Re: revServer installation issues
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote: I managed to replicate your problem here on my mac os x, am trying to solve it. Wow. Thanks Andre! That's huge! I am good at breaking things, specially my computers! Phil -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Chipp Walters wrote: Jeez, how long before you have to JAILBREAK your Mac in order to put your own programs on it? I believe it's just around the corner..haven't been wrong yet. We all have to decide, its both a personal thing and a society thing. The personal thing is do we want to do what we want with the devices we have bought, or do we want the people who sold them to us to tell us what we can do. The social thing is, the PC/Smartphone/tabet is moving to becoming the main vehicle by which people get access to content - books, press, etc. The borders between what is an app and what is content are blurring, and increasingly control of the app is a way of controlling the content that app gets for the user. We have to decide whether we want this access to be controlled by corporations, or if we want it to be open. So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can. Its what the effect on society will be if that model is generally adopted. By, for instance, the main on-line bookseller, in an era when e-books are the only way to get lots of titles. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Mac-App-Store-tp3004425p3005128.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
From a posting on my company blog. Some points made with help and ideas from this list. Thanks to you all. --- Apple really is a remarkable company. Without a doubt, they provide flagship innovation and thought leadership for the rest of the industry and the world (Google, are you listening?). This was again demonstrated yesterday in their very cogent and finely tuned presentation of their new best of breed MacBooks. Lost among the hoopla of the new sleek laptops, and preview of new Apple apps and OSX Lion are a couple announcements which maybe larger issues than first they seem. The more obvious of the two is the announcement of the new Mac AppStore, where customers will be able to purchase Mac desktop apps directly from Apple. I actually predicted this earlier this year on a forum, which when you stop and think, it's no big deal as this is pretty much a no-brainer marketing decision by Apple. On first look, this would seem a natural extension to the iOS AppStore which has been hugely successful-- specifically for Apple. On closer examination, many customers are non-plussed regarding the iPhone app store, with it's lack of features, focussing only on the top selling few apps-- even though Apple claims hundreds and hundreds of thousands of apps available. One problem, just try finding a specific app. There's no keyword indexing in the AppStore, so unless you know the name of the app you want to buy, you're sadly out of luck. The proverbial needle app in the haystore. The Mac AppStore and it's inevitable downward price pressure along with Apple's 30% split spells problems for developers, especially considering Apple has only 20% marketshare in the US, even less in the world. This is certainly not like the iPhone, where Apple is the big gorilla and there is a captive audience. Furthermore, developers like myself are used to creating apps which can be updated quickly and on OUR schedule, not Apple's. Not to mention Mac AppStore developers will have to use Apple's licensing and copy protection schemes. Ugh. Oh, and did I mention you also have to pay Apple a developer fee? So, they can sell YOUR software? Sheesh. Also of issue is the simple fact Apple has a history of changing once, then twice, then anytime they like, their own licensing and submission policies. So, a developer may find an app they have been working on and updating for years is no longer allowed, because it conflicts with some new licensing policy just announced. Or even worse, you're declined for conflicting with a not yet announced Apple software product, or not using the right compiler, or you have the wrong politics. Sadly, it all HAS happened before. Also I've read Apple will provide the terms under which you can talk about the features of your application, only just don't mention it will run on other OS'es. And speaking of talking about the Mac AppStore, if you're a developer you can't. The NDA prohibits talking to anyone about it. Draconian? You decide. Of course the counterpoint to all of this is you don't have to sell through the Mac AppStore. At least not for now. But, I would ask how long before you'll have to jailbreak your own Mac to run third party apps? Don't laugh. No one was laughing when in one fell swoop this past summer Apple wiped out thousands of developers and their chosen tools with a single paragraph change in their license. The Mac AppStore is Step One. Just like hardware and software, the policies are migrating from Mac to iPhone to iPad and now back to Mac. Steve actually drew it up just that way