Re: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work?
On 1/4/10 9:58 AM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote: Hello Guys, In nearest hours we will upload new archives of Franklin. With true installers. Several fixes. Now work all examples on mac and win. No annoying msgbox during demo. Fixed crash on mac. And other issues. Seems to be the way the demos were built (same behavior here). On this end I was only able to run 1 demo at a time and then had to force quit. Wrote to Lynn F a couple of times but no response. Demos are still worth looking at though. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Mutimedia Design On Jan 3, 2010, at 10:01 PM, Sivakatirswami ka...@hindu.org wrote: Is anyone getting the Franklin 3D external to work? I installed the external, put the Windows and Mac serial numbers in the init string and a) I get an error when opening that takes me to the initialization line in the open card script. b) if I close the script, and try a tutorial it opens a window, but steals the mouse I cannot use the mouse for anything else, and have to force quit Revolution. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] ssMacWindows 1.5.0
I listened to the users on the list and have renamed all the external commands and functions (yeah I know this sucks for people who are using it, but on a good note I will not change them again :-).. All the names start with ss and are more clear about what they do (hopefully).. Again, sorry for this change, but it was requested and it made sense.. - 23 system cursors added - Secure data entry (other programs cannot record what you type) - Start a Spotlight search from your application - Set a proxy icon based on creator/type code - Window transition now have a started and completed message fired to your application - better error handling across all the external commands/functions The next two features were cool but for whatever reason they do not run in compiled applications :-( but I thought I would leave them in there anyways for you to play with in the IDE (might be useful to your workflow or something) - check when a volume is mounted/unmounted - global hot keys (control + option + function key) More information and download link at www.shaosean.tk -Sean ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] ssMacWindows 1.5.0
Thank you so much, Sean. I'll be testing. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Full PayPal integration and automation in web site or (Revolution/ SuperCard/other) software. Contact me for a quote before 1 Jan 2010 and we'll charge (reduced) 2009 prices. http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Op 4 jan 2010, om 09:04 heeft Shao Sean het volgende geschreven: I listened to the users on the list and have renamed all the external commands and functions (yeah I know this sucks for people who are using it, but on a good note I will not change them again :-).. All the names start with ss and are more clear about what they do (hopefully).. Again, sorry for this change, but it was requested and it made sense.. - 23 system cursors added - Secure data entry (other programs cannot record what you type) - Start a Spotlight search from your application - Set a proxy icon based on creator/type code - Window transition now have a started and completed message fired to your application - better error handling across all the external commands/functions The next two features were cool but for whatever reason they do not run in compiled applications :-( but I thought I would leave them in there anyways for you to play with in the IDE (might be useful to your workflow or something) - check when a volume is mounted/unmounted - global hot keys (control + option + function key) More information and download link at www.shaosean.tk -Sean ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work?
On 1/4/10 9:58 AM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote: Hi All, Seems to be the way the demos were built (same behavior here). On this end I was only able to run 1 demo at a time and then had to force quit. Wrote to Lynn F a couple of times but no response. Demos are still worth looking at though. Btw, in the new build you can stop demo by ESC. On mac and win. * NEW mac archive is on site. * Installation page for windows is in the WIKI http://franklin3d.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=franklin:revolution:install:inst all VERY IMORTANT !!! * IF you have install prev Franklin3D external inside of Revolution/v.v.v-gm-v/Externals You need REMOVE this old external! Then install from new installer. Then you need do second step: run Install.rev stack from REV. This script will install Franklin3D external into My Documents/Revolution/Externals folder -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to get a same data grid on each card?
Le 4 janv. 10 à 00:49, zryip theSlug a écrit : Hi André, Why not using a template instead of a copy paste? Happy new year to you too ;) -Zryip the Slug- wish you the best! 8) Bonjour, I must confess that, up to now, I did not learn a lot about customizing the Data Grid Templates substack ;-). I just dragged a data grid and set its properties in the inspector, or by scripts. So thanks you very much for your suggestion; It induces me to read (and try) more deeply what concerns this topic in the Trevor' manual. I am going to do that right now! Best regards from Grenoble André 2010/1/3 Andre.Bisseret andre.bisse...@inria.fr: Then, I red the lesson which explains how to create a data grid through script. But I am trying to avoid re-defining for each new card, the properties of the data grid (columns, their names and labels, their width etc. So my later trial is as follow : I create a data grid dataGrid (with all needed properties defined) on the first card of the stack. I dont include it in the background of this first card Then, when I create a new card I do : copy grp DataGrid of cd 1 of this stack paste set the dgText of grp DataGrid to empty So I get a data grid (with the same name) on each new card ready to be specifically populated for this card. Seems to work well :-) Trevor, is this a good way to go or are there some warning against it? Thanks a lot in advance for any advice Heureuse année 2010 André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Exagofon
Bonjour à tous (Hello everybody), I wish you a happy new year (bonne année, bonne santé !) For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress. There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube : part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc Sorry but the voice (mine) speak french (it is so easy !). It is better in HD and full screen (it is also written in french !!!) All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh). I received this list very helpful and I thank all who have contributed. Bons souvenirs de Paris René ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work?
