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Netters, does this Kipenji ever have any substantial argumented answer to any issues? The guy is really stupid - he keeps ducking issues. No reasoning capacity at all. Adam From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:24:37 +0100 (BST) Musaazi,if I enter into any serious discourse with you,the difference will not be noticed. You can continue to delude yourself in your coccoon of self importance etc etc,but given what the world is today,we need to use internationally acceptable definitions to give credence to our claims. You take it or leave it and continue with your jabberings. God save you from the ignorance that has engulfed you. Thank you. Kipenji. ___ emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ..Kipenji, i have just about had enough of your stupidity and ethonophobic outbursts...your prejudice and hatred of Baganda is of genocidal proportions...i would go as far as warn Baganda to keep away from this man (Kipenji)...these are poeple who, if they had the means and wherewithal, would eradicate Baganda from the face of this earth Rwanda style, and we sit and wonder how genocide occured in Rwanda. I wonder where Mr. Oracha is when Kipenji is unleashing his ethnic venom against Baganda...well they say silence is a sign of consent ..Kipenji, what exactly is your quarrell with Baganda...why this hatred of Bugunda and Baganda...have Baganda ever invaded your tribal area and killed your kingsmen as you northerners have done to us on several occasions..most of you have property and family in Buganda, have they ever been attacked and\or mistreated on account of being northerners. Even now that you guys are out of power and given the attrocities commited by your tribesmen against Baganda during OboteII, one would have expected retribution on a large scale from Baganda (as your Kingsmen did to Idi Amin's kingsmen and Baganda, during OboteII), but no, Baganda have not descended to such babaric levels. Anytime your kingsmen get into power, they immediately descend on Baganda and other southerners, killing our people, raping our women and destroying our property. To me that is the highest display of inferiority complex, even obote had to marry a Muganda in order to feel like a human being. This love/hate relationship is bourne out of the fact that you northerners hate and envy us but realize (unfortunately) that you can't do without us...and unfortunately that is a situation you guys have put yourselves into...it doesn't have to be that way, as Mr. Dada has been trying to drum into your thick skull. The more you write the more you expose the jealousy you have for Baganda (and southerners in general) eating deep into your soul...i'm sorry for you. If you think Baganda are "inferior" and not as sophisticated as we make out, the i suggest you join and support the federalists, that we you and your "more developed" tribesmen can live Buganda, and go to your area and be spared the "inferior" culture and habbits of Baganda. Your inferiority complex, and other petty grudges you have against Buganda will be better soothed if you had less contact with Baganda...don't you agree Mr. Kipenji and it is only federalism that can enable that. What amaizes me about these fellows is that in their hate mongering against Baganda, they forget (albeit conveniently) that it was because of Kabaka Mutebi's (and Buganda) support of Obote and his UPC, that Obote won Uganda's maiden elections and became Prime minister, Obote has never (and will never) won an election since, because he betrayed the trust of Buganda. Obote was the first to play the ethnic card in Ugandan politics and it has been down hill for UPC ever since...and listening to the likes of Kipeji and "Mulindwa" one clearly sees, that UPC has never learnt it's lesson and is therefore perpetually doomed to failure. Finally, to all you Baganda and southerners who think that Museveni is bad for Uganda, wait 'till the likes of Kipenji ever get into power in Uganda then you will know what bad really is...if you pay kin attention to their postings you get a sneak preview of what to expect if they ever got power in Uganda, that will be the day you will all pray for Museveni to come back. UPC has NOTHING to offer Uganda and Ugandans except pain, poverty and disunity, that has been their record and that will always be their record. >From: Owor Kipenji >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza >Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:09:12 +0100 (BST) > >It is amazing that so called developed and therefore sophisticated >people,the like of you and your purpoted cohorts still expect to be >spoon f
Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza
Ha, ha ! He has totally lost it. I ask him to tell us about his community and all he comes up with is Buganda, Buganda, Buganda. What is this obsession with Buganda ? If Buganda is undeveloped as you claim, all we wanted was for you to tell us how your area is doing in comparison. But even that is not forthcoming. I can only conclude that you have nothing "to show by way of progress in your area / community for the last umpteen years." This being so, I don't see any logic in your criticism of Buganda when your area is far worse off - you could spend your energy trying to improve it instead of wasting it in displaying your envy and inferiority complex. Incidentally, you are one of those who, when they hear the word federalism, do something in their pants. You get so scared that you will finally have to take the fate of your own area in your own hands instead of being spoonfed by the central government, that you don't even believe your community will survive under federalism. A pity really, for the federalists' proposals foresee help for such areas. Finally, you did not quote anything. All you did was make some allegations about what the Kabaka is supposed to have written. What this is, you didn't say. I therefore find it preposterous to be asked to come up 'with info to the contrary' when there is no information to be contradicted. As has been your habit of late, when it turned out that you don't know what you are talking about, you thought up some justification about not wanting to spoonfeed us ! The fact is that there is no such written information. What a joker ! Kasangwawo From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:09:12 +0100 (BST) It is amazing that so called developed and therefore sophisticated people,the like of you and your purpoted cohorts still expect to be spoon fed with knowledge. Are you not by inference just proving that you and your ilk are not only mundane but also anachronistic? Development can not be defined by parameters that are not robust and that cannot be verifiable in other settings. What Buganda had was only administrative structures that showed the strata into which the rulers could relate with the ordinary folks in their areas. This same arrangement existed in areas other than Buganda but had a different nomenclature which unfortunately for you with your