during the presentation. The theme was Back to the Mac. And now for the second issue, the lack of a FaceTime app for PC's. So, in case you don't know, Apple created this very cool futuristic Dick Tracy application called FaceTime, and it allows those with an iPhone 4 to be able to video chat with each other, as long as they are on a WiFi network. This is cool. Earlier today, Apple announced FaceTime for Mac. But not for PC. I'm wondering about the implied message here? My take is Apple is creating a strong case Mac users should buy iPhones and video chat with them, but if you're a PC user, your options are limited. Perhaps people will start to associate iPhones only for Mac users, which surely is detrimental to Apple and leaves the door wide open for Android and others. Of course this assumes Google could one day get their act enough together to actually compete technology-wise with Apple. Perhaps a pipe dream. Just like an Android iPad killer, I'll believe it when I see it. Congrats to Apple on another superbly crafted and slick presentation. Lots of cools stuff. Thankfully I'm not wearing my Gruber Googles. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Chipp Walters wrote: Jeez, how long before you have to JAILBREAK your Mac in order to put your own programs on it? I believe it's just around the corner..haven't been wrong yet. We all have to decide, its both a personal thing and a society thing. The personal thing is do we want to do what we want with the devices we have bought, or do we want the people who sold them to us to tell us what we can do. The social thing is, the PC/Smartphone/tabet is moving to becoming the main vehicle by which people get access to content - books, press, etc. The borders between what is an app and what is content are blurring, and increasingly control of the app is a way of controlling the content that app gets for the user. We have to decide whether we want this access to be controlled by corporations, or if we want it to be open. So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can. I think they will end up shooting themselves in the bottom if they do this; sooner or later end-users will work out that a PC for half the price, running some sort of easily installable desktop Linux (Mint?) at no price at all looks better than an OS tied to hardware tied to dictatorial control about what you can and cannot do with the thing! I am inclined to belive that Jobs, while, possibly, suffering from some sort of megalomania, cannot believe that he has a sufficient brainwashed following to allow him to dictate terms to people who pay him. When it comes down to things, one has to keep the customer happy, unless, of course the cult of Macintosh is far more cult-like than we all realised. However, if you think I'm going to start peddling flowers in airports for Steve Jobs you have another thing coming: done that once, and once bitten, twice shy! Its what the effect on society will be if that model is generally adopted. By, for instance, the main on-line bookseller, in an era when e-books are the only way to get lots of titles. Well; as an ex-moonie once remarked to me; out in the real world there are plays to go to, films to watch, books to read, flowers to smell that don't require the imprimatur of Hoo Flung Dung. And, who, without being brainwashed is going to opt for a restricted view of things?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticket_To_Heaven Out in the Open Source Software world the likes of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates can go and boil their heads. So; if I want to read an e-book I am, obviously (unless I am hypnotised), going to make sure I have some sort of machine to read the thing, and by 'thing', I mean ANY e-book I want to read, not only those Jobsy or Gatesy have decided is suitable for my tiny mind. [ Just the other day I found an illegal copy of 'Dr Zhivago' (in Russian) that had been smuggled out of the Soviet Union in 1978 by my late Father-in-law; he risked prison and beatings for that! ] Down the line . . . . . . This does mean that the RunRev / LiveCode people will have to stop looking at their Linux variant as the odd one out and start treating it equally to the Mac and Win variants; and, mayhap, in due course, put it in pole-position. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
MetaCard and LiveCode externals WAS: Re: [ANN]BvG Docu 1.7
