When my relatives moved to Linux
I'm sorry, I phrased my question rather badly; obviously standalones and stacks being run with Stack Runner have certain constraints placed on them which are not there in the dev. environment. However, in my own case (see earlier postings under this heading) I was extremely surprised to find that a do fldstatement which worked in the dev. environment did not in a standalone when it did not require any of the libraries and so forth one finds in the dev environment. A long time ago (well, about 4 years ago) I became extremely efficient at dodging the 10-line script limit in the 'Free' 2.0.1 build - to the extent that I built a whole CD of musical stuff for a company in St Andrews. Now, having paid for a newer version of RR I was rather surprised to find that there appear to be rather similar script constraints. SCRIPT LENGTH CONSTRAINTS sorry to have asked such a goofy and naive-seeming question. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson Its time to do Philosophy and stop worrying about what dead men said. Mathewson 2006 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Careful - revisited
Sorry chaps, couldn't resist posting the following from Distrowatch: An updated version of Ubuntu Christian Edition has been released: We have just released Ubuntu CE v1.5! With this release we focused on the fixing some issues with the live CD installer. We have also made a subtle, but very important change to the Ubuntu CE installer, upgrade_me script, Convert_me script, Web Content Filtering Only script, and the DansGuardian GUI Only script. The Configure Parental Controls GUI has been updated to include a few new features. You can now easily adjust the naughtiness limit with the GUI. I think it is time that all the really hot-blooded RunRev types got together to develop a plug-in so users can adjust the naughtiness limit. :) sincerely, Richmond Mathewson Its time to do Philosophy and stop worrying about what dead men said. Mathewson 2006 ___ All new Yahoo! Mail The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: When my relatives moved to Linux
Richmond, Now, having paid for a newer version of RR I was rather surprised to find that there appear to be rather similar script constraints. Without those constraints, you'd pretty much be able to write your own mini-Rev and distribute it for free, eh? Just put whatever script you like into a field and use do commands. There'd be no limit what could be done by the end user of your standalone. Keep in mind the script constraints are for what is defined on-the-fly at runtime in standalones, when setting the script of something or using do commands. Scripts that already exist at the time you created the standalone can be of any length. Obviously it's an arbitrary, anti-piracy thing that restricts absolute freedom in design. But in practice I haven't found it to be a factor at all. In your stack, you want the kids to be typing Grandmother and Cousin -- not writing xTalk handlers, right? I think the only real limitation scriptLimits imposes is making it more difficult (but not even impossible) to build some kind of self-aware AI that reprograms itself. :) Anyway, I think the real lesson here is to look at programming Revolution differently than how you're doing it right now. Take your skills to the next level! Sure there are lots of styles with benefits and drawbacks perhaps to each, but just look as some of the handlers you had in that stack. - In some cases if you made one small addition to how you wanted to handle/display things, you'd be making multi-line changes to the scripts of dozens of different objects (like the check marks). - The script that I replaced with 10 statements in my prior post was originally more than 50 lines - Everything was explicitly referenced, as if you had a grudge against loops, variables, and passing messages :) - And did that script really need to be in a field, as opposed to being attached a standard control? It seems to me one would only want to do this for something that must be dynamically created/modified at runtime. Sure it works (standalone issues aside) for what you've got currently. But what if you wanted to take this stack to the next level? For example, perhaps you'd like to start out with a simpler family tree at first, then build up to the one in card 2. Or enable a student to build their own personal tree based on interview questions? Or to have them load the actual pictures of their family members? Any of those changes would require an almost complete rewrite because of the hard-wired nature of what you've got. Here's one concrete example. You've got a closeCard handler in card 2 that reads as follows: on closeCard hide yellow borders set the vis of img Y1 to false set the vis of img Y2 to false set the vis of img Y3 to false set the vis of img Y4 to false set the vis of img Y5 to false set the vis of img Y6 to false set the vis of img Y7 to false set the vis of img Y8 to false set the vis of img Y9 to false set the vis of img Y10 to false set the vis of img Y11 to false set the vis of img Y12 to false set the vis of img Y13 to false set the vis of img Y14 to false clear fields put empty into fld F1 put empty into fld F2 put empty into fld F3 put empty into fld F4 put empty into fld F5 put empty into fld F6 put empty into fld F7 put empty into fld F8 put empty into fld F9 put empty into fld F10 put empty into fld F11 put empty into fld F12 put empty into fld F13 put empty into fld F14 end closeCard Now, you follow a convention in which all the yellow border images around solved pictures are named starting with Y and all the fields where answers must be supplied start with F -- and there is one field for every image. You could say: global familyElements -- number of Family Members to guess. Doesn't have to be a global, -- could be stored in a field or even derived from counting the number -- of portrait images on closeCard repeat with i = 1 to familyElements hide img (Y i) -- hide the yellow borders put empty into fld (F i) -- clear the guess fields end repeat end closeCard And you'd be done with it... never having to visit that handler again. In the original script, you have to make two changes any time you add or remove a family member from the tree. And if you decided to adjust the naming convention (from say F to the more descriptive Guess) you'd have 14 changes. In the suggestion above, that's just one adjustment. Suppose you realized that you had one more cleanup chore to do for each image. Well you can now just add one more line inside the loop, rather than another 14. It's just more amenable to updates. Compared to the original it is quicker to write, easier to understand, more flexible, and self-maintaining. This is an example of where quick and dirty is not really quicker. Best to do it right the first time. It's kind of like the difference between manually setting the headline font, size, and style in a word processor document, vs. using a style sheet. It's
When my relatives moved to Linux
Wow . . . Bill Marriott, thank you - I got a lot more advice and help than I expected there - all of which is useful. However, the relative program was written over a 15 minute period (mucking around preparing the graphics took ages) as a 'one trick pony' for kids who have little or no contact with computers (in Bulgaria most people cannot afford a computer) so would be quite unable to insert photo of their own relatives (one wonders how they would get the images into the computers - I have each group of kids for 90 minutes twice a week, and the main task is to teach them English - teaching kids how to work with a scanner, graphics prog. and so on is a whole different ballpark). I have been known to use much less 'heavy' scripts - but, while, eventually the return on them is super, the effort involved in thinking them through is not worth it for a quickie that will keep kids occupied for 15-20 minutes while I run through their homework. There is an inevitable conflict between my making elegant, potentially extensible programs and interfaces, and the fact that what pays for my bread and cheese is shoe-horning English into the tiny minds of 6-10 year-olds. I am sure that many other educators wish they had the time, energy and money to make really super programs for their educational needs. But they don't. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson Its time to do Philosophy and stop worrying about what dead men said. Mathewson 2006 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev_rant
Hi Ya, You have a lot of points I agree with and have voiced these concerns in the past, both in Private to RunRev and on this list. The fact that it turned into a rant and abuse was thrown was unfortunate, but perhaps understandable. There is definitely a problem with silly bugs and lack of a clear way of finding answers to problems within the Rev environment - in short it takes a long time (more than necessary) to become a RunRev expert. I think it's really sad that this is the case, and, the new way of selling support or updates compounds that problem and makes it harder to sell (in my experience). It may help to realize that there is a big distinction made (both at RunRev and with seasoned RunRev developers that have come to the environment via HyperCard/MetaCard) between the IDE and the Engine. This means that more support effort is put into developing/fixing the Engine than the IDE. The problem with this is that new customers do not see this distinction until further along the RunRev route and treat it as one big package. In my opinion RunRev should concentrate on one Bug-Fix release and fix as many old bugs as possible without adding too many (if any) new features. I really think the IDE needs a big overhaul, since this is the first thing a new user sees. I would be willing to do this work for a lot less than market rate but I just cannot afford to do it for free, or better still why doesn't RunRev just license one of the existing 3rd party IDE and make that the one they ship when you buy a RunRev license? All I know is I agree that something needs to be done to address the backlog of bugs and make the IDE much more stable, I also think that if this is not done, then RunRev will stop growing and eventually die. Anyway, I really hope that some bugs get fixed soon and the IDE is over hauled. The sad reality is that in the last 2 months I could have sold 2 studio licenses (That's 2 licenses + 1 extra platform, Mac and Windows (4 total)), however the policy of charging for updates and the fact that 2.7.x is really buggy stopped the sales. I would also have purchased one Mac License for 2.7.4 for myself, so that's a total of 5 licenses lost. However in the meantime I still *love* developing in RunRev and would love it to grow. All the Best Dave On 7 Nov 2006, at 15:42, Luis wrote: Hiya, I was going to post this in a reply, but thought it might be better on its own. Rev_rant If I perceive a failing in an environment, I will state it, whether or not I decide to utilise that environment in my projects. There will come a point, if that environment has not evolved into what I reckon it should (call this bug fixes, features, take your pick) I will drop it. This is my personal opinion, no better or worse than anyone else's. The fact that others have become more vocal is perhaps an indicator of frustration, realising they are not alone, want to inject some life back into their favourite dev environment, whatever. I wonder if the current issues with delayed bug fixes is indicating some sort of developer drop out, resulting in lower sales, therefore lower Rev resources. /Rev_rant) Definitely a Tuesday. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevCon - How To Increase Rev Profile
Hi, I can't help seeing their point, from a recent post to the list by myself: Anyway, I really hope that some bugs get fixed soon and the IDE is over hauled. The sad reality is that in the last 2 months I could have sold 2 studio licenses (That's 2 licenses + 1 extra platform, Mac and Windows (4 total)), however the policy of charging for updates and the fact that 2.7.x is really buggy stopped the sales. I would also have purchased one Mac License for 2.7.4 for myself, so that's a total of 5 licenses lost. Can you honestly say that there is a better way to increase Rev Profile than to: A) Maybe, just maybe, getting bugs fixed would do the trick. Happier developers not hampered by the environment, less likely to move to another environment and releasing more software (ie: more productive). which in turn would lead to: B) Selling more copies and having more pleased customers. Anything else is just hype. All the Best Dave On 3 Nov 2006, at 16:48, Kay C Lan wrote: On 11/3/06, Adrian Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto Luis... Adrian Guys, you've gotta lighten up a little:-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev's Icon Similarities to the R language???
