Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board restaffing
Reminder: nominations to stand for the Developer Membership Board close on Tuesday 11 June. If you're a core dev or MOTU, please consider if you can help. Please also encourage anyone you think is qualified and would be good at it to accept a nomination! Sometimes the most suitable people don't consider themselves suitable without others pointing that out to them. Details are in the original announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2024-May/001350.html Robie signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 01:45:54PM +0100, Robie Basak wrote: > Four members - Łukasz Zemczak, Thomas Ward, Dan Streetman and Robie > Basak - have completed their two year terms on the DMB. Dan has resigned > his seat, and the other three are continuing on a temporary extension to > help the DMB continue operating pending an election. This is a call for > nominations to fill their four seats. Once again we aren't up to the required five nominations yet. In recent years the DMB has routinely been short-staffed, blocking us from being able to appoint more Ubuntu developers. If you are a core dev or MOTU, please consider spending one hour every other Monday to help others join us by nominating yourself for a seat on the DMB[1]. [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2022-May/001314.html signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 02:43:40AM +, Seth Arnold wrote: > On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 10:37:07AM -0500, Dan Streetman wrote: > > In any case, all this formality really is exhausting and I don't care > > to pursue it, since you seem to be saying that I can't call for a DMB > I've been having this thought a lot the last few years. > A lot of the Ubuntu structures feel like they may have had a place in the > early days, when there were thousands of enthusiasts all contributing at > once and trying to coordinate how they were going to do all that. > Now it feels like we've got the ossified remains of a lot of committees > and teams and boards and I just don't know how much of it is still > relevant to the Ubuntu of today. Every piece serves a role so it's not > like I can just point to any one specific thing and say we ought to scrap > it, but I remember watching what felt like dozens of DMB meetings where > not enough members showed up, not enough members voted, and the poor > applicants could go weeks or months (or more?) without an answer. > That kills enthusiasm. > I'm sorry that I don't have a solution to recommend but I think I'd like > to suggest that we try stepping back from bureaucracy when opportunities > arise. There was a time a few years ago, when DMB absenteeism was at an absolute high and the Technical Board didn't seem to have much to do, that I had the thought that it might be a good idea to roll the DMB responsibilities back up into the TB directly. Circumstances have changed since then on both the DMB and TB side, and I no longer feel like this is a good solution. I agree that when our boards are not operating effectively, that is a serious frustration for members of our community. The functions of these particular boards, however, are not something that we can dispense with since they're about fundamental technical governance of the project and how we onboard new members. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer https://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On 3/9/22 09:18, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Hey Robie and DMB members, Le 01/03/2022 à 16:51, Robie Basak a écrit : Candidates must expect to be able to attend the majority of DMB meetings. Currently these take place on IRC, are scheduled on alternate Mondays with each meeting alternating between 1600 UTC and 1900 UTC, and last around an hour. Following the recent emails stating that we don't have enough candidate I'm going to drop a note about ^ I was pondering sending my application, I'm busy but I think it's important that we have a function DMB, but that 'must expect' statement convinced me to not. I try to lock the 17h30-20h to be able to have some family time and that's not something I'm wanting to compromise on at this point. I might not be the only one in that situation, since we are short on candidate maybe it would help to try to be less rigid on that requirement? (being open to different times? allow members to skip and vote via email? ...) With my DMB hat on: There is no 'requirement' on those time slots - we are capable of adjusting our meeting times according to our availability in the DMB by simple vote, and we've done this before. From my insight into the structure of DMB and how things're delegated, the DMB can change the timing to make sure we can all meet at least one of the meeting times every week. Currently, the DMB attempts to use real-time interviews where possible because sometimes we have questions that we can ask and then let people respond to those questions. The standard case - backed by me as well - is that real-time meetings where possible is preferred as we can get a better idea of someone's statements and opinions and knowledge more easily