Hi Mark, Björnke- Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 4:41:27 AM, you wrote: I fixed that, and i changed the test of revappversion() = 4.5.0 to char 1 to 3 of the version = 4.5. I think that one should also work in metacard, as well as for those crazy people who use beta versions of the ide as main environment (shame on you). Nice. To remain future-friendly, you might want to change the check to if the version 4.5 note: claim of properly working in metacard untested It doesn't work in mc because you make calls to the revxml library, as in line 245 of DocsLibContent (revcreatexmltree). Once I figure out how to get mc to recognize rev externals (Klaus?) this should work. Hmm, this is pretty straightforward! :-) Anyway, I created a folder externals in my MC folder and copied ALL the LC externals into that folder. NO subfolder for RevDB stuff!!! Then I added a little script to my home stack that will load the externals and use that stack: on openStack externalseinrichten start using this stack #... end openStack ## German for setup externals command externalseinrichten put the filename of this stack into fn set itemdel to / delete item -1 of fn put /externals/ after fn put the folder into olddir set the folder to fn # Mac! # Use files and filter with *.dll for Windows put the folders into tBundles filter tBundles with *.bundle repeat for each line i in tBundles put fn i CR after Xlist end repeat delete char -1 of Xlist set the folder to olddir set the externals of this stack to Xlist end externalseinrichten That's it! -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revServer installation issues
From your description, it sounds like the new directives aren't getting loaded at all. If you run: /usr/sbin/httpd -V |grep -i server_config_file does it show the correct config file is at -D SERVER_CONFIG_FILE=/private/etc/apache2/httpd.conf? And you're using the server document root not your Sites directory. Oh, and have you checked to make sure revserver is executable? This should NOT be the problem, if it were your browser should get an internal server error response, but doesn't hurt to confirm. Also noticed you added the line: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/revserver /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/revserver ## PD 20101020 added I don't believe this is required as long as revserver is at the toplevel inside the CGI-Executables folder. The existing: ScriptAliasMatch ^/cgi-bin/((?!(?i:webobjects)).*$) /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/$1 should handle it. I chose to put the data, extensions, and handlers folders in /opt/revserver as per one of the options in the readme.txt but i'm sure the other 2 methods would work just fine. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.comwrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote: I managed to replicate your problem here on my mac os x, am trying to solve it. Wow. Thanks Andre! That's huge! I am good at breaking things, specially my computers! Phil -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev Server and EC2
Has anyone tried installing RevServer on an AWS EC2 instance? -- == er...@sisyph.us http://sisyph.us (530) 213-ERIK http://twitter.com/eriks (530) 213-3745 http://www.linkedin.com/in/erikschwartz == ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:
Well over here in France, I inquired about reparing my 5 years old G5 which motherboard now works only with a hair dryer heating up... due to a kind of defective conception... answer from apple was (i won't comment on how I felt!) beyond 5 years, nothing can be done, and computers are not meant to last longer !!! I looked at my first apple SE/30 still running from nearly 30 years now.. and I thought whouaou they changed something in their mind!!! And I thought, ok guys, I will no more express the idea that apple = top quality from now on... so now, apple is just a commodity like other brand, same hat.. I think I'm ready for Linux now!!! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-tp3004376p3005606.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
put input type=file class=upload name=fileX[]
This line allows one to search their hard-drive for a file to upload to a server. Now I just need the magic code to process and submit the information for the upload to the On-Rev server. Anyone have experience using this method? Thanks, Rick ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:
Le 21 oct. 2010 à 15:42, Robert Mann a écrit : Well over here in France, I inquired about reparing my 5 years old G5 which motherboard now works only with a hair dryer heating up... due to a kind of defective conception... answer from apple was (i won't comment on how I felt!) beyond 5 years, nothing can be done, and computers are not meant to last longer !!! I looked at my first apple SE/30 still running from nearly 30 years now.. and I thought whouaou they changed something in their mind!!! And I thought, ok guys, I will no more express the idea that apple = top quality from now on... so now, apple is just a commodity like other brand, same hat.. I think I'm ready for Linux now!!! But Linux doesn't sell computers ! Couldn't resist :) Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:
