Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Matthew East]

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Hi,

* Alan Pope:
> On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 08:45:12PM +, Paul Mellors wrote:
>> I've no problem with Nik leading the group, however perhaps there should 
>> be a more formal voting system so we don't actually leave anyone out? 
>> [dont know what or how]
>>
> 
> Of course the obvious question is "how do the other loco teams do it?".

Here's what we do on the Italian team -
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ItalianCommunityStructure

It's worked well for the last year and more. But, bear in mind that all
teams do things differently.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Mike Preston]

Sean Miller wrote:
> Ian wrote:
> You might find that VMWare is a good way to experiment with Ubuntu
> whilst still running windows... you can download a free 30-day-trial of 
> it from their website... you could then have Ubuntu in a window and "get 
> to know it".
>   

VMWare Server for windows and linux is now free (just have to register 
and request upto a 100 license keys for free) its not the crippleware of 
yesteryear...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Sean Miller]

Ian wrote:
> Yes I am trying to learn from Windows to use unbuntu on my second drive.
>   
You might find that VMWare is a good way to experiment with Ubuntu 
whilst still running windows... you can download a free 30-day-trial of 
it from their website... you could then have Ubuntu in a window and "get 
to know it".

After 30 days you should have acquired enough knowledge to have it all 
running quite happily in your dual-boot configuration and no longer need 
the VMWare.

Just an idea...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Ian]

Yes I am trying to learn from Windows to use unbuntu on my second drive.

 

 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Andy 

Date: 04/11/2006 23:19:30 

To: British Ubuntu Talk 

Subject: Re: [ubuntu-UK] Uk Loco team forums 

 

On 04/11/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

> You have and its appalling bad taste in my language. 

 

Its was never my intention to offend anyone, I am really sorry that 

You feel you must leave an entire group because of me. 

 

I am unsure what you mean by 'bad taste'. Sorry 

 

I have seen so much worse on the Ubuntu lists (things that don't even 

Relate to the list). However that is no excuse for my bad behaviour. 

 

I never intended to speak for you Alan C, I was unaware I was doing so. 

 

Again I am truly sorry and will attempt to hold me tongue in future. 

Back to sleep for me then. 

 

 

As far as I can tell IncrediMail is a Windows only Adware email client. 

 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Andy]

On 04/11/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You have and its appalling bad taste in my language.

Its was never my intention to offend anyone, I am really sorry that
you feel you must leave an entire group because of me.

I am unsure what you mean by 'bad taste'. sorry

I have seen so much worse on the Ubuntu lists (things that don't even
relate to the list). However that is no excuse for my bad behaviour.

I never intended to speak for you Alan C, I was unaware I was doing so.

Again I am truly sorry and will attempt to hold me tongue in future.
Back to sleep for me then.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Ian]

You have and its appalling bad taste in my language.

 

 

 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Alan c 

Date: 04/11/2006 20:54:57 

To: British Ubuntu Talk 

Subject: Re: [ubuntu-UK] Uk Loco team forums 

 

Ian wrote: 

> I could not see where to unsub? 

 

I think it is: 

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk 

 

[...] 

 

> wouldn't want to inadvertently exclude anyone, that's not the Ubuntu 

> way. 

> 

> - Andy 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Alan Pope]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 07:23:36PM +, Ian wrote:
> I could not see where to unsub?
>  

It would be a real shame if you did unsubscribe. Please reconsider.

If you do decide that you want out of this place then you'll find the necessary 
instructions at 
the link below:-

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[alan c]

Ian wrote:
> I could not see where to unsub?

I think it is:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk

[...]

> wouldn't want to inadvertently exclude anyone, that's not the Ubuntu
> way.
>  
> - Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Nik Butler]

END OF THREAD


Guys Im drawing this whole sub-thread  to a close . I would like not to 
have  any responses to the above and I have emailed Ian with his answer.

For the moment in as much as I can enforce the idea I suggest we will 
not be creating or using ubuntu forums for the Ubuntu-UK teams and that 
we can
maintain the use of the WIKI and the Mailists and the IRC channels.

Thanks guys.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Ian]

I could not see where to unsub?
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 

From: Andy
Date: 04/11/2006 13:03:52
To: British Ubuntu Talk
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
 
On 04/11/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm new to this,
It shows,
 
A little note about mailing list etiquette.
We do not need you to tell us what font size we want to view your
message in, we are perfectly capable of adjusting our email software
to a size that is comfortable. This means don't specify a font size in
your email please.
Even better would be to not use HTML to send email at all.
 
Some people may even block you messages because it contains HTML.
It also increases the file size of your email
 
Do not 'top post', this is were you write you message then quote an
entire previous message below the end of your message. quotes should
normally be inline, and only the text that is relevant.
 
Someone somewhere has a great signature about top posting, I have no
idea who, I am on a number of lists.
 
May I ask which email software you are using? Someone may be able to
tell you how to turn off HTML,
 
We really should create a resource on the wiki about how to use a mailing list.
 
 
Back on topic, If we are going to have a vote, shouldn't we ask who
wants to stand as candidates? And more importantly change the subject
when we actually do ask who wants to stand, I expect some people may
be not reading this thread because its got forum in the title. We
wouldn't want to inadvertently exclude anyone, that's not the Ubuntu
way.
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Ian]

Then I am out of here,  good bye!

 

 

 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Andy 

Date: 04/11/2006 13:03:52 

To: British Ubuntu Talk 

Subject: Re: [ubuntu-UK] Uk Loco team forums 

 

On 04/11/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

> I'm new to this, 

It shows, 

 

A little note about mailing list etiquette. 