because it's real-time. While we have the occasional cases we need to get people into an email based process - usually due to timezones or other obligations - we usually prefer the real-time approach, because we can ask real-time questions without providing any extra time to 'research' the proper answer just to get things right. I agree with the general consensus that we have a problem with attendance - either because we're busy or because of other things. When those cases come up, with logical reasons for not attending it can be made sense why we might not be in the meetings. When people are not in the meeting and we aren't quorate, the issue we've had in the past is nobody responding in a timely manner to those messages - therefore a lack of participation. However, going email-only is going to be problematic because there's no guarantee for this to get handled. Similarly, with IRC meetings, if we are not available for a meeting, we usually do not have it and have to reschedule. The DMB in the past has experimented with email-only processes, and again timely responses have never been received so an application hung for way too long. Which is why we have a general rule on attendance and participation. It's insufficient to require just email votes on an application, in my opinion, and it's more effective to discuss items in a meeting that we carve an hour of time out for, rather than overwhelm everyone with just emails. This shouldn't block you, Sebastien, on the application process. In fact, I would strongly recommend you apply for the position regardless of the current time slots, the DMB when it's fully staffed can bring up the meeting change times itself, and we've done it before multiple times. Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:19 AM Sebastien Bacher wrote: > > Hey Robie and DMB members, > > Le 01/03/2022 à 16:51, Robie Basak a écrit : > > Candidates must expect to be able to attend the majority of DMB > > meetings. Currently these take place on IRC, are scheduled on alternate > > Mondays with each meeting alternating between 1600 UTC and 1900 UTC, and > > last around an hour. > > Following the recent emails stating that we don't have enough candidate > I'm going to drop a note about ^ > > I was pondering sending my application, I'm busy but I think it's > important that we have a function DMB, but that 'must expect' statement > convinced me to not. I will comment here only to say that statement does not reflect my opinion at all, and was not discussed with the other DMB members before Robie sent it. I have absolutely no idea whether that statement is simply Robie's opinion, or actual policy of the DMB. Personally I do not think new members should be expected to attend the majority of DMB meetings; I think it's 100% fine for members to participate asynchronously using the mailing list (or proxy voting, but with ML voting, I don't really see the need for proxy voting). > I try to lock the 17h30-20h to be able to have some family time and > that's not something I'm wanting to compromise on at this point. > > I might not be the only one in that situation, since we are short on > candidate maybe it would help to try to be less rigid on that > requirement? (being open to different times? allow members to skip and > vote via email? ...) > > Cheers, > Sebastien Bacher > > > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
Hey Robie and DMB members, Le 01/03/2022 à 16:51, Robie Basak a écrit : Candidates must expect to be able to attend the majority of DMB meetings. Currently these take place on IRC, are scheduled on alternate Mondays with each meeting alternating between 1600 UTC and 1900 UTC, and last around an hour. Following the recent emails stating that we don't have enough candidate I'm going to drop a note about ^ I was pondering sending my application, I'm busy but I think it's important that we have a function DMB, but that 'must expect' statement convinced me to not. I try to lock the 17h30-20h to be able to have some family time and that's not something I'm wanting to compromise on at this point. I might not be the only one in that situation, since we are short on candidate maybe it would help to try to be less rigid on that requirement? (being open to different times? allow members to skip and vote via email? ...) Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:44 PM Seth Arnold wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 10:37:07AM -0500, Dan Streetman wrote: > > In any case, all this formality really is exhausting and I don't care > > to pursue it, since you seem to be saying that I can't call for a DMB > > I've been having this thought a lot the last few years. > > A lot of the Ubuntu structures feel like they may have had a place in the > early days, when there were thousands of enthusiasts all contributing at > once and trying to coordinate how they were going to do all that. > > Now it feels like we've got the ossified remains of a lot of committees > and teams and boards and I just don't know how much of it is still > relevant to the Ubuntu of today. Every piece serves a role so it's not > like I can just point to any one specific thing and say we ought to scrap > it, but I