Re: Question About Windows Standalone

2011-09-06 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 9/5/11 10:20 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Björnke,

Excuse my ignorance. I guess it's a matter of terminology. So what are they 
called?


Externals are like HyperCard XCMDs. They are usually written in a 
lower-level language, and add a specific functionality to the LiveCode 
engine. The zip commands are implemented as an external, for example.


If a standalone needs to include externals, they are placed in the 
Externals folder during the build process. If there are no externals 
used in the standalone, the standalone builder creates the folder anyway 
but it's empty. The folder isn't needed if your app doesn't use 
externals and is safe to throw away.


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Re: Question About Windows Standalone

2011-09-06 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 09/06/2011 09:00 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 9/5/11 10:20 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Björnke,

Excuse my ignorance. I guess it's a matter of terminology. So what 
are they called?


Externals are like HyperCard XCMDs. They are usually written in a 
lower-level language, and add a specific functionality to the LiveCode 
engine. The zip commands are implemented as an external, for example.


If a standalone needs to include externals, they are placed in the 
Externals folder during the build process. If there are no externals 
used in the standalone, the standalone builder creates the folder 
anyway but it's empty. The folder isn't needed if your app doesn't use 
externals and is safe to throw away.




Presumably (wow, even more naive one coming here), Externals are 
included inside a Mac App

bundle? And, wait-for-it, what about Linux standalones?

Certainly, it is a pain in the bottom re Windows standalones, as I would 
like end-users to unpack
their standalone just like that and start using it, undistracted by 
directories labelled Externals.


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Re:[ANN] ObjectFormats plugin

2011-09-06 Thread Joseba Aguayo
Hello Peter:

Thank you very much for your contributions.
Using your plugin frequently.

Un saludo.

Joseba Aguayo Fernández
(jagu...@telur.es)

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changing object colour references from hex to rgb

2011-09-06 Thread Terry Judd
OK, I want to set the background of some objects to a hex value - easy enough - 
but then at a later stage I want to compare an RGB colour value with them to 
see if there is a match. However, if I set the colour using a hex value the 
queried value for the object remains as a hex value. Is there any way I can 
force the queried value to report as an RGB triplet, or do I need to 
programmatically convert them?

Terry...

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Re: newbie question about smartphone apps

2011-09-06 Thread Gerry


 Apparently it's possible to make iPhone and Android apps with LC.
 Apparently, there's a product called LiveCode Mobile, rather similar to LC,
 for this purpose. Do I have it right so far?


Android and iOS development is possible with add-on licenses. It's the same
app, just enabled for output to those devices.


 If I am able to create a conventional LC stack for my own use, similar to
 the hypothetical phone app, how much harder is it to develop a smartphone
 app?


In a sense it's easier, as smart phone apps generally do less than desktop
apps. That said, each OS has it's own quirks and issues, and of course you
have to take into account the user interface and user interaction
differences between desktop apps and touch-driven mobile device apps.


 Can I install a prototype on my own smart phone for testing purposes? (At
 the moment, I don't even own a smart phone, so please excuse the
 newbishness.)


Once you have the LC license(s), and the Android and/or iOS development SDKs
you can do that, and more. You can also run your apps in simulators on your
desktop machines (I think you need a Mac to do iOS development however). Not
sure about Android, but you would need to be a registered iOS developer if
you wanna do iOS apps - Apple charges $99/year for that.


 I would need professional assistance to get the hypothetical app
 error-free, attractive, and otherwise ready for prime time before it could
 be sold in an app store. What's the going rate for a consultant to help me
 get a final product ready? I assume this is normally an hourly rate.


I charge $7.2 million dollars an hour. (I have no idea what people
charge...just being silly). I'm no professional, but I have an app on the
store :)


 Is it realistic to hope that I could keep consulting fees down by doing
 much of the prototyping and easy coding myself, even though I am a
 self-taught amateur?


Possibly - hard to say without knowing your limitations :)


 Assuming the app is stable and reasonably functional and attractive and has
 some legitimate interest and value for at least a few tens of thousands of
 people (admittedly, I have a narrow purpose and interest group in mind) what
 are the chances that the powers that be will allow the app to be sold in
 their app stores?


If it complies with the app store rules, it'll be accepted.


 Does it matter much, in terms of acceptance, if me, the producer, is
 basically a nobody, as long as the app is good?


Worked for me :)

Gerry
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Re: changing object colour references from hex to rgb

2011-09-06 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Terry,

There might be a way, something like mouseColor for example, but it is easier 
to convert them: baseConvert(char 2 to 3 of myHex,16,10)  comma  
baseConvert(char 4 to 5 of myHex,16,10)  comma  baseConvert(char 6 to 7 of 
myHex,16,10).

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On 6 sep 2011, at 09:38, Terry Judd wrote:

 OK, I want to set the background of some objects to a hex value - easy enough 
 - but then at a later stage I want to compare an RGB colour value with them 
 to see if there is a match. However, if I set the colour using a hex value 
 the queried value for the object remains as a hex value. Is there any way I 
 can force the queried value to report as an RGB triplet, or do I need to 
 programmatically convert them?
 
 Terry...


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Re: changing object colour references from hex to rgb

2011-09-06 Thread Terry Judd
Hey thanks Mark, that looks quite straightforward!

Best regards,

Terry...

On 06/09/2011, at 05:51 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

 Hi Terry,
 
 There might be a way, something like mouseColor for example, but it is easier 
 to convert them: baseConvert(char 2 to 3 of myHex,16,10)  comma  
 baseConvert(char 4 to 5 of myHex,16,10)  comma  baseConvert(char 6 to 7 of 
 myHex,16,10).
 
 --
 Best regards,
 
 Mark Schonewille
 
 Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
 Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
 KvK: 50277553
 
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 On 6 sep 2011, at 09:38, Terry Judd wrote:
 
 OK, I want to set the background of some objects to a hex value - easy 
 enough - but then at a later stage I want to compare an RGB colour value 
 with them to see if there is a match. However, if I set the colour using a 
 hex value the queried value for the object remains as a hex value. Is there 
 any way I can force the queried value to report as an RGB triplet, or do I 
 need to programmatically convert them?
 
 Terry...
 
 
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iphone wallpaper image

2011-09-06 Thread paolo mazza
Hello All,
is it possible to change  the iphone wallpaper image from an iOS
Livecode application?
All the best
Paolo Mazza

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Re: iphone wallpaper image

2011-09-06 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:18 PM, paolo mazza mazzapaoloit...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello All,
 is it possible to change  the iphone wallpaper image from an iOS
 Livecode application?

Apple does not provide a public API to do that even when using Xcode,
so I would assume not.
The work-around is to offer to save images to the Camera Roll so users
can set the wallpaper manually from there.

