[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2009-05-20 Thread Scott Ritchie
** Also affects: human-theme (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: gnome-themes-ubuntu (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Description changed:

- Wine by default uses the Windows grey color for it's main window color,
- which is ugly by itself. But when combined with the Ubuntu desktop it
- gets even uglier. It would be nice to have wine pre-configured with the
- following color scheme (which is adapted to Ubuntu colors):
+ Wine needs direction from the system theme in order to color itself, as
+ attempting to guess colors by probing the theme is complicated and
+ doesn't always work right, especially when the theme engine completely
+ redoes the drawing of widgets.
+ 
+ As such, for Wine to look consistent, we should provide hints for Wine
+ inside each system theme package that Wine can then look to for coloring
+ itself.  There are some suggestions about how to create a uxtheme
+ template that Wine can use here: http://wiki.winehq.org/XPThemes
+ 
+ 
+ Original report:
+ Wine by default uses the Windows grey color for it's main window color, which 
is ugly by itself. But when combined with the Ubuntu desktop it gets even 
uglier. It would be nice to have wine pre-configured with the following color 
scheme (which is adapted to Ubuntu colors):
  
  [Control Panel\\Colors] 1177865204
  ActiveBorder=192 192 192
  ActiveTitle=0 0 128
  AppWorkSpace=128 128 128
  Background=0 128 128
  ButtonAlternateFace=180 180 180
  ButtonDkShadow=0 0 0
  ButtonFace=192 192 192
  ButtonHilight=255 255 255
  ButtonLight=224 224 224
  ButtonShadow=128 128 128
  ButtonText=0 0 0
  GradientActiveTitle=16 132 208
  GradientInactiveTitle=181 181 181
  GrayText=128 128 128
  Hilight=0 0 128
  HilightText=255 255 255
  HotTrackingColor=0 0 255
  InactiveBorder=192 192 192
  InactiveTitle=128 128 128
  InactiveTitleText=192 192 192
  InfoText=0 0 0
  InfoWindow=255 255 225
  Menu=192 192 192
  MenuBar=192 192 192
  MenuHilight=0 0 0
  MenuText=0 0 0
  Scrollbar=192 192 192
  TitleText=255 255 255
  Window=255 255 255
  WindowFrame=0 0 0
  WindowText=0 0 0

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2009-05-20 Thread Scott Ritchie
The upstream Wine bug is for defining a standardized way of embedding
these hints.

** Bug watch added: Wine Bugzilla #18546
   http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18546

** Changed in: wine
   Status: Fix Released = Unknown

** Changed in: wine
 Remote watch: www.wine-doors.org/trac/ #411 = Wine Bugzilla #18546

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2009-05-20 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: wine
   Status: Unknown = Confirmed

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2009-01-07 Thread Mantas Kriaučiūnas
** Also affects: wine (Baltix)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-12-23 Thread Adomas Bosanova
But the color scheme of Ubuntu Human should really be applied to WINE by
default.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-11-05 Thread Mephisto
Well, your point of windows lacking a theme engine in the old days is valid, 
but software that has been updated in the last 8 years or so usually supports 
theming, cause no windows developer would want their app to look bad on XP.
Sure, wine theming support is nowhere near complete, but that should be 
irrelevant, cause rendering through GTK should bypass that theme engine, as its 
not needed.
And yes, wine should work regardless of the user having GTK, Qt or whatever 
installed, but i don't see why this would be an issue. Wine can just try to 
open the GTK/Qt/etc library that it wants to use, and if it's not available, 
fall back to the old rendering engine. No one said the old way has to be 
deleted ;)

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-11-05 Thread Dan Kegel
Although using GTK themeing sounds nice, it's impractical;
wine is going to use windows themes.  See
http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2008-November/070338.html

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-11-01 Thread Mephisto
Can someone enlighten me on something? Why is all the talk about
adapting color schemes, when a much cleaner solution would be to just
have GTK draw the wine windows, like mono, java and other languages do?
What makes wine so special that it cant implement something like Qt does
with QGtkStyle (making qt look like gtk)?

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-11-01 Thread Reece H. Dunn
 Why is all the talk about adapting color schemes, when a much cleaner 
 solution would be to just
 have GTK draw the wine windows, like mono, java and other languages do? What 
 makes wine
so special that it cant implement something like Qt does with QGtkStyle 
(making qt look like gtk)?