Hi, Look interesting! Have you seen the Icon Language? In my opinion if you could implement some of the features from Icon (or R) into TranScript language would open the doors to all kinds of cool stuff. The problem with most of these other cool languages is that it's *REALLY* difficult to implement a reasonable GUI whereas RunRev/ TranScript is fantastic at GUI handling but lacks any good pattern matching or generation functions. I have half developed a interface between SNOBOL4 and RunRev which is pretty cool and allows you to do some REALLY powerful stuff. All the Best Dave On 2 Aug 2006, at 06:10, Judy Perry wrote: Has anyone else seen this? http://www.r-project.org/ R is a statistical analysis opensource language. My husband says that it (the language project) goes back as far as 1996. Any thoughts? Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open Letter to Rev: Quality Is Job #1
Hi, You hit the nail on the head (for me anyway)! On 21 Oct 2006, at 06:30, Judy Perry wrote: Well, I'd argue it a different way: If you're steathfully (is that a word??) going to switch away from an oft-vaunted policy of free year of upgrades for a license to a this is all you're gonna get policy of annual subscription fees, you'd really better be continuously chugging out new versions to keep all the various subscriptions at their varying points of the year going full steam, or you can kiss your revenue stream buh-bye. This is the problem with the new policy. You buy version X, it has bugs. Version X+1 comes along and you have to pay to get the bugs fixed! Ok X+1 may have some super-duper new features in it, but you don't really care about them for the job you are doing, you just want the bugs fixed. Unless you can separate out Bug fixes from enhancements you are left with a buggy piece of software that you can never get fixed! Even paying (again) for the latest version does not guarantee that you will get the bugs fixed, and since it has a lot of new features in it, all of which potentially have bugs in them, the situation just gets worse and worse. I have found that I can get by with 2.6.6 with a bunch of workarounds etc., and I am not going to buy or recommend a new version until problems that have been around since V2.4 (ish) are fixed, so the revenue stream shrinks.. I personally have mixed feelings. Fortunately, I don't have to actually *produce* anything with Revolution; any bugs that exist I can 'program' my way around in terms of curriculum change(s). However, if I did, I'd be leery about paying year after year, wondering whether (as has been claimed, note that I'm not saying it's so) pre-existing bugs of a year or more have actually gotten fixed. I guess I should be especially glad that I'm not a *nix user waiting for desired improvements/fixes. It must be tough to look into a crystal ball to try to discern whether some badly-needed bug fix/improvement will see its way into the next release so as to make the pre-purchased update pack worthwhile. I know that I recommend that one of my customers get RunRev, they were all for it, until they found out that: 1. They would have to pay extra to have bugs fixed and 2. Even if they did pay extra there was no guarantee that they would ever be fixed. So, there's two licenses that RunRev didn't get. The sad thing about it is that if they had just increased the price of the total package and offered a year's free updates, plus a separate stream for bug fixes as opposed to enhancements, they would have paid it. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [REM] Scripter's Scrapbook half price offer
Got mine! Judy On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To give yourself a weekend of evaluation time, a reminder that the special half price offer to Revolution users will expire on Monday. This was the announcement in case you missed it... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Careful - revisited
Hi, I think it is time that all the really hot-blooded RunRev types got together to develop a plug-in so users can adjust the naughtiness limit. :) sincerely, Richmond Mathewson Laughing my socks off! Would be a great Christmas Stocking Gift for the RunRev'er that has everything!!! Cheers Dave On 10 Nov 2006, at 08:11, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Sorry chaps, couldn't resist posting the following from Distrowatch: An updated version of Ubuntu Christian Edition has been released: We have just released Ubuntu CE v1.5! With this release we focused on the fixing some issues with the live CD installer. We have also made a subtle, but very important change to the Ubuntu CE installer, upgrade_me script, Convert_me script, Web Content Filtering Only script, and the DansGuardian GUI Only script. The Configure Parental Controls GUI has been updated to include a few new features. You can now easily adjust the naughtiness limit with the GUI. I think it is time that all the really hot-blooded RunRev types got together to develop a plug-in so users can adjust the naughtiness limit. :) sincerely, Richmond Mathewson Its time to do Philosophy and stop worrying about what dead men said. Mathewson 2006 ___ All new Yahoo! Mail The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: When my relatives moved to Linux
Hi Richmond , I am sure that many other educators wish they had the time, energy and money to make really super programs for their educational needs. Not to belabor it, but the whole point was that it actually takes LESS time to build quickie apps like this, once you begin thinking in a certain way. Anyway, I hope you'll give it a try! (Even for your throwaway projects.) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open Letter to Rev: Quality Is Job #1
Dave, Is there really such an animal as 2.6.6, or did you just mean 2.6.1? I have found that I can get by with 2.6.6 with a bunch of workarounds etc., and I am not going to buy or recommend a new version until problems that have been around since V2.4 (ish) are fixed, so the revenue stream shrinks.. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: When my relatives moved to Linux
Hi again, Richmond, However, the relative program was written over a 15 minute period (mucking around preparing the graphics took ages) as a 'one trick pony' for kids who have little or no contact with computers (in Bulgaria most people cannot afford a computer) so would be quite unable to insert photo of their own relatives (one wonders how they would get the images into the computers - I have each group of kids for 90 minutes twice a week, and the main task is to teach them English - teaching kids how to work with a scanner, graphics prog. and so on is a whole different ballpark). I can't resist picking this one up. The obvious answer to me is to use mobile phones! I spent a lot of time in Europe, even parts of Eastern Europe, in 1999-2001 ... and even back then, cell phones were all over the place. It seemed adoption was running well ahead of the US. Nowadays even cheap phones have cameras. So, here's the idea: - Set up RevCGI on a nice LAMP server (I'll give you a setup if you need it) - Have your kiddies borrow a mobile phone and take pictures of their family - They SMS the pics to your server (email address) - Have RevCGI read the emails, pre-process and sort the pics - Your stack connects to the site, pulls down the pics, crops them, sizes them, and drops them into place - The next time your students visit, have them take your family tree quiz with their actual family's photos - Print out a beautiful certificate with the tree and words they've learned that they can show to their family Just think of the excitement they'd feel! Actually the concept could be extended to learning all kinds of vocabulary, eh? I'm sure you'd get a lot of help for such an interesting project from the Rev list... - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Home Stack Handler Analog
For the last day or so I've been trying to make some of the old HC Home stack handlers work in RR. The one problem that I'm having is manipulating the RevPropertyPalette 1 stack so that I can do things like bringing up card and stack properties. doMenu doesn't seem to work with RR menus. So has anybody made some of the home stack scripts work in RR? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: playStart message?
On Nov 8, 2006, at 8:55 PM, David Bovill wrote: Thanks all - really think this one should be documented! Yes it should. I just filed an report on it: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3967 -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On Nov 8, 2006, at 11:47 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: The occasional failure of the IDE to paste the contents of the clipboard. Is this possibly related to this bug report? http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3877 -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev_rant
Dave wrote: The fact that it turned into a rant and abuse was thrown was unfortunate, but perhaps understandable. Where things tend to go south here is not from an open discussion of legitimate quality concerns, but the manner in which they are sometimes discussed. Some of your posts may have been firmly worded, but never unprofessional and never insulting to the others here or our host. For the most part I agree with what you have to say (I feel your reply to Judy this morning was especially cogent), and appreciate that you take the time to do so with words chosen the achieve results rather than mere annoyance. If everyone shared your good nature this list would likely remain a happy place. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] Quicktime Issues Wiki
On Nov 1, 2006, at 7:16 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: Your post would indicate all is well with QT, just don't expect to make chapatis with it. Well, I don't know if I would say all is well with QT but it is moving forward. I imagine the QT team has to make decisions and allocate resources like everyone else and overhauling audio/video architecture appears to be the primary focus right now. But I think Stephan's original point though is still good, answer to Greg's issues: identify some subset of functions we would like to have in QT that are now only available in Flash and tell Apple about it. It is definitely a good idea to let them know what you want. Just some history on this though - Interactive QT developers (LiveStage Pro users mainly) have been lobbying Apple for interactive updates for a long time. I think the millions of iTunes users hold more sway when deciding where development dollars go though :-) Maybe once this audio/visual stuff gets sorted out that will change. Who knows. e.g. I didn't see any reference to SMIL (my chapati) in the Directions and Shifts of Emphasis in Quicktime 7 (yes -- very interesting and encouraging to read that...) Goal would be: to use XML to talk to the video region in a streamed context in ways that can be scripted vs sitting in Final Cut Pro and building it all into a single .mov file. If QT SMIL support is not advancing, is there an alternative that accomplishes the same thing? I guess that is a question for Apple. SMIL falls into the interactive realm I believe and so it would appears it isn't receiving any love right now. Very unfortunate as it is a great way to combine media. Whether there is an alternative depends on what you are trying to do with SMIL. If you just want to combine multiple clips into a single movie without editing in Final Cut Pro then you could may be able to automate that in QuickTime Pro or Revolution with the EnhancedQT external. Re the streaming problem on some of our windows users machines. I've isolated it to differences in connectivity that QT player can handle, but which the Rev Player object cannot. I'm going to get a bit more info from our users and will post a BugZilla on it when we have the data... I'm not privy to the depth of relationship between Rev Engineers and Apples QT team, but would hope that it got really tight. to help solve such issues. I don't know the answer to this either but I do know that there are QuickTime engineers who have a soft spot for Revolution. There are still engineers (at least one) who have been with QT since being moved there from the HyperCard team. I ran into a friend of his (who also worked on the HyperCard team) while demoing software at a University. The software was made in Revolution and he was really excited to see that HyperCard was still alive in a sense and how people were creating things with it. You main point is good: QT looks very healthy on both platforms for the future, no need to fret. That is how it appears to me. Especially if one is going to create desktop apps then the Revolution Framework with QT embedded will let us do just about anything we want that we might try in Flash... Of course it depends on what you want to do with Flash but for what I do the answer is yes. QuickTime is definitely making strides in the QT Framework (lots of Windows integration improvements in QT 7 so it appears to be a focus) so apps that depend on that QuickTime seem to be in good hands. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Home Stack Handler Analog
