Musaazi,if I enter into any serious discourse with you,the difference
will not be noticed.
You can continue to delude yourself in your coccoon of self importance
etc etc,but given what the world is today,we need to use internationally
acceptable definitions to give credence to our claims.
You take it or leave it and continue with your jabberings.
God save you from the ignorance that has engulfed you.
Thank you.
Kipenji.
_______________________________________________________________________
emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
..Kipenji, i have just about had enough of your stupidity and ethonophobic
outbursts...your prejudice and hatred of Baganda is of genocidal
proportions...i would go as far as warn Baganda to keep away from this man
(Kipenji)...these are poeple who, if they had the means and wherewithal,
would eradicate Baganda from the face of this earth Rwanda style, and we sit
and wonder how genocide occured in Rwanda. I wonder where Mr. Oracha is when
Kipenji is unleashing his ethnic venom against Baganda...well they say
silence is a sign of consent
..Kipenji, what exactly is your quarrell with Baganda...why this hatred of
Bugunda and Baganda...have Baganda ever invaded your tribal area and killed
your kingsmen as you northerners have done to us on several occasions..most
of you have property and family in Buganda, have they ever been attacked
and\or mistreated on account of being northerners. Even now that you guys
are out of power and given the attrocities commited by your tribesmen
against Baganda during OboteII, one would have expected retribution on a
large scale from Baganda (as your Kingsmen did to Idi Amin's kingsmen and
Baganda, during OboteII), but no, Baganda have not descended to such babaric
levels. Anytime your kingsmen get into power, they immediately descend on
Baganda and other southerners, killing our people, raping our women and
destroying our property. To me that is the highest display of inferiority
complex, even obote had to marry a Muganda in order to feel like a human
being. This love/hate relationship is bourne out of the fact that you
northerners hate and envy us but realize (unfortunately) that you can't do
without us...and unfortunately that is a situation you guys have put
yourselves into...it doesn't have to be that way, as Mr. Dada has been
trying to drum into your thick skull. The more you write the more you expose
the jealousy you have for Baganda (and southerners in general) eating deep
into your soul...i'm sorry for you.
If you think Baganda are "inferior" and not as sophisticated as we make out,
the i suggest you join and support the federalists, that we you and your
"more developed" tribesmen can live Buganda, and go to your area and be
spared the "inferior" culture and habbits of Baganda. Your inferiority
complex, and other petty grudges you have against Buganda will be better
soothed if you had less contact with Baganda...don't you agree Mr. Kipenji
and it is only federalism that can enable that.
What amaizes me about these fellows is that in their hate mongering against
Baganda, they forget (albeit conveniently) that it was because of Kabaka
Mutebi's (and Buganda) support of Obote and his UPC, that Obote won Uganda's
maiden elections and became Prime minister, Obote has never (and will never)
won an election since, because he betrayed the trust of Buganda. Obote was
the first to play the ethnic card in Ugandan politics and it has been down
hill for UPC ever since...and listening to the likes of Kipeji and
"Mulindwa" one clearly sees, that UPC has never learnt it's lesson and is
therefore perpetually doomed to failure.
Finally, to all you Baganda and southerners who think that Museveni is bad
for Uganda, wait 'till the likes of Kipenji ever get into power in Uganda
then you will know what bad really is...if you pay kin attention to their
postings you get a sneak preview of what to expect if they ever got power in
Uganda, that will be the day you will all pray for Museveni to come back.
UPC has NOTHING to offer Uganda and Ugandans except pain, poverty and
disunity, that has been their record and that will always be their record.
>From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza
>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:09:12 +0100 (BST)
>
>It is amazing that so called developed and therefore sophisticated
>people,the like of you and your purpoted cohorts still expect to be
>spoon fed with knowledge.
>Are you not by inference just proving that you and your ilk are not only
>mundane but also anachronistic?
>Development can not be defined by parameters that are not robust and
>that cannot be verifiable in other settings.
>What Buganda had was only administrative structures that showed the strata
>into which the rulers could relate with the ordinary folks in their areas.
>This same arrangement existed in areas other than Buganda but had a
>different nomenclature which unfortunately for you with your Ntu syntax
>innebriation believes since you do not understand it then it could as well
>not exist.
>If you look at the parameters that are internationally used as a gauge of
>development,can you tell me what the Infant Mortality rate in Buganda
>is?,the Maternal mortality rate?,the life expectancy in Buganda ,the amount
>of disposal income available to these so called developed people
>and area you keep jabbering about just as a few examples?.
>If you realise that today unlike in the 1950s and 1960s Baganda are the
>highest consumers of Mwogo and all that they used to refer to as not
>food,do you still not feel ashamed to utter these nonsenses about being
>developed and sophisticated?.
