Re: Livecode Array Encoding / Decoding using other platforms?

[ambassador--- via use-livecode]

Tom Glod wrote:


My LC written client will send to cloud for long term storage on the
livecloud system.. but then I will have to pull the data to 
aggregate,

count, and analyze it to show data interesting and useful points to the
customers..  As much as I love LC I really want to do the right thing 
and

use a high performing language to do that.  Something like Rust.


Rust has a reputation for performing on par or better than C++, but not 
C. If speed alone is the language determiner, why not C?



Each new (1) customer (a school) will usually be 1500+ users who create
150,000+ records or more.  So it will add up quickly.


I don't know the details of the aggregate operations, but my first 
reaction to queries across millions of records is that storage and 
deserialization speed aren't as big an opportunity for performance as 
not brute-forcing your way through the records at all, using an index 
instead.


-- rg/4w

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.5.0 DP-1

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

If it’s business only that’s the single dumbest bit of reasoning I’ve seen LC 
do (and I’ve seen some doozies). Stuff em. I’ll build one and make it available 
for all Indy users for free just to pee over their weird business decisions 
like this. I’ve used the iOS version by merg frequently as an Indy user and 
lamented the lack of android version for broader platform support. 

I’m convinced, though, this must be an overall typo and that it IS available 
for Indy users and not business only. I just can’t imagine they’ve been so 
short-sighted (unless theyve got a real good reason why, like licensing cost or 
what have you). They are not complete imbeciles! I hope. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Prod Ltd

> On 21 May 2019, at 20:00, JJS via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> ok i'll put my dissapointment on hold for a while :-D
> 
> Op 21-5-2019 om 20:13 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
>> It's only a Developer Preview. This is the time to get things sorted. If it 
>> gets to Release Candidate and is missing something you need, THEN be 
>> disappointed. :-)
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2019, at 10:50 , JJS via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> this is a bit of a dissapointment...
>>> 
>>> Because when i look at mergAVcamStartbarcodereader it is available for iOs 
>>> in Indy, according the dictionary.
>>> 
>>> But not for Android, then it is business.
>>> 
>>> Why is there difference?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Jerry
>> 
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Re: repeat with times

[dunbarxx via use-livecode]

Hi.

What Ludovic suggests is not just a shortCut. You can say:

repeat 5

or repeat 5 times

but you could never say:

repeat with y =1 to 5 times

It is not a regression, that is, something in the latest v.9 build, it is
bad syntax.

Craig



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Re: [ANN] Release 9.5.0 DP-1

[JJS via use-livecode]

ok i'll put my dissapointment on hold for a while :-D

Op 21-5-2019 om 20:13 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:

It's only a Developer Preview. This is the time to get things sorted. If it 
gets to Release Candidate and is missing something you need, THEN be 
disappointed. :-)

Bob S



On May 21, 2019, at 10:50 , JJS via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi,


this is a bit of a dissapointment...

Because when i look at mergAVcamStartbarcodereader it is available for iOs in 
Indy, according the dictionary.

But not for Android, then it is business.

Why is there difference?


Thanks.

Jerry


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Re: repeat with times

[Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode]

> Le 21 mai 2019 à 20:24, Andrew Bell via use-livecode 
>  a écrit :
> 
> I'm excited to try some of the new features of LC 9.5 but found a regression 
> that has me dead in the water. Went to file a bug report, but 9.0.5 is the 
> newest version listed. (I realize the team is busy in San Jose this week)
> 
> Now that I'm a slightly more seasoned coder I know there are more efficient 
> ways to accomplish this, but my n00b syntax was very English-like for repeat 
> loops like this...
> 
> put the number of lines of tSomeText into tThisMany
> repeat with x = 1 to tThisMany times
>   ## some code
> end repeat
> 

Try just 

> repeat with x = 1 to tThisMany 
>   ## some code
> end repeat

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repeat with times

[Andrew Bell via use-livecode]

I'm excited to try some of the new features of LC 9.5 but found a  
regression that has me dead in the water. Went to file a bug report,  
but 9.0.5 is the newest version listed. (I realize the team is busy in  
San Jose this week)


Now that I'm a slightly more seasoned coder I know there are more  
efficient ways to accomplish this, but my n00b syntax was very  
English-like for repeat loops like this...


put the number of lines of tSomeText into tThisMany
repeat with x = 1 to tThisMany times
   ## some code
end repeat

The only structure that seems to support "times" now is...

put the number of lines of tSomeText into tThisMany
repeat tThisMany times
  ## some code
end repeat

I make extensive use of what (I now know since I've researched the  
bug) was an exception that let my sloppy code work in the first place.  
This has worked in every version of LC I've used since learning in  
v6.x but now throws a "repeat: bad termination" error in 9.5dp1. While  
the dictionary doesn't explicitly says that "times" should work in  
this type of repeat structure, it just always has (and makes it  
slightly easier to read). I'm happy to accept the deprecation and  
refactor my code if there is a reason for the engine change, but  
wanted to check here before going through that effort.