Qt has its own theming API, so that calls to the Qt engine can be mapped
to the Gtk engine.

Windows did not support a theming engine before XP (and then you have to
call the correct APIs and mark your application to be theming aware).
Applications can get the system colours and interrogate some of the
metric information (such as the width of a scrollbar). An application
will (if it is written correctly) get those system colours to render
different parts of the application. If it is a text editor, it will
select the window background and text colour to use, for example.

For applications that support theming the situation is better, but there
you are limited to what is available in the XP, Vista and soon to be
Windows 7 APIs.

Note that because Wine is multi-platform it will need to work with Gtk,
Gt, Cocoa/Carbon and also in the absence of these (e.g. if you are
running on OpenSolaris).

In addition to this, the Wine theming support is not yet to the point
where it will render an XP theme (like the Zune theme) perfectly and
efficiently.

Providing a colour scheme profile will make any Windows compliant
application look better and stand out less. Having an XP-style theme
that matches the Gtk theme will give a more natural look. Providing
hooks into the native theming engines will give the best look and feel,
but will need to be done right in order to get it accepted upstream.

It's all about ordering the tasks by how easy they are. The colour
profile stuff already works, so is the easiest to do. Full blown
integration is the hardest.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-26 Thread Reece H. Dunn
Hi,

Wine has had support for loading colour-based .theme files correctly for
a while now (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WineHumanTheme for a
human.theme file).

Winecfg will load a theme's colour profile into the registry, and allow
you to change that in the appearance section (item, color, size and font
elements), as well as loading any msstyle data. The msstyle data takes
precedence (if you are not in 'classic' mode in Windows; there is not
currently an equivalent feature in Wine/winecfg). At the moment, the
push buttons, radio buttons and check boxes (and possibly some other
controls in user32.dll) are not properly themed, so will use the themes
colour profile.

I also have some ideas (http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-
devel/2008-October/069583.html) on improving winecfg, some of which I
have sent patches for. Owen Rudge (http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-
devel/2008-October/069593.html) also has more ideas on this as well.

With Windows Vista, Microsoft have changed the msstyle theme data
format. As such, it should be possible to make the theme engine
(uxtheme.dll) in Wine interact with the Gtk, Qt and Cocoa/Carbon theme
APIs to render elements correctly.

Any application that modifies the msstyle theme will need to inform the
wineserver to send out a WM_THEMECHANGED notification to all top-level
windows so that they can update properly; likewise any colour profile
changes, the application will need to inform the wineserver that it
needs to send out a WM_SYSCOLORCHANGED notification.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-24 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: wine
   Status: Confirmed = Fix Released

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-24 Thread Endolith
 Hey, that sounds like the way to go...
 has anybody tried these in Wine yet?

I tried it and it didn't have any effect on buttons, window borders,
etc.  Tabs were different, but that was the only noticeable change
besides colors.

 I think they're two different ways of jamming the
 same info in. I haven't looked to see if that's
 true or which one wins if you try both.

I think the msstyles file sets colors in the registry, but you can then
change them with winecfg.  The tab colors could not be changed,
presumably because they are images, and there was a blue and orange
theme built into the one file.  Try one and you'll see how it works.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-23 Thread Dan Kegel
 So this will be actual themes (msstyle files), and not just colors?
 That sounds like a great halfway solution until real theming works
 (although requiring more manual labor).  

Yes, real msstyle files.

 Also it wouldn't handle user-
 customized colors, so we might merge these two efforts somehow.

How about including a tool to let users easily customize the msstyle files
and/or partially populate an msstyle file from a native theme?
- Dan

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-23 Thread Endolith
 Yes, real msstyle files.

Ah.  And we know how to avoid the slow parts that Wine doesn't quite
handle right?

 How about including a tool to let users easily customize the msstyle files
 and/or partially populate an msstyle file from a native theme?

Should we then be talking about msstyles for each GTK *engine*, not for
each theme?  Some of these already exist:

http://schmoove.deviantart.com/art/ClearLooks-for-Windows-
XP-18591720?offset=30

Then using a script to color and size them?  Does winecfg's Desktop
Integration color changer affect msstyles themes?