Cheers,
Sarah

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Re: [ANN] ObjectFormats plugin

2011-09-06 Thread Peter M. Brigham, MD
On Sep 6, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Joseba Aguayo wrote:

 Hello Peter:
 
 Thank you very much for your contributions.
 Using your plugin frequently.
 
 Un saludo.

Glad it's useful!

-- Peter

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Re: Question About Windows Standalone

2011-09-06 Thread Roger Eller
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

 On 09/06/2011 09:00 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 On 9/5/11 10:20 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

 Björnke,

 Excuse my ignorance. I guess it's a matter of terminology. So what are
 they called?


 Externals are like HyperCard XCMDs. They are usually written in a
 lower-level language, and add a specific functionality to the LiveCode
 engine. The zip commands are implemented as an external, for example.

 If a standalone needs to include externals, they are placed in the
 Externals folder during the build process. If there are no externals used in
 the standalone, the standalone builder creates the folder anyway but it's
 empty. The folder isn't needed if your app doesn't use externals and is safe
 to throw away.


 Presumably (wow, even more naive one coming here), Externals are included
 inside a Mac App
 bundle? And, wait-for-it, what about Linux standalones?

 Certainly, it is a pain in the bottom re Windows standalones, as I would
 like end-users to unpack
 their standalone just like that and start using it, undistracted by
 directories labelled Externals.


Linux, like Windows, has an exposed Externals folder.  As I mentioned
before, an app bundle on a Mac is really just a folder filled with
subfolders. If you copy one to either Windows or Linux, you can easily look
around.  OS X (the GUI layer above BSD on a Mac) simply hides the content
when a folder ends in .app.  Anyone that regularly uses Windows will not be
distracted by subfolders that are visible.  Most people never see the
content of the folder because of installers, which put the bundle in the
proper location, and gives the user a Desktop shortcut icon to launch the
app.

˜Roger
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Re: Question About Windows Standalone

2011-09-06 Thread Ian Wood

On 6 Sep 2011, at 13:05, Roger Eller wrote:

 As I mentioned before, an app bundle on a Mac is really just a folder filled 
 with subfolders. If you copy one to either Windows or Linux, you can easily 
 look around.

On a Mac, right-click and choose 'View package content' to see the folder 
contents.

Ian
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Re: Question About Windows Standalone

2011-09-06 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Gregory,

You need to send the entire Windows folder to your users. This includes the 
separate stack files, referenced files if there are any, and the externals 
folder. You might leave out the externals folder if you really want to.

If you prefer to send just one file, you could use the Installer Maker Plugin. 
This plugin creates one .exe file, which you don't need to compress to send it 
to your users. The .exe file doesn't need any externals, so you don't need to 
include that folder, even if your own standalone needs externals (but you need 
to include the externals when you make the installer). You can find the 
Installer Maker Plugin here http://qery.us/za

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On 6 sep 2011, at 02:11, Gregory Lypny wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 
 I’m am Mac user who doesn’t know much, if anything, about Windows.  I’ve just 
 built a standalone for Mac and Windows and I’d like to confirm what it is I 
 need to provide to Windows users.  The Standalone Builder produced a folder 
 called Windows.  Inside of it is a folder called Externals, which is empty 
 because I have none, the executable file, and the stack files I used in the 
 project.  Do I give users the entire Windows folder or just the executable?  
 The reason that I ask is that the Mac build hides everything nicely in a 
 package, and I was a little concerned seeing those stack files sitting out in 
 the open.
 
 Regards,
 
 Gregory
 

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Purchasing from an iOs App

2011-09-06 Thread paolo mazza
Referring to  verse 11.13  of the holy App Store Review Guidellines
(last edition) ,  Apps that link to external mechanisms for purchases
or subscriptions to be used in the app, such as a “buy button that
goes to a web site to purchase a digital book, will be rejected

What about a buy button that goes to web site to purchase wine or cars  ?

I mean, restrictions apply only to materials to be used in the app or
to any kind of product?

All the best

Paolo

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Re: Question About Windows Standalone

2011-09-06 Thread Gregory Lypny
Thanks everyone,

I get it.  Windows builds pretty much need the whole thing.  I don’t like the 
stack files sitting there though.  I think I will turn them into sub-stacks and 
have users save their data to text files.

Regards,

Gregory
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Re: DataGrid and my headache

2011-09-06 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote:

 The example is incomplete (aka wrong). Try the following... the
 inserted text is from the more complete example at


Actually the example is not incomplete. The code snippet is from this
lesson:

http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/datagrid/l/7303-How-Do-I-Create-My-First-Data-Grid-Table-

The lesson first has you create the columns and then run the code snippet.
If you create the columns as described in the lesson then the code snippet
works fine (assuming you have a data grid named DataGrid1).

Horst - the problem is most likely that you created a Data Grid field and
the example lesson you are going through works with a data grid table. Try
going through the lesson again and create a table. Does it work?

-- 
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revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread LunchnMeets
Hi,

I've been having this problem for a long time, but I've just been living 
with it. Almost every time I open the inspector it asks me to save the 
revPropertyPalette. I've been doing that but it keeps coming back. What am I 
doing 
wrong?

Another problem I've been having is I can't seem to ungroup some groups. I 
tried all sorts of ways of doing that but haven't been successful.

Just out of curiosity, am I the only member of this list who only programs 
in LiveCode? I don't know any other programming language unless you count 
HyperCard, which I doubt I could still work in. :)

Your help is much appreciated.

Joe in Orlando.
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Re: revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread dunbarx
Hi.


There was a thread about this years ago:


http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=8t=232


I cannot find any such file, using relatively modern versions of LC (or Rev).
Which version are you using? I think this was either the old name of the 
property inspector, or a stack associated with it. Before my time, though.


I still program in HC. And besides LC, nothing else.


Craig Newman











-Original Message-
From: LunchnMeets lunchnme...@aol.com
To: use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 7:43 am
Subject: revPropertyPalette


Hi,

I've been having this problem for a long time, but I've just been living 
with it. Almost every time I open the inspector it asks me to save the 
revPropertyPalette. I've been doing that but it keeps coming back. What am I 
doing 
wrong?

Another problem I've been having is I can't seem to ungroup some groups. I 
tried all sorts of ways of doing that but haven't been successful.

Just out of curiosity, am I the only member of this list who only programs 
in LiveCode? I don't know any other programming language unless you count 
HyperCard, which I doubt I could still work in. :)

Your help is much appreciated.

Joe in Orlando.
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Re: revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Joe,

I am having the same problem with revPropertyPalette. I don't expect it to get 
fixed. In any case, don't save it :-) I don't think that saving it makes sense, 
if it doesn't make things worse.

If you can't ungroup a group, that group probably contains nested groups. 
Select the group and choose Edit Group from the Object menu. Now you should be 
able to select the nested groups and ungroup those. Stop editing the group and 
ungroup the group you were editing. This time it should work.