>If you also recall that the establishment at the center of your purported
>development went on to urge their young girls and women to go sell their
>hardware in Europe and wherever inorder to bring income to them,does that
>pass for being developed and sophisticated?
>Any society that has no respect for women in their midst and uses them
>as entertainers aka Ebimansulo,needs to rethink definitions of what it
>calls development and sophistication.
>Have you ever heard of these litany of societal miscues anywhere from those
>areas you believe in your mind are not developed?.
>You are putting yourselves in coccoons of a past that has become a mirage
>and thus accepting to be used as political condoms and that is why today
>Mu7 is re-sterilizing you for further use in his quest for more time in
>Office since he knows very well how gullible you people can be when it
>comes to thinking you can re-invent a wheel.To live is to Change.
>From my opening statement,I am not going to spoon feed you on where
>Mutebbi said what I quoted because as developed and sophisticated people
>you need to exercise your intellect and take advantage of the super
>information highway and get the neccessary information to refute
>what you think is unpalatable to you.
>That in a nutshell will make you indeed sophisticated for they say,the
>taste of the pudding is in the Eating!.
>Thus to prove me wrong come up with info to the contrary rather than being
>passive receipients of knowledge unless your sophistication is only founded
>on being good Xeroxers of other peoples' ways and views.
>Thank you.
>Kipenji.
>_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>Despite your denials, a keen observer cannot fail to notice the envy
>embedded in your
>writings.
>
>It seems you are turning this into a habit - I mean, the constant failure
>to
>answer questions
>put to you. Can you please at last answer Mw. Ssemakula's question about
>what you have to show by way of progress in your area / community for the
>last umpteen years. And while you are
>at it, could you also answer my and Mw. Ssemakula's questions about your
>allegations
>concerning what Kabaka Mutebi is supposed to have written.
>
>Failing this, I would earnestly advise you to abstain from talking about
>things you have not
>even an inkling about.
>
>Kasangwawo
>
>
> >From: Owor Kipenji
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza
> >Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:04:24 +0100 (BST)
> >
> >This message is actaully meant for the dustbin and I will
> >next time do exactly that.
> >In London or wherever you are yakking from,how is that helping you
> >develop Buganda?
> >You should henceforth stop being obtuse and do more meaningful
> >things.
> >Envy is something very foreign to me and hence your presumptions
> >are very misplaced.
> >Start thinking beyond the chronic mediocrity that appears to have
>engulfed
> >you and your ilk.
> >Ciao!.
> >Kipenji.
> >____________________________________________________________________----------------
> >
> >jonah kasangwawo wrote:
> >Kipenji,
> >
> >your envy of Buganda is there for all to see and it knows no bounds. It
>has
> >taken you
> >so far that you even criticize traditions and mottos whose origin you
>have
> >no clue about.
> >If you spent half of the energy which you waste criticizing Buganda on
> >developing your region,
> >maybe there would be something to show for it. Oh, that reminds me. Why
> >don't you
> >answer Mw. Ssemakula's question:
> >
> >- what do you have to show by way of progress in your area / community
>for
> >the last
> >umpteen years ?
> >
> >Kasangwawo
> >
> > >From: Owor Kipenji
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza
> > >Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:19:09 +0100 (BST)
> > >
> > >Ssenyange,I would rather you keep your puerile talks about you and your
> > >support for Mu7 to yourself.
> > >In the same vein would one have to say that as long as you and Buganda
> >want
> > >to keep Mu7,then you can go ahead and get the Federo for Buganda that
>Mu7
> > >is peddling before you?.
> > >Wise people learn from other peoples' mistakes but Fools always want
> > >to learn through their own experiences which oftentimes turns to be
>very
> > >expensive.
> > >You think Mu7's killing fields that you support in the North will go on
> >for
> > >ever?.What about if he achieves what you want and still feels he needs
>to
> > >kill and by that time only the Baganda like you are there for him to
> > >kill,what will you say?.Will you stop him from killing you and your
> > >paranoid ilk?
> > >The Motto that might have been started and adopted for obscure reasons
> > >breeds more true today than then.
> > >Lastly I want you to take it from me,Kipenji,that I have nothing that I
> > >have ever envied about Buganda let alone Baganda so your conclusions
> >about
> > >my opinions on this fora are very much misplaced.
> > >Lets' wait and see.
> > >Kipenji.