remember watching what felt like dozens of DMB meetings where > not enough members showed up, not enough members voted, and the poor > applicants could go weeks or months (or more?) without an answer. > > That kills enthusiasm. > > I'm sorry that I don't have a solution to recommend but I think I'd like > to suggest that we try stepping back from bureaucracy when opportunities > arise. Thanks Seth, I think that summarizes my frustrations extremely well. I don't know if I have the energy to step back into working on the DMB, but I am trying to pre-emptively address this with my proposed charter for the backports team (in case you haven't seen it): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter Essentially, what I see as absolutely critical to Ubuntu teams is for the team members to focus on the team *mission*, and appoint *one* person as administrator to handle all the administrivia/bureaucracy. The *mission* of the DMB has become completely and totally lost in the needless administration of rules, and that only serves to make the problem worse as the (volunteer!) team members lose interest. I think at this point, the DMB desperately needs a charter, so these team-wide discussions about administration can end, and an administrator to take responsibility (and have authority) to make sure the team makes progress on its mission. > > Thanks > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 02:43:40AM +, Seth Arnold wrote: > I've been having this thought a lot the last few years. My response here should in no way be read as suggesting Robie is personally contributing to an excess of bureaucracy in Ubuntu. To the contrary, I've always appreciated that Robie eagerly reaches out to start conversations to reach a consensus. This is strictly a lament that I don't think the structures we've got are responsive to the needs of today. We've got a lot of roles to fill and everyone in the project is stretched too thin to take on additional responsibilities. Thanks signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 10:37:07AM -0500, Dan Streetman wrote: > In any case, all this formality really is exhausting and I don't care > to pursue it, since you seem to be saying that I can't call for a DMB I've been having this thought a lot the last few years. A lot of the Ubuntu structures feel like they may have had a place in the early days, when there were thousands of enthusiasts all contributing at once and trying to coordinate how they were going to do all that. Now it feels like we've got the ossified remains of a lot of committees and teams and boards and I just don't know how much of it is still relevant to the Ubuntu of today. Every piece serves a role so it's not like I can just point to any one specific thing and say we ought to scrap it, but I remember watching what felt like dozens of DMB meetings where not enough members showed up, not enough members voted, and the poor applicants could go weeks or months (or more?) without an answer. That kills enthusiasm. I'm sorry that I don't have a solution to recommend but I think I'd like to suggest that we try stepping back from bureaucracy when opportunities arise. Thanks signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:20 AM Robie Basak wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 08:56:23AM -0500, Dan Streetman wrote: > > I would like to officially call for a DMB vote on extending DMB > > eligibility to members of the ~ubuntu-sru-developers team. > > Previous discussion and decision here: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2020-January/002464.html > > It's been pointed out recently that it's the TB that runs the DMB > election, even if the administrative work has been delegated to the DMB > (and then to me). > > I concluded the previous discussion on the basis of having found > consensus within the DMB (you weren't on the DMB at the time) and on the > basis of no objection from the TB, who were copied in to the thread. > > If you want the eligibility criteria changed contrary to that previous > discussion and decision, I think it'd need to be a TB policy decision Well, that seems a whole lot like it's simply your opinion. In any case, all this formality really is exhausting and I don't care to pursue it, since you seem to be saying that I can't call for a DMB vote on this, even though the previous decision was decided entirely by DMB members. > since it'd be contrary to the opinion of a bunch of people in that > thread (and therefore there wouldn't be consensus, unless their > positions have changed or you persuade them otherwise). You can take it > to the TB mailing list and/or add the item to the TB agenda here: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda > > Robie -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 08:56:23AM -0500, Dan Streetman wrote: > I would like to officially call for a DMB vote on extending DMB > eligibility to members of the ~ubuntu-sru-developers team. Previous discussion and decision here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2020-January/002464.html It's been pointed out recently that it's the TB that runs the DMB election, even if the administrative work has been delegated to the DMB (and then to me). I concluded the previous discussion on the basis of having found consensus within the DMB (you weren't on the DMB at the time) and on the basis of no objection from the TB, who were copied in to the thread. If you want the eligibility criteria changed contrary to that previous discussion and decision, I think it'd need to be a TB policy decision since it'd be contrary to the opinion of a bunch of people in that thread (and therefore there wouldn't be consensus, unless their positions have changed or you persuade them otherwise). You can take it to the TB mailing list and/or add the item to the TB agenda here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda Robie signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 8:52 AM Robie Basak wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 01, 2022 at 03:51:22PM +, Robie Basak wrote: > > Three members - Simon Quigley, Eric Desrochers and Rafael David Tinoco - > > have recently vacated their seats on the DMB. Subsequently, this email > > is a call for nominations to fill their vacated seats. > > We don't yet have enough nominations to fill the seats that are up for > election. In recent years the DMB has routinely been short-staffed, > blocking us from being able to appoint more Ubuntu developers. > > If you are a core dev or MOTU, please consider spending one hour every > other Monday to help others join us by nominating yourself for a seat on > the DMB[1]. I would like to officially call for a DMB vote on extending DMB eligibility to members of the ~ubuntu-sru-developers team. > > Thanks, > > Robie > > [1] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2022-March/001305.html > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Tue, Mar 01, 2022 at 03:51:22PM +, Robie Basak wrote: > Three members - Simon Quigley, Eric Desrochers and Rafael David Tinoco - > have recently vacated their seats on the DMB. Subsequently, this email > is a call for nominations to fill their vacated seats. We don't yet have enough nominations to fill the seats that are up for election. In recent years the DMB has routinely been short-staffed, blocking us from being able to appoint more Ubuntu developers. If you are a core dev or MOTU, please consider spending one hour every other Monday to help others join us by nominating yourself for a seat on the DMB[1]. Thanks, Robie [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2022-March/001305.html signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 8:26 PM Seth Arnold wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2020 at 09:21:10AM +0100, Christian Ehrhardt wrote: > > P.S. Just an opinion and entirely up to you, the alternating meeting time > > is hard to plan for everyone. > > I haven't kept close track of the meetings but my impression is that most > of them end with "well, there's no quorum, sorry you showed up, I have kept close track, and unfortunately the DMB only reached quorum 38.46% of the time in 2019 (10 of 26 meetings). > lets do > this next time or over email". Email voting has been done by the DMB very rarely; for example, there is currently a vote by email pending since Feb 3 (6 days ago), after a 7 day period for any questions from the DMB (Jan 27 - Feb 3), and only 2 DMB members have provided a vote so far. > > It's hard to have enthusiasm for this. I agree. > > Can we replace the meeting with something else entirely, something that > fits better into the schedules of distributed, busy, people? I have submitted myself as a nominee for the DMB, and if elected (if there are enough interested candidates to have an election) I hope to help improve this process. > > Thanks > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 8:33 PM Robie Basak wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2020 at 11:38:19PM +, Seth Arnold wrote: > > Can we replace the meeting with something else entirely, something that > > fits better into the schedules of distributed, busy, people? > > Absolutely. The DMB can change how they process applications as they > wish. > > There has been talk changing the schedule. I have always suggested that > the board members who have difficulty attending the current meetings > should drive that, as any change is pointless unless it actually helps > the regular absentees attend more often. Unfortunately this never > happened. > > Perhaps one process change could be that one of the newly elected DMB's > first tasks is to decide and ratify the meeting schedule, to ensure it > is suitable for them. This is actually how it's done in Fedora. When a new group of members is elected, the first order of business is determining what is the best time for *that* group of members. Every FESCo, FPC, Council, etc. group winds up refreshing their meeting times on the first meeting post-elections. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Fri, Feb 07, 2020 at 11:38:19PM +, Seth Arnold wrote: > Can we replace the meeting with something else entirely, something that > fits better into the schedules of distributed, busy, people? Absolutely. The DMB can change how they process applications as they wish. There has been talk changing the schedule. I have always suggested that the board members who have difficulty attending the current meetings should drive that, as any change is pointless unless it actually helps the regular absentees attend more often. Unfortunately this never happened. Perhaps one process change could be that one of the newly elected DMB's first tasks is to decide and ratify the meeting schedule, to ensure it is suitable for them. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Fri, Feb 07, 2020 at 09:21:10AM +0100, Christian Ehrhardt wrote: > P.S. Just an opinion and entirely up to you, the alternating meeting time > is hard to plan for everyone. I haven't kept close track of the meetings but my impression is that most of them end with "well, there's no quorum, sorry you showed up, lets do this next time or over email". It's hard to have enthusiasm for this. Can we replace the meeting with something else entirely, something that fits better into the schedules of distributed, busy, people? Thanks signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
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On Fri, Feb 07, 2020 at 08:37:13AM +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > I think public nominations might be more nerve-wracking for good > candidates than inspiring. Back when I was one of the people running DMB elections I did think about this and ended up considering that having public nominations had a risk of putting people off for two reasons. - One, and this one certainly would have (still would) applied to me: if I see that people are going to be running who I think are stronger candidates than me then it's scary to put myself up against them and I probably just wouldn't. - Two, if you can see that enough people are going to be on the ballot already and you weren't super up for being on the board then you might not stand which would result in a narrowed field. Maybe private nominations aren't the best way to solve either of those issues but it feels on balance to me like it's still the right choice. > My sense is that we would benefit from more pro-active identification of > people who 'do things the right way', and reach out to them directly. > Often, good people don't think of themselves as leaders, they just like > to do things the right way because that's how they are. Identifying them > and helping them see that they can have a positive impact through the > DMB, together with offering to mentor them if difficult issues come up, > may give them the confidence to step forward. I think this is really important. I do remember us having similar problems finding nominees in the past, and I approached some folks who I thought would be good on the board and gave them some gentle cajoling. Some of them even got elected and have performed well ;-). I think having a personal push from someone you know in the community can go a very long way. So yes, please ask your colleagues directly and privately if they would like to help the project for two years. > We might also want to look at the way we structure the work. If it's > always an hour at the same time, it means that only certain time zones > will be well represented. Maybe we need to find a way to cover more > timezones carefully, without pushing anybody into very difficult times. There are two alternating times for the meetings- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda BUT. Having difficulty attending the evening meetings was one of the main things that caused me to semi burn out of the DMB. I used to get on my laptop in all sorts of weird places (e.g. the climbing centre) and it felt like a big chore. In the end I didn't want to do it any more. But it wasn't that clear to me at the time what the problem was - it just presented as generally not wanting to be on the board any more. Part of it was also because we struggled to achieve quorum so it felt like my presence was necessary all of the time for things to get done. If the group as a whole is an energised one then this wouldn't happen so much. Was that just me or do other DMBers feel the same? The procedural parts of this are within the power of the board to fix if it thinks that it is a problem: none of it is set in stone and you can devise new ways of working. Cheers, -- Iain Lane [ i...@orangesquash.org.uk ] Debian Developer [ la...@debian.org ] Ubuntu Developer [ la...@ubuntu.com ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
I think public nominations might be more nerve-wracking for good candidates than inspiring. My sense is that we would benefit from more pro-active identification of people who 'do things the right way', and reach out to them directly. Often, good people don't think of themselves as leaders, they just like to do things the right way because that's how they are. Identifying them and helping them see that they can have a positive impact through the DMB, together with offering to mentor them if difficult issues come up, may give them the confidence to step forward. We might also want to look at the way we structure the work. If it's always an hour at the same time, it means that only certain time zones will be well represented. Maybe we need to find a way to cover more timezones carefully, without pushing anybody into very difficult times. Mark -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:24 AM Eric Desrochers < eric.desroch...