[Bug 1736664] Re: gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in _g_log_abort() from g_log_default_handler() from default_log_handler() from g_logv() from g_log() from gjs_callback_closure() from ffi_closure_uni

2020-01-16 Thread sparr
I have created a more specific bug report, for a crash triggered from
the file browser in the Discord app, here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1736664

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Title:
  gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in _g_log_abort() from
  g_log_default_handler() from default_log_handler() from g_logv() from
  g_log() from gjs_callback_closure() from ffi_closure_unix64_inner()
  [any error message logged from JavaScript will look like this]

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[Bug 1860052] [NEW] gnome-shell crash when typing into file browser dialog in Discord app

2020-01-16 Thread sparr
Public bug reported:

This is a specific instance of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source
/gnome-shell/+bug/1736664

I cannot see the journal that will be attached to the bug in advance, so
I can't copy the error message to the summary.

While using the Discord app I clicked the (+) button in order to select
a file to upload into a chat, which led to the normal file browser
dialog. I then typed either "/hom" or "~/.l" or ".loc" and before the
interface could update to show that I had typed anything it froze, then
a few seconds later almost all programs had closed and gnome-shell was
restarting after having crashed.

I am running Ubuntu 19.10, gnome-shell
3.34.1+git20191024-1ubuntu1~19.10.1

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 19.10
Package: gnome-shell 3.34.1+git20191024-1ubuntu1~19.10.1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.15.0-1065.75-oem 4.15.18
Uname: Linux 4.15.0-1065-oem x86_64
NonfreeKernelModules: lkp_Ubuntu_4_15_0_1065_75_oem_61
ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu8.2
Architecture: amd64
CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
Date: Thu Jan 16 15:18:26 2020
DisplayManager: gdm3
DistributionChannelDescriptor:
 # This is the distribution channel descriptor for the OEM CDs
 # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor
 canonical-oem-somerville-bionic-amd64-20180608-47+beaver-three-eyed-raven+X92
InstallationDate: Installed on 2019-12-28 (19 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 18.04 "Bionic" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 
20180608-09:38
ProcEnviron:
 TERM=xterm-256color
 PATH=(custom, no user)
 XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
RelatedPackageVersions: mutter-common 3.34.1+git20191107-1ubuntu1~19.10.1
SourcePackage: gnome-shell
UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to eoan on 2019-12-30 (17 days ago)

** Affects: gnome-shell (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: amd64 apport-bug eoan third-party-packages

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[Bug 1736664] Re: gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in _g_log_abort() from g_log_default_handler() from default_log_handler() from g_logv() from g_log() from gjs_callback_closure() from ffi_closure_uni

2020-01-16 Thread sparr
https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/89b39b4a-38b3-11ea-b8ae-fa163e102db1
https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/9d568826-30e1-11ea-a775-fa163ee63de6

these two crashes seem to be this bug. this is a recurring (but not
easily reproducible) problem for me, most often triggered by typing into
the File > Open dialog in various applications (typing in order to
navigate to a file path, often starting with / or .)

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Title:
  gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in _g_log_abort() from
  g_log_default_handler() from default_log_handler() from g_logv() from
  g_log() from gjs_callback_closure() from ffi_closure_unix64_inner()
  [any error message logged from JavaScript will look like this]

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[Bug 1832086] [NEW] bug report

2019-06-08 Thread Peter Sparr
Public bug reported:

Cant send bug report from Ubuntu Studio 19.10

** Affects: xfce4-panel (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 1274613] Re: module-bluetooth-discover does not load on login

2015-07-18 Thread sparr
This problem seems to persist in Xubuntu 15.04. The PPA mentioned in
comment #20 does not have packages for vivid, only trusty.

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[Bug 1189653] [NEW] User Accounts password change form incorrectly says Wrong password when password chage restrictions in effect

2013-06-10 Thread sparr
Public bug reported:

If a user has password expiry restrictions in place that prevent
password changes (such as a minimum password age set with chage) and
they try to change their password through the User Accounts tool, they
will see a red warning icon to the right of the Current password
field, and the hover text for that icon is Wrong password. This text
is misleading in this circumstance.

** Affects: ubuntu
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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  when password chage restrictions in effect

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[Bug 1189653] Re: User Accounts password change form incorrectly says Wrong password when password chage restrictions in effect

2013-06-10 Thread sparr
`xprop WM_CLASS` says the user account and password change windows both
have the class gnome-control-center

** Package changed: ubuntu = gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)

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[Bug 224477] Re: /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d calls /sbin/runlevel without DEPENDSing upstart

2012-11-30 Thread sparr
Thank you Mark. This should, perhaps, be moved to a bug on one of the
sysv packages. My original assignment to the upstart package was likely
mistaken.