Ntu syntax innebriation believes since you do not understand it then it could as well not exist. If you look at the parameters that are internationally used as a gauge of development,can you tell me what the Infant Mortality rate in Buganda is?,the Maternal mortality rate?,the life expectancy in Buganda ,the amount of disposal income available to these so called developed people and area you keep jabbering about just as a few examples?. If you realise that today unlike in the 1950s and 1960s Baganda are the highest consumers of Mwogo and all that they used to refer to as not food,do you still not feel ashamed to utter these nonsenses about being developed and sophisticated?. If you also recall that the establishment at the center of your purported development went on to urge their young girls and women to go sell their hardware in Europe and wherever inorder to bring income to them,does that pass for being developed and sophisticated? Any society that has no respect for women in their midst and uses them as entertainers aka Ebimansulo,needs to rethink definitions of what it calls development and sophistication. Have you ever heard of these litany of societal miscues anywhere from those areas you believe in your mind are not developed?. You are putting yourselves in coccoons of a past that has become a mirage and thus accepting to be used as political condoms and that is why today Mu7 is re-sterilizing you for further use in his quest for more time in Office since he knows very well how gullible you people can be when it comes to thinking you can re-invent a wheel.To live is to Change. From my opening statement,I am not going to spoon feed you on where Mutebbi said what I quoted because as developed and sophisticated people you need to exercise your intellect and take advantage of the super information highway and get the neccessary information to refute what you think is unpalatable to you. That in a nutshell will make you indeed sophisticated for they say,the taste of the pudding is in the Eating!. Thus to prove me wrong come up with info to the contrary rather than being passive receipients of knowledge unless your sophistication is only founded on being good Xeroxers of other peoples' ways and views. Thank you. Kipenji. _ jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Despit
Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza
Musaazi,if I enter into any serious discourse with you,the difference will not be noticed. You can continue to delude yourself in your coccoon of self importance etc etc,but given what the world is today,we need to use internationally acceptable definitions to give credence to our claims. You take it or leave it and continue with your jabberings. God save you from the ignorance that has engulfed you. Thank you. Kipenji. ___emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ..Kipenji, i have just about had enough of your stupidity and ethonophobic outbursts...your prejudice and hatred of Baganda is of genocidal proportions...i would go as far as warn Baganda to keep away from this man (Kipenji)...these are poeple who, if they had the means and wherewithal, would eradicate Baganda from the face of this earth Rwanda style, and we sit and wonder how genocide occured in Rwanda. I wonder where Mr. Oracha is when Kipenji is unleashing his ethnic venom against Baganda...well they say silence is a sign of consent..Kipenji, what exactly is your quarrell with Baganda...why this hatred of Bugunda and Baganda...have Baganda ever invaded your tribal area and killed your kingsmen as you northerners have done to us on several occasions..most of you have property and family in Buganda, have they ever been attacked and\or mistreated on account of being northerners. Even now that you guys are out of power and given the attrocities commited by your tribesmen against Baganda during OboteII, one would have expected retribution on a large scale from Baganda (as your Kingsmen did to Idi Amin's kingsmen and Baganda, during OboteII), but no, Baganda have not descended to such babaric levels. Anytime your kingsmen get into power, they immediately descend on Baganda and other southerners, killing our people, raping our women and destroying our property. To me that is the highest display of inferiority complex, even obote had to marry a Muganda in order to feel like a human being. This love/hate relationship is bourne out of the fact that you northerners hate and envy us but realize (unfortunately) that you can't do without us...and unfortunately that is a situation you guys have put yourselves into...it doesn't have to be that way, as Mr. Dada has been trying to drum into your thick skull. The more you write the more you expose the jealousy you have for Baganda (and southerners in general) eating deep into your soul...i'm sorry for you.If you think Baganda are "inferior" and not as sophisticated as we make out, the i suggest you join and support the federalists, that we you and your "more developed" tribesmen can live Buganda, and go to your area and be spared the "inferior" culture and habbits of Baganda. Your inferiority complex, and other petty grudges you have against Buganda will be better soothed if you had less contact with Baganda...don't you agree Mr. Kipenji and it is only federalism that can enable that.What amaizes me about these fellows is that in their hate mongering against Baganda, they forget (albeit conveniently) that it was because of Kabaka Mutebi's (and Buganda) support of Obote and his UPC, that Obote won Uganda's maiden elections and became Prime minister, Obote has never (and will never) won an election since, because he betrayed the trust of Buganda. Obote was the first to play the ethnic card in Ugandan politics and it has been down hill for UPC ever since...and listening to the likes of Kipeji and "Mulindwa" one clearly sees, that UPC has never learnt it's lesson and is therefore perpetually doomed to failure.Finally, to all you Baganda and southerners who think that Museveni is bad for Uganda, wait 'till the likes of Kipenji ever get into power in Uganda then you will know what bad really is...if you pay kin attention to their postings you get a sneak preview of what to expect if they ever got power in Uganda, that will be the day you will all pray for Museveni to come back. UPC has NOTHING to offer Uganda and Ugandans except pain, poverty and disunity, that has been their record and that will always be their record.>From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:09:12 +0100 (BST)>>It is amazing that so called developed and therefore sophisticated>people,the like of you and your purpoted cohorts still expect to be>spoon fed with knowledge.>Are you not by inference just proving that you and your ilk are not only >mundane but also anachronistic?>Development can not be defined by parameters that are not robust and>that cannot be verifiable in other settings.>What Buganda had was only administrative structures that showed the strata >into which the rulers could relate with the