Thierry wrote: Le 21 oct. 2010 à 15:42, Robert Mann a écrit : Well over here in France, I inquired about reparing my 5 years old G5 which motherboard now works only with a hair dryer heating up... due to a kind of defective conception... answer from apple was (i won't comment on how I felt!) beyond 5 years, nothing can be done, and computers are not meant to last longer !!! I looked at my first apple SE/30 still running from nearly 30 years now.. and I thought whouaou they changed something in their mind!!! And I thought, ok guys, I will no more express the idea that apple = top quality from now on... so now, apple is just a commodity like other brand, same hat.. I think I'm ready for Linux now!!! But Linux doesn't sell computers ! No, but System 76 and ZaReason do - exclusively Ubuntu pre-installed: http://www.system76.com/ http://zareason.com And check this out: if you send a self-addressed stamped envelop to the good folks at System 76 they'll send you a package of several Powered by Ubuntu stickers to replace your Made for Windows sticker, and some Ubuntu-logo Special key stickers to cover the Win logo on your keyboard: http://www.system76.com/article_info.php?articles_id=9 While the System 76 office is in Colorado (where MetaCard was born) they have affiliates you can send your request to in more than a dozen countries worldwide, so you can get your Powered by Ubuntu stickers easily from anywhere in the world. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can. I think they will end up shooting themselves in the bottom if they do this; sooner or later end-users will work out that a PC for half the price, running some sort of easily installable desktop Linux (Mint?) at no price at all looks better than an OS tied to hardware tied to dictatorial control about what you can and cannot do with the thing! Maybe. The research of Nils Bejerot, Stanley Milgram, and others portray a complexity in human nature that may be too multidimensional for such rational optimism. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revServer installation issues
On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Phil Davis wrote: On 10/20/10 4:57 PM, Devin Asay wrote: Phil, It seems clear that the config file isn't quite right, and that the revServer engine isn't being launched. Where are your revServer files installed, /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables I copied all the files from the 'revserver' folder into the 'CGI-Executables' folder - without the enclosing 'revserver' folder. ... and can you post the mods you made to your httpd.conf file? My mods were applied to the /private/etc/apache2/httpd.conf file, and each changed line has a '## PD 201010xx' tag on the end of it. First, for the record: DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/Documents Note - I tried adding some directives in an .htaccess file inside this directory but since removed the file. --- Now the first set of changes - Directory /Library/WebServer/Documents AddHandler irev-script .irev ## PD 20101018 added Action irev-script /cgi-bin/revserver ## PD 20101018 added Phil, I had to do it this way: Action irev-script /cgi-bin/revserver/revserver Because I had moved the entire revserver folder into cgi-bin (well, really CGI-Executables.) Until I did I was having similar problems to yours. In other words the Action had to point to the executable file, not just the enclosing folder. I'm more a blunder-around-in-the-dark guy when it comes to this stuff, so it's probably just an accident that I got it to work. :-) Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: MetaCard and LiveCode externals WAS: Re: [ANN]BvG Docu 1.7
Klaus- Thursday, October 21, 2010, 3:16:42 AM, you wrote: Hmm, this is pretty straightforward! :-) Thanks for the (lack of) sanity check. I had done something similar and for some reason it didn't work. Now it does. Not sure why, but at least now I can verify that the documentation stack does indeed work well with metacard. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev File Browser Upload Dialog
On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: Andre, I'm just a little surprised that with as powerful as Rev is, we are still forced to use the older solutions. Thanks for the clarification anyway. Rick I am not sure what you mean by 'older solutions'. RevServer is bound by the features and functions of browsers and the standards that they follow. The newest standards are HTML5, CSS3, etc. This is how browsers operate. Microsoft has done the experiment of deviating from such standards, teaching us that this is not a good long term strategy. On the desktop app/exe side, programmers are free to create their own protocols, interfaces, and functions. In that case, the marketplace will choose the 'winners'. Jim Ault Las Vegas On Oct 20, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Rick, There is no way around this. RevServer is not like the desktop engine, there is no GUI. Actually the whole web is like this, you communicate using stateless transactions exchanging what is basically text. What you do is send a form to the browser with the correct encoding and inputs and then you decode back this form. check out a little document on the web called HTTP made really easy to understand more about the underlining protocol and then check out w3schools website on HTML, CSS and Javascript. With the clear picture in mind, check out the MVC paradigm which is the one that maps better to RevServer with HTML/CSS/JS being the View and RevServer, the controller On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Rick Harrison harri...@all-auctions.com wrote: Hi Matthias, This is an interesting solution. It uses a combination of javascript, irev, etc.. I installed the code, and it doesn't want to work just yet. It's telling me that the form isn't supported. Looks like it will only work with a multi-part form? I'll make one and try it again. Any more documentation on this solution? Anything solution using pure irev or that's a little more simple out there? Thanks, Rick ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev File Browser Upload Dialog