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[Bug 583056] Re: Assertion error (r == n_visible_rows) in gtk_file_system_model_sort causes applications to crash

2011-12-15 Thread sparr
I am still seeing this bug in multiple applications while using GTK+
2.24

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  causes applications to crash

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[Bug 588441] Re: Prompted for root password for Administration features as non-sudoer

2010-09-08 Thread sparr
1. the specific steps or actions you took that caused you to encounter the 
problem,
- Log in as a user who is not an Admin or a sudoer
- From the menu bar click System  Adminstration  Printing  Add

2. the behavior you expected
- prompt for root password or sudoer credentials with better explanation

3. the behavior you actually encountered (in as much detail as possible).
- prompt for root password

All of this information was in my original bug report. Making me retype
it is silly.

** Changed in: ubuntu
   Status: Invalid = New

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[Bug 61463]

2010-06-15 Thread sparr
http://z1owlxoyjtw.ezacutjupl.com

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[Bug 588441] [NEW] Prompted for root password for Administration features as non-sudoer

2010-06-01 Thread sparr
Public bug reported:

While logged in as a user who is neither an Admin nor a sudoer,
attempting to do System  Administration  Printing  Add (or any of a
hundred other administration tasks) results in a prompt for the root
password.  I have no root password, nor do I use the root user.  This
prompt is very confusing.  I do have the username and password for the
user who installed the system, and can enter both of those pieces of
information at the prompt to proceed, but the prompt does not make it
evident that this is a viable option.  At best this is a verbiage issue.

** Affects: ubuntu
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 455073] Re: A mouse pointer keeps reappearing during video playback in smplayer

2009-10-26 Thread sparr
The fault here lies with mplayer, specifically 22disable-
xscreensaver.patch

https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/karmic/mplayer/karmic

revision 54 the patch was turned off
revision 56 it was turned back on


** Package changed: smplayer (Ubuntu) = mplayer (Ubuntu)

** Changed in: mplayer (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 423446] Re: Shell autocomplete will not proceed past path with escaped characters

2009-10-05 Thread sparr
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 419509 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/419509

This problem persists after uninstalling bash-completion.  I may have
failed to test that situation adequately, but so far I believe this to
be a bash bug, not a bash-completion bug.

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[Bug 423446] [NEW] Shell autocomplete will not proceed past path with escaped characters

2009-09-02 Thread sparr
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: bash

When using bash to autocomplete a path that contains escaped characters
(such as a space), it will not complete anything once the path contains
the escaped character.

mkdir foo\ bar[ENTER]
mkdir foo\ bar/baz[ENTER]
cd foo[TAB]

result: cd foo\ bar/

[TAB]

expected: cd foo\ bar/baz/
actual: cd foo\ bar/

This problem did not occur in 9.04, but does in Karmic (development
branch) as of two weeks ago through today.

** Affects: bash (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 413950] Re: Incorrect cursor positioning in Firefox.

2009-08-21 Thread sparr
I am seeing a possibly related issue with dragging tabs, occasionally
what I intend to be a horizontal drag (or even a click) will be
interpreted as enough of a vertical drag to tear the tab off into a new
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[Bug 348818] [NEW] forcedeth random MAC for nvidia chipset on boot

2009-03-25 Thread sparr
Public bug reported:

My onboard nVidia NIC is assigned a random MAC address every time I
boot.  The detected MAC is invalid because it is being read backwards.
This may be related to Bug #175333 (and many other similar
suspend/resume bug reports with the same symptom), but is not a
duplicate because that bug is supposed fixed in recent kernels and only
applies to suspend/resume behavior.  I am currently running Jaunty.  The
problem has been apparent since around Gutsy.

