RE: Rev and the iPad
Kay, another true computer scientist. -Original Message- From: Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:11 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Rev and the iPad Oops. Getting late. Meant to say: The best way to PREDICT the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 2, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: The best way to invent the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jeff Massung mass...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Kurt Kaufman kkauf...@snet.net wrote: [The entire original message is not included] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Dear all, i think it is all said. Please stop this annoying discussion. This list is called use-revolution, so maybe we can come back to this again. Thank you! Matthias Am 03.05.2010 um 07:23 schrieb Randall Lee Reetz: Are you closer to understanding entropy and the evolution of complexity now? -Original Message- From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:17 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall, Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church? -Original Message- From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue [The entire original message is not included] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue)
Dear all, i think it is all said. Please stop this annoying discussion. This list is called use-revolution, so maybe we can come back to this again. Thank you! Matthias Am 03.05.2010 um 07:47 schrieb Randall Lee Reetz: Why don't you ask the guys at adobe if their content is really aware. -Original Message- From: Ian Wood revl...@azurevision.co.uk Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:27 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Now we're getting somewhere that actually has some vague relevance to the list. On 2 May 2010, at 22:39, Randall Reetz wrote: I had assumed your questions were rhetorical. If I ask the same questions multiple times you can be sure that they're not rhetorical. When I say that software hasn't changed I mean to say that it hasn't jumped qualitative categories. We are still living in a world where computing exists as pre-written and compiled software that is blindly executed by machines and stacked foundational code that has no idea what it is processing, can only process linearly, all semantics have been stripped, it doesn't learn from experience or react to context unless this too has been pre-codified and frozen in binary or byte code, etc. etc etc. Hardware has been souped up. So our little wrote tricks can be made more elaborate within the substantial confines mentioned. These same in-paradigm restrictions apply to both the software users slog through and the software we use to write software. As a result, these very plastic machines with mercurial potential are reduced to simple players that react to user interrupts. They are sequencing systems, not unlike the lead type setting racks of Guttenburg-era printing presses. Sure we have taught them some interesting seeming tricks – if you can represent something as digital media, be it sound, video, multi-dimentional graph space, markup – our sequencer doesn't know enough to care. So for you, for something to be 'revolutionary' it has to involve a full paradigm shift? That's a more extreme definition than most people use. Current processors are capable of 6.5 million instructions per second but are used less than a billionth of available cycles by the standard users running standard software. From a pedantic, technical point of view, these days if the processor is being used that little then it will ramp down the clock speed, which has some environmental and practical benefits in itself. ;-) As regards photo editing software, anyone aware of the history of image processing will recognize that most of the stuff seen in photoshop and other programs was proposed and executed on systems long before some guys in france democratized these algorithms for consumer use and had their code acquired by adobe. It used to be called array arithmetic and applied smoothly to images divided up into a grid of pixels. None of these systems see an image for its content except as an array of numbers that can be crunched sequentially like a spread sheet. It was only when object recognition concepts were applied to photos that any kind of compositional grammar could be extracted from an image and compared as parts to other images similarly decomposed. This is a form of semantic processing and has its parallels in other media like text parsers and sound analysis software. You haven't looked up what content-aware fill *is*, have you? It's based on the same basic concepts of pattern-matching/feature detection that facial recognition software is based on but with a different emphasis. To paraphrase, it's not facial recognition that you think is the only revolutionary feature in photography in twenty years, it's pattern- matching/detection/eigenvectors. A lot of time and frustration would have been saved if you'd said that in the first place. Semantics opens the door to the building of systems that understand the content they process. That is the promised second revolution in computation that really hasn't seen any practical light of day as of yet. You're jumping too many steps here - object recognition concepts are in *widespread* use in consumer software and devices, whether it's the aforementioned 'focus-on-a-face' digital cameras, healing brushes in many different pieces of software, feature recognition in panoramic stitching software or even live stitching in some of the new Sony cameras. Semantic processing of content doesn't magically enable a computer to initiate action. Data mining really isn't semantically mindful, simply uses statistical reduction mechanisms to guess at the existence of the location of pattern ( a good first step but missing the grammatical hierarchy necessary to
RE: Rev and the iPad
I hope you are kidding. -Original Message- From: Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:12 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Rev and the iPad Jerry- Sunday, May 2, 2010, 9:11:01 PM, you wrote: Oops. Getting late. Meant to say: The best way to PREDICT the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay No problem. I think Arthur C. Clarke invented the future by predicting it... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue)
Why don't you ask the guys at adobe if their content is really aware. -Original Message- From: Ian Wood revl...@azurevision.co.uk Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:27 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Now we're getting somewhere that actually has some vague relevance to the list. On 2 May 2010, at 22:39, Randall Reetz wrote: I had assumed your questions were rhetorical. If I ask the same questions multiple times you can be sure that they're not rhetorical. When I say that software hasn't changed I mean to say that it hasn't jumped qualitative categories. We are still living in a world where computing exists as pre-written and compiled software that is blindly executed by machines and stacked foundational code that has no idea what it is processing, can only process linearly, all semantics have been stripped, it doesn't learn from experience or react to context unless this too has been pre-codified and frozen in binary or byte code, etc. etc etc. Hardware has been souped up. So our little wrote tricks can be made more elaborate within the substantial confines mentioned. These same in-paradigm restrictions apply to both the software users slog through and the software we use to write software. As a result, these very plastic machines with mercurial potential are reduced to simple players that react to user interrupts. They are sequencing systems, not unlike the lead type setting racks of Guttenburg-era printing presses. Sure we have taught them some interesting seeming tricks if you can represent something as digital media, be it sound, video, multi-dimentional graph space, markup our sequencer doesn't know enough to care. So for you, for something to be 'revolutionary' it has to involve a full paradigm shift? That's a more extreme definition than most people use. Current processors are capable of 6.5 million instructions per second but are used less than a billionth of available cycles by the standard users running standard software. From a pedantic, technical point of view, these days if the processor is being used that little then it will ramp down the clock speed, which has some environmental and practical benefits in itself. ;-) As regards photo editing software, anyone aware of the history of image processing will recognize that most of the stuff seen in photoshop and other programs was proposed and executed on systems long before some guys in france democratized these algorithms for consumer use and had their code acquired by adobe. It used to be called array arithmetic and applied smoothly to images divided up into a grid of pixels. None of these systems see an image for its content except as an array of numbers that can be crunched sequentially like a spread sheet. It was only when object recognition concepts were applied to photos that any kind of compositional grammar could be extracted from an image and compared as parts to other images similarly decomposed. This is a form of semantic processing and has its parallels in other media like text parsers and sound analysis software. You haven't looked up what content-aware fill *is*, have you? It's based on the same basic concepts of pattern-matching/feature detection that facial recognition software is based on but with a different emphasis. To paraphrase, it's not facial recognition that you think is the only revolutionary feature in photography in twenty years, it's pattern- matching/detection/eigenvectors. A lot of time and frustration would have been saved if you'd said that in the first place. Semantics opens the door to the building of systems that understand the content they process. That is the promised second revolution in computation that really hasn't seen any practical light of day as of yet. You're jumping too many steps here - object recognition concepts are in *widespread* use in consumer software and devices, whether it's the aforementioned 'focus-on-a-face' digital cameras, healing brushes in many different pieces of software, feature recognition in panoramic stitching software or even live stitching in some of the new Sony cameras. Semantic processing of content doesn't magically enable a computer to initiate action. Data mining really isn't semantically mindful, simply uses statistical reduction mechanisms to guess at the existence of the location of pattern ( a good first step but missing the grammatical hierarchy necessary to work towards a self optimized and domain independent ability to detect and represent salience in the stacked grammar that makes up any complex system. Combining pattern-matching with adaptive systems, whether they be neural networks or something else is another matter
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On 03/05/2010 05:17, Mark Swindell wrote: Randall, Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. Mark Very well said. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
I guess if a person is sufficiently ignorant or has their fingers in their ears and screams, any honest answer will slip by un recognized. Would you like it better if I said the future of computing is better touch up tools in photo editors? In the nixon administration your rhetorical technique was called rat f___ing and was used as you are to thwart opponents who would win legitimate and fair debates or elections. Tell me your great vision of computation or at the very least why you are so threatened by me. -Original Message- From: Randall Lee Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:23 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Are you closer to understanding entropy and the evolution of complexity now? -Original Message- From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:17 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall, Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and [The entire original message is not included] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue)
I can see how the word revolution in the context of this list has acquired so anemic and castrated a meaning. I am sorry. Next time, I will use a word that means all the way around, or when a king is replaced by a democracy. time. -Original Message- From: Ian Wood revl...@azurevision.co.uk Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:27 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Now we're getting somewhere that actually has some vague relevance to the list. On 2 May 2010, at 22:39, Randall Reetz wrote: I had assumed your questions were rhetorical. If I ask the same questions multiple times you can be sure that they're not rhetorical. When I say that software hasn't changed I mean to say that it hasn't jumped qualitative categories. We are still living in a world where computing exists as pre-written and compiled software that is blindly executed by machines and stacked foundational code that has no idea what it is processing, can only process linearly, all semantics have been stripped, it doesn't learn from experience or react to context unless this too has been pre-codified and frozen in binary or byte code, etc. etc etc. Hardware has been souped up. So our little wrote tricks can be made more elaborate within the substantial confines mentioned. These same in-paradigm restrictions apply to both the software users slog through and the software we use to write software. As a result, these very plastic machines with mercurial potential are reduced to simple players that react to user interrupts. They are sequencing systems, not unlike the lead type setting racks of Guttenburg-era printing presses. Sure we have taught them some interesting seeming tricks if you can represent something as digital media, be it sound, video, multi-dimentional graph space, markup our sequencer doesn't know enough to care. So for you, for something to be 'revolutionary' it has to involve a full paradigm shift? That's a more extreme definition than most people use. Current processors are capable of 6.5 million instructions per second but are used less than a billionth of available cycles by the standard users running standard software. From a pedantic, technical point of view, these days if the processor is being used that little then it will ramp down the clock speed, which has some environmental and practical benefits in itself. ;-) As regards photo editing software, anyone aware of the history of image processing will recognize that most of the stuff seen in photoshop and other programs was proposed and executed on systems long before some guys in france democratized these algorithms for consumer use and had their code acquired by adobe. It used to be called array arithmetic and applied smoothly to images divided up into a grid of pixels. None of these systems see an image for its content except as an array of numbers that can be crunched sequentially like a spread sheet. It was only when object recognition concepts were applied to photos that any kind of compositional grammar could be extracted from an image and compared as parts to other images similarly decomposed. This is a form of semantic processing and has its parallels in other media like text parsers and sound analysis software. You haven't looked up what content-aware fill *is*, have you? It's based on the same basic concepts of pattern-matching/feature detection that facial recognition software is based on but with a different emphasis. To paraphrase, it's not facial recognition that you think is the only revolutionary feature in photography in twenty years, it's pattern- matching/detection/eigenvectors. A lot of time and frustration would have been saved if you'd said that in the first place. Semantics opens the door to the building of systems that understand the content they process. That is the promised second revolution in computation that really hasn't seen any practical light of day as of yet. You're jumping too many steps here - object recognition concepts are in *widespread* use in consumer software and devices, whether it's the aforementioned 'focus-on-a-face' digital cameras, healing brushes in many different pieces of software, feature recognition in panoramic stitching software or even live stitching in some of the new Sony cameras. Semantic processing of content doesn't magically enable a computer to initiate action. Data mining really isn't semantically mindful, simply uses statistical reduction mechanisms to guess at the existence of the location of pattern ( a good first step but missing the grammatical hierarchy necessary to work towards a self optimized and domain independent ability to detect and represent salience in the stacked
RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Are you closer to understanding entropy and the evolution of complexity now? -Original Message- From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:17 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall, Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church? -Original Message- From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue [The entire original message is not included] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT, way way OT] Barney, HC, and the glory days
I just keep wondering if early ideas of some of those kids, later in life, materialized like: http://www.southparkstudios.com/ http://htf.atom.com/ Still today, there are hundreds of stacks archived in Umich: http://www.umich.edu/~archive/mac/hypercard/ Computer users have multiplied by 1000% since 1990, sadly enough most younger users spend their time in social networks, as users not as creators. Years ago, when i served as jury in one of the Multimedia Mania award program: http://www.ncsu.edu/mmania/ students presented websites, powerpoint slideshows, Quicktime movies and HyperStudio projects. Ideally, Rev could find sponsors to create Awards like Multimedia Mania, to promote Classroom use of RevMedia. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2123586.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip
Hello, still struggeling with keeping the locked flag of a file when zipping and unzipping. I followed exactly Thierries advice to use following syntax: ditto -c -k --sequesterRsrc SrcFolder testditto.zip and though a locked file in Thierries environment is still locked after unzipping, in my environment (MacOS 10.5.8) the file isn't locked anymore after unzipping. So the difference must be in any other test parameter. What I have tried is following: - Actually I am not sure, if the flag gets lost while zipping or unzipping. Anyhow, after unzipping, controlling the information of the file, the flag is lost - I tried different zip tools for zipping and unzipping (ditto, 7zip, gui tar) with same result - Originally my locked file resides within a bundle, but I tested also with a single locked testfile in the source folder with same result - I tested different compression formats (zip, CPIO) with ditto with same result - When using the ditto option -v (just copying a file) the locked flag is kept, but not with -c (creating a compressed archive) - I also tested the ditto options: ditto -c -k --rsrc --extattr SrcFolder testditto.zip with same result So it seems like my problem isn't the zipping and I am overlooking something obvious outside the zipping process. My Mac knowledge is so small, that I really stuck here, what could cause such a different behavior: OS version, User permission (I have full rights), ditto handling,.? Any advice appreciated Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT, way way OT] Barney, HC, and the glory days
Mark Wieder wrote: And it's been a while since I've seen a *real* HC stack in action - it's mindboggling that people still compare rev with this... er... dinosaur... Well, to be fair, the younger set didn't use most of HC's capabilities, such as they were. I have several hundred other real HC stacks on a CD here, some of which were forum staff picks. And even given HC's limitations, they were extremely well done for the time. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT, way way OT] Barney, HC, and the glory days
Thomas McGrath III wrote: WOW, does this take me back to the old days... I just want to go code a card based animation in BW and see if it will go viral on Facebook! You have to get a nine year old to do it. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Mark Wieder wrote: Colin- Sunday, May 2, 2010, 8:52:47 PM, you wrote: On May 2, 2010, at 11:47 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Should we just keep dancing on titanic's deck? Is stupidity the new brilliant? Aha! Hence the new Apple slogan: Sink Different. Groan/ Kill Colin! See TheShortMovie. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev and the iPad
I just want a viable programming language on Linux. When stuff happens, I try to figure out whether they make it more or less likely that we'll be able to get it from Rev. You can't avoid trying to figure out what is going to happen, unless you want to make decisions by tossing a coin. I wish Rev well in its efforts to get into the App Store, but given limited resources, it does seem that success here might be, most probably will be, maybe already has been, at the expense of Linux versions, including Android, which is after all Linux. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Rev-and-the-iPad-tp2123407p2123609.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip
Le 3 mai 2010 à 08:54, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit : Hello, still struggeling with keeping the locked flag of a file when zipping and unzipping. I followed exactly Thierries advice to use following syntax: ditto -c -k --sequesterRsrc SrcFolder testditto.zip :( and though a locked file in Thierries environment is still locked after unzipping, in my environment (MacOS 10.5.8) the file isn't locked anymore after unzipping. MacOS 10.6 here. Could it be this ? new ditto version in it ? So the difference must be in any other test parameter. What I have tried is following: - Actually I am not sure, if the flag gets lost while zipping or unzipping. Anyhow, after unzipping, controlling the information of the file, the flag is lost - I tried different zip tools for zipping and unzipping (ditto, 7zip, gui tar) with same result No, no ! --sequesterRsrc works only with PKZip Do in a terminal: ditto -h Usage: ditto [ options ] src [ ... src ] dst options are any of: ... -X do not descend into directories with a different device ID .. -c create an archive at dst (by default CPIO format) -x src(s) are archives -z gzip compress CPIO archive -j bzip2 compress CPIO archive -k archives are PKZip --sequesterRsrc copy resources via polite directory (PKZip only) Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip
Bonjour Thierry, thank you for caring :) and though a locked file in Thierries environment is still locked after unzipping, in my environment (MacOS 10.5.8) the file isn't locked anymore after unzipping. MacOS 10.6 here. Could it be this ? new ditto version in it ? Actually I don't think so, it must be something more obvious - so obvious, that I don't see it And I think this must be such a standard behavior, which hasn't changed since ages. - I tried different zip tools for zipping and unzipping (ditto, 7zip, gui tar) with same result No, no ! --sequesterRsrc works only with PKZip No no, I didn't tried to use the ditto parameters with the other tools :). I just tested the other tools with their standard gui without any special parameters, just to see, if it is a ditto issue. Do in a terminal: ditto -h Usage: ditto [ options ] src [ ... src ] dst options are any of: ... -X do not descend into directories with a different device ID .. -c create an archive at dst (by default CPIO format) -x src(s) are archives -z gzip compress CPIO archive -j bzip2 compress CPIO archive -k archives are PKZip --sequesterRsrc copy resources via polite directory (PKZip only) Yes I am studying the man ditto since days and tried all combinations of parameters so that I now think it has nothing to do with the zipping tool, but something completely different. Something like ... ? Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip
Le 3 mai 2010 à 09:56, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit : Another thought : Have you all the rights ( user and group ) to do so ? May be worth a try with this one : sudo ditto ... Good luck Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: AW: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip
Same result, thank you Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Thierry D. Gesendet: Montag, 3. Mai 2010 10:13 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip Le 3 mai 2010 à 09:56, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit : Another thought : Have you all the rights ( user and group ) to do so ? May be worth a try with this one : sudo ditto ... Good luck Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of confidence. I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and whistles it's critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. But in Steve's hands I know it will be a success. I've been blown away by what some people have dreamt up for the thing. After seeing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFmtQWrYNg If I had grandchildren, I'd buy one for them, not question. My wife will undoubtedly buy one, regardless of my 'what for???' protests. And if I somehow manage to get out of paying for it, she'll persuade her work to buy a couple. Some think that the Flash decision is wrong, but really all they are reflecting is the fact that they themselves couldn't make it work because of all their own sediment. Whether it's right or wrong isn't anywhere near as important as whether Steve can continue to make money without Flash, and I, and I'm sure most on this List, deep down, believe he can. Steve knows the market, knows how to spin things, knows where he's headed, knows the steps to get there, knows what life is like with Flash, and has a good handle on what life will be like without Flash, and it is he who has chosen the time to pull the plug. The Future will shortly be History repeating itself. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Wow! well said Kay... commonsense is back in town. On 03/05/2010, at 6:34 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of confidence. I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and whistles it's critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. But in Steve's hands I know it will be a success. I've been blown away by what some people have dreamt up for the thing. After seeing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFmtQWrYNg If I had grandchildren, I'd buy one for them, not question. My wife will undoubtedly buy one, regardless of my 'what for???' protests. And if I somehow manage to get out of paying for it, she'll persuade her work to buy a couple. Some think that the Flash decision is wrong, but really all they are reflecting is the fact that they themselves couldn't make it work because of all their own sediment. Whether it's right or wrong isn't anywhere near as important as whether Steve can continue to make money without Flash, and I, and I'm sure most on this List, deep down, believe he can. Steve knows the market, knows how to spin things, knows where he's headed, knows the steps to get there, knows what life is like with Flash, and has a good handle on what life will be like without Flash, and it is he who has chosen the time to pull the plug. The Future will shortly be History repeating itself. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Chris Livermore - Senior Project Manager www.kipmedia.com Mobile 0403 288 504 cont...@kipmedia.com __ B.Sc., Dip.Biol.Sc., Dip.Prof.Comm (multimedia). - Scientific/Medical - multimedia education training - online databases, websites, cd, dvd, video __ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevStore
Le 3 mai 2010 à 00:00, Mark Swindell a écrit : I think a great problem for Rev stacks is that they are mostly created by one-man or woman shops. There are not teams with project directors, artists, photoshop experts, animators, etc. (Scott Rossi may qualify as a team, in this scenario, but he is unique.) This is both liberating and constraining, funny how that works. If there were more collaboration between graphic artists, design experts and programmers, perhaps the output would be more aesthetically viable. But now we're dealing in big budgets. Exact ! Rev is not the problem ! WE (REV PRO DEVLOPERS) WILL REMIND THE PROBLEM AS LONG AS WE WILL NOT BECOME ABLE TO BUILD COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE BASED TEAMS = APPLICATIONS. It seems especially applicable to all the projects we could launch to outpass the limits Rendall is pointing its (and our) reflexion on. In my own mind, we would become lots more credibles and effiscients if we could build such collaborative groups to buid : - web 3 semantical inference engines + imperative rules + adaptative rules based distribued organised objects info collectors and search engines where the search engine would not reside on a central server but on each end-user computer as an revlet browser's plugin and where the search results would be back-shared on the end-user screen and simultaneously sended to a central hash-tables typed shared memory (a PostgreSQL server) for next reuses. - first class n-tier web/ria solutions. - P2P AV streaming solutions. and, more generaly, all the kind of novative apps we could especially design, in getting its best from Rev, to build great inference engines based automats in filling the ways to go i began to synthetise in this paper, for yet (sorry) untranslated to english : http://www.sahores-conseil.com/lbpso.pdf -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevStore
Pierre, It is long but I will read it... C'est long, mais je vais faire l'effort de lire... Bon souvenir de Paris René Le 3 mai 2010 à 11:37, Pierre Sahores a écrit : Le 3 mai 2010 à 00:00, Mark Swindell a écrit : I think a great problem for Rev stacks is that they are mostly created by one-man or woman shops. There are not teams with project directors, artists, photoshop experts, animators, etc. (Scott Rossi may qualify as a team, in this scenario, but he is unique.) This is both liberating and constraining, funny how that works. If there were more collaboration between graphic artists, design experts and programmers, perhaps the output would be more aesthetically viable. But now we're dealing in big budgets. Exact ! Rev is not the problem ! WE (REV PRO DEVLOPERS) WILL REMIND THE PROBLEM AS LONG AS WE WILL NOT BECOME ABLE TO BUILD COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE BASED TEAMS = APPLICATIONS. It seems especially applicable to all the projects we could launch to outpass the limits Rendall is pointing its (and our) reflexion on. In my own mind, we would become lots more credibles and effiscients if we could build such collaborative groups to buid : - web 3 semantical inference engines + imperative rules + adaptative rules based distribued organised objects info collectors and search engines where the search engine would not reside on a central server but on each end-user computer as an revlet browser's plugin and where the search results would be back-shared on the end-user screen and simultaneously sended to a central hash-tables typed shared memory (a PostgreSQL server) for next reuses. - first class n-tier web/ria solutions. - P2P AV streaming solutions. and, more generaly, all the kind of novative apps we could especially design, in getting its best from Rev, to build great inference engines based automats in filling the ways to go i began to synthetise in this paper, for yet (sorry) untranslated to english : http://www.sahores-conseil.com/lbpso.pdf -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition
On 3 May 2010, at 06:47, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Why don't you ask the guys at adobe if their content is really aware. So your only response to someone taking the time to go through your email in a serious manner and discuss the topics included is to take a pot-shot and not respond to any of the points? Yep, put me down as another person who's putting your email address into the spam filter as a troll. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevStore
René, Interesting in getting your feedback ;-) Une version remise en forme sous une forme plus fun (interview par un pote) devrait être dispo. prochainement. Best Regards from Jurançon, Pierre Le 3 mai 2010 à 12:16, René Micout a écrit : Pierre, It is long but I will read it... C'est long, mais je vais faire l'effort de lire... Merci ; c'est dans la navette des idées qu'elles percolent souvent le mieux :D Bon souvenir de Paris René Le 3 mai 2010 à 11:37, Pierre Sahores a écrit : Le 3 mai 2010 à 00:00, Mark Swindell a écrit : I think a great problem for Rev stacks is that they are mostly created by one-man or woman shops. There are not teams with project directors, artists, photoshop experts, animators, etc. (Scott Rossi may qualify as a team, in this scenario, but he is unique.) This is both liberating and constraining, funny how that works. If there were more collaboration between graphic artists, design experts and programmers, perhaps the output would be more aesthetically viable. But now we're dealing in big budgets. Exact ! Rev is not the problem ! WE (REV PRO DEVLOPERS) WILL REMIND THE PROBLEM AS LONG AS WE WILL NOT BECOME ABLE TO BUILD COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE BASED TEAMS = APPLICATIONS. It seems especially applicable to all the projects we could launch to outpass the limits Rendall is pointing its (and our) reflexion on. In my own mind, we would become lots more credibles and effiscients if we could build such collaborative groups to buid : - web 3 semantical inference engines + imperative rules + adaptative rules based distribued organised objects info collectors and search engines where the search engine would not reside on a central server but on each end-user computer as an revlet browser's plugin and where the search results would be back-shared on the end-user screen and simultaneously sended to a central hash-tables typed shared memory (a PostgreSQL server) for next reuses. - first class n-tier web/ria solutions. - P2P AV streaming solutions. and, more generaly, all the kind of novative apps we could especially design, in getting its best from Rev, to build great inference engines based automats in filling the ways to go i began to synthetise in this paper, for yet (sorry) untranslated to english : http://www.sahores-conseil.com/lbpso.pdf -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevStore
I'm sorry I took some time to respond to this; but fell into to bed far too late last night, having got myself (I really need to control myself) stirred up by a certain person. I am sorry about my contribution to that fairly ugly stramash. I think a great problem for Rev stacks is that they are mostly created by one-man or woman shops. There are not teams with project directors, artists, photoshop experts, animators, etc. (Scott Rossi may qualify as a team, in this scenario, but he is unique.) This is both liberating and constraining, funny how that works. If there were more collaboration between graphic artists, design experts and programmers, perhaps the output would be more aesthetically viable. But now we're dealing in big budgets. Exact ! Rev is not the problem ! WE (REV PRO DEVLOPERS) WILL REMIND THE PROBLEM AS LONG AS WE WILL NOT BECOME ABLE TO BUILD COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE BASED TEAMS= APPLICATIONS. 2 points here: 1. Rev is not the problem ! No it isn't; but that statement somehow reminds me of Bulgarian communists who say Communism was not the problem; it was just that people misunderstood it and refused to become good communists. I think that Rev may be part of the problem, because problems are never one-sided, and are usually extremely complicated. Certainly, if the Rev documentation could be sorted out, brought up to date, and purged of references to things and features that are not there any more (c.f. refs to making standalones for ancient computer systems), that would make things a lot smoother. 2. I think a great problem for Rev stacks is that they are mostly created by one-man or woman shops. I think that is only a problem if you expecting socking-great stacks on a par with Adobe Photoshop and so on. To my mind Runtime Revolution is the ideal RAD for developing things to plug vital but overlooked niches (c.f. my Devawriter; the beginning of a series of systems for digitising language texts that use extremely complicated writing systems). It is often a backroom boy/girl who spots these niches and is able to plug them reasonably quickly. While my Devawriter is not state of the art confectionary it does what it sets out to do in a reasonably aesthetic sort of way; one is tempted to wonder if, with that sort of program, a whole hierarchy of project directors, artists, photoshop experts, animators, etc. would have made a particularly significant difference. Particularly as what was required was a font expert, was reasonably competent with GIMP and RunRev, and had a working knowledge of Sanskrit = me . . . :) What, to my mind, is far more important than a whole hierarchy of . . . . is that each program should be put through fairly rigorous Beta testing before it is released. I don't know whether we need to have a committee of experts to judge what could and what couldn't be included in some sort of Rev website like the Apple one: http://www.apple.com/downloads/ (gosh, just thinking about it as a possibility makes me excited) or things couldn't be a bit more Darwinian; if they fly they fly, and if they crash they crash. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Unicode and Windows Vista (repost)
I am reposting this as it seems to have got lost amongst the recent cruft. It actually concerns an aspect of RunRev programming! - Yesterday I wrote: - Recently I had a slightly worrying post from a chap attempting to use my Devawriter on a computer running Windows Vista. The problem is that when Devawriter calls a Unicode character that is not meant to move the cursor/insert place forward, merely print something either above or beneath the preceding character it does not; while printing the character it also moves the insert forward so that everything comes out incorrectly. I tried to duplicate this problem on Mac and Windows XP (not having access to Vista) and was unable to. Luckily this chap managed to get hold of a machine running XP and has had no further problems. I would be extremely grateful if anybody has any ideas and/or advice regarding this problem, as it is a real problem. Obviously Vista does not play ball with Unicode fonts in RunRev in quite the same way that Mac and XP do. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. - Perhaps I should also ask if anybody has experienced anything similar with Windows 7. - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev and the iPad
On May 3, 2010, at 12:11 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: The best way to PREDICT the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay I wonder if Alan Kay predicted that Apple would remove his Scratch App from the App Store. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Colin Holgate: Aha! Hence the new Apple slogan: Sink Different. Please forgive me, but for those who haven't seen it, this clip is right on the mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMhICbFn2JI___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re trouble with Tab Panels
Hi Mark That sort of fixed it - should have guessed from background saying put after card in message path Realised I had two problems though, one not passing and secondly the tab panel seems to have a different group ID on one card. So now it works on two cards (having same Tab panel ID) and not quite right on the third, with a different ID. I suspect I put this one in maually on card 1 before I designated as background on card 2 and created card 3 from that. I suspect If I delete the offending cards and regenerate new cards all will be well now. Many Thanks Steve Sunday, May 2, 2010, 12:34:34 PM, you wrote: I am using simply.. On MenuPick theCard Go to Card theCard End MenuPick Any suggestions? Try On MenuPick theCard Go to Card theCard Pass MenuPick End MenuPick -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing in Windows
Hi Jacqueline Yes, the Printer libraries are included in the standalone build, I've let Rev sort out libraries itself and also tried manually including. This has no effect though Code is : on mouseUp --answer printer (just me experimenting) --answer page setup (Just me experimenting) get the PrintPaperOrientation Put it into Old_Orientation Set the PrintPaperOrientation to Landscape set the printmargins to 72,30,72,30 Set the PrintScale to 0.75 Set the LockScreen to True set the visible of group TAB to false Set the visible of button Print to false Print this card set the visible of group TAB to True Set the visible of button Print to True Set the LockScreen to False set the visible of fld Printing to True -- This is just a dummy to the user while I wait 2 seconds wait for 2 seconds set the visible of fld Printing to False Set the PrintPaperOrientation to Old_Orientation end mouseUp Any help appreciated Cheers Steve Subject: Re: Printing in Windows To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: 4bde3533.9010...@hyperactivesw.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Steve King wrote: Hi All I am also having problems printing in Windows. In development, setting print orientation works fine. In the standalone it doesn't. I get Landscape in the development but portrait (the printer default) in the standalone. I do the following Read printer orientation Store it Set it to landscape Print Wait 2 seconds (incase being set to portrait to quickly) Set back to portrait Any suggestions? If you're using any of the rev prefixed print commands, you need to include the Printing library in the standalone. It doesn't sound like that's the problem though. Can you post the relevant part of your script? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Apples actual response to the Flash issue
I think that the combination of portability/touchscreen opens up a few new tricks; an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHiEqf5wb3gNR=1feature=fvwp It seems to me that Apple has its own versions of technologies that accept a greater variety of user inputs, perhaps mitigating the need for Flash. As others have mentioned, we also see here a prime example of heavy hype in action...___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev and the iPad
Alan Kay didn't create the Scratch App for the App Store. John McIntosh, a software developer unaffiliated with MIT, made the Scratch app for iPhone. Read more here: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/apple-scratch-app/ Tom Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/apple-scratch-app/#ixzz0mrwT6qlm On May 3, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: On May 3, 2010, at 12:11 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: The best way to PREDICT the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay I wonder if Alan Kay predicted that Apple would remove his Scratch App from the App Store. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev and the iPad
On May 3, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Alan Kay didn't create the Scratch App for the App Store. John McIntosh, a software developer unaffiliated with MIT, made the Scratch app for iPhone. I wonder if Alan Kay predicted that an App based on his Squeak language would be removed from the App Store. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Is this true ? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJdjFoLD5vBSkguGO René___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
User Extensions/Externals
Having exhausted all conceivable testing scenarios (including suggestions from this list, available lessons and tutorials) to get rev to recognise Shao Sean's ssMacWindows external, I was forced to confront the Sherlock Holmesian alternative that the problem might lie with ssMacWindows. A long search finally found another external written for Mac OS X (EnhancedQT from bluemango) which worked under the first method I tried. Whether ssMacWindows has a problem with rev 4.0.0, or Mac OS X 10.6.3 I can't say, and I have not found a way to contact Shao Sean; there is no link on his web site. Can anyone help me with contact information, or who best to ask at Rev? Jacque, you said that externals were difficult, and that there is a (steep) learning curve for rev. That is proving true for me because I am using the latest version of rev, on the latest Mac OS X. I am finding that the documentation, examples and lessons are written for older OS's and older rev's. In fact I would not be surprised if was easier to learn rev on a G5 PPC running Tiger (or Leopard perhaps), and a previous release of rev. But putting that aside, I have long held the opinion that you can't know a program properly until you try to fix it when it goes wrong, so this has been an excellent learning experience, and the curve has flattened out a tad.___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Hello Kurt, Beautiful realisation ! René Le 3 mai 2010 à 14:14, Kurt Kaufman a écrit : I think that the combination of portability/touchscreen opens up a few new tricks; an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHiEqf5wb3gNR=1feature=fvwp It seems to me that Apple has its own versions of technologies that accept a greater variety of user inputs, perhaps mitigating the need for Flash. As others have mentioned, we also see here a prime example of heavy hype in action...___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rép : Apples actual response to the Flash iss ue
Is this true ? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJdjFoLD5vBSkguGO René___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
ANN: Clipboard Link CC File Converter updated
Hello, This weekend, Economy-x-Talk has updated two products that were made with RunRev: Clipboard Link and CC File Converter. Clipboard Link shares the clipboard of your computer with other computers on the network. The new version 1.2 now works fine on all platforms, including PowerMacs. More info at http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com CC File Converter converts picture files into several formats with different colour profiles. The new release contains several small fixes. Have a look at http://www.color-converter.com -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On 03/05/2010 16:32, René Micout wrote: Is this true ? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJdjFoLD5vBSkguGO René I said there would be a backlash; but I didn't think it would take this form. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Kurt Kaufman kkauf...@snet.net wrote: I think that the combination of portability/touchscreen opens up a few new tricks; an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHiEqf5wb3gNR=1feature=fvwp It seems to me that Apple has its own versions of technologies that accept a greater variety of user inputs, perhaps mitigating the need for Flash. As others have mentioned, we also see here a prime example of heavy hype in action...___ That's quite amazing! Thanks for sharing it with us. Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
René Micout wrote: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJdjFoLD5vBSkguGO From tech blogger Hank Williams, on April 9: Trying to control where something is originally done is attempting to control the thought process that yields a given result. Because if you thought of it in Java, and wrote it in java, and then, whether by hand or by tool, converted it to C, you are now outside the bounds of 3.3.1. Some may say my interpretation is too pedantic. But the point is that in order for Apple to limit people in the way that they want to, i.e. to prevent the use of a given tool, they are inflicting collateral damage. I do not think there is a way to achieve their goal without such ridiculous restrictions. I have not done my legal homework here, but this seems to be a clear example of restraint of trade, a basic tenet of contract law. Kinda ironic that Apple launched the Mac with a 1984-themed ad, and now are willing to pursue criminal penalties for anyone who commits coder thoughtcrime. Doubleplus ungood. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition
what is happening on my list :-( I stay away for a couple of days and all things break loose... tesc tesc tesc... Now, I've just devised the perfect solution for this! Now, Revolution powered list monitor software will scan every email and assign a Revolution Content Rate factor to it, if it has a high RCR number, it will simply go thru, if its RCR is too low, then you will be driven to the Quality Center and the system will request that you solve an engine bug. If/When you solve it, then, your mail will go thru. The bugs will be assigned using a simple algorithm where the severity or age of the bug is inversely proportional to the RCR value of the email. So that if you rate quite low on RCR you will be given the most old powerful engine bugs to solve. I hope you all understand that this is for the good of the community and we'll benefit from it, if the low RCR rate continues like what I've been seeing here, I grok that we'll solve all the engine bugs plus port the engine to Haiku, Solaris (again), FreeBSD (again), Android (Android is the new black) in about a week. If some user reaches ZERO KRCR, which stands for 0 Kelvin Revolution Content Rate which is really absolute zero RCR, he will be given flight tickets to Switzerland and a big dossie on the LHC and the task to prevent it from destroying the world. If he ever solves all CERN bugs, we'll ship our hero to SETI and then after that small taks, he'll go to Redmond to solve Windows and throw chairs at Ballmer. PS: This message has an RCR of 2, so I've been given a Bug to solve, but since QA center is down, I am yet to know which one. On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Ian Wood revl...@azurevision.co.uk wrote: On 3 May 2010, at 06:47, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Why don't you ask the guys at adobe if their content is really aware. So your only response to someone taking the time to go through your email in a serious manner and discuss the topics included is to take a pot-shot and not respond to any of the points? Yep, put me down as another person who's putting your email address into the spam filter as a troll. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev and the iPad
Ha ha, Thanks for that Colin, I hope pointing out the author of Scratch didn't come off as rude. I want a Dynabook Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today? http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com DeMoted on the iTune App Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8 On May 3, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: On May 3, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Alan Kay didn't create the Scratch App for the App Store. John McIntosh, a software developer unaffiliated with MIT, made the Scratch app for iPhone. I wonder if Alan Kay predicted that an App based on his Squeak language would be removed from the App Store. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue)
Is this true ? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJ djFoLD5vBSkguGO I hope you all don't mind my splitting this topic away from the others. If this is true, it may actually bring about some desirable changes. While a few squeaking developers may not have any impact on the state of Revolution-on-iPhone/iPad, this sort of thing can have shareholder value consequences. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Re trouble with Tab Panels
Steve King wrote: Hi Mark That sort of fixed it - should have guessed from background saying put after card in message path Realised I had two problems though, one not passing and secondly the tab panel seems to have a different group ID on one card. So now it works on two cards (having same Tab panel ID) and not quite right on the third, with a different ID. I suspect I put this one in maually on card 1 before I designated as background on card 2 and created card 3 from that. I suspect If I delete the offending cards and regenerate new cards all will be well now. You don't really need to generate new cards. Just choose one card's group as the one you want to share. Delete the duplicate group on each of the other cards. Then choose place group from the Object menu, and the shared one will appear on the card. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Card cut off at bottom because of menu
Jacqueline, Yes, I see what you mean. Charles Szasz csz...@mac.com On May 2, 2010, at 8:49 PM, J. Landman Gay [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: charles61 wrote: Jacqueline, I tried your OS X menu script in my stack: on preOpenStack set the loc of this stack to the screenloc set the backgroundcolor of this stack to 255,255,255 if the platform = MacOS then ---This sets the menu for Mac without using the Menu Builder to set Mac menu!! set the menubar of this stack to menugroupname set the defaultmenubar to menugroupname end if end preOpenStack I saved it then I closed Rev and my stack. Then I relaunch my stack and got the following error in the IDE: executing at 6:01:29 PM TypedefaultMenuBar: can't find group Object S504 Lineset the defaultmenubar to menugroupname Hintmenugroupname You need to put the real name of your menu group in there. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [hidden email] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [hidden email] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Card-cut-off-at-bottom-because-of-menu-tp2075550p2123410.html To unsubscribe from Re: Card cut off at bottom because of menu, click here. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Card-cut-off-at-bottom-because-of-menu-tp2075550p2124096.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue)
Yes - I hope it ramps things up. On 3 May 2010 15:34, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: Is this true ? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJ djFoLD5vBSkguGO I hope you all don't mind my splitting this topic away from the others. If this is true, it may actually bring about some desirable changes. While a few squeaking developers may not have any impact on the state of Revolution-on-iPhone/iPad, this sort of thing can have shareholder value consequences. I think Steve Jobs underestimated developer reaction in the age of the internet and open source - he can't get away with the same sort of things quite as easily as companies could last century. I also doubt he will take very well to the sudden realization that he has turned from underdog fighting the cause of good design, to a one-man-band lock-in merchant in the eyes of quite so many young developers. RunRev needs all of this + the anti-trust threat to make sure revMobile on the iPhone does not fall out of this as collateral damage - the more pressure the more reason Apple will have to negotiate exceptions. Especially in Runrev can offer some technological features that are specific to the iPhone that CS5 does not offer? Google must be loving this. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
I actually believe Apple HOPED the iPad and their overall initiative to reinvent computing would be a huge success. But I think they had concerns regarding how quickly it would sell beyond the Apple faithful...especially the reinvent computing part. Apple initially under-built the iPad in terms of units produced. That's why I say that. But this list is about Revolution. This post is about the Apple mobile platform lock-down as it affects Rev developers. If were Apple, I would have difficulty viewing Revolution as a good partner with whom to reinvent computing. Rev for the Mac does not take advantage of Cocoa and DOES seek to common-denominate. Rev may have plans to change all that with a new IDE, etc, but the field object is still incapable of independently aligned, chunk-addressable columns in spite of user demand and outrage for years. So color me skeptical and Apple even more so as regards Rev keeping up with the times. On the other hand, Revolution may regard Apple as a bad business partner for changing the rules after Rev created a splendid revMobile for the iPhone/iPad. Rev may have had it with Apple. I can understand that. So...is the Apple lock-down just? For justice we must go to Don Corleone, and he does not exist. So time to forget that and the karma you think Apple deserves for being evil. Is the lock-down for Apple mobile devices for real? Yes. Will the lock-down spread to OS X? Nominally, no. In reality, YES. The MacBook Touch (or whatever it's called) will run a locked-down variant of iPad OS. It just won't have the OS X moniker. Will Revolution have to embrace the Apple approach in order to follow it? Yes. Moments like this one present huge opportunity for a small, nimble, and creative company. There's a new wind blowing and Rev has the sails (engineering) to catch it. The sails just need re-rigging. The wind (market momentum) is there. Will they re-rig? Of this i can be certain: I will be sailing in those new waters with those new winds beneath my sails (and sales). I love developing and inventing tools. I love making money while I do it. I will be doing both with or without Revolution as we know it today. Is the emerging Apple mobile market worth the re-tooling I will need to do? I believe so. It has tremendous momentum. For a small company, latching onto a small growing market is the way to go. Also, I have to consider my own experience as an iPad user. Using an iPad makes using my MacBook Pro feel almost anachronistic. I reach for the screen, wait for words to spell themselves, but my Mac just sits there. Using Windows OS at this point seems, I hate to say it...clunky. I would never have said this before, and I say this to foreshadow, not to derogate. What new development tools will I be creating for myself and others in the coming weeks and months to exploit the Apple mobile platform momentum? I have been testing several concepts, and based on the proofs, have my sights set on some pretty exciting stuff. New approaches that will still seem familiar. I cannot say a whole lot more than that, right now. But I can say this: If you want to get involved in single language development for Mac, iPhone, iPad and whatever comes next, now would be a good time to get tRev, a Mac and an iPad if you don't already have them. tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude. More on this in the coming week. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 3, 2010, at 3:34 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of confidence. I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I listened to everyone on this List and
Re: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue)
Remembering the dark days in the 90s when I had to defend my use of the Mac platform at work every day, seeing this comment on a CNN story today made me smile.. If you are going to use Apple news to report tech, where is the PC news? I have never seen any. When you do cover it to seem unbiased, who will you choose, Sony Viao, Dell, HP, Toshiba? So many to choose from. On 3 May 2010 08:21, David Bovill david.bov...@gmail.com wrote: Yes - I hope it ramps things up. On 3 May 2010 15:34, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: Is this true ? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJ djFoLD5vBSkguGO I hope you all don't mind my splitting this topic away from the others. If this is true, it may actually bring about some desirable changes. While a few squeaking developers may not have any impact on the state of Revolution-on-iPhone/iPad, this sort of thing can have shareholder value consequences. I think Steve Jobs underestimated developer reaction in the age of the internet and open source - he can't get away with the same sort of things quite as easily as companies could last century. I also doubt he will take very well to the sudden realization that he has turned from underdog fighting the cause of good design, to a one-man-band lock-in merchant in the eyes of quite so many young developers. RunRev needs all of this + the anti-trust threat to make sure revMobile on the iPhone does not fall out of this as collateral damage - the more pressure the more reason Apple will have to negotiate exceptions. Especially in Runrev can offer some technological features that are specific to the iPhone that CS5 does not offer? Google must be loving this. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard Back home in SF ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost)
On May 3, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: I am reposting this as it seems to have got lost amongst the recent cruft. It actually concerns an aspect of RunRev programming! You should know better; this is the Rant and Rave About All Things Peripherally Related to Rev list. What you want is the How to Use Revolution list. ;-/ - Yesterday I wrote: - Recently I had a slightly worrying post from a chap attempting to use my Devawriter on a computer running Windows Vista. The problem is that when Devawriter calls a Unicode character that is not meant to move the cursor/insert place forward, merely print something either above or beneath the preceding character it does not; while printing the character it also moves the insert forward so that everything comes out incorrectly. I tried to duplicate this problem on Mac and Windows XP (not having access to Vista) and was unable to. Luckily this chap managed to get hold of a machine running XP and has had no further problems. I would be extremely grateful if anybody has any ideas and/or advice regarding this problem, as it is a real problem. Obviously Vista does not play ball with Unicode fonts in RunRev in quite the same way that Mac and XP do. Odd that you just ran into this with Win 7. Because I just noticed exactly the same problem in Snow Leopard. I have a stack that lists Russian vocabulary words, which has an option of showing the stressed syllables using one of these overstrike Unicode characters. Specifically, I use an acute accent from the unicode 03 section (Diacriticals, Greek, Coptic), character 0x301, or decimal 769. It has the effect of placing the accent over the previous character. But suddenly, in Snow Leopard, what has worked perfectly in Leopard and earlier and Win XP now places the accent over the *following* character, which sounds just like what your Win 7 user is experiencing. So far this is just another data point that may help you figure out what's going on. I haven't come up with a solution yet. I do have a hunch, though. I wonder if both SnoLeo and Win 7 have fixed something in their unicode engines which slightly breaks Rev's unicode implementation. I'll let you know if I figure anything out. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: No-asci chars from the on-rev CGI
I am still fighting with the NO-ASCI chars. Even if I encodeBase64 the data, if I connect to the CGI from a web-plugin using Windows platform , I get stange chars. From exactly the same CGI, and using the same revlet, from MAC i get the correct chars with accent (i.e. è à ù ) and from windows i get some strange chars (i.e. ^ати) . Any clue for a solution? On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: paolo mazza wrote: I am facing a problem sending NO-ASCI chars with the rev CGI ( i. e. put щати ) to a Rev application. When I receive a string containing chars with accent (i.e. щати) from the Revolution CGI , I get strange chars. Example: put щати I receive: ^:' How can I fix this? Try running the data through base64Encode when sending, and base64Decode on the receiving end. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost)
On 03/05/2010 18:52, Devin Asay wrote: On May 3, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: I am reposting this as it seems to have got lost amongst the recent cruft. It actually concerns an aspect of RunRev programming! You should know better; this is the Rant and Rave About All Things Peripherally Related to Rev list. What you want is the How to Use Revolution list. ;-/ - Yesterday I wrote: - Recently I had a slightly worrying post from a chap attempting to use my Devawriter on a computer running Windows Vista. The problem is that when Devawriter calls a Unicode character that is not meant to move the cursor/insert place forward, merely print something either above or beneath the preceding character it does not; while printing the character it also moves the insert forward so that everything comes out incorrectly. I tried to duplicate this problem on Mac and Windows XP (not having access to Vista) and was unable to. Luckily this chap managed to get hold of a machine running XP and has had no further problems. I would be extremely grateful if anybody has any ideas and/or advice regarding this problem, as it is a real problem. Obviously Vista does not play ball with Unicode fonts in RunRev in quite the same way that Mac and XP do. Odd that you just ran into this with Win 7. Because I just noticed exactly the same problem in Snow Leopard. I have a stack that lists Russian vocabulary words, which has an option of showing the stressed syllables using one of these overstrike Unicode characters. Specifically, I use an acute accent from the unicode 03 section (Diacriticals, Greek, Coptic), character 0x301, or decimal 769. It has the effect of placing the accent over the previous character. But suddenly, in Snow Leopard, what has worked perfectly in Leopard and earlier and Win XP now places the accent over the *following* character, which sounds just like what your Win 7 user is experiencing. So far this is just another data point that may help you figure out what's going on. I haven't come up with a solution yet. I do have a hunch, though. I wonder if both SnoLeo and Win 7 have fixed something in their unicode engines which slightly breaks Rev's unicode implementation. I'll let you know if I figure anything out. Regards, Devin Thank you very much. The problem was spotted with Vista; I have had no feedback from a Win 7 user. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: No-asci chars from the on-rev CGI
Probably time to start using Unicode: set the useUnicode to true put uniencode(щати) into RUS set the unicodeText of fld PLACEWHERE to RUS or encode each of those Cyrillic letters via their Unicode call numbers: set the unicodeText of fld PLACEWHERE to (numToChar(X) numToChar(Z) and so on where 'X' and 'Z' are the DECIMAL Unicode call numbers of your characters. On 03/05/2010 18:54, paolo mazza wrote: I am still fighting with the NO-ASCI chars. Even if I encodeBase64 the data, if I connect to the CGI from a web-plugin using Windows platform , I get stange chars. From exactly the same CGI, and using the same revlet, from MAC i get the correct chars with accent (i.e. è à ù ) and from windows i get some strange chars (i.e. ^ати) . Any clue for a solution? On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: paolo mazza wrote: I am facing a problem sending NO-ASCI chars with the rev CGI ( i. e. put щати ) to a Rev application. When I receive a string containing chars with accent (i.e. щати) from the Revolution CGI , I get strange chars. Example: put щати I receive: ^:' How can I fix this? Try running the data through base64Encode when sending, and base64Decode on the receiving end. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: No-asci chars from the on-rev CGI
paolo mazza wrote: I am still fighting with the NO-ASCI chars. Even if I encodeBase64 the data, if I connect to the CGI from a web-plugin using Windows platform , I get stange chars. From exactly the same CGI, and using the same revlet, from MAC i get the correct chars with accent (i.e. è à ù ) and from windows i get some strange chars (i.e. ^ати) . Any clue for a solution? I'm not sure if it will help, but it sounds like you are affected by the different character sets that Windows and Mac use. Accented characters are at different locations in the font tables on each OS. You could try using macToISO() or isoToMac() to convert the characters before sending to the CGI. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition
Andre Garzia wrote: PS: This message has an RCR of 2, so I've been given a Bug to solve, but since QA center is down, I am yet to know which one. It's back up again, so get to work. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip
Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: still struggeling with keeping the locked flag of a file when zipping and unzipping. Have you tried the rev zip external? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Wow. You have a knack for pre-shaping a question to extract the exact result you are seeking, and then way way way over reading the complete lack of participation in your stacked survey to mean that the list agrees with your pre-spun conclusion. Your survey was set up as a trap and everyone who read it knew it, thus your zero response participation. Too bad the soviet union doesn't exist any more, they could use a pollster like you. Even had you asked the dangerous question, Can god make mistakes? I think you would have had some data submitted. The frustration most of us are feeling in our guts has only been inflamed by this latest apple announcement. The frustration is the obvious and steady slipping away from general purpose computing as it is replaced by a media consumption and gaming platform in the form of a slick appliance. For all of its touchy input fluidity, we know it isn't designed for creativity of engineering. Nobody is using an ipad or iphone to develop ipad or iphone apps or operating systems. I worry, as I am sure others do, that apple's market supported emphasis on consumption centered devices means a general drifting away from the go it your own freedom and power a good general purpose computer allows. No one could have designed the ipad on an ipad. Would never have happened. The trend seems to point to a future for apple that looks more like General Electric. A place to buy pre-built stuff more than a place to buy tools with which to invent the future. Am I missing something, will tools be written for multi-touch environments such that we all willingly and happily walk away from our keyboards and pixel perfect pointing devices? Or is the growing dread a worthy indicator that something big is shifting and that it will be harder and harder to find open ended creativity machinery? I think of the user-programmer revolution that smalltalk and hypercard made possible and how much more powerful the macintosh felt as a result. And despite the gold rush motivations we might feel when we read of a kid in iowa who made a million dollars in a month selling a little app, we wonder if apple is making so much money on this consumption machine model that they will completely abandon those of us who think computing is about creativity and open ended creativity at that. I want to see teens on the train building stuff not slaying fake dragons or scheming an encounter with a facebook friend's facebook friend. I want that the open-ended creative option available to every teen, not just the hyper smart hyper nerdy. Is it slipping away? As for jobs. He is great at finding the greed in consumers. But unchecked, that greed seeking is only made more insidious by the amazingly designed products they release to us. Is the ipad so slick to use that we forget our need to create? Are those of us on the development end so motivated by many that we forget our obligation to the future of society? Microsoft released a video demo of a hinged two screened touch slate. For all of its clumsy interface (they are trying) it excites me none the less simply because I can imagine actually getting something done on the thing, building stuff. Not FOR it, but ON it... -Original Message- From: Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:34 AM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of confidence. I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and whistles it's critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. [The entire original message is not included] ___
Re: Printing in Windows
Steve King wrote: Hi Jacqueline Yes, the Printer libraries are included in the standalone build, I've let Rev sort out libraries itself and also tried manually including. This has no effect though Didn't really think it would, since your script doesn't use the rev- printing commands. You could probably omit that library without any consequences. Code is : on mouseUp --answer printer (just me experimenting) --answer page setup (Just me experimenting) get the PrintPaperOrientation Put it into Old_Orientation Set the PrintPaperOrientation to Landscape set the printmargins to 72,30,72,30 Set the PrintScale to 0.75 Set the LockScreen to True set the visible of group TAB to false Set the visible of button Print to false Print this card set the visible of group TAB to True Set the visible of button Print to True Set the LockScreen to False set the visible of fld Printing to True -- This is just a dummy to the user while I wait 2 seconds wait for 2 seconds set the visible of fld Printing to False Set the PrintPaperOrientation to Old_Orientation end mouseUp This looks fine to me, but the docs do mention that the orientation won't change until open printing is called. Theoretically the print card command should do that behind the scenes, which makes me wonder why it works in the IDE but not in your standalone. But on the off chance that's what's wrong, try substituting your print this card line with this: open printing print this card close printing That may give the engine the wake-up it needs. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost)
On May 3, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Thank you very much. The problem was spotted with Vista; I have had no feedback from a Win 7 user. Sorry. My mistake. Of course I knew you said Vista, but we're on the brink of a pending changeover to Win 7 in our Windows labs and I'm afraid I have 7 on the brain. :-p But that doesn't change the issue, does it? There may have been some change in the way both the Mac and Windows OS handle Unicode, which has rippled back into Rev's engine. Do you know if any other of your Devawriter users are on SnoLeo, Vista or Win 7. If so, are they seeing the same issues? Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User Extensions/Externals
Graham Heather Harrison wrote: Whether ssMacWindows has a problem with rev 4.0.0, or Mac OS X 10.6.3 I can't say, and I have not found a way to contact Shao Sean; there is no link on his web site. Can anyone help me with contact information, or who best to ask at Rev? She reads this list so you've probably done the right thing by asking here. Jacque, you said that externals were difficult, and that there is a (steep) learning curve for rev. Well, I said I it wasn't *that* hard, but not something I'd jump into right off while still learning Rev basics. That is proving true for me because I am using the latest version of rev, on the latest Mac OS X. I am finding that the documentation, examples and lessons are written for older OS's and older rev's. In fact I would not be surprised if was easier to learn rev on a G5 PPC running Tiger (or Leopard perhaps), and a previous release of rev. I don't think so. As far as I know, nothing's changed in the way externals work in years. There have been some new ways of forcing them to load (new as of a few years ago,) but the underlying principle of it is the same as always: externals only load when a stack is first opened, and the path to the external must be correct. Now how you manage that can be done several ways, from simple to complex, but they all do the same thing in the end. But putting that aside, I have long held the opinion that you can't know a program properly until you try to fix it when it goes wrong, so this has been an excellent learning experience, and the curve has flattened out a tad. That's good. To me, it seems a little backwards, like learning addition by figuring out multiplication, but I guess everyone has their own method. I'd have done it the other direction. To use externals it's good to have some basic info under your belt about Rev's messaging order, default directories, destroystack behavior, how unopened stacks are held in memory (or not), relative and absolute file paths, and so forth. I haven't used the ssMacWindows external yet but I'll try it just to see what you've been up against. I am fairly certain it can't be much different than any of the others, since there's really only one way to load an external in spite of the several methods you can take to get there. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
if message is XYZ then do next step (not working)?
Hi, I receive a message through String that XYZ reached at goal. When I try this But this command not work where as the second command work 1.if pResult is XYZ reached at goal then click at the loc of btn StartGoal end if This command works. 2. if pResult is empty then click at the loc of btn StartGame end if pResut in which I use for displaying the string. Regards, SHANI ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: problems with Tabbed Panels
HI Jacqueline Unfortunately, I had already done it by creating a blank new card from one of the 'good' ones and then copying the objects over. Works fine now. However, this is really good to know - much easier than the way I did it :-) Thanks for the help Cheers Steve Steve King wrote: ... I suspect If I delete the offending cards and regenerate new cards all will be well now. You don't really need to generate new cards. Just choose one card's group as the one you want to share. Delete the duplicate group on each of the other cards. Then choose place group from the Object menu, and the shared one will appear on the card. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issueing
Jerry's middle name might be Thor as it seems he has found out how to make The Hammer. Meaning, you beat 'em by joining 'em. Uh, that is, stacking up an overwhelming CheckMate. Best, William ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Problems with Windows Print orientation
Hi Jacqueline Good idea, but this didn't seem to work either. I did also try deleting the last reset of the orientation (in the past I have had problems with Rev racing on before Windows had caught up...) but no different, so it's not that. Temprorarily I have adjusted scaling to fit on a portrait. Will have to think on it a bit more Thanks steve Steve King wrote: Hi Jacqueline Yes, the Printer libraries are included in the standalone build, I've let Rev sort out libraries itself and also tried manually including. This has no effect though Didn't really think it would, since your script doesn't use the rev- printing commands. You could probably omit that library without any consequences. Code is : on mouseUp --answer printer (just me experimenting) --answer page setup (Just me experimenting) get the PrintPaperOrientation Put it into Old_Orientation Set the PrintPaperOrientation to Landscape set the printmargins to 72,30,72,30 Set the PrintScale to 0.75 Set the LockScreen to True set the visible of group TAB to false Set the visible of button Print to false Print this card set the visible of group TAB to True Set the visible of button Print to True Set the LockScreen to False set the visible of fld Printing to True -- This is just a dummy to the user while I wait 2 seconds wait for 2 seconds set the visible of fld Printing to False Set the PrintPaperOrientation to Old_Orientation end mouseUp This looks fine to me, but the docs do mention that the orientation won't change until open printing is called. Theoretically the print card command should do that behind the scenes, which makes me wonder why it works in the IDE but not in your standalone. But on the off chance that's what's wrong, try substituting your print this card line with this: open printing print this card close printing That may give the engine the wake-up it needs. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: if message is XYZ then do next step (not working)?
Your handler works for me. If you step through the script, where does it not go wrong? Sometimes in debugging I will rewrite even simple if/then statements in their expanded form: if this then dotThat end if Instead of: if this then doThat. Because you can place a breakpoint at the doThat line to see if the condition is being tested correctly. If you never reach that line, you can find the problem more quickly. I think it is something simple, like a typo. Craig Newman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost)
On 03/05/2010 19:51, Devin Asay wrote: On May 3, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Thank you very much. The problem was spotted with Vista; I have had no feedback from a Win 7 user. Sorry. My mistake. Of course I knew you said Vista, but we're on the brink of a pending changeover to Win 7 in our Windows labs and I'm afraid I have 7 on the brain. :-p But that doesn't change the issue, does it? There may have been some change in the way both the Mac and Windows OS handle Unicode, which has rippled back into Rev's engine. Do you know if any other of your Devawriter users are on SnoLeo, Vista or Win 7. If so, are they seeing the same issues? Devin I do know that various versions of Devawriter have been downloaded at least 7000 times; how many of those are repeats I have no way of knowing; but considering at one time I was popping out upgrades every 2 days probably quite a few. I am absolutely sure the vast majority of those downloads were by people who were curious to see a 'funny' Indian writing system rather than having an interest in Sanskrit as such (let's face it, it is not everybody's cup of tea). Feedback has been thin; a few nice notes from Profs of Sanskrit who, while being experts at Sanskrit are probably not well-versed in computers. The chap using Vista is the first corresponding critic I have had, and he has proven most informative and helpful (especially as he is encoding a fairly large collection of his grandfather's Sanskrit poems, so knows what he is doing with the language as well as feeling reasonably comfortable with a PC). Initially there was some odd feedback on versiontracker: I tried converting the Font from PC to Mac TTF but does not work for me! OS: Snow Leopard 10.6.2 Yes, I had the same issue. I downloaded the font and Devawriter would not recognize it. I assume it's because of Snow Leopards new font requirements. So, I converted the font from windows ttf to mac ttf and now it works. they are both from Snow Leopard users; whether they got as far as the Vista chap I don't know: I offered off-line correspondence to these 2 and have had nothing back. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
While, there is certainly nothing wrong with deifying Stevie for yourself, please don't expect us to follow your self serving logic. Fact is, Steve's already got himself in some hot water over his recent draconian practices: (scroll to 1:20 and watch from there.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Jsa7su-jIfeature=youtube_gdata On Monday, May 3, 2010, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of confidence. I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and whistles it's critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. But in Steve's hands I know it will be a success. I've been blown away by what some people have dreamt up for the thing. After seeing this: Alice In Wonderland - iPad eBook http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFmtQWrYNg If I had grandchildren, I'd buy one for them, not question. My wife will undoubtedly buy one, regardless of my 'what for???' protests. And if I somehow manage to get out of paying for it, she'll persuade her work to buy a couple. Some think that the Flash decision is wrong, but really all they are reflecting is the fact that they themselves couldn't make it work because of all their own sediment. Whether it's right or wrong isn't anywhere near as important as whether Steve can continue to make money without Flash, and I, and I'm sure most on this List, deep down, believe he can. Steve knows the market, knows how to spin things, knows where he's headed, knows the steps to get there, knows what life is like with Flash, and has a good handle on what life will be like without Flash, and it is he who has chosen the time to pull the plug. The Future will shortly be History repeating itself. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: User Extensions/Externals
From: J. Landman Gay I don't think so. As far as I know, nothing's changed in the way externals work in years. There have been some new ways of forcing them to load (new as of a few years ago,) but the underlying principle of it is the same as always: externals only load when a stack is first opened, and the path to the external must be correct. Now how you manage that can be done several ways, from simple to complex, but they all do the same thing in the end. I noticed a change when I moved to 3.5. Formerly, before building the standalones, I had to remove the dummy stack that contained the external from memory, or it wouldn't work when I started the standalone. Now I don't have to do that any more. I don't understand what's going on under the hood, but that made building standalones easier. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
JerryD wrote: tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude. What a tease! Looking forward to it. Jim Lambert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User Extensions/Externals
Graham Heather Harrison wrote: Having exhausted all conceivable testing scenarios (including suggestions from this list, available lessons and tutorials) to get rev to recognise Shao Sean's ssMacWindows external, I was forced to confront the Sherlock Holmesian alternative that the problem might lie with ssMacWindows. Curiosity got the better of me and I tried it. It works fine for me, right out of the gate. In fact, it's very, very cool and I'm sorry I waited so long to look. Try this for now. This method will allow your test stack to use the external without having to go through all the hassle of installing it into the IDE. This method will not allow you to use the external in any other stack. It's just a way for you to see how externals load, which is really very simple: you provide a path to the external, which is stored in the externals property of the stack. When the stack next loads into RAM, the engine automatically checks to see if any externals are assigned, and if so, will load them. All the other rigmarole you've read about is just variations on this. They allow you to assign an external to a stack in the Rev IDE (making it available to all stacks you open,) or provide a relative path (so you can move the external and the engine will still find it) or allow you to load the external on demand (by opening a temp stack when you want the external to load.) We won't mess with any of that. Start simple. Open your test stack and do this: 1. Click the Inspector icon on the tool bar to open the stack inspector. Go to the External References pane of the inspector. 2. Click the little folder icon above the File Path field. A file dialog opens. 3. Find the ssMacWindows external on your hard drive (it can be anywhere) and select it. The hard-coded path to your external will go into the File Path field in the inspector. The external will fail if you ever move it or build a standalone for distribution (you'll need a relative path for that) but for now work with it this way. This is really all you need to do to load an external into a single stack; just assign it a file path. Make a button in your test stack and copy this handler into its script: on mouseUp ssSetWindowModified the windowID of this stack, true end mouseUp Make sure you include the ss part of the ssSetWindowModified command. (In one of your previous posts it was omitted.) Save your stack. Choose Close and remove from memory from the File menu. Since externals only load when a stack is first opened in RAM, you need to make sure it is fully closed and removed before re-opening it. Re-open the test stack. The external should now be available for use. Click the buton. A black dot should appear in the window's close button. If it does, the external is available and working. It worked immediately for me when I did the above. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On May 3, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Jsa7su-jIfeature=youtube_gdata Here's the good quality version for US viewers: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-28-2010/appholes ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User Extensions/Externals
Paul D. DeRocco wrote: From: J. Landman Gay I don't think so. As far as I know, nothing's changed in the way externals work in years. There have been some new ways of forcing them to load (new as of a few years ago,) but the underlying principle of it is the same as always: externals only load when a stack is first opened, and the path to the external must be correct. Now how you manage that can be done several ways, from simple to complex, but they all do the same thing in the end. I noticed a change when I moved to 3.5. Formerly, before building the standalones, I had to remove the dummy stack that contained the external from memory, or it wouldn't work when I started the standalone. Now I don't have to do that any more. I don't understand what's going on under the hood, but that made building standalones easier. The dummy stack trick is just a clever work-around to allow you to load an external on demand. It isn't required. It sounds like what changed was the standalone builder rather than the way externals work, but I'm not sure either how that works under the hood. Sometimes I wish that dummy stack trick hadn't been announced. It's very handy when you need it for some reason in particular, but it causes a lot of confusion too. I never use it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost)
On May 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 03/05/2010 19:51, Devin Asay wrote: snip Do you know if any other of your Devawriter users are on SnoLeo, Vista or Win 7. If so, are they seeing the same issues? I do know that various versions of Devawriter have been downloaded at least 7000 times; how many of those are repeats I have no way of knowing; but considering at one time I was popping out upgrades every 2 days probably quite a few. I am absolutely sure the vast majority of those downloads were by people who were curious to see a 'funny' Indian writing system rather than having an interest in Sanskrit as such (let's face it, it is not everybody's cup of tea). Feedback has been thin; a few nice notes from Profs of Sanskrit who, while being experts at Sanskrit are probably not well-versed in computers. The chap using Vista is the first corresponding critic I have had, and he has proven most informative and helpful (especially as he is encoding a fairly large collection of his grandfather's Sanskrit poems, so knows what he is doing with the language as well as feeling reasonably comfortable with a PC). Initially there was some odd feedback on versiontracker: snip they are both from Snow Leopard users; whether they got as far as the Vista chap I don't know: I offered off-line correspondence to these 2 and have had nothing back. Interesting. I only recently switched to Snow Leopard. Out of curiosity I just downloaded Devawriter. (Beautifully done, by the way.) Unfortunately my knowledge of Sanskrit is nil, so I don't really know what I'm doing. However, I can report that Devawriter launched without a hitch. And I had no problem at all with the font; the Devanagari characters appear just as they are on the virtual keyboard. In addition, the vowel markings on the Vowels keyboard seem to insert themselves properly above or beneath the previous character. If you know exactly what problem your Vista user was, I'd like to try to duplicate it in SnoLeo. At the very least it might be possible to isolate it to Vista. Incidentally, what method are you using to type the unicode characters into the composition field? In my (much more static and rudimentary) Russian vocab tutor app, I resorted to using html unicode entities to switch accented characters off and on. Essentially I stored the original Cyrillic word lists as UTF8, with discrete acute accent chars as place markers for accented syllables. Something like this (hope the unicode comes through in email:) аспи´рант Then I would convert them to Unicode UTF 16 and store them in a field and grab the htmlText. After that I would do a straight replace of a #180; or a acute; with a #769;, a unicode char that's supposed to overtype the preceding character. My code to switch accents on and off looks like this: put the HTMLText of fld pFldName into htmlholder replace Lucida Grande with Geneva CY in htmlholder if the hilite of btn showstress of cd main then replace /fontacute; with #769;/font in htmlholder ## Could be conditionally deleted if want to turn accents off replace #180; with #769; in htmlholder else replace acute; with in htmlholder ## Could be conditionally deleted if want to turn accents off replace #180; with in htmlholder replace #769; with in htmlholder end if Clunky-looking, I know. But until Snow Leopard it has worked perfectly, overtyping the preceding Cyrillic char with the acute accent. In SnoLeo it instead places the accent over the following char. When I saw your post I wondered if both your and my issues have the same root cause. Anyway, hope this might jog something in your brain or mine that could lead to a fix. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: User Extensions/Externals
From: J. Landman Gay The dummy stack trick is just a clever work-around to allow you to load an external on demand. It isn't required. It sounds like what changed was the standalone builder rather than the way externals work, but I'm not sure either how that works under the hood. Sometimes I wish that dummy stack trick hadn't been announced. It's very handy when you need it for some reason in particular, but it causes a lot of confusion too. I never use it. The reason I've been using it is that I'm building externals for Windows and OS X, and the name of the external file (the extension, actually) is different. This means I need to run a bit of Rev code to build the correct pathname, using .dll under Windows and .bundle under OS X. You can't do that if you make the pathname a static property of the main stack. Another way to do it is to build one external, then edit the property, and build the other. But that makes the process of building the external, something that one may do over and over, very tedious. I posted a feature suggestion in the forum that you be allowed to leave the extension off, and have the run-time library automatically add the extension appropriate to the platform when it loads the extension, so that this would all be unnecessary. Alternatively, the action of saving the standalone could supply the correct extension. Or, the stack could be given separate properties for the externals for different OSes, so you could set all of them differently. If you have a better way to deal with this in the present version, I'm all ears. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Jerry, Guess there's not much I agree with you on this one. I suspect if you ask Richard Gaskin or other developers if their customers really care if their program is Carbon or Cocoa you'll just get a blank stare-- but I'm sure they all agree it works great for them. And Richard has an excellent article on why cross platform dev environments actually HELP Apple at: http://www.revjournal.com/blog.irv So, I would contend Apple shouldn't care what tools developers use to write for the Mac. But, if I'm wrong and you're right, then we all should start learning Xcode right now, because it's only a matter of time before Apple shuts itself off to any other development platform. No more the computer for the rest of us. And you say, So...is the Apple lock-down just? For justice we must go to Don Corleone, and he does not exist. So time to forget that and the karma you think Apple deserves for being evil. Wow, where to start? Certainly you aren't saying evil unabated by some regulation isn't evil? I hope not. Even so, there are strong rumors that Don Corleone does exist in the form of our own Justice department: http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2010/05/03/daily18.html On Monday, May 3, 2010, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: I actually believe Apple HOPED the iPad and their overall initiative to reinvent computing would be a huge success. But I think they had concerns regarding how quickly it would sell beyond the Apple faithful...especially the reinvent computing part. Apple initially under-built the iPad in terms of units produced. That's why I say that. But this list is about Revolution. This post is about the Apple mobile platform lock-down as it affects Rev developers. If were Apple, I would have difficulty viewing Revolution as a good partner with whom to reinvent computing. Rev for the Mac does not take advantage of Cocoa and DOES seek to common-denominate. Rev may have plans to change all that with a new IDE, etc, but the field object is still incapable of independently aligned, chunk-addressable columns in spite of user demand and outrage for years. So color me skeptical and Apple even more so as regards Rev keeping up with the times. On the other hand, Revolution may regard Apple as a bad business partner for changing the rules after Rev created a splendid revMobile for the iPhone/iPad. Rev may have had it with Apple. I can understand that. So...is the Apple lock-down just? For justice we must go to Don Corleone, and he does not exist. So time to forget that and the karma you think Apple deserves for being evil. Is the lock-down for Apple mobile devices for real? Yes. Will the lock-down spread to OS X? Nominally, no. In reality, YES. The MacBook Touch (or whatever it's called) will run a locked-down variant of iPad OS. It just won't have the OS X moniker. Will Revolution have to embrace the Apple approach in order to follow it? Yes. Moments like this one present huge opportunity for a small, nimble, and creative company. There's a new wind blowing and Rev has the sails (engineering) to catch it. The sails just need re-rigging. The wind (market momentum) is there. Will they re-rig? Of this i can be certain: I will be sailing in those new waters with those new winds beneath my sails (and sales). I love developing and inventing tools. I love making money while I do it. I will be doing both with or without Revolution as we know it today. Is the emerging Apple mobile market worth the re-tooling I will need to do? I believe so. It has tremendous momentum. For a small company, latching onto a small growing market is the way to go. Also, I have to consider my own experience as an iPad user. Using an iPad makes using my MacBook Pro feel almost anachronistic. I reach for the screen, wait for words to spell themselves, but my Mac just sits there. Using Windows OS at this point seems, I hate to say it...clunky. I would never have said this before, and I say this to foreshadow, not to derogate. What new development tools will I be creating for myself and others in the coming weeks and months to exploit the Apple mobile platform momentum? I have been testing several concepts, and based on the proofs, have my sights set on some pretty exciting stuff. New approaches that will still seem familiar. I cannot say a whole lot more than that, right now. But I can say this: If you want to get involved in single language development for Mac, iPhone, iPad and whatever comes next, now would be a good time to get tRev, a Mac and an iPad if you don't already have them. tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude. More on this in the coming week. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 3, 2010, at 3:34 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, been gone for a
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On 2 May 2010 21:24, Randall Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com wrote: Is this the topic? Really? All you can come up with? Nasty childish nitpicking? Yes emailing is dangerous while driving. I wrote that note at a gas station while filling my tank. I'd be careful replying to emails from a gas station in the middle of a flame-war ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
OK - I went out and bought a tRev license and wait expectantly. On 3 May 2010 16:28, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: But I can say this: If you want to get involved in single language development for Mac, iPhone, iPad and whatever comes next, now would be a good time to get tRev, a Mac and an iPad if you don't already have them. tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: if message is XYZ then do next step (not working)?
HI, thanks for your reply, I have tested But this work .if pResult is empty then click at the loc of btn StartGame end if where as this not work, I don't know why its command proper write error if pResult is XYZ reached at goal then click at the loc of btn StartGoal end if when I display the pResult answer pResult it display XYZ reached at goal Regards, SHani -Original Message- From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of dunb...@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:27 PM To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: if message is XYZ then do next step (not working)? Your handler works for me. If you step through the script, where does it not go wrong? Sometimes in debugging I will rewrite even simple if/then statements in their expanded form: if this then dotThat end if Instead of: if this then doThat. Because you can place a breakpoint at the doThat line to see if the condition is being tested correctly. If you never reach that line, you can find the problem more quickly. I think it is something simple, like a typo. Craig Newman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User Extensions/Externals
Le 3 mai 2010 à 19:56, J. Landman Gay a écrit : The dummy stack trick is just a clever work-around to allow you to load an external on demand. It isn't required. It sounds like what changed was the standalone builder rather than the way externals work, but I'm not sure either how that works under the hood. Sometimes I wish that dummy stack trick hadn't been announced. It's very handy when you need it for some reason in particular, but it causes a lot of confusion too. I never use it. It's a clever trick ( from Mark W. if I remember well ) when one is writing externals. This way one can set automatically to the dummy stack the path of the external builded in Xcode. Usually, for one external, we have few builds. the simplest case is one for debug and one for release. They are 2 differents files in your Xcode environment , and it's tricky to always be aware to upload the right one... But from the user's point of view, it's not that usefull, maybe a bit challenging. Concerning your recipie from the previous email, it works only in your context. Pass your stack and your external to someone, and you're stuck again ! That was why the lesson about how to safely attach your external... was made. ( useful only for those sharing stack + external associated with. ) From my little point of view, if the external property was relative to the path of the stack instead of the engine. it would be less troublesome My 2 french centimes Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition
LOL :-) Le 3 mai 2010 à 15:13, Andre Garzia a écrit : what is happening on my list :-( I stay away for a couple of days and all things break loose... tesc tesc tesc... Now, I've just devised the perfect solution for this! Now, Revolution powered list monitor software will scan every email and assign a Revolution Content Rate factor to it, if it has a high RCR number, it will simply go thru, if its RCR is too low, then you will be driven to the Quality Center and the system will request that you solve an engine bug. If/When you solve it, then, your mail will go thru. The bugs will be assigned using a simple algorithm where the severity or age of the bug is inversely proportional to the RCR value of the email. So that if you rate quite low on RCR you will be given the most old powerful engine bugs to solve. I hope you all understand that this is for the good of the community and we'll benefit from it, if the low RCR rate continues like what I've been seeing here, I grok that we'll solve all the engine bugs plus port the engine to Haiku, Solaris (again), FreeBSD (again), Android (Android is the new black) in about a week. If some user reaches ZERO KRCR, which stands for 0 Kelvin Revolution Content Rate which is really absolute zero RCR, he will be given flight tickets to Switzerland and a big dossie on the LHC and the task to prevent it from destroying the world. If he ever solves all CERN bugs, we'll ship our hero to SETI and then after that small taks, he'll go to Redmond to solve Windows and throw chairs at Ballmer. PS: This message has an RCR of 2, so I've been given a Bug to solve, but since QA center is down, I am yet to know which one. On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Ian Wood revl...@azurevision.co.uk wrote: On 3 May 2010, at 06:47, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Why don't you ask the guys at adobe if their content is really aware. So your only response to someone taking the time to go through your email in a serious manner and discuss the topics included is to take a pot-shot and not respond to any of the points? Yep, put me down as another person who's putting your email address into the spam filter as a troll. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks?
Hi All... I'm working on a little student utility that changes the text color and underlines the individual word in the target field as they hit the space bar. I'm wondering how I should handle passages of text that are surrounded by quotation marks? I was taking the text passage and stripping out the quotes to get the total number of words in the field. Then using that number and reducing it to target the specific words in the field to modify their text style. The quotation marks create a single word out of the phrase, and if I attempt to delete a quote and then add it back the total number of words in my variable is off. In any case, everything gets all wonky when there are quotes in the passage... Anyone done something similar? Thank you! John Patten ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks?
On May 3, 2010, at 1:22 PM, John Patten wrote: Hi All... I'm working on a little student utility that changes the text color and underlines the individual word in the target field as they hit the space bar. I'm wondering how I should handle passages of text that are surrounded by quotation marks? I was taking the text passage and stripping out the quotes to get the total number of words in the field. Then using that number and reducing it to target the specific words in the field to modify their text style. The quotation marks create a single word out of the phrase, and if I attempt to delete a quote and then add it back the total number of words in my variable is off. In any case, everything gets all wonky when there are quotes in the passage... John, You might try simply replacing the quotes with curled quotes, which Rev doesn't see as real quote marks. You'd have to account for cross-platform differences, however. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks?
Or, you could just check if the character is a quote and increment your counter justly. Seems to me the easiest way to do this. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 3, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu wrote: On May 3, 2010, at 1:22 PM, John Patten wrote: Hi All... I'm working on a little student utility that changes the text color and underlines the individual word in the target field as they hit the space bar. I'm wondering how I should handle passages of text that are surrounded by quotation marks? I was taking the text passage and stripping out the quotes to get the total number of words in the field. Then using that number and reducing it to target the specific words in the field to modify their text style. The quotation marks create a single word out of the phrase, and if I attempt to delete a quote and then add it back the total number of words in my variable is off. In any case, everything gets all wonky when there are quotes in the passage... John, You might try simply replacing the quotes with curled quotes, which Rev doesn't see as real quote marks. You'd have to account for cross-platform differences, however. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks?
I tried your approach and got bogged down, and finally cut the Gordian knot by avoiding the problem altogether. What I ended up doing was making sure that there are no true quotation marks in the text field -- use smart quotes instead. Open quote = numtochar(210) and close quote = numtochar(211). In my stack I use a rawkeydown handler to ensure that user-typed quotes are replaced with the appropriate smart quote. If the preceding character is in cr space tab or the char is the first char of the field then replace with numtochar(210) else replace with numtochar(211). (For imported text, process the text using the same rules before putting it into the field.) Then the word counts work properly and all you have to do is make sure that any colorization/formatting excludes an initial or trailing smart quote (looks better that way). The general problem here is that, contrary to all other computing contexts I know about, in Rev anything enclosed by true quotation marks is regarded by the engine as one word. This causes no end of problems for text manipulation (which I do a lot of). PITA. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On May 3, 2010, at 3:22 PM, John Patten wrote: Hi All... I'm working on a little student utility that changes the text color and underlines the individual word in the target field as they hit the space bar. I'm wondering how I should handle passages of text that are surrounded by quotation marks? I was taking the text passage and stripping out the quotes to get the total number of words in the field. Then using that number and reducing it to target the specific words in the field to modify their text style. The quotation marks create a single word out of the phrase, and if I attempt to delete a quote and then add it back the total number of words in my variable is off. In any case, everything gets all wonky when there are quotes in the passage... Anyone done something similar? Thank you! John Patten ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
But I can say this: If you want to get involved in single language development for Mac, iPhone, iPad and whatever comes next, now would be a good time to get tRev, a Mac and an iPad if you don't already have them. tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude. That's really nice for others, but what I want to get involved in is single language development for Linux, and maybe Windows too. Not Mac, not iPhone, not iPad. Now that is what the promise of Rev was, develop on Linux, and if you want, compile for Windows too, but I think it may face choices that mean it can't be both that, and single language development for Apple stuff along the lines you speak of, at the same time. We are coming to a fork in the road. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2124595.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Computers that process meaning won't work all day to make the world a better place any more or less than we (or anything else) do. But systems that know about the things they process have a substantial leg up on systems that don't. This isn't a complex concept. The execution of the design of such a system or its starting point is on the other hand very complex. If you are demanding that I show you how to build a moon rocket out of farm equipment before you will talk about going into space, then sorry buddy, you are simply and obviously only interested in avoiding the topic and or slandering my person. -Original Message- From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:11 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Maybe, but I suspect Randall has some ideas that I'd really like to hear about. For the life of me, I have a hard time deciphering what they are. But I'd like to hear about them, in simplest terms, without ambiguity. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Michael Kann wrote: As I read what Randall proposes, you won't sit down at a computer. The computer will have enough knowledge of the world to work full-time making the world a better place. Every so often it will sit down with a human to explain what it has discovered and what the human can do to help. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com wrote: From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 5:58 PM Randall, What do you want to see software do? Please be [The entire original message is not included] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevStore
It looks like a million bucks! On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael Kann mikek...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm just curious. What does that program that sold for two million dollars look like? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User Extensions/Externals
Thierry, Paul, Thierry said: Concerning your recipie from the previous email, it works only in your context. Pass your stack and your external to someone, and you're stuck again ! Yes, I warned about that and mentioned that a relative file path would be necessary for portability. My example was very simple, just to show that the external did work and to get Graham started in the simplest way. Both of you have brought up the issue of testing externals, and that's one of the times that you really do need the temp stack method. Loading on demand repeatedly is required for that. (You're right that Mark Waddingham made it popular in his newsletter articles, though someone else first thought of it I think; Ken Ray maybe? I've forgotten.) Paul said: I posted a feature suggestion in the forum that you be allowed to leave the extension off, and have the run-time library automatically add the extension appropriate to the platform when it loads the extension, so that this would all be unnecessary. Originally, way back in the MC days, you could place both file paths (either relative or absolute) into the externals property and the engine would load the appropriate one for the current OS. At some point that stopped working in later MC versions, but that's what I'd really like to see restored. I used to be able to set the stack externals to this: foo.dll foo.bundle And then I could forget about it. When the stack opened on Mac, the bundle loaded; on Windows, the dll. In fact, you could put a whole list of mixed-OS externals in there and the engine would pick out the right ones and ignore the rest. I haven't tested this in years, maybe it does work that way again. If not, I wish it would. Thierry said: From my little point of view, if the external property was relative to the path of the stack instead of the engine. it would be less troublesome Yes, that would be ideal. My method for dealing with externals is pretty simple really. Since I don't write them and I only need to use them, I can get away with this: For development work, I load the external into the IDE so it's available. In the mainstack, I add this short handler and forget about it: on startup if the platform = macos then set the externals of this stack to foo.bundle -- or any relative path else set the externals of this stack to foo.dll end if end startup Startup is the only time you can set the externals of a stack and have it work. The handler will never trigger during development because the IDE gets the startup message. But when running as a standalone, the mainstack will get a startup message and the externals get set correctly. Then I just need to remember to put the external files in the correct relative location in the standalone folder before shipping. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevStore
Jim, Your remark reminds me when we were kayaking north of Seattle and a woman in our group said I hope we see a ton of whales. Mike --- On Mon, 5/3/10, Jim Kanter j...@d-film.com wrote: From: Jim Kanter j...@d-film.com Subject: Re: RevStore To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 3:55 PM It looks like a million bucks! On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael Kann mikek...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm just curious. What does that program that sold for two million dollars look like? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks?
Peter Brigham MD wrote: The general problem here is that, contrary to all other computing contexts I know about, in Rev anything enclosed by true quotation marks is regarded by the engine as one word. It's for HC compatibility, which worked the same way. You can often get around it like this: set the itemdelimiter to space put the number of items in fld 1 If you have carriage returns or tabs in the text, you'll probably need to replace them with spaces in a temporary variable first. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks?
On May 3, 2010, at 5:29 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Peter Brigham MD wrote: The general problem here is that, contrary to all other computing contexts I know about, in Rev anything enclosed by true quotation marks is regarded by the engine as one word. It's for HC compatibility, which worked the same way Yeah, and it was a PITA in HC too. :-)I think it's time to change this, given the low number of people who still need to convert HC stacks into Rev format. It's a vestigial appendage (oh, no! not appendices again!) that no longer has any up side. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks?
Just a thought that might be a lot more helpful... Given the context of this application, and the fact that you probably don't want the quotes (and other punctuation) to be highlighted/underlined, I'd just use a regular expression like so (untested): function getNextWord pText, pFrom local tStart, tEnd if matchChunk(char pFrom to -1 of pText, ([-A-Za-z0-9_]+), tStart, tEnd) is false then return empty -- no more words end if add pFrom to tStart add pFrom to tEnd return tStart,tEnd end getNextWord And now you can use this function in succession for you spacebar routine... ## in the field... local sLastWord command highlightNextWord -- remove the underline from the last word if sLastWord is not empty then set the textStyle of char item 1 of sLastWord to item 2 of sLastWord of me to normal -- search for the next word from the last word's offset put getNextWord(me, item 2 of sLastWord + 1) into sLastWord else put getNextWord(me, 0) into sLastWord end if -- underline the next word if sLastWord is not empty then set the textStyle of char item 1 of sLastWord to item 2 of sLastWord of me to underline end if end highlightNextWord Jeff M. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
User Extensions/Externals
Jacque wrote: on mouseUp ssSetWindowModified the windowID of this stack, true end mouseUp Make sure you include the ss part of the ssSetWindowModified command. (In one of your previous posts it was omitted.) Well blow me down! If that doesn't bilge the barnacles. All this time I have been using code copied from the original revUp article, and not concentrating on the API. Changed my last test case and it worked immediately, just as EnhancedQT had. One of those times when, because there is a known difficulty, everyone assumes that it is the cause of the current problem. Well blow me down! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User Extensions/Externals
Graham Heather Harrison wrote: Well blow me down! If that doesn't bilge the barnacles. I've never heard that before! That's almost as good as linguistic psychedelics from the Thread That Shall Not Be Named. :) One of those times when, because there is a known difficulty, everyone assumes that it is the cause of the current problem. I'm guilty. I should have paid more attention to Occam's Razor. But look at the nice thread you started. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks?
Peter Brigham MD wrote: On May 3, 2010, at 5:29 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Peter Brigham MD wrote: The general problem here is that, contrary to all other computing contexts I know about, in Rev anything enclosed by true quotation marks is regarded by the engine as one word. It's for HC compatibility, which worked the same way Yeah, and it was a PITA in HC too. :-)I think it's time to change this, given the low number of people who still need to convert HC stacks into Rev format. It's a vestigial appendage (oh, no! not appendices again!) that no longer has any up side. I'm inclined to agree. Put it in the QCC for us? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: User Extensions/Externals
From: J. Landman Gay Startup is the only time you can set the externals of a stack and have it work. The handler will never trigger during development because the IDE gets the startup message. But when running as a standalone, the mainstack will get a startup message and the externals get set correctly. Then I just need to remember to put the external files in the correct relative location in the standalone folder before shipping. As someone who's just learned enough of Revolution to write one rather basic app, I'm having trouble understanding the documentation on the startup message. The docs mostly seem to be about U3 drives, which is irrelevant, but the example implies that in a non-U3 situation the mode parameter is empty. But then there's this: If the application is opened with multiple stacks, the startup message is sent to the first stack opened. Does this mean to imply that something different happens if there's only one stack? If not, does it get sent before preOpenStack? Do I understand your example to mean that it happens before the externals are loaded? Does preOpenStack happen after the externals are loaded? If so, then it looks like I could simplify my code, and just do everything in the startup handler. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks?
Hi: I'm inclined to disagree. I would vote to keep the current behavior. m On 5/3/10 3:40 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: I'm inclined to agree. Put it in the QCC for us? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User Extensions/Externals
Paul D. DeRocco wrote: From: J. Landman Gay Startup is the only time you can set the externals of a stack and have it work. The handler will never trigger during development because the IDE gets the startup message. But when running as a standalone, the mainstack will get a startup message and the externals get set correctly. Then I just need to remember to put the external files in the correct relative location in the standalone folder before shipping. As someone who's just learned enough of Revolution to write one rather basic app, I'm having trouble understanding the documentation on the startup message. The docs mostly seem to be about U3 drives, which is irrelevant, but the example implies that in a non-U3 situation the mode parameter is empty. The mode parameter only applies to U3 apps. It isn't needed or used any other time, and was only added later on when Rev began supporting U3 builds. But then there's this: If the application is opened with multiple stacks, the startup message is sent to the first stack opened. Does this mean to imply that something different happens if there's only one stack? No. The first stack, even if it is the only one, gets the startup message. Startup is only sent once, immediately on launch, before any other messages or actions occur. It's the first thing that happens, before any stacks load. If not, does it get sent before preOpenStack? Yes. Before everything. Do I understand your example to mean that it happens before the externals are loaded? Yup. Which is why it's the only time you can set externals, because no stacks are loaded yet. Startup is like ground zero. After that, the first stack loads (with its newly set externals) and by then it's too late to change its externals. Does preOpenStack happen after the externals are loaded? Yes. If so, then it looks like I could simplify my code, and just do everything in the startup handler. That's what I do. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks?
Michael wrote: Hi: I'm inclined to disagree. I would vote to keep the current behavior. m I could easily have overlooked some simple reason to retain it. How do you use it, generally? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
