even the biggest dishes top out at 15 - 20 miles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:30:56 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Of course. DFS is worthless for PtP on over about 4-6 miles. Most of our shots are 6-14 miles. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ptp doesn't need the power unless you're doing super far shots. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: blockquote I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: blockquote Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: blockquote Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
in DFS? 30dBm is 30dBm. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: Bigger dishes, though even the biggest dishes top out at 15 - 20 miles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:30:56 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Of course. DFS is worthless for PtP on over about 4-6 miles. Most of our shots are 6-14 miles. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ptp doesn't need the power unless you're doing super far shots. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? *Steven Barnes* GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
Travis did 40 mile shots between mountains. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: Bigger dishes, though even the biggest dishes top out at 15 - 20 miles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:30:56 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Of course. DFS is worthless for PtP on over about 4-6 miles. Most of our shots are 6-14 miles. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ptp doesn't need the power unless you're doing super far shots. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? *Steven Barnes* GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
140* Not in DFS, though, I assume. Not sure DFS was available when he put those out. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:38:29 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Travis did 40 mile shots between mountains. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: Bigger dishes, though even the biggest dishes top out at 15 - 20 miles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:30:56 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Of course. DFS is worthless for PtP on over about 4-6 miles. Most of our shots are 6-14 miles. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Ptp doesn't need the power unless you're doing super far shots. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: blockquote I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: blockquote Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: blockquote Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
In Idaho? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:41 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: 140* Not in DFS, though, I assume. Not sure DFS was available when he put those out. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:38:29 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Travis did 40 mile shots between mountains. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: Bigger dishes, though even the biggest dishes top out at 15 - 20 miles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:30:56 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Of course. DFS is worthless for PtP on over about 4-6 miles. Most of our shots are 6-14 miles. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ptp doesn't need the power unless you're doing super far shots. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? *Steven Barnes* GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
I think 3' dishes will get you around 10 miles full modulation. But yeah, even the biggest Andrews ones I could find at around 12 - 15' area (I forget) still would only go 20 miles (maybe not even) at 30 dB EIRP. That's all IIRC, though, I'm sure the point made it across. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:47:05 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 OK.. I'm not really sure 4', 6' 8'+ dishes are in many peoples budget. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: Receive gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:36:23 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 in DFS? 30dBm is 30dBm. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Bigger dishes, though even the biggest dishes top out at 15 - 20 miles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:30:56 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Of course. DFS is worthless for PtP on over about 4-6 miles. Most of our shots are 6-14 miles. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Ptp doesn't need the power unless you're doing super far shots. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: blockquote I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: blockquote Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: blockquote Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
Here is an 8' dish http://www.radiowaves.com/en/product/hp8-5-2 Bet it costs more $3-4k? and at 40dB gain, you'd have to run -10 tx on the radio.. or use two antennas. one for TX and one for RX. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: I think you would need kind of large dishes to do that in DFS about 20 footers might do :p -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:41 AM *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 140* Not in DFS, though, I assume. Not sure DFS was available when he put those out. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:38:29 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Travis did 40 mile shots between mountains. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: Bigger dishes, though even the biggest dishes top out at 15 - 20 miles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:30:56 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Of course. DFS is worthless for PtP on over about 4-6 miles. Most of our shots are 6-14 miles. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ptp doesn't need the power unless you're doing super far shots. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? *Steven Barnes* GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
Wow! I remember 40 but not 140!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:48 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: Yes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:47:06 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 In Idaho? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:41 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: 140* Not in DFS, though, I assume. Not sure DFS was available when he put those out. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:38:29 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Travis did 40 mile shots between mountains. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: Bigger dishes, though even the biggest dishes top out at 15 - 20 miles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:30:56 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Of course. DFS is worthless for PtP on over about 4-6 miles. Most of our shots are 6-14 miles. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ptp doesn't need the power unless you're doing super far shots. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? *Steven Barnes* GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
Yes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:47:06 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 In Idaho? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:41 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: 140* Not in DFS, though, I assume. Not sure DFS was available when he put those out. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:38:29 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Travis did 40 mile shots between mountains. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Bigger dishes, though even the biggest dishes top out at 15 - 20 miles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:30:56 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Of course. DFS is worthless for PtP on over about 4-6 miles. Most of our shots are 6-14 miles. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Ptp doesn't need the power unless you're doing super far shots. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: blockquote I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: blockquote Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: blockquote Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