Hi Ruslan, I really would like to have a look at Franklin 3D but the Demo_Franklin3D.rev stack throws the following errors using Rev 4 on Mac: openStack handler TypeFunction: error in function handler Object Startup_card Lineput franklin3D_Version() into franklin3DVersion Hintfranklin3D_Version START button TypeFunction: error in function handler Object START Lineget franklin3D_Init(,) -- First parameter - serial number for Windows version and second for Mac OS Hintfranklin3D_Init Regards, Ralf On 04.01.2010, at 09:54, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: Btw, in the new build you can stop demo by ESC. On mac and win. * NEW mac archive is on site. * Installation page for windows is in the WIKI http://franklin3d.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=franklin:revolution:install:inst all VERY IMORTANT !!! * IF you have install prev Franklin3D external inside of Revolution/v.v.v-gm-v/Externals You need REMOVE this old external! Then install from new installer. Then you need do second step: run Install.rev stack from REV. This script will install Franklin3D external into My Documents/Revolution/Externals folder ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exagofon
Hi René, Really impressive and full of possibilities ! J.-S. Bach would have liked it ! Jacques Le 4 janv. 2010 à 10:55, René Micout a écrit : Bonjour à tous (Hello everybody), I wish you a happy new year (bonne année, bonne santé !) For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress. There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube : part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc Sorry but the voice (mine) speak french (it is so easy !). It is better in HD and full screen (it is also written in french !!!) All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh). I received this list very helpful and I thank all who have contributed. Bons souvenirs de Paris René ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax:++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.haus...@unil.ch *** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exagofon
Thank you Jacques, Quel honneur pour moi dans ce cas ! JSB use Macintosh or Windows ? :-) René Le 4 janv. 2010 à 11:15, Jacques Hausser a écrit : Hi René, Really impressive and full of possibilities ! J.-S. Bach would have liked it ! Jacques Le 4 janv. 2010 à 10:55, René Micout a écrit : Bonjour à tous (Hello everybody), I wish you a happy new year (bonne année, bonne santé !) For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress. There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube : part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc Sorry but the voice (mine) speak french (it is so easy !). It is better in HD and full screen (it is also written in french !!!) All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh). I received this list very helpful and I thank all who have contributed. Bons souvenirs de Paris René ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax: ++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.haus...@unil.ch *** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exagofon
2010/1/4 René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh). Thanks for that - I worked on a lot of Sound installations in the past and used Midi externals for the main audiovisual glue - most of them came from France :) I searched for PlayCommand X - not quite sure what you are referring to there - any links or references appreciated. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exagofon
David, It is PlayCommand Agent X the real name (from Shakobox). If you need it I can send you by mail directly (2,1 Mo) René Le 4 janv. 2010 à 11:37, David Bovill a écrit : 2010/1/4 René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh). Thanks for that - I worked on a lot of Sound installations in the past and used Midi externals for the main audiovisual glue - most of them came from France :) I searched for PlayCommand X - not quite sure what you are referring to there - any links or references appreciated. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Thing-1 - made with Revolution? (was Exagofon)
Hi René, searching around for music related software I found this interesting software: - http://www.thingtone.net/thing1/editions/index.html looks like it is made with Revolution to me - or does any other software produce interfaces like that :) 2010/1/4 René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com David, It is PlayCommand Agent X the real name (from Shakobox). If you need it I can send you by mail directly (2,1 Mo) René I couldn't find any references to it on the web - was it an open source HyperCard external? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thing-1 - made with Revolution? (was Exagofon)
PlayCommand Agent X : The right person is : J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com She can help you... I think... Thingtone : I think it is not made with Revolution, but I could be wrong... René PS : I can send you MY list of weird gear about music... If you want... Le 4 janv. 2010 à 12:41, David Bovill a écrit : Hi René, searching around for music related software I found this interesting software: - http://www.thingtone.net/thing1/editions/index.html looks like it is made with Revolution to me - or does any other software produce interfaces like that :) 2010/1/4 René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com David, It is PlayCommand Agent X the real name (from Shakobox). If you need it I can send you by mail directly (2,1 Mo) René I couldn't find any references to it on the web - was it an open source HyperCard external? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Error while generating a Linux standalone
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: Andre Rombauts wrote: anybody else tells me it is a BIG MISTAKE spinning off standalones for any platform from a platform other than the target one. It is one of RunRev assets to produce easily multi-platforms applications. Testing on each, might not be a problem but why should I generated on an another platform? If this is an issue why is it offered as a feature in Runrev?... I can't speak highly enough of the benefits of testing and tweaking on each of the platforms one develops for, but as far as the mechanics of building standalones I've had good success for many years building for OS X, Win, and Linux from my Mac. I, certainly, have had great success spinning off Windows standalones from RR 4. I find Linux standalones are not always reliable. However, working with earlier versions of RR I have had nothing but grief spinning off both Windows and Linux standalones. The last sentence should be taken in the context that before I acquired RR 4 I used RR 2.0.1 to spin off standalones; and there has been an awful lot of water under the bridge between RR 2 and RR 4. I still use the FREE version of RR 2.2.1 for Linux (spins off standalones for Linux only) that was given out by Novell quite a few years ago because the machines I run in my language school run on Ubuntu 5.10, and RR 4 studio for Linux does not work on that system, nor do standalones generated by RR 4 studio for Linux on a machine running a later form of Ubuntu. As setting up a functioning Linux system cost me about $25 and a couple of hours work that seems a small trade-off for guaranteeing my Linux standalones behave the way they should. I have a similar system (headless) running Windows XP Home (OEM XP cost me $25) in Bulgaria (I am still in England at the moment), and it really is the best way of ensuring that things go exactly as they should. I previously used VPC with Windows, but it was grindingly slow. This also allows you to see what the thing looks like running on your target system. I feel that developing and hiving off standalones on one system for another without access to that target system is a bit like fumbling around in a dark room looking for the light switch; I usually end up either falling over a chair or sticking my fingers into something that hurts. If you have a new INTEL Mac you can spend your money on one of the 'things' that will allow you to run Windows and Linux on your Mac; the end-result is much the same. Win standalones run without alteration, and the Linux builds run as soon as I set their executable bit within Linux. This is an extremely important point - setting the executable property of a Linux standalone - unless you expect the end-user to do this for herself you HAVE to have access to a Linux system. The build process itself has always been flawless here (with the only exceptions being user error, things I may have forgotten to include or set up properly, easily remedied). The only problem about statements such as The build process itself has always been flawless here is that 'here' is not 'there', and all you need is one end-user to make a big noise and your reputation gets dragged through the mud. Unless you live and work in a 3-foot square box with no space there is really no reason not to have a few test machines to hand. I work in a 3-foot by 6-foot 'office' and still manage to have 4 machines packed in there as well as bags of room for a record-player and coffee cups. Needless to say, I come out of the office to live; but, hey, let's face it, if spending one's time hunched over a computer constitutes living we are all in line for padded cells and straitjackets down at the funny farm. . . :) --- I am the author of Devawriter http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriter.html --- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thing-1 - made with Revolution? (was Exagofon)
I downloaded Speakalong (one of their other programs) and looked at the strings inside. It looks to be Cocoa. --- On Mon, 1/4/10, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: From: René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com Subject: Re: Thing-1 - made with Revolution? (was Exagofon) To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 5:55 AM PlayCommand Agent X : The right person is : J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com She can help you... I think... Thingtone : I think it is not made with Revolution, but I could be wrong... René PS : I can send you MY list of weird gear about music... If you want... Le 4 janv. 2010 à 12:41, David Bovill a écrit : Hi René, searching around for music related software I found this interesting software: - http://www.thingtone.net/thing1/editions/index.html looks like it is made with Revolution to me - or does any other software produce interfaces like that :) 2010/1/4 René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com David, It is PlayCommand Agent X the real name (from Shakobox). If you need it I can send you by mail directly (2,1 Mo) René I couldn't find any references to it on the web - was it an open source HyperCard external? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thing-1 - made with Revolution? (was Exagofon)
2010/1/4 René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com René PS : I can send you MY list of weird gear about music... If you want... That would be very kind. I'm pretty intrigued with the hexagons and the composition metaphor! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work?