Relevant excerpts from dmesg

[0.00] Linux version 2.6.28-9-generic (bui...@palmer) (gcc version 
4.3.3 (Ubuntu 4.3.3-5ubuntu2) ) #31-Ubuntu SMP Wed Mar 11 15:43:58 UTC 2009 
(Ubuntu 2.6.28-9.31-generic)
[3.644504] forcedeth: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 
0.61.
[3.644844] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APCH] enabled at IRQ 20
[3.644852] forcedeth :00:07.0: PCI INT A - Link[APCH] - GSI 20 
(level, low) - IRQ 20
[3.644856] forcedeth :00:07.0: setting latency timer to 64
[3.644899] forcedeth :00:07.0: Invalid Mac address detected: 
2f:d3:61:ea:0f:00
[3.644985] forcedeth :00:07.0: Please complain to your hardware vendor. 
Switching to a random MAC.
[4.165131] forcedeth :00:07.0: ifname eth0, PHY OUI 0x732 @ 1, addr 
00:00:6c:35:bc:d0
[4.165136] forcedeth :00:07.0: highdma pwrctl mgmt timirq gbit lnktim 
msi desc-v3
[   63.674057] forcedeth :00:07.0: irq 2300 for MSI/MSI-X
[   63.674286] eth0: no link during initialization.
[   63.674968] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready

and from lspci -

00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)
Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device e000
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- 
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+
Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast TAbort- TAbort- 
MAbort- SERR- PERR- INTx-
Latency: 0 (250ns min, 5000ns max)
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 2300
Region 0: Memory at f7004000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Region 1: I/O ports at c800 [size=8]
Capabilities: access denied
Kernel driver in use: forcedeth
Kernel modules: forcedeth

** Affects: ubuntu
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 339100] Re: jaunty upgrade fails when libboost-python-dev is installed

2009-03-13 Thread sparr
More detailed output, also including another python upgrade problem.  I
had to remove libboost-dbg and libboost-python-dev and pitivi, then
python upgraded successfully.  Should this one bug encompass all 3
problems, or should separate bugs be opened?

Setting up python (2.6.1-0ubuntu3) ...
running python rtupdate hooks for python2.6...
/usr/share/python/runtime.d/libboost-dbg.rtupdate unknown python version 
python2.6
error running python rtupdate hook libboost-dbg
/usr/share/python/runtime.d/libboost-python-dev.rtupdate unknown python version 
python2.6
error running python rtupdate hook libboost-python-dev
Compiling /usr/lib/pitivi/python/pitivi/objectfactory.py ...
SyntaxError: ('invalid syntax', 
('/usr/lib/pitivi/python/pitivi/objectfactory.py', 399, 14, 'as = 
self.audio_info_stream\n'))
 
pycentral: pycentral updatedefault: error byte-compiling files (55)
pycentral updatedefault: error byte-compiling files (55)
error running python rtupdate hook pycentral
Updating *.pc symlinks for python-gst0.10...
Updating *.pc symlinks for python-gtk2-dev...
dpkg: error processing python (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 4
Errors were encountered while processing:
 python

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[Bug 82108] Re: forcedeth changes MAC address after suspend/resume

2009-03-02 Thread sparr
I encounter this same problem, but every boot instead of on resume.
Problem originated in gutsy (I think), persists through hardy and
intrepid.  It also caused the eth0,eth1,...,eth99 bug, but a fix for the
network device name rules found elsewhere resolved that.  If that is a
sufficiently different issue then I will file a new bug.

lspci, trimmed
00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)
Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device e000
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- 
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+
Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast TAbort- TAbort- 
MAbort- SERR- PERR- INTx-
Latency: 0 (250ns min, 5000ns max)
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 220
Region 0: Memory at f7004000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Region 1: I/O ports at c800 [size=8]
Capabilities: access denied
Kernel driver in use: forcedeth
Kernel modules: forcedeth


dmesg, trimmed
[3.160371] forcedeth: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 
0.61.
[3.160763] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APCH] enabled at IRQ 21
[3.160771] forcedeth :00:07.0: PCI INT A - Link[APCH] - GSI 21 
(level, low) - IRQ 21
[3.160776] forcedeth :00:07.0: setting latency timer to 64
[3.160807] forcedeth :00:07.0: Invalid Mac address detected: 
2f:d3:61:ea:0f:00
[3.160863] forcedeth :00:07.0: Please complain to your hardware vendor. 
Switching to a random MAC.
[3.681020] forcedeth :00:07.0: ifname eth0, PHY OUI 0x732 @ 1, addr 
00:00:6c:73:c9:cb
[3.681025] forcedeth :00:07.0: highdma pwrctl mgmt timirq gbit lnktim 
msi desc-v3

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[Bug 297373] Re: depends on nonexistent binutils-avr (= 2.18-4)

2008-12-21 Thread sparr
This seems to be fixed, with the dependency changed to = 2.16.1-1

** Changed in: gcc-avr (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Fix Committed

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[Bug 297373] [NEW] depends on nonexistent binutils-avr (= 2.18-4)

2008-11-12 Thread sparr
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: gcc-avr

I am using Intrepid.  As far as I can see, binutils-avr 2.18-3 is the
latest version available.  I am unable to apt-get build-dep gcc-avr
because of this.

