Re: [ANN]BvG Docu 1.7

2010-10-20 Thread Björnke von Gierke
Sorry about all that. 

To start with, I uploaded the wrong file, which actually doesn't create any 
files at all.. oops

I fixed that, and i changed the test of revappversion() = 4.5.0 to char 1 to 
3 of the version = 4.5. I think that one should also work in metacard, as well 
as for those crazy people who use beta versions of the ide as main environment 
(shame on you). 

Please get the updated version from my site: http://bjoernke.com/?target=bvgdocu

note: claim of properly working in metacard untested

On 20 Oct 2010, at 03:28, Len Morgan wrote:

 I got the same error as Mark and I AM using the Rev IDE (4.5.1 dp-1).
 
 len morgan
 
 On 10/19/2010 3:16 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
 Björnke-
 
 Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 12:48:19 PM, you wrote:
 
 Damnit
 reacting to a install where there's no clumps file, that was
 exactly what I changed. Do you two per chance not use the rev ide?
 because I use if revappversion() = 4.5.0 thencreate fake clumps
 file here.
 You might want to tweak that a bit since I tried this with 4.5.1-dp1.
 
 
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Re: Stop Rolling Loop

2010-10-20 Thread wayne durden
Glad that helped Raz.  In practice the wait period can be much much smaller,
and in my experience even a zero value will allow most user interface
actions to be picked up.

Wayne

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Razvan Pantescu razv...@hotmail.comwrote:


 Hi Wayne,
 Thank you for your suggestions.
 I've done that using in loop this line:   wait 5 seconds with messages
 and next tested in loop if a global variable was set with 0 in Stop button.
 It works fine now,

 Thank you!
 Raz.



  Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:54:19 -0400
  From: wdur...@gmail.com
  To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
  Subject: Re: Stop Rolling Loop
 
  Hello Razvan Pantescu,
 
  This is where you need to use the wait 0 milliseconds with messages
 
  item which was recently discussed on the list.
 
  Put the wait with messages inside the loop and it will detect interface
  events like clicks on other buttons.  Then you will need a section to
 check
  some state the other button set also.  For instance, your other button
 could
  toggle a custom prop or a global variable that is being checked in the
  loop.  That should allow you a responsive interface and the ability to
 halt
  a process.
 
  It may be more preferable however to use the
 
  send in time
 
  form rather than a loop.
 
  If you do a search for runrev send in time  this should become clear.
 
  Wayne
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Razvan Pantescu razv...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
  
   Hi again,
  
   I've made a script that starts listing every 5 seconds some URLs
 onclick a
   Start button, but I want to stop listing in any moment pushing a Stop
   button.
   There is some break or exit function for that.
   I've noticed that any other buttons are disabled while looping.
  
   Thank you,
  
   Raz.
  
  
  
From: razv...@hotmail.com
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:24:21 +
Subject: RE: List Words from Textarea
   
   
Merci Beaucoup Pierre!!
   
It works fine,
   
Raz.
   
   
   
   
 From: psaho...@free.fr
 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:18:37 +0200
 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 CC:
 Subject: Re: List Words from Textarea

 Welcome to LiveCode Raz !

 on mouseup
 repeat for each word w in fld myfield
 put w  cr after mywordslist
 end repeat
 answer mywordslist
 end mouseup

 HTH,

 Best,

 Pierre


 Le 13 oct. 2010 à 21:06, Razvan Pantescu a écrit :

 
  I've started to study Livecode, don't know too much of it. I'm
 living
   about 250km north of Danube (Focsani, Romania)
 
  So any suggestions so I can read or list all the words from a
   Textarea?
 
 
  Thanks,
  Raz.
 
 
 
 
  Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:59:55 +0300
  From: richmondmathew...@gmail.com
  To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
  Subject: Re: List Words from Textarea
 
   On 10/13/2010 09:57 PM, Razvan Pantescu wrote:
  Hi,
 
  How can I list every word from a textarea?
 
  put any word of field - show any word, but exists some every
   word?
 
  Thank you,
  Raz.
 
 
 
  Wow; at least one other LiveCode / RunRev programmer in the
 Balkans;
  there's hope yet!
 
  How far north of the Danube do you live?
 
  sincerely, Richmond Mathewson (Plovdiv, Bulgaria).
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Re: determining if user has shell access

2010-10-20 Thread Monte Goulding

 I'm assuming that at this point you don't know if this is some policy setting 
 or simply the removal of some file.

It's a policy setting. Everything works fine if they run as an admin user. 

Aha! Google is my friend ;-)

By checking the registry key: 
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\System\DisableCMD=dword:1
 we can find out if cmd.exe is disabled for the current user. 

Apparently command.com is often available when cmd isn't but unfortunately if I 
set the shellCommand to command.com it returns nothing (in vista). If I use 
command.com on the command line it works fine so I'm assuming the problem is on 
the LiveCode side of things. It would be good if a few others tested this so we 
can report it if it's not just my system.

function safeShell pCommand
   -- assume the shellCommand has been set appropriately
   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
   set the itemDel to \
   if item -1 of the shellCommand is cmd.exe AND \ 
  
charToNum(queryRegistry(HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\System\DisableCMD))
 = 1 then
  -- don't use cmd.exe because shell() won't return
  -- don't revert to command.com because there seems to be a problem in the 
engine
  return executeProcess(pCommand)
   else
  try
 -- still check for empty if your are expecting a result
 -- because there's no execution error on os x
 return shell(pCommand)
  catch e
 -- execution error on windows shellCommand doesn't exist
 -- hopefully this catches hash rule blocks
 return Error executing command
  end try
   end if
end safeShell


function executeProcess pProcess,pElevate
   local tReturn
   if pElevate then
  open elevated process pProcess for text read
   else
  open process pProcess for text read
   end if
   repeat forever
  # Loop until there are no more lines to read.
  read from process pProcess for 1 line
  if the result =  or the result = timed out then
 -- something to add
 put it after tReturn
  else
 close process pProcess
 return tReturn
  end if
   end repeat
end executeProcess

Cheers

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Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread charles61

I am trying to devise a script to send a mouseUp to checkboxes on different
cards that are already checked. The following script works for checkboxes on
the first card but gives an execution error message on the second card
saying there is no such object. 

I checked the fields and script in this sample stack and cannot find
anything incorrect. So, I have to think there is a problem in my button
script below.

Here is my script:

on mouseUp
repeat with y = 1 to the number of cards
  repeat with b= 1 to the number of buttons of card y
 if the style of button b of card y = checkbox then
if the hilite of button b of card y = true then send mouseUp
to button b of card y
 end if
  end repeat
end repeat
end mouseUp
I would appreciate any suggestions!
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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread DunbarX
Hi.

It works. It is possible you left that line break in the second if 
statement?

Craig Newman
In a message dated 10/20/10 10:04:01 AM, csz...@mac.com writes:


 on mouseUp
 repeat with y = 1 to the number of cards
       repeat with b= 1 to the number of buttons of card y
          if the style of button b of card y = checkbox then
             if the hilite of button b of card y = true then send mouseUp
 to button b of card y
          end if
       end repeat
 end repeat
 end mouseUp
 
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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread charles61

Hi Craig!

I checked for line breaks but there is none. I think the one in my posting was 
due to cutting and pasting the code to Nabble.

My sample stack of two cards has four checkboxes on one card and four on the 
second. Each checkbox has code to show a field that when it is checked. To see 
if the checkboxes are receiving the mouseUp, I set all of the fields associated 
with the checkboxes to invisible. The checkboxes that are checked on the first 
card show the fields but the checkboxes on the second card do not and generates 
an error message in the IDE when I pressed the mouseUp button on the first 
card. If I click on the checkbox to uncheck, the error message appears for the 
next checkbox that is checked. If you have any other ideas, please feel free to 
suggest them!

