Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR
more: http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/article/map-shows-race-division-philadelphia Map shows race division in Philadelphia New map detailing racial breakdown shows de facto segregation, even in University City Monday, October 4, 2010 by MK Kleva excerpt: While the Civil Rights Act abolished segregation 46 years ago, a new map of Philadelphia serves as a reminder that racial separation still exists around the city, even near Penn’s campus. The map, created by Eric Fischer on photo-sharing site Flickr.com, uses Census 2000 data to demonstrate the racial makeup of the city. The map shows most neighborhoods are dominated by a single racial group. ... Rory Kramer, a sixth-year sociology doctoral student, researches segregation patterns in Philadelphia. “Penn has successfully gentrified westward,” he said, with more white and fewer black individuals living in the area. He said that while more white people now live around Penn, it is not necessarily indicative of integration. For the newcomers, it is a pleasant place to live because there are more stores and activities for them, he said. However, for the small number of black West Philadelphians still living near Penn, friends and neighbors have moved away along with their businesses and neighborhood dynamic. Charles attributed some of this change to the University encouraging faculty and staff to live closer to campus in University City and Spruce Hill. Nevertheless, she said diversity in University City is minimal in relation to the predominantly black population in West Philadelphia. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: thanks, darco Lalevic, Darco wrote: Sure, as Glenn points out, numerous attempts to paint the neighborhood as a wild, out of control neighborhood that UCD and associated entities have now made safe. I disagree with UCD taking on an enforcement roll of any kind. I disagree with the entire Clark Park revitalization plan. I think it's wasteful at the least, and at worse, part of an effort to clean up the park to make it more appealing to the gentrification of the neighborhood and push certain people out. The structure of the UCD is designed to advocate for the corporate entities (and while, yes, it's their money mostly, the net effect is the general public is left out of decisions). -Original Message- From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On Behalf Of UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:07 AM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR Lalevic, Darco wrote: I too am often offended by the bias and misinformation that is often propagated as marketing for University City. can you cite examples of this? Sure, I disagree with UCD and FOCP on many issues, examples? The fact is, by not engaging the argument in a logical, academic way, you've pushed the relevance of your argument to the wayside. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Tony, That's wonderful to hear - and I would assume the end result is a better park that gets more use. I disagree more so with the immense public expenditure on a park that I, at least, view as pretty darn nice, considering the state of most of this city. But yes, you are correct, if the money is going to get spent anyway, it's up to the neighborhood to get what it can. And no, the neighborhood shouldn't avoid solely out of fear of gentrification, but should be aware that there are people out there (in general) who intentionally or not push for changes. Darco -Original Message- From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On Behalf Of Anthony West Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 3:21 PM To: UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR A half-hour ago, on a cool, gray fall afternoon, I observed 15 inner-city kids playing on the new basketball court, 12 kids playing on the new older-kids playground, 6 kids playing on the new totlot -- all fruits of the Clark Park Revitalization Plan. Different people hold different priorities, but in general, I don't think it's wasteful to direct a little public investment toward inner-city kids every 40 years or so. I never ask strange children if they are gentry or not, but I also saw no evidence today that certain people have, in fact, been pushed out of the park, just because it's been improved. My friends in the Woodland Avenue Reunion like the way the park has been upgraded. A better park attracts people from all over West Philadelphia, every day. Completely ungentrified West Philadelphia neighborhoods, like those around Clara Muhammad Park and Carroll Park, have also lobbied successfully for public investments in these public spaces in recent years. Should our neighborhood avoid doing likewise, solely out of fear of committing gentrification? -- Tony West Lalevic, Darco wrote: I disagree with the entire Clark Park revitalization plan. I think it's wasteful at the least, and at worse, part of an effort to clean up the park to make it more appealing to the gentrification of the neighborhood and push certain people out. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR
thanks, darco Lalevic, Darco wrote: Sure, as Glenn points out, numerous attempts to paint the neighborhood as a wild, out of control neighborhood that UCD and associated entities have now made safe. I disagree with UCD taking on an enforcement roll of any kind. I disagree with the entire Clark Park revitalization plan. I think it's wasteful at the least, and at worse, part of an effort to clean up the park to make it more appealing to the gentrification of the neighborhood and push certain people out. The structure of the UCD is designed to advocate for the corporate entities (and while, yes, it's their money mostly, the net effect is the general public is left out of decisions). -Original Message- From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On Behalf Of UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:07 AM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR Lalevic, Darco wrote: I too am often offended by the bias and misinformation that is often propagated as marketing for University City. can you cite examples of this? Sure, I disagree with UCD and FOCP on many issues, examples? The fact is, by not engaging the argument in a logical, academic way, you've pushed the relevance of your argument to the wayside. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR
A half-hour ago, on a cool, gray fall afternoon, I observed 15 inner-city kids playing on the new basketball court, 12 kids playing on the new older-kids playground, 6 kids playing on the new totlot -- all fruits of the Clark Park Revitalization Plan. Different people hold different priorities, but in general, I don't think it's wasteful to direct a little public investment toward inner-city kids every 40 years or so. I never ask strange children if they are gentry or not, but I also saw no evidence today that certain people have, in fact, been pushed out of the park, just because it's been improved. My friends in the Woodland Avenue Reunion like the way the park has been upgraded. A better park attracts people from all over West Philadelphia, every day. Completely ungentrified West Philadelphia neighborhoods, like those around Clara Muhammad Park and Carroll Park, have also lobbied successfully for public investments in these public spaces in recent years. Should our neighborhood avoid doing likewise, solely out of fear of committing gentrification? -- Tony West Lalevic, Darco wrote: I disagree with the entire Clark Park revitalization plan. I think it's wasteful at the least, and at worse, part of an effort to clean up the park to make it more appealing to the gentrification of the neighborhood and push certain people out. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR
Lalevic, Darco wrote: I too am often offended by the bias and misinformation that is often propagated as marketing for “University City”. can you cite examples of this? Sure, I disagree with UCD and FOCP on many issues, examples? The fact is, by not engaging the argument in a logical, academic way, you’ve pushed the relevance of your argument to the wayside. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR - and your rights are?
Craig, You will get a good deal of pleasure from this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmByfTKKUV4NR=1feature=fvwp On 9/24/2010 5:34 PM, craigso...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/24/2010 12:37:39 Eastern Daylight Time, glen...@earthlink.net writes: ... speak up against ...the forces ... and strip them of their rights In the end you know what we do with guys like you, who know their rights, and refuse to accept they're wrongs? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-z44dVBU64 Is that a John Deere parked in the rear of your Baltimore Ave gentleman's ranchette? Ciao, Craig No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3156 - Release Date: 09/24/10 02:34:00
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Does comparison to the Holocaust invoke Godwin's Law, and if so, does that mean that Glenn is forever barred from writing further messages on this topic? Kathleen On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:47 PM, craigso...@aol.com wrote: “They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. And then we came for Glenn, and everyone cheered up. Ciao, Craig *From:* owner-univc...@list.purple.com [ mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com owner-univc...@list.purple.com?] *On Behalf Of *Glenn *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:18 AM *To:* UnivCity@list.purple.com *Subject:* [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR Citizens, Here is the UC Review coverage of the Clark park closure. Like always, the local residents are supposed to feel stupid while they are wondering how they missed “nearly five years of planning and nearly countless public meetings geared toward receiving community feedback on revitalizing Park A… (UC Review) http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=defaultsmenu=1mad=no snip Today, it is the park users whose culture and rights are being destroyed. I copied this from the Holocaust memorial in downtown Boston for the silent ones to consider: “They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up.” Pastor Martin Neimoller =
Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR
No, but according to Wikipedia, it means that Glenn has lost and the discussion is now over. -cm On Sep 24, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Kathleen Turner wrote: Does comparison to the Holocaust invoke Godwin's Law, and if so, does that mean that Glenn is forever barred from writing further messages on this topic? Kathleen On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:47 PM, craigso...@aol.com wrote: “They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. And then we came for Glenn, and everyone cheered up. Ciao, Craig From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com ] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:18 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR Citizens, Here is the UC Review coverage of the Clark park closure. Like always, the local residents are supposed to feel stupid while they are wondering how they missed “nearly five years of planning and nearly countless public meetings geared toward receiving community feedback on revitalizing Park A… (UC Review) http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=defaultsmenu=1mad=no snip Today, it is the park users whose culture and rights are being destroyed. I copied this from the Holocaust memorial in downtown Boston for the silent ones to consider: “They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up.” Pastor Martin Neimoller =
Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR
but then soon after glenn invoked chaucer, and Right so as bees out swarmen from an hyve, Out of the develes ers ther gonne dryve Twenty thousand freres on a route, And thurghout helle swarmed al aboute, And comen agayn as faste as they may gon, And in his ers they crepten everychon. He clapte his tayl agayn and lay ful stille. :-) Cindy Miller wrote: No, but according to Wikipedia, it means that Glenn has lost and the discussion is now over. -cm On Sep 24, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Kathleen Turner wrote: Does comparison to the Holocaust invoke Godwin's Law, and if so, does that mean that Glenn is forever barred from writing further messages on this topic? Kathleen On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:47 PM, craigso...@aol.com mailto:craigso...@aol.com wrote: “They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. And then we came for Glenn, and everyone cheered up. Ciao, Craig You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Darco, I would normally wish to ignore the ambiguous injury you suffered in your one line tweet. These tweets solely to intimidate speakers or chill speech of others should not ordinarily receive a serious response. But the code of silence which you invoke is so severely dangerous that I must respond publicly! Many of us, who have learned from the WW II holocaust and all the other holocausts, also stand firmly behind the knowledge that the lessons from the history must never be forgotten or silenced. Otherwise, they will always repeat. A million people died in the Iran Iraq war when we armed Saddam Hussein to kill Persians. How many died in Vietnam and Cambodia as they were called gooks? How many died in Iraq from US sanctions? An estimated million more Iraqis died in the recent war and there are millions of refugees destabilizing the entire region. Those dead people were called ragheads in military recruitment video games. This blood offends me and those dead millions can't tell their stories! Darco, this blood and much more has been spilled since 1945. I won't be silenced while the main cause this blood was spilled is because too much of middle class America has indeed forgotten the reasons why Neimoller's quote is carved in granite on holocaust memorials around the world.I think those words should be studied and discussed by every high school student in America. (I copied the famous quote by hand because I wanted it burned into my mind.) Those who wish to mystify the holocausts and deny the study of these frighten me! A main lesson of that quote has to do with the inevitable course history will take when good people stay silent when the other is first defined and dehumanized. For many years, the people from Clark Park and West Philly have been actively portrayed as criminals, prostitutes, gangs, etc. My inner city neighbors and poor people have similarly been categorized and caged afterward. Less than a year ago, a UCD executive was quoted in a city wide paper claiming that people did not go West of 43rd St before the UCD takeover. I was OFFENDED! To those of us who understand the messages in Neimoller's words, this intensive dehumanizing propaganda campaign against my neighbors has been alarming. This process that WE MUST NEVER FORGET is happening right here, RIGHT NOW! The code of silence required to avoid offending you is extremely dangerous. I also want people to see the body bags and feel uncomfortable with the global horror caused because they refuse to speak up against racism and all the forces to define others and strip them of their rights and lives. I don't give a damn who is offended or uncomfortable. Now Darco, I can tell you to take your silly ambiguous tweet and stuff it. Sincerely, Glenn For emphasis: They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up. Pastor Martin Neimoller On 9/23/2010 2:14 PM, Lalevic, Darco wrote: Glenn, While I appreciate your futile intentions to wrest control of Clark Park from the UCD/Penn/FOCP/everyone-else conspiracy, I find it extremely offensive that you use a Holocaust reference for effect. Darco *From:* owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] *On Behalf Of *Glenn *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:18 