Hi Jim, All I meant was that RevServer is the relatively new kid on the block, and I had hoped that it had the capability within it without relying on externals code such as java-script to get the job done in an easier way. I understand that it is bound by browser protocols, and that it needs to operate in accordance with the standards. Rick On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Jim Ault wrote: Rick I am not sure what you mean by 'older solutions'. RevServer is bound by the features and functions of browsers and the standards that they follow. The newest standards are HTML5, CSS3, etc. This is how browsers operate. Microsoft has done the experiment of deviating from such standards, teaching us that this is not a good long term strategy. On the desktop app/exe side, programmers are free to create their own protocols, interfaces, and functions. In that case, the marketplace will choose the 'winners'. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev File Browser Upload Dialog
Rick Harrison wrote: All I meant was that RevServer is the relatively new kid on the block, and I had hoped that it had the capability within it without relying on externals code such as java-script to get the job done in an easier way. But in this case you're looking for oranges in an apple barrel: RevServer runs on the server. It can do a lot there, and many very interesting apps can be written natively in LiveCode without anything else at all. That is, to the extent that the server side contributes to a client-server application. That leaves the client side to be addressed, where your question was about the user interface for selecting a file. On the client we have no choice: the only scripting engine built into browsers is JavaScript. That's it. The good thing about that is you don't need to spend a lot of time deciding which language to use to make your client-side UIs, since you have no choice in the matter at all. :) I suppose you could use the RevWeb plugin, but for all but a fairly limited subset of sites in which you have an unusually committed audience, downloading any plugin is a non-starter. Earlier you found the input object to provide that for the user: input type=file class=upload name=fileX[] Use that in an HTML form and you're good to go. Here's the relevant part of the HTML source from the page I use at my site for uploading files: form enctype=multipart/form-data action=/cgi-t/mydropbox.cgi method=post Send this file: input type=file name=userfile input type=submit value=Send File input type=hidden name=email value=drop...@fourthworld.com /form Now you're left with the server side, where the uploaded data will come in as part of a multi-part form. I believe the code for parsing that from the incoming data stream so you can write it to disk has already been provided by Mattias, in RevServer-ready LiveCode: http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2010-October/147067.html So now you have both the client and the server side parts you need. Nothing left but to glue them together and enjoy. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
Is is possible with iOS apps to require registration? I would hate to think that Apple should have my customer information but not be allowed to know who my customers are, or not. How does that work with iOS? It's hard to imagine they could be so Draconian. We are just finalizing our iValentina for iPhone, which is going to be released for free. Our approach to iPhone has simply to be to give away a bit of software that doesn't directly touch on our profitability model but rather encourage users towards buying what we do sell. I think there is a simple question to ask - Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? If the answer is Apple does, but you don't, it is 100% contrary to where we've been going with software sales since the floppy days. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 10/21/2010 05:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can. I think they will end up shooting themselves in the bottom if they do this; sooner or later end-users will work out that a PC for half the price, running some sort of easily installable desktop Linux (Mint?) at no price at all looks better than an OS tied to hardware tied to dictatorial control about what you can and cannot do with the thing! Maybe. The research of Nils Bejerot, Stanley Milgram, and others portray a complexity in human nature that may be too multidimensional for such rational optimism. ;) Aah . . . Stanley Milgram; what a guy! I did a year's basic Psychology at university too; several of my firends thought it would be fun to wire the Prof. up to a Milgram device and do things for real . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 10/21/2010 07:16 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Is is possible with iOS apps to require registration? I would hate to think that Apple should have my customer information but not be allowed to know who my customers are, or not. How does that work with iOS? It's hard to imagine they could be so Draconian. We are just finalizing our iValentina for iPhone, which is going to be released for free. Our approach to iPhone has simply to be to give away a bit of software that doesn't directly touch on our profitability model but rather encourage users towards buying what we do sell. I think there is a simple question to ask - Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? If the answer is Apple does, but you don't, it is 100% contrary to where we've been going with software sales since the floppy days. yes; this is monkey business; if I have worked my bottom off on a piece of software I am hardly keen to allow somebody else either access to or ownership of my user database; as, certainly, they will be using that information for their own ends rather than mine. When my Devawriter Pro is, finally, released, you will have to come to me to get it, and I will keep your details close to my chest so that I can fool you into buying more of my stuff rather than letting Apple, Snapple or Frapple peddle their stuff to you. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
XMLRPC question
Hi All,
Apologies in advance if something along these lines has already been raised
on the mailing list having just joined the list at the suggestion of
runrev support.
I did try via the forums and looking around the wider net for some
information, but have drawn blanks.
Please see below the cruxt of the question/problem that I posted to the
forums.
Thanks in advance for any guidance, advice, pointers, etc.
Regards,
Leland
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From the forums:
I have an application that I'm trying to prototype that makes extensive use
of XMLRPC, including advanced data structures (such as arrays/array-refs,
hashes/hashrefs, and even arrays with embedded hashes which themselves may
contain additional arrays with further embedded hashes etc.)
I can manage to do just about any manipulation that I need to do for XMLRPC
in Perl, but I'm finding the revXMLRPC functions to be very cumbersome with
unclear documentation and almost no working examples available that I've
been able to find. To be honest, I'm not even sure of the revXMLRPC
functions even de-serialise the encapsulated XML data to return standard
data structures, or if I then have to use additional functions from revXML
to do that.
Perl, of course, contains a number of various libraries to work with XMLRPC
and simply deserialises the data to return a data structure with which I can
work.
Given that LiveCode/Revolution is toted as less coding, and more
productive, I'm at a loss to find an equivalent to the types of things that
I'm trying to do here.
For example, with just a few lines in Perl, I can use (in this example) a
couple of XMLRPC calls to obtain a list of virtual machines from a cloud
provider, and the current data concerning those machines. (using the
Frontier::RPC library for this) .. example:
--- code ---
# other stuff snipped here to get to the nitty gritty
my %vms ; #empty hash to store the details of my VMs
# login to rpc server
my $rpc = Frontier::Client-new( url = $server_url );
my $key = $rpc-call('login',$username,$password);
# got my key now start calling various methods...
my $vm_list = $rpc-call('vm.list',$key);
# now iterate the vm.list and get the info for each vm and store it into a
local hash for manipulation
foreach my $vm (@{$vm_list}) {
my $vm_info = $rpc-call('vm_info',$key,$vm-{id});
# store the data in my %vms hash
$vms{$vm_info-{id}} = $vm_info ;
}
$rpc-close();
# now I can do whatever I like with the data...
# like iterate through the list and display some useful data...
foreach my $vm (keys %vms) {
print VM ID: $vms{$vm}-{id} -- Hostname: $vms{$vm}-{hostname} --
State: $vms{$vm}-{state}\n;
# get a list of interfaces in the VM:
print Interface List...\n;
foreach my $if (@{$vms{$vm}-{ifaces}}) {
print Interface ID: $if-{id} -- Speed: $if-{bandwidth} -- Status:
$if-{state}\n;
}
}
--- end code ---
I can't seem to find a reasonable way to do this in livecode/revolution
with the limited examples/documentation that I have available (and I have
hard-copies of the RunRev 4.0 user manual, and the 3.0 dictionaries volumes
1 and 2) -- Just wondering if there is a relatively straightforward way of
accomplishing the equivalent of the above in livecode as I cannot find any
suitable examples after spending hours searching the forums, and the wider
net...