LiveCode is only one of many programming tools I use, but I think there are 
quite a few people who only use LiveCode, perhaps together with either 
SuperCard or RealBasic. Quite a few others probably use LiveCode combined with 
some web programming tools and a few graphing tools.

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On 6 sep 2011, at 17:40, lunchnme...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I've been having this problem for a long time, but I've just been living 
 with it. Almost every time I open the inspector it asks me to save the 
 revPropertyPalette. I've been doing that but it keeps coming back. What am I 
 doing 
 wrong?
 
 Another problem I've been having is I can't seem to ungroup some groups. I 
 tried all sorts of ways of doing that but haven't been successful.
 
 Just out of curiosity, am I the only member of this list who only programs 
 in LiveCode? I don't know any other programming language unless you count 
 HyperCard, which I doubt I could still work in. :)
 
 Your help is much appreciated.
 
 Joe in Orlando.



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Re: revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Richard Gaskin

Joe wrote:


I've been having this problem for a long time, but I've just been living
with it. Almost every time I open the inspector it asks me to save the
revPropertyPalette. I've been doing that but it keeps coming back. What am I 
doing
wrong?


It seems that the Inspector has somehow been flagged as modified 
during the session.  Haven't seen that before.  Have you edited it?


I would imagine a re-install of LC would take care of it if nothing else 
does.




Another problem I've been having is I can't seem to ungroup some groups. I
tried all sorts of ways of doing that but haven't been successful.


Can you identify the circumstances that differ between those groups you 
can ungroup and those you can't?



Just out of curiosity, am I the only member of this list who only programs
in LiveCode? I don't know any other programming language unless you count
HyperCard, which I doubt I could still work in. :)


Most of my time these days is split between LiveCode and 
JavaScript/HTML/CSS.


Given the ubiquity of the Web and that JavaScript is the only language 
provided natively in browsers, it's indispensable.


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Re: DataGrid: some questions

2011-09-06 Thread Bob Sneidar
It is possible to determine that a click or double-click in the datagrid was 
not in an active row with data. Just get the dgHilitedLine(s) inside a mouseUp 
or doubleMouseUp handler. If it's empty the user clicked or double clicked in 
an empty space in the dataGrid. Trouble is, it works equally well for clicks in 
the header and scrollbar too. :-)

Bob


On Sep 4, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:

 Hi,
 
 what do i have to do to let my user to add a new row to a DataGrid table? I 
 can edit an existing row(with already text in it), but i cannot add a new 
 line to the grid by clicking into the next empty row.
 Is that not possible?


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Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread dunbarx
If I open a new LC session with any simple stack and call the stacks, I see 
the revmenubar, revMessageBox and whatever stack I opened with (I opened the 
msg box by hand). If I then open the inspector for the stack and call the 
stacks I get a blank line in the middle of the list. I assume that is where 
the inspector sort of lies.


Now I can find files for stacks like the message boxand revTools. But I cannot 
find anything for revPropertyPalette. And why the blank line? Shy?


Craig Newman




-Original Message-
From: Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com
To: use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 8:15 am
Subject: Re: revPropertyPalette


Joe wrote:

 I've been having this problem for a long time, but I've just been living
 with it. Almost every time I open the inspector it asks me to save the
 revPropertyPalette. I've been doing that but it keeps coming back. What am I 
doing
 wrong?

It seems that the Inspector has somehow been flagged as modified 
during the session.  Haven't seen that before.  Have you edited it?

I would imagine a re-install of LC would take care of it if nothing else 
does.


 Another problem I've been having is I can't seem to ungroup some groups. I
 tried all sorts of ways of doing that but haven't been successful.

Can you identify the circumstances that differ between those groups you 
can ungroup and those you can't?

 Just out of curiosity, am I the only member of this list who only programs
 in LiveCode? I don't know any other programming language unless you count
 HyperCard, which I doubt I could still work in. :)

Most of my time these days is split between LiveCode and 
JavaScript/HTML/CSS.

Given the ubiquity of the Web and that JavaScript is the only language 
provided natively in browsers, it's indispensable.

-- 
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  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Richard Gaskin

dunbarx wrote:


If I open a new LC session with any simple stack and call the stacks, I see the 
revmenubar, revMessageBox and whatever stack I opened with (I opened the msg box by hand). If I 
then open the inspector for the stack and call the stacks I get a blank line in the 
middle of the list. I assume that is where the inspector sort of lies.


Normally the engine uses a blank line to indicate an open menu.

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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Richmond Mathewson

OK, OK; I'm behind in the race ( 4.5 ), but then, even if I had the money,
I would feel a bit queer about buying things with numbers after a second 
fullstop:


So: crack open 4.5. dp 4 and the Application browser: no revPropertypalette

[and, this is extremely UNsurprising, as I have no stack open which 
might have properties]


open a new, blank stack [ Aha, the brain is suddenly lit up with a 
strange aura ]


and, LO! one is able to open a Properties palette for that stack

[ and, any newbies lurking in these parts, pardon the slight sarcasm, 
but THIS (i.e. props

palette) is something one should have stumbled on on day 1 ]

back to Application Browser and there one can see, at the bottom of 
the list (ou, a fond [ excusez moi, sans accents ] as they say in 
France) revPropertyPalette 1 created 'on-the-fly'

as it-were, from some mysteriously hidden template . . .

So, those who cannot find revPropertyPalette are being, at best, 
disingenuous . . .


Certainly, the 'thing', a.k.a Props palette doth not keep importuning me 
to save it; and why should it? After all, the blasted thing is just a 
different way of getting at things on the stack;
and those of you who don't appreciate the finer points of the Props 
Palette ought to take
a quick skinny at the equivalent in the alternative Metacard 
interface; Ouch.
And no apologies whatsoever to those who eschew the RunRev/Livecode 
interface in favour

of the Metacard one.

-
Federal Regulations Require That Readers Should Be Cautioned That Parts 
Or All Of This Message May Be Fuelled By Alcohol.

-

AND, the purport of this message is:

IFF the revPropertyPalette is asking you to save it things ain't as they 
should be . . . Bubba!


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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi,

In this case, the blank line is because the revPropertyPalette is a cloned 
stack without a stackfile on disk. The revPropertyPalettes exist in memory 
only, while only one original exists on disk.

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On 6 sep 2011, at 20:33, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 dunbarx wrote:
 
 If I open a new LC session with any simple stack and call the stacks, I 
 see the revmenubar, revMessageBox and whatever stack I opened with (I opened 
 the msg box by hand). If I then open the inspector for the stack and call 
 the stacks I get a blank line in the middle of the list. I assume that is 
 where the inspector sort of lies.
 
 Normally the engine uses a blank line to indicate an open menu.

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urlProgress error message

2011-09-06 Thread debdoot das
Salutations,

Is there a list of all the possible urlProgress error messages.

Thanks
Debdoot


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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Richard Gaskin

Mark Schonewille wrote:

In this case, the blank line is because the revPropertyPalette is a cloned 
stack without a stackfile on disk. The revPropertyPalettes exist in memory 
only, while only one original exists on disk.


Ah, right: that was the stacks, and not the windows.

Since there's only one Inspector open at any given time, why do they 
bother cloning it?


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Re: [BUG] LiveCode server 4.6.3 fails to connect to MySQL UNIX socket file

2011-09-06 Thread Bob Sneidar
I am using On-Rev SQL with a direct connection. I am using 4.6.3. It seem to be 
working fine for me. 

Bob


On Sep 5, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

 Folks,
 
 I've updated the quality centre with a new bug report:
 
 http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9712
 
 As explained in there, LiveCodeServer tries to connect to /tmp/mysql.sock
 which is not always the correct location. The mysqld daemon will tell the
 client what socket file to use but LiveCode server is not using that file.
 LiveCode Server 3.5 works fine but the new 4.6.x series does not.
 
 I call on the users of these lists to vote for this bug report. This bug has
 a workaround with symbolic links but this linking can't be done for users on
 shared hosts, so I think it qualifies for a severe bug.
 
 Cheers
 andre
 
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Re: Copying from MS word into RunRev 4.0

2011-09-06 Thread Bob Sneidar
No not really. It works for you because Parallels is doing a clipboard 
translation itself, so the quote survives. It would be the same thing as first 
pasting into a Rich Text Editor, recopying, and then pasting into Livecode. 
That always works. 

Bob


On Sep 3, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:

 Jonathan, I've just copied  pasted 'it's' (with a curly single right-hand 
 quote) from Word 2010 (Windows) on my Parallels VM into TextWrangler on my 
 Mac and the curly quote character survives intact. So, for me, Word export 
 and the clipboard are working OK. 


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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 09/06/2011 10:14 PM, Pete wrote:

I might be dreaming but I'll swear I've run into situations where I've had
multiple inspector windows open at the same time, not for the same object of
course.  Unfortunately, I can't remember the circumstannces where this has
happened.


I've never come across that. I suppose unless it can be reduplicated we 
should

doubt your claim.


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ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote:


Mark Schonewille wrote:


In this case, the blank line is because the revPropertyPalette is a cloned
stack without a stackfile on disk. The revPropertyPalettes exist in memory
only, while only one original exists on disk.


Ah, right: that was the stacks, and not the windows.

Since there's only one Inspector open at any given time, why do they bother
cloning it?

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Re: [ANN] ObjectFormats plugin

2011-09-06 Thread Bob Sneidar
This would be incredibly useful to me if it worked with cards and groups as 
well. I make extensive use of properties to store things like datagrid column 
formatting and related tables for a form. 

Bob


On Sep 4, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Peter M. Brigham, MD wrote:

 I'm making available for general use a plugin I've developed. Here's from the 
 help text:
 
 --
 
 What it is
 
 The ObjectFormats plugin helps you apply stored properties to buttons or 
 fields in any stack. Set up a field or button the way you want it and save 
 its properties in this plugin, then apply the whole set of properties to 
 future fields or buttons with a mouseclick. You can store a list of button 
 and field formats and use them whenever you want. 
 
 How it works
 
 Select a button or a field in any stack with the pointer tool, then click the 
 save format button. (The plugin only works for buttons and fields, at least 
 for now.) After naming your format, a number of properties of the selected 
 control will be stored and the format will appear in the list in the main 
 field. Button formats will be indicated with a little oval button icon and 
 field formats will be indicated with a square field icon.
 
 Thereafter, if you select a button or a field in any stack and then click on 
 a format in the list, all the stored properties of that format will be 
 applied at once to the selected control.
 
 Certain properties will not be stored or changed, for obvious reasons: the 
 name, label, altID, rect, behavior, script, layer, text, icon, etc., of 
 controls will remain untouched, since they are either unique for each control 
 or should otherwise be handled individually. Only properties relevant to the 
 general appearance and functioning of the button or field will be set, like 
 the button or field style, text appearance, border width, margins, blending, 
 locktext, tabstops, colors, autohilite, showborder, etc, where applicable.
 
 After you apply a format to an object, the undo button will appear at top 
 right. If you regret your reformatting of the object, click the undo button 
 and the previous properties of the selected object will be restored. Note 
 that only the most recent reformatting operation can be undone.
 
 Option-click on the save format button to examine the relevant properties 
 of the selected object (without saving them). Option-click on a line in the 
 format list to see the stored properties of that format (without applying 
 them). Shift-click on a format in the list to delete it from the plugin. 
 Command-click on a format to change its name.
 
 To use it as a plugin, drop the ObjectFormats.rev file into your plugins 
 folder and restart LiveCode.
 
 ---
 
 Available at:
 .dmg -- http://db.tt/dCBTN1d
 .zip -- http://db.tt/Ck6PnYn
 
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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Mark Schonewille
Richard,

Very often, I have 2 or 3 inspectors open at a time. Just click the lock button 
and open an inspector for another object.

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On 6 sep 2011, at 21:02, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 Mark Schonewille wrote:
 In this case, the blank line is because the revPropertyPalette is a cloned 
 stack without a stackfile on disk. The revPropertyPalettes exist in memory 
 only, while only one original exists on disk.
 
 Ah, right: that was the stacks, and not the windows.
 
 Since there's only one Inspector open at any given time, why do they bother 
 cloning it?
 


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Re: LiveCode 4.6.4

2011-09-06 Thread Bob Sneidar
SSSHHH! We are not supposed to even KNOW there is a 4.6.4. But seriously, this 
is not the forum for pre-release versions. Did you get an email telling you 
where to post beta issues? 

Bob


On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Éric Miclo wrote:

 Hello,
 
 Same application built under Mac OS X Lion 10.7.1:
 
 - launches and works when built with LiveCode 4.6.3
 
 - crashes upon launch when built with LiveCode 4.6.4
 
 In the Release notes:
 
  • Mac
 
 The Mac engine supports:
 
   • 10.4.11 (Tiger) on Intel and PowerPC
 
   • 10.5.8 and later (Leopard) on Intel and PowerPC
 
   • 10.6.x (Snow Leopard) on Intel
 
   • 10.7.x (Lion) on Intel (experimental)
 
 Note: The engine runs as a 32-bit application regardless of the capabilities 
 of the underlying processor.
 
 It seems that the Mac engine under Lion is really experimental…
 
 
 Would be great if it was a way to use or not the experimental engine when 
 building an application.
 
 
 My 2 cents,
 
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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 09/06/2011 10:21 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Richard,

Very often, I have 2 or 3 inspectors open at a time. Just click the lock button 
and open an inspector for another object.


Wow; it never ceases to amaze me how one can go on learning new things 
about
Metacard/RunRev/Livecode even after years of using it, just from the 
Use-List.




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On 6 sep 2011, at 21:02, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Mark Schonewille wrote:

In this case, the blank line is because the revPropertyPalette is a cloned 
stack without a stackfile on disk. The revPropertyPalettes exist in memory 
only, while only one original exists on disk.

Ah, right: that was the stacks, and not the windows.

Since there's only one Inspector open at any given time, why do they bother 
cloning it?



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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Pete
reduplicated?  Does that mean I have to duplicate it twice?
Pete
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On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Richmond Mathewson 
richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 09/06/2011 10:14 PM, Pete wrote:

 I might be dreaming but I'll swear I've run into situations where I've had
 multiple inspector windows open at the same time, not for the same object
 of
 course.  Unfortunately, I can't remember the circumstannces where this has
 happened.


 I've never come across that. I suppose unless it can be reduplicated we
 should
 doubt your claim.

  Pete
 Molly's Revengehttp://www.**mollysrevenge.comhttp://www.mollysrevenge.com
 




 On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Richard Gaskin
 ambassa...@fourthworld.com**wrote:

  Mark Schonewille wrote:

  In this case, the blank line is because the revPropertyPalette is a
 cloned
 stack without a stackfile on disk. The revPropertyPalettes exist in
 memory
 only, while only one original exists on disk.

  Ah, right: that was the stacks, and not the windows.

 Since there's only one Inspector open at any given time, why do they
 bother
 cloning it?

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Re: LiveCode 4.6.4

2011-09-06 Thread Warren Samples

On 09/06/2011 02:24 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

SSSHHH! We are not supposed to even KNOW there is a 4.6.4. But seriously, this 
is not the forum for pre-release versions. Did you get an email telling you 
where to post beta issues?

Bob



Final public release was announced today.

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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 09/06/2011 10:28 PM, Pete wrote:

reduplicated?  Does that mean I have to duplicate it twice?
Pete
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Beer . . .



On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Richmond Mathewson
richmondmathew...@gmail.com  wrote:


On 09/06/2011 10:14 PM, Pete wrote:


I might be dreaming but I'll swear I've run into situations where I've had
multiple inspector windows open at the same time, not for the same object
of
course.  Unfortunately, I can't remember the circumstannces where this has
happened.


I've never come across that. I suppose unless it can be reduplicated we
should
doubt your claim.

  Pete

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On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Richard Gaskin
ambassa...@fourthworld.com**wrote:

  Mark Schonewille wrote:

  In this case, the blank line is because the revPropertyPalette is a

cloned
stack without a stackfile on disk. The revPropertyPalettes exist in
memory
only, while only one original exists on disk.

  Ah, right: that was the stacks, and not the windows.

Since there's only one Inspector open at any given time, why do they
bother
cloning it?

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Re: LiveCode 4.6.4

2011-09-06 Thread Roger Eller
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Warren Samples wrote:

 On 09/06/2011 02:24 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

 SSSHHH! We are not supposed to even KNOW there is a 4.6.4. But seriously,
 this is not the forum for pre-release versions. Did you get an email telling
 you where to post beta issues?

 Bob



 Final public release was announced today.

 Warren


It looks like the announcement ONLY went to the DEV list though...  Odd...
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Re: DataGrid: some questions

2011-09-06 Thread Bob Sneidar
I ran into this when I started out trying to make a datagrid operate like a 
simple spreadsheet. Turns out it is not a simple thing to do. You would have to 
trap for a returnkey in any cell in the last row, or a tabKey in the last cell 
of the last row, and call addLine followed by editCellOfIndex (does addLine 
return the index or line created by chance?). 

To address clicking, you would have to calculate how many rows down the user 
clicked from the actual data, and then insert a bunch of blank data, which 
begins to mess things up tremendously, especially when the user tries to sort! 

Datagrids should, in my opinion, have a little vertical bar at the beginning of 
each row to indicate if there is data of any kind in the row. At least you 
would have a visual indication that there are blank rows there. 

Alternately, you could modify the datagrid drawing routine to add blank rows to 
fill up the visual space at the end of the data, but then you would have to 
modify the sort routines to ignore blank rows, or offer a parameter to the sort 
function to do so. Also the functions to return how many rows in the data would 
have to be modified, what gets returned with dgData and dgText, etc. 

As you can see, the whole problem gets really ugly, so as it turns out, making 
a datagrid operate like even a simple spreadsheet is anything but simple. What 
is REALLY needed is for the drawing routine to create the objects to fill in 
the visible area, but NOT have it effect the actual data itself until something 
is actually PUT in a row. At least for Table type datagrids anyway. This would 
probably require a reworking of the datagrid functions quite a bit so I am not 
holding my breath for this one. :-) 

You really get a glimpse of what a complicated thing a spreadsheet is in the 
first place! 

Bob


On Sep 6, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Pete wrote:

 You can tell if the user clicked in the header by checking the dgHeader of
 the target - it will be empty if the user did not click on the header, the
 long ID of the group containing all the column headers if the user clicked
 on the header.  If the user clicked on a specific column header rather than
 the empty area of the header to the right of the columns, the
 dgHeaderControl of the target contains the long ID of the column header
 control.
 
 Never thought about detecting a click in the scrollbar, not sure how you
 would rule that out.
 
 Personally,I prefer to provide a button for the user to click on to add a
 new row of data to a datagrid, just seems more user friendly to provide a
 visual clue as to how to add a row than leave the user to guess that a
 double click in an empty row of the datagrid is the way to do it.  With the
 button approach, you avoid having to scroll through a bunch of rows to get
 to the end of data and see an empty row, in fact there won't be an empty row
 if the total number of rows of data is an exact multiple of the number of
 visible rows in the datagrid.
 
 Pete
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 On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:
 
 It is possible to determine that a click or double-click in the datagrid
 was not in an active row with data. Just get the dgHilitedLine(s) inside a
 mouseUp or doubleMouseUp handler. If it's empty the user clicked or double
 clicked in an empty space in the dataGrid. Trouble is, it works equally well
 for clicks in the header and scrollbar too. :-)
 
 Bob
 
 
 On Sep 4, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 what do i have to do to let my user to add a new row to a DataGrid table?
 I can edit an existing row(with already text in it), but i cannot add a new
 line to the grid by clicking into the next empty row.
 Is that not possible?
 
 
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Re: LiveCode 4.6.4

2011-09-06 Thread Bob Sneidar
Oh sorry. I didn't get the email. I usually get 2! :-(

Bob


On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Warren Samples wrote:

 On 09/06/2011 02:24 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 SSSHHH! We are not supposed to even KNOW there is a 4.6.4. But seriously, 
 this is not the forum for pre-release versions. Did you get an email telling 
 you where to post beta issues?
 
 Bob
 
 
 Final public release was announced today.
 
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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Bob Sneidar
If I use PowerDebug or GLX2 (not sure which one) I can have multiple palettes 
open for different objects. I think this is a feature, but it causes problems, 
like endless loop issues and I have to force quit, so I have to be careful 
using those tools. 

Bob


On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Pete wrote:

 I might be dreaming but I'll swear I've run into situations where I've had
 multiple inspector windows open at the same time, not for the same object of
 course.  Unfortunately, I can't remember the circumstannces where this has
 happened.
 Pete
 Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com
 
 
 
 
 On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Richard Gaskin
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote:
 
 Mark Schonewille wrote:
 
 In this case, the blank line is because the revPropertyPalette is a cloned
 stack without a stackfile on disk. The revPropertyPalettes exist in memory
 only, while only one original exists on disk.
 
 
 Ah, right: that was the stacks, and not the windows.
 
 Since there's only one Inspector open at any given time, why do they bother
 cloning it?
 
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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Bob Sneidar
Like when your children have grandchildren, or when you make a bunch of copies 
of a form, then hand out the original and have to use one of the copies next 
time you make more. 

Actually, it's not like either of those things. NVM

Bob


On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Pete wrote:

 reduplicated?  Does that mean I have to duplicate it twice?
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Re: LiveCode 4.6.4

2011-09-06 Thread Warren Samples

On 09/06/2011 02:40 PM, Roger Eller wrote:

It looks like the announcement ONLY went to the DEV list though...  Odd...
:\

~Roger



Yes, I noticed that, too, but I checked the store and it's available for 
download in my account.


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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 09/06/2011 10:50 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Like when your children have grandchildren, or when you make a bunch of copies 
of a form, then hand out the original and have to use one of the copies next 
time you make more.


All I can say is that if computer programming were as easy as fathering 
children . . .


Ehem . . . but I digress . . .  :)



Actually, it's not like either of those things. NVM

Bob


On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Pete wrote:


reduplicated?  Does that mean I have to duplicate it twice?
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Re: DataGrid: some questions

2011-09-06 Thread Pete
Yes, spreadsheets are pretty complex beasts.  I've never had a need to
implement one in LC but if I did, I think I'd just run Excel (or whatever
spreadsheet program is appropriate), store the filename in LC then launch it
whenever the user needed to access it.  Horses for courses, as they say.
Pete
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On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:

 I ran into this when I started out trying to make a datagrid operate like a
 simple spreadsheet. Turns out it is not a simple thing to do. You would have
 to trap for a returnkey in any cell in the last row, or a tabKey in the last
 cell of the last row, and call addLine followed by editCellOfIndex (does
 addLine return the index or line created by chance?).

 To address clicking, you would have to calculate how many rows down the
 user clicked from the actual data, and then insert a bunch of blank data,
 which begins to mess things up tremendously, especially when the user tries
 to sort!

 Datagrids should, in my opinion, have a little vertical bar at the
 beginning of each row to indicate if there is data of any kind in the row.
 At least you would have a visual indication that there are blank rows there.

 Alternately, you could modify the datagrid drawing routine to add blank
 rows to fill up the visual space at the end of the data, but then you would
 have to modify the sort routines to ignore blank rows, or offer a parameter
 to the sort function to do so. Also the functions to return how many rows in
 the data would have to be modified, what gets returned with dgData and
 dgText, etc.

 As you can see, the whole problem gets really ugly, so as it turns out,
 making a datagrid operate like even a simple spreadsheet is anything but
 simple. What is REALLY needed is for the drawing routine to create the
 objects to fill in the visible area, but NOT have it effect the actual data
 itself until something is actually PUT in a row. At least for Table type
 datagrids anyway. This would probably require a reworking of the datagrid
 functions quite a bit so I am not holding my breath for this one. :-)

 You really get a glimpse of what a complicated thing a spreadsheet is in
 the first place!

 Bob


 On Sep 6, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Pete wrote:

  You can tell if the user clicked in the header by checking the dgHeader
 of
  the target - it will be empty if the user did not click on the header,
 the
  long ID of the group containing all the column headers if the user
 clicked
  on the header.  If the user clicked on a specific column header rather
 than
  the empty area of the header to the right of the columns, the
  dgHeaderControl of the target contains the long ID of the column header
  control.
 
  Never thought about detecting a click in the scrollbar, not sure how you
  would rule that out.
 
  Personally,I prefer to provide a button for the user to click on to add a
  new row of data to a datagrid, just seems more user friendly to provide a
  visual clue as to how to add a row than leave the user to guess that a
  double click in an empty row of the datagrid is the way to do it.  With
 the
  button approach, you avoid having to scroll through a bunch of rows to
 get
  to the end of data and see an empty row, in fact there won't be an empty
 row
  if the total number of rows of data is an exact multiple of the number of
  visible rows in the datagrid.
 
  Pete
  Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com
 
 
 
 
  On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:
 
  It is possible to determine that a click or double-click in the datagrid
  was not in an active row with data. Just get the dgHilitedLine(s) inside
 a
  mouseUp or doubleMouseUp handler. If it's empty the user clicked or
 double
  clicked in an empty space in the dataGrid. Trouble is, it works equally
 well
  for clicks in the header and scrollbar too. :-)
 
  Bob
 
 
  On Sep 4, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  what do i have to do to let my user to add a new row to a DataGrid
 table?
  I can edit an existing row(with already text in it), but i cannot add a
 new
  line to the grid by clicking into the next empty row.
  Is that not possible?
 
 
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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Admin
  

I have had, on many occasions, the stack property window open, the
card property window open and control property window open at the same
time. I have had multiple card property windows open at once as well.


Mike 

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 22:19:09 +0300, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


 On 09/06/2011 10:14 PM, Pete wrote:
 
 I might be dreaming but
I'll swear I've run into situations where I've had multiple inspector
windows open at the same time, not for the same object of course.
Unfortunately, I can't remember the circumstannces where this has
happened.
 
 I've never come across that. I suppose unless it can be
reduplicated we 
 should
 doubt your claim.
 
 Pete Molly's Revenge
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: 
 
 Mark
Schonewille wrote: 
 
 In this case, the blank line is because
the revPropertyPalette is a cloned stack without a stackfile on disk.
The revPropertyPalettes exist in memory only, while only one original
exists on disk.
 Ah, right: that was the stacks, and not the
windows. Since there's only one Inspector open at any given time, why
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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread FlexibleLearning
The persistent mis-use of this word REALLY annoys me!

'Wherefore' is 'Why' in modern parlance, and not (nor has ever been)
'where'.

Back to your normal browsing.