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Re: [Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-23 Thread Dan Kegel
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Endolith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, real msstyle files.

 Ah.  And we know how to avoid the slow parts that Wine doesn't quite
 handle right?

I don't, but either a) people can avoid them by trial and error
and/or b) wine can improve.

 How about including a tool to let users easily customize the msstyle files
 and/or partially populate an msstyle file from a native theme?

 Should we then be talking about msstyles for each GTK *engine*, not for
 each theme?  Some of these already exist:

 http://schmoove.deviantart.com/art/ClearLooks-for-Windows-
 XP-18591720?offset=30

Hey, that sounds like the way to go...
has anybody tried these in Wine yet?

 Then using a script to color and size them?

Mumble.  I'm no GUI guy.   Sounds good to me.

 Does winecfg's Desktop Integration color changer affect msstyles
themes?

I think they're two different ways of jamming the
same info in.  I haven't looked to see if that's
true or which one wins if you try both.
- Dan

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-23 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: wine
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-22 Thread Endolith
 You might be right. The way that ubuntu/gnome/gtk handle branding and
 theming pretty much sucks, so I do feel your pain. We've had to wade through
 a lot of undocumented packages to get it right. Even so, my guess is that
 gconf is the missing piece of the puzzle you are looking for.

Well, our color scraper script works fine as far as configuring Wine to
follow the Gnome colors through a registry edit.  It's just a matter of
discovering how to get certain colors out of GTK.  I've found many that
seem correct, but others that don't.  I've asked around in many places
but find it hard to get any response:

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg12076.html

 wineconfig. Yuriy, one of the posters in this thread, is the author.

Oh, nice!  I wasn't able to find anything remotely similar.  Got it from
http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/guidance-0.8.0.tar.bz2

Looks like he uses the same method for updating the registry by creating
a file and importing it with regedit.  Probably some things that could
be improved on our end, though.  :)

But to scrape the colors, he just reads from kdesktoprc.  If there is
anything similar to this in Gnome, I haven't been able to find it.

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Re: [Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-22 Thread Loye Young
 Here's a pretty good description of the current state of things:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes. From that article:
quoteEverything you want to change is being changed in so called styles.
Within these styles you have two kinds of properties. On the one hand there
is a limited set of predefined style-properties of the GTK+ theming system,
which define things like the width of the scrollbar. On the other hand there
are the theming possibilities the engines define. These engine styles are,
where most of the theming options are possible. The interesting part about
the GTK theming system is that different styles are merged to create the
final one. So what you usually will do is to define a base style with all
common options in it, and then change colors for a specific widget. /quote

It would be possible to code around each theme engine, at least if we have a
list of them, but that would require more patience than I have. Perhaps the
Right Way to Do It (tm) would be to standardize the color settings for GTK.

Another option would be to scrape a couple or three of the most common
engines and grab the rest from gconf.

This leads me back to the conclusion I came to a while back: the solution
should be done as a separate project and not as part of the WINE package. If
done in a standardized way, the project could be useful in contexts other
than WINE.

Loye

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-22 Thread Scott Ritchie
At Wineconf, the Wine developers agreed on an alternative solution that
seems optimal for Wine:

Bundling specially-crafted Windows themes alongside system themes.  When
I switch to the Human theme in Ubuntu, or the Ubuntu-Studio theme, they
should both have an included Windows .theme file that is essentially
ignored by the system.  Wine can then read that .theme and use it.

One nice advantage of doing this is that we can make Wine applications
look slightly different from GTK ones when it's necessary.  By
customizing the Windows theme, we can also avoid the slow parts that
Wine doesn't quite handle right, and actually take advantage of the
(mostly) working parts of Wine's theming engine.

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Re: [Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-22 Thread Loye Young
@Scott

Is that already implemented? Is the syntax of .theme documented
anywhere?

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-22 Thread Dan Kegel
No, not yet implemented, it was just a discussion.

BTW Picasa tried theme color scraping, it was spectacularly ugly, so we 
stopped.  
The Wineconf tracking themes proposal mentioned by Scott is much more 
promising.

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Re: [Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-22 Thread Loye Young
It's good to learn from others' mistakes. :-)

Okay, so why don't we start by creating a Default.theme (using the default
wine Window-ish colors) and Human.theme that is in the same format as the
reg files, and have wineconf read that? If memory serves correctly, the
settings are saved to ~/.wine/user.reg.

