Re: How alive is LiveCode?
Lynn: Thank-you, I think that I will be looking at your DB product. Mike On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Lynn Fredricks < lfredri...@proactive-intl.com> wrote: > > I want to write databased applications to take care of some of the > > pain-points at my current employment. And if this works > > out I'd like to extend it to the full application - which is > > your normal professional billing program. > > I'm using VFP right now and would have no reluctance to > > continue using it if it were still in development. For > > ad-hoc reporting and querying it's the best. VFP covers all > > of the bases including report writing, a built in db, SQL > > support (sort of) and I can see that with LiveCode I'm going > > to have to add external tools to fill in the gaps. Thanks for > > the responses. > > Visual Fox Pro was a great product, but I wouldn't say LiveCode falls > short. > LiveCode has to do a lot more. > > At Paradigma Software, we've had many who have come from VFP to Valentina > DB > + a flexible cross platform tool like LiveCode. On the reporting side, we > developed Valentina Reports - this also works with SQLite and Postgre (with > MySQL support coming). Fortunately Runtime has consistently nurtured > excellent relations with its third party community, and we've never had any > problems integrating either solution with LiveCode. > > And I encourage you to build a front end with LiveCode + Valentina DB (you > get can a free copy of our server from our site), populate it with a > million > records, then do the same with your aging copy of VFP - then run a few > complex queries. I think you'll find our combination of strengths will do > more than just fill the gaps ;-) > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: How alive is LiveCode?
> I want to write databased applications to take care of some of the > pain-points at my current employment. And if this works > out I'd like to extend it to the full application - which is > your normal professional billing program. > I'm using VFP right now and would have no reluctance to > continue using it if it were still in development. For > ad-hoc reporting and querying it's the best. VFP covers all > of the bases including report writing, a built in db, SQL > support (sort of) and I can see that with LiveCode I'm going > to have to add external tools to fill in the gaps. Thanks for > the responses. Visual Fox Pro was a great product, but I wouldn't say LiveCode falls short. LiveCode has to do a lot more. At Paradigma Software, we've had many who have come from VFP to Valentina DB + a flexible cross platform tool like LiveCode. On the reporting side, we developed Valentina Reports - this also works with SQLite and Postgre (with MySQL support coming). Fortunately Runtime has consistently nurtured excellent relations with its third party community, and we've never had any problems integrating either solution with LiveCode. And I encourage you to build a front end with LiveCode + Valentina DB (you get can a free copy of our server from our site), populate it with a million records, then do the same with your aging copy of VFP - then run a few complex queries. I think you'll find our combination of strengths will do more than just fill the gaps ;-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How alive is LiveCode?
Hi Michael, I can only add to this by saying I am doing very similar work with livecode, and so far have run into few problems with it, and most of those are fixed by enhancing my learning curve. I do feel like Livecode has provided only the basic tools and I am required to construct libraries to simplify my use of it as I go along, said libraries to be posted back to the forums at some point to make the next guys work easier -- or as just examples of how to do things (because thats how I learned as well). I am also beta testing an SQL tool that will be out shortly and that will make my life and likewise other SQL users lives easier. I'm hoping its alive! -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-alive-is-LiveCode-tp4371731p4377244.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How alive is LiveCode?
In reference to report building, WordReport add-on for livecode has made this a breeze (if you don't mind getting .docx or openoffice formats, these can also be converted to pdf im sure with some vbscript). It helped me make a nice report engine with customizable report templates. Before doing this I was using crystal reports and it was a pain. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-alive-is-LiveCode-tp4371731p4377137.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How alive is LiveCode?
A request consistent with Alejandro's own is the ability to force typing of variable, arrays, etc, anything that can be transmitted to an external. see http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2783 Please vote if you support it, TIA!! Best, François Le 9 févr. 2012 à 20:10, Alejandro Tejada a écrit : > > In my humble opinion, this platform needs an extensive > book about creating Externals in every platform. > But that is only me. You should ask each one about > their particular needs. > > Have a nice day! > > Al > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How alive is LiveCode?
Michael Chean wrote: I want to write databased applications to take care of some of the pain-points at my current employment. And if this works out I'd like to extend it to the full application - which is your normal professional billing program. I'm using VFP right now and would have no reluctance to continue using it if it were still in development. For ad-hoc reporting and querying it's the best. VFP covers all of the bases including report writing, a built in db, SQL support (sort of) and I can see that with LiveCode I'm going to have to add external tools to fill in the gaps. Thanks for the responses. Yes, FoxPro had many nice advantages. I used to use the Mac version back in the day, and was quite impressed with it even back then. RIP; it was a fine tool. For reports in LiveCode you can roll your own but it's a lot of work to do it from scratch, so just as the VisualBASIC world relies on Crystal Reports we LiveCoders use tools like Quartam Reports. Sure, it's an add-on, but it's nicely crafted and well worth a look. With most RAD tools these days I think you'll find that reporting is such a complex beast that most of them suggest a third-party tool to handle the heavy lifting. FoxPro was very much an exception to the rule in that regard. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How alive is LiveCode?
I want to write databased applications to take care of some of the pain-points at my current employment. And if this works out I'd like to extend it to the full application - which is your normal professional billing program. I'm using VFP right now and would have no reluctance to continue using it if it were still in development. For ad-hoc reporting and querying it's the best. VFP covers all of the bases including report writing, a built in db, SQL support (sort of) and I can see that with LiveCode I'm going to have to add external tools to fill in the gaps. Thanks for the responses. Mike ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How alive is LiveCode?
Om Shanti Sivakatirswami Kauai Aadheenam On 2/8/12 4:54 PM, Michael Chean wrote: When I'm considering a tool I look at the community resources to see whether they are being kept up. For instance the RunRev forum, why is it that the last announcement of a new release was 4.6? Do the RunRev staff answer questions? Why are there so many queries that languish? Why do many of the tools including YogaSQL seem to have had their last release a year or more ago? Not trying to troll here, but just wondering what your impression are. Has RunRev been growing? The language is so elegant I keep thinking that there is something I'm missing as to why it's not more popular. Mike Aloha, Mike: xTalk has been in the application development world since the day Hypercard started in the late 80's. LiveCode is the evolution of that set of tools but like modern man in relation to an earlier sub-species. My Point is simply this: xTalk is never, ever, going to die. It is like some species on the planet that have been with us through many extinction cycles, but which has survived each one. LiveCode is the current Elephant which carries xTalk to the latest robust level, able to uproot entire forests in a few days. It is a very powerful species of programming that can eat any set of requirements or use cases alive (get you thru the project from beginning to end) faster than any other language you might try to use. Just because there is a lot of noise about it on the net, doesn't make the language your best choice. Someone once tried to sell me on using Drupal for web/CMS because they had so many hits, but that's only because Drupal is so nasty. You have to practically go to Univerisity to use it, or pay for support big time. If you get a CMS that really works, then you find the developers are very "quiet" because the thing just works and instead of spending all their time posting issues on the forums, they are busy getting content up and online (OC Portal is a good example of something that "just works") So the good stuff that "just works" has less chatter in the digital sphere, but that doesn't mean its "inferior" Alexander makes a good point that we have no idea who uses LiveCode for what. Here at Himalayan Academy Publications I/we use it for everything imaginable, desktop clients for Hinduism Today International daily blog, build web slide shows. I have an international network of volunteers using desktop clients to download audio files, transcript and upload to our web server where almost all the CGI is LiveCode. The Great Adobe's Version Cue for In house document revision control was a) a horribly buggy beast which cost our editorial team 100's of hours. b) they killed it in the end. Instead of going for some Digital Asset Manager that would meet our needs, I wrote my on revision control system for InDesign files in less that 3 weeks of time (part time). I have a few "apps" on line that I built in circa 2000 that *still* get downloaded and run fine on Windows or Mac. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How alive is LiveCode?
Hi Michael, On 02/09/2012 04:54 AM, Michael Chean wrote: > When I'm considering a tool I look at the community resources to see > whether they are being kept up. If I understand well your question, you want to know if LiveCode is the right tool for your project. Well, RunRev has the definite answer. They know for sure because they support every professional developer in multiple operating systems, including the mobile platforms. About using the forums and mail list activity as indicator of health or interest in this platform would be misleading. For example, I have never post about any of my commercial projects in neither list or board. And I am not alone. Searching in google about "made with Runrev" or "made with Livecode" brings many developers and companies that never have posted anything in the mail list or forum. Never... Some years ago, someone proposed that participants posted information about the projects they were working and I was one who opposed to this. The reasons are obvious, Don't you think? In my humble opinion, this platform needs an extensive book about creating Externals in every platform. But that is only me. You should ask each one about their particular needs. Have a nice day! Al ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How alive is LiveCode?