AM *To:* UnivCity@list.purple.com *Subject:* [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR Citizens, Here is the UC Review coverage of the Clark park closure. Like always, the local residents are supposed to feel stupid while they are wondering how they missed nearly five years of planning and nearly countless public meetings geared toward receiving community feedback on revitalizing Park A... (UC Review) http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=defaultsmenu=1mad=no http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=defaultsmenu=1mad=no If you looked closely at the announcements of Friends of Clark Park meetings over the past few years, a few mentioned updates about maintenance. Almost no one from the community, other than the anointed FOCP leaders themselves, bore the pain of these gatherings as I did. Fact: There was no portion at FOCP board meetings that was ever geared toward receiving PUBLIC feedback about Penn's plan to redesign the park! Eyewitness account: A few minutes (4 or 5) were left at the end of each show, in case anyone wanted to thank and applaud the FOCP leaders. For three consecutive years, I attempted to make a one minute statement to voice opposition to the closed
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Yes, you understand! On 9/24/2010 8:33 AM, Cindy Miller wrote: No, but according to Wikipedia, it means that Glenn has lost and the discussion is now over. -cm On Sep 24, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Kathleen Turner wrote: Does comparison to the Holocaust invoke Godwin's Law, and if so, does that mean that Glenn is forever barred from writing further messages on this topic? Kathleen On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:47 PM, craigso...@aol.com mailto:craigso...@aol.com wrote: They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. And then we came for Glenn, and everyone cheered up. Ciao, Craig *From:* owner-univc...@list.purple.com mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com?] *On Behalf Of *Glenn *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:18 AM *To:* UnivCity@list.purple.com mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com *Subject:* [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR Citizens, Here is the UC Review coverage of the Clark park closure. Like always, the local residents are supposed to feel stupid while they are wondering how they missed nearly five years of planning and nearly countless public meetings geared toward receiving community feedback on revitalizing Park A... (UC Review) http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=defaultsmenu=1mad=no http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=defaultsmenu=1mad=no snip Today, it is the park users whose culture and rights are being destroyed. I copied this from the Holocaust memorial in downtown Boston for the silent ones to consider: They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up. Pastor Martin Neimoller = No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3155 - Release Date: 09/23/10 14:34:00
RE: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR
Bullshit. I understand all too well the rise of corporatism, the failings of society, the consequences of war, hate, racism, and distrust. I have experienced it and seen it first hand. I also don't want you to speak for me. I can do it myself. I was born in this neighborhood and have lived here almost all of my life. I too am often offended by the bias and misinformation that is often propagated as marketing for University City. As for happening right here, right now I can tell you it's been happening right here for as long as I can remember, and I'm pretty sure for longer than that. What I'm offended by is that you choose Clark Park as the focal representation of societal horrors. Sure, I disagree with UCD and FOCP on many issues, but I'm willing to bet after they blow all that money, the park will be used by the same people as it is now. Yes, I disagree with (what I perceive as) the push to disenfranchise certain people from the park (I'm not accusing anyone directly of doing so, I'm reflecting on the selective enforcement of what I consider stupid laws). And yes, what is happening is representative of our society in general. But to equate what is happening with Clark Park in any way with the death of millions is disrespectful. Additionally, it puts your argument into the irrational category for most people. Your yelling that the world is going to end, rather than providing detailed facts to your argument, inevitably causes fewer people to become involved. As you yourself have pointed out, how many others have publicly fought against the Clark Park changes? The fact is, by not engaging the argument in a logical, academic way, you've pushed the relevance of your argument to the wayside. And really, 5 years of planning? I remember seeing a plan for revitalizing Clark Park 10 years ago! If someone didn't know this was coming then they clearly have not been paying attention. Darco PS: I have one for you: A shepherd-boy, who watched a flock of sheep near a village, brought out the villagers three or four times by crying out, Wolf! Wolf! and when his neighbors came to help him, laughed at them for their pains. The Wolf, however, did truly come at last. The Shepherd-boy, now really alarmed, shouted in an agony of terror: Pray, do come and help me; the Wolf is killing the sheep; but no one paid any heed to his cries, nor rendered any assistance. The Wolf, having no cause of fear, at his leisure lacerated or destroyed the whole flock. - Aesop From: Glenn [mailto:glen...