Thanks in advance for any pointers, tips, or references that may be useful!
Regards,
L.
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Re: revServer installation issues
On 10/21/10 5:49 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: From your description, it sounds like the new directives aren't getting loaded at all. If you run: /usr/sbin/httpd -V |grep -i server_config_file does it show the correct config file is at -D SERVER_CONFIG_FILE=/private/etc/apache2/httpd.conf? Yes, that's what I get. And you're using the server document root not your Sites directory. Yep. Oh, and have you checked to make sure revserver is executable? This should NOT be the problem, if it were your browser should get an internal server error response, but doesn't hurt to confirm. Right. revserver permissions are 755. (rwxr-xr-x) Also noticed you added the line: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/revserver /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/revserver ## PD 20101020 added I don't believe this is required as long as revserver is at the toplevel inside the CGI-Executables folder. The existing: ScriptAliasMatch ^/cgi-bin/((?!(?i:webobjects)).*$) /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/$1 should handle it. Thanks. I chose to put the data, extensions, and handlers folders in /opt/revserver as per one of the options in the readme.txt but i'm sure the other 2 methods would work just fine. OK. Thanks for the feedback Mike. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Andre Garziaan...@andregarzia.comwrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Phil Davisrev...@pdslabs.net wrote: I managed to replicate your problem here on my mac os x, am trying to solve it. Wow. Thanks Andre! That's huge! I am good at breaking things, specially my computers! Phil -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revServer installation issues
On 10/21/10 7:59 AM, Devin Asay wrote: On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Phil Davis wrote: On 10/20/10 4:57 PM, Devin Asay wrote: Phil, I had to do it this way: Action irev-script /cgi-bin/revserver/revserver Because I had moved the entire revserver folder into cgi-bin (well, really CGI-Executables.) Until I did I was having similar problems to yours. In other words the Action had to point to the executable file, not just the enclosing folder. I did try that at one point (and changed the appropriate paths in the config file) but it didn't work there either, so I went back to the current placement. Still, it won't hurt anything to look at that approach again. I'm more a blunder-around-in-the-dark guy when it comes to this stuff, so it's probably just an accident that I got it to work. :-) A man after my own heart! ;-) Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Developers chime in on the implications of the Mac App Store: Paul Kafasis, CEO of Rogue Amoeba, a developer of Mac audio software, expressed some reservations about the terms. Thirty percent isn't particularly reasonable, but it's not unexpected either, he said in an e-mail. For access to almost 50 million Mac users, with just a couple clicks, it's at least in the ballpark. That said, with direct downloads, most developers pay 3-10% in credit card fees and processing. 30% is quite a bit more, and for what exactly? At the moment, Rogue Amoeba is waiting to see how the Mac App Store is received. It's certainly something we're looking at, but the restrictions and guidelines they've published are onerous at best, said Kafasis. Ambrosia Software president Andrew Welch voiced similar concerns. Ambrosia is certainly interested in the idea of a centralized Mac application store, he said in an e-mail. However the restrictions imposed by Apple on the applications may make it impossible for a number of our applications to be submitted. http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/mac/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=227900419 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Lynn Fredricks wrote: I think there is a simple question to ask - Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:
I feel your pain. However the G5 is a bit of a unique circumstance. Apple hooked up with IBM to manufacture G5 processors, with the understanding (indeed the written agreement) that IBM would and could keep up with the advances in processor technology. They did not. They never produced a portable G5 chip that used less power, and Intel was leaps and bounds ahead when Apple finally said, Enough! We have been cross developing OS X for Intel processors in secret, and now we are going to make the switch. Of course, IBM didn't take that too well, