Re: Scott Raney's new thing

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 05/17/2018 01:38 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:

awesome.  is this done using LC?


Since it's web-based, I doubt it. In theory it's open source, but I 
haven't found any links to source code, and I imagine it won't appear 
until v1.0 is ready. And it'll probably take me that long to read 
through the manifesto anyway.


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Re: WTF Worldpay?

[Jerry Jensen via use-livecode]

I did use PayPal with them today.
.Jerry

> On May 17, 2018, at 2:40 PM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Worldpay is a nightmare with every use. I thought Livecode dropped them.
> Really annoying.
> 
> I finally had to set up a 'verified by visa' account for second level
> testing.
> really annoying as I've bought all kinds of software from EU without the
> third degree.
> 
> Didn't LC implement PayPal finally?
> 
> sqb
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> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Still won't accept my credit cards.
>> Is this a brexit thing?
>> 
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Re: WTF Worldpay?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Worldpay is a nightmare with every use. I thought Livecode dropped them.
Really annoying.

I finally had to set up a 'verified by visa' account for second level
testing.
really annoying as I've bought all kinds of software from EU without the
third degree.

Didn't LC implement PayPal finally?

sqb

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On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> Still won't accept my credit cards.
> Is this a brexit thing?
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Re: WTF Worldpay?

[Warren Samples via use-livecode]

On 05/17/2018 03:11 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:

It might be a foreign-transaction thing.  Some of my cards will not go
through worldpay.



This is usually because your credit card issuer has decided not to allow 
transactions to certain locations. You can usually call them and get 
them to permit a particular transaction.


Good Luck,

Warren

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Re: Scott Raney's new thing

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

awesome.  is this done using LC?

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> I guess not really 'new' since it's been in progress for four years, but
> this is a recent surfacing of the beta.
>
> http://www.matchism.org/
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Scott Raney's new thing

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

I guess not really 'new' since it's been in progress for four years, but 
this is a recent surfacing of the beta.


http://www.matchism.org/

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Re: WTF Worldpay?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 05/17/2018 01:11 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:

It might be a foreign-transaction thing.  Some of my cards will not go
through worldpay.


Eggzackly. Been that way with the LC conferences for years now.

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Re: WTF Worldpay?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

It might be a foreign-transaction thing.  Some of my cards will not go
through worldpay.

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 4:01 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> Still won't accept my credit cards.
> Is this a brexit thing?
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WTF Worldpay?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

Still won't accept my credit cards.
Is this a brexit thing?

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Re: Material Design - any plans to allow more granularity in design?

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Given that my rant was open ended… 

Richard is a little more nuanced, thank you for that… 

Agreed, a subset of what is "required" to be in the engine to meet modern 
expectations would help.
 For the rest, we could build them ourselves.

This we cannot build ourselves…. I would put " smooth seamless, motion 
graphics"  -- card transition, swiping, scrolling, moving objects around, 
easing etc. --  "some # frames per second" -- as number one

animationEngine does a good job, by it is still pixel by pixel.

BR 

 Richard Gaskin wrote:

But in the meantime I can understand why both newcomers and experienced 
LC devs alike are asking for things like this.

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Re: Material Design - any plans to allow more granularity in design?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Tom Glod wrote:

> ..as far as the whole philosophy...I really doubt that this is on the
> radar of Livecode the company they probably feel their efforts are
> better suited on technologies going into their development platform. I
> would agree with that.

Me too, but mobile OSes are now pretty much where desktop GUIs were back 
in the '90s: after a bit of settling out they now have much more in 
common than they have differences, and a tool that wants to sell will 
support those commonalities.


So whether a nav bar goes at the top or the bottom will vary, but the 
nav bar itself is often unchanged between platforms.  LC's widget 
handles that as well as LC handles menus in desktop GUIs, so that much 
is good.


But two things we see in nearly every app would be useful here:

- Mobile menu.  You know, often from a hamburger menu or some other 
trigger on the left side of the screen.  Not hard to make, but 
super-tedious to get right.  Desktop menus are joyfully simple in LC; 
mobile menus are a pain point.


- Card to card swipes:  can't be done in LC, at least not in any way 
that conforms with user expectations.  If you're willing to go to a LOT 
of effort you can build all your cards into one wide group and carefully 
write code to handle the event tracking.  Doable, but with no advantage 
to LC over any other toolkit, and very unintuitive.