@canonical.com> wrote: > Since we have not yet enough nominations and it was the same situation at > last election 2 years ago, I started to think about what can be changed in > our approach. > > One thing that comes to my mind is what if the nomination were public ? > Right now it is private and only visible to the DMB team. It is only > public once the condorcet vote officially start. > > Would it helps having more folks nominating themselves (ripple effect) if > they see someone they know give it a try ? > IMHO yes, more like "oh he's in there I might be able to do that as well I guess", but still I think it would help. > Would it make the nomination less intimidating for some individuals ? > Yes to that. Furthermore I expect it would eliminate some cases were people skip the mail thinking "there will be enough anyway". P.S. Just an opinion and entirely up to you, the alternating meeting time is hard to plan for everyone. If there would be a way to get rid of that it might help as well. I do realize why it is the way it is (give applicants from anywhere a better chance to attend), but I'm just saying this detail might make your search for members harder. Regards, > Eric > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 4:06 PM Robie Basak wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 01:32:35PM +, Robie Basak wrote: >> > The membership terms for two members (Jeremy Bicha and Mathieu >> > Trudel-Lapierre) have expired, and the terms of the remaining members >> > (Eric Desrochers, Micah Gersten, Robie Basak, Simon Quigley and Łukasz >> > Zemczak) expire in May. Subsequently, this email is a call for >> > nominations to fill their positions. >> >> We don't yet have enough nominations to fill the seats that are up for >> election. In recent years the DMB has routinely been short-staffed, >> blocking us from being able to appoint more Ubuntu developers. >> >> If you are a core dev or MOTU, please consider spending one hour every >> other Monday to help others join us by nominating yourself for a seat on >> the DMB[1]. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Robie >> >> [1] >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2020-January/001270.html >> -- >> ubuntu-devel mailing list >> ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel >> > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel > -- Christian Ehrhardt Staff Engineer, Ubuntu Server Canonical Ltd -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
Since we have not yet enough nominations and it was the same situation at last election 2 years ago, I started to think about what can be changed in our approach. One thing that comes to my mind is what if the nomination were public ? Right now it is private and only visible to the DMB team. It is only public once the condorcet vote officially start. Would it helps having more folks nominating themselves (ripple effect) if they see someone they know give it a try ? Would it make the nomination less intimidating for some individuals ? Regards, Eric On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 4:06 PM Robie Basak wrote: > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 01:32:35PM +, Robie Basak wrote: > > The membership terms for two members (Jeremy Bicha and Mathieu > > Trudel-Lapierre) have expired, and the terms of the remaining members > > (Eric Desrochers, Micah Gersten, Robie Basak, Simon Quigley and Łukasz > > Zemczak) expire in May. Subsequently, this email is a call for > > nominations to fill their positions. > > We don't yet have enough nominations to fill the seats that are up for > election. In recent years the DMB has routinely been short-staffed, > blocking us from being able to appoint more Ubuntu developers. > > If you are a core dev or MOTU, please consider spending one hour every > other Monday to help others join us by nominating yourself for a seat on > the DMB[1]. > > Thanks, > > Robie > > [1] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2020-January/001270.html > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel > -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for nominations: Developer Membership Board
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 01:32:35PM +, Robie Basak wrote: > The membership terms for two members (Jeremy Bicha and Mathieu > Trudel-Lapierre) have expired, and the terms of the remaining members > (Eric Desrochers, Micah Gersten, Robie Basak, Simon Quigley and Łukasz > Zemczak) expire in May. Subsequently, this email is a call for > nominations to fill their positions. We don't yet have enough nominations to fill the seats that are up for election. In recent years the DMB has routinely been short-staffed, blocking us from being able to appoint more Ubuntu developers. If you are a core dev or MOTU, please consider spending one hour every other Monday to help others join us by nominating yourself for a seat on the DMB[1]. Thanks, Robie [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2020-January/001270.html signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