We do not need you to tell us what font size we want to view your 

Message in, we are perfectly capable of adjusting our email software 

To a size that is comfortable. This means don't specify a font size in 

Your email please. 

Even better would be to not use HTML to send email at all. 

 

Some people may even block you messages because it contains HTML. 

It also increases the file size of your email 

 

Do not 'top post', this is were you write you message then quote an 

Entire previous message below the end of your message. Quotes should 

Normally be inline, and only the text that is relevant. 

 

Someone somewhere has a great signature about top posting, I have no 

Idea who, I am on a number of lists. 

 

May I ask which email software you are using? Someone may be able to 

Tell you how to turn off HTML, 

 

We really should create a resource on the wiki about how to use a mailing
list. 

 

 

Back on topic, If we are going to have a vote, shouldn't we ask who 

Wants to stand as candidates? And more importantly change the subject 

When we actually do ask who wants to stand, I expect some people may 

Be not reading this thread because its got forum in the title. We 

Wouldn't want to inadvertently exclude anyone, that's not the Ubuntu 

Way. 

 

- Andy 

 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Nik Butler]

Sean Miller wrote:
> I don't understand why we're doing all this again... Nick put himself 
> forward many months ago and asked if anybody else was interested to 
> which he got no responses... so surely the request for candidates to 
> come forward has already been and gone and this is just wasting time 
> going through it all again?
> t
>   
Thanks Sean.

As I see it I'll take the lead since no one officially said anything and 
your correct to say things were put forward and not responded to. 


I really want to get the approval application filled in with as much 
evidence of experience and road map conversations as possible before the 
12th November. In the meanwhile if the group now feels it wants to hold 
a election then lets get on with that. Meanwhile I really hope we can 
move forward on activites and JFDI rather than waiting to assemble some 
order.  I feel we can be a team in the sense of Jumpers for Goal posts 
as much as we can be a team in the olympic sense. We just need to 
recognise that which we should all be achieving to make he UKTeam an 
Ubunutu force to be reckoned with and that which makes us stronger and 
more able to be involved in community .

> Would it not be better to hold the first formalised "election" one year 
> from Nick's original "candidature" and in the meantime let him get on 
> with the job he appears to be doing well??
>   
To be honest I dont think its a problem to just set the target and leave 
it for a week as long as we focus on the Approval Application ( have I 
mentioned it before ?  ) and getting traction on the roadmap and 
UKTeam activitites. But I take it I can count on your vote though !


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Sean Miller]

I don't understand why we're doing all this again... Nick put himself 
forward many months ago and asked if anybody else was interested to 
which he got no responses... so surely the request for candidates to 
come forward has already been and gone and this is just wasting time 
going through it all again?

Would it not be better to hold the first formalised "election" one year 
from Nick's original "candidature" and in the meantime let him get on 
with the job he appears to be doing well??

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[alan c]

Nik Butler wrote:
> Pete Ryland wrote:
>> On 03/11/06, Joseph Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   
>>> Also is there anyone who has assumed the lead of ubuntu-uk?
>>> 
>>
>> Are you putting your hand up for the job? :-)
>>
>> Perhaps we should have a vote?  There are probably a few people who
>> would like this title.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>   
> I had kinda of assumed that I was taking on the role since Id asked at 
> the start and was taking on the responsiblity of trying to get the UK 
> Team Approved ?
> But hey if you want a vote Ive been seconded by AC .

I suggest that you regard yourself as the acting Teamleader, and get
on with it, as I believe you are!

A nomination /voting procedure is a good idea. A procedure statement
is going to take time, so are nominations and also a vote. No
problems, but I like the idea of doing what we can right *now*, and
also at the same time getting some procedures formulated - they can
take quite a time.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[alan c]

Alan Pope wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 06:56:21PM +, Tony Arnold wrote:
>> Nik,
>> 
>> Nicholas Butler wrote:
>> 
>> > My personal preferences are to use the Mailing list, however if a Forum 
>> > exists I will make sure I drop in and keep an eye on it and let people 
>> > know about the mailing list and the archvies and the thriving 
>> > communication we have here as well as the IRC Channels.
>> > 
>> > Can I assume this has been the consensus of the group ?
>> 
>> Me preference is for the mailing list, but I support the creation of a
>> forum too. If it can be integrated with the list, even better.
>> 
> 
> Indeed. If there is no integration between forum and list then there *will* 
> be fragmentation of 
> the "membership". There will be conversations that happen on the forums which 
> people on the 
> mailing list never see and vice versa. There will likely be dilution of 
> conversations as people 
> won't reply in one medium because they've seen similar replies on the other. 
> 
> This isn't just my opinion, this is what I've seen happen for many groups who 
> have run a mailing 
> list and forum side by side. Many people who are familiar with one method 
> stick with it, rightly 
> or wrongly.
> 
> Those of us who are actually committed to doing good things for Ubuntu-UK 
> will end up having to 
> spend even more of our own time than we already do keeping up with threads in 
> multiple 
> locations. In my view this is sub-optimal.
> 
> Another non-FLOSS community I am a member of recently switched from mailing 
> list to forums and 
> instantly I was unable to devote any time to the communication as a result. 
> Whilst they did in 
> fact go some way to integrate the forums with the mailing list there was a 
> fundamental flaw. 
> They had multiple forums. Each forum had to be separately subscribed to in 
> order to receive the 
> posts as emails. When a new forum was created the mailing list members had no 
> idea and went on 
> in complete ignorance of conversations happening in forums they weren't in.
> 
>> I think we could spend months discussing this, so I suggest we get on,
>> create the forum and then review it in 6 months time and see how it's going.
>> 
> 
> I can see that there is a large contingent on the web for whom mailing lists 
> are somehow scary 
> and intimidating. And for that reason I can totally understand why they want 
> a forum. What irks 
> me more than anything is the assertion that somehow forums are better than 
> mailing lists for 
> those of us that are actually pretty handy with ssh and an email client.
> 
> I also fail to see what the remit of those forums would be. At the moment it 
> seems to me that 
> there is the assertion that a forum should be created "because we can" not 
> because there is some 
> burning need to do so.
> 
> What will the new forums mandate be? The same as this mailing list or 
> something different?
> 
> Of course there's nothing I can say that can disuade anyone from creating 
> these forums, I'm just 
> voicing my concerns before the forums get established.
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
> 

I support much of what you say. I too would not use forums much,
except that
this present list is 'British Ubuntu Talk' it is not specific to the
type of talk etc. We have and will have,  specific projects in hand,
people will be interested in some maybe not all of these. It is hard
to keep track of what is being said in a project.
There are currently 42 items in this particular thread. I hope a
summary is made in a separate thread later on(!)

This thread is a creative one and sometimes other topics arise and are
also discussed.

I can see a benefit in having a flexible facility to deliberately
fragment in some way, simply to focus and condense some of what may
need to go on. This might possibly be done by, say, having a
convention of tight subject names - projects are handled by the formal
subject title. I think I could manage that information ok.
Alternatively, certain activities here could be done in detail in
another place - a sub forum/list (?)

A second level, also open membership, is useful for greater detail and
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[alan c]

Andy wrote:
> On 04/11/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm new to this,
> It shows,

Is this in the spirit of Ubuntu?

> A little note about mailing list etiquette.
> We

Please speak for yourself and do not include me.

[...]

> Someone somewhere has a great signature about top posting, I have no
> idea who, I am on a number of lists.
> 
> May I ask which email software you are using? Someone may be able to
> tell you how to turn off HTML,

Looks like incredimail

Does this list have a stated policy of bottom posting?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Dean Sas]

Andy wrote:
> On 04/11/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm new to this,
[netiquette stuff snipped]
You could have phrased that a little nicer, "please" is a nice word. 
Immediately greeting new users in such a way is one of the reasons 
mailing lists are seen as off putting and elitist. It's not the Ubuntu way.

> We really should create a resource on the wiki about how to use a mailing 
> list.

I'm sure there's plenty of existing sites we can point to.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Andy]

On 04/11/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm new to this,
It shows,

A little note about mailing list etiquette.
We do not need you to tell us what font size we want to view your
message in, we are perfectly capable of adjusting our email software
to a size that is comfortable. This means don't specify a font size in
your email please.
Even better would be to not use HTML to send email at all.

Some people may even block you messages because it contains HTML.
It also increases the file size of your email

Do not 'top post', this is were you write you message then quote an
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Someone somewhere has a great signature about top posting, I have no
idea who, I am on a number of lists.

May I ask which email software you are using? Someone may be able to
tell you how to turn off HTML,

We really should create a resource on the wiki about how to use a mailing list.


Back on topic, If we are going to have a vote, shouldn't we ask who
wants to stand as candidates? And more importantly change the subject
when we actually do ask who wants to stand, I expect some people may
be not reading this thread because its got forum in the title. We
wouldn't want to inadvertently exclude anyone, that's not the Ubuntu
way.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Ian]

I'm new to this, but think a UK forum would help no end, because of the very marked differences we experience in systems and pricing here, as well as the total overload of the current forum.
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 

From: Caroline Ford
Date: 03/11/2006 13:15:20
To: British Ubuntu Talk
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
 
On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 12:44 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I fully support the creation of an Ubuntu -UK forum. It will increase
> > the people involved in Ubuntu-UK tenfold.
> >
> > Caroline
>
> My experience with forums, is that you create them and no one uses
> them, My LUG had one and no one liked the change from mailing list to
> forums so it never got usedit may be different with ubuntu-uk
> because of the size of the user basejust be prepared for no one
> using it.i hope it won't happen if it gets done!
 
The traffic on the official forums is massive, and we are talking about
a sub forum of that.
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Dean Sas]

Dominic Forrest wrote:
>>
>> I've no problem with Nik leading the group, however perhaps there should 
>> be a more formal voting system so we don't actually leave anyone out? 
>> [dont know what or how]
>>
> Now if we have forums we could set up a vote ;-)
We already have that facility anyway - 
https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-uk/+polls

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Pete Ryland]

On 03/11/06, Nik Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had kinda of assumed that I was taking on the role since Id asked at
> the start and was taking on the responsiblity of trying to get the UK
> Team Approved ?

Apologies, I must have missed that mail.  By all means, that would be
fine by me.  It was merely a suggestion in the case that there was
more than one person who wanted the job, just so noone gets offended.
It's great to see such enthusiasm!

BTW, thanks for the great work on the Expo!  It was great fun,
especially the Lonix pub meet afterwards.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Alan Pope]

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 08:45:12PM +, Paul Mellors wrote:
> I've no problem with Nik leading the group, however perhaps there should 
> be a more formal voting system so we don't actually leave anyone out? 
> [dont know what or how]
> 

Of course the obvious question is "how do the other loco teams do it?".