** Affects: gcc-avr (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 225297] [NEW] update-menus fvwm-crystal calls sh with bash parameter -r

2008-05-01 Thread sparr
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: fvwm-crystal

/etc/menu-methods/fvwm-crystal (package fvwm-crystal) contains a call on
line 20 to sh -r ..., although -r is not a valid POSIX sh parameter.
Specifically, it is a valid bash parameter but not a valid dash
parameter.  This causes many errors during `update-menus`.  A quick fix
is to call bash directly, but that adds an unwanted dependency.  A
solution should use sh without -r, or some other alternative.

Upstream (debian) bug report and possible solutions:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375205

** Affects: fvwm-crystal (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 224477] [NEW] upstart /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d calls /sbin/runlevel without DEPENDSing sysvinit or upstart-compat-sysv

2008-04-29 Thread sparr
Public bug reported:

upstart's /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d script makes a call to /sbin/runlevel
(on line 274).  if neither sysvinit nor upstart-compat-sysv are
installed then /sbin/runlevel won't exist, and it complains.  one of
those packages, or one of their PROVIDES, should be a DEPENDS of
upstart.

** Affects: ubuntu
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 134725] xrandr rotates screen, does not change resolution

2007-08-25 Thread sparr
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: xserver-xorg-video-i810

After upgrading to gutsy (on 2007 08 22) xrandr now rotates the screen
but does not change the apparent resolution.  When it should change from
1024x768 to 768x1024 (a not-native resolution) it does not, leaving me
with a 1024x768 desktop on a 768x1024 display.  This makes the right 1/4
of the desktop cut off, and the bottom 1/4 of the display blank.

This could be related to bug #116514 or bug #111859

** Affects: xserver-xorg-video-i810 (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 134729] kde panel buttons jump when moved

2007-08-25 Thread sparr
Public bug reported:

Using gutsy, when I have a non-kde-application on my panel (as a button)
and I drag it around, the outline box showing where it will land jumps
around and is sometimes not visible.  When I drop the button that I am
dragging often it will drop in the wrong place, or other buttons will
move incorrectly.

** Affects: ubuntu
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 105962] Re: Feisty: KDE System Settings crashed when trying to open it (Backtrace attached)

2007-08-23 Thread sparr
I have the same problem, system settings crashes when i try to load it.
This started after edgy-feisty dist-upgrade, and possibly some other
package installations.  This same issue may also be causing kcontrol to
display only a few rare options (empty Network folder and
Perhiperals-OBEX Devices).  backtrace below:

(no debugging symbols found)
Using host libthread_db library /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1.
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
[New Thread -1232766768 (LWP 9618)]
0xe410 in ?? ()
#0  0xe410 in ?? ()
#1  0xbfd7fa48 in ?? ()
#2  0xb7b31ff4 in ?? () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
#3  0xbfd7fa34 in ?? ()
#4  0xb7a7ee90 in nanosleep () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
#5  0xb7a7ecc7 in sleep () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
#6  0xb7878ad9 in KCrash::startDrKonqi (argv=0xbfd81c4c, argc=17)
at /build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.7/./kdecore/kcrash.cpp:312
#7  0xb788f4de in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler (sig=11)
at /build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.7/./kdecore/kcrash.cpp:229
#8  0xe420 in ?? ()
#9  0x000b in ?? ()
#10 0x0033 in ?? ()
#11 0xc010 in ?? ()
#12 0x007b in ?? ()
#13 0x007b in ?? ()
#14 0x080ab800 in ?? ()
#15 0x08108d50 in ?? ()
#16 0xbfd81ff8 in ?? ()
#17 0xbfd81fd0 in ?? ()
#18 0x in ?? ()

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Re: [Bug 61463] Re: Script that are using bash could be broken with the new symlink

2007-04-10 Thread sparr
Once again I feel the need to point out that this change is no worse
than upgrading from XFree to X.org, or from GCC2/3 to GCC3/4.  Those
changes also broke* many existing programs, build processes, and
scripts, but we made them for the greater good.