Good to see you here, Mikey: For the last day or so I've been trying to make some of the old HC Home stack handlers work in RR. The one problem that I'm having is manipulating the RevPropertyPalette 1 stack so that I can do things like bringing up card and stack properties. doMenu doesn't seem to work with RR menus. So has anybody made some of the home stack scripts work in RR? I don't have much in my old HC Home stack that I've needed in Rev, but you're right, doMenu is implemented in a limited way in Rev. It provides hooks only to a handful of common menu items, but exactly which ones are supported doesn't appear to be documented. Does anyone here know? To solve the problem at hand, looking in Rev's menu script shows that the Object-Object Inspector menu item triggers this line: send revBuildPropertyPalette to stack revTemplatePalette You should be able to use that in place of doMenu to open the property inspector for controls. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
UDP question
Folks, I have two stacks, one is a udp server stack and the other is a client stack. The server is setup to use the newPacket callback message when a datagram arrives. The client will write to the server then it will read from the socket to see if there was any answer. The client is able to write to the server fine, the datagrams arrive nicelly. The server is not able to answer back, no error is reported by the write to socket message but nothing is returned to the server, the read from socket message after the write to socket on the client returns empty. I've sent more than 1k packets, they could not be all droped since on one way it all works fine but on the other way they simply don't work. Am I doing something really stupid? My packet size is 576 chars, I've also used 8k and 2k sizes, the client is able to send those fine and they arrive intact, but from server to the client I can't seem able to communicate. thanks in advance, udp is kinda new to me. andre PS: Mac OS X here, rev 2.7.5. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UDP question
Andre, I had a similar problem when I tried to broadcast over UDP. I wanted a client to broadcast and a server to reply. AFAIK Revolution cannot do that. I solved it by having the server open a new connection to the client. Since you're sure that the client will reply, this can be a normal connection, which allows you to keep the connection open as long as necessary. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 10-nov-2006, om 16:50 heeft Andre Garzia het volgende geschreven: Folks, I have two stacks, one is a udp server stack and the other is a client stack. The server is setup to use the newPacket callback message when a datagram arrives. The client will write to the server then it will read from the socket to see if there was any answer. The client is able to write to the server fine, the datagrams arrive nicelly. The server is not able to answer back, no error is reported by the write to socket message but nothing is returned to the server, the read from socket message after the write to socket on the client returns empty. I've sent more than 1k packets, they could not be all droped since on one way it all works fine but on the other way they simply don't work. Am I doing something really stupid? My packet size is 576 chars, I've also used 8k and 2k sizes, the client is able to send those fine and they arrive intact, but from server to the client I can't seem able to communicate. thanks in advance, udp is kinda new to me. andre PS: Mac OS X here, rev 2.7.5. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UDP question
On 11/10/06 7:50 AM, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My packet size is 576 chars, I've also used 8k and 2k sizes, the client is able to send those fine and they arrive intact, but from server to the client I can't seem able to communicate. Part of the answer may lie in your router/ip configuration, but I am sure you are aware of sockets and connections in general. When I went through my setup ( I use UDP every day btween apps and computers), I used the two stacks by Alex Tweedly to test and debug all of my apps. Do you have the UDP Echo Client and UDP Echo server? The idea is to run the Echo Client and Server, then reverse and make the computers the opposite, therefore testing packets both scenarios to find the gotchas. If not, they are available in the User Spaces alextweedly I believe UDP broadcast needs to know the ip addresses of the recipients, which is the way I set it up. Let me know if you have any questions or need someone to help ping and debug from here. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 11/10/06 7:50 AM, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I have two stacks, one is a udp server stack and the other is a client stack. The server is setup to use the newPacket callback message when a datagram arrives. The client will write to the server then it will read from the socket to see if there was any answer. The client is able to write to the server fine, the datagrams arrive nicelly. The server is not able to answer back, no error is reported by the write to socket message but nothing is returned to the server, the read from socket message after the write to socket on the client returns empty. I've sent more than 1k packets, they could not be all droped since on one way it all works fine but on the other way they simply don't work. Am I doing something really stupid? My packet size is 576 chars, I've also used 8k and 2k sizes, the client is able to send those fine and they arrive intact, but from server to the client I can't seem able to communicate. thanks in advance, udp is kinda new to me. andre PS: Mac OS X here, rev 2.7.5. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UDP question
On 11/10/06 7:50 AM, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My packet size is 576 chars, I've also used 8k and 2k sizes, the client is able to send those fine and they arrive intact, but from server to the client I can't seem able to communicate. One more note: The script container that opens a socket is the one that receives the the close and error notifications. You may have designed a button to open the socket and a stack handler to trap the errors, but the message path is not maintained (eg. a card script opens the socket, then you navigate to another card, the prev card is no longer in the message path) Jim Ault Las Vegas On 11/10/06 7:50 AM, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I have two stacks, one is a udp server stack and the other is a client stack. The server is setup to use the newPacket callback message when a datagram arrives. The client will write to the server then it will read from the socket to see if there was any answer. The client is able to write to the server fine, the datagrams arrive nicelly. The server is not able to answer back, no error is reported by the write to socket message but nothing is returned to the server, the read from socket message after the write to socket on the client returns empty. I've sent more than 1k packets, they could not be all droped since on one way it all works fine but on the other way they simply don't work. Am I doing something really stupid? My packet size is 576 chars, I've also used 8k and 2k sizes, the client is able to send those fine and they arrive intact, but from server to the client I can't seem able to communicate. thanks in advance, udp is kinda new to me. andre PS: Mac OS X here, rev 2.7.5. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev_rant part 1
Hi Dave, I'm not sure if you intended this email to come to the list (some stuff in it sounds oddly private), but since it is now in the public domain, I'm going to reply to it. I'm not sure if I'm getting all the mail that goes to the list, so apologies if I'm posting out of context. Also, as it's a long reply, I'm going to split it into sections (the list doesn't like messages above 15kb). There is definitely a problem with silly bugs and lack of a clear way of finding answers to problems within the Rev environment - in short it takes a long time (more than necessary) to become a RunRev expert. If a bug affects you, then yes it is annoying. But in 3 weeks of intensive development, I came across 1 bug. The advice on how to fix it was readily available by dropping in to chat with my chums on ChatRev (indeed I felt very stupid for not thinking how to solve it for myself). It wasn't a show stopper, but could well cause a new user to doubt the power of Rev. As for your other remark about how long it takes to become an expert - I have dabbled in Rev for the past four years, committing myself instead to developing web applications. Well, after 4 years I've come to the conclusion that I have wasted far too much time trying to get reasonable UIs working in those web applications (I was using what became the dojo toolkit before AJAX was invented as a word/concept). I have achieved far more in three weeks with Rev than I could have ever achieved in 3 weeks of web development. In fact, I'm re-working an entire client- side toolkit (that was previously written in Java by a famous company with some of the best developers in the world), and I'm adding features to it that they never had (such as broadcasting change notifications to other users based on what data they are currently viewing). One of the things that I have wanted for a long time in Rev is integration with a VCS - so I've written an application to convert Rev stacks to XML and back again, so that they can be under version control. I'm a long way from being one of the Rev experts to be found on this list, I would estimate that over the past 4 years I've spent less than 5% of my programming time using Rev, yet I would say that I'm able to achieve more in Rev than I am (for example) in languages like Javascript or Java, where I've spent considerably more time. I just don't know what you mean by there is definitely a ... lack of a clear way of finding answers to problems within the Rev environment. The documentation is actually some of the best I have seen (try using some Java libraries where all you get is an API). There is this user group (where requests for help rarely go unanswered) - I know official fora of some companies where 20% of requests for help go unanswered. There is ChatRev - a nice, cosy place where some very knowledgeable people hang out - if I'm stuck and really impatient I go there, and after a few minutes of chatting I've got the information I need (sometimes at 7am, other times at 11pm). You can get official technical support from Runrev at a fraction of the price of other companies. You have access to bugzilla. You have 2 Rev conferences a year that you can attend. I thought a couple of weeks ago that some of libURL seemed badly documented, and after asking for help (which I received within minutes) I realised it was my own mis-reading (the use of 'it' as a keyword does sometimes have its drawbacks). A couple of days ago I thought that the pErrors caught in a try/catch was badly documented. Turns out it is a little obscure, but again, in almost no time at all I had one of the users here pointing me to a library he's written that would help me in this regard, and which does more than I would probably even have imagined I could need. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev_rant part 2
Dave said: I think it's really sad that this is the case, and, the new way of selling support or updates compounds that problem and makes it harder to sell (in my experience). It might make it harder for you to sell. That doesn't mean that (overall) it is a less profitable way for Runrev to function. Indeed, I think maybe some clarification is required here. If you are renewing an existing license, Rev is really insignificant as a business expense. If you are buying a license for the first time, you no longer get the free 1 year of upgrades that earlier licensees got. Well, sorry for those people who are a little late to the party - maybe you should turn this around and consider that existing users of Rev are being rewarded for the past good sense and loyalty. Believe it or not, I actually agree with you that this change in pricing seems like a backward step for Runrev - but neither you nor I are privy to their thinking, and I just assume that if it does not work as they expect they are shrewd enough to make the necessary changes. Now, what are you referring to WRT the new way of selling support? I don't think that the costs of support have changed, and furthermore, as I pointed out in an earlier email, the cost of support incidents from Rev are remarkably low compared to the other support options for products I use/have used. It may help to realize that there is a big distinction made (both at RunRev and with seasoned RunRev developers that have come to the environment via HyperCard/MetaCard) between the IDE and the Engine. This means that more support effort is put into developing/fixing the Engine than the IDE. The problem with this is that new customers do not see this distinction until further along the RunRev route and treat it as one big package. There is no reason for new users to be aware that there is a separation between the engine and the IDE (in fact, there is every reason to keep that complication away from new users). We are in the enlightened position that the engine and the IDE can be separated, hence the availability of other IDEs (all still provided by the same engine). That doesn't mean that Runrev have neglected the IDE, as far as I can see, so what makes you say more support effort is put into developing/fixing the Engine than the IDE? I just looked at the change log files that came with 2.7.4 and they are both 8kb in size, but there are far more bug fixes listed for the IDE than there are for the engine. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev_rant part 3