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Kipenji, a few comments: 1 - what is "disposal" income? Did you incidentally mean to say disposable? 2 - You refer to administrative structures in Buganda - What did we in the North have. What Buganda had is the best that mankind has come up with and the racist colonialists were stunned by the development of administrative structures Buganda had, which were a carbon copy of their own system, despite the fact that there had been no previous interaction. I'm however not that surprised that this universally acknoledged fact about Buganda has escaped your little brain. 3 - Before you ask about the infant mortality rate and sundry in Buganda, it would only be fair for you state that statistic in our area in the North - thereafter there wont be much mileage in your pursuing this particular point, if you know what I mean. 4 - About Buganda's consumption of Muwogo, again it would be prudent first to state the dietary habits in our area, including the hunting activity and what we hunt, including the little birds and other creatures 5 - About Baganda girls and women "selling their merchandise in Europe and wherever", I challenge you to inform the netters where you can sell merchandise on the market if it is not saleable - in the same token I challenge to let us know if we northerners have a chance to compete in that market, which is by the way extremely competitive and only for those that can really compete in that market, since the customers are wealthy and chosy. You know as I do that the Baganda and their sophistication are a hard act to follow, as many of our girls would happily enter the market, instead of being raped by Kony and his commanders, if it weren't for the high qualities demanded of the trade. 6 - It is now evident to every right thinking netter that you in the habit of peddling unsubstantiated rumours, having failed to answer to extremely straight-forward questions from Mr Ssemakula about the source of your info. That's why it would have been extremely difficult for you to get a decent mark in any institution of higher learning and thus your complex of passing off as a knowledgeable person by reading dictionaries, including in languages you know absolutely nothing about. 7- You have displayed the highest degree of idiocy and uncovered your ignorance to the extent that there will be few doubters about that fact. Adam From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:09:12 +0100 (BST) It is amazing that so called developed and therefore sophisticated people,the like of you and your purpoted cohorts still expect to be spoon fed with knowledge. Are you not by inference just proving that you and your ilk are not only mundane but also anachronistic? Development can not be defined by parameters that are not robust and that cannot be verifiable in other settings. What Buganda had was only administrative structures that showed the strata into which the rulers could relate with the ordinary folks in their areas. This same arrangement existed in areas other than Buganda but had a different nomenclature which unfortunately for you with your Ntu syntax innebriation believes since you do not understand it then it could as well not exist. If you look at the parameters that are internationally used as a gauge of development,can you tell me what the Infant Mortality rate in Buganda is?,the Maternal mortality rate?,the life expectancy in Buganda ,the amount of disposal income available to these so called developed people and area you keep jabbering about just as a few examples?. If you realise that today unlike in the 1950s and 1960s Baganda are the highest consumers of Mwogo and all that they used to refer to as not food,do you still not feel ashamed to utter these nonsenses about being developed and sophisticated?. If you also recall that the establishment at the center of your purported development went on to urge their young girls and women to go sell their hardware in Europe and wherever inorder to bring income to them,does that pass for being developed and sophisticated? Any society that has no respect for women in their midst and uses them as entertainers aka Ebimansulo,needs to rethink definitions of what it calls development and sophistication. Have you ever heard of these litany of societal miscues anywhere from those areas you believe in your mind are not developed?. You are putting yourselves in coccoons of a past that has become a mirage and thus accepting to be used as political condoms and that is why today Mu7 is re-sterilizing you for further use in his quest for more time in Office since he knows very well how gullible you people can be when it comes to thinking you can re-invent a wheel.To live is to Change. From my opening statement,I am not going to spoon feed you on where M
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..Kipenji, i have just about had enough of your stupidity and ethonophobic outbursts...your prejudice and hatred of Baganda is of genocidal proportions...i would go as far as warn Baganda to keep away from this man (Kipenji)...these are poeple who, if they had the means and wherewithal, would eradicate Baganda from the face of this earth Rwanda style, and we sit and wonder how genocide occured in Rwanda. I wonder where Mr. Oracha is when Kipenji is unleashing his ethnic venom against Baganda...well they say silence is a sign of consent ..Kipenji, what exactly is your quarrell with Baganda...why this hatred of Bugunda and Baganda...have Baganda ever invaded your tribal area and killed your kingsmen as you northerners have done to us on several occasions..most of you have property and family in Buganda, have they ever been attacked and\or mistreated on account of being northerners. Even now that you guys are out of power and given the attrocities commited by your tribesmen against Baganda during OboteII, one would have expected retribution on a large scale from Baganda (as your Kingsmen did to Idi Amin's kingsmen and Baganda, during OboteII), but no, Baganda have not descended to such babaric levels. Anytime your kingsmen get into power, they immediately descend on Baganda and other southerners, killing our people, raping our women and destroying our property. To me that is the highest display of inferiority complex, even obote had to marry a Muganda in order to feel like a human being. This love/hate relationship is bourne out of the fact that you northerners hate and envy us but realize (unfortunately) that you can't do without us...and unfortunately that is a situation you guys have put yourselves into...it doesn't have to be that way, as Mr. Dada has been trying to drum into your thick skull. The more you write the more you expose the jealousy you have for Baganda (and southerners in general) eating deep into your soul...i'm sorry for you. If you think Baganda are "inferior" and not as sophisticated as we make out, the i suggest you join and support the federalists, that we you and your "more developed" tribesmen can live Buganda, and go to your area and be spared the "inferior" culture and habbits of