On 1/4/10 12:13 PM, Ralf Bitter ra...@dimensionb.de wrote: Hi Ralf, Please try TODAY's archive franklin_rev_1_mac.dmg Make you you have did TWO installation steps: http://franklin3d.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=franklin:revolution:install:insta ll I really would like to have a look at Franklin 3D but the Demo_Franklin3D.rev stack throws the following errors using Rev 4 on Mac: openStack handler Type Function: error in function handler Object Startup_card Line put franklin3D_Version() into franklin3DVersion Hint franklin3D_Version START button Type Function: error in function handler Object START Line get franklin3D_Init(,) -- First parameter - serial number for Windows version and second for Mac OS Hint franklin3D_Init -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work - fixed mac
Hi Ralf, Aha, was mistake in RELEASE build. FIXED. Mac archive uploaded once again 5 min ago. Tested on clean MAC, works. Please try TODAY's archive franklin_rev_1_mac.dmg Make you you have did TWO installation steps: http://franklin3d.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=franklin:revolution:install:insta ll I really would like to have a look at Franklin 3D but the Demo_Franklin3D.rev stack throws the following errors using Rev 4 on Mac: openStack handler Type Function: error in function handler Object Startup_card Line put franklin3D_Version() into franklin3DVersion Hint franklin3D_Version START button Type Function: error in function handler Object START Line get franklin3D_Init(,) -- First parameter - serial number for Windows version and second for Mac OS Hint franklin3D_Init -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to get a same data grid on each card?
On Jan 3, 2010, at 10:47 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: I create a data grid dataGrid (with all needed properties defined) on the first card of the stack. I dont include it in the background of this first card Then, when I create a new card I do : copy grp DataGrid of cd 1 of this stack paste set the dgText of grp DataGrid to empty So I get a data grid (with the same name) on each new card ready to be specifically populated for this card. Seems to work well :-) Trevor, is this a good way to go or are there some warning against it? Off the top of my head I don't see why that wouldn't work. It appears that you are using one Data Grid as your template and then copying it to new cards as needed. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work?
Seems to be the way the demos were built (same behavior here). On this end I was only able to run 1 demo at a time and then had to force quit. Wrote to Lynn F a couple of times but no response. Demos are still worth looking at though. Hi Scott, Sorry about that - I passed your comments on to engineering, but if information doesn't go in through Mantis on the Franklin site, it added a step when everyone was thinking holiday, holiday, holiday We get a triple churn of holiday confusion around this time of year. Not only is there American style Christmas (24, 25), but we also have Japanese New Year and Ukranian Christmas (which happens in a couple of days in January). There was a minor fix it update on December 19, and we have another one coming out today. The examples mostly have the window open displaying the 3D space without a regular interface. What's the ideal way of handling the exit? What about the old Control- . or something like that? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server On Jan 3, 2010, at 10:01 PM, Sivakatirswami ka...@hindu.org wrote: Is anyone getting the Franklin 3D external to work? I installed the external, put the Windows and Mac serial numbers in the init string and a) I get an error when opening that takes me to the initialization line in the open card script. b) if I close the script, and try a tutorial it opens a window, but steals the mouse I cannot use the mouse for anything else, and have to force quit Revolution. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Attaching files to a document like a file system
Bill, are you asking that your app InfoWallet should use it's open/save dialogs to look into some stack/datastore to open/save the file? If so, then I believe that is possible, but maybe not with Rev as it currently works. It would require that the Rev file IO code should be able to hook into some kind of Virtual File System e.g. a custom property set of a stack, or maybe even a relational database. If your asking that other apps should be able to open/save documents to InfoWallet, then I think that maybe be very difficult. The only way I can think for you to do that is to look at impliment something like a webdav/ftp server within your app. But even if that works, it would require mappying the OS filesystem such that the filesystem was talking to your in-built server. Bernard On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote: I want to add the ability to store documents encrypted in InfoWallet. I can figure out how to simply add them either to a custom property or just encrypt on disk. It would be great to be able to treat the storage like a disk instead of attached files that can be imported and exported where you can open-from and save-to them and copy to and from it. Apple's Disk Tools can create these types of disk images that can be encrypted but they only work on the Mac. Any ideas on how this can be done in Rev that works cross platform? Bill Vlahos ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exagofon
David Bovill wrote: I searched for PlayCommand X - not quite sure what you are referring to there - any links or references appreciated. It's from Shakobox, which is hosted on my site: http://www.hyperactivesw.com/resources_shakobox.html -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Text anomaly
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:48:50 +1100 From: Terry Judd t...@unimelb.edu.au Subject: Re: Text anomaly To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: c7676a02.8530%...@unimelb.edu.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jim - you need to escape the slash with an extra slash E.g. 123 1//2 Main St Terry... Thanks Terry. I presume this anomalous behavior of / in setting the text of a popup menu must have something to do with a similar use in the menu bar. I can't find a summary of this in the docs or the User Guide. Can you point me to it? Thanks, Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Error while generating a Linux standalone
Le 04-janv.-10 à 13:08, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: Andre Rombauts wrote: anybody else tells me it is a BIG MISTAKE spinning off standalones for any platform from a platform other than the target one. It is one of RunRev assets to produce easily multi-platforms applications. Testing on each, might not be a problem but why should I generated on an another platform? If this is an issue why is it offered as a feature in Runrev?... I can't speak highly enough of the benefits of testing and tweaking on each of the platforms one develops for, but as far as the mechanics of building standalones I've had good success for many years building for OS X, Win, and Linux from my Mac. This also allows you to see what the thing looks like running on your target system. I imported the stack developed on an OSX system on the Linux one. Load OK. But if I try to enter a text object, RunRev crashes without no error message... :-( If I create a test stack on the Linux system, it is working... Gr. André___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
Has anyone heard about this proposed acquisition of Sun by Oracle? I got an email from mo...@helpmysql.org wanting me to sign some petition to help keep mySQL open source. I'm not sure if this guy is crying Wolf, or if this is a real issue. Also, since On-rev uses mySQL, I want to ensure we are not going to get pinged for future licensing, if I develop solutions and host them on on-rev. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
On 1/4/10 7:51 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Hi Bob, Well, this is wave of cry raised by author of mySQL some weeks ago. You can find site with his letter on few languages. And you can read comments of people to him on this. Many people say that they support him, But exists IMO adequate comments which point something like this: Hey man, you have SOLD your baby for billion of cache to Sun. This means you have loose control over it. Do not try now return control back. This is not fair game. Actually I have predict and told to everyone that Oracle have started game against mySQL yet in 2005. First step was purchase of InnoDB engine. Has anyone heard about this proposed acquisition of Sun by Oracle? I got an email from mo...@helpmysql.org wanting me to sign some petition to help keep mySQL open source. I'm not sure if this guy is crying Wolf, or if this is a real issue. Also, since On-rev uses mySQL, I want to ensure we are not going to get pinged for future licensing, if I develop solutions and host them on on-rev. My prediction to you is: mySQL future is in dark. they self have start become very greedy and aggressive. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to get a same data grid on each card?