Dave said: In my opinion RunRev should concentrate on one Bug-Fix release and fix as many old bugs as possible without adding too many (if any) new features. I really think the IDE needs a big overhaul, since this is the first thing a new user sees. As I say, I do not experience Revolution as a bug-ridden tool, and I don't see why the IDE needs a big overhaul. I can find you long- standing bugs in Lotus Notes and WebObjects, tools by companies much larger than Runrev. Since there has been a lot of loud complaining about this in the past few months by several others, maybe such a release is required. It could well be that since I have only been a dabbler in Revolution for the past few years, I haven't been caught by the long-unfixed bugs that people are complaining about. I will repeat what I have said before - because of users moaning about the inadequacies of the documentation Runrev have put a lot of effort into converting what was already excellent documentation - it's now in XMl and in PDF, and there are even beginner's tutorials in both PDF and Video. Runrev also produced a forum because there was plenty of moaning about there being a mailing list but not a forum. (I'm almost tempted to go back over the list archive and see who those people were, to see if they are still around and if they are actually using the forum). There were complaints about the externals interface - it was re-written. I think Runrev have been more responsive than any other development company that I've been involved with. In fact, my belief is that the loud complaints about the documentation in the past were probably unfounded. I actually find myself going back to my install of 2.2.1 to use the documentation because for me that was the high point for the documentation. It could be that in the attempt to make programming in Rev more accessible they have taken their eyes off the ball WRT to some bug fixes. Or maybe they are hard to fix. I would welcome this great bug-fix version too (even though I obviously live in a parallel - maybe even pollyanna - universe). I understand that other people are probably using Rev far more actively than I have been, and have been feeling some irritation with long-standing bugs. But if you look at the change logs for 2.7.4 you will see that many IDE bugs were fixed. why doesn't RunRev just license one of the existing 3rd party IDE and make that the one they ship when you buy a RunRev license? I like the Revolution IDE. I like it more than the MetaCard IDE. I like it more than Constellation. I haven't even gotten round to trying Galaxy, even though I have a license for it. I like the Rev IDE a darn sight more than Emacs, or Eclipse, or the Domino Designer IDE, or Dreamweaver, or Filemaker, or Wirefusion, or Applescript Studio/XCode. In fact, I think I prefer it to any other IDE. Of course there are some inconsistent behaviours, and it would be nice to have them fixed. But they don't irk me enough to see if they are in bugzilla, and they certainly don't irk me enough to complain to the list. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev_rant part 4
Dave said: then RunRev will stop growing and eventually die. I think that these kind of doomsday prognostications are particularly unhelpful. Do you have any evidence that Runrev's financial position is suffering? As far as I can see, Runrev are going from strength to strength. Do you really think that this long stream of negative threads is beneficial to new users, old users, and the company itself? I think it is more likely to put off new users than anything else they might experience in their first 30 days of using Rev. In fact, ironically, part of me actually doesn't want other people to know about Rev - for me Rev is an amazing competitive advantage. I'm not entirely sure that my interests as a developer are best served by everyone and his dog knowing what a great tool it is. Of course it is in Runrev's interests to maximize their profits and maximise their sales. Since I first came across Rev 4 years ago I have bought updates (even if I was not making much use of the tool in those years) because I wanted to keep supporting it for a time when (or even if) I did start to really need it. Anyone who can see that it is a very productive tool for them should IMO do likewise and keep a stream of revenue going in the direction of Runrev. If you can find better tools for development, then go for them. I for one can't find a better tool for the development of cross-platform GUI apps. And if you've spent a significant amount of time learning the ins and outs of Transcript/ xTalk and the whole stacks/controls/message path thing, then it's in your own interest to do what you can to support Runrev. As far as I am concerned, with Rev the glass is certainly more than half-full. In fact, if I had the money I'd be trying to buy the company. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to place a dialog window
On Tue Nov 7; Mark Swindell mdswindell at cruzio.com wrote: What is the correct syntax to tell Rev where to place a dialog window? Example: Ask What's your name? (at the location of this wd) and on Wed Nov 8, Phil Davis revdev at pdslabs.net answered: Hi Mark, Personally I'm not aware that you can set the screen position of a standard Rev dialog, though I'm willing to be corrected. I often use a substack as a dialog. (snip) Although I frequently build my own custom dialogs, I also make use of the possibility to place answer and ask dialogs. This has been implemented in the alternative Metacard IDE since about a year. The same approach can be used within Revolution if you make the necessary small changes - only two added lines - to the scripts of the dialogs. I have uploaded a sample stack that shows a number of different ways to place dialogs and how to modify the scripts of the 2.7.x Rev dialogs to http://www.sanke.org/Software/PlaceDialogsRev.zip This stack contains modified answer and ask dialogs as substacks. A folder modifieddialogs in the zip-file contains modified versions of stacks revanswerdialog.rev and revaskdialog.rev that can be used to replace the default Rev stacks in folder toolset . An older stack that can be used with Rev 2.6.x can be found on page Tools and Samples for Development at http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia (Scroll far down on that page). === From the text of the new sample stack: Normally, an answer dialog or ask dialog is displayed at the center of the stack from which it called by the answer or ask command (on Windows) and on Mac OS slightly above the center of the stack. The modified card scripts of stack answer dialog and ask dialog have two added lines at the end of the preopenstack handler - immediately before end preopenstack - that creates or sets a custom property NewLoc of the dialog. if the NewLoc of this stack is not empty then set the loc of this stack to the NewLoc of this stack set the NewLoc of this stack to empty Line 2 of the above script ensures that the default behavior of the dialog is restored for the next time you open the dialog and have *not* specified a NewLoc before, meaning the two added lines do not affect the normal behavior of the dialogs unless you choose to determine a NewLoc.- You have to set a value for NewLoc in the script of the calling button above the line with the answer or ask command, like set the NewLoc of stack Answer dialog to 150,150 answer Does this work? As answer dialog and ask dialog are stacks (even as substacks) the coordinates you set are screen coordinates. If you want to place the dialogs relative to the stack - e.g. near one button, to the right of a field etc. - you have to use the globalloc() property which transforms stack to screen coordinates; example: To place a dialog below a button you could use: put the loc of me into tloc # the position of the calling button add 90 to item 2 of tloc # the y value set the NewLoc of stack answer dialog to globalloc(tloc) answer immediately below the button? If you set the x,y values directly instead of a variable you have to put the values between quotes like set the NewLoc of stack answer dialog to globalloc(150,300) Compare the different ways to set values for NewLoc in scripts of the sample buttons. I have added a modified answer dialog and ask dialog as substacks to this sample stack. These substacks take precedence over IDE stacks when you use the answer or ask command.- Now, how to change the script of stack Answer dialog (likewise for the ask dialog) in Revolution Up to version Rev 2.6.x the answer and ask dialogs were substacks of the home (license) stack. From version 2.7.x on the stacks were renamed to revanswerdialog.rev and revaskdialog.rev and transferred to folder toolset. versions 2.7.x - choose open stack from menu button File and open stack revanswerdialog in folder toolset - choose card inspector and then edit script - add the two scriptlines just before end preopenstack - save stack revanswerdialog In versions Rev 2.6.x this is different, because answer and ask dialogs are substacks of stack Home (stack licence.rev) - check Revolution UI elements in Lists under menu button View - open the Application Browser and click on Answer dialog - right-click on card ID 1002 to bring up the script editor - add the two lines - save the dialog In both versions 2.6.X and 2.7.x you can also use the message box to change the script and type edit script of cd 1 of stack answer dialog (Be sure to save stack answerdialog in the message box afterwards.) This is possible although in 2.7.x the answer dialog has been renamed to revanswerdialog. This new name is only the effective filename, the real name with which the dialog is called is still answer dialog. revanswerdialog can be used with open stack etc. only from the File menu item, not
Re: UDP question
I also had a look at Alex Tweedly's UDP examples when I started looking at networking with Rev. - saved a lot of time. I've also got two very minimal test stacks on user space Jock_McTartan - about 10 lines of code each - client and server. They have just enough in them to show the mechanism working. Hope this helps. JC Andre Garzia wrote: Folks, I have two stacks, one is a udp server stack and the other is a client stack. The server is setup to use the newPacket callback message when a datagram arrives. The client will write to the server then it will read from the socket to see if there was any answer. The client is able to write to the server fine, the datagrams arrive nicelly. The server is not able to answer back, no error is reported by the write to socket message but nothing is returned to the server, the read from socket message after the write to socket on the client returns empty. I've sent more than 1k packets, they could not be all droped since on one way it all works fine but on the other way they simply don't work. Am I doing something really stupid? My packet size is 576 chars, I've also used 8k and 2k sizes, the client is able to send those fine and they arrive intact, but from server to the client I can't seem able to communicate. thanks in advance, udp is kinda new to me. andre PS: Mac OS X here, rev 2.7.5. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
Chipp Walters wrote: Actually, I find copy/paste clipboard issues always occur when launching Rev. Rev seems to always start with a clear clipboard on XP. I don't have the same problem with copy/paste text in other apps. I restarted WinXP, copied some text in Notepad, closed Notepad, reopened Notepad, and pasted. It worked. Then I relaunched Revolution, made a new stack with a field, and pasted. And that worked too. So it isn't consistent. Today's test seems to show that Rev doesn't automatically clear the clipboard. I wish I could pin down when it fails, because I have a standalone with a registration dialog that users paste a serial number into. If they copy the serial from an email and launch my app, it only pastes sporadically. If the dialog is already open when they flip over to email to copy, it pastes every time. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
I need to be able to do this as well, for a registration stack function. I have awful trouble with the copy and paste function (to/from clipboard) not working as it should. You have described it perfectly. Regards Mark MacKenzie J. Landman Gay wrote: I restarted WinXP, copied some text in Notepad, closed Notepad, reopened Notepad, and pasted. It worked. Then I relaunched Revolution, made a new stack with a field, and pasted. And that worked too. So it isn't consistent. Today's test seems to show that Rev doesn't automatically clear the clipboard. I wish I could pin down when it fails, because I have a standalone with a registration dialog that users paste a serial number into. If they copy the serial from an email and launch my app, it only pastes sporadically. If the dialog is already open when they flip over to email to copy, it pastes every time. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Kudos to Bill Marriott and RunRev