Baganda. Your inferiority complex, and other petty grudges you have against Buganda will be better soothed if you had less contact with Baganda...don't you agree Mr. Kipenji and it is only federalism that can enable that. What amaizes me about these fellows is that in their hate mongering against Baganda, they forget (albeit conveniently) that it was because of Kabaka Mutebi's (and Buganda) support of Obote and his UPC, that Obote won Uganda's maiden elections and became Prime minister, Obote has never (and will never) won an election since, because he betrayed the trust of Buganda. Obote was the first to play the ethnic card in Ugandan politics and it has been down hill for UPC ever since...and listening to the likes of Kipeji and "Mulindwa" one clearly sees, that UPC has never learnt it's lesson and is therefore perpetually doomed to failure. Finally, to all you Baganda and southerners who think that Museveni is bad for Uganda, wait 'till the likes of Kipenji ever get into power in Uganda then you will know what bad really is...if you pay kin attention to their postings you get a sneak preview of what to expect if they ever got power in Uganda, that will be the day you will all pray for Museveni to come back. UPC has NOTHING to offer Uganda and Ugandans except pain, poverty and disunity, that has been their record and that will always be their record. From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:09:12 +0100 (BST) It is amazing that so called developed and therefore sophisticated people,the like of you and your purpoted cohorts still expect to be spoon fed with knowledge. Are you not by inference just proving that you and your ilk are not only mundane but also anachronistic? Development can not be defined by parameters that are not robust and that cannot be verifiable in other settings. What Buganda had was only administrative structures that showed the strata into which the rulers could relate with the ordinary folks in their areas. This same arrangement existed in areas other than Buganda but had a different nomenclature which unfortunately for you with your Ntu syntax innebriation believes since you do not understand it then it could as well not exist. If you look at the parameters that are internationally used as a gauge of development,can you tell me what the Infant Mortality rate in Buganda is?,the Maternal mortality rate?,the life expectancy in Buganda ,the amount of disposal income available to these so called deve
Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza
It is amazing that so called developed and therefore sophisticated people,the like of you and your purpoted cohorts still expect to be spoon fed with knowledge. Are you not by inference just proving that you and your ilk are not only mundane but also anachronistic? Development can not be defined by parameters that are not robust and that cannot be verifiable in other settings. What Buganda had was only administrative structures that showed the strata into which the rulers could relate with the ordinary folks in their areas. This same arrangement existed in areas other than Buganda but had a different nomenclature which unfortunately for you with your Ntu syntax innebriation believes since you do not understand it then it could as well not exist. If you look at the parameters that are internationally used as a gauge of development,can you tell me what the Infant Mortality rate in Buganda is?,the Maternal mortality rate?,the life expectancy in Buganda ,the amount of disposal income available to these so called developed people and area you keep jabbering about just as a few examples?. If you realise that today unlike in the 1950s and 1960s Baganda are the highest consumers of Mwogo and all that they used to refer to as not food,do you still not feel ashamed to utter these nonsenses about being developed and sophisticated?. If you also recall that the establishment at the center of your purported development went on to urge their young girls and women to go sell their hardware in Europe and wherever inorder to bring income to them,does that pass for being developed and sophisticated? Any society that has no respect for women in their midst and uses them as entertainers aka Ebimansulo,needs to rethink definitions of what it calls development and sophistication. Have you ever heard of these litany of societal miscues anywhere from those areas you believe in your mind are not developed?. You are putting yourselves in coccoons of a past that has become a mirage and thus accepting to be used as political condoms and that is why today Mu7 is re-sterilizing you for further use in his quest for more time in Office since he knows very well how gullible you people can be when it comes to thinking you can re-invent a wheel.To live is to Change.From my opening statement,I am not going to spoon feed you on where Mutebbi said what I quoted because as developed and sophisticated people you need to exercise your intellect and take advantage of the super information highway and get the neccessary information to refute what you think is unpalatable to you. That in a nutshell will make you indeed sophisticated for they say,the taste of the pudding is in the Eating!. Thus to prove me wrong come up with info to the contrary rather than being passive receipients of knowledge unless your sophistication is only founded on being good Xeroxers of other peoples' ways and views. Thank you. Kipenji. _jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Despite your denials, a keen observer cannot fail to notice the envy embedded in yourwritings.It seems you are turning this into a habit - I mean, the constant failure to answer questionsput to you. Can you please at last answer Mw. Ssemakula's question about what you have to show by way of progress in your area / community for the last umpteen years. And while you areat it, could you also answer my and Mw. Ssemakula's questions about your allegationsconcerning what Kabaka Mutebi is supposed to have written.Failing this, I would earnestly advise you to abstain from talking about things you have noteven an inkling about.Kasangwawo>From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:04:24 +0100 (BST)>>This message is actaully meant for the dustbin and I will>next time do exactly that.>In London or wherever you are yakking from,how is that helping you>develop Buganda?>You should henceforth stop being obtuse and do more meaningful>things.>Envy is something very foreign to me and hence your presumptions>are very misplaced.>Start thinking beyond the chronic mediocrity that appears to have engulfed >you and your ilk.>Ciao!.>Kipenji.>>>jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>Kipenji,>>your envy of Buganda is there for all to see and it knows no bounds. It has>taken you>so far that you even criticize traditions and mottos whose origin you have>no clue about.>If you spent half of the energy which you waste criticizing Buganda on>developing your region,>maybe there would be something to show for it. Oh, that reminds me. Why>don't you>answer Mw.