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:36 PM To: Lalevic, Darco Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR Darco, I would normally wish to ignore the ambiguous injury you suffered in your one line tweet. These tweets solely to intimidate speakers or chill speech of others should not ordinarily receive a serious response. But the code of silence which you invoke is so severely dangerous that I must respond publicly! Many of us, who have learned from the WW II holocaust and all the other holocausts, also stand firmly behind the knowledge that the lessons from the history must never be forgotten or silenced. Otherwise, they will always repeat. A million people died in the Iran Iraq war when we armed Saddam Hussein to kill Persians. How many died in Vietnam and Cambodia as they were called gooks? How many died in Iraq from US sanctions? An estimated million more Iraqis died in the recent war and there are millions of refugees destabilizing the entire region. Those dead people were called ragheads in military recruitment video games. This blood offends me and those dead millions can't tell their stories! Darco, this blood and much more has been spilled since 1945. I won't be silenced while the main cause this blood was spilled is because too much of middle class America has indeed forgotten the reasons why Neimoller's quote is carved in granite on holocaust memorials around the world.I think those words should be studied and discussed by every high school student in America. (I copied the famous quote by hand because I wanted it burned into my mind.) Those who wish to mystify the holocausts and deny the study of these frighten me! A main lesson of that quote has to do with the inevitable course history will take when good people stay silent when the other is first defined and dehumanized. For many years, the people from Clark Park and West Philly have been actively portrayed as criminals, prostitutes, gangs, etc. My inner city neighbors and poor people have similarly been categorized and caged afterward. Less than a year ago, a UCD executive was quoted in a city wide paper claiming that people did not go West of 43rd St before the UCD takeover. I was OFFENDED! To those of us who understand the messages in Neimoller's words, this intensive dehumanizing propaganda campaign against my neighbors has
Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR - and your rights are?
In a message dated 9/24/2010 12:37:39 Eastern Daylight Time, glen...@earthlink.net writes: ... speak up against ...the forces ... and strip them of their rights In the end you know what we do with guys like you, who know their rights, and refuse to accept they're wrongs? _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-z44dVBU64_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-z44dVBU64) Is that a John Deere parked in the rear of your Baltimore Ave gentleman's ranchette? Ciao, Craig
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You HAVE? On 9/24/10 3:04 PM, Lalevic, Darco lale...@wharton.upenn.edu wrote: Bullshit. I understand all too well the rise of corporatism, the failings of society, the consequences of war, hate, racism, and distrust. I have experienced it and seen it first hand. I also don¹t want you to speak for me. I can do it myself. I was born in this neighborhood and have lived here almost all of my life. I too am often offended by the bias and misinformation that is often propagated as marketing for ³University City². As for happening ³right here, right now² I can tell you it¹s been happening ³right here² for as long as I can remember, and I¹m pretty sure for longer than that. What I¹m offended by is that you choose Clark Park as the focal representation of societal horrors. Sure, I disagree with UCD and FOCP on many issues, but I¹m willing to bet after they blow all that money, the park will be used by the same people as it is now. Yes, I disagree with (what I perceive as) the push to disenfranchise certain people from the park (I¹m not accusing anyone directly of doing so, I¹m reflecting on the selective enforcement of what I consider stupid laws). And yes, what is happening is representative of our society in general. But to equate what is happening with Clark Park in any way with the death of millions is disrespectful. Additionally, it puts your argument into the irrational category for most people. Your yelling that the world is going to end, rather than providing detailed facts to your argument, inevitably causes fewer people to become involved. As you yourself have pointed out, how many others have publicly fought against the Clark Park changes? The fact is, by not engaging the argument in a logical, academic way, you¹ve pushed the relevance of your argument to the wayside. And really, 5 years of planning? I remember seeing a plan for ³revitalizing² Clark Park 10 years ago! If someone didn¹t know this was coming then they clearly have not been paying attention. Darco PS: I have one for you: ³A shepherd-boy, who watched a flock of sheep near a village, brought out the villagers three or four times by crying out, Wolf! Wolf! and when his neighbors came to help him, laughed at them for their pains. The Wolf, however, did truly come at last. The Shepherd-boy, now really alarmed, shouted in an agony of terror: Pray, do come and help me; the Wolf is killing the sheep; but no one paid any heed to his cries, nor rendered any assistance. The Wolf, having no cause of fear, at his leisure lacerated or destroyed the whole flock.