On 02/09/2012 04:54 AM, Michael Chean wrote: When I'm considering a tool I look at the community resources to see whether they are being kept up. For instance the RunRev forum, why is it that the last announcement of a new release was 4.6? Do the RunRev staff answer questions? Why are there so many queries that languish? Why do many of the tools including YogaSQL seem to have had their last release a year or more ago? Not trying to troll here, but just wondering what your impression are. Has RunRev been growing? The language is so elegant I keep thinking that there is something I'm missing as to why it's not more popular. Mike ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode My impression is that the Livecode Use-list (i.e. this list) is alive and hopping. As far as I understand the RunRev staff tend only to answer questions to Enterprise customers. "missing as to why it's not more popular" that, I think, comes down to snobbery and the desire to keep one's mystique: I know several C++ developers here in Bulgaria; when I tell them my history: MiniFortran, Fortran, BASIC, PASCAL, ZYLOG, Hypercard, Toolbook, RunRev/Livecode they start looking at me very oddly indeed right after ZYLOG, as they regard object-based stuff as kiddy-toys. On being shown Livecode they also start curling their lips as it is, at least superficially, extremely easy to get something up-and-running licketty split; they always say the same thing; "that isn't REAL computer programming" - which is, of course, nonsense. Oddly enough there are lots and lots of people who believe in all sorts of nonsense, and as long as it doesn't interfere with their normal day-to-day interaction with the world, it doesn't cause them any problems. Part of the problem maybe the Hypercard legacy; in that it was packaged as a sort of Lego-kit programming toy, and its successrs such as Supercard, Metacard and Livecode carry that 'stain', and Toolbook is still marketed as a sort of hopped-up Powerpoint for teachers (far from it, I had a hell of a job getting my head around it when I used it in 1998-2000). Livecode CAN be used as a Lego-kit programming toy; but anybody but the most basic users are going to want to go a bit further than that pretty rapidly. One can go incredibly far if one so wishes. I am writing this using Thunderbird e-mail client on a computer running a Debian-derivative distro of Linux: I am quite unable to see why people continue to use Microsoft Windows (and pay for it); the vast majority of people think I am daft. The attitudes towards Livecode and Linux are very similar. Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How alive is LiveCode?
Michael, What do you want to use LiveCode for? Michael --- On Wed, 2/8/12, Michael Chean wrote: From: Michael Chean Subject: How alive is LiveCode? To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 8:54 PM When I'm considering a tool I look at the community resources to see whether they are being kept up. For instance the RunRev forum, why is it that the last announcement of a new release was 4.6? Do the RunRev staff answer questions? Why are there so many queries that languish? Why do many of the tools including YogaSQL seem to have had their last release a year or more ago? Not trying to troll here, but just wondering what your impression are. Has RunRev been growing? The language is so elegant I keep thinking that there is something I'm missing as to why it's not more popular. Mike ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How alive is LiveCode?
On 2/8/12 9:22 PM, Michael Chean wrote: Ok I guess I can answer part of my own question here. A little further research indicates that the corporate blog is quite active - perhaps the forum is not the best place to look. And I can see that there is a lot of participation at developer conventions. So, I feel a bit better about the whole thing. If you stay on this list you'll feel even better -- a lot of the action is here. And if you join the LiveCode developer program, there's even more. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How alive is LiveCode?
> For instance the RunRev forum Mike, I can only address your "what's up with the forum?" question. In years of using LiveCode (aka RunRev, aka Metacard), I've been to the forum less than a handful of times. The reason being that the mailing lists is where the info has always been. And the generous help. Perhaps a search thru the archives, at: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user Hope that helps. -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
How alive is LiveCode?
Ok I guess I can answer part of my own question here. A little further research indicates that the corporate blog is quite active - perhaps the forum is not the best place to look. And I can see that there is a lot of participation at developer conventions. So, I feel a bit better about the whole thing. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
How alive is LiveCode?
When I'm considering a tool I look at the community resources to see whether they are being kept up. For instance the RunRev forum, why is it that the last announcement of a new release was 4.6? Do the RunRev staff answer questions? Why are there so many queries that languish? Why do many of the tools including YogaSQL seem to have had their last release a year or more ago? Not trying to troll here, but just wondering what your impression are. Has RunRev been growing? The language is so elegant I keep thinking that there is something I'm missing as to why it's not more popular. Mike ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