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Despite your denials, a keen observer cannot fail to notice the envy embedded in your writings. It seems you are turning this into a habit - I mean, the constant failure to answer questions put to you. Can you please at last answer Mw. Ssemakula's question about what you have to show by way of progress in your area / community for the last umpteen years. And while you are at it, could you also answer my and Mw. Ssemakula's questions about your allegations concerning what Kabaka Mutebi is supposed to have written. Failing this, I would earnestly advise you to abstain from talking about things you have not even an inkling about. Kasangwawo From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:04:24 +0100 (BST) This message is actaully meant for the dustbin and I will next time do exactly that. In London or wherever you are yakking from,how is that helping you develop Buganda? You should henceforth stop being obtuse and do more meaningful things. Envy is something very foreign to me and hence your presumptions are very misplaced. Start thinking beyond the chronic mediocrity that appears to have engulfed you and your ilk. Ciao!. Kipenji. jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kipenji, your envy of Buganda is there for all to see and it knows no bounds. It has taken you so far that you even criticize traditions and mottos whose origin you have no clue about. If you spent half of the energy which you waste criticizing Buganda on developing your region, maybe there would be something to show for it. Oh, that reminds me. Why don't you answer Mw. Ssemakula's question: - what do you have to show by way of progress in your area / community for the last umpteen years ? Kasangwawo >From: Owor Kipenji >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza >Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:19:09 +0100 (BST) > >Ssenyange,I would rather you keep your puerile talks about you and your >support for Mu7 to yourself. >In the same vein would one have to say that as long as you and Buganda want >to keep Mu7,then you can go ahead and get the Federo for Buganda that Mu7 >is peddling before you?. >Wise people learn from other peoples' mistakes but Fools always want >to learn through their own experiences which oftentimes turns to be very >expensive. >You think Mu7's killing fields that you support in the North will go on for >ever?.What about if he achieves what you want and still feels he needs to >kill and by that time only the Baganda like you are there for him to >kill,what will you say?.Will you stop him from killing you and your >paranoid ilk? >The Motto that might have been started and adopted for obscure reasons >breeds more true today than then. >Lastly I want you to take it from me,Kipenji,that I have nothing that I >have ever envied about Buganda let alone Baganda so your conclusions about >my opinions on this fora are very much misplaced. >Lets' wait and see. >Kipenji. >__ > >ssenya nyange wrote: > > >Mukooza, > >So long as UPC supporters continue their hatemonger against >Buganda, Mu7 will rule Uganda until he's deposed by the use of arms or >killed by bullets. Thats why he doesnt want to stop the war in the north so >that UPC can increase its sentiments against Buganda- devide more, rule for >ever. The result will be as you see on Ugandanet. Iam anti Museveni but >when >the Adhola, Mulindwa, Akanga, Kipenji etc continue the envious sentiments >against Buganda, I would rather give Mu7 a go ahead until a more credible >replacement ( free of UPC, NRM & Ganda sentiments ) is found. I have argued >UPC to initiate a Truth and Reconciliation commission similar to Suth >African but they refused, saying that they have unfinished business to >settle with Buganda. Well, Baganda say "Ekigy'omanyi kinyaga >bitono" >"Sekawuka kaali kakulumye..." " okwerinda...ssi butiitiizi" > >Ssenyange > >-- > > >From: Rehema Mukooza > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Museveni to talk to Mengo > >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:23:00 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Members: > > > >I don't believe that Museveni is going to "talk to Mengo". Ooh, please! > >How many times has he sworn to talk to Mengo?? The fact is that he has >not > >done so, and he says the opposite. Take a
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This message is actaully meant for the dustbin and I will next time do exactly that. In London or wherever you are yakking from,how is that helping you develop Buganda? You should henceforth stop being obtuse and do more meaningful things. Envy is something very foreign to me and hence your presumptions are very misplaced. Start thinking beyond the chronic mediocrity that appears to have engulfed you and your ilk. Ciao!. Kipenji. jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kipenji,your envy of Buganda is there for all to see and it knows no bounds. It has taken youso far that you even criticize traditions and mottos whose origin you have no clue about.If you spent half of the energy which you waste criticizing Buganda on developing your region,maybe there would be something to show for it. Oh, that reminds me. Why don't youanswer Mw. Ssemakula's question:- what do you have to show by way of progress in your area / community for the lastumpteen years ?Kasangwawo>From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:19:09 +0100 (BST)>>Ssenyange,I would rather you keep your puerile talks about you and your >support for Mu7 to yourself.>In the same vein would one have to say that as long as you and Buganda want >to keep Mu7,then you can go ahead and get the Federo for Buganda that Mu7 >is peddling before you?.>Wise people learn from other peoples' mistakes but Fools always want>to learn through their own experiences which oftentimes turns to be very>expensive.>You think Mu7's killing fields that you support in the North will go on for>ever?.What about if he achieves what you want and still feels he needs to >kill and by that time only the Baganda like you are there for him to >kill,what will you say?.Will you stop him from killing you and your >paranoid ilk?>The Motto that might have been started and adopted for obscure reasons >breeds more true today than then.>Lastly I want you to take it from me,Kipenji,that I have nothing that I >have ever envied about Buganda let alone Baganda so your conclusions about >my opinions on this fora are very much misplaced.>Lets' wait and see.>Kipenji.