* broke in this context meaning exposed existing previously-hidden
brokenness in.  The changes did not actually break anything (with few
exceptions like posix echo), they simply brought to light problems
that have always existed in those packages.

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Re: [Bug 61463] Re: Script that are using bash could be broken with the new symlink

2007-02-17 Thread sparr
I believe that FAR less dashisms will creep in than bashisms have over
time.  Just like switching web browsers...  A developer who switches
from IE to Firefox has to give up all his IE-isms.  He might pick up a
couple of Firefox-isms, but I am almost certain that there will be
less of them and they will be less problematic.

The solution to dashisms is to report them as bugs.  Just like you did
for bashisms in the past (you did, right?).

dash *IS* Unix-2003-compliant (on this issue at least).  If you read a
couple lines farther down, -n is not an option, it is an operand:
A string to be written to standard output. If the first operand is
-n, or if any of the operands contain a backslash ( '\' ) character,
the results are implementation-defined.

If every person who has posted to this bug report so far instead took
the time to submit a patch to one bashism-laden project, this would be
a non-problem.

On 2/17/07, Martin Buchholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 dash cannot claim to be taking the moral high ground here,
 since dash's builtin echo is also not Unix-2003-compliant.

 According to
 http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/echo.html
 Implementations shall not support any options.
 but dash's echo supports the (historic BSD) -n option.

 If Ubuntu persists in its present course of using dash as /bin/sh,
 there will be no way to have future reliable Ubuntu LTS
 versions, since dashisms will creep in.  Users will
 merely have the choice of different sets of bugs, depending on
 whether they choose /bin/sh to point to /bin/bash or /bin/dash.

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Re: [Bug 61463] Re: Script that are using bash could be broken with the new symlink

2007-02-17 Thread sparr
I could maybe see patching dash to die with an error This script
contains invalid syntax, try running it with /bin/bash instead of
/bin/sh when it encounters one of various known bashisms like echo
-e.

On 2/17/07, nemti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No matter how many script devs you complain to, there is _always_ going
 to be a script that contains bashisms. If /bin/sh _absolutely_ has to
 point to dash, instead of refusing to run scripts with bashisms, why not
 do something constructive like scanning the script for bashisms, and
 then running it in bash? Or perhaps even patching dash to do something
 useful with bashisms when it comes across them, like issuing a warning,
 instead of just dying for reasons unknown to the user?

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Re: [Bug 61463] Re: Script that are using bash could be broken with the new symlink

2007-02-16 Thread sparr
On 2/16/07, Martin Buchholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I will probably continue to use Ubuntu on my home machine,
 since I am a bit of a reckless hobbyist there myself,
 but will recommend NOT using Ubuntu at work, and
 will look around for a distribution that values reliability
 more for my next at-home experimental install.

Something like, say, Ubuntu LTS?

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Re: [Bug 61463] Re: Script that are using bash could be broken with the new symlink

2007-02-05 Thread sparr
Because there shouldn't be one.  There was no warning when the default
X switched from XFree to X.org, because non-broken programs don't know
the difference.  There is no warning when upgrading gcc from 2.x to
3.x to 4.x, despite it being well known that that breaks MANY build
processes.

On 2/4/07, Ulrich Lukas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just lost half a day figuring out why several configure scripts who
 ran perfectly under Dapper are broken in Edgy.

 Why isn't there at least a warning or note indicating the changed
 defaults?

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Re: [Bug 61463] Re: Script that are using bash could be broken with the new symlink

2007-01-24 Thread sparr
On 1/24/07, Mark Constable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a choice, do
 I edit all these scripts (1000s!!!), do I self maintain a hacked /bin/sh
 link to /bin/bash, or, do I assign my future to another distro that I
 can trust not to put me in this position again?

Or do you take the simple solution and just sudo dpkg-reconfigure
dash and answer the single question No.  Viola, you're back to bash
as /bin/sh, and dont have to self maintain a hacked anything.

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Re: [Bug 61463] Re: Script that are using bash could be broken with the new symlink

2007-01-23 Thread sparr
I cannot disagree more.  The Ubuntu devs have done a far greater good
here than with any other distro I have used in the past.  Being
willing to take steps like this, instead of waiting for optional
compliance that will never happen, is exactly what we need more of.