A separate package with the themes (wine-themes?) seems prudent as it
would modularize the implementation better, IMHO. Other desktops can submit
themes to the theming package, or create their own packages based on
wine-themes (e.g., wine-themes-ubuntu-studio, wine-themes-iycc, etc.).

Endolith, can you use that script of yours to scrape the gnome settings from
gconf, gtkrc, and perhaps other obvious places and save a .theme file, at
least as a wag and a poke themer?

BTW, seems like it would be pretty simple to create a Wine Color Chooser
similar to Gnome Color Chooser that creates the Wine theme file. Maybe we
could even add a checkbox to Gnome Color Chooser to make the wine theme. But
writing a new program we should probably leave to another day. :-)

Happy Trails,


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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-22 Thread Endolith
 It would be possible to code around each theme engine, at least if we have a
 list of them, but that would require more patience than I have. Perhaps the
 Right Way to Do It (tm) would be to standardize the color settings for GTK.

Yeah.  I talked to Havoc Pennington today (http://ometer.com/gtk-
colors.html), and he said it's basically impossible to do what I'm
trying to do, since every GTK engine has its own painting code, and can
use the colors however it wants.  Most seem to use the colors in the
same way, so the script gives decent results, but not for all cases.  If
we needed to, we could probably make it work by writing separate
mappings for each engine, though I don't really want to do it.  :)  It
could at least be considered a Clearlooks scraper, as is.  I posted
screenshots of some of the results:

http://www.endolith.com/wordpress/2008/08/03/wine-colors/#toc-
screenshots

 Bundling specially-crafted Windows themes alongside system themes. ...
 and actually take advantage of the (mostly) working parts of
 Wine's theming engine.

So this will be actual themes (msstyle files), and not just colors?
That sounds like a great halfway solution until real theming works
(although requiring more manual labor).  Also it wouldn't handle user-
customized colors, so we might merge these two efforts somehow.

 Endolith, can you use that script of yours to scrape the gnome settings from
 gconf, gtkrc, and perhaps other obvious places and save a .theme file, at
 least as a wag and a poke themer?

All it does is copy the colors from actual GTK elements.  It won't copy
other aspects of the GTK theme that would be useful in an msstyle file.

Note that we should make the fonts the same, too, and I'm not sure how
to set those except for the ones included in the winecfg utility Desktop
Integration tab.

 BTW, seems like it would be pretty simple to create a Wine Color Chooser
 similar to Gnome Color Chooser that creates the Wine theme file. Maybe we
 could even add a checkbox to Gnome Color Chooser to make the wine theme. But
 writing a new program we should probably leave to another day. :-)

All of the wine colors are already settable in winecfg.  Do you mean
something else?

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-21 Thread Endolith
** Bug watch added: www.wine-doors.org/trac/ #411
   http://www.wine-doors.org/trac/ticket/411

** Also affects: wine via
   http://www.wine-doors.org/trac/ticket/411
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-21 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: wine
   Status: Unknown = New

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Re: [Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-21 Thread Loye Young
Endolith,

We've been learning a thing or three about the subject lately, and here's
what we've found.

/usr/share/gconf/defaults/ is where the original defaults come from. It gets
copied to the users' home directories when the users log in the first time.

The gnome-color-chooser application creates a separate file which overrides
the particular user's default settings. Making some changes with
gnome-color-chooser and then reading the resulting file should be
instructive on finding which key/variable pairs you need to read.

The gconf-editor package is a graphical interface to gconf, and it may also
be of assistance.

python-gconf contains the bindings that allow you to work with gconf in
python. (KDE's wine configuration tool is written in python, if my memory
serves me correctly. )

Happy trails,

Loye Young


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 give up.  I can't figure out how to read them from various places, or
 when I do read them, they don't match the actual colors.  It works
 somewhat for some themes.  See
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5506889#post5506889

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-21 Thread Endolith
 The gnome-color-chooser application creates a separate file which overrides
 the particular user's default settings. Making some changes with
 gnome-color-chooser and then reading the resulting file should be
 instructive on finding which key/variable pairs you need to read.

 The gconf-editor package is a graphical interface to gconf, and it may also
 be of assistance.

Hmm.. I should be reading the colors from gconf instead of directly from
gtk?  I noticed that some colors were in gconf, but I thought the
location varied with the gtk engine you are using.

 python-gconf contains the bindings that allow you to work with gconf in
 python.

I've already got gconf in the script to read the Gnome Desktop
background color.

http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~endolith/%2Bjunk/wine-color-scraper/files

 (KDE's wine configuration tool is written in python, if my memory
 serves me correctly. )

What's the name of the KDE tool?

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Re: [Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-10-21 Thread Loye Young
Hmm.. I should be reading the colors from gconf instead of directly from
gtk?  I noticed that some colors were in gconf, but I thought the
location varied with the gtk engine you are using.

You might be right. The way that ubuntu/gnome/gtk handle branding and
theming pretty much sucks, so I do feel your pain. We've had to wade through
a lot of undocumented packages to get it right. Even so, my guess is that
gconf is the missing piece of the puzzle you are looking for.

We at IYCC use gconf for our branding, and it works. Take a look at the
first six screenshots here: http://www.iycc.net/screenshots. You, however,
have a slightly different problem because you are working the other
direction, i.e., you are trying to follow the settings, not overwrite them.


What's the name of the KDE tool?
wineconfig. Yuriy, one of the posters in this thread, is the author.

I actually took a stab at this project in the past, but decided that the
problem should be fixed in separate package, the way Yuriy did it. I
documented my reasoning, so take a look at the earlier postings in the
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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-08-01 Thread Endolith
I tried to write a script to update the colors based on Gnome, but I
give up.  I can't figure out how to read them from various places, or
when I do read them, they don't match the actual colors.  It works
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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-06-30 Thread Scott Ritchie
Intrepid would be a good target for this to finally get done.  We'll
need a Windows version of the new theme, and then we can peel out the
parts that make Wine really slow.

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2008-06-30 Thread Scott Ritchie
** Changed in: wine (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-05-05 Thread Endolith
Since theming doesn't work, couldn't a script at least be written that
sets the COLORS to match the desktop you are using?  There's only 31
colors in that config file, and it's just plain text.  Surely the Gnome
color scheme is stored in an equally-transparent file somewhere, and a
simple translator could be written.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2008-02-24 Thread Charles
Hey Scott, you mentioned changing the default colors for Gutsy but I
don't think that made it in. Does anyone know if there is any progress
relating to this on Hardy? Is this the main bug regarding better wine
integration with Ubuntu?

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-12-03 Thread hroo772
In the new release of wine 0.9.50, these commits were made and are apart
of the .50 release:

user32: Fix colours to match exactly with Windows 2000.
http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commit;h=91d2b609c3d13ee7a2fcdf5529a8c0ea9d6f7266

user32: Change the desktop colour and pattern to match win2k.
http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commit;h=113f573b25f136674bfd7324b54ad7109d01142b

user32, wine.inf: Enable title bar gradients and match colours with win2k.
http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commit;h=1aff3528cf0a7760758274766c1d4021b7ffa0c1

user32: Change to modern Windows colours.
http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commit;h=1f8ba9612880582b8db827cae4b6f2c4504c602e

Since all of these changes were made in the new release, once Ubuntu can
update the version in apt, there should be no need for messy/registry
fixes.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-12-03 Thread beerfan
@hroo772, how are these changes relevant? I don't see any new or changed
options in winecfg for 0.9.50 and the wine theme is unchanged.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-12-03 Thread Scott Ritchie
Wine has a new colorscheme in 0.9.50...but it's still the WINDOWS color
scheme and theming support is still broken.  Still, 0.9.50 is better
than 0.9.49 and will be uploaded to Hardy soon.

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Re: [Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-12-03 Thread Loye Young
I still say that the Right Way to Do It would be to port Yuriy's
wineconfig application to Gnome/GTK and keep it as a separate
application so that we don't booger up wine and have to keep messing
with it every time wine gets updated.

But I don't much have a dog in the race.

Loye

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-09-28 Thread Charles
Would anyone mind explaining exactly where those options go? I assume in
a config file somewhere but I am not sure which one. I will eagerly
await better Wine and Ubuntu integration but until then, this is much
better than nothing I suspect. Thanks!