>__>>ssenya nyange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>>>Mukooza,>>So long as UPC supporters continue their hatemonger against>Buganda, Mu7 will rule Uganda until he's deposed by the use of arms or>killed by bullets. Thats why he doesnt want to stop the war in the north so>that UPC can increase its sentiments against Buganda- devide more, rule for>ever. The result will be as you see on Ugandanet. Iam anti Museveni but >when>the Adhola, Mulindwa, Akanga, Kipenji etc continue the envious sentiments>against Buganda, I would rather give Mu7 a go ahead until a more credible>replacement ( free of UPC, NRM & Ganda sentiments ) is found. I have argued>UPC to initiate a Truth and Reconciliation commission similar to Suth>African but they refused, saying that they have unfinished business to>settle with Buganda. Well, Baganda say "Ekigy'omanyi kinyaga >bitono">"Sekawuka kaali kakulumye..." " okwerinda...ssi butiitiizi">>Ssenyange>>-->> >From: Rehema Mukooza> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Museveni to talk to Mengo> >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:23:00 -0700 (PDT)> >> >Members:> >> >I don't believe that Museveni is going to "talk to Mengo". Ooh, please!> >How many times has he sworn to talk to Mengo?? The fact is that he has >not> >done so, and he says the opposite. Take a look into his recent Tororo> >speech when he blasted Mengo. Museveni talks his shit about talking to> >Mengo and the Kabaka when he is in Buganda. Basically to please folks!> >> >Zakoomu M.> >> >===> >> >Omar Kezimbira wrote:Museveni to talk to Mengo, New> >Vision, 21st April 2004> >> >> >By Alfred Wasike> >PRESIDENT Yoweri Museveni has said he is willing to discuss with the> >Buganda Kingdom officials at Mengo on how much powers they should hold >on.> >I am ready to discuss with my Mengo friends to determine how much> >authority they want to hold. I have no problem with discussion but the> >power must be shared rationally, Museveni said while commissioning the> >first phase of a sh
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Kipenji, your envy of Buganda is there for all to see and it knows no bounds. It has taken you so far that you even criticize traditions and mottos whose origin you have no clue about. If you spent half of the energy which you waste criticizing Buganda on developing your region, maybe there would be something to show for it. Oh, that reminds me. Why don't you answer Mw. Ssemakula's question: - what do you have to show by way of progress in your area / community for the last umpteen years ? Kasangwawo From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:19:09 +0100 (BST) Ssenyange,I would rather you keep your puerile talks about you and your support for Mu7 to yourself. In the same vein would one have to say that as long as you and Buganda want to keep Mu7,then you can go ahead and get the Federo for Buganda that Mu7 is peddling before you?. Wise people learn from other peoples' mistakes but Fools always want to learn through their own experiences which oftentimes turns to be very expensive. You think Mu7's killing fields that you support in the North will go on for ever?.What about if he achieves what you want and still feels he needs to kill and by that time only the Baganda like you are there for him to kill,what will you say?.Will you stop him from killing you and your paranoid ilk? The Motto that might have been started and adopted for obscure reasons breeds more true today than then. Lastly I want you to take it from me,Kipenji,that I have nothing that I have ever envied about Buganda let alone Baganda so your conclusions about my opinions on this fora are very much misplaced. Lets' wait and see. Kipenji. __ ssenya nyange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mukooza, So long as UPC supporters continue their hatemonger against Buganda, Mu7 will rule Uganda until he's deposed by the use of arms or killed by bullets. Thats why he doesnt want to stop the war in the north so that UPC can increase its sentiments against Buganda- devide more, rule for ever. The result will be as you see on Ugandanet. Iam anti Museveni but when the Adhola, Mulindwa, Akanga, Kipenji etc continue the envious sentiments against Buganda, I would rather give Mu7 a go ahead until a more credible replacement ( free of UPC, NRM & Ganda sentiments ) is found. I have argued UPC to initiate a Truth and Reconciliation commission similar to Suth African but they refused, saying that they have unfinished business to settle with Buganda. Well, Baganda say "Ekigy'omanyi kinyaga bitono" "Sekawuka kaali kakulumye..." " okwerinda...ssi butiitiizi" Ssenyange -- >From: Rehema Mukooza >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Museveni to talk to Mengo >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:23:00 -0700 (PDT) > >Members: > >I don't believe that Museveni is going to "talk to Mengo". Ooh, please! >How many times has he sworn to talk to Mengo?? The fact is that he has not >done so, and he says the opposite. Take a look into his recent Tororo >speech when he blasted Mengo. Museveni talks his shit about talking to >Mengo and the Kabaka when he is in Buganda. Basically to please folks! > >Zakoomu M. > >=== > >Omar Kezimbira wrote:Museveni to talk to Mengo, New >Vision, 21st April 2004 > > >By Alfred Wasike >PRESIDENT Yoweri Museveni has said he is willing to discuss with the >Buganda Kingdom officials at Mengo on how much powers they should hold on. >I am ready to discuss with my Mengo friends to determine how much >authority they want to hold. I have no problem with discussion but the >power must be shared rationally, Museveni said while commissioning the >first phase of a sh2.7b office complex at the Wakiso district headquarters >yesterday. > >Vice-President Prof Gilbert Bukenya and Minister for the Presidency, Alhaj >Ali Kirunda Kivejinja, were among the guests. >But I strongly object to all power being usurped from the people at the >villages, sub-counties and districts and going to regional tiers. Why >should I, a mwanainchi walk from Buwekula to Mengo or Parliament in Kampala >to have my problems solved? I have a son called Muhoozi. I cant usurp the >authority of running his house. I can only advise him, he said as >his supporters yelled, Museveni for 3rd term, No change while >displaying combined three-finger and thumbs-up signs. > >Museveni (right), said decentralisation had empowered Ugandans to determine >development in their areas. He at
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Ssenyange, You are right: the only way dictator Museveni can be deposed is thru military force, probably with a bullet thru is forehead! Yes! Just read the ICG detailed report, which is freely available on the internet (dont rely on the version that was edited by the Monitor). But, please, keep UPC out of this Mengo stuff! y >From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:25:03 -0400 > > > >Mukooza, > > So long as UPC supporters continue their hatemonger >against Buganda, Mu7 will rule Uganda until he's deposed by the use >of arms or killed by bullets. Thats why he doesnt want to stop the >war in the north so that UPC can increase its sentiments against >Buganda- devide more, rule for ever. The result will be as you see >on Ugandanet. Iam anti Museveni but when the Adhola, Mulindwa, >Akanga, Kipenji etc continue the envious sentiments against Buganda, >I would rather give Mu7 a go ahead until a more credible replacement >( free of UPC, NRM & Ganda sentiments ) is found. I have argued UPC >to initiate a Truth and Reconciliation commission similar to Suth >African but they refused, saying that they have unfinished business >to settle with Buganda. Well, Baganda say "Ekigy'omanyi >kinyaga bitono" "Sekawuka kaali kakulumye..." " okwerinda...ssi >butiitiizi" > >Ssenyange > >-- > >>From: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Museveni to talk to Mengo >>Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:23:00 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Members: >> >>I don't believe that Museveni is going to "talk to Mengo". Ooh, >>please! How many times has he sworn to talk to Mengo?? The fact >>is that he has not done so, and he says the opposite. Take a look >>into his recent Tororo speech when he blasted Mengo. Museveni >>talks his shit about talking to Mengo and the Kabaka when he is in >>Buganda. Basically to please folks! >> >>Zakoomu M. >> >>=== >> >>Omar Kezimbira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Museveni to talk to >>Mengo, New Vision, 21st April 2004 >> >> >>By Alfred Wasike >>PRESIDENT Yoweri Museveni has said he is willing to discuss with >>the Buganda Kingdom officials at Mengo on how much powers they >>should hold on. >>I am ready to discuss with my Mengo friends to determine how much >>authority they want to hold. I have no problem with discussion but >>the power must be shared rationally, Museveni said while >>commissioning the first phase of a sh2.7b office complex at the >>Wakiso district headquarters yesterday. >> >>Vice-President Prof Gilbert Bukenya and Minister for the >>Presidency, Alhaj Ali Kirunda Kivejinja, were among the guests. >>But I strongly object to all power being usurped from the people >>at the villages, sub-counties and districts and going to regional >>tiers. Why should I, a mwanainchi walk from Buwekula to Mengo or >>Parliament in Kampala to have my problems solved? I have a son >>called Muhoozi. I cant usurp the authority of running his house. I >>can only advise him, he said as >>his supporters yelled, Museveni for 3rd term, No change while >>displaying combined three-finger and thumbs-up signs. >> >>Museveni (right), said decentralisation had empowered Ugandans to >>determine development in their areas. He attacked exiled UPC leader >>Apolo Milton Obote for tricking the DP and other political actors >>of the 1960s and concentrating power at the centre and plunging the >>country into turbulence by abrogating the constitution in 1967. >> >>He was so greedy that he was even appointing gombolola chiefs. But >>when we went to the bush, we changed all that by restoring power to >>the people. But some people were against decentralisation, >>Museveni said, triggering massive cheers. >>He said the actual determinants of Ugandas destiny were ordinary >>people. >> >>It is wananchi who are the judges of Ugandas present and future. >>Those judges like Kanyeihamba can only judge cases of theft of >>goats. They cant manage the cases of politics. it is the voters >>who are supreme. It is not Kanyeihamba, or the MPs. It is the >>peo
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Ssenyange,I would rather you keep your puerile talks about you and your support for Mu7 to yourself. In the same vein would one have to say that as long as you and Buganda want to keep Mu7,then you can go ahead and get the Federo for Buganda that Mu7 is peddling before you?. Wise people learn from other peoples' mistakes but Fools always want to learn through their own experiences which oftentimes turns to be very expensive. You think Mu7's killing fields that you support in the North will go on for ever?.What about if he achieves what you want and still feels he needs to kill and by that time only the Baganda like you are there for him to kill,what will you say?.Will you stop him from killing you and your paranoid ilk? The Motto that might have been started and adopted for obscure reasons breeds more true today than then. Lastly I want you to take it from me,Kipenji,that I have nothing that I have ever envied about Buganda let alone Baganda so your conclusions about my opinions on this fora are very much misplaced. Lets' wait and see. Kipenji. __ssenya nyange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mukooza,So long as UPC supporters continue their hatemonger against Buganda, Mu7 will rule Uganda until he's deposed by the use of arms or killed by bullets. Thats why he doesnt want to stop the war in the north so that UPC can increase its sentiments against Buganda- devide more, rule for ever. The result will be as you see on Ugandanet. Iam anti Museveni but when the Adhola, Mulindwa, Akanga, Kipenji etc continue the envious sentiments against Buganda, I would rather give Mu7 a go ahead until a more credible replacement ( free of UPC, NRM & Ganda sentiments ) is found. I have argued UPC to initiate a Truth and Reconciliation commission similar to Suth African but they refused, saying that they have unfinished business to settle with Buganda. Well, Baganda say "Ekigy'omanyi kinyaga bitono" "Sekawuka kaali kakulumye..." " okwerinda...ssi butiitiizi"Ssenyange-->From: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Museveni to talk to Mengo>Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:23:00 -0700 (PDT)>>Members:>>I don't believe that Museveni is going to "talk to Mengo". Ooh, please! >How many times has he sworn to talk to Mengo?? The fact is that he has not >done so, and he says the opposite. Take a look into his recent Tororo >speech when he blasted Mengo. Museveni talks his shit about talking to >Mengo and the Kabaka when he is in Buganda. Basically to please folks!>>Zakoomu M.