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:12 AM, dunbarx [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

 Hi. 
 
 It works. It is possible you left that line break in the second if 
 statement? 
 
 Craig Newman 
 In a message dated 10/20/10 10:04:01 AM, [hidden email] writes: 
 
 
  on mouseUp 
  repeat with y = 1 to the number of cards 
repeat with b= 1 to the number of buttons of card y 
   if the style of button b of card y = checkbox then 
  if the hilite of button b of card y = true then send mouseUp 
  to button b of card y 
   end if 
end repeat 
  end repeat 
  end mouseUp 
 
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On-Rev File Browser Upload Dialog

2010-10-20 Thread Rick Harrison
I really don't want to re-invent the wheel today.

How can I get a simple file browser upload dialog
to upload a file using an irev script located at On-Rev.

I understand that I'll probably be using 
libURLftpUploadFile for this.

If this were just a stack I'd be using:

answer file Please choose the file to upload

to generate the dialog.  As I understand it, 'answer'
just doesn't work for irev scripts.

This seems like such a basic need, that I can't
imagine that no one has done this before.

If you have any example code, that would be excellent.

Thanks in advance!

Rick
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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread Robert Brenstein

On 20.10.10 at 07:49 -0700 charles61 apparently wrote:

Hi Craig!

I checked for line breaks but there is none. I think the one in my 
posting was due to cutting and pasting the code to Nabble.


My sample stack of two cards has four checkboxes on one card and 
four on the second. Each checkbox has code to show a field that when 
it is checked. To see if the checkboxes are receiving the mouseUp, I 
set all of the fields associated with the checkboxes to invisible. 
The checkboxes that are checked on the first card show the fields 
but the checkboxes on the second card do not and generates an error 
message in the IDE when I pressed the mouseUp button on the first 
card. If I click on the checkbox to uncheck, the error message 
appears for the next checkbox that is checked. If you have any other 
ideas, please feel free to suggest them!


Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com



Craig meant me thinks that your inner if should be

if the hilite of button b of card y = true then
  send mouseUp to button b of card y
end if

instead of

if the hilite of button b of card y = true then send mouseUp to 
button b of card y


to avoid compilation ambiguity.

Anyway, your script may fail if your mouseup function does sth that 
refers to the buttons on the other card, which are not present on the 
current card and it does not make full reference to them but only 
uses short names.


Robert
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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread charles61

Robert,

I am sorry for the wrong name! I was looking at an e-mail above yours when I 
sent you a reply. I will try your suggestion and read your comments. Thanks!

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Robert Brenstein [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

 On 20.10.10 at 07:49 -0700 charles61 apparently wrote:
 
 Hi Craig! 
  
 I checked for line breaks but there is none. I think the one in my 
 posting was due to cutting and pasting the code to Nabble. 
  
 My sample stack of two cards has four checkboxes on one card and 
 four on the second. Each checkbox has code to show a field that when 
 it is checked. To see if the checkboxes are receiving the mouseUp, I 
 set all of the fields associated with the checkboxes to invisible. 
 The checkboxes that are checked on the first card show the fields 
 but the checkboxes on the second card do not and generates an error 
 message in the IDE when I pressed the mouseUp button on the first 
 card. If I click on the checkbox to uncheck, the error message 
 appears for the next checkbox that is checked. If you have any other 
 ideas, please feel free to suggest them! 
  
 Charles Szasz 
 [hidden email] 
 
 
 Craig meant me thinks that your inner if should be 
 
 if the hilite of button b of card y = true then 
send mouseUp to button b of card y 
 end if 
 
 instead of 
 
 if the hilite of button b of card y = true then send mouseUp to 
 button b of card y 
 
 to avoid compilation ambiguity. 
 
 Anyway, your script may fail if your mouseup function does sth that 
 refers to the buttons on the other card, which are not present on the 
 current card and it does not make full reference to them but only 
 uses short names. 
 
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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread charles61

Robert,

I tried your suggestion. But I get the same results: the checkboxes received 
the message on the first card but the checkboxes on the second card did not 
receive the mouseUp message. 

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Robert Brenstein [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

 On 20.10.10 at 07:49 -0700 charles61 apparently wrote:
 
 Hi Craig! 
  
 I checked for line breaks but there is none. I think the one in my 
 posting was due to cutting and pasting the code to Nabble. 
  
 My sample stack of two cards has four checkboxes on one card and 
 four on the second. Each checkbox has code to show a field that when 
 it is checked. To see if the checkboxes are receiving the mouseUp, I 
 set all of the fields associated with the checkboxes to invisible. 
 The checkboxes that are checked on the first card show the fields 
 but the checkboxes on the second card do not and generates an error 
 message in the IDE when I pressed the mouseUp button on the first 
 card. If I click on the checkbox to uncheck, the error message 
 appears for the next checkbox that is checked. If you have any other 
 ideas, please feel free to suggest them! 
  
 Charles Szasz 
 [hidden email] 
 
 
 Craig meant me thinks that your inner if should be 
 
 if the hilite of button b of card y = true then 
send mouseUp to button b of card y 
 end if 
 
 instead of 
 
 if the hilite of button b of card y = true then send mouseUp to 
 button b of card y 
 
 to avoid compilation ambiguity. 
 
 Anyway, your script may fail if your mouseup function does sth that 
 refers to the buttons on the other card, which are not present on the 
 current card and it does not make full reference to them but only 
 uses short names. 
 
 Robert 
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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread DunbarX
I made a small stack with three cards.

On the first card I placed a button with your script. On all cards I placed 
a checkBox button with a mouseUp handler in it.

I ran the handler from the first card, and got results from the handlers on 
the other cards.

In a message dated 10/20/10 11:21:45 AM, csz...@mac.com writes:


 
 Robert,
 
 I tried your suggestion. But I get the same results: the checkboxes 
 received the message on the first card but the checkboxes on the second card 
 did 
 not receive the mouseUp message.
 
 Charles Szasz
 csz...@mac.com
 
 
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Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!

2010-10-20 Thread Richard Gaskin

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 snip

 My last purchase was a Dell laptop, and I've been impressed with the
 good performance and solid construction of the machine.  I got that
 one second-hand, but now that I know how to get OS-less computers
 from Dell my next one will probably be from them.

 Just be aware that beyond the extended 3 year warranty (which you
 pay extra for) Dell offers NO SERVICE WHATSOEVER. That means if
 your laptop dumps at 1 year and 1 day and you didn't get the extended
 warranty, your are SOL.

Are you talking about Dell or Apple? ;)

As a long-time Apple customer, I'm accustomed to paying extra for the 
extended warranty.  The Apple support forums are full of sad stories of 
people who didn't get it, but since I always do with every computer I've 
generally had a good experience with the many Mac repairs I've needed 
over the years.



 Of course, they might sell you a warranty if you don't tell them
 the computer is broke. After 3 years you cannot get any parts or
 get repairs at an authorized Dell service center, because THERE
 ISN'T ANY SUCH THING.

After three years I generally order parts via Ebay and pull out my 
screwdriver, with all makes.


Once the warranty is gone, I'm free to mod at will. :)


 I was buying Dells for the Church up till I learned that little
 tidbit. Now it's HP's I think.

I like HPs too.  A couple of their models are very attractive, and 
apparently they offer the same OS-free option through their business sales.


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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread charles61

This weird! The script editor shows that the checkboxes on the second card are 
being examined in the repeat loop but the checkboxes that are checked are not 
receiving the mouseUp command. This is also supported that the checkboxes are 
not showing the fields that are not hidden. 

So, I don't know what the difference is between your sample stack and my sample 
stack to account for the difference results. 

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:54 AM, dunbarx [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

 I made a small stack with three cards. 
 
 On the first card I placed a button with your script. On all cards I placed 
 a checkBox button with a mouseUp handler in it. 
 
 I ran the handler from the first card, and got results from the handlers on 
 the other cards. 
 
 In a message dated 10/20/10 11:21:45 AM, [hidden email] writes: 
 
 
  
  Robert, 
  
  I tried your suggestion. But I get the same results: the checkboxes 
  received the message on the first card but the checkboxes on the second 
  card did 
  not receive the mouseUp message. 
  
  Charles Szasz 
  [hidden email] 
  
 
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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Wieder
charles61-

Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 7:02:51 AM, you wrote:

 I checked the fields and script in this sample stack and cannot find
 anything incorrect. So, I have to think there is a problem in my button
 script below.

There's nothing wrong with this script. The error is probably in the
mouseup handler for the checkboxes. Since you didn't post that, it's
hard to say any more.

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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread Klaus on-rev
Hi Charles,

 Robert,
 
 I tried your suggestion. But I get the same results: the checkboxes received 
 the message on the first card but the checkboxes on the second card did not 
 receive the mouseUp message. 
 
 Charles Szasz
 csz...@mac.com

your script is OK!
But check Roberts answer, that is what's going on on your side!

 ...
 Anyway, your script may fail if your mouseup function does sth that 
 refers to the buttons on the other card, which are not present on the 
 current card and it does not make full reference to them but only 
 uses short names. 

To avoid this and other traps when sending mouseup to object on other cards 
you coul do this and
since there is no defaultCard (like defaultstack) that we can set, we have 
to go to all the cards to 
avoid this above mentioned phenomenon!

on mouseUp
 ## We want to return to this card after the script has finished!
 put the num of this cd into tStartCard
 lock screen
  repeat with y = 1 to the number of cards
  
  ## We actually have to GO to the cards but to avoid unnecessary
  ## PRE/OPENCARD messages we have to:
 lock messages
 go cd y
 unlock messages
 repeat with b= 1 to the number of buttons
if the style of button b  = checkbox then
   if the hilite of button b  = true then 
   send mouseUp to button b
   end if
   end if
 end repeat
end repeat

## Go back
 lock messages
 go cd tStartCard
 unlock messages
 unlock screen
end mouseUp

 
 Robert 

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Re: On-Rev File Browser Upload Dialog

2010-10-20 Thread Matthias Rebbe
Hi Rick,

there was something similiar by Magix. 

Please find the example at the following url.

http://matthiasrebbe.eu/on-rev/upld-1.0.zip

hth,

Matthias


Am 20.10.2010 um 17:08 schrieb Rick Harrison:

 I really don't want to re-invent the wheel today.
 
 How can I get a simple file browser upload dialog
 to upload a file using an irev script located at On-Rev.
 
 I understand that I'll probably be using 
 libURLftpUploadFile for this.
 
 If this were just a stack I'd be using:
 
 answer file Please choose the file to upload
 
 to generate the dialog.  As I understand it, 'answer'
 just doesn't work for irev scripts.
 
 This seems like such a basic need, that I can't
 imagine that no one has done this before.
 
 If you have any example code, that would be excellent.
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
 Rick
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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread charles61



Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com


Klaus,

Thanks for your suggestion! I will try it. Thanks again!

On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Klaus on-rev [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

 Hi Charles, 
 
  Robert, 
  
  I tried your suggestion. But I get the same results: the checkboxes 
  received the message on the first card but the checkboxes on the second 
  card did not receive the mouseUp message. 
  
  Charles Szasz 
  [hidden email] 
 
 your script is OK! 
 But check Roberts answer, that is what's going on on your side! 
 
  ... 
  Anyway, your script may fail if your mouseup function does sth that 
  refers to the buttons on the other card, which are not present on the 
  current card and it does not make full reference to them but only 
  uses short names. 
 
 To avoid this and other traps when sending mouseup to object on other cards 
 you coul do this and 
 since there is no defaultCard (like defaultstack) that we can set, we 
 have to go to all the cards to 
 avoid this above mentioned phenomenon! 
 
 on mouseUp 
  ## We want to return to this card after the script has finished! 
  put the num of this cd into tStartCard 
  lock screen 
   repeat with y = 1 to the number of cards 
   
   ## We actually have to GO to the cards but to avoid unnecessary 
   ## PRE/OPENCARD messages we have to: 
  lock messages 
  go cd y 
  unlock messages 
  repeat with b= 1 to the number of buttons 
 if the style of button b  = checkbox then 
if the hilite of button b  = true then 
send mouseUp to button b 
end if 
end if 
  end repeat 
 end repeat 
 
 ## Go back 
  lock messages 
  go cd tStartCard 
  unlock messages 
  unlock screen 
 end mouseUp 
 
  
  Robert 
 
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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread charles61

Klaus,

Your script worked!  What changes do I have to make if I wanted to use this 
script to send a mouseUp to checkboxes on marked cards?  I did not use marked 
cards in my sample stack.

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Klaus on-rev [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

 Hi Charles, 
 
  Robert, 
  
  I tried your suggestion. But I get the same results: the checkboxes 
  received the message on the first card but the checkboxes on the second 
  card did not receive the mouseUp message. 
  
  Charles Szasz 
  [hidden email] 
 
 your script is OK! 
 But check Roberts answer, that is what's going on on your side! 
 
  ... 
  Anyway, your script may fail if your mouseup function does sth that 
  refers to the buttons on the other card, which are not present on the 
  current card and it does not make full reference to them but only 
  uses short names. 
 
 To avoid this and other traps when sending mouseup to object on other cards 
 you coul do this and 
 since there is no defaultCard (like defaultstack) that we can set, we 
 have to go to all the cards to 
 avoid this above mentioned phenomenon! 
 
 on mouseUp 
  ## We want to return to this card after the script has finished! 
  put the num of this cd into tStartCard 
  lock screen 
   repeat with y = 1 to the number of cards 
   
   ## We actually have to GO to the cards but to avoid unnecessary 
   ## PRE/OPENCARD messages we have to: 
  lock messages 
  go cd y 
  unlock messages 
  repeat with b= 1 to the number of buttons 
 if the style of button b  = checkbox then 
if the hilite of button b  = true then 
send mouseUp to button b 
end if 
end if 
  end repeat 
 end repeat 
 
 ## Go back 
  lock messages 
  go cd tStartCard 
  unlock messages 
  unlock screen 
 end mouseUp 
 
  
  Robert 
 
 Best 
 
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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread Robert Brenstein

On 20.10.10 at 18:04 +0200 Klaus on-rev apparently wrote:

  Anyway, your script may fail if your mouseup function does sth that

 refers to the buttons on the other card, which are not present on the
 current card and it does not make full reference to them but only
 uses short names.


To avoid this and other traps when sending mouseup to object on 
other cards you coul do this and
since there is no defaultCard (like defaultstack) that we can 
set, we have to go to all the cards to

avoid this above mentioned phenomenon!


If one uses full reference in the called script (that is script in 
btn b of cd y refers to itself as btn b of cd y) then going to that 
card before running that script is not needed.


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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread Klaus on-rev
Hi Charles,

 Klaus,
 
 Your script worked!  

Go figure :-)

 What changes do I have to make if I wanted to use this script to send a 
 mouseUp to checkboxes on marked cards?  I did not use marked cards in my 
 sample stack.

See below...

 Charles Szasz
 csz...@mac.com
 
 
 ...
 
 
 on mouseUp 
 ## We want to return to this card after the script has finished! 
 put the num of this cd into tStartCard 
 lock screen 
  repeat with y = 1 to the number of cards 

  if the mark of cd y  true then
   next repeat
  end if
 
  ## We actually have to GO to the cards but to avoid unnecessary 
  ## PRE/OPENCARD messages we have to: 
 lock messages 
 go cd y 
 unlock messages 
 repeat with b= 1 to the number of buttons 
if the style of button b  = checkbox then 
   if the hilite of button b  = true then 
   send mouseUp to button b 
   end if 
   end if 
 end repeat 
 end repeat 
 
 ## Go back 
 lock messages 
 go cd tStartCard 
 unlock messages 
 unlock screen 
 end mouseUp 

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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread charles61

Klaus,

Thanks!