> > >__________________________________________________________________
> > >
> > >ssenya nyange wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Mukooza,
> > >
> > >So long as UPC supporters continue their hatemonger against
> > >Buganda, Mu7 will rule Uganda until he's deposed by the use of arms or
> > >killed by bullets. Thats why he doesnt want to stop the war in the
>north
> >so
> > >that UPC can increase its sentiments against Buganda- devide more, rule
> >for
> > >ever. The result will be as you see on Ugandanet. Iam anti Museveni but
> > >when
> > >the Adhola, Mulindwa, Akanga, Kipenji etc continue the envious
>sentiments
> > >against Buganda, I would rather give Mu7 a go ahead until a more
>credible
> > >replacement ( free of UPC, NRM & Ganda sentiments ) is found. I have
> >argued
> > >UPC to initiate a Truth and Reconciliation commission similar to Suth
> > >African but they refused, saying that they have unfinished business to
> > >settle with Buganda. Well, Baganda say "Ekigy'omanyi........ kinyaga
> > >bitono"
> > >"Sekawuka kaali kakulumye......." " okwerinda...ssi butiitiizi"
> > >
> > >Ssenyange
> > >
> > >--------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > >From: Rehema Mukooza
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Museveni to talk to Mengo
> > > >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:23:00 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >Members:
> > > >
> > > >I don't believe that Museveni is going to "talk to Mengo". Ooh,
>please!
> > > >How many times has he sworn to talk to Mengo?? The fact is that he
>has
> > >not
> > > >done so, and he says the opposite. Take a look into his recent Tororo
> > > >speech when he blasted Mengo. Museveni talks his shit about talking
>to
> > > >Mengo and the Kabaka when he is in Buganda. Basically to please
>folks!
> > > >
> > > >Zakoomu M.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >===========================================================================
> > > >
> > > >Omar Kezimbira wrote:Museveni to talk to Mengo, New
> > > >Vision, 21st April 2004
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >By Alfred Wasike
> > > >PRESIDENT Yoweri Museveni has said he is willing to discuss with the
> > > >Buganda Kingdom officials at Mengo on how much powers they should
>hold
> > >on.
> > > >“I am ready to discuss with my Mengo friends to determine how much
> > > >authority they want to hold. I have no problem with discussion but
>the
> > > >power must be shared rationally,” Museveni said while commissioning
>the
> > > >first phase of a sh2.7b office complex at the Wakiso district
> > >headquarters
> > > >yesterday.
> > > >
> > > >Vice-President Prof Gilbert Bukenya and Minister for the Presidency,
> > >Alhaj
> > > >Ali Kirunda Kivejinja, were among the guests.
> > > >“But I strongly object to all power being usurped from the people at
> >the
> > > >villages, sub-counties and districts and going to regional tiers. Why
> > > >should I, a mwanainchi walk from Buwekula to Mengo or Parliament in
> > >Kampala
> > > >to have my problems solved? I have a son called Muhoozi. I can’t
>usurp
> > >the
> > > >authority of running his house. I can only advise him,” he said as
> > > >his supporters yelled, “ Museveni for 3rd term”, “No change” while
> > > >displaying combined three-finger and thumbs-up signs.
> > > >
> > > >Museveni (right), said decentralisation had empowered Ugandans to
> > >determine
> > > >development in their areas. He attacked exiled UPC leader Apolo
>Milton
> > > >Obote for tricking the DP and other political actors of the 1960s and
> > > >concentrating power at the centre and plunging the country into
> > >turbulence
> > > >by abrogating the constitution in 1967.
> > > >
> > > >“He was so greedy that he was even appointing gombolola chiefs. But
> >when
> > >we
> > > >went to the bush, we changed all that by restoring power to the
>people.
> > >But
> > > >some people were against decentralisation,” Museveni said, triggering
> > > >massive cheers.
> > > >He said the actual determinants of Uganda’s destiny were ordinary
> >people.
> > > >
> > > >“It is wananchi who are the judges of Uganda’s present and future.
> >Those
> > > >judges like Kanyeihamba can only judge cases of theft of goats. They
> > >can’t
> > > >manage the cases of politics. it is the voters who are supreme. It is
> >not
> > > >Kanyeihamba, or the MPs. It is the people who are the best judges
> >because
> > > >they have the power.
> > > >
> > > >“So when I hear certain people saying wanainchi don’t have the power,
>I
> > > >really wonder what is wrong with them. Those who want to dilute the
> > > >people’s power should just shut up. Leaders are servants. They can’t
> >have
> > > >the same status as their bosses, the people they lead. That is why we
> > >went
> > > >into combat,” he stressed.
> > > >He said as a result of the Movement’s electoral success in the 1996
>and
> > > >2001 polls, “We have used that power entrusted to us to bring
> >development
> > > >from the centre to the people.
> > > >
> > > >In 1986, we used to collect sh5b in taxes. Now we collect sh1,600b
>and
> > >soon
> > > >we shall collect sh1,800b. There are Government efforts, private
> > >sector-led
> > > >by investors and encouragement of household incomes to eradicate
> > >poverty,”
> > > >Museveni said.
> > > >
> > > >Published on: Wednesday, 21st April, 2004
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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