If there's some manner by which Canonical / Ubuntu / Jono would *like* us to 
manage our 
'leadership' / 'committee' / whatever then maybe it's best to get that input 
too.

My local LUG has a constitution which allows for annual voting for various 
positions including 
chairman, hostmaster, treasurer and general officers. When the time comes if 
the information 
about that is useful then I'll gladly throw pointers out to those doing the 
organising.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Dominic Forrest]

Now if we have forums we could set up a vote ;-)


Dom
Paul Mellors wrote:

  Tony Arnold wrote:
  
  
Pete,

Pete Ryland wrote:


  On 03/11/06, Joseph Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
  
Also is there anyone who has assumed the lead of ubuntu-uk?

  
  Are you putting your hand up for the job? :-)

Perhaps we should have a vote?  There are probably a few people who
would like this title.
  

Nik Butler is doing a grand job of leading the group, so he gets my vote!

Regards,
Tony.

  
  
I've no problem with Nik leading the group, however perhaps there should 
be a more formal voting system so we don't actually leave anyone out? 
[dont know what or how]

Paul



  





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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Nik Butler]

> I've no problem with Nik leading the group, however perhaps there should 
>   
thank you  .
> be a more formal voting system so we don't actually leave anyone out? 
>   
Im open to this , I would have thought that we would need to set a term 
limit and id like to incorporate some elements of a basic organisation 
into the team but I didnt want to get into that sought of thing until at 
least after christmas where in we would have completed the task below 
and defined a few basic goals. [1]

So  can I ask just  one thing ?

Can we get the Approval Application reviewed and considered by as many 
people on this list as possible  ? ( Im asking on IRC as well ) We have 
until the 13th of November  to make sure its content is what we expect 
and that we have accredited experience and skills as appropriate. Jono 
is flying out tommorow and It would be great to enable him to have 
something local to consider as soon as he gets back online. Id really 
like to be able to get the approval in before the next issue of Linux 
User & developer gets to print.

So thank you for that .


Nik


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Paul Mellors]

Tony Arnold wrote:
> Pete,
> 
> Pete Ryland wrote:
>> On 03/11/06, Joseph Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Also is there anyone who has assumed the lead of ubuntu-uk?
>> Are you putting your hand up for the job? :-)
>>
>> Perhaps we should have a vote?  There are probably a few people who
>> would like this title.
> 
> Nik Butler is doing a grand job of leading the group, so he gets my vote!
> 
> Regards,
> Tony.

I've no problem with Nik leading the group, however perhaps there should 
be a more formal voting system so we don't actually leave anyone out? 
[dont know what or how]

Paul



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Alan Pope]

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 06:56:21PM +, Tony Arnold wrote:
> Nik,
> 
> Nicholas Butler wrote:
> 
> > My personal preferences are to use the Mailing list, however if a Forum 
> > exists I will make sure I drop in and keep an eye on it and let people 
> > know about the mailing list and the archvies and the thriving 
> > communication we have here as well as the IRC Channels.
> > 
> > Can I assume this has been the consensus of the group ?
> 
> Me preference is for the mailing list, but I support the creation of a
> forum too. If it can be integrated with the list, even better.
> 

Indeed. If there is no integration between forum and list then there *will* be 
fragmentation of 
the "membership". There will be conversations that happen on the forums which 
people on the 
mailing list never see and vice versa. There will likely be dilution of 
conversations as people 
won't reply in one medium because they've seen similar replies on the other. 

This isn't just my opinion, this is what I've seen happen for many groups who 
have run a mailing 
list and forum side by side. Many people who are familiar with one method stick 
with it, rightly 
or wrongly.

Those of us who are actually committed to doing good things for Ubuntu-UK will 
end up having to 
spend even more of our own time than we already do keeping up with threads in 
multiple 
locations. In my view this is sub-optimal.

Another non-FLOSS community I am a member of recently switched from mailing 
list to forums and 
instantly I was unable to devote any time to the communication as a result. 
Whilst they did in 
fact go some way to integrate the forums with the mailing list there was a 
fundamental flaw. 
They had multiple forums. Each forum had to be separately subscribed to in 
order to receive the 
posts as emails. When a new forum was created the mailing list members had no 
idea and went on 
in complete ignorance of conversations happening in forums they weren't in.

> I think we could spend months discussing this, so I suggest we get on,
> create the forum and then review it in 6 months time and see how it's going.
> 

I can see that there is a large contingent on the web for whom mailing lists 
are somehow scary 
and intimidating. And for that reason I can totally understand why they want a 
forum. What irks 
me more than anything is the assertion that somehow forums are better than 
mailing lists for 
those of us that are actually pretty handy with ssh and an email client.

I also fail to see what the remit of those forums would be. At the moment it 
seems to me that 
there is the assertion that a forum should be created "because we can" not 
because there is some 
burning need to do so.

What will the new forums mandate be? The same as this mailing list or something 
different?

Of course there's nothing I can say that can disuade anyone from creating these 
forums, I'm just 
voicing my concerns before the forums get established.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Tony Arnold]

Nik,

Nicholas Butler wrote:

> My personal preferences are to use the Mailing list, however if a Forum 
> exists I will make sure I drop in and keep an eye on it and let people 
> know about the mailing list and the archvies and the thriving 
> communication we have here as well as the IRC Channels.
> 
> Can I assume this has been the consensus of the group ?

Me preference is for the mailing list, but I support the creation of a
forum too. If it can be integrated with the list, even better.

I think we could spend months discussing this, so I suggest we get on,
create the forum and then review it in 6 months time and see how it's going.

Regards,
Tony.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Tony Arnold]

Pete,

Pete Ryland wrote:
> On 03/11/06, Joseph Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Also is there anyone who has assumed the lead of ubuntu-uk?
> 
> Are you putting your hand up for the job? :-)
> 
> Perhaps we should have a vote?  There are probably a few people who
> would like this title.

Nik Butler is doing a grand job of leading the group, so he gets my vote!

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Nik Butler]

Pete Ryland wrote:
> On 03/11/06, Joseph Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Also is there anyone who has assumed the lead of ubuntu-uk?
>> 
>
> Are you putting your hand up for the job? :-)
>
> Perhaps we should have a vote?  There are probably a few people who
> would like this title.
>
> Pete
>
>   
I had kinda of assumed that I was taking on the role since Id asked at 
the start and was taking on the responsiblity of trying to get the UK 
Team Approved ?
But hey if you want a vote Ive been seconded by AC .


Nik


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Pete Ryland]

On 03/11/06, Joseph Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also is there anyone who has assumed the lead of ubuntu-uk?

Are you putting your hand up for the job? :-)

Perhaps we should have a vote?  There are probably a few people who
would like this title.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Joseph Price]

I'm glad to see some positive feedback! :D

About the users of ubuntuforums.org, as of writing, there are 188,524
registered users,  442 members and 1888 guests online.
I'm sure adding a link in my signature would definitely draw quite a
bit of attention to it. How is the website coming along btw? Any news
on whether anything will be happening with it?

Re: mailing list integration.
I'm still waiting to hear from ubuntu-geek about the feasibility of
this. There is a LOT going on with ubuntuforums.org at the moment, the
UDS coming up is meaning a lot of new policies are being proposed to
govern our activities & a lot of discussion is taking up most of the
staff's time. Because of this i'm not expecting anything too soon.

I realise that there is no reason why I couldn't start-up the forums
myself without general consent as someone pointed out. However I would
much rather we all discussed the matter and came to a general
consensus.

Would it be possible to perhaps have a meeting in #ubuntu-uk sometime
this weekend for a real-time discussion about the possibility of
forums? How about something like 8pm Tomorrow? (4th Nov)

Also is there anyone who has assumed the lead of ubuntu-uk? I know of
many LoCo teams with leaders but not much about the structure of our
own :) I don't want to be stepping on any toes.

Thanks for reading, Pricey

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[paul]

> The traffic on the official forums is massive, and we are talking about
> a sub forum of that.
>
> Caroline

In that case i'll shut up ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[alan c]

Nicholas Butler wrote:
> Joseph,
> 
> Thanks for the offer and I can clearly see there is a very robust set of 
> positions regarding Forums usage. I know we had this conversation before 
> and felt at the time the Maillist suited the assemblage of current 
> Ubuntu UK Team members. However in the strictest sense of any community 
> project there is absolutely nothing stopping you or anyone simply 
> creating the forums and letting people know they are avialable to use. I 
> realise that people dont want to split the community but the community 
> is at its best when it self organises and to that end opportunities 
> cannot really be defined or restricted by technical demerits or 
> specifications. So   nothing stops the forums being created and we can 
> add them to the Wiki so people know they are there. If they are 
> succesful im sure they will thrive and I am sure it will widen to 
> audience of potential UK Members. It will be a shame though that as a 
> result of this that some efforts may become duplicated and some 
> communication will be missed.

Hopefully in the event there will be an elegant method of the one hand
knowing what the other hand is doing.

> My personal preferences are to use the Mailing list, however if a Forum 
> exists I will make sure I drop in and keep an eye on it and let people 
> know about the mailing list and the archvies and the thriving 
> communication we have here as well as the IRC Channels.

(me likewise)
I guess that some local areas and also expertise groups may have some
different preferences, and also some forums may be limited to the life
of certain projects maybe?

> Can I assume this has been the consensus of the group ?

ok with me, see how it goes

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Caroline Ford]

On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 12:44 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I fully support the creation of an Ubuntu -UK forum. It will increase
> > the people involved in Ubuntu-UK tenfold.
> >
> > Caroline
> 
> My experience with forums, is that you create them and no one uses  
> them, My LUG had one and no one liked the change from mailing list to  
> forums so it never got usedit may be different with ubuntu-uk  
> because of the size of the user basejust be prepared for no one  
> using it.i hope it won't happen if it gets done!

The traffic on the official forums is massive, and we are talking about
a sub forum of that.

Caroline


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Eamonn Sullivan]

On 11/3/06, Nicholas Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joseph,
>
> Thanks for the offer and I can clearly see there is a very robust set of
> positions regarding Forums usage. I know we had this conversation before
> and felt at the time the Maillist suited the assemblage of current
> Ubuntu UK Team members. However in the strictest sense of any community
> project there is absolutely nothing stopping you or anyone simply
> creating the forums and letting people know they are avialable to use. I
> realise that people dont want to split the community but the community
> is at its best when it self organises and to that end opportunities
> cannot really be defined or restricted by technical demerits or
> specifications. So   nothing stops the forums being created and we can
> add them to the Wiki so people know they are there. If they are
> succesful im sure they will thrive and I am sure it will widen to
> audience of potential UK Members. It will be a shame though that as a
> result of this that some efforts may become duplicated and some
> communication will be missed.
>
> My personal preferences are to use the Mailing list, however if a Forum
> exists I will make sure I drop in and keep an eye on it and let people
> know about the mailing list and the archvies and the thriving
> communication we have here as well as the IRC Channels.
>
> Can I assume this has been the consensus of the group ?
>
>
> And So say all of us ?[1]

It usually doesn't hurt to increase the options, so I could support
this, even if I'm unlikely ever to visit the forums. Isn't the phrase
"So say us all"?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[paul]

> I fully support the creation of an Ubuntu -UK forum. It will increase
> the people involved in Ubuntu-UK tenfold.
>
> Caroline

My experience with forums, is that you create them and no one uses  
them, My LUG had one and no one liked the change from mailing list to  
forums so it never got usedit may be different with ubuntu-uk  
because of the size of the user basejust be prepared for no one  
using it.i hope it won't happen if it gets done!