OK.. I'm not really sure 4', 6' 8'+ dishes are in many peoples budget. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: Receive gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:36:23 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 in DFS? 30dBm is 30dBm. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: Bigger dishes, though even the biggest dishes top out at 15 - 20 miles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:30:56 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Of course. DFS is worthless for PtP on over about 4-6 miles. Most of our shots are 6-14 miles. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ptp doesn't need the power unless you're doing super far shots. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? *Steven Barnes* GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5
Yeah, I believe it was a pair of Trango radios doing like 5 meg or something like that. People do 40 mile links all of the time. Well, not all of the time, but it's common enough... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:53:33 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Wow! I remember 40 but not 140!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:48 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: Yes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:47:06 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 In Idaho? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:41 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote 140* Not in DFS, though, I assume. Not sure DFS was available when he put those out. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:38:29 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Travis did 40 mile shots between mountains. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Bigger dishes, though even the biggest dishes top out at 15 - 20 miles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:30:56 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Of course. DFS is worthless for PtP on over about 4-6 miles. Most of our shots are 6-14 miles. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Ptp doesn't need the power unless you're doing super far shots. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 9, 2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: blockquote I keep seeing people say this. but it doesn't make sense to me. it's on +6dB more Tx power than DFS when using PTMP. PtP is 56dBm? makes more sense to me to put PtP's there. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: blockquote Thank god there not getting it. I'd like to keep that free for my ptmp products. On Dec 9, 2014 6:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote So would bigger dishes or connectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:52:19 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 Nope. And really sucks also. It would be a great place for them. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: blockquote Are the AF5 going to get the 5.1 GHz add-on? Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users /blockquote -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
We’ve had good results with Exalt ExtendAir G2, too: 11GHz, 18GHz, 23GHz. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adair Winter Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 4:35 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance We use Exalt ExtendAir G2 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:31 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I'd like to do a budget and need to know what others are using besides just the manufacturer such as the model numbers, antenna size, etc... On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net mailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: You're just supposed to get someone else to do the math for you... really, just pick a brand and tell them what you want to do, and they'll tell you what you need... I like SAF too. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Seth Mattinen [se...@rollernet.us mailto:se...@rollernet.us ] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 2:44 PM To: ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance On 12/1/14, 12:34, Josh Luthman wrote: Waste of time in the licensed world. They all perform as they advertise. Modulation * channel size = megabits per second. Price varies, GUI varies, support varies. Go SAF! It was my understanding that there would be no math. ~Seth ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- -RickG KyWiFi ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
As long as it has good line of site and 5.8ghz is clean enough, it should work fine. According to the built in link calculator, it should be able to do 149.76Mbps using 20mhz channels at 13 miles... if you need more than that, you can use wider channels, but that's going to be using pretty much the whole 5.8ghz band. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:35 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
We have one at 12.5 miles and it reports Rx Capacity at 213 Mbps, but I don't know what that translate to reality. That is a 50 MHz channel width at 5800 MHz with signal levels around -65 and a noise level of about -92. We are having difficulty maintaining that 213, it wants to switch back and fourth to 110. Ran some AirView's yesterday to see what the spectrum looks like and it is not good. The only clear area's are DFS off limits and all of the rest of the spectrum from 5400 to 5900 has at least a 20 MHz channel width AP on it already. Phil On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com wrote: Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
Any chance you can find two smaller channels and use it in full duplex? the nice thing about running the AF5 in full duplex is that the channels only need to be clean at the receive end... and if you don't need as much capacity one direction, you can use a smaller channel. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Phil Curnutt [pcurn...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:18 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance We have one at 12.5 miles and it reports Rx Capacity at 213 Mbps, but I don't know what that translate to reality. That is a 50 MHz channel width at 5800 MHz with signal levels around -65 and a noise level of about -92. We are having difficulty maintaining that 213, it wants to switch back and fourth to 110. Ran some AirView's yesterday to see what the spectrum looks like and it is not good. The only clear area's are DFS off limits and all of the rest of the spectrum from 5400 to 5900 has at least a 20 MHz channel width AP on it already. Phil On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.commailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com wrote: Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
That is what I’m thinking Mike, I’ve already shot an E-mail off to Pete @ SAF to start looking at some licensed gear. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:12 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance You're not going to find much that'll do better than 100/100 at that distance without going licensed. Maybe the PTP600\650? Anything AC based with appropriately sized dishes will and will likely also work in 5150. However, a 100/100 customer should be generating $1,500-$2,500/month, so maybe a licensed link is in the budget? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Robert Haas mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:06:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Thanks, sounds like I need to look towards a different solution. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:59 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance As long as it has good line of site and 5.8ghz is clean enough, it should work fine. According to the built in link calculator, it should be able to do 149.76Mbps using 20mhz channels at 13 miles... if you need more than that, you can use wider channels, but that's going to be using pretty much the whole 5.8ghz band. _ From: mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:35 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Robert Haas mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: ubnt users mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
There's a plethora of WISPA vendor members that make (or sell) licensed links. Few people have anything bad to say about any of them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:56:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance That is what I’m thinking Mike, I’ve already shot an E-mail off to Pete @ SAF to start looking at some licensed gear. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:12 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance You're not going to find much that'll do better than 100/100 at that distance without going licensed. Maybe the PTP600\650? Anything AC based with appropriately sized dishes will and will likely also work in 5150. However, a 100/100 customer should be generating $1,500-$2,500/month, so maybe a licensed link is in the budget? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:06:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Thanks, sounds like I need to look towards a different solution. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:59 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance As long as it has good line of site and 5.8ghz is clean enough, it should work fine. According to the built in link calculator, it should be able to do 149.76Mbps using 20mhz channels at 13 miles... if you need more than that, you can use wider channels, but that's going to be using pretty much the whole 5.8ghz band. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:35 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
That's good to know. What about unlicensed since we know those vary greatly! On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Waste of time in the licensed world. They all perform as they advertise. Modulation * channel size = megabits per second. Price varies, GUI varies, support varies. Go SAF! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:20 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: And on that note, has anyone done a backhaul bakeoff lately? I'd like to know what kind of performance (and cost) is available out there these days! On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: There's a plethora of WISPA vendor members that make (or sell) licensed links. Few people have anything bad to say about any of them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 1:56:59 PM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance That is what I'm thinking Mike, I've already shot an E-mail off to Pete @ SAF to start looking at some licensed gear. *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 1:12 PM *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance You're not going to find much that'll do better than 100/100 at that distance without going licensed. Maybe the PTP600\650? Anything AC based with appropriately sized dishes will and will likely also work in 5150. However, a 100/100 customer should be generating $1,500-$2,500/month, so maybe a licensed link is in the budget? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png] https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png] https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png] https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png] https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 1:06:34 PM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Thanks, sounds like I need to look towards a different solution. *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 11:59 AM *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance As long as it has good line of site and 5.8ghz is clean enough, it should work fine. According to the built in link calculator, it should be able to do 149.76Mbps using 20mhz channels at 13 miles... if you need more than that, you can use wider channels, but that's going to be using pretty much the whole 5.8ghz band. -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 11:35 AM *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png] https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png] https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png] https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png] https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com *To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM *Subject: *[Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
On 12/1/14, 12:34, Josh Luthman wrote: Waste of time in the licensed world. They all perform as they advertise. Modulation * channel size = megabits per second. Price varies, GUI varies, support varies. Go SAF! It was my understanding that there would be no math. ~Seth ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
We already use SAF Lumina’s which I’ve had good luck with. A plus would be if we can use the same band radio to minimize on the shelf spares. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 2:02 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance There's a plethora of WISPA vendor members that make (or sell) licensed links. Few people have anything bad to say about any of them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Robert Haas mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:56:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance That is what I’m thinking Mike, I’ve already shot an E-mail off to Pete @ SAF to start looking at some licensed gear. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:12 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance You're not going to find much that'll do better than 100/100 at that distance without going licensed. Maybe the PTP600\650? Anything AC based with appropriately sized dishes will and will likely also work in 5150. However, a 100/100 customer should be generating $1,500-$2,500/month, so maybe a licensed link is in the budget? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Robert Haas mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:06:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Thanks, sounds like I need to look towards a different solution. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:59 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance As long as it has good line of site and 5.8ghz is clean enough, it should work fine. According to the built in link calculator, it should be able to do 149.76Mbps using 20mhz channels at 13 miles... if you need more than that, you can use wider channels, but that's going to be using pretty much the whole 5.8ghz band. _ From: mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:35 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Robert Haas mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: ubnt users mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
If you're using SAF, then keep using them unless you have a reason to change for the exact reasons you specify. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:13:32 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance We already use SAF Lumina’s which I’ve had good luck with. A plus would be if we can use the same band radio to minimize on the shelf spares. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 2:02 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance There's a plethora of WISPA vendor members that make (or sell) licensed links. Few people have anything bad to say about any of them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:56:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance That is what I’m thinking Mike, I’ve already shot an E-mail off to Pete @ SAF to start looking at some licensed gear. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:12 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance You're not going to find much that'll do better than 100/100 at that distance without going licensed. Maybe the PTP600\650? Anything AC based with appropriately sized dishes will and will likely also work in 5150. However, a 100/100 customer should be generating $1,500-$2,500/month, so maybe a licensed link is in the budget? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:06:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Thanks, sounds like I need to look towards a different solution. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:59 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance As long as it has good line of site and 5.8ghz is clean enough, it should work fine. According to the built in link calculator, it should be able to do 149.76Mbps using 20mhz channels at 13 miles... if you need more than that, you can use wider channels, but that's going to be using pretty much the whole 5.8ghz band. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:35 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