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Klaus on-rev [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

 Hi Charles, 
 
  Klaus, 
  
  Your script worked!   
 
 Go figure :-) 
 
  What changes do I have to make if I wanted to use this script to send a 
  mouseUp to checkboxes on marked cards?  I did not use marked cards in my 
  sample stack. 
 
 See below... 
 
  Charles Szasz 
  [hidden email] 
  
  
  ... 
  
  
  on mouseUp 
  ## We want to return to this card after the script has finished! 
  put the num of this cd into tStartCard 
  lock screen 
   repeat with y = 1 to the number of cards
 
   if the mark of cd y  true then 
next repeat 
   end if
 
  
   ## We actually have to GO to the cards but to avoid unnecessary 
   ## PRE/OPENCARD messages we have to: 
  lock messages 
  go cd y 
  unlock messages 
  repeat with b= 1 to the number of buttons 
 if the style of button b  = checkbox then 
if the hilite of button b  = true then 
send mouseUp to button b 
end if 
end if 
  end repeat 
  end repeat 
  
  ## Go back 
  lock messages 
  go cd tStartCard 
  unlock messages 
  unlock screen 
  end mouseUp
 
 Best 
 
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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread Klaus on-rev
Hi Robert,

 On 20.10.10 at 18:04 +0200 Klaus on-rev apparently wrote:
  Anyway, your script may fail if your mouseup function does sth that
 refers to the buttons on the other card, which are not present on the
 current card and it does not make full reference to them but only
 uses short names.
 
 To avoid this and other traps when sending mouseup to object on other 
 cards you coul do this and
 since there is no defaultCard (like defaultstack) that we can set, we 
 have to go to all the cards to
 avoid this above mentioned phenomenon!
 
 If one uses full reference in the called script (that is script in btn b of 
 cd y refers to itself as btn b of cd y) then going to that card before 
 running that script is not needed.

yep, but if one doesn't, it is ;-)

 Robert

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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread charles61

Robert,

I understand your previous e-mail about using custom handlers.  I have never 
used this concept before. But I am not following you when you sent the 
following:

f one uses full reference in the called script (that is script in 
btn b of cd y refers to itself as btn b of cd y) then going to that 
card before running that script is not needed. 

While the script that Klaus posted works, I still want to fully understand your 
comments above. Could you elaborate further?

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Robert Brenstein [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

 On 20.10.10 at 18:04 +0200 Klaus on-rev apparently wrote:
 
Anyway, your script may fail if your mouseup function does sth that 
   refers to the buttons on the other card, which are not present on the 
   current card and it does not make full reference to them but only 
   uses short names. 
  
 To avoid this and other traps when sending mouseup to object on 
 other cards you coul do this and 
 since there is no defaultCard (like defaultstack) that we can 
 set, we have to go to all the cards to 
 avoid this above mentioned phenomenon!
 
 If one uses full reference in the called script (that is script in 
 btn b of cd y refers to itself as btn b of cd y) then going to that 
 card before running that script is not needed. 
 
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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread Robert Brenstein

On 20.10.10 at 09:47 -0700 charles61 apparently wrote:

Robert,

I understand your previous e-mail about using custom handlers.  I 
have never used this concept before. But I am not following you when 
you sent the following:


f one uses full reference in the called script (that is script in
btn b of cd y refers to itself as btn b of cd y) then going to that
card before running that script is not needed.

While the script that Klaus posted works, I still want to fully 
understand your comments above. Could you elaborate further?


Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com



For example, a btn on cd 1 does

  send dostuff to btn 3 of cd 2

handler dostuff in btn 3 on cd 2 has

  show fld 1

This will fail unless you are on this card (using go in btn on cd 1 
as Klaus suggested). However,


  show fld 1 of cd 2

will work with the send without having to go. This will work just 
fine if executed by clicking btn 3 on cd 2, if its mouseUp is


mouseUp
  dostuff
end mouseUp

Having of cd 2 in the object reference is what I meant by full 
reference. Of course, normally, one would use names of objects.


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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread charles61

Robert,

Thanks for your explanation and your time!

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




On Oct 20, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Robert Brenstein [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

 On 20.10.10 at 09:47 -0700 charles61 apparently wrote:
 
 Robert, 
  
 I understand your previous e-mail about using custom handlers.  I 
 have never used this concept before. But I am not following you when 
 you sent the following: 
  
 f one uses full reference in the called script (that is script in 
 btn b of cd y refers to itself as btn b of cd y) then going to that 
 card before running that script is not needed. 
  
 While the script that Klaus posted works, I still want to fully 
 understand your comments above. Could you elaborate further? 
  
 Charles Szasz 
 [hidden email] 
 
 
 For example, a btn on cd 1 does 
 
send dostuff to btn 3 of cd 2 
 
 handler dostuff in btn 3 on cd 2 has 
 
show fld 1 
 
 This will fail unless you are on this card (using go in btn on cd 1 
 as Klaus suggested). However, 
 
show fld 1 of cd 2 
 
 will work with the send without having to go. This will work just 
 fine if executed by clicking btn 3 on cd 2, if its mouseUp is 
 
 mouseUp 
dostuff 
 end mouseUp 
 
 Having of cd 2 in the object reference is what I meant by full 
 reference. Of course, normally, one would use names of objects. 
 
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[OT] USB 2.0 PCI card in a G3 Mac

2010-10-20 Thread Richmond

 Anybody with any drivers / ideas ?

sincerely, Richmond.
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Re: [ANN]BvG Docu 1.7

2010-10-20 Thread Peter Alcibiades

Have you tested the increase type size on Linux?  It does not seem to work
for me.  Debian Squeeze and Fluxbox.

Peter
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Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!

2010-10-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
I mean that Dell will not repair your computer beyond the 3 years extended 
warranty, because they have no infrastructure to do that. Apple will repair a 
10 year old computer if they still have parts, as long as you are willing to 
pay for it, and I happen to live down the street from an Apple store (not 
everyone has that luxury I know). 

Bob


On Oct 20, 2010, at 8:49 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

  Just be aware that beyond the extended 3 year warranty (which you
  pay extra for) Dell offers NO SERVICE WHATSOEVER. That means if
  your laptop dumps at 1 year and 1 day and you didn't get the extended
  warranty, your are SOL.
 
 Are you talking about Dell or Apple? ;)

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Re: [ANN]BvG Docu 1.7

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Björnke-

Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 4:41:27 AM, you wrote:

 I fixed that, and i changed the test of revappversion() = 4.5.0
 to char 1 to 3 of the version = 4.5. I think that one should also
 work in metacard, as well as for those crazy people who use beta
 versions of the ide as main environment (shame on you). 

Nice. To remain future-friendly, you might want to change the check to

 if the version  4.5

 note: claim of properly working in metacard untested

It doesn't work in mc because you make calls to the revxml library, as
in line 245 of DocsLibContent (revcreatexmltree). Once I figure out
how to get mc to recognize rev externals (Klaus?) this should work.

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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
The rub lies in the fact that Revolution (WHOOPS! Sorry RunRev (WHOOP! Sorry 
LiveCode!)) allows short references to objects. If you refer to button 1, 
LiveCode resolves this internally to mean button 1 of [the background the 
button belongs to if any of] the card I am currently looking at of the stack 
that card is in. 

So when you call MouseUp for a button on another card, the card you are STILL 
IN is the one you are looking at, NOT the card the button is on which contains 
the mouseUp handler. By actually GOING to that card first (one method) the 
card you are looking at now means the one the button you are sending mouseUp 
to is on, because you just went there, and now the card and all it's objects 
are loaded into memory. 

Now something to consider when writing scripts in buttons or any kind of card 
object like fields and menus and such, is that the scripts in the objects 
should not do anything that refers to objects not on the current card. Some 
would disagree with me, but I think this is a good practice in order to keep 
your code readable. Instead, handlers like that should be in card, background 
or stack scripts because of the kinds of issues you encountered. 

For instance, if I have a script that modifies objects on each card, I would 
put that script in the stack script, because all the cards are in the stack. I 
could get the long names of all the cards of this stack, and then loop through 
each line to build the long names of all the objects I am referencing, but as 
noted above, it is often easier to lock the screen and then actually go to each 
card (as noted above). Also, I try to avoid doing any coding in buttons and 
fields and such that actually change anything. I call functions and commands in 
the card, background or stack scripts, depending on the scope of the command or 
function. 

It's nice to have your code modular, so that it is contained in each object 
that calls it, but practically it gets to be a real pain later on when you have 
LOTS of handlers in LOTS of objects. Keeping track of where it all is becomes 
unmanageable in a hurry. 

One more thing (and pardon my lengthy reply) but often people with past 
experience in Hypercard continue to use the method of having one card per bit 
of information to store their data. Just know that LiveCode is not really 
optimized for this, as many Hypercard importers have discovered. It's probably 
better to store your data in a custom property and design your cards as forms 
instead. 

Just my 2¢

Bob


On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:47 AM, charles61 wrote:

 
 Robert,
 
 I understand your previous e-mail about using custom handlers.  I have never 
 used this concept before. But I am not following you when you sent the 
 following:
 
 f one uses full reference in the called script (that is script in 
 btn b of cd y refers to itself as btn b of cd y) then going to that 
 card before running that script is not needed. 
 
 While the script that Klaus posted works, I still want to fully understand 
 your comments above. Could you elaborate further?
 
 Charles Szasz
 csz...@mac.com
 

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Re:

2010-10-20 Thread Richard Gaskin

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 I mean that Dell will not repair your computer beyond the 3 years
 extended warranty, because they have no infrastructure to do that.
 Apple will repair a 10 year old computer if they still have parts,
 as long as you are willing to pay for it...

For their prices I can usually find another local vendor for my 
out-of-warranty machines.


Then again, I can both save more and learn more doing most repairs myself.

 ...and I happen to live down the street from an Apple store (not
 everyone has that luxury I know).

In my experiences attempting repairs through the Apple store they don't 
do much in the store, and send most of it out to a remote center which 
they tell me takes between two and four weeks.


I live near two Apple Stores, and I prefer a local authorized repair 
center over the Apple store.  At this place (Di-No in Pasadena) they 
make appointments, order the parts, and you only bring in your machine 
when the parts arrive to bring your downtown as close to zero as possible.


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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread Richmond

 On 10/20/2010 09:28 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

The rub lies in the fact that Revolution (WHOOPS! Sorry RunRev (WHOOP! Sorry 
LiveCode!))


That reminds me of the way Supercard and Toolbook kept changing 
ownership . . .

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[OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Andre Garzia
Folks,

check out: http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/

http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/Will our LiveCode apps be featured
there? So far we do not know since the thing was announced 10 minutes ago,
but one can only hope!

Andre

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Re:

2010-10-20 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 10/20/10 1:18 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


In my experiences attempting repairs through the Apple store they don't
do much in the store, and send most of it out to a remote center which
they tell me takes between two and four weeks.


Odd. I've never had that happen. They've always done repairs while I 
wait in the same visit. Ive never needed anything they didn't have in 
stock though. Or maybe it's a Minnesota Nice thing. :)


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RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Lynn Fredricks
 check out: http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/

Given how awful software is in the channel here in the USA, I think this is
a good thing for Mac developers. It will be interesting to see what sort of
restrictions or requirements there will be. A 30% margin to retail is about
right, provided there are no other charges.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: On-Rev File Browser Upload Dialog

2010-10-20 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Matthias,

This is an interesting solution.  It uses a combination
of javascript, irev, etc..  I installed the code, and it doesn't
want to work just yet.  It's telling me that the form isn't
supported.  

Looks like it will only work with a multi-part form?
I'll make one and try it again. 

Any more documentation on this solution?

Anything solution using pure irev  or that's a little more simple out there?

Thanks,

Rick

On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:

 Hi Rick,
 
 there was something similiar by Magix. 
 
 Please find the example at the following url.
 
 http://matthiasrebbe.eu/on-rev/upld-1.0.zip
 
 hth,
 
 Matthias
 
 
 Am 20.10.2010 um 17:08 schrieb Rick Harrison:
 
 I really don't want to re-invent the wheel today.
 
 How can I get a simple file browser upload dialog
 to upload a file using an irev script located at On-Rev.
 
 I understand that I'll probably be using 
 libURLftpUploadFile for this.
 
 If this were just a stack I'd be using:
 
 answer file Please choose the file to upload
 
 to generate the dialog.  As I understand it, 'answer'
 just doesn't work for irev scripts.
 
 This seems like such a basic need, that I can't
 imagine that no one has done this before.
 
 If you have any example code, that would be excellent.
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
 Rick
 



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Re: On-Rev File Browser Upload Dialog

2010-10-20 Thread Andre Garzia
Rick,

There is no way around this.

RevServer is not like the desktop engine, there is no GUI. Actually the
whole web is like this, you communicate using stateless transactions
exchanging what is basically text. What you do is send a form to the browser
with the correct encoding and inputs and then you decode back this form.

check out a little document on the web called HTTP made really easy to
understand more about the underlining protocol and then check out w3schools
website on HTML, CSS and Javascript.

With the clear picture in mind, check out the MVC paradigm which is the one
that maps better to RevServer with HTML/CSS/JS being the View and RevServer,
the controller

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Rick Harrison harri...@all-auctions.comwrote:

 Hi Matthias,

 This is an interesting solution.  It uses a combination
 of javascript, irev, etc..  I installed the code, and it doesn't
 want to work just yet.  It's telling me that the form isn't
 supported.

 Looks like it will only work with a multi-part form?
 I'll make one and try it again.

 Any more documentation on this solution?

 Anything solution using pure irev  or that's a little more simple out
 there?

 Thanks,

 Rick

 On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:

  Hi Rick,
 
  there was something similiar by Magix.
 
  Please find the example at the following url.
 
  http://matthiasrebbe.eu/on-rev/upld-1.0.zip
 
  hth,
 
  Matthias
 
 
  Am 20.10.2010 um 17:08 schrieb Rick Harrison:
 
  I really don't want to re-invent the wheel today.
 
  How can I get a simple file browser upload dialog
  to upload a file using an irev script located at On-Rev.
 
  I understand that I'll probably be using
  libURLftpUploadFile for this.
 
  If this were just a stack I'd be using:
 
  answer file Please choose the file to upload
 
  to generate the dialog.  As I understand it, 'answer'
  just doesn't work for irev scripts.
 
  This seems like such a basic need, that I can't
  imagine that no one has done this before.
 
  If you have any example code, that would be excellent.
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
  Rick
 



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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Thomas McGrath III
This is very interesting and seems to be a huge opportunity for RR/LC 
developers. It appears that regular executables will work on the Apple Mac 
Store.


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On Oct 20, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

 check out: http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/
 
 Given how awful software is in the channel here in the USA, I think this is
 a good thing for Mac developers. It will be interesting to see what sort of
 restrictions or requirements there will be. A 30% margin to retail is about
 right, provided there are no other charges.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Lynn Fredricks
 President
 Paradigma Software
 http://www.paradigmasoft.com
 
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Andre Garzia wrote:

 check out: http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/
 
 http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/Will our LiveCode apps be featured
 there? So far we do not know since the thing was announced 10 minutes ago,
 but one can only hope!

I read sometime in November...

Regards,

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Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Colin Holgate

On Oct 20, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

 check out: http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/
 
 http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/Will our LiveCode apps be featured
 there? So far we do not know since the thing was announced 10 minutes ago,
 but one can only hope!
 
 I read sometime in November...


Store is due to be live in 90 days, but they will be accepting apps from 
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Richard Gaskin

Lynn Fredricks wrote:


check out: http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/


Given how awful software is in the channel here in the USA, I think this is
a good thing for Mac developers. It will be interesting to see what sort of
restrictions or requirements there will be.


I went to find out, and they provide a link, but apparently the Mac Dev 
Program now requires a fee like the iOS program, so you need to give 
them money in order to find out if it's worth giving them money.


I gotta say that fills me with a certain envy:  I wish I had what it 
takes to get people to pay me before they're able to find out whether 
they want to pay me. ;)


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Re: Sending mouseup to checkboxes on different card

2010-10-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
Not complaining, just thought it was a funny thing to say. :-)

Bob


On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Richmond wrote:

 On 10/20/2010 09:28 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 The rub lies in the fact that Revolution (WHOOPS! Sorry RunRev (WHOOP! Sorry 
 LiveCode!))
 
 That reminds me of the way Supercard and Toolbook kept changing ownership . . 
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Re:

2010-10-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
I have a business account at South Coast Plaza in Orange County CA. They do 
pretty well. Sometimes they are required to send it out. I think that is all 
controlled from Cupertino. 

Bob


On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:10 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 On 10/20/10 1:18 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 
 In my experiences attempting repairs through the Apple store they don't
 do much in the store, and send most of it out to a remote center which
 they tell me takes between two and four weeks.
 
 Odd. I've never had that happen. They've always done repairs while I wait in 
 the same visit. Ive never needed anything they didn't have in stock though. 
 Or maybe it's a Minnesota Nice thing. :)
 
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Re: On-Rev File Browser Upload Dialog

2010-10-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
HELP Mr. Wizard HELP!!! I don't wanna be a web developer anymore!!!

Bob


On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

 Rick,
 
 There is no way around this.
 
 RevServer is not like the desktop engine, there is no GUI. Actually the
 whole web is like this, you communicate using stateless transactions
 exchanging what is basically text. What you do is send a form to the browser
 with the correct encoding and inputs and then you decode back this form.
 
 check out a little document on the web called HTTP made really easy to
 understand more about the underlining protocol and then check out w3schools
 website on HTML, CSS and Javascript.
 
 With the clear picture in mind, check out the MVC paradigm which is the one
 that maps better to RevServer with HTML/CSS/JS being the View and RevServer,
 the controller

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
You clearly have never been in politics.

Bob


On Oct 20, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 Lynn Fredricks wrote:
 
 check out: http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/
 
 Given how awful software is in the channel here in the USA, I think this is
 a good thing for Mac developers. It will be interesting to see what sort of
 restrictions or requirements there will be.
 
 I went to find out, and they provide a link, but apparently the Mac Dev 
 Program now requires a fee like the iOS program, so you need to give them 
 money in order to find out if it's worth giving them money.
 
 I gotta say that fills me with a certain envy:  I wish I had what it takes to 
 get people to pay me before they're able to find out whether they want to pay 
 me. ;)
 
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 Fourth World
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RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Lynn Fredricks
 I went to find out, and they provide a link, but apparently 
 the Mac Dev Program now requires a fee like the iOS program, 
 so you need to give them money in order to find out if it's 
 worth giving them money.
 
 I gotta say that fills me with a certain envy:  I wish I had 
 what it takes to get people to pay me before they're able to 
 find out whether they want to pay me. ;)

Yes, indeed!

Some rumor has been going around that apps cant support auto updating or
serial key type licensing.

Is is possible with iOS apps to require registration? I would hate to think
that Apple should have my customer information but not be allowed to know
who my customers are, or not.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 

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revServer installation issues

2010-10-20 Thread Phil Davis

Hey folks -

I'm trying to figure out where I'm going wrong as I try to get revServer going 
on my Mac Mini. I have followed all the advice (I think) in the great emails 
from Devin Asay and Mike Bonner from July 20 and I see my test.irev page being 
served but without the ?rev ... ? stuff being preprocessed - in fact the HTML 
isn't rendered as HTML either; it all comes into my browser window as text.


Any clues?

Yes, I'm restarting apache after making each carefully-commented-so-I 
can-back-out change to httpd.conf. My apache logs don't show anything unusual.


My outcomes don't seem any different whether the revserver filess are owned by 
nobody:wheel or phil:admin.


Thanks for any ideas.
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Re: revServer installation issues

2010-10-20 Thread Devin Asay
Phil,

It seems clear that the config file isn't quite right, and that the revServer 
engine isn't being launched. Where are your revServer files installed, and can 
you post the mods you made to your httpd.conf file? Also, which OS version are 
you running?

Devin

On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

 Hey folks -
 
 I'm trying to figure out where I'm going wrong as I try to get revServer 
 going 
 on my Mac Mini. I have followed all the advice (I think) in the great emails 
 from Devin Asay and Mike Bonner from July 20 and I see my test.irev page 
 being 
 served but without the ?rev ... ? stuff being preprocessed - in fact the 
 HTML 
 isn't rendered as HTML either; it all comes into my browser window as text.
 
 Any clues?
 
 Yes, I'm restarting apache after making each carefully-commented-so-I 
 can-back-out change to httpd.conf. My apache logs don't show anything unusual.
 
 My outcomes don't seem any different whether the revserver filess are owned 
 by 
 nobody:wheel or phil:admin.
 
 Thanks for any ideas.
 -- 
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 PDS Labs
 Professional Software Development
 http://pdslabs.net
 
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Re: revServer installation issues

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Bonner
out of curiosity, are you changing the files in /etc/httpd or /etc/apache2
if in httpd, try apache2 (if you're pretty sure you're setting them up
right) or if trying apache2 try httpd
Assuming both folders exist.

And did you turn in ExecCGI in the options for whatever directory you're
setting up?

Pretty much just the 3 things
and add ExecCGI to the options line

Options Your Options Here plus ExecCGI
AddHandler rev-script .irev
Action /cgi-bin/revserver
All within a directory... ...   /Directory block.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote:

 Hey folks -

 I'm trying to figure out where I'm going wrong as I try to get revServer
 going on my Mac Mini. I have followed all the advice (I think) in the great
 emails from Devin Asay and Mike Bonner from July 20 and I see my test.irev
 page being served but without the ?rev ... ? stuff being preprocessed - in
 fact the HTML isn't rendered as HTML either; it all comes into my browser
 window as text.

 Any clues?

 Yes, I'm restarting apache after making each carefully-commented-so-I
 can-back-out change to httpd.conf. My apache logs don't show anything
 unusual.

 My outcomes don't seem any different whether the revserver filess are owned
 by nobody:wheel or phil:admin.

 Thanks for any ideas.
 --
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 PDS Labs
 Professional Software Development
 http://pdslabs.net

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

 Given how awful software is in the channel here in the USA, I think this is
 a good thing for Mac developers. It will be interesting to see what sort of
 restrictions or requirements there will be.

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/10/20/apple-posts-guidelines-for-mac-app-store-and
-we-have-highlights/

Regards,

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Richard Gaskin

Lynn Fredricks wrote:


I went to find out, and they provide a link, but apparently
the Mac Dev Program now requires a fee like the iOS program,
so you need to give them money in order to find out if it's
worth giving them money.

I gotta say that fills me with a certain envy:  I wish I had
what it takes to get people to pay me before they're able to
find out whether they want to pay me. ;)


Yes, indeed!

Some rumor has been going around that apps cant support auto updating or
serial key type licensing.


Can't say.  In order to download the document you have to agree to an 
NDA.  I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill myself.


I imagine Gruber will get a free pass on discussing this as he has with 
other NDA'd things in the past, and apparently TUAW has risked posting 
some tidbits (thanks Scott) like this prohibition:


   - It require license keys or implements its own copy protection

In that one line the cost of making apps for the App Store goes up for 
all multi-platform developers.  Most of us have reg schemes that 
currently work on all platforms, but with the App Store, we'll need to 
have two different methods of product security: one just for Apple and 
another for the entire rest of the world.



This prohibition is just weird:

  - It has metadata that mentions the name of any other computer
platform

Are they that scared of Ubuntu? (Dear Steve:  It's almost Halloween; 
U-Booh!-ntu!)  :)


Or are we not allowed to let our customers know that our app being 
cross-platform is a valuable feature for use in their workplace?


What exactly constitutes metadata in that context?


This one may require RunRev to step up their game on a few details 
(author's own comment included):


  -  It changes the native user interface elements or behaviors of
 Mac OS X (Well, that just wiped out 90% of the best Mac apps
 in a single, flaming fist punch.)

Yep.

Looks like staying in the Mac game is about to get more expensive for 
everyone, from tool makers to developers and to some degree consumers as 
that 30% tax starts to get spread around.


I feel bad for game developers; it's going to be hard for them to 
survive outside of the App Store once the momentum takes hold.


Fortunately most of my clients are in markets too vertical for the App 
Store to make much of a difference,  and our revenues tend to reflect 
general market share percentages anyway (m...@5.7%) so they can afford to 
put off those expenses for a while.




Is is possible with iOS apps to require registration? I would hate to think
that Apple should have my customer information but not be allowed to know
who my customers are, or not.


How does that work with iOS?

It's hard to imagine they could be so Draconian.

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Chipp Walters
Wow, even though many scoffed, I predicted this would happen on the
improve-list only a few months ago. That's a big camel's nose peeking in
under the tent.

Jeez, how long before you have to JAILBREAK your Mac in order to put your
own programs on it? I believe it's just around the corner..haven't been
wrong yet.
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Monte Goulding
 Wow, even though many scoffed, I predicted this would happen on the
 improve-list only a few months ago. That's a big camel's nose peeking in
 under the tent.
 
 Jeez, how long before you have to JAILBREAK your Mac in order to put your
 own programs on it? I believe it's just around the corner..haven't been
 wrong yet.

I certainly hope your wrong there Chipp. I'm sure it would be a disaster for 
everyone including Apple.

I wonder when they are planning to change the name of iTunes to something that 
represents what it does? The other thing I'm wondering is given iTunes runs on 
Windows is if they have realised they could sell Windows apps through this 
thing?

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Chipp Walters
And now we know the rest of the story-- why the recent changes in iOS
licensing terms. Can you even IMAGINE what this announcement would have
implied had those changes NOT taken place?

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote:

 Wow, even though many scoffed, I predicted this would happen on the
 improve-list only a few months ago. That's a big camel's nose peeking in
 under the tent.

 Jeez, how long before you have to JAILBREAK your Mac in order to put your
 own programs on it? I believe it's just around the corner..haven't been
 wrong yet.




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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Andre Garzia
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Monte Goulding 
mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote:

  Wow, even though many scoffed, I predicted this would happen on the
  improve-list only a few months ago. That's a big camel's nose peeking in
  under the tent.
 
  Jeez, how long before you have to JAILBREAK your Mac in order to put your
  own programs on it? I believe it's just around the corner..haven't been
  wrong yet.

 I certainly hope your wrong there Chipp. I'm sure it would be a disaster
 for everyone including Apple.

 I wonder when they are planning to change the name of iTunes to something
 that represents what it does? The other thing I'm wondering is given iTunes
 runs on Windows is if they have realised they could sell Windows apps
 through this thing?


Folks,

I will probably be sued for this but I am going to break my NDA right now
and tell that they are going to change the name of iTunes on Mac OS X Lion
to iLock

:-P




 Cheers

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Bill Vlahos
I also thought this was going to happen and agree that it makes a lot of sense.

However, I don't see Apple ever locking out other applications. This is just a 
great way to get them.

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 Wow, even though many scoffed, I predicted this would happen on the
 improve-list only a few months ago. That's a big camel's nose peeking in
 under the tent.
 
 Jeez, how long before you have to JAILBREAK your Mac in order to put your
 own programs on it? I believe it's just around the corner..haven't been
 wrong yet.
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RUG Meeting Tomorrow in Southern California

2010-10-20 Thread Bill Vlahos
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/socalrev/messages

Hope to see you there.

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Jim Sims

On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:01 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 Looks like staying in the Mac game is about to get more expensive for 
 everyone, from tool makers to developers and to some degree consumers as that 
 30% tax starts to get spread around.

If this ends up like iPhone/iPad apps then prices drop to 99¢  for that app you 
spent months building. Then Uncle Steve takes his 30% - You get about 70¢ when 
you sell one. A few days go by and your app is buried under ten thousand other 
apps.

This does not sound like it's worth the effort.

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Re: RUG Meeting Tomorrow in Southern California

2010-10-20 Thread Richard Gaskin

Bill Vlahos wrote:


http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/socalrev/messages

Hope to see you there.


Thanks for posting that, Bill.

I just finished a video test with Andre, and he's on board to provide a 
live presentation on networking in Rev for the meeting tomorrow night.


Should be a good time.

7:00PM in Glendale, open to any locals who want to attend.

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Re: On-Rev File Browser Upload Dialog

2010-10-20 Thread Rick Harrison
Andre,

I'm just a little surprised that with as powerful as Rev is,
we are still forced to use the older solutions.

Thanks for the clarification anyway.

Rick

On Oct 20, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

 Rick,
 
 There is no way around this.
 
 RevServer is not like the desktop engine, there is no GUI. Actually the
 whole web is like this, you communicate using stateless transactions
 exchanging what is basically text. What you do is send a form to the browser
 with the correct encoding and inputs and then you decode back this form.
 
 check out a little document on the web called HTTP made really easy to
 understand more about the underlining protocol and then check out w3schools
 website on HTML, CSS and Javascript.
 
 With the clear picture in mind, check out the MVC paradigm which is the one
 that maps better to RevServer with HTML/CSS/JS being the View and RevServer,
 the controller
 
 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Rick Harrison 
 harri...@all-auctions.comwrote:
 
 Hi Matthias,
 
 This is an interesting solution.  It uses a combination
 of javascript, irev, etc..  I installed the code, and it doesn't
 want to work just yet.  It's telling me that the form isn't
 supported.
 
 Looks like it will only work with a multi-part form?
 I'll make one and try it again.
 
 Any more documentation on this solution?
 
 Anything solution using pure irev  or that's a little more simple out
 there?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Rick
 
 On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
 
 Hi Rick,
 
 there was something similiar by Magix.
 
 Please find the example at the following url.
 
 http://matthiasrebbe.eu/on-rev/upld-1.0.zip
 
 hth,
 
 Matthias
 
 
 Am 20.10.2010 um 17:08 schrieb Rick Harrison:
 
 I really don't want to re-invent the wheel today.
 
 How can I get a simple file browser upload dialog
 to upload a file using an irev script located at On-Rev.
 
 I understand that I'll probably be using
 libURLftpUploadFile for this.
 
 If this were just a stack I'd be using:
 
 answer file Please choose the file to upload
 
 to generate the dialog.  As I understand it, 'answer'
 just doesn't work for irev scripts.
 
 This seems like such a basic need, that I can't
 imagine that no one has done this before.
 
 If you have any example code, that would be excellent.
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
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Re: revServer installation issues

2010-10-20 Thread Phil Davis

On 10/20/10 4:57 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

Phil,

It seems clear that the config file isn't quite right, and that the revServer 
engine isn't being launched. Where are your revServer files installed,


/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables
I copied all the files from the 'revserver' folder into the 'CGI-Executables' 
folder - without the enclosing 'revserver' folder.



... and can you post the mods you made to your httpd.conf file?


My mods were applied to the /private/etc/apache2/httpd.conf file, and each 
changed line has a '## PD 201010xx' tag on the end of it.


First, for the record:
DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/Documents

Note - I tried adding some directives in an .htaccess file inside this directory 
but since removed the file.



--- Now the first set of changes -

Directory /Library/WebServer/Documents
AddHandler irev-script .irev  ## PD 20101018 added
Action irev-script /cgi-bin/revserver  ## PD 20101018 added
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews ExecCGI  ## PD 20101018 added 
'ExecCGI'
AllowOverride All   ## PD 20101018 replaced 'None' with 'All' for .htaccess 
overrides


#
# Controls who can get stuff from this server.
#
Order allow,deny
Allow from all

/Directory

--- Second set of changes -

IfModule alias_module
#
ScriptAliasMatch ^/cgi-bin/((?!(?i:webobjects)).*$) 
/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/$1


ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/revserver 
/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/revserver  ##  PD 20101020 added


/IfModule

--- Third set of changes ---

IfModule mime_module
#
# TypesConfig points to the file containing the list of mappings from
# filename extension to MIME-type.
#
TypesConfig /private/etc/apache2/mime.types

   AddType application/x-compress .Z
AddType application/x-gzip .gz .tgz

# For type maps (negotiated resources):
#AddHandler type-map var

AddHandler irev-script .irev  ##  PD 20101020 added
Action irev-script /cgi-bin/revserver  ##  PD 20101020 added

#AddType text/html .shtml
#AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml
/IfModule


Also, which OS version are you running?


10.5.8 Build 9L30 - not OS X server.




Devin

On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Phil Davis wrote:


Hey folks -

I'm trying to figure out where I'm going wrong as I try to get revServer going
on my Mac Mini. I have followed all the advice (I think) in the great emails
from Devin Asay and Mike Bonner from July 20 and I see my test.irev page being
served but without the?rev ... ?  stuff being preprocessed - in fact the HTML
isn't rendered as HTML either; it all comes into my browser window as text.

Any clues?

Yes, I'm restarting apache after making each carefully-commented-so-I
can-back-out change to httpd.conf. My apache logs don't show anything unusual.

My outcomes don't seem any different whether the revserver filess are owned by
nobody:wheel or phil:admin.

Thanks for any ideas.
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Re: revServer installation issues

2010-10-20 Thread Phil Davis

Hi Mike,

On 10/20/10 4:57 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

out of curiosity, are you changing the files in /etc/httpd or /etc/apache2
if in httpd, try apache2 (if you're pretty sure you're setting them up
right) or if trying apache2 try httpd
Assuming both folders exist.


Nope, only the 'apache2' folder exists.

And did you turn in ExecCGI in the options for whatever directory you're
setting up?

Pretty much just the 3 things
and add ExecCGI to the options line

Options Your Options Here plus ExecCGI
AddHandler rev-script .irev
Action /cgi-bin/revserver
All within adirectory... ...   /Directory  block.


Maybe I'm overlooking something - see my response to Devin for more detail.

Thanks Mike -
Phil

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Phil Davisrev...@pdslabs.net  wrote:


Hey folks -

I'm trying to figure out where I'm going wrong as I try to get revServer
going on my Mac Mini. I have followed all the advice (I think) in the great
emails from Devin Asay and Mike Bonner from July 20 and I see my test.irev
page being served but without the?rev ... ?  stuff being preprocessed - in
fact the HTML isn't rendered as HTML either; it all comes into my browser
window as text.

Any clues?

Yes, I'm restarting apache after making each carefully-commented-so-I
can-back-out change to httpd.conf. My apache logs don't show anything
unusual.

My outcomes don't seem any different whether the revserver filess are owned
by nobody:wheel or phil:admin.

Thanks for any ideas.
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Re: revServer installation issues

2010-10-20 Thread Andre Garzia
Phil,

check your error_log after you try to access your irev file, see if there is
a premature end of headers and a permission error, one next to the other.
That usually means suEXEC error.

I managed to replicate your problem here on my mac os x, am trying to solve
it.

andre

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:02 AM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote:

 Hi Mike,


 On 10/20/10 4:57 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

 out of curiosity, are you changing the files in /etc/httpd or /etc/apache2
 if in httpd, try apache2 (if you're pretty sure you're setting them up
 right) or if trying apache2 try httpd
 Assuming both folders exist.


 Nope, only the 'apache2' folder exists.

  And did you turn in ExecCGI in the options for whatever directory you're
 setting up?

 Pretty much just the 3 things
 and add ExecCGI to the options line

 Options Your Options Here plus ExecCGI
 AddHandler rev-script .irev
 Action /cgi-bin/revserver
 All within adirectory... ...   /Directory  block.


 Maybe I'm overlooking something - see my response to Devin for more detail.

 Thanks Mike -
 Phil

  On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Phil Davisrev...@pdslabs.net  wrote:

  Hey folks -

 I'm trying to figure out where I'm going wrong as I try to get revServer
 going on my Mac Mini. I have followed all the advice (I think) in the
 great
 emails from Devin Asay and Mike Bonner from July 20 and I see my
 test.irev
 page being served but without the?rev ... ?  stuff being preprocessed -
 in
 fact the HTML isn't rendered as HTML either; it all comes into my browser
 window as text.

 Any clues?

 Yes, I'm restarting apache after making each carefully-commented-so-I
 can-back-out change to httpd.conf. My apache logs don't show anything
 unusual.

 My outcomes don't seem any different whether the revserver filess are
 owned
 by nobody:wheel or phil:admin.

 Thanks for any ideas.
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Re: revServer installation issues

2010-10-20 Thread Phil Davis

On 10/20/10 10:25 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

Phil,

check your error_log after you try to access your irev file, see if there is
a premature end of headers and a permission error, one next to the other.
That usually means suEXEC error.


Nope, nothing like that. I have an image missing so I get that error but nothing 
else.

I managed to replicate your problem here on my mac os x, am trying to solve
it.


Wow. Thanks Andre! That's huge!

Phil


andre

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:02 AM, Phil Davisrev...@pdslabs.net  wrote:


Hi Mike,


On 10/20/10 4:57 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:


out of curiosity, are you changing the files in /etc/httpd or /etc/apache2
if in httpd, try apache2 (if you're pretty sure you're setting them up
right) or if trying apache2 try httpd
Assuming both folders exist.


Nope, only the 'apache2' folder exists.

  And did you turn in ExecCGI in the options for whatever directory you're

setting up?

Pretty much just the 3 things
and add ExecCGI to the options line

Options Your Options Here plus ExecCGI
AddHandler rev-script .irev
Action /cgi-bin/revserver
All within adirectory... .../Directory   block.


Maybe I'm overlooking something - see my response to Devin for more detail.

Thanks Mike -
Phil

  On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Phil Davisrev...@pdslabs.net   wrote:

  Hey folks -

I'm trying to figure out where I'm going wrong as I try to get revServer
going on my Mac Mini. I have followed all the advice (I think) in the
great
emails from Devin Asay and Mike Bonner from July 20 and I see my
test.irev
page being served but without the?rev ... ?   stuff being preprocessed -
in
fact the HTML isn't rendered as HTML either; it all comes into my browser
window as text.

Any clues?

Yes, I'm restarting apache after making each carefully-commented-so-I
can-back-out change to httpd.conf. My apache logs don't show anything
unusual.

My outcomes don't seem any different whether the revserver filess are
owned
by nobody:wheel or phil:admin.

Thanks for any ideas.
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