² Aesop From: Glenn [mailto:glen...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:36 PM To: Lalevic, Darco Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR Darco, I would normally wish to ignore the ambiguous injury you suffered in your one line tweet. These tweets solely to intimidate speakers or chill speech of others should not ordinarily receive a serious response. But the code of silence which you invoke is so severely dangerous that I must respond publicly! Many of us, who have learned from the WW II holocaust and all the other holocausts, also stand firmly behind the knowledge that the lessons from the history must never be forgotten or silenced. Otherwise, they will always repeat. A million people died in the Iran Iraq war when we armed Saddam Hussein to kill Persians. How many died in Vietnam and Cambodia as they were called gooks? How many died in Iraq from US sanctions? An estimated million more Iraqis died in the recent war and there are millions of refugees destabilizing the entire region. Those dead people were called ragheads in military recruitment video games. This blood offends me and those dead millions can't tell their stories! Darco, this blood and much more has been spilled since 1945. I won't be silenced while the main cause this blood was spilled is because too much of middle class America has indeed forgotten the reasons why Neimoller's quote is carved in granite on holocaust memorials around the world.I think those words should be studied and discussed by every high school student in America. (I copied the famous quote by hand because I wanted it burned into my mind.) Those who wish to mystify the holocausts and deny the study of these frighten me! A main lesson of that quote has to do with the inevitable course history will take when good people stay silent when the other is first defined and dehumanized. For many years, the people from Clark Park and West Philly have been actively portrayed as criminals, prostitutes, gangs, etc. My inner city neighbors and poor people have similarly been categorized and caged afterward. Less than a year ago, a UCD executive was quoted in a city wide paper claiming that people did not go West of 43rd St before the UCD takeover. I
RE: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR
Glenn, While I appreciate your futile intentions to wrest control of Clark Park from the UCD/Penn/FOCP/everyone-else conspiracy, I find it extremely offensive that you use a Holocaust reference for effect. Darco From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:18 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR Citizens, Here is the UC Review coverage of the Clark park closure. Like always, the local residents are supposed to feel stupid while they are wondering how they missed nearly five years of planning and nearly countless public meetings geared toward receiving community feedback on revitalizing Park A... (UC Review) http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=defaultsmenu=1mad=no If you looked closely at the announcements of Friends of Clark Park meetings over the past few years, a few mentioned updates about maintenance. Almost no one from the community, other than the anointed FOCP leaders themselves, bore the pain of these gatherings as I did. Fact: There was no portion at FOCP board meetings that was ever geared toward receiving PUBLIC feedback about Penn's plan to redesign the park! Eyewitness account: A few minutes (4 or 5) were left at the end of each show, in case anyone wanted to thank and applaud the FOCP leaders. For three consecutive years, I attempted to make a one minute statement to voice opposition to the closed, secretive and exclusive process which was driving Penn's redesign. Each time I was silenced (Snyder, Snyder, Melmen)! That is what FOCP claims were countless public meetings for feedback. As indicated in the UCR article, the other public process was to find out about Siano and West frightening people PRIVATELY at the farmer's market. Everyone is to believe that while Siano and West demanded 20 dollars from people with false promises of inclusion, that citizens had a legitimate process for providing feedback to the closed and secret Clark Park Partnership. It's as silly and dishonest as melani's private in-box survey for BID supporters. (I wish more people understood the very basic principles involved!) It looks like the big lie has now become part of the history of West Philadelphia as advanced by UCD. Reality: The years between the rejection of Penn's plan to redesign Clark Park as well as these FOCP updates were always designed to keep the public confused and excluded from the UNPOPULAR plan. They kept saying the community wants this destruction and kept telling the public that there were public meetings. They never allowed park user groups to participate or observe the planning meetings since Penn first hand picked the master plan steering