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Caroline Ford]

On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 12:15 +, Nicholas Butler wrote:

> My personal preferences are to use the Mailing list, however if a Forum 
> exists I will make sure I drop in and keep an eye on it and let people 
> know about the mailing list and the archvies and the thriving 
> communication we have here as well as the IRC Channels.
> 
> Can I assume this has been the consensus of the group ?
> 
> 
> And So say all of us ?[1]
> 
I fully support the creation of an Ubuntu -UK forum. It will increase
the people involved in Ubuntu-UK tenfold.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Nicholas Butler]

Joseph,

Thanks for the offer and I can clearly see there is a very robust set of 
positions regarding Forums usage. I know we had this conversation before 
and felt at the time the Maillist suited the assemblage of current 
Ubuntu UK Team members. However in the strictest sense of any community 
project there is absolutely nothing stopping you or anyone simply 
creating the forums and letting people know they are avialable to use. I 
realise that people dont want to split the community but the community 
is at its best when it self organises and to that end opportunities 
cannot really be defined or restricted by technical demerits or 
specifications. So   nothing stops the forums being created and we can 
add them to the Wiki so people know they are there. If they are 
succesful im sure they will thrive and I am sure it will widen to 
audience of potential UK Members. It will be a shame though that as a 
result of this that some efforts may become duplicated and some 
communication will be missed.

My personal preferences are to use the Mailing list, however if a Forum 
exists I will make sure I drop in and keep an eye on it and let people 
know about the mailing list and the archvies and the thriving 
communication we have here as well as the IRC Channels.

Can I assume this has been the consensus of the group ?


And So say all of us ?[1]



[1] Loving the current Battlestar Galactica.





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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Joseph Price]

Forums would NOT be a replacement for this mailing list.

Just look at ubuntuforums.org the ubuntu mailing lists, launchpad, wikis etc.

I'll contact ubuntu-geek and enquire about the possibility of
integration with the mailing list.

A big reason I'm wanting forums for the UK loco team is because it would
greatly increase the numbers in our loco team. I 'know' that a large
amount of people will be more likely to join a forum than a mailing
list.

On ubuntuforums.org we're hoping to trial an "ambassadors" system... a
select group of people regular to the forums and with experience with
both devs and the forums will be flagging threads, to be compiled into a
list of points that the forums userbase wish to present to the devs.

How about a similar idea here... I'm sure one or two users of the forums
could bring discussions that you guys on the mailing lists may find
interesting from the forum.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

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> I remember lots of discussion which just petered out about whether its a
> good idea.
> 
> This could be a very quick and easy way for us to get a forums going and
> see how it goes...

I think that a forum would be a good idea, but *only* if it was
completely integrated with this mailing list (in a similar way that the
ubuntu-users mailing list is). If the two were separate, it would
mean that ubuntu-uk contributors will have to follow two, rather than
one, sets of discussion, which is incredibly time consuming, without any
real advantages - don't forget support is already provided in English on
the main section of the Ubuntu Forums.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[alan c]

Alan Pope wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 08:34:04PM +, Andy wrote:
>> On 02/11/06, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > You can't choose which client you read the content in.
>> 
>> If we are defining the client as the web browser then you can choose
>> which browser you use.
>> 
> 
> Er, that makes absolutely no discernable difference to the content 
> whatsoever. Whether you view 
> uf.org in IE, FF, Safari, Mozilla or whatever, the content and the structure 
> of the content 
> isn't controlled by me, so my client just renders whatever it's given.
> 
> What I say "choose client" seriously think about how different each of these 
> are for viewing 
> mail:-
> 
> Console based email client such as mutt.
> Graphical email client such as evolution, thunderbird, kmail - with all the 
> desktop integration 
> and ease of use that entails
> Palm based mail client - for mobile viewing
> Mobile phone based client.
> 
> What I'm getting at is that the control is lost, you are forced to use a 
> browser, which one you 
> use matters not.

I much prefer an email list, and would not want to loose it. A  forum
is a useful in different ways. I look at my lists constantly as I do
email. I look at forums on certain occasions only.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Alan Pope]

On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 08:34:04PM +, Andy wrote:
> On 02/11/06, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You can't choose which client you read the content in.
> 
> If we are defining the client as the web browser then you can choose
> which browser you use.
> 

Er, that makes absolutely no discernable difference to the content whatsoever. 
Whether you view 
uf.org in IE, FF, Safari, Mozilla or whatever, the content and the structure of 
the content 
isn't controlled by me, so my client just renders whatever it's given.

What I say "choose client" seriously think about how different each of these 
are for viewing 
mail:-

Console based email client such as mutt.
Graphical email client such as evolution, thunderbird, kmail - with all the 
desktop integration 
and ease of use that entails
Palm based mail client - for mobile viewing
Mobile phone based client.