There are probably other elements that would be useful, and perhaps over 
time these will become available as widgets, either by the company or 
the community.


But in the meantime I can understand why both newcomers and experienced 
LC devs alike are asking for things like this.  It's on par with the 
level of development ease that distinguishes LC on the desktop, and we'd 
love to see those advantages on mobile as well.


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The next LiveCode Conference is in...

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

San Jose!

Dear list folks,

We're thrilled to announce the next live on the ground LiveCode conference. It 
will take place in San Jose California, 20-22nd May 2019. Learn more about it 
here:

https://livecode.com/california19/ 

I look forward to seeing as many of you as possible in the USA next May!

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



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Signing MacOS Standalones

[Ray via use-livecode]

Does anybody have steps to sign Mac OS standalones?  I've discovered 
Apple 10.12 or higher now sabotages unsigned standalones and it's a 
rather cryptic process to join the Apple dev club, create a certificate, 
and then sign an LC standalone, evidently using Terminal.


Thanks in advance!

Ray Horsley

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What Is Be Best Way to Stop Browser

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

I am trying to figure a way to stop a browser widget instance from trying check 
for an internet connection and "stop" and respond to  "go previous" button. If 
anyone has a recipe that, will appreciate it.

But questions to go the dictionary.
If I look up "browser" I see  (in tinyDictonery_0_7_7_6)

browser*
revBrowers*
xBrowser*

And they applied to different platforms, e.g.

browserClick -- Windows
browserLoadFailed - iOS and Android
browserNavigateComplete - Mac Windows

… and so on through whole list of commands.

Looking in "official" Dictionary(API) we see

browserDocumentLoadBeing --
OS:
android
linux

It looks pretty intimidating to start experimenting!

what works on *all* platforms!

BR




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Re: Internet library and LC9

[Andrew Bell via use-livecode]

Depending on your license level, tsNet may not be available.

I was recently looking for a way to force clear browser cache in  
LiveCode browser widget (still can't figure it out, even trying the  
"?seconds" parameter discussed on the list) and discovered the LOAD  
command in LiveCode. Where PUT is blocking, LOAD is not so your code  
should be able to proceed while waiting for a callback.


--Andrew Bell



I am transitioning some applications that were built as standalone
under? LC6.7.11 to LC 9.0.0. In most cases, the migrations are going
well with mostly appearance issues (due to different default fonts and
such).

This week, I have encountered a functional issue. An app (stack) I have,
as part of the startup sequence, sends a message that fetches a small
text file on a server, essentially "put URL tURL into tVar". This was
working fine under LC6.7.11 with no noticeable delay on both Window
(8.1) and OSX (Mavericks). Now, when built under LC9.0.0, under OSX, the
internet action takes many seconds to respond - sometimes as much as 30
seconds or more. Nothing has changed on the OSX box. This is a pure LC6
to 9 changes issue. Testing suggests that it is the first internet call
under OSX takes a long time and then all subsequent calls are as speedy
as you would expect.

I know LC9 uses tsNet vs the old Internet library. Does tsNet take some
time to initialize under OSX? or is there some call you need to make to
pre-initialize tsNet? Anyone run into anything like this and have any
suggestions or work-arounds?




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Transition from DataGrid in existing app to DataGrid 2 in LC 9.0

[Martin Koob via use-livecode]

Hi

I have a Mac OS X application that is developed with LC 6.7.3 that I am
transitioning to LC 9.0.

I have some form style DataGrids in the application.   When I open the
project in the LC 9.0 IDE do these data grids automatically have the new
features of DataGrid 2 or do I have to replace the DataGrids with new ones
to get all the DataGrid 2 features.

Any other hints on transitioning DataGrids would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Martin Koob




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Re: Web fonts

[Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode]

Web fonts are usually .woff and LiveCode can’t use that internally, AFAIK. But 
if you use the browser widget they do work! You can of course download the font 
in .ttf format and use it that way but then make sure that the licence allow 
you to do that.

Håkan Liljegren

On 17 May 2018, 00:34 +0200, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> I've never tried it ...but the easy way to test is to
>
> "set the htmltext of field "Text" to html_text" .. if your html has inline
> font definition  chances are it should work. let us know.
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
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> > Crazy question, but is it possible to use a web font within a
> > internet-connected LiveCode application?
> >
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