committee. Only FOCP leaders were allowed and all others were banned. When Aaron told the reporter that 100 people, he knew, were surprised by the slaughter of trees, we are all supposed to believe that they just didn't pay enough attention while the FOCP patiently begged for community feedback in public meetings! Are the people going to stay silent against this lie? Wake up: The three stooges, West, Siano, and Chance, helped Penn privatize Clark Park and give absolute control of Clark Park to UCD, masked as the closed Clark Park Partnership. It wasn't public feedback meetings that everyone missed. It was the loss of our rights, as local residents and as citizens, that we failed to see and stand up against with these deceptions! Today, it is the park users whose culture and rights are being destroyed. I copied this from the Holocaust memorial in downtown Boston for the silent ones to consider: They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up. Pastor Martin Neimoller
Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR
“They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. And then we came for Glenn, and everyone cheered up. Ciao, Craig From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:18 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR Citizens, Here is the UC Review coverage of the Clark park closure. Like always, the local residents are supposed to feel stupid while they are wondering how they missed “nearly five years of planning and nearly countless public meetings geared toward receiving community feedback on revitalizing Park A… (UC Review) http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=defaultsmenu=1mad=no snip Today, it is the park users whose culture and rights are being destroyed. I copied this from the Holocaust memorial in downtown Boston for the silent ones to consider: “They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up.” Pastor Martin Neimoller =
[UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR
Citizens, Here is the UC Review coverage of the Clark park closure. Like always, the local residents are supposed to feel stupid while they are wondering how they missed nearly five years of planning and nearly countless public meetings geared toward receiving community feedback on revitalizing Park A... (UC Review) http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=defaultsmenu=1mad=no http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=defaultsmenu=1mad=no If you looked closely at the announcements of Friends of Clark Park meetings over the past few years, a few mentioned updates about maintenance. Almost no one from the community, other than the anointed FOCP leaders themselves, bore the pain of these gatherings as I did. Fact: There was no portion at FOCP board meetings that was ever geared toward receiving PUBLIC feedback about Penn's plan to redesign the park! Eyewitness account: A few minutes (4 or 5) were left at the end of each show, in case anyone wanted to thank and applaud the FOCP leaders. For three consecutive years, I attempted to make a one minute statement to voice opposition to the closed, secretive and exclusive process which was driving Penn's redesign. Each time I was silenced (Snyder, Snyder, Melmen)! That is what FOCP claims were countless public meetings for feedback. As indicated in the UCR article, the other public process was to find out about Siano and West frightening people PRIVATELY at the farmer's market. Everyone is to believe that while Siano and West demanded 20 dollars from people with false promises of inclusion, that citizens had a legitimate process for providing feedback to the closed and secret Clark Park Partnership. It's as silly and dishonest as melani's private in-box survey for BID supporters. (I wish more people understood the very basic principles involved!) It looks like the big lie has now become part of the history of West Philadelphia as advanced by UCD. Reality: The years between the rejection of Penn's plan to redesign Clark Park as well as these FOCP updates were always designed to keep the public confused and excluded from the UNPOPULAR plan. They kept saying the community wants this destruction and kept telling the public that there were public meetings. They never allowed park user groups to participate or observe the planning meetings since Penn first hand picked the master plan steering committee. Only FOCP leaders were allowed and all others were banned. When Aaron told the reporter that 100 people, he knew, were surprised by the slaughter of trees, we are all supposed to believe that they just didn't pay enough attention while the FOCP patiently begged for community feedback in public meetings! Are the people going to stay silent against this lie? Wake up: The three stooges, West, Siano, and Chance, helped Penn privatize Clark Park and give absolute control of Clark Park to UCD, masked as the closed Clark Park Partnership. It wasn't public feedback meetings that everyone missed. It was the loss of our rights, as local residents and as citizens, that we failed to see and stand up against with these deceptions! Today, it is the park users whose culture and rights are being destroyed. I copied this from the Holocaust memorial in downtown Boston for the silent ones to consider: They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up. Pastor Martin Neimoller