What I'm getting at is that the control is lost, you are forced to use a 
browser, which one you 
use matters not.

> 
> > You can't cache it offline easily.
> 
> can't wget spider a site? of course re downloading a page because some
> page view number changed.
> 

You're joking of course? Have you tried spidering a forum?

wgetting a bunch of pages is a) a tremendous waste of bandwidth, and b) 
impossible to tell what 
you've read and haven't read. It also means you still can't reply offline.

> It may be easier for longer term things to have a forum, I have kind
> of a lot of email here if I wanted something old. But as I use gmail I
> can search my mail.
> 

There you've illustrated another example. You use gmail to view lists. Gmail is 
good at that. 
Another option removed from you if you go for forums instead of mailing lists.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Andy]

On 02/11/06, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can't choose which client you read the content in.

If we are defining the client as the web browser then you can choose
which browser you use.


> You can't cache it offline easily.

can't wget spider a site? of course re downloading a page because some
page view number changed.

of course I would still like a malling list.

It may be easier for longer term things to have a forum, I have kind
of a lot of email here if I wanted something old. But as I use gmail I
can search my mail.

- Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Alan Pope]

On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 03:08:04PM +, Joseph Price wrote:
> In my opinion a forum IS a mailing list, with your browser being your
> email client.
> 

O no it isn't

You can't sort threads in forums.
You can't delete stuff you've read.
You can't choose which client you read the content in.
You can't display it in a convenient format for you.
You can't filter it.
You can't cache it offline easily.
You can't reply offline and post when you're connected again.
You can't get a digest version.
You can drop in and out of a mailing list easily, continuing to read where you 
left off.

> I think its a lot easier for it to be managed and sorted.

That's irrelavent from a user perspective.

Just my 2p.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Joseph Price]

By the way i forgot to mention that ubuntuforums.org ARE the official
ubuntu forums. We haven't been unofficial for a while :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Joseph Price]

The forums domain would be in the form: <>.ubuntuforums.org

ubuntuforums.org does have mailing list integration for ubuntu-users and
I could enquire about whether this could be a possibility for us?

vbulletin is proprietory... but it's what works best for us.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=176622 for more information.

I think we could get a much larger amount of users for ubuntu-uk with
some friendly forums. Most of you have always used mailing lists, you
can't see how intimidating they seem for new users.

In my opinion a forum IS a mailing list, with your browser being your
email client. I think its a lot easier for it to be managed and sorted.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Eamonn Sullivan]

On 11/2/06, Kenny Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eamonn,
>
> Im not sure that you've really missed anything. My mail did imply a decision
> had been made, which I don't think it has.

No, that's fine. Wasn't criticising, I was just honestly asking. I
jump in and out of the list when I have time and I remember some
heated discussion around this issue a while back. I thought I had
missed a conclusion.

>
> However I do think it is a good way for new users to use as a resource. I
> believe the list is good for people interested in getting involved in
> ubuntu-uk (im not suggesting the list should be exclusive). I believe new
> users would find it easier to use a forum to get assistance. Personally, I
> find searching forums easier than mailing lists. Also, users can attend the
> forums when they have a need for assistance and can search for an answer or
> post for help. This way they don't need to be subscribed to the mailing list
> getting daily mails when they actually don't want or need the content of
> these mails.

There is a definitely advantage to Web forums for people who don't
want or need to subscribe to an email list, plus it makes it a bit
easier to find solutions to common problems with a Google search. My
only hesitation is that I wouldn't want an already (relatively) small
community to be split further. The ubuntu-users list and the forums
are completely different communities, as far as I can tell, and I
wouldn't want the same thing to happen to ubuntu-uk.

-Eamonn

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Kenny Holden]

Eamonn,

Im not sure that you've really missed anything. My mail did imply a decision
had been made, which I don't think it has. 

However I do think it is a good way for new users to use as a resource. I
believe the list is good for people interested in getting involved in
ubuntu-uk (im not suggesting the list should be exclusive). I believe new
users would find it easier to use a forum to get assistance. Personally, I
find searching forums easier than mailing lists. Also, users can attend the
forums when they have a need for assistance and can search for an answer or
post for help. This way they don’t need to be subscribed to the mailing list
getting daily mails when they actually don't want or need the content of
these mails.

Thanks, Kenny 

Eamonn Sullivan wrote:
> I must have missed something: When was it decided that forums are a
> good idea? I don't have time to keep up with the mailing lists, let
> alone a forum. Will I not be able to lurk while keeping up with
> things, or will the mailing list continue as before?
> 
> I'm hoping the forums don't mean that all the youngsters will
> disappear, leaving us hairy-knuckled old timers to occupy the
> Internet's back alley. What about mirroring, as (I think) was used on
> ubuntu-users for a while?
> 
> -Eamonn
 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Eamonn Sullivan]

On 11/2/06, Kenny Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I think it would be great to have a ubuntu-uk forum, and I would also be
> happy to volunteer my services in forum moderation.
>
> I also agree with Daniel, regarding the use of a proprietry system being
> counter productive to the message we are spreading. However, whilst Ubuntu
> links to it as its primary function, I think we should follow-suit to
> maintain the consistency between ubuntu-uk and ubuntu.
> Possibly Jono could comment if this is an issue that has been raised before,
> and if there are any plans in the pipeline to migrate away from it. Either
> by linking to another forum site from ubuntu.com, moving the forums onto a
> ubuntu subdomain (such as forum.ubuntu.com/uk) or by the existing site owner
> migrating to a different forum system.
>
> I note that some of the other language forums offered from ubuntu.com are
> subdomains of ubuntu.org such as forum.ubuntu.org/cn (china) running phpbb.
> Whilst many others are on other domains. Clearly there is some community
> inconsistency with regard the forum locations and software.