>>===>>Omar Kezimbira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Museveni to talk to Mengo, New >Vision, 21st April 2004>>>By Alfred Wasike>PRESIDENT Yoweri Museveni has said he is willing to discuss with the >Buganda Kingdom officials at Mengo on how much powers they should hold on.>I am ready to discuss with my Mengo friends to determine how much >authority they want to hold. I have no problem with discussion but the >power must be shared rationally, Museveni said while commissioning the >first phase of a sh2.7b office complex at the Wakiso district headquarters >yesterday.>>Vice-President Prof Gilbert Bukenya and Minister for the Presidency, Alhaj >Ali Kirunda Kivejinja, were among the guests.>But I strongly object to all power being usurped from the people at the >villages, sub-counties and districts and going to regional tiers. Why >should I, a mwanainchi walk from Buwekula to Mengo or Parliament in Kampala >to have my problems solved? I have a son called Muhoozi. I cant usurp the >authority of running his house. I can only advise him, he said as>his supporters yelled, Museveni for 3rd term, No change while >displaying combined three-finger and thumbs-up signs.>>Museveni (right), said decentralisation had empowered Ugandans to determine >development in their areas. He attacked exiled UPC leader Apolo Milton >Obote for tricking the DP and other political actors of the 1960s and >concentrating power at the centre and plunging the country into turbulence >by abrogating the constitution in 1967.>>He was so greedy that he was even appointing gombolola chiefs. But when we >went to the bush, we changed all that by restoring power to the people. But >some people were against decentralisation, Museveni said, triggering >massive cheers.>He said the actual determinants of Ugandas destiny were ordinary people.>>It is wananchi who are the judges of Ugandas present and future. Those >judges like Kanyeihamba can only judge cases of theft of goats. They cant >manage the cases of politics. it is the voters who are supreme. It is not >Kanyeihamba, or the MPs. It is the people who are the best judges because >they have the power.>>So when I hear certain people saying wanainchi dont have the power, I >really wo
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Mukooza, So long as UPC supporters continue their hatemonger against Buganda, Mu7 will rule Uganda until he's deposed by the use of arms or killed by bullets. Thats why he doesnt want to stop the war in the north so that UPC can increase its sentiments against Buganda- devide more, rule for ever. The result will be as you see on Ugandanet. Iam anti Museveni but when the Adhola, Mulindwa, Akanga, Kipenji etc continue the envious sentiments against Buganda, I would rather give Mu7 a go ahead until a more credible replacement ( free of UPC, NRM & Ganda sentiments ) is found. I have argued UPC to initiate a Truth and Reconciliation commission similar to Suth African but they refused, saying that they have unfinished business to settle with Buganda. Well, Baganda say "Ekigy'omanyi kinyaga bitono" "Sekawuka kaali kakulumye..." " okwerinda...ssi butiitiizi" Ssenyange -- From: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Museveni to talk to Mengo Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Members: I don't believe that Museveni is going to "talk to Mengo". Ooh, please! How many times has he sworn to talk to Mengo?? The fact is that he has not done so, and he says the opposite. Take a look into his recent Tororo speech when he blasted Mengo. Museveni talks his shit about talking to Mengo and the Kabaka when he is in Buganda. Basically to please folks! Zakoomu M. === Omar Kezimbira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Museveni to talk to Mengo, New Vision, 21st April 2004 By Alfred Wasike PRESIDENT Yoweri Museveni has said he is willing to discuss with the Buganda Kingdom officials at Mengo on how much powers they should hold on. I am ready to discuss with my Mengo friends to determine how much authority they want to hold. I have no problem with discussion but the power must be shared rationally, Museveni said while commissioning the first phase of a sh2.7b office complex at the Wakiso district headquarters yesterday. Vice-President Prof Gilbert Bukenya and Minister for the Presidency, Alhaj Ali Kirunda Kivejinja, were among the guests. But I strongly object to all power being usurped from the people at the villages, sub-counties and districts and going to regional tiers. Why should I, a mwanainchi walk from Buwekula to Mengo or Parliament in Kampala to have my problems solved? I have a son called Muhoozi. I cant usurp the authority of running his house. I can only advise him, he said as his supporters yelled, Museveni for 3rd term, No change while displaying combined three-finger and thumbs-up signs. Museveni (right), said decentralisation had empowered Ugandans to determine development in their areas. He attacked exiled UPC leader Apolo Milton Obote for tricking the DP and other political actors of the 1960s and concentrating power at the centre and plunging the country into turbulence by abrogating the constitution in 1967. He was so greedy that he was even appointing gombolola chiefs. But when we went to the bush, we changed all that by restoring power to the people. But some people were against decentralisation, Museveni said, triggering massive cheers. He said the actual determinants of Ugandas destiny were ordinary people. It is wananchi who are the judges of Ugandas present and future. Those judges like Kanyeihamba can only judge cases of theft of goats. They cant manage the cases of politics. it is the voters who are supreme. It is not Kanyeihamba, or the MPs. It is the people who are the best judges because they have the power. So when I hear certain people saying wanainchi dont have the power, I really wonder what is wrong with them. Those who want to dilute the peoples power should just shut up. Leaders are servants. They cant have the same status as their bosses, the people they lead. That is why we went into combat, he stressed. He said as a result of the Movements electoral success in the 1996 and 2001 polls, We have used that power entrusted to us to bring development from the centre to the people. In 1986, we used to collect sh5b in taxes. Now we collect sh1,600b and soon we shall collect sh1,800b. There are Government efforts, private sector-led by investors and encouragement of household incomes to eradicate poverty, Museveni said. Published on: Wednesday, 21st April, 2004 Email this article to a friend. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ _ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines --