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-09-28 Thread Yuriy Kozlov
The color options mentioned above are in a key in the windows/wine
registry.  You can edit it manually using regedit or using wineconfig
(part of the kde-guidance package).

A theme (widget style) can be enabled through winecfg or wineconfig, but
as mentioned, theming support is buggy.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-09-10 Thread Scott Ritchie
It looks like theming hasn't improved enough in Wine to have proper
theming support in Gutsy.

Maybe by Wine 1.0... (and maybe by Hardy...)

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-07-28 Thread Loye Young
I apologize for not getting this done.

I have dug through the code and Yuriy is exactly correct, a gtk/gnome
port of the wineconfig (or creating a similar application from scratch)
is the Right Thing To Do. (He is the authority because he wrote
wineconfig, which is a very fine tool.) At the UbuntuLive conference
last week, the Ubuntu team said that they are working on better
integration of wine and the Ubuntu desktop for the Gutsy release.

I continue to think that this bug is better solved outside of the wine
package received from upstream. Instead, it should be handled by the
desktop environment of the user.

For both of these reasons, I am abandoning my effort on this bug, and I
would vote to either close this bug and reassign it to a different
package.

Having said that, the solution suggested by beerfan above (perhaps with
a summary of this thread) would make an excellent addition to the wiki
so that users at large would have accessible and cogent documentation on
tuning their Wine colors.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-06-19 Thread Loye Young
The problem with hardcoding the color scheme is that not everyone will
want or be using the Ubuntu default color scheme. In fact, as Beryl and
other graphical improvements come online, there will be less and less
uniformity of color schemes over time. Remember, the Wine that runs
under Gnome is the same wine that runs under XFCE (Xbuntu) and KDE
(Kubuntu), not to mention the variations of Ichthux, Ubuntu Studio,
Ebuntu, Fluxbuntu, etc. etc. The Right Thing To Do (TM) is for Wine to
use by default the colors from the user's environment.

I'm running Kubuntu, which is of course Ubuntu with the KDE Desktop
Environment. When I configure Wine via Kubuntu's normal System Settings
(K Menu -- System Settings -- Advanced -- Windows Applications --
Appearance), the Color Scheme setting allows me to select Get KDE
Colors. That is what should be the default, and what Ubuntu's Gnome
desktop should do as well.

What's so different about Gnome that it can't be done already? Seems
like the same or similar code from Kubuntu's System Settings could be
used to read Gnome's environment settings.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-06-19 Thread Pascal de Bruijn
Well yes, that's true.

However, it currently does not look good in any of the environments.

I'd rather have it look good in one, then in none.

Also please remember that Ubuntu is a GNOMEish distribution primarily.

Besides I think the default XFCE and GNOME color schemes are reasonably
similar.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-06-19 Thread Loye Young
I'd rather have it look good in one, then in none. . . . Besides I think the 
default XFCE and GNOME color schemes are reasonably similar.
A reasonable argument. 

Also please remember that Ubuntu is a GNOMEish distribution primarily.
I disagree. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xbuntu are all official Canonical-sponsored 
projects, sharing the same codebase for all three. Linus Torvalds, Mark 
Shuttleworth, Michael Dell, and many others use the KDE environment (i.e., 
Kubuntu). The default is Gnome, because it's the one most likely to appeal to 
home users and computer novices, which seems to be a reasonable approach.

Best practice would be to make wine and other Ubuntu-distributed
packages desktop environment neutral, to the greatest extent possible.
In this case, I'm arguing that we should make the default to integrate
with _whatever_ desktop color scheme they have, but leave the fallback
colors alone. My reasoning is that folks like you and me want it to look
like their desktop. Those who don't probably want a Window-ish look and
feel (which is, IMHO, ugly).

Is there not already an option for Gnome users to pull the colors from
the desktop environment, like KDE users can in System Settings (which is
from the kde-system-settings package)? If not, what would that require?
I can't image it would be much harder for Gnome than for KDE.

But if I'm wrong, and something about the Gnome configurations make it
terribly time consuming, then perhaps the install script should decide
on the default color scheme depending on which desktop environment is
installed. For KDE, it would be Get KDE Colors, for Gnome, it would be
the {perhaps hard coded for now) Default Ubuntu Colors.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-06-19 Thread beerfan
I'm going to step out on a limb here with some opinion.

The theme that Linus, or even Mark Shuttleworth, is irrelevant. So is
discussion about Kubuntu or any other *derivative* distribution.

The default theme in Ubuntu is Human and apps that do not support
metacity/gnome themes (like Wine and Qt) should have some similar themes
added to at least make an effort to integrate well with the default
theme. Requests to support native themes with Wine are likely to be much
more difficult to solve leaving us with no interim solution. Those
requests should be placed in another (upstream) bug.

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Re: [Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-06-19 Thread Loye Young
The default theme in Ubuntu is Human.
Ubuntu isn't the only install that the wine package must support. We must also 
support Kubuntu, Xbuntu, and Edubuntu, all of which are standard Ubuntu 
installs. The default color scheme for each of those are much different. 

There's nothing about wine that suggests its user interface should have the 
Gnome desktop settings hard-coded into it. In point of fact, the current 
defaults look better with Kubuntu than would the Human orange, red, and 
brown. 

Requests to support native themes with Wine are likely to be much
more difficult to solve leaving us with no interim solution. Those
requests should be placed in another (upstream) bug.

We _already_ support native color schemes. The problem is that apparently it 
doesn't work for the Gnome desktop, or we wouldn't be having this discussion. 

I'll take a stab tonight at figuring out why it works for Kubuntu but not 
Gnome. I'll get back with you before the week is out.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-06-19 Thread Yuriy Kozlov
Is there not already an option for Gnome users to pull the colors from
the desktop environment, like KDE users can in System Settings (which is
from the kde-system-settings package)? If not, what would that require?
I can't image it would be much harder for Gnome than for KDE.

It would require a GTK/gnome port of the wineconfig utility that you are
referring to.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-06-04 Thread beerfan
There are Clearlooks-alike themes for Windows. The problem is that using
non-classic themes in Wine causes a huge performance hit. Even using a
Microsoft provided theme like Royale (the MCE theme) slows my Wine to
unusable levels.

Simply implementing a friendlier color scheme would be a huge
improvement.

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-06-04 Thread beerfan
By the way, the color scheme give above doesn't look right to me. It
looks like the default windows (gray) colors.

The color scheme given at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine#head-
80549bd5796be9095a66ba1d30b531dc4ae9be5a represents fairly accurately
the Human colors.

[Control Panel\\Colors] 1176981676 
ActiveBorder=239 235 231
ActiveTitle=239 235 231
AppWorkSpace=198 198 191
Background=93 77 52
ButtonAlternativeFace=200 0 0
ButtonDkShadow=85 85 82
ButtonFace=239 235 231
ButtonHilight=255 255 255
ButtonLight=255 255 255
ButtonShadow=198 198 191
ButtonText=0 0 0
GradientActiveTitle=239 235 231
GradientInactiveTitle=239 235 231
GrayText=198 198 191
Hilight=246 200 129
HilightText=0 0 0
InactiveBorder=239 235 231
InactiveTitle=239 235 231
InactiveTitleText=255 255 255
InfoText=0 0 0
InfoWindow=255 255 166
Menu=239 235 231
MenuBar=0 0 0
MenuHilight=246 200 129
MenuText=0 0 0
Scrollbar=239 235 231
TitleText=255 255 255
Window=255 255 255
WindowFrame=0 0 0
WindowText=0 0 0

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-05-28 Thread Stephan Hermann
** Changed in: wine (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Scott Ritchie = Ubuntu Wine Team

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-05-25 Thread Stephan Hermann
** Changed in: wine (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Wishlist

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-05-02 Thread Scott Ritchie
Agreed, however the ultimate solution is to have Wine's theming support
read the system theme - I believe there's a Summer of Code project to
this very effect.

Regardless, if that doesn't get done in time, I'll try changing the
default colors for Gutsy.

** Changed in: wine (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Scott Ritchie
   Status: Unconfirmed = Confirmed

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[Bug 111061] Re: Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors

2007-05-02 Thread Pascal de Bruijn
A good, of course a Clearlooks theme for wine would be better, but I
assumed that would be a lot of work... so having the colors synced
seemed like a good compromise for the time being...

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