--Andrew Bell



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Re: [ANN] Release 9.5.0 DP-1

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

It's only a Developer Preview. This is the time to get things sorted. If it 
gets to Release Candidate and is missing something you need, THEN be 
disappointed. :-)

Bob S


> On May 21, 2019, at 10:50 , JJS via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> this is a bit of a dissapointment...
> 
> Because when i look at mergAVcamStartbarcodereader it is available for iOs in 
> Indy, according the dictionary.
> 
> But not for Android, then it is business.
> 
> Why is there difference?
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jerry


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.5.0 DP-1

[JJS via use-livecode]

Hi,


this is a bit of a dissapointment...

Because when i look at mergAVcamStartbarcodereader it is available for 
iOs in Indy, according the dictionary.


But not for Android, then it is business.

Why is there difference?


Thanks.

Jerry


Op 21-5-2019 om 19:04 schreef Richmond via use-livecode:

Possibly I'm going gyte as I work my way towards 60 (57 and counting),
but I seem to remember something floating around about modularisation
and the ability to choose which modules to buy . . .

Richmond.

On 21.05.19 19:57, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Mark,

I meant the barcode scanner only in this case because i think that is 
/ can

be used for less "businessy" things (depending on what Businessy means)

I think if they brought out a couple of widgets every few months and 
added

some to Indy - for instance beacons in indy , fingerprint for business
that sort of thing.

I still think they should have a donation type page for the free 
community
we might bring in a few shekels from the open source comminity - but 
what

do I know?

We paid for MVC in business and got the Free Levure in community and
business,  which is probably better anyway it was designed by 
somebody who

had to scratch an itch.

What Business should really be is a dedicated person who helps projects
along and answers emails and chats in hours not days - fgets the team to
fix showstoppers
basically support not "knobs and Knockers"

look at the pricing here - the free version has everything the 
enterprize

version has at $98,000 less.
https://haxe.org/foundation/support-plans.html

Xojo's pricing is roughly teh same but it doesn't run out only the 
updates

do
https://www.xojo.com/store/
same for nearly all the others - only stop updates -


I will say it again and again and again and again and .

Forget about community plus as such - bring out separate versions for
mobile that are £99 pounds and they don't run out but  updates do
Apple and Google are your best friends they keep moving the goal 
post  so

anybody serious will need the update to the latest version to compile.
Bring out a version that can only connect to sqlite not Mysql - that 
does

not deactivate after a year - if you bring out worthwhile upgrades they
they will come ..

  


Lagi


On Tue, 21 May 2019 at 17:24, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Although i am on business i was also thinking that it might be good for
Indy license holder to be able to use these widgets. But i 
understand that

the LC company added this just to Business.
If every new addition will be added to both license types then for many
there is no reason  anymore to subscribe to business.

But why not offer these new widgets as additional subscriptions for 
Indy

licenses. This would allow Indy developers to use the new widgets, but
would grant LC some extra revenue for these great new additions.

Matthias



Am 21.05.2019 um 17:44 schrieb Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:
It SHOULD be in INDY even though I am personally paying for the 
Business

upgrade.
LC should rethink this - there are fewer people on Business (educated
guess) so you at least want a few more people on Indy.
This might be what makes them upgrade - get them to Ben Nevis THEN 
they

might climb Everest.

Just my 5p worth (inflation)

Lagi




On Tue, 21 May 2019 at 12:54, Sphere via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >

wrote:
Oopsa, dis i read this wrong? and is the barcode library available 
for

Indy?
Looks like it in the releasenotes (sometimes i read to quickly)

JJS schreef op 2019-05-20 17:40:

Nice, Nice, Nice!

We can test x86 Emulator now, superfast :)

Too bad the Android Barcode reader is Business, on Indy would be
great. I don't have that kind of money to spend for business
unfortunately.

But thanks! great that we now can play with it.


Op 20-5-2019 om 19:29 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
These features look really nice! I'll play with it. Out of 
curiosity,

has anyone addressed the nested behaviors for datagrids issue? The
latest 9.0.4 does not seem to implement this.

Bob S



On May 20, 2019, at 10:04 , panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
>

wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1.

Developer Preview Release
=
Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you 
back

up your
stacks before testing them.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at 
https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/



or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1 comes with more than 80 bugfixes. Moreover, 
more

than
100 bugfixes, including several memory leak fixes, that were 
fixed in

LiveCode 9.0.x, are now merged into 

Re: [ANN] Release 9.5.0 DP-1

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Possibly I'm going gyte as I work my way towards 60 (57 and counting),
but I seem to remember something floating around about modularisation
and the ability to choose which modules to buy . . .

Richmond.

On 21.05.19 19:57, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Mark,

I meant the barcode scanner only in this case because i think that is / can
be used for less "businessy" things (depending on what Businessy means)

I think if they brought out a couple of widgets every few months and added
some to Indy - for instance beacons in indy , fingerprint for business
that sort of thing.

I still think they should have a donation type page for the free community
we might bring in a few shekels from the open source comminity - but what
do I know?

We paid for MVC in business and got the Free Levure in community and
business,  which is probably better anyway it was designed by somebody who
had to scratch an itch.

What Business should really be is a dedicated person who helps projects
along and answers emails and chats in hours not days - fgets the team to
fix showstoppers
basically support not "knobs and Knockers"

look at the pricing here - the free version has everything the enterprize
version has at $98,000 less.
https://haxe.org/foundation/support-plans.html

Xojo's pricing is roughly teh same but it doesn't run out only the updates
do
https://www.xojo.com/store/
same for nearly all the others - only stop updates -


I will say it again and again and again and again and .

Forget about community plus as such - bring out separate versions for
mobile that are £99 pounds and they don't run out but  updates do
Apple and Google are your best friends they keep moving the goal post  so
anybody serious will need the update to the latest version to compile.
Bring out a version that can only connect to sqlite not Mysql - that does
not deactivate after a year - if you bring out worthwhile upgrades they
they will come ..

  


Lagi


On Tue, 21 May 2019 at 17:24, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Although i am on business i was also thinking that it might be good for
Indy license holder to be able to use these widgets. But i understand that
the LC company added this just to Business.
If every new addition will be added to both license types then for many
there is no reason  anymore to subscribe to business.

But why not offer these new widgets as additional subscriptions for Indy
licenses. This would allow Indy developers to use the new widgets, but
would grant LC some extra revenue for these great new additions.

Matthias



Am 21.05.2019 um 17:44 schrieb Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:

It SHOULD be in INDY even though I am personally paying for the Business
upgrade.
LC should rethink this - there are fewer people on Business (educated
guess) so you at least want a few more people on Indy.
This might be what makes them upgrade - get them to Ben Nevis THEN they
might climb Everest.

Just my 5p worth (inflation)

Lagi




On Tue, 21 May 2019 at 12:54, Sphere via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >

wrote:

Oopsa, dis i read this wrong? and is the barcode library available for
Indy?
Looks like it in the releasenotes (sometimes i read to quickly)

JJS schreef op 2019-05-20 17:40:

Nice, Nice, Nice!

We can test x86 Emulator now, superfast :)

Too bad the Android Barcode reader is Business, on Indy would be
great. I don't have that kind of money to spend for business
unfortunately.

But thanks! great that we now can play with it.


Op 20-5-2019 om 19:29 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:

These features look really nice! I'll play with it. Out of curiosity,
has anyone addressed the nested behaviors for datagrids issue? The
latest 9.0.4 does not seem to implement this.

Bob S



On May 20, 2019, at 10:04 , panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>

wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1.

Developer Preview Release
=
Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back
up your
stacks before testing them.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/



or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1 comes with more than 80 bugfixes. Moreover, more
than
100 bugfixes, including several memory leak fixes, that were fixed in
LiveCode 9.0.x, are now merged into LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1.

In addition, LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1 includes several amazing new
features:

- Windows 64 bit IDE & deployment support
- Static linked code libraries for iOS device builds
- Real boolean constants, Infinity constant
- Math operation refactor
- New Android Architectures
- New container layer mode
- New log command and 

Re: [ANN] Release 9.5.0 DP-1

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

Hi Mark,

I meant the barcode scanner only in this case because i think that is / can
be used for less "businessy" things (depending on what Businessy means)

I think if they brought out a couple of widgets every few months and added
some to Indy - for instance beacons in indy , fingerprint for business
that sort of thing.

I still think they should have a donation type page for the free community
we might bring in a few shekels from the open source comminity - but what
do I know?

We paid for MVC in business and got the Free Levure in community and
business,  which is probably better anyway it was designed by somebody who
had to scratch an itch.

What Business should really be is a dedicated person who helps projects
along and answers emails and chats in hours not days - fgets the team to
fix showstoppers
basically support not "knobs and Knockers"

look at the pricing here - the free version has everything the enterprize
version has at $98,000 less.
https://haxe.org/foundation/support-plans.html

Xojo's pricing is roughly teh same but it doesn't run out only the updates
do
https://www.xojo.com/store/
same for nearly all the others - only stop updates -


I will say it again and again and again and again and .

Forget about community plus as such - bring out separate versions for
mobile that are £99 pounds and they don't run out but  updates do
Apple and Google are your best friends they keep moving the goal post  so
anybody serious will need the update to the latest version to compile.
Bring out a version that can only connect to sqlite not Mysql - that does
not deactivate after a year - if you bring out worthwhile upgrades they
they will come ..

 


Lagi


On Tue, 21 May 2019 at 17:24, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Although i am on business i was also thinking that it might be good for
> Indy license holder to be able to use these widgets. But i understand that
> the LC company added this just to Business.
> If every new addition will be added to both license types then for many
> there is no reason  anymore to subscribe to business.
>
> But why not offer these new widgets as additional subscriptions for Indy
> licenses. This would allow Indy developers to use the new widgets, but
> would grant LC some extra revenue for these great new additions.
>
> Matthias
>
>
> > Am 21.05.2019 um 17:44 schrieb Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:
> >
> > It SHOULD be in INDY even though I am personally paying for the Business
> > upgrade.
> > LC should rethink this - there are fewer people on Business (educated
> > guess) so you at least want a few more people on Indy.
> > This might be what makes them upgrade - get them to Ben Nevis THEN they
> > might climb Everest.
> >
> > Just my 5p worth (inflation)
> >
> > Lagi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 21 May 2019 at 12:54, Sphere via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >
> wrote:
> >
> >> Oopsa, dis i read this wrong? and is the barcode library available for
> >> Indy?
> >> Looks like it in the releasenotes (sometimes i read to quickly)
> >>
> >> JJS schreef op 2019-05-20 17:40:
> >>> Nice, Nice, Nice!
> >>>
> >>> We can test x86 Emulator now, superfast :)
> >>>
> >>> Too bad the Android Barcode reader is Business, on Indy would be
> >>> great. I don't have that kind of money to spend for business
> >>> unfortunately.
> >>>
> >>> But thanks! great that we now can play with it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Op 20-5-2019 om 19:29 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
>  These features look really nice! I'll play with it. Out of curiosity,
>  has anyone addressed the nested behaviors for datagrids issue? The
>  latest 9.0.4 does not seem to implement this.
> 
>  Bob S
> 
> 
> > On May 20, 2019, at 10:04 , panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
> > mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear list members,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1.
> >
> > Developer Preview Release
> > =
> > Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back
> > up your
> > stacks before testing them.
> >
> >
> > Getting the Release
> > ===
> > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> 
> > or via
> > the automatic updater.
> >
> >
> > Release Contents
> > 
> > LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1 comes with more than 80 bugfixes. Moreover, more
> > than
> > 100 bugfixes, including several memory leak fixes, that were fixed in
> > LiveCode 9.0.x, are now merged into LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1.
> >
> > In addition, LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1 includes several amazing new
> > features:
> >
> > - Windows 64 bit IDE & deployment 

Re: [ANN] Release 9.5.0 DP-1

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

This goes to my point about why certain things you want to use are bundled into 
version you cannot afford. I would much rather subscribe to certain add-ons but 
we all decided on this awhay back when the licensing model was put forth, and 
also I can see that someone might only purchase an add-on for the year they are 
developing a project that uses it. It would be a difficult system to manage. 

Bob S


> On May 21, 2019, at 09:24 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Although i am on business i was also thinking that it might be good for Indy 
> license holder to be able to use these widgets. But i understand that the LC 
> company added this just to Business.
> If every new addition will be added to both license types then for many there 
> is no reason  anymore to subscribe to business.
> 
> But why not offer these new widgets as additional subscriptions for Indy 
> licenses. This would allow Indy developers to use the new widgets, but would 
> grant LC some extra revenue for these great new additions.
> 
> Matthias


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.5.0 DP-1

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Although i am on business i was also thinking that it might be good for Indy 
license holder to be able to use these widgets. But i understand that the LC 
company added this just to Business.
If every new addition will be added to both license types then for many there 
is no reason  anymore to subscribe to business.

But why not offer these new widgets as additional subscriptions for Indy 
licenses. This would allow Indy developers to use the new widgets, but would 
grant LC some extra revenue for these great new additions.

Matthias


> Am 21.05.2019 um 17:44 schrieb Lagi Pittas via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> It SHOULD be in INDY even though I am personally paying for the Business
> upgrade.
> LC should rethink this - there are fewer people on Business (educated
> guess) so you at least want a few more people on Indy.
> This might be what makes them upgrade - get them to Ben Nevis THEN they
> might climb Everest.
> 
> Just my 5p worth (inflation)
> 
> Lagi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 21 May 2019 at 12:54, Sphere via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > wrote:
> 
>> Oopsa, dis i read this wrong? and is the barcode library available for
>> Indy?
>> Looks like it in the releasenotes (sometimes i read to quickly)
>> 
>> JJS schreef op 2019-05-20 17:40:
>>> Nice, Nice, Nice!
>>> 
>>> We can test x86 Emulator now, superfast :)
>>> 
>>> Too bad the Android Barcode reader is Business, on Indy would be
>>> great. I don't have that kind of money to spend for business
>>> unfortunately.
>>> 
>>> But thanks! great that we now can play with it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Op 20-5-2019 om 19:29 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
 These features look really nice! I'll play with it. Out of curiosity,
 has anyone addressed the nested behaviors for datagrids issue? The
 latest 9.0.4 does not seem to implement this.
 
 Bob S
 
 
> On May 20, 2019, at 10:04 , panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1.
> 
> Developer Preview Release
> =
> Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back
> up your
> stacks before testing them.
> 
> 
> Getting the Release
> ===
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ 
> 
> or via
> the automatic updater.
> 
> 
> Release Contents
> 
> LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1 comes with more than 80 bugfixes. Moreover, more
> than
> 100 bugfixes, including several memory leak fixes, that were fixed in
> LiveCode 9.0.x, are now merged into LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1.
> 
> In addition, LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1 includes several amazing new
> features:
> 
> - Windows 64 bit IDE & deployment support
> - Static linked code libraries for iOS device builds
> - Real boolean constants, Infinity constant
> - Math operation refactor
> - New Android Architectures
> - New container layer mode
> - New log command and logMessage property
> - Implement filter where clause
> - Progress, isSecure and allowUserInteraction features added to
> browser
> widget
> - New returnKeyType & keyboardType field property
> - Improved sort international to support lots of additional locales
> - Updated SQLite lib to the latest version (v3.28.0)
> - Added support for URI filenames and JSON storage/retrieval in
> SQLite DBs
> - Implemented modifier key state access for LCB (e.g. “key is down”)
> - Implemented clip to path for LCB
> - Several enhancements to Tree View Widget
> - New mobileSetKeyboardDisplay and mobileGetKeyboardDisplay handlers
> - mobileSetKeyboardReturnKey on android
> - PDF Widget (Business Edition)
> - Android Barcode Scanner widget (Business Edition)
> - Mac status menu library
> 
> 
> Known issues
> 
> 
> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux
> distros with
> Cinnamon window manager.
> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64
> bit LTS
> yet.
> 
> The full release notes are available from:
> 
> 
>> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_5_0/LiveCodeNotes-9_5_0_dp_1.pdf 
>> 
> 
> 
> Feedback
> 
> Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
> http://quality.livecode.com/
> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.5.0 DP-1

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

It SHOULD be in INDY even though I am personally paying for the Business
upgrade.
LC should rethink this - there are fewer people on Business (educated
guess) so you at least want a few more people on Indy.
This might be what makes them upgrade - get them to Ben Nevis THEN they
might climb Everest.

Just my 5p worth (inflation)

Lagi




On Tue, 21 May 2019 at 12:54, Sphere via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Oopsa, dis i read this wrong? and is the barcode library available for
> Indy?
> Looks like it in the releasenotes (sometimes i read to quickly)
>
> JJS schreef op 2019-05-20 17:40:
> > Nice, Nice, Nice!
> >
> > We can test x86 Emulator now, superfast :)
> >
> > Too bad the Android Barcode reader is Business, on Indy would be
> > great. I don't have that kind of money to spend for business
> > unfortunately.
> >
> > But thanks! great that we now can play with it.
> >
> >
> > Op 20-5-2019 om 19:29 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
> >> These features look really nice! I'll play with it. Out of curiosity,
> >> has anyone addressed the nested behaviors for datagrids issue? The
> >> latest 9.0.4 does not seem to implement this.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 20, 2019, at 10:04 , panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear list members,
> >>>
> >>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1.
> >>>
> >>> Developer Preview Release
> >>> =
> >>> Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back
> >>> up your
> >>> stacks before testing them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Getting the Release
> >>> ===
> >>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> >>> or via
> >>> the automatic updater.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Release Contents
> >>> 
> >>> LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1 comes with more than 80 bugfixes. Moreover, more
> >>> than
> >>> 100 bugfixes, including several memory leak fixes, that were fixed in
> >>> LiveCode 9.0.x, are now merged into LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1.
> >>>
> >>> In addition, LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1 includes several amazing new
> >>> features:
> >>>
> >>> - Windows 64 bit IDE & deployment support
> >>> - Static linked code libraries for iOS device builds
> >>> - Real boolean constants, Infinity constant
> >>> - Math operation refactor
> >>> - New Android Architectures
> >>> - New container layer mode
> >>> - New log command and logMessage property
> >>> - Implement filter where clause
> >>> - Progress, isSecure and allowUserInteraction features added to
> >>> browser
> >>> widget
> >>> - New returnKeyType & keyboardType field property
> >>> - Improved sort international to support lots of additional locales
> >>> - Updated SQLite lib to the latest version (v3.28.0)
> >>> - Added support for URI filenames and JSON storage/retrieval in
> >>> SQLite DBs
> >>> - Implemented modifier key state access for LCB (e.g. “key is down”)
> >>> - Implemented clip to path for LCB
> >>> - Several enhancements to Tree View Widget
> >>> - New mobileSetKeyboardDisplay and mobileGetKeyboardDisplay handlers
> >>> - mobileSetKeyboardReturnKey on android
> >>> - PDF Widget (Business Edition)
> >>> - Android Barcode Scanner widget (Business Edition)
> >>> - Mac status menu library
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Known issues
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux
> >>> distros with
> >>> Cinnamon window manager.
> >>> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64
> >>> bit LTS
> >>> yet.
> >>>
> >>> The full release notes are available from:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_5_0/LiveCodeNotes-9_5_0_dp_1.pdf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Feedback
> >>> 
> >>> Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/
> >>>
> >>> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> >>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
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9.5 layerClipRect

[Michael Kristensen via use-livecode]

Hi there

layerClipRect is a nice addition to LiveCode.

Made a little experiment with the code from the Dictionary

// Hide 10 pixels from the border of image "myImage"
local tRect
put the rect of image "myImage" into tRect
add 10 to item 1 of tRect
add 10 to item 2 of tRect
subtract 10 from item 3 of tRect
subtract 10 from item 4 of tRect
set the layerClipRect of image "myImage" to tRect


Had an image and a button with the code.


It always toke two clicks on the button to have an effect on the image

Did also put a “lock screen” in there to force an update.

Same result: Two clicks necessary

Michael
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.5.0 DP-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hello Jerry,

Both the PDF widget and the Android Barcode widget are included in Business
edition, but the release notes they are mentioned under the section
"LiveCode Indy Extension Changes" too. This is because of a bug in our
release notes builder. Sorry for the confusion.

Regards,
Panos
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On Tue, 21 May 2019 at 04:54, Sphere via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Oopsa, dis i read this wrong? and is the barcode library available for
> Indy?
> Looks like it in the releasenotes (sometimes i read to quickly)
>
> JJS schreef op 2019-05-20 17:40:
> > Nice, Nice, Nice!
> >
> > We can test x86 Emulator now, superfast :)
> >
> > Too bad the Android Barcode reader is Business, on Indy would be
> > great. I don't have that kind of money to spend for business
> > unfortunately.
> >
> > But thanks! great that we now can play with it.
> >
> >
> > Op 20-5-2019 om 19:29 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
> >> These features look really nice! I'll play with it. Out of curiosity,
> >> has anyone addressed the nested behaviors for datagrids issue? The
> >> latest 9.0.4 does not seem to implement this.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 20, 2019, at 10:04 , panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear list members,
> >>>
> >>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1.
> >>>
> >>> Developer Preview Release
> >>> =
> >>> Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back
> >>> up your
> >>> stacks before testing them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Getting the Release
> >>> ===
> >>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> >>> or via
> >>> the automatic updater.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Release Contents
> >>> 
> >>> LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1 comes with more than 80 bugfixes. Moreover, more
> >>> than
> >>> 100 bugfixes, including several memory leak fixes, that were fixed in
> >>> LiveCode 9.0.x, are now merged into LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1.
> >>>
> >>> In addition, LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1 includes several amazing new
> >>> features:
> >>>
> >>> - Windows 64 bit IDE & deployment support
> >>> - Static linked code libraries for iOS device builds
> >>> - Real boolean constants, Infinity constant
> >>> - Math operation refactor
> >>> - New Android Architectures
> >>> - New container layer mode
> >>> - New log command and logMessage property
> >>> - Implement filter where clause
> >>> - Progress, isSecure and allowUserInteraction features added to
> >>> browser
> >>> widget
> >>> - New returnKeyType & keyboardType field property
> >>> - Improved sort international to support lots of additional locales
> >>> - Updated SQLite lib to the latest version (v3.28.0)
> >>> - Added support for URI filenames and JSON storage/retrieval in
> >>> SQLite DBs
> >>> - Implemented modifier key state access for LCB (e.g. “key is down”)
> >>> - Implemented clip to path for LCB
> >>> - Several enhancements to Tree View Widget
> >>> - New mobileSetKeyboardDisplay and mobileGetKeyboardDisplay handlers
> >>> - mobileSetKeyboardReturnKey on android
> >>> - PDF Widget (Business Edition)
> >>> - Android Barcode Scanner widget (Business Edition)
> >>> - Mac status menu library
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Known issues
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux
> >>> distros with
> >>> Cinnamon window manager.
> >>> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64
> >>> bit LTS
> >>> yet.
> >>>
> >>> The full release notes are available from:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_5_0/LiveCodeNotes-9_5_0_dp_1.pdf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Feedback
> >>> 
> >>> Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/
> >>>
> >>> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> >>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
> >>>
> >>> Have fun!
> >>> The LiveCode Team
> >>> --
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Re: Livecode Array Encoding / Decoding using other platforms?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Bob,

Yup got it ..i'll convert and store as Json and base encode any
binary chunks i need to store as part of it.

Thanks

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:23 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have a routine that will convert an array to an sql table. That is
> probably going to be your best bet, but it would have to be stored that
> way.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On May 21, 2019, at 07:08 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > My LC written client will send to cloud for long term storage on the
> > livecloud system.. but then I will have to pull the data to
> aggregate,
> > count, and analyze it to show data interesting and useful points to the
> > customers..  As much as I love LC I really want to do the right thing and
> > use a high performing language to do that.  Something like Rust.
> >
> > Each new (1) customer (a school) will usually be 1500+ users who create
> > 150,000+ records or more.  So it will add up quickly.
> >
> > I think I will convert to JSON on its way out from the client and going
> to
> > storage. That way the cost of that conversion is not paid by the cloud
> > service but the client.
> >
> > Thanks RG
>
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Re: Livecode Array Encoding / Decoding using other platforms?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I have a routine that will convert an array to an sql table. That is probably 
going to be your best bet, but it would have to be stored that way. 

Bob S


> On May 21, 2019, at 07:08 , Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> My LC written client will send to cloud for long term storage on the
> livecloud system.. but then I will have to pull the data to aggregate,
> count, and analyze it to show data interesting and useful points to the
> customers..  As much as I love LC I really want to do the right thing and
> use a high performing language to do that.  Something like Rust.
> 
> Each new (1) customer (a school) will usually be 1500+ users who create
> 150,000+ records or more.  So it will add up quickly.
> 
> I think I will convert to JSON on its way out from the client and going to
> storage. That way the cost of that conversion is not paid by the cloud
> service but the client.
> 
> Thanks RG


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Re: Livecode Array Encoding / Decoding using other platforms?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

You would have to convert the array itself in LC to another format, then 
convert it back when you need it. The LC array is obviously proprietary. The 
structure of the encoded array is not something that can be externally 
interpreted. I know, I looked  into it. 

Bob S


> On May 20, 2019, at 19:41 , Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Friends, I love the convenience of encoding arrays into binary chunks
> for saving and transport.
> 
> But while doing data processing ideally I'd like to be able to decode my
> livecode arrays in other more high performance languages.
> 
> Is there some method by which this encoding happens that is standard and
> can be decoded using non livecode platforms?
> 
> What can I do to learn more about this encoding?
> 
> I thought about using Json but I love the support for binary data in lc
> encded arrays, and the LC encoding and decoding speed seems very high.
> 
> Thanks for any hints on this.
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Re: Livecode Array Encoding / Decoding using other platforms?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

My LC written client will send to cloud for long term storage on the
livecloud system.. but then I will have to pull the data to aggregate,
count, and analyze it to show data interesting and useful points to the
customers..  As much as I love LC I really want to do the right thing and
use a high performing language to do that.  Something like Rust.

Each new (1) customer (a school) will usually be 1500+ users who create
150,000+ records or more.  So it will add up quickly.

I think I will convert to JSON on its way out from the client and going to
storage. That way the cost of that conversion is not paid by the cloud
service but the client.