Hugh Senior
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Re: [BUG] LiveCode server 4.6.3 fails to connect to MySQL UNIX socket file

2011-09-06 Thread Andre Garzia
It works on on-rev because they have a symbolic link in place to link from
/tmp/mysql.sock to wherever the real file is. Now, if you are on a shared
host such as Dreamhost, there is a big chance that this symbolic link does
not exist and since you are not root, you will not be allowed to create it,
so, you will not be able to connect to mysql.

I am lucky that I have my own VPS and know enough of Linux to spot this
problem and fix it on my own but this is the kind of silly thing that we
should not be facing. If the engine is looking for a specific file we should
always have a way to override it, much like we can with
revSetDatabaseDriversPath and things like that. Another option was if the
mysql.so thing would pick the UNIX socket file from mysqld who will always
point to the correct place... actually you need both, you need the engine to
look into the configured place in mysqld and also to be able to override it.


On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:

 I am using On-Rev SQL with a direct connection. I am using 4.6.3. It seem
 to be working fine for me.

 Bob


 On Sep 5, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

  Folks,
 
  I've updated the quality centre with a new bug report:
 
  http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9712
 
  As explained in there, LiveCodeServer tries to connect to /tmp/mysql.sock
  which is not always the correct location. The mysqld daemon will tell the
  client what socket file to use but LiveCode server is not using that
 file.
  LiveCode Server 3.5 works fine but the new 4.6.x series does not.
 
  I call on the users of these lists to vote for this bug report. This bug
 has
  a workaround with symbolic links but this linking can't be done for users
 on
  shared hosts, so I think it qualifies for a severe bug.
 
  Cheers
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Re: Question About Windows Standalone

2011-09-06 Thread Gregory Lypny
Thanks for the heads-up, Mark.  I’ll look into the plug in.

Gregory


On Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Hi Gregory,
 
 You need to send the entire Windows folder to your users. This includes the 
 separate stack files, referenced files if there are any, and the externals 
 folder. You might leave out the externals folder if you really want to.
 
 If you prefer to send just one file, you could use the Installer Maker 
 Plugin. This plugin creates one .exe file, which you don't need to compress 
 to send it to your users. The .exe file doesn't need any externals, so you 
 don't need to include that folder, even if your own standalone needs 
 externals (but you need to include the externals when you make the 
 installer). You can find the Installer Maker Plugin herehttp://qery.us/za
 
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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Bob Sneidar
Beer don't know no good speaking. 

Bob


On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:23 PM, FlexibleLearning wrote:

 The persistent mis-use of this word REALLY annoys me!
 
 'Wherefore' is 'Why' in modern parlance, and not (nor has ever been)
 'where'.
 
 Back to your normal browsing.
 
 Hugh Senior
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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread dunbarx
Wherefore is why. Juliet set the bar.


Craig Newman





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From: FlexibleLearning ad...@flexiblelearning.com
To: use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette


The persistent mis-use of this word REALLY annoys me!

'Wherefore' is 'Why' in modern parlance, and not (nor has ever been)
'where'.

Back to your normal browsing.

Hugh Senior
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Re: [ANN] ObjectFormats plugin

2011-09-06 Thread Peter M. Brigham, MD
Well, no current plans to expand in that direction. The way the plugin works 
now is it just changes the properties of an existing selected button or field. 
For it to replicate cards or groups It would have to be able to create a bunch 
of objects then set their properties. The internal storage of the properties 
would have to be revamped, and that would take some doing. I won't rule it out 
for the future but it's not on the horizon for today. Maybe if there is enough 
demand

BTW, I have just upgraded it to give the user the option of storing the script 
and/or the rect of a button or field in addition to properties it saved 
originally. Available at:
.dmg: http://db.tt/oid5wsX
.zip: http://db.tt/ADhYSsd

-- Peter

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On Sep 6, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

 This would be incredibly useful to me if it worked with cards and groups as 
 well. I make extensive use of properties to store things like datagrid column 
 formatting and related tables for a form. 
 
 Bob
 
 On Sep 4, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Peter M. Brigham, MD wrote:
 
 I'm making available for general use a plugin I've developed. snip



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Re: urlProgress error message

2011-09-06 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi,

I think you mean urlStatus and the answer is yes. Just search the LC dictionary 
for urlStatus.

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 Salutations,
 
 Is there a list of all the possible urlProgress error messages.
 
 Thanks
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Re: DataGrid: some questions

2011-09-06 Thread Peter M. Brigham, MD
On Sep 6, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Pete wrote:

 Yes, spreadsheets are pretty complex beasts.  I've never had a need to
 implement one in LC but if I did, I think I'd just run Excel (or whatever
 spreadsheet program is appropriate), store the filename in LC then launch it
 whenever the user needed to access it.  Horses for courses, as they say.

You can try to teach a pig to climb trees, but it works better to hire a 
squirrel.

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Re: [ANN] ObjectFormats plugin

2011-09-06 Thread Peter M. Brigham, MD
Peter M. Brigham wrote:

 BTW, I have just upgraded it to give the user the option of storing the 
 script and/or the rect of a button or field in addition to properties it 
 saved originally. Available at:
 .dmg: http://db.tt/oid5wsX
 .zip: http://db.tt/ADhYSsd

Sorry, wrong links, use these instead:

.dmg: http://db.tt/dCBTN1d
.zip: http://db.tt/Ck6PnYn

-- Peter

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Re: DataGrid: some questions

2011-09-06 Thread Pete
Great! Haven't come across that one before.  The mental image of pigs
climbing trees is quite disturbing!
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 On Sep 6, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Pete wrote:

  Yes, spreadsheets are pretty complex beasts.  I've never had a need to
  implement one in LC but if I did, I think I'd just run Excel (or whatever
  spreadsheet program is appropriate), store the filename in LC then launch
 it
  whenever the user needed to access it.  Horses for courses, as they say.

 You can try to teach a pig to climb trees, but it works better to hire a
 squirrel.

 -- Peter

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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 9/6/11 1:38 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


back to Application Browser and there one can see, at the bottom of
the list (ou, a fond [ excusez moi, sans accents ] as they say in
France) revPropertyPalette 1 created 'on-the-fly'
as it-were, from some mysteriously hidden template . . .

So, those who cannot find revPropertyPalette are being, at best,
disingenuous . . .


Not really. You only see IDE-related stacks if you have that option 
turned on in prefs. The default is not to see them.


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Re: DataGrid: some questions

2011-09-06 Thread Bob Sneidar
Nuts to that!

Bob

On Sep 6, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Peter M. Brigham, MD wrote:

 You can try to teach a pig to climb trees, but it works better to hire a 
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Re: urlProgress error message

2011-09-06 Thread debdoot das
Thanks Mark. I was following the iOS release notes. However i did look up 
urlStatus in the dictionary.

I was wondering when

urlProgress url, error, errorMessage

if there was a list of errorMessage

Regards,
Debdoot

On Sep 6, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I think you mean urlStatus and the answer is yes. Just search the LC 
 dictionary for urlStatus.
 