I just got the latest newsletter. Wow! Check out the new QA initiative headed up by Bill Marriott: http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/newsletter1.php Excellent news. Thank you Bill for stepping up to the plate, and thanks for RunRev for the insight to put this together. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Group margin
I just looked and the boundingrect is empty. I still had to use a leftmargin of -4 to get it to work. At least I do have a work around (the negative leftmargine). It seems to work on Mac as well. Thanks At 09:30 PM 11/9/2006, you wrote: Peter T. Evensen wrote: Is there a way to adjust the group? I have some grouped controls and I made the width of the group smaller than the width of the items and added a horizontal scroll bar. The problem is that there is a several pixels margin on the left and right, so that the scroll bar is wider than it needs to be and when I scroll all the way to the left, the objects are several pixels too far to the right. I tried adjusting the leftmargin, but that doesn't seem to have any effect. I set it to 0, and I still have the blank space on the left. Although if I set the leftmargin to -4 then it has no space on the left. Make sure the group's boundingrect is set to empty. Then open the group for editing (you don't have to change anything, but you might want to jiggle an object or two) and then stop editing it. It sounds like the group's boundaries may be off, and doing this might force a reset of the edges. I seem to remember having this same problem a few years ago and that's how I fixed it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UDP question
On Nov 10, 2006, at 8:50 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: The client will write to the server then it will read from the socket to see if there was any answer. That's what I tried to do, but (unless it was changed in the past two years) that is not how it works for UDP. I would have preferred something like that. It makes it more like TCP. In my message level scripts I make them more alike. Scott Raney set me straight on this some time ago when I reported bugs on the above method. The client is able to write to the server fine, the datagrams arrive nicelly. The server is not able to answer back, no error is reported by the write to socket message but nothing is returned to the server, the read from socket message after the write to socket on the client returns empty. I've sent more than 1k packets, they could not be all droped since on one way it all works fine but on the other way they simply don't work. Open the client-to-server with a callback. For UDP the callback is not a callback for when the open completes, it completes immediately. It is the callback for any return packets. This is the same kind of callback as 'accept' gets. On the server end, handle the response with the handler for the 'accept' callback. The IP address port is in the parameters. There is a socket to that destination open. Send back any packets you need (usually one) and then close it using the provided socket id. For both that callback and the one for the server's accept you should close the incoming connection. Rev doesn't allow specifying your local port, but you can crisscross one-way IP if you don't like the above methods. If you have both a TCP 'accept' and a UDP 'accept' on the same port number, they look the same in the openSockets. When you close one or otherwise refer to one, you might not be closing or working with the one you think. It's been a while since I have used UDP at this level on Rev, so there may have been changes. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevCon - How To Increase Rev Profile
On Nov 10, 2006, at 2:58 AM, Dave wrote: Hi, I can't help seeing their point, from a recent post to the list by myself: Anyway, I really hope that some bugs get fixed soon and the IDE is over hauled. If you (or anybody) already tried it, download a trial of the Galaxy IDE. I've never seen a company respond so quickly to feature requests and bug reports... they have been added and fixed, literally within hours sometimes. And the IDE is looking and working better by the day. When it is finished (if an IDE can ever be finished ) it's going to be a thing of beauty. OK, it's an added cost, but well worth it. http://daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm No affiliation, Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Custon Modal Dialogs Problems
I've been creating custom answer and ask modal dialogs, mainly because I want HTML prompts, cancel to return 'cancel' instead of empty, and the capability to have empty be empty. For some reason, however, I'm getting a strange situation when the modal stack is launched. When clicking around the edges of the dialog, the mousedown message gets sent to a field below, which does have some mousedown handlers. After one click, the dialog works normally. It's like the focus is shifted to the calling card just after the dialog is drawn. launch again, this time when I try to click-drag on the titlebar to move the dialog window, a field just above and behind the dialog gets selected as if I had dragged it. I'm not using any special code that we haven't discussed here previously. has anyone noticed this in Rev lately? If so, I'll BZ it. Runtime Revolution: v2.7.4 Environment:development Platform: MacOS License Type: Build # 291 MacOS 10.4.8 -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to place a dialog window
Quick and dirty way: on mouseUp go inv stack answer Dialog set the loc of stack answer Dialog to the screenloc show stack Answer Dialog answer hello end mouseUp On 11/7/06, Mark Swindell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the correct syntax to tell Rev where to place a dialog window? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: looking for Xcode expert
Figured with the Mac faithful on this list there might be an Xcode guru or two... The process I need to do seems to be summed up here: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppleApplications/Conceptual/ FXPlug_overview/Overview/chapter_2_section_8.html and here: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppleApplications/Conceptual/ FXPlug_overview/Overview/chapter_2_section_9.html Rather than setting off on this journey without a guide, I was hoping to have an expert walk me through these steps to avoid excessive time wandering and lost in the desolate Xcode wastelands :-) Our offer is $200/hour prorated. Thanks, and now back to your regularly scheduled program... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Kudos to Bill Marriott and RunRev
On Nov 10, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I just got the latest newsletter. Wow! Check out the new QA initiative headed up by Bill Marriott: http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/newsletter1.php Excellent news. Thank you Bill for stepping up to the plate, and thanks for RunRev for the insight to put this together. If that is not solid support, I don't know what is. This is a great move by RunRev with all the experience from Bill Marriott to make it come together! My blood is pulsating. Yikes! Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Kudos to Bill Marriott and RunRev
Splendid! The Linux support alone is so long waited feature. And now with integrated Altuit products and new QA strategy! Wow! Many thanks! Viktoras ---Original Message--- From: Richard Gaskin Date: 11/10/06 21:23:24 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Kudos to Bill Marriott and RunRev I just got the latest newsletter. Wow! Check out the new QA initiative headed up by Bill Marriott: http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/newsletter1.php Excellent news. Thank you Bill for stepping up to the plate, and thanks for RunRev for the insight to put this together. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Kudos to Bill Marriott and RunRev
If that is not solid support, I don't know what is. This is a great move by RunRev with all the experience from Bill Marriott to make it come together! Absolutely! This is exactly the kind of thing I've seen done by Runrev time and again in the last 4 years. They really do listen, and they really do try to solve problems. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Browser, SQLite and font capabilities added to Revolution
Thank you, Runrev for justifying my belief in you :-) I was starting to sound like a fanboy, not the deep cynic I really am... I already purchased altBrowser earlier this year, and purchasing the other two came very close too. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Kudos to Bill Marriott and RunRev
Richard Gaskin wrote: I just got the latest newsletter. Wow! Check out the new QA initiative headed up by Bill Marriott: http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/newsletter1.php I am so excited by this. As near as I can tell, it is everything that people here have been asking for. And Bill, wow, what a champ, stepping up to the plate like this. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
Mark MacKenzie wrote: I need to be able to do this as well, for a registration stack function. I have awful trouble with the copy and paste function (to/from clipboard) not working as it should. You have described it perfectly. One thing you might have to do is add a pasteKey handler to the dialog card. In my app, there are not yet any menus loaded when the initial registration window appears, so there is no automatic editing capabilities. I don't need copying, but I did need pasting, so I added this to the card: on pasteKey put the clipboardData[text] into fld myRegField end pasteKey Or you might want to use the selectedfield if you allow pasting to any field. If you do need the ability to copy, take a look at copyKey in the docs and write a handler to catch that message too. Adding the pasteKey handler got it working for me on all platforms, except that on Windows it works only some of the time. Regards Mark MacKenzie J. Landman Gay wrote: I restarted WinXP, copied some text in Notepad, closed Notepad, reopened Notepad, and pasted. It worked. Then I relaunched Revolution, made a new stack with a field, and pasted. And that worked too. So it isn't consistent. Today's test seems to show that Rev doesn't automatically clear the clipboard. I wish I could pin down when it fails, because I have a standalone with a registration dialog that users paste a serial number into. If they copy the serial from an email and launch my app, it only pastes sporadically. If the dialog is already open when they flip over to email to copy, it pastes every time. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
External Writing for the Unitiated – Part I
I just want to say 'thanks' to Mark for this article in the latest newsletter. After openly admitting that I felt that building externals was beyond me, I am really pleased to know that I am going to be able to follow this tutorial and bridge that gap in my knowledge. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: External Writing for the Unitiated – Pa rt I
On 11/11/06, Bernard Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to say 'thanks' to Mark for this article in the latest newsletter. After openly admitting that I felt that building externals was beyond me, I am really pleased to know that I am going to be able to follow this tutorial and bridge that gap in my knowledge. You beat me to it Bernard :-) I just read that article with great interest and mean to try it out, although I've always stayed well away from externals before. I think there are some OS X functions for printing that would be really good if I could work out how to call them directly. Thanks, Mark - looking forward to part 2... Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Altuit sale of altBrowser, altSQLite and altFont to RunRev
Well, most of you probably have already read the latest news, but I thought I could add our take on things. Today we announced the imminent sale of three of our best selling add-ons to Runtime Revolution. The three products are altBrowser, altSQLite, and altFont. All are externals which enhance the capabilities of the RunRev development platform and standalones. For more information on what they do, please visit our website at www.altuit.com. Here are some answers to some obvious questions: So why did Chris and I do this? We have felt for sometime now, Chris has pushed the external architecture to it's limits with altBrowser. With RunRev now becoming the owner, there are many things they can do to even make it better, as well as integrate it more thoroughly with the IDE. altSQLite is the only single-user DB available for RR which runs on all 3 platforms-- plus the footprint is considerably smaller than all others. It's a natural fit for RunRev, especially for users of other databases like FileMaker who wish to jump out from under restrictive licensing terms. And altFont was thrown in for 'good measure!' When does the sale take place? Starting December 1, you can no longer purchase any of the 3 from Altuit. What about support? We will continue to support versions purchased from us up until Dec 1. We are not obligated to support any of the products after Dec 1. If you ask nicely, we will probably help out. ;-) Do existing users get free or discounted upgrades? This has not yet been determined. Purchasing a new version today does not allow you a free upgrade when RR's version comes out in Q1, so unless you really need the functionality now, you may wish to wait. What if I need to buy altBrowser, altSQLite or altFont between Dec 1 and when RR ships the new version in Q1 2007? You'll need to discuss it directly with the Runtime Revolution folks. Does this mean Altuit will no longer be making externals or other products for Rev users? Nope, we still may release some external products in the future. We currently still have a free grouping of plugins available for developers along with MagicCarpet, InterfaceDesigner, and ButtonGadget available for all you guys and gals. Does this mean Altuit is leaving the RunRev platform? Not anytime soon. Unless someone can point us to a product which allows us to develop client apps like ChartWizard http://www.buttongadget.com/ButtonGadgetSub/Downloads.htm IN A SINGLE DAY, I seriously doubt it. Plus, we have many many clients who depend on RunRev applications built by us for them who all need support and next generation products. Did you guys make a boatload of money from this? We wish. Actually the terms are a big trade secret, but needless to say, Chris and I won't be making any unscheduled stops in Vegas anytime soon. The primary incentive for doing this was not money. A real bonus is, we believe it helps to make RR a stronger and more viable platform. Discussions with Kevin over the past month have been very positive regarding the future of quality control for our beloved development platform, as evidenced by the public beta announcement made today. Thanks to all for the great support of our products. We hope to onetime again amaze you guys with some newer, neater stuff! best, Chipp and Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevCon - How To Increase Rev Profile
On Nov 10, 2006, at 11:55 AM, Mark Swindell wrote: If you (or anybody) already tried it, download a trial of the Galaxy IDE. I second that. Also, once you can set up a front end for a remote multiuser relational database in Rev as quickly as FileMaker*, and Rev positions in the market as a tool for many users to access and edit data, Rev will be huge. It is the Information Age, it's all about the info. (Then, users will discover all the other power as a bonus!) *I am getting closer to this goal, slowly but surely... Rev could help with a super-duper table object, I have the rest pretty well figured out :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Kudos to Bill Marriott and RunRev
Fantastic news. Way to go, RR and BIll! Now the rest of us have clear marching requests (since nobody can order US around, right?) :-) On 11/10/06, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: I just got the latest newsletter. Wow! Check out the new QA initiative headed up by Bill Marriott: http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/newsletter1.php I am so excited by this. As near as I can tell, it is everything that people here have been asking for. And Bill, wow, what a champ, stepping up to the plate like this. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to place a dialog window
On Fri Nov 10, Chipp Walters chipp at chipp.com wrote: Quick and dirty way: on mouseUp go inv stack answer Dialog set the loc of stack answer Dialog to the screenloc show stack Answer Dialog answer hello end mouseUp The dirty part of this is if you use a full answer syntax with options - instead of just saying hello - like answer Choose a color with red or green or Blue and then put it into field result then field result will remain empty! The only place you can put the it variable - when using a script like in Chipps example - seems to be the message box.-- What it needed here is to change the syntax in the engine; several proposals have been made in the past for such a solution to place the dialogs. Unitl this happens, it is a good interim solution to use a custom property NewLoc like it is implemented in the Metacard IDE and could also be implemented in the Rev IDE (see my last post of this thread). Regards, Wilhelm Sanke http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Non-US keyboards: Cmd-{ and Cmd-]
I have a customer using a Swedish keyboard in an application that makes extensive use of Cmd-[ and Cmd-] in the workflow. This user reports that on her keyboard layout the [ and ] characters are not readily available. So this leaves me with two question: 1. For all you folks using non-US keyboards, which keyboards do not support [ or ] as a single keystroke? 2. Anyone know of a site where I can see images or a table of keyboard layouts for multiple languages? Any other way to better understand the keys available for our international users? TIA - -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Non-US keyboards: Cmd-{ and Cmd-]
On 10 Nov 2006, at 22:47, Richard Gaskin wrote: 2. Anyone know of a site where I can see images or a table of keyboard layouts for multiple languages? Any other way to better understand the keys available for our international users? Try here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to place a dialog window
Another detail: If you use the dirty script on mouseup go inv stack answer Dialog set the loc of stack answer Dialog to 200,200 show stack Answer Dialog answer Choose a color with red or green or blue set the backcolor of fld 1 to it end mouseup then field 1 of the answer dialog is being colored! If you have named field 1 of the stack that contains the calling button to result -and you change the above script accordingly - then you will get an error message no such object. --Wilhelm Sanke http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Quality
Hi everyone, I had something of a quandary deciding how to title/post this note: - I could have made a final post to my now-famous Open Letter to Rev: Quality is Job #1 thread - I could have responded to the recent Rev_rant discussion (which I've been itching to do for a week or so, now) - I could have titled this FREE REV UPDATE! AWESOME! - or simply, Hooray!! The bottom line is... I think this is is a red-letter day for us as Rev users and Runrev as a company. ~ ~ ~ Let me first highlight something that could have been missed in all the exciting headlines: * * * * * * * * * * Revolution 2.7.5 will be a FREE UPDATE. If you had an active Revolution maintenance plan as of February 1, 2006, or if you purchased any version of Revolution 2.7, you will receive Revolution 2.7.5 AT NO CHARGE. * * * * * * * * * * What an important move on the part of Runrev. It shows not only that they've been reading and listening to the feedback on the list, but also that they have a lot of integrity and pride about the product. Not to mention the highest regard for their customers. All of us who've been waiting for Linux support, everyone who's had a crash, everyone who's scratched their heads with weird behavior now gets the version of Rev we've been waiting and hoping for, no matter whether their license expired in the last 9 months. It's a big deal. It was one of the things I asked for in my posts, and I'm delighted they agreed. ~ ~ ~ The second thing I want to point out is that this is a no-features release TOTALLY driven by our feedback and bug reports. I can't think of many (if any) other companies that have taken quite this approach before. If you, like me, felt you were wandering in the desert or frustrated by the impression that an esoteric feature was taking priority over some aggravating problem... come in out of the cold and fret no more. I've had every assurance -- and I believe them -- that Bugzilla will be what drives this update. So now is the time for everyone to make friends with Bugzilla: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase Dust off your old bugs, file new reports, and vote for the ones filed by others that affect you most. We ESPECIALLY need to transform all the anybody else see this happening? chat on the list into actual, full-fledged bug reports that can be tracked and resolved. So I hope you'll go through your prior posts right now and begin transforming them into Bugzilla bugs as appropriate. You'll remember that I was pretty skeptical about the value of Bugzilla, given its Byzantine interface, the time investment it took to file a decent report, and the assumption the reports didn't go anywhere. Well, Bugzilla still is an ugly, drooling beast, but I *AM* now convinced that filing reports will be worth every minute of effort. I am confident the reports will be read and acted upon. So, let's take Runrev up on their pledge and channel our energies into documenting the problems we've found. ~ ~ ~ Finally, those of you who've been around a while know I've been something of a gadfly on the list. I tell it like it is and I don't pull any punches. I'm hoping that Runrev's selection of me to lead the community in defining this release demonstrates to everyone Runrev's credibility. When they say they intend to make 2.7.5 the best-ever version of Rev, eliminate the bugs, and make it a joy to use... I believe them. ~ ~ ~ The Open Community Beta won't last forever. We need to pound on it early and often. So please don't delay. Go to http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php right away and sign up for the beta RIGHT NOW. When your key code and download links arrive (very likely, Monday) please download and throw your best punches. And please feel free to send me your comments... either at my personal address or my new email: bill.marriott (at) runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Non-US keyboards: Cmd-{ and Cmd-]
Dave Cragg wrote: On 10 Nov 2006, at 22:47, Richard Gaskin wrote: 2. Anyone know of a site where I can see images or a table of keyboard layouts for multiple languages? Any other way to better understand the keys available for our international users? Try here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout Perfect! Thank you. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
J. Landman Gay wrote: Chipp Walters wrote: Actually, I find copy/paste clipboard issues always occur when launching Rev. Rev seems to always start with a clear clipboard on XP. I don't have the same problem with copy/paste text in other apps. I restarted WinXP, copied some text in Notepad, closed Notepad, reopened Notepad, and pasted. It worked. Then I relaunched Revolution, made a new stack with a field, and pasted. And that worked too. So it isn't consistent. Today's test seems to show that Rev doesn't automatically clear the clipboard. I wish I could pin down when it fails, because I have a standalone with a registration dialog that users paste a serial number into. If they copy the serial from an email and launch my app, it only pastes sporadically. If the dialog is already open when they flip over to email to copy, it pastes every time. I dunno either, but some time ago when I was experimenting with a linux version of my app, I found that keyboard shortcuts for menu items in general failed on that platform, so I included a commandkey handler in the card script, and that worked reliably. Just thought I'd mention it. Martin Baxter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Valentina 2.5 for Revolution Countdown: SSL Adapter
Valentina 2.5 is the next major update to Valentina for Revolution ADK and Valentina Developer Network (Platform Edition). Current license holders will receive a free upgrade. Valentina 2.5 for Revolution Countdown: SSL Adapter Valentina 2.5 introduces a second Valentina Adapter: Valentina SSL Adapter. Valentina SSL Adapter allows you to establish secure, SSL connections between your Valentina based solution and Valentina Embedded Server. Valentina Office Server 2.5 and Valentina Studio 2.5 incorporate support for the Valentina SSL Adapter. To deploy support in an Embedded Server-based solution, you will need to pass your own SSL Adapter key in the same way you deploy your developer code for Valentina Embedded Server. Valentina Office Server and Valentina Embedded Server have a default port_SSL of 0. However, you can allow your server to listen to two ports at a time: a secure port and a non-secure port. You can entirely disable the non-secure port by specifying this in the server's .ini file. Here is how you make a non-SSL connection to a server: connection = new VConnection( host, user, passw, port ) connection.Open() Using the Valentina SSL Adapter, the call is remarkably similar: connection = new VConnection( host, user, passw, port ) connection.UseSSL() connection.Open() Standard OpenSSL Library The Valentina SSL Adapter utilizes the OpenSSL library, the most widely used SSL library available. Using Valentina SSL Adapter in Your Solutions The Valentina SSL Adapter is available to VDN Platform Edition 2.5 customers. You pay once to deploy it with your solutions, royalty free. --- FYI: ROYALTY FREE EMBEDDED SERVER! Valentina Developer Network lets you create end deploy solutions using Valentina Embedded Server - the ultra fast server you can deploy royalty free. Learn more at http://www.valentina-db.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: External Writing for the Unitiated – Pa rt I
On Nov 10, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: I just want to say 'thanks' to Mark for this article in the latest newsletter. I clicked on the read more link in the email I got and was taken to something else. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Altuit sale of altBrowser, altSQLite and altFont to RunRev
Congratulations Chris and Chipp! I use altBrowser every day in my business and am glad that Rev is adding it to the externals they will offer. Just starting with altSQLite, but will be doing much more with it in the coming months. Looking forward to the future. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 11/10/06 1:15 PM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, most of you probably have already read the latest news, but I thought I could add our take on things. Today we announced the imminent sale of three of our best selling add-ons to Runtime Revolution. The three products are altBrowser, altSQLite, and altFont. All are externals which enhance the capabilities of the RunRev development platform and standalones. For more information on what they do, please visit our website at www.altuit.com. Here are some answers to some obvious questions: So why did Chris and I do this? We have felt for sometime now, Chris has pushed the external architecture to it's limits with altBrowser. With RunRev now becoming the owner, there are many things they can do to even make it better, as well as integrate it more thoroughly with the IDE. altSQLite is the only single-user DB available for RR which runs on all 3 platforms-- plus the footprint is considerably smaller than all others. It's a natural fit for RunRev, especially for users of other databases like FileMaker who wish to jump out from under restrictive licensing terms. And altFont was thrown in for 'good measure!' When does the sale take place? Starting December 1, you can no longer purchase any of the 3 from Altuit. What about support? We will continue to support versions purchased from us up until Dec 1. We are not obligated to support any of the products after Dec 1. If you ask nicely, we will probably help out. ;-) Do existing users get free or discounted upgrades? This has not yet been determined. Purchasing a new version today does not allow you a free upgrade when RR's version comes out in Q1, so unless you really need the functionality now, you may wish to wait. What if I need to buy altBrowser, altSQLite or altFont between Dec 1 and when RR ships the new version in Q1 2007? You'll need to discuss it directly with the Runtime Revolution folks. Does this mean Altuit will no longer be making externals or other products for Rev users? Nope, we still may release some external products in the future. We currently still have a free grouping of plugins available for developers along with MagicCarpet, InterfaceDesigner, and ButtonGadget available for all you guys and gals. Does this mean Altuit is leaving the RunRev platform? Not anytime soon. Unless someone can point us to a product which allows us to develop client apps like ChartWizard http://www.buttongadget.com/ButtonGadgetSub/Downloads.htm IN A SINGLE DAY, I seriously doubt it. Plus, we have many many clients who depend on RunRev applications built by us for them who all need support and next generation products. Did you guys make a boatload of money from this? We wish. Actually the terms are a big trade secret, but needless to say, Chris and I won't be making any unscheduled stops in Vegas anytime soon. The primary incentive for doing this was not money. A real bonus is, we believe it helps to make RR a stronger and more viable platform. Discussions with Kevin over the past month have been very positive regarding the future of quality control for our beloved development platform, as evidenced by the public beta announcement made today. Thanks to all for the great support of our products. We hope to onetime again amaze you guys with some newer, neater stuff! best, Chipp and Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: External Writing for the Unitiated – Pa rt I
On Nov 10, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Dar Scott wrote: I just want to say 'thanks' to Mark for this article in the latest newsletter. I clicked on the read more link in the email I got and was taken to something else. I found it. (Sorry for the noise.) This looks interesting. There seems to be some new things in the SDK. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: External Writing for the Unitiated - Part I
I found it. (Sorry for the noise.) This looks interesting. There seems to be some new things in the SDK. I hope this stimulates capitalistic tendencies for those of you thinking about RevSelect :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thanks to all the non-native English speakers
Bernard- Thursday, November 9, 2006, 12:43:24 PM, you wrote: If one looks at the frappr map, it looks like about half of the users might be non-native English speakers (I know the map is only the tip of the ice-berg - I'm not even on it myself): http://www.frappr.com/runtimerevolution (to get the map to display in Firefox I find I have to go and look at some of the photos, then go back to the map page to get it load the actual map) The frappr folks keep changing things all the time. I'll see if I can get that fixed up - thanks for bringing it to my attention. I can't believe it's anything other than a glitch in their interface and will set itself right soon - hard to imagine they'd want it to work that way... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Annoying invisible background color.
Bill- Saturday, November 4, 2006, 8:06:03 AM, you wrote: Thanks. It says in the property inspector that bath the stack background and the card background are white inherited. I ran your (nice and very quickly furnished) set the bockground color and now it says it is white and not just white inherited. Now I can print a nice white card. Maybe the name white inherited could be changed to gray and the card when it is that white-inherited color could also be gray and we could retire the confusing white-innherited color which is not really a color at all. I believe this is (or is related to) BZ#3570. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UDP question
Andre- Friday, November 10, 2006, 7:50:48 AM, you wrote: I have two stacks, one is a udp server stack and the other is a client stack. The server is setup to use the newPacket callback message when a datagram arrives. The client will write to the server then it will read from the socket to see if there was any answer. The client is able to write to the server fine, the datagrams arrive nicelly. The server is not able to answer back, no error is reported by the write to socket message but nothing is returned to the server, the read from socket message after the write to socket on the client returns empty. I've sent more than 1k packets, they could not be all droped since on one way it all works fine but on the other way they simply don't work. We ran into the same thing setting up a UDP demo in Malta. The server could send a broadcast packet which was received by the client. The client would then respond to the packet but the response was apparently never picked up by the server. The same thing works fine using TCP. There seems to be a bug with either a) responding to UDP broadcast packets or b) receiving responses to UDP broadcast packets. We had to code around this by using known IP addresses. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quality
Bill- Friday, November 10, 2006, 3:35:19 PM, you wrote: So now is the time for everyone to make friends with Bugzilla: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase Or better yet, RevZilla... http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to place a dialog window
OK Wilhelm. How about this then, on mouseUp put the short name of the topStack into tStack go inv stack answer Dialog set the loc of stack answer Dialog to 200,200 show stack Answer Dialog answer Choose a color with red or green or blue set the defaultStack to tStack set the backcolor of fld 1 to it end mouseUp That should solve your problem. Still quick and dirty. Oh, what if your topStack is a palette, or even modal/non-modal??? Then don't use it, or hack it further to accomodate. I agree, the preferred way is to use one's own answer/ask dialogs, but sometimes (as in when you are creating plugins for others to use inside THEIR versions of Rev), you can't always count on your hacked versions being 'in play.' ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quality
Yes, Revzilla is beautiful! :) Perhaps an attractive candidate for inclusion within Rev itself? But, I suppose that it's good to be able to submit bugs via web page (Revzilla would depend on Rev working). Mark Wieder wrote Or better yet, RevZilla... http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev_rant
Hi Richard, You just made me go back and re-read his posts to see if I missed anything, as I certainly did not not have a recollection of any flaming arrows being released in my general direction... And, indeed, I didn't find any! Bravo! Judy On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Richard Gaskin wrote: Some of your posts may have been firmly worded, but never unprofessional and never insulting to the others here or our host. For the most part I agree with what you have to say (I feel your reply to Judy this morning was especially cogent), and appreciate that you take the time to do so with words chosen the achieve results rather than mere annoyance. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Altuit sale of altBrowser, altSQLite and altFont to RunRev
Awesome news! Judy On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Chipp Walters wrote: Well, most of you probably have already read the latest news, but I thought I could add our take on things. Today we announced the imminent sale of three of our best selling add-ons to Runtime Revolution. The three products are altBrowser, altSQLite, and altFont. All are externals which enhance the capabilities of the RunRev development platform and standalones. For more information on what they do, please visit our website at www.altuit.com. Here are some answers to some obvious questions: So why did Chris and I do this? We have felt for sometime now, Chris has pushed the external architecture to it's limits with altBrowser. With RunRev now becoming the owner, there are many things they can do to even make it better, as well as integrate it more thoroughly with the IDE. altSQLite is the only single-user DB available for RR which runs on all 3 platforms-- plus the footprint is considerably smaller than all others. It's a natural fit for RunRev, especially for users of other databases like FileMaker who wish to jump out from under restrictive licensing terms. And altFont was thrown in for 'good measure!' When does the sale take place? Starting December 1, you can no longer purchase any of the 3 from Altuit. What about support? We will continue to support versions purchased from us up until Dec 1. We are not obligated to support any of the products after Dec 1. If you ask nicely, we will probably help out. ;-) Do existing users get free or discounted upgrades? This has not yet been determined. Purchasing a new version today does not allow you a free upgrade when RR's version comes out in Q1, so unless you really need the functionality now, you may wish to wait. What if I need to buy altBrowser, altSQLite or altFont between Dec 1 and when RR ships the new version in Q1 2007? You'll need to discuss it directly with the Runtime Revolution folks. Does this mean Altuit will no longer be making externals or other products for Rev users? Nope, we still may release some external products in the future. We currently still have a free grouping of plugins available for developers along with MagicCarpet, InterfaceDesigner, and ButtonGadget available for all you guys and gals. Does this mean Altuit is leaving the RunRev platform? Not anytime soon. Unless someone can point us to a product which allows us to develop client apps like ChartWizard http://www.buttongadget.com/ButtonGadgetSub/Downloads.htm IN A SINGLE DAY, I seriously doubt it. Plus, we have many many clients who depend on RunRev applications built by us for them who all need support and next generation products. Did you guys make a boatload of money from this? We wish. Actually the terms are a big trade secret, but needless to say, Chris and I won't be making any unscheduled stops in Vegas anytime soon. The primary incentive for doing this was not money. A real bonus is, we believe it helps to make RR a stronger and more viable platform. Discussions with Kevin over the past month have been very positive regarding the future of quality control for our beloved development platform, as evidenced by the public beta announcement made today. Thanks to all for the great support of our products. We hope to onetime again amaze you guys with some newer, neater stuff! best, Chipp and Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Quality
Way to go Bill! The second thing I want to point out is that this is a no-features release TOTALLY driven by our feedback and bug reports. I can't think of many (if any) other companies that have taken quite this approach before. If any, most enterprise PC products (which I work with) do this even for 2 or 3 year old licensed products. But im glad this is finally happening in Rev's world. If you, like me, felt you were wandering in the desert or frustrated by the impression that an esoteric feature was taking priority over some aggravating problem... come in out of the cold and fret no more. I've had every assurance -- and I believe them -- that Bugzilla will be what drives this update. So now is the time for everyone to make friends with Bugzilla: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase Dust off your old bugs, file new reports, and vote for the ones filed by others that affect you most. We ESPECIALLY need to transform all the anybody else see this happening? chat on the list into actual, full-fledged bug reports that can be tracked and resolved. So I hope you'll go through your prior posts right now and begin transforming them into Bugzilla bugs as appropriate. Problem is that 5 votes max per bug for a PC problem innundated by Mac votes on other issues will not be concequential at the end of the day... And any user can only vote what? 20 issues to the max? Assuming he hasn't voted for other bugzillas... You'll remember that I was pretty skeptical about the value of Bugzilla, given its Byzantine interface, the time investment it took to file a decent report, and the assumption the reports didn't go anywhere. Well, Bugzilla still is an ugly, drooling beast, but I *AM* now convinced that filing reports will be worth every minute of effort. I am confident the reports will be read and acted upon. So, let's take Runrev up on their pledge and channel our energies into documenting the problems we've found. Actually, I met another manufacturer's bugzilla thing... It's a 6 page form per bug entry system. If you don't get it right in the first page, you can't see the right stuff in the second page! And my first bug entry took 3 hours in total because we have to the HW's serial number in the right location etc... Hell on the web! Bugzilla in comparison is Mac-simple!!! Finally, those of you who've been around a while know I've been something of a gadfly on the list. I tell it like it is and I don't pull any punches. welcome to the fly-in-the-soup club ;) I'm hoping that Runrev's selection of me to lead the community in defining this release demonstrates to everyone Runrev's credibility. When they say they intend to make 2.7.5 the best-ever version of Rev, eliminate the bugs, and make it a joy to use... I believe them. can't wait to see how far this goes! The Open Community Beta won't last forever. We need to pound on it early and often. So please don't delay. Go to http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php right away and sign up for the beta RIGHT NOW. When your key code and download links arrive (very likely, Monday) please download and throw your best punches. Here's an abdomen punch: Unix/Solaris support is missing!?! cheers Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quality
I like that idea! The only downside I can see is that dolts such as myself may feel free to flood RevZilla with bugs that are really stupid user errors (which is why even when I was having wierd font problems, I never BZ'd it because I was fairly certain it just HAD to be something stupid that I was doing). Judy On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Bill Marriott wrote: Yes, Revzilla is beautiful! :) Perhaps an attractive candidate for inclusion within Rev itself? But, I suppose that it's good to be able to submit bugs via web page (Revzilla would depend on Rev working). Mark Wieder wrote Or better yet, RevZilla... http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ' ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Quality
Well, you know, even though I mentioned the plight of the poor Linux/Unix/*nix user, I suspect that some of the problems experienced or features nonexistent on that platform may well be beyone Rev's control and lie more with the OS. FWIW... Let me know please if I am wrong about this so that I'll have a better idea what to tell the odd *nix user I have next semester in the Rev class. Judy On Sat, 11 Nov 2006, MisterX wrote: Way to go Bill! The second thing I want to point out is that this is a no-features release TOTALLY driven by our feedback and bug reports. I can't think of many (if any) other companies that have taken quite this approach before. If any, most enterprise PC products (which I work with) do this even for 2 or 3 year old licensed products. But im glad this is finally happening in Rev's world. If you, like me, felt you were wandering in the desert or frustrated by the impression that an esoteric feature was taking priority over some aggravating problem... come in out of the cold and fret no more. I've had every assurance -- and I believe them -- that Bugzilla will be what drives this update. So now is the time for everyone to make friends with Bugzilla: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase Dust off your old bugs, file new reports, and vote for the ones filed by others that affect you most. We ESPECIALLY need to transform all the anybody else see this happening? chat on the list into actual, full-fledged bug reports that can be tracked and resolved. So I hope you'll go through your prior posts right now and begin transforming them into Bugzilla bugs as appropriate. Problem is that 5 votes max per bug for a PC problem innundated by Mac votes on other issues will not be concequential at the end of the day... And any user can only vote what? 20 issues to the max? Assuming he hasn't voted for other bugzillas... You'll remember that I was pretty skeptical about the value of Bugzilla, given its Byzantine interface, the time investment it took to file a decent report, and the assumption the reports didn't go anywhere. Well, Bugzilla still is an ugly, drooling beast, but I *AM* now convinced that filing reports will be worth every minute of effort. I am confident the reports will be read and acted upon. So, let's take Runrev up on their pledge and channel our energies into documenting the problems we've found. Actually, I met another manufacturer's bugzilla thing... It's a 6 page form per bug entry system. If you don't get it right in the first page, you can't see the right stuff in the second page! And my first bug entry took 3 hours in total because we have to the HW's serial number in the right location etc... Hell on the web! Bugzilla in comparison is Mac-simple!!! Finally, those of you who've been around a while know I've been something of a gadfly on the list. I tell it like it is and I don't pull any punches. welcome to the fly-in-the-soup club ;) I'm hoping that Runrev's selection of me to lead the community in defining this release demonstrates to everyone Runrev's credibility. When they say they intend to make 2.7.5 the best-ever version of Rev, eliminate the bugs, and make it a joy to use... I believe them. can't wait to see how far this goes! The Open Community Beta won't last forever. We need to pound on it early and often. So please don't delay. Go to http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php right away and sign up for the beta RIGHT NOW. When your key code and download links arrive (very likely, Monday) please download and throw your best punches. Here's an abdomen punch: Unix/Solaris support is missing!?! cheers Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UDP question
On Nov 10, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: The server could send a broadcast packet which was received by the client. The client would then respond to the packet but the response was apparently never picked up by the server. The same thing works fine using TCP. There seems to be a bug with either a) responding to UDP broadcast packets or b) receiving responses to UDP broadcast packets. We had to code around this by using known IP addresses. I would guess the problem is b. The socket might be willing to receive something from, say, 255,255,255,255, but that will never happen because that cannot be a sender's IP address. I guess Rev sockets are more picky (and moralizing) then TCP/IP requires, often more than Unix sockets. Back when a team was looking at communication among Rev tasks, I made something that got around this by sending responses to all of a batch of ports on the requester's IP, a sort of poor man's Rendezvous. (The multiple ports allowed multiple tasks per computer.) Several years ago I suggested some improvements that would allow better UDP use. I don't know if I'd agree with those suggestions now or not. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Quality
there's lots of unix apps out there. While java is more native to sun, there's lots of jobs to grab in that platform from server apps to administration control and management or reporting tools... I know it's not multimedia as you would have expected but the down to business applications arent always needing fancy features, just sturdy operations and a nice little GUI... cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Perry Sent: Saturday, 11 November, 2006 06:20 To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: Quality Well, you know, even though I mentioned the plight of the poor Linux/Unix/*nix user, I suspect that some of the problems experienced or features nonexistent on that platform may well be beyone Rev's control and lie more with the OS. FWIW... Let me know please if I am wrong about this so that I'll have a better idea what to tell the odd *nix user I have next semester in the Rev class. Judy On Sat, 11 Nov 2006, MisterX wrote: Way to go Bill! The second thing I want to point out is that this is a no-features release TOTALLY driven by our feedback and bug reports. I can't think of many (if any) other companies that have taken quite this approach before. If any, most enterprise PC products (which I work with) do this even for 2 or 3 year old licensed products. But im glad this is finally happening in Rev's world. If you, like me, felt you were wandering in the desert or frustrated by the impression that an esoteric feature was taking priority over some aggravating problem... come in out of the cold and fret no more. I've had every assurance -- and I believe them -- that Bugzilla will be what drives this update. So now is the time for everyone to make friends with Bugzilla: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase Dust off your old bugs, file new reports, and vote for the ones filed by others that affect you most. We ESPECIALLY need to transform all the anybody else see this happening? chat on the list into actual, full-fledged bug reports that can be tracked and resolved. So I hope you'll go through your prior posts right now and begin transforming them into Bugzilla bugs as appropriate. Problem is that 5 votes max per bug for a PC problem innundated by Mac votes on other issues will not be concequential at the end of the day... And any user can only vote what? 20 issues to the max? Assuming he hasn't voted for other bugzillas... You'll remember that I was pretty skeptical about the value of Bugzilla, given its Byzantine interface, the time investment it took to file a decent report, and the assumption the reports didn't go anywhere. Well, Bugzilla still is an ugly, drooling beast, but I *AM* now convinced that filing reports will be worth every minute of effort. I am confident the reports will be read and acted upon. So, let's take Runrev up on their pledge and channel our energies into documenting the problems we've found. Actually, I met another manufacturer's bugzilla thing... It's a 6 page form per bug entry system. If you don't get it right in the first page, you can't see the right stuff in the second page! And my first bug entry took 3 hours in total because we have to the HW's serial number in the right location etc... Hell on the web! Bugzilla in comparison is Mac-simple!!! Finally, those of you who've been around a while know I've been something of a gadfly on the list. I tell it like it is and I don't pull any punches. welcome to the fly-in-the-soup club ;) I'm hoping that Runrev's selection of me to lead the community in defining this release demonstrates to everyone Runrev's credibility. When they say they intend to make 2.7.5 the best-ever version of Rev, eliminate the bugs, and make it a joy to use... I believe them. can't wait to see how far this goes! The Open Community Beta won't last forever. We need to pound on it early and often. So please don't delay. Go to http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php right away and sign up for the beta RIGHT NOW. When your key code and download links arrive (very likely, Monday) please download and throw your best punches. Here's an abdomen punch: Unix/Solaris support is missing!?! cheers Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
Re: Kudos to Bill Marriott and RunRev
Note: The Altuit stuff will not come with 2.7.5. That would be a feature and this is a pure-bug-fix release. From the announcement: All new purchases and upgrades of Revolution Studio and Enterprise from today will include these features free of charge when they become available in Quarter One 2007. Because new Revolution Studio and Enterprise licenses will increase in price December 1 with a corresponding increase in upgrades, you can benefit from these features at a lower price by purchasing your license or renewal before December 1. Viktoras Didziulis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Splendid! The Linux support alone is so long waited feature. And now with integrated Altuit products and new QA strategy! Wow! Many thanks! Viktoras ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