I must have missed something: When was it decided that forums are a
good idea? I don't have time to keep up with the mailing lists, let
alone a forum. Will I not be able to lurk while keeping up with
things, or will the mailing list continue as before?

I'm hoping the forums don't mean that all the youngsters will
disappear, leaving us hairy-knuckled old timers to occupy the
Internet's back alley. What about mirroring, as (I think) was used on
ubuntu-users for a while?

-Eamonn

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[paul]

Quoting Kenny Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi All,
>
> I think it would be great to have a ubuntu-uk forum, and I would also be
> happy to volunteer my services in forum moderation.
>
>
I would like to offer my services tooI can also provide web  
hosting if needed...

Cheers
Paul



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Kenny Holden]

Hi All,

I think it would be great to have a ubuntu-uk forum, and I would also be
happy to volunteer my services in forum moderation.

I also agree with Daniel, regarding the use of a proprietry system being
counter productive to the message we are spreading. However, whilst Ubuntu
links to it as its primary function, I think we should follow-suit to
maintain the consistency between ubuntu-uk and ubuntu.
Possibly Jono could comment if this is an issue that has been raised before,
and if there are any plans in the pipeline to migrate away from it. Either
by linking to another forum site from ubuntu.com, moving the forums onto a
ubuntu subdomain (such as forum.ubuntu.com/uk) or by the existing site owner
migrating to a different forum system.

I note that some of the other language forums offered from ubuntu.com are
subdomains of ubuntu.org such as forum.ubuntu.org/cn (china) running phpbb.
Whilst many others are on other domains. Clearly there is some community
inconsistency with regard the forum locations and software.

Thanks, Kenny

Daniel Taylor wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> My biggest issue with the Ubuntu forums overall is this:
> 
> "vBulletin Version 3.6.2. ©2000 - 2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. "
> 
> vBulletin is a proprietary project and as such I tend to avoided the
> use
> of the Ubuntu forums on the basis that its not good advertising for the
> ideals behind Ubuntu if it uses proprietary software. I understand the
> forums are not 'official', but Ubuntu's official site does link to them
> and it does use the Ubuntu brand. I just think it's a bad image to
> have.
> 
> I do however personally prefer using forums over mailing lists and
> would
> welcome a forum that was linked into the mailing list (so both would
> exist in harmony). However it's not an idea I would support/use if
> proprietary software was used.
> 
> I Just find it difficult to rant and rave about how good FLOSS is
> whilst
>  there's a proprietary piece of software in plain view, especially
> since
> forums are generally higher trafficked than mailing lists (by mere
> mortals at least).
> 
> In terms of volunteering, I have a bit of experience in the moderation
> field and time permitting I should be able to help out if needs be.
> 
> 
> IMO.
> 
> - Daniel
> 
> Joseph Price wrote:
> > Hey there... i'm PriceChild, a moderator from ubuntuforums.org if you
> > know of me...
> >
> > I've just seen this annoucement:
> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290685
> >
> > I remember lots of discussion which just petered out about whether
> its a
> > good idea.
> >
> > This could be a very quick and easy way for us to get a forums going
> and
> > see how it goes...
> >
> > I'd be very happy to volounteer running them if people think its a
> good
> > idea and there's no-one better...
> >
> > Pricey
> >
 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[alan c]

Joseph Price wrote:
> Hey there... i'm PriceChild, a moderator from ubuntuforums.org if you
> know of me...
> 
> I've just seen this annoucement:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290685
> 
> I remember lots of discussion which just petered out about whether its a
> good idea.
> 
> This could be a very quick and easy way for us to get a forums going and
> see how it goes...
> 
> I'd be very happy to volounteer running them if people think its a good
> idea and there's no-one better...
> Pricey

Hi Pricey
I for one think it is a good idea. The UK Loco team itself is forming
up right now.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Daniel Taylor]

Hey,

My biggest issue with the Ubuntu forums overall is this:

"vBulletin Version 3.6.2. ©2000 - 2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. "

vBulletin is a proprietary project and as such I tend to avoided the use
of the Ubuntu forums on the basis that its not good advertising for the
ideals behind Ubuntu if it uses proprietary software. I understand the
forums are not 'official', but Ubuntu's official site does link to them
and it does use the Ubuntu brand. I just think it's a bad image to have.

I do however personally prefer using forums over mailing lists and would
welcome a forum that was linked into the mailing list (so both would
exist in harmony). However it's not an idea I would support/use if
proprietary software was used.

I Just find it difficult to rant and rave about how good FLOSS is whilst
 there's a proprietary piece of software in plain view, especially since
forums are generally higher trafficked than mailing lists (by mere
mortals at least).

In terms of volunteering, I have a bit of experience in the moderation
field and time permitting I should be able to help out if needs be.


IMO.

- Daniel

Joseph Price wrote:
> Hey there... i'm PriceChild, a moderator from ubuntuforums.org if you
> know of me...
> 
> I've just seen this annoucement:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290685
> 
> I remember lots of discussion which just petered out about whether its a
> good idea.
> 
> This could be a very quick and easy way for us to get a forums going and
> see how it goes...
> 
> I'd be very happy to volounteer running them if people think its a good
> idea and there's no-one better...
> 
> Pricey
> 


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