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 Salutations,
 
 Is there a list of all the possible urlProgress error messages.
 
 Thanks
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Re: DataGrid: some questions

2011-09-06 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 9/6/11 4:41 PM, Pete wrote:

Great! Haven't come across that one before.  The mental image of pigs
climbing trees is quite disturbing!


Deep within a forest, this little tortoise begins to climb a tree. After 
hours of effort, he reaches the top, jumps into the air waving his front 
legs and crashes to the ground.


After recovering, he slowly climbs the tree again, jumps, and falls to 
the ground. This goes on for hours whilst a couple of birds sitting on a 
branch nearby watch his sad efforts.


Finally, the female bird turns to her mate. Darling, she chirps, I 
think it's time to tell him he's adopted.


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Blocking in iOS and libUrlDownloadToFile

2011-09-06 Thread debdoot das
In relation to blocking.

This what the release notes say:

libUrlDownloadToFile url, filename

Unlike the libUrl command of the same name, this command will block until the 
download is complete, and will notify progress through the urlProgress message 
as described above.

However I was able to click away in the middle of a download in the simulator 
resulting in a partially downloaded files. Can anyone please confirm whether 
this is the way it should be.

Regards,
Debdoot
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Re: Purchasing from an iOs App

2011-09-06 Thread Chipp Walters
My guess is NO, this does not apply. Nope, wait, the wind just changed, YES
it does apply, you cannot link in anyway to any website whatsoever. OOPS, my
bad, the coin flipped again, the answer is now NO, go ahead and try. If the
reviewer's name ends in 'ski' and the review day is Tuesday, chances are
you'll get passed.

Really, that's about as good a response as any you'll get right now.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:03 AM, paolo mazza mazzapaoloit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Referring to  verse 11.13  of the holy App Store Review Guidellines
 (last edition) ,  Apps that link to external mechanisms for purchases
 or subscriptions to be used in the app, such as a “buy button that
 goes to a web site to purchase a digital book, will be rejected

 What about a buy button that goes to web site to purchase wine or cars  ?

 I mean, restrictions apply only to materials to be used in the app or
 to any kind of product?

 All the best

 Paolo

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Re: DataGrid and my headache

2011-09-06 Thread Mark Wieder
Trevor-

Tuesday, September 6, 2011, 7:29:26 AM, you wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote:

 The example is incomplete (aka wrong). Try the following... the
 inserted text is from the more complete example at


 Actually the example is not incomplete. The code snippet is from this
 lesson:

Sorry, Trevor. I *did* work through the lesson before posting my
response. The code in the lesson does *not* work the way it's listed.
All it does is clear out the datagrid entries. And I just ran through
the steps again to make sure I wasn't mistaken earlier.

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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Timothy Miller
O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?

The 'wherefore' here means why? rather than where?

What Juliet is asking, in allusion to the feud between her Capulet family and 
Romeo's Montague clan, is 'Romeo, why are you a Montague?'.

Tim


On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:23 PM, FlexibleLearning wrote:

 The persistent mis-use of this word REALLY annoys me!
 
 'Wherefore' is 'Why' in modern parlance, and not (nor has ever been)
 'where'.
 
 Back to your normal browsing.
 
 Hugh Senior
 FLCo

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Re: Syllable OS and Livecode ?

2011-09-06 Thread Peter W A Wood
Richmond

I suspect not, at least not it the short term. The Syllable Desktop OS is not a 
Linux distro but a whole new operating system. The Syllable Server OS is a 
Linux distro. I believe that it takes some effort to port a Linux application 
to the Syllable Desktop and would doubt that RunRev would see that as 
commercially worthwhile at this time. (That could of course change if Syllable 
were to dramatically increase in popularity).

Regards

Peter

On 5 Sep 2011, at 17:56, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

 Will it?
 
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Re: LiveCode 4.6.4

2011-09-06 Thread Éric Miclo
Hello Bob,

I wouldn't have say anything on this list if it hasn't been public.
Actually I found the release info on macupdate.com

Best regards,

ÉrIC Miclo

Le 6 sept. 2011 à 21:24, Bob Sneidar a écrit :

 SSSHHH! We are not supposed to even KNOW there is a 4.6.4. But seriously, 
 this is not the forum for pre-release versions. Did you get an email telling 
 you where to post beta issues? 
 
 Bob
 
 
 On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Éric Miclo wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 Same application built under Mac OS X Lion 10.7.1:
 
 - launches and works when built with LiveCode 4.6.3
 
 - crashes upon launch when built with LiveCode 4.6.4
 
 In the Release notes:
 
 • Mac
 
 The Mac engine supports:
 
  • 10.4.11 (Tiger) on Intel and PowerPC
 
  • 10.5.8 and later (Leopard) on Intel and PowerPC
 
  • 10.6.x (Snow Leopard) on Intel
 
  • 10.7.x (Lion) on Intel (experimental)
 
 Note: The engine runs as a 32-bit application regardless of the capabilities 
 of the underlying processor.
 
 It seems that the Mac engine under Lion is really experimental…
 
 
 Would be great if it was a way to use or not the experimental engine when 
 building an application.
 
 
 My 2 cents,
 
 ÉrIC
 
 
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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 09/06/2011 11:23 PM, FlexibleLearning wrote:

The persistent mis-use of this word REALLY annoys me!

'Wherefore' is 'Why' in modern parlance, and not (nor has ever been)
'where'.


Indeed, a veritable excess of curmudgeonliness Mr Chips.


Back to your normal browsing.

Hugh Senior
FLCo


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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 09/07/2011 12:43 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 9/6/11 1:38 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


back to Application Browser and there one can see, at the bottom of
the list (ou, a fond [ excusez moi, sans accents ] as they say in
France) revPropertyPalette 1 created 'on-the-fly'
as it-were, from some mysteriously hidden template . . .

So, those who cannot find revPropertyPalette are being, at best,
disingenuous . . .


Not really. You only see IDE-related stacks if you have that option 
turned on in prefs. The default is not to see them.




You are right; I have had the see everything option turned on since 
you, Mrs Gay, told me about it back at version 2.0 Beta.


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Re: Wherefore revPropertyPalette

2011-09-06 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 09/07/2011 04:27 AM, Timothy Miller wrote:

O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?

The 'wherefore' here means why? rather than where?

What Juliet is asking, in allusion to the feud between her Capulet family and 
Romeo's Montague clan, is 'Romeo, why are you a Montague?'.


Give me Richard II any day. Mind you, I've always fancied myself as 
Mercutio . . .  :)




Tim


On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:23 PM, FlexibleLearning wrote:


The persistent mis-use of this word REALLY annoys me!

'Wherefore' is 'Why' in modern parlance, and not (nor has ever been)
'where'.

Back to your normal browsing.

Hugh Senior
FLCo

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