Thanks RG

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 3:34 AM ambassador--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Tom Glod wrote:
>
> > Thanks for that tip of undertanding about the array encoding.  Explains
> > why its really fast.
> >
> > Its not really the encoding / decoding speed i am thinking about.  Lets
> > see if I can explain better.
> >
> > I can try to read C code in the codebase to see if i can see how the
> > data gets processedmaybe i will peek out of interest ...if i
> > can
> > even find the arrayencode function in the c codebase
> >
> > Its probably easier to encode into Json and baseencode any binary
> > data..and just deal with text chunks instead of blobs.
>
> What will you be doing with the data?
>
> If both producer and consumer of the data are written in LiveCode, it's
> really hard to beat LSON (my pet name for encoded arrays).  LSON is to
> LiveCode what JSON is to JavaScript, as BSON is to MongoDB. It is the
> most efficient, most with-the-grain serialization in this language.
>
> Of course, if you need to talk to things not written in LC, you'll have
> to write a parser in that language.  My notes could help, but there
> would be no benefit.  For interoperability, use JSON or XML.
>
> But if both client and server are LC, just enjoy LSON without even
> having to worry how it's made. Efficient, robust, easy to use - what's
> not to love?
>
> - rg/4w
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.5.0 DP-1

[Sphere via use-livecode]

Oopsa, dis i read this wrong? and is the barcode library available for 
Indy?

Looks like it in the releasenotes (sometimes i read to quickly)

JJS schreef op 2019-05-20 17:40:

Nice, Nice, Nice!

We can test x86 Emulator now, superfast :)

Too bad the Android Barcode reader is Business, on Indy would be
great. I don't have that kind of money to spend for business
unfortunately.

But thanks! great that we now can play with it.


Op 20-5-2019 om 19:29 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
These features look really nice! I'll play with it. Out of curiosity, 
has anyone addressed the nested behaviors for datagrids issue? The 
latest 9.0.4 does not seem to implement this.


Bob S


On May 20, 2019, at 10:04 , panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1.

Developer Preview Release
=
Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back 
up your

stacks before testing them.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ 
or via

the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1 comes with more than 80 bugfixes. Moreover, more 
than

100 bugfixes, including several memory leak fixes, that were fixed in
LiveCode 9.0.x, are now merged into LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1.

In addition, LiveCode 9.5.0 DP-1 includes several amazing new 
features:


- Windows 64 bit IDE & deployment support
- Static linked code libraries for iOS device builds
- Real boolean constants, Infinity constant
- Math operation refactor
- New Android Architectures
- New container layer mode
- New log command and logMessage property
- Implement filter where clause
- Progress, isSecure and allowUserInteraction features added to 
browser

widget
- New returnKeyType & keyboardType field property
- Improved sort international to support lots of additional locales
- Updated SQLite lib to the latest version (v3.28.0)
- Added support for URI filenames and JSON storage/retrieval in 
SQLite DBs

- Implemented modifier key state access for LCB (e.g. “key is down”)
- Implemented clip to path for LCB
- Several enhancements to Tree View Widget
- New mobileSetKeyboardDisplay and mobileGetKeyboardDisplay handlers
- mobileSetKeyboardReturnKey on android
- PDF Widget (Business Edition)
- Android Barcode Scanner widget (Business Edition)
- Mac status menu library


Known issues


- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux 
distros with

Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 
bit LTS

yet.

The full release notes are available from:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_5_0/LiveCodeNotes-9_5_0_dp_1.pdf


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93

Have fun!
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Re: Livecode Array Encoding / Decoding using other platforms?

[ambassador--- via use-livecode]

Tom Glod wrote:


Thanks for that tip of undertanding about the array encoding.  Explains
why its really fast.

Its not really the encoding / decoding speed i am thinking about.  Lets
see if I can explain better.

I can try to read C code in the codebase to see if i can see how the
data gets processedmaybe i will peek out of interest ...if i 
can

even find the arrayencode function in the c codebase

Its probably easier to encode into Json and baseencode any binary
data..and just deal with text chunks instead of blobs.


What will you be doing with the data?

If both producer and consumer of the data are written in LiveCode, it's 
really hard to beat LSON (my pet name for encoded arrays).  LSON is to 
LiveCode what JSON is to JavaScript, as BSON is to MongoDB. It is the 
most efficient, most with-the-grain serialization in this language.


Of course, if you need to talk to things not written in LC, you'll have 
to write a parser in that language.  My notes could help, but there 
would be no benefit.  For interoperability, use JSON or XML.


But if both client and server are LC, just enjoy LSON without even 
having to worry how it's made. Efficient, robust, easy to use - what's 
not to love?


- rg/4w












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