On 1/23/07, Mark Constable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What worries me about this issue is the attitude of the ubuntu
 developers. I no longer trust the ubuntu devs to do the right thing to
 help me keep the systems I make a living from up and running and am now
 looking at migrating everything to etch+ instead of edgy+. The
 overwhelming right thing to do would have been to advertise the need to
 change from bash to dash and put a deadline on it no less than 1/2 a
 year on notice, THEN make the change. Suddenly unleashing KNOWN breakage
 like this is unacceptable to me. Such a pity I have to forgo such a good
 distro in all other respects because of this stupid move by a few devs.
 Like I say, I no longer trust ubuntu devs not to do something like this
 again in the future. And yes, breaking trust is a serious bug.

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[Bug 61463] Re: Script that are using bash could be broken with the new symlink

2007-01-07 Thread sparr
The overwhelming majority of Ubuntu users would almost never notice
application installs running faster?  I am serious.  There are packages
that take over a minute for post-install dpkg configuration, and dash
speeds them up a LOT.  It's the difference in spending 10 minutes or 30
minutes on dist-upgrade (or I guess adept probably just does upgrade).

Bash being optionally POSIX compliant, with or without exceptions,
really has no bearing here.  Bashisms are bad.  They need to be fixed.
I understand the idea of keeping Ubuntu easy for everyone to use, but
you also need to understand that sometimes you have to do things the
hard way to make the world a better place.  Ubuntu is the first major
distro to move to dash.  I think we have begun down a slippery slope
towards eradication of bashisms.  They never would have gone away if it
was just 'the right thing to do', but now if you write broken scripts
you give up support for a major distro.  I don't think any new bashisms
will be entering the world as soon as a year from now, and I expect we
can resolve any existing problems by then as well.  Bite the bullet.

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[Bug 61463] Re: Script that are using bash could be broken with the new symlink

2007-01-03 Thread sparr
$10 says neither of you reported the problem to those at fault, GPH and
VMWare, instead of just discussing it in forums.  If people put half as
much time into getting the problem fixed as they do whining about it,
the vast majority of packages would already be fixed.

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Re: [Bug 61463] Re: Script that are using bash could be broken with the new symlink

2007-01-03 Thread sparr
Nothing in an Ubuntu package is unsupported.  If the upstream has
abandoned it then the maintenance falls on the package maintainer.  If
the package maintainer is lax then replace him yourself.

On 1/3/07, LionsPhil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Because getting large groups of people to fix software/data, much of
 which is [now] unsupported, is /so/ much more practical than leaving
 alone something which Just Works.

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[Bug 61463] Re: Script that are using bash could be broken with the new symlink

2006-12-13 Thread sparr
The fact is in the majority of cases [dash] fails miserably

This is what polite people call a falsehood, and what I call a lie.

By my gross overestimate, dash fails while compiling less than 5% of
available packages, and while installing less than 1%.  The failure rate
for third party software, such as cedega and commercial installers, is
around 5%.  This is not a majority by quite a bit.

While I somewhat sympathize with the make it work, even if it's wrong
sentiment, I would be willing to bet that less than half of the people
who have posted here have bothered to report the real bugs to their
package maintainers and/or upstream.  Start making efforts in the right
direction.

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Re: [Bug 61463] Re: Script that are using bash could be broken with the new symlink

2006-10-30 Thread sparr
The 'bug' is not with dash, it is with every package that dash breaks.
They should all be fixed.  *maybe* dash should not be the default until they
are fixed, but I think they would never get fixed if it wasn't.

On 10/30/06, Stephen Thorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Suggested resolution:

 Use /bin/dash instead of /bin/sh for scripts that are desired to run
 fast, and revert the change.

 If you like ./configure running faster, then patch the code so that
 ./configure has #!/bin/dash.

 This change has obviously caused regressions, and should be considered a
 high priority bug that should be fixed, not justified.


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[Bug 61463] Wrong target.

2006-10-28 Thread sparr
Complain to the script authors who are making the mistake.  Dash has
been a viable provider of /bin/sh (by way of debconf on the dash
package) for a long time.  There are other shells that provide 'sh'
functionality too.  If a script really requires /bin/bash then it needs
to start with #!/bin/bash.

Analogy:  If I needed a square, I would not ask you for a rectangle.
Although you might give me the square that I need, since that would
fulfill my stated rectangle requirements, it is not guaranteed.

People who need /bin/bash should not ask for /bin/sh and hope that the
result they get just happens to be /bin/bash.  I have used dash as my
/bin/sh for over a year now.  It is insanely faster, especially for huge
shell scripts such as 'configure' in large projects.

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