Le 4 janv. 10 à 15:45, Trevor DeVore a écrit : On Jan 3, 2010, at 10:47 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: I create a data grid dataGrid (with all needed properties defined) on the first card of the stack. I dont include it in the background of this first card Then, when I create a new card I do : copy grp DataGrid of cd 1 of this stack paste set the dgText of grp DataGrid to empty So I get a data grid (with the same name) on each new card ready to be specifically populated for this card. Seems to work well :-) Trevor, is this a good way to go or are there some warning against it? Off the top of my head I don't see why that wouldn't work. It appears that you are using one Data Grid as your template and then copying it to new cards as needed. OK thank you much for this confirmation Meanwihile, I am learning about template; seems it should be a more elegant solution (more in the spirit of the Data Grid). Best regards from Grenoble André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exagofon
Hi René, Very impressive demo! ;) Keep on the good work! -Zryip The Slug- wish you the best! 8) 2010/1/4 René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com: Bonjour à tous (Hello everybody), I wish you a happy new year (bonne année, bonne santé !) For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress. There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube : part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exagofon
Thank you, merci Zryip René Le 4 janv. 2010 à 20:18, zryip theSlug a écrit : Hi René, Very impressive demo! ;) Keep on the good work! -Zryip The Slug- wish you the best! 8) 2010/1/4 René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com: Bonjour à tous (Hello everybody), I wish you a happy new year (bonne année, bonne santé !) For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress. There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube : part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
Has anyone heard about this proposed acquisition of Sun by Oracle? I got an email from mo...@helpmysql.org wanting me to sign some petition to help keep mySQL open source. I'm not sure if this guy is crying Wolf, or if this is a real issue. Also, since On-rev uses mySQL, I want to ensure we are not going to get pinged for future licensing, if I develop solutions and host them on on-rev. I think he's worried about his baby. Michael Widenius (aka Monty) certainly has his concerns about the Oracle acquisition of Sun. Michael is the original developer of MySQL and worked on the project for more than 27 years. It is worth reading his posts about the importance of the GPL in MySQL licensing and even goes on to tie the fate of MySQL to the free nature of the Internet. What I find facinating is that his argument is that the open source project requires a strong corporate master invested in making it competitive with closed source databases. For all the arguments and worry about MySQL, I believe that the Sun acquisition was more motivated by the fate of Java than MySQL. It is understandable why Sun was seeking to sell itself. Although much of the success of today's internet is a result of resting on the highly stable Solaris OS and the development of Java enabled an entirely new (and not always rock solid) way to deploy server side and handheld applications, new technologies have come along to kick out their revenue potential. Oracle has heavily invested in Java as a development environment, and the threat over the last two years of a possible acquisition by rival IBM of Sun made the acquisition of Sun an important step for Oracle. Oracle really does not need MySQL, but they needed Java. Solaris is also a nice alternative to Linux, too. I think Michael is going to have a lot of heartache in 2010. MySQL AB had an extremely aggressive sales force and rather difficult to understand licensing that, in combination, generated revenues for MySQL AB from confused executives at development companies and end user companies who became enamored with MySQL because it was free - but later found it wasn't free for their commercial endeavors. Oracle certainly has an aggressive sales force, but the mindset is different. The sort of bait and switch mentality for licensing isn't a part of the Oracle way of doing things - and I can see some of Michael's fears coming true. Prices will very likely go up, up, up. The software license will probably not change for a while - at least until the worries of government probes are behind them. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
oic. I am wondering then how this is going to impact On-Rev, which offers mySQL support? I intended to write a multiuser application and host it on my On-Rev site, but I am wondering now if Runrev is going to be forced to charge users an extra fee to continue to host MySQL if Oracle ever decides to up the ante, so to speak, or even discontinue mySQL to force people to adopt Oracle. Having a certain department here who purchased Solaris and Oracle long ago for their server(s) and databases, I can testify that these are VERY PRICEY options, and are overkill for almost all but the high end database needs. Monty seems to have a good point, in that he thinks Oracle is not going to compete against itself by continuing the licensing scheme of mySQL, if it is considerably less than using Oracle. Microsoft is famous for doing this sort of thing, that is buying out a competitor (or potential competitor), cannibalizing what code they need for their own product, then killing the thing they bought. I cite Foxpro (formerly Fox Software), and that anti-spyware that eventually became Microsoft Anti-spyware. If this is Oracle's intention for mySQL, I would at least like to know now. I just don't want to paint myself into a corner by developing for mySQL on On-Rev, and then having support discontinued because Oracle kills it. With all due respect, Valentina, although a great product, especially for large databases, seems a little pricey to me for small projects like the one I have in mind, and since mySQL is free for development, I can use it while I decide if what I am trying to do is something I can bring to fruition without actually spending any money up front. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM On Jan 4, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Has anyone heard about this proposed acquisition of Sun by Oracle? I got an email from mo...@helpmysql.org wanting me to sign some petition to help keep mySQL open source. I'm not sure if this guy is crying Wolf, or if this is a real issue. Also, since On-rev uses mySQL, I want to ensure we are not going to get pinged for future licensing, if I develop solutions and host them on on-rev. I think he's worried about his baby. snip ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Change in brushpattern access in 4.x?
Hi, I'm just returning to RR after having used 3.0. I found that there is no longer any access to brushpatterns in the paint pallette or on the properties list. My question: is there anyway to specify a brushpattern through the user interface in 4.x? I'm aware of setting brushpattern to a number, but would like my students to have an easier path at first. Thanks, Bill Sterner ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
On 1/4/10 10:53 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: oic. I am wondering then how this is going to impact On-Rev, which offers mySQL support? I intended to write a multiuser application and host it on my On-Rev site, but I am wondering now if Runrev is going to be forced to charge users an extra fee to continue to host MySQL if Oracle ever decides to up the ante, so to speak, or even discontinue mySQL to force people to adopt Oracle. Having a certain department here who purchased Solaris and Oracle long ago for their server(s) and databases, I can testify that these are VERY PRICEY options, and are overkill for almost all but the high end database needs. Monty seems to have a good point, in that he thinks Oracle is not going to compete against itself by continuing the licensing scheme of mySQL, if it is considerably less than using Oracle. Microsoft is famous for doing this sort of thing, that is buying out a competitor (or potential competitor), cannibalizing what code they need for their own product, then killing the thing they bought. I cite Foxpro (formerly Fox Software), and that anti-spyware that eventually became Microsoft Anti-spyware. If this is Oracle's intention for mySQL, I would at least like to know now. If Monty so worried about mySQL, why he have sale it? Right? Yes Bob, although everybody around (even Lynn) say, Oracle need Java, I say: Oracle want kill mySQL from moment when mySQL team becomes so aggressive to start publish in magazines benches and other things which did show that mySQL can replace Oracle in corporations. Yes, Oracle uses Java. But primary source of profit for Oracle is what? Right - DBMS. MySQL is enemy for Oracle. This is clear as a day. :) -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
On Jan 4, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: oic. I am wondering then how this is going to impact On-Rev, which offers mySQL support? On-rev also supports pgSQL out of the box. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
There will be clones to run the same code before there will be a crisis. Your database will not stop working and the 'Language' will not go away. MySQL compatibility will be a buzzword. And anyway, there is also Valentina - many times faster and reasonable licensing. Perhaps ON-Rev should offer V as an option? - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/4 Troy Rollins troy_li...@rpsystems.net On Jan 4, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: oic. I am wondering then how this is going to impact On-Rev, which offers mySQL support? On-rev also supports pgSQL out of the box. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: on deleteGroup
On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David Bovill wrote: Just noticed that the deleteGroup message is not sent when the group is nested - anyone got an idea how to get around this? Say you have a group that you want to do some tidying up if a user deletes it - and so you put a handler like this in the group itself: on deleteGroup beep doSomeTidying pass deleteGroup end deleteGroup Which works fine if it is a toplevel group - but when this group is inside another group deleting the toplevel group triggers a deleteGroup message which travels up the hierarchy to the card - but no deleteGroup messages are sent from the inner groups - this means you can't attach appropriate behaviors to the groups. Wandering if anyone has looked at this - I can't think how to do it as deleteGroup is sent after deletion so even a frontscript would not be able to tell what was inside a deleted group. Even the new closeControl message does not seem to be sent in these circumstances? David, Maybe you'll need to check the child objects of the group before you delete the parent group. If they have child groups delete them first from the inside out, so that each group is deleted individually and so triggers the deleteGroup message. repeat with x= 1 to the number of groups in group parent if there is a group x of group parent then delete group x of group parent else exit repeat end if end repeat Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exagofon
Combine that with a touch screen and gestures and you really have something there. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:55 AM, René Micout wrote: Bonjour à tous (Hello everybody), I wish you a happy new year (bonne année, bonne santé !) For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress. There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube : part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc Sorry but the voice (mine) speak french (it is so easy !). It is better in HD and full screen (it is also written in french !!!) All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh). I received this list very helpful and I thank all who have contributed. Bons souvenirs de Paris René ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Text anomaly
Isn't the slash used to denote the hotkey of the menu option? I made a menu driven app once and I recalled that was how you indicated which letter would be the command key or something of the sort. As indicated earlier, you have to escape the slash if you want a real slash to appear and not be interpreted as the command key. Bob On Jan 4, 2010, at 9:19 AM, James Hurley wrote: Thanks Terry. I presume this anomalous behavior of / in setting the text of a popup menu must have something to do with a similar use in the menu bar. I can't find a summary of this in the docs or the User Guide. Can you point me to it? Thanks, Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Interface question
Nicely done Jacque! Thanks for the solution ;) It inspired me another solution that I've experimented for fun. It's something combining zoom the size of the text and the Mac/Windows stack resizer available on the Object Library. When the user resize the field by drag drop, the size of the text is resized too. I confess that I cheated a little because I take care only here of the proportion of the field width. We could imagine add a zoom box to maximize the size of the field and so the size of the text. In case of it useful to someone, here is the code: 1) In a button placed on the bottom right of each field local lMoving, lDistance constant cFldName=Field -- Put here the name of the field on mouseDown put true into lMoving put the right of fld cFldName - item 1 of the Mouseloc,the bottom of fld cFldName - item 2 of the MouseLoc into lDistance end mouseDown on mouseUp put false into lMoving unlock cursor end mouseUp on mouseRelease put false into lMoving unlock Cursor end mouseRelease on mouseMove if lMoving then moveAndResizeFld cFldName, lDistance end if end mouseMove 2) In the card script on moveAndResizeFld pFldName, pDistance put item 1 to 2 of the rect of fld pFldName,item 1 of the Mouseloc+item 1 of pDistance,item 2 of the Mouseloc+item 2 of pDistance into tRect if item 3 of tRect (the uMinWidth of fld pFldName+the left of fld pFldName) then put (the uMinWidth of fld pFldName+the left of fld pFldName) into item 3 of tRect if item 4 of tRect (the uMinHeight of fld pFldName+the top of fld pFldName) then put (the uMinHeight of fld pFldName+the top of fld pFldName) into item 4 of tRect if item 3 of tRect (the uMaxWidth of fld pFldName+the left of fld pFldName) then put (the uMaxWidth of fld pFldName+the left of fld pFldName) into item 3 of tRect if item 4 of tRect (the uMaxHeight of fld pFldName+the top of fld pFldName) then put (the uMaxHeight of fld pFldName+the top of fld pFldName) into item 4 of tRect lock screen set the rect of fld pFldName to tRect set the bottomRight of the target to bottomRight of fld pFldName get (width of fld pFldName / the uMinWidth of fld pFldName) set the textsize of fld pFldName to the round of (the uTextSize of fld pFldName * it) set the textheight of fld pFldName to the round of (the uTextheight of fld pFldName * it) unlock screen end moveAndResizeFld It's just a quick adaptation of the Mac/Windows stack resizer available in the Revolution's Object Library but it doing the job;) Note that I've used the custom properties for emulate min and max size of the field. Plus I've transposed the screenMouseLoc which works well for a stack by the mouseLoc property which works better for managing objects in a card. -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) 2010/1/3 J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com: I got lots of good answers here but they all involved some kind of second field, which I wasn't keen on. Someone had suggested a magnifying glass effect, but that doesn't allow easy editing. It did give me an idea though. The upshoot is that we decided to implement a dynamically resizing field, which for our situation works pretty well. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
oic. I am wondering then how this is going to impact On-Rev, which offers mySQL support? I intended to write a multiuser application and host it on my On-Rev site, but I am wondering now if Runrev is going to be forced to charge users an extra fee to continue to host MySQL if Oracle ever decides to up the ante, so to speak, or even discontinue mySQL to force people to adopt Oracle. I could see development slowing down a bit (though it was already very slow for the community edition of MYSQL), but I expect it will keep going. Oracle has absorbed a number of other databases over the years. I just don't want to paint myself into a corner by developing for mySQL on On-Rev, and then having support discontinued because Oracle kills it. With all due respect, Valentina, although a great product, especially for large databases, seems a little pricey to me for small projects like the one I have in mind, and since mySQL is free for development, I can use it while I decide if what I am trying to do is something I can bring to fruition without actually spending any money up front. While you can use MySQL for free, it isn't free for commercial development. On the commercial side, Valentina is very competitive vs MySQL. We get a lot of MySQL users coming our way so we try to make them as welcome as possible. For example, if you look at our PHP API, you can do a lot with a simple search/replace of a prefix for porting your app. The database market is a very mature market - meaning, its been around for long enough that there are really big players in the market (1-3), and a lot of products that, facing the behemoths, offer specific features that attract very specific kinds of customers and understand that its likely they won't kick the biggest out of the market. The FOSS movement hasn't really changed that, because these are very technical products, and a product being free or not free often represents the smallest cost of developing a project. This is one reason why we really don't worry about the likes of SQLite - its freer that MySQL - its public domain. But there are loads of things Valentina can do that it can't do (and being public domain, we've shook any fruit out of that tree that looked shiny and ripe a long time ago). Developers use Valentina for several reasons. We really push the speed message - we get a lot of BI customers who are dumping from other dbs into Valentina to do custom analysis applications. That's a hot market for us. There are other reasons too - features we spend a lot of time on to differentiate it from the competition. Maybe its bad to say so, but when I buy a new product (that isn't purchased for pure hedonism), I usually have asked myself how Im going to make money with it - we try to do that when planning Valentina updates. A lot of our main point releases, like 4.3 or soon to be released 4.5, we try to include features that our customers can turn around and make into *their* next feature. If a complex but common sort of query against 200,000 records is 20% faster, that could mean our customers (who are developers) can come out with a new version of their product and say now 20% faster!. It's the same sort of approach in picking and upgrading your development environment :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
Hello, To Download for FREE the classic, Revolution-built Monks CD-ROM visit: http://rivertext.com/ Please let me know, if you have any issues with the download or installation, as I plan on sending Press Releases out early tomorrow morning, Thanks to everyone for their offers and suggestions for helping with the free downloads of the IF MONKS HAD MACS CD-ROM. The most intriguing suggestion was to use the public folder of my Dropbox. I think that explaining what I learned about Dropbox will be of use to a lot of folks so I will explain that below. If you don't know about Dropbox, you go there and get 2 gigabytes of FREE storage that you can use just by dragging to the alias of a drop box on your hard drive. It is easier to use for storage then Apple's MobleME. But it's real value is that you can share folders within your Dropbox with folks you are working on project with and everytime you update something in a shared folder it gets updated on the computer of everyone who is sharing that folder. What I learned this weekend is that you can link to items in your shared folder from you web page and the visitors to your web site will never know that they aren't downloading from your own server. It is seamless, and the files don't disappear if they aren't downloaded as they do on Rapidshare or FileFactory -- which are hardly seamless as the user has to pass a human test by inputing letters and then waiting 30 seconds watching a message to upgrade to their professional version. Anyway, if you are interested in Dropbox now click the link below. (and if a few of you sign up for a free Dropbox account I'll get the space back for my own Dropbox use that I'm giving up to host Monks there.) https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTI4NDQ3ODY5 -- Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
Do you know that the launcher file is a Unix document, and not an application? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
Yes I know it is not an application, and there is a story attached to that one Colin. But, it works, doesn't it? Why? Monks was more than an interactive presentation. There were 2 applications -- a Journal and an e-book reader -- built-in, in addition to the interactive presentation. Since we didn't want the user to have to have enough memory to run 3 Revolution standalones at the same time (this was planned out in last millennium) we put the Rev engine into one of the standalone's -- so they would have to only have two standalones open at most. So, the Rev engine in the Journal runs the interactive presentation and the journal application. If you open the Journal app you go straight into the sophisticated Journaling application, if you open the document you go straight into the Cloister and the interactive presentation. *** Colin -- I remember fondly a few of the things you said to me when we were building Monks like: If Monks had Windows they'd jump out of them. It turned out that with Revolution Windows development was a piece of cake. However, we were developing it at the same time that Revolution was working out its bugs with the Mac platform and Steve Jobs was jerking that platform around every few month with a new version of OS X -- that changed the underpinnings of the OS. This is long, but, now I'm ready to tell the story. Just before the burning of the CD's a new version of Revolution came out with something we needed, but broke the perfectly sensible code we were using to launch Monks. So, Sarah, from this Revlist saved the launch by writing for us an Applescript that relied of our Monks creator code to launch Monks. And, I thought, why throw away the old launcher, I think I'll just leave it on the CD-ROM and call it the back-up launcher even though it stopped working. Maybe someday it will work again... And that, is really a nutty way to think. However, five years later, Snow Leopard stop recognizing Creator Codes and Sarah's AppleScript stopped working. Then I checked the Back-up launcher... and it worked On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: Do you know that the launcher file is a Unix document, and not an application? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Oracle buyout of Sun and it's affects on mySQL
On 04.01.2010 at 12:53 Uhr -0800 Bob Sneidar apparently wrote: oic. I am wondering then how this is going to impact On-Rev, which offers mySQL support? I intended to write a multiuser application and host it on my On-Rev site, but I am wondering now if Runrev is going to be forced to charge users an extra fee to continue to host MySQL if Oracle ever decides to up the ante, so to speak, or even discontinue mySQL to force people to adopt Oracle. Having a certain department here who purchased Solaris and Oracle long ago for their server(s) and databases, I can testify that these are VERY PRICEY options, and are overkill for almost all but the high end database needs. Another plausible scenario could be that Oracle decides to have two revenue streams, Oracle on the high-end and MySQL on the lower-end, expanding the scope of their products and keeping MySQL free for non-commercial users but cutting down its high-end features. All of this is however pure speculation and we just have to wait and see. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
Thanks for the download. I'd never seen MONKS before, although I knew of its existence, being a Mac developer in the late 80s. What hasn't been talked about is the excellent extra NEW material that Brian added. Great photography and essay. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/4 Brian Thomas insidepoc...@gmail.com Yes I know it is not an application, and there is a story attached to that one Colin. But, it works, doesn't it? Why? Monks was more than an interactive presentation. There were 2 applications -- a Journal and an e-book reader -- built-in, in addition to the interactive presentation. Since we didn't want the user to have to have enough memory to run 3 Revolution standalones at the same time (this was planned out in last millennium) we put the Rev engine into one of the standalone's -- so they would have to only have two standalones open at most. So, the Rev engine in the Journal runs the interactive presentation and the journal application. If you open the Journal app you go straight into the sophisticated Journaling application, if you open the document you go straight into the Cloister and the interactive presentation. *** Colin -- I remember fondly a few of the things you said to me when we were building Monks like: If Monks had Windows they'd jump out of them. It turned out that with Revolution Windows development was a piece of cake. However, we were developing it at the same time that Revolution was working out its bugs with the Mac platform and Steve Jobs was jerking that platform around every few month with a new version of OS X -- that changed the underpinnings of the OS. This is long, but, now I'm ready to tell the story. Just before the burning of the CD's a new version of Revolution came out with something we needed, but broke the perfectly sensible code we were using to launch Monks. So, Sarah, from this Revlist saved the launch by writing for us an Applescript that relied of our Monks creator code to launch Monks. And, I thought, why throw away the old launcher, I think I'll just leave it on the CD-ROM and call it the back-up launcher even though it stopped working. Maybe someday it will work again... And that, is really a nutty way to think. However, five years later, Snow Leopard stop recognizing Creator Codes and Sarah's AppleScript stopped working. Then I checked the Back-up launcher... and it worked On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: Do you know that the launcher file is a Unix document, and not an application? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
On Jan 4, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Brian Thomas insidepoc...@gmail.com wrote: is a story attached to that one Colin. But, it works, doesn't it? Well, double clicking on it brings up a dialog asking me which program to use. As it's a Unix document, should I use Terminal? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
Is anyone else having having trouble getting the OS X version to launch? I just double-click on the new launcher in the If Monks had Macs folder and it launches Monks everytime. Works from the doc, too. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: On Jan 4, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Brian Thomas insidepoc...@gmail.com wrote: is a story attached to that one Colin. But, it works, doesn't it? Well, double clicking on it brings up a dialog asking me which program to use. As it's a Unix document, should I use Terminal? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: If Monks CD-ROM - test download please
Lauches OK for me. Thanks for the download, Brian! On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Brian Thomas wrote: Is anyone else having having trouble getting the OS X version to launch? I just double-click on the new launcher in the If Monks had Macs folder and it launches Monks everytime. Works from the doc, too. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: On Jan 4, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Brian Thomas insidepoc...@gmail.com wrote: is a story attached to that one Colin. But, it works, doesn't it? Well, double clicking on it brings up a dialog asking me which program to use. As it's a Unix document, should I use Terminal? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Does Rev Ltd. still have a PR forwarding service?
When Monks was released Runrve had a service which would send your Revolution related press release out to a hundred places. If they still do that does anyone know who to contact to access that service -- Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Does Rev Ltd. still have a PR forwarding service?
Hi Brian, Here is the contact data you asked about. Samantha Steinwinder Office: 206.760.9809 Mobile: 206.713.6983 saman...@conceptpr.net www.conceptpr.net LinkedIn Profile Twitter Ed On Jan 4, 2010, at 8:51 PM, Brian Thomas wrote: When Monks was released Runrve had a service which would send your Revolution related press release out to a hundred places. If they still do that does anyone know who to contact to access that service -- Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AnimationEngine and Creating Icons in Photoshop...?
DISCLAIMER: This question is targeting Malte Brill and is more Photoshop related then Rev...however I thought it might be useful for others, so here goes... I've been experimenting with Animation Engine, and have been creating some icons that work as levers, odd shaped dials, etc. etc. Using some of the nice functions that Malte has created and his excellent examples I can set the icon ID of button to give the illusion of these icons turning. However, the hard part seems creating the 360 icon representations for the animations and such. I have access to Adobe CS3 (PS, Fireworks, Illus, etc.) but I'm no expert in any of these apps, especially when it comest to automating processes. In PhotoShop I can create Actions however, doing something like...create layer, rotate 1 degree, copy layer, repeat, repeat, 360 times, does not seem to be in my range of expertise :-) Malte, or any of the other graphic experts (Scott R., Richard G.), Do you have any sites or tips you can point me to for automating the creation of images for animations and icons? Thank you! John Patten ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Attaching files to a document like a file system
Good question. A number of users have asked for the ability to store documents in InfoWallet. These could be anything from pictures or medical image scans to Word or PDF documents for Power of Attorney, Wills, Contracts, etc. The requests have been to have them together with their other information in their wallet and to have them encrypted. I was thinking that I could simply store them in custom properties in their existing data file (i.e. Wallet file). While that would work fine for a small number of documents it would become unwieldy with either many or very large documents. Long before they would reach the 4 GB limit for a stack file (InfoWallet stores its data in a stack file) saving the entire file would take much too long on a USB attached flash drive. Instead of doing that I was thinking of either cloning a small stack for each document and compressing, encrypting, and adding the document to the custom property of that stack or even more directly just compressing and encrypting the document at the file system in a folder. Either of these would work cross platform. While it wouldn't be a big deal to have the user import the document and I process it, exporting or viewing the document would be a multi-step process 1) Decrypt, uncompress, and export the file to the disk, 2) opening the file. This would be additional steps and would leave the unprotected file on the file system. Perhaps there is a way to do this transparently directly from the program without saving a copy to the disk but I can't think of it. Opening a document that comes via email or web download appears to do this but in actuality they download and store a copy of the actual document somewhere on disk and then open it. Encrypt-stick software (https://www.encrypt-stick.com/) creates disk image type vaults that behave like a password protected, encrypted disk and I thought that was kind of cool but I can't figure out how to do that in Rev. You can create this kind of thing on the Mac with Disk Tools creating an encrypted and password protected disk image but it won't work on Windows or Linux. Since they create a disk-like storage system other programs can open or save directly to it or the user can copy to or from it. I don't need that level of functionality but it would be good to make the viewing and/or exporting to disk of a stored document a one-step clickable process that doesn't expose the file to the file system. Bill Vlahos On Jan 4, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: Bill, are you asking that your app InfoWallet should use it's open/save dialogs to look into some stack/datastore to open/save the file? If so, then I believe that is possible, but maybe not with Rev as it currently works. It would require that the Rev file IO code should be able to hook into some kind of Virtual File System e.g. a custom property set of a stack, or maybe even a relational database. If your asking that other apps should be able to open/save documents to InfoWallet, then I think that maybe be very difficult. The only way I can think for you to do that is to look at impliment something like a webdav/ftp server within your app. But even if that works, it would require mappying the OS filesystem such that the filesystem was talking to your in-built server. Bernard On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote: I want to add the ability to store documents encrypted in InfoWallet. I can figure out how to simply add them either to a custom property or just encrypt on disk. It would be great to be able to treat the storage like a disk instead of attached files that can be imported and exported where you can open-from and save-to them and copy to and from it. Apple's Disk Tools can create these types of disk images that can be encrypted but they only work on the Mac. Any ideas on how this can be done in Rev that works cross platform? Bill Vlahos ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin3D for Revolution Anyone get it to work - fixed mac
Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: Hi Ralf, Aha, was mistake in RELEASE build. FIXED. Mac archive uploaded once again 5 min ago. Tested on clean MAC, works. OK things are looking better, you might update your notes to tell us all that the init string (to add the win and mac serial numbers) is now in the START button.. found it. But I am unable to save the demo and after looking thru some o the demo scripts finallly executing at 7:20:43 PM TypeDEMO time is over. Object START Line get franklin3D_Init(F3DRV-W-XXX,F3DRV-MXXX) -- First parameter - serial number for Windows version and second for Mac OS HintDEMO time is over. h ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AnimationEngine and Creating Icons in Photoshop...?
Recently, John Patten wrote: I've been experimenting with Animation Engine, and have been creating some icons that work as levers, odd shaped dials, etc. etc. Using some of the nice functions that Malte has created and his excellent examples I can set the icon ID of button to give the illusion of these icons turning. However, the hard part seems creating the 360 icon representations for the animations and such. I have access to Adobe CS3 (PS, Fireworks, Illus, etc.) but I'm no expert in any of these apps, especially when it comest to automating processes. In PhotoShop I can create Actions however, doing something like...create layer, rotate 1 degree, copy layer, repeat, repeat, 360 times, does not seem to be in my range of expertise :-) Malte, or any of the other graphic experts (Scott R., Richard G.), Do you have any sites or tips you can point me to for automating the creation of images for animations and icons? Well since you asked, I'll offer a response for what it's worth... First, I would never create 360 images for dial rotation -- that's way too many images, and even without knowing exactly what you're doing, I doubt you'd be able to see much difference in anything finer than say 60 to 120 increments. Unless your composite image employs some special shading that needs to stay oriented at a specific angle, you might be able to use one image and set its angle as needed. Even if your situation does require the use of multiple images, there's got to be a more efficient option than using 360 separate images. On a dial, for example, you might make only one graphic tick mark rotate, while keeping the base image static. And if you used a circular tick mark, you can simply set its position radially around the dial and don't even have to mess with rotation at all. Or you could create a series of graphic tick marks positioned radially around a base image, and set the opacity/blendLevel/backColor of the active tick based on the implied rotation of the dial (think of the OS X timer icon that consists of a series of 12 radial tick marks that spin and yet don't really spin -- motion is implied by changing the opacity/color of the tick marks). Hopefully the above illustrates that there are many ways to create dials and levers. If you have a specific control you're trying to create, post it somewhere and we could take a look. Hope this helps. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exagofon
Bob, Yes, I play it, now, with a pen tablet/screen Wacom Cintiq but I am waiting a screen/tablet multitouch... Bons souvenirs de Paris René Le 4 janv. 2010 à 23:05, Bob Sneidar a écrit : Combine that with a touch screen and gestures and you really have something there. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:55 AM, René Micout wrote: Bonjour à tous (Hello everybody), I wish you a happy new year (bonne année, bonne santé !) For two years now I work on my first musical application : Exagofon. It is not completed (Midi File saving) but good progress. There is a presentation (3 parts) on YouTube : part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMQ5E2tiVo part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhnENNcAqc part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_J3BMnqSKc Sorry but the voice (mine) speak french (it is so easy !). It is better in HD and full screen (it is also written in french !!!) All is made with RunRev (4.0) + PlayCommand X (on Macintosh). I received this list very helpful and I thank all who have contributed. Bons souvenirs de Paris René ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] libGrowl 1.3.0
Just re-released the Growl library and it has been streamlined to make it easier to use.. This library makes use of AppleScript to work with Growl.. Check if the Growl system is installed and running: growlIsAvailable() To send a notification to the Growl system: growlNotify applicationName, growlTitle, growlDescription For more information and to download www.shaosean.tk -Sean ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Attaching files to a document like a file system
On Jan 5, 2010, at 5:36 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote: exporting or viewing the document would be a multi-step process 1) Decrypt, uncompress, and export the file to the disk, 2) opening the file. This would be additional steps and would leave the unprotected file on the file system. Perhaps there is a way to do this transparently directly from the program without saving a copy to the disk but I can't think of it. Opening a document that comes via email or web download appears to do this but in actuality they download and store a copy of the actual document somewhere on disk and then open it. While this might not be a complete solution, maybe it helps: When you open a document open it as a temp file so at least the file is not easily grabbed. When your app closes, or maybe even when a viewer in your app closes or goes to a new item, have it also write over that temp file with gibberish, or simply have the temp file deleted. I did that for an app that played videos that were compressed and saved as custom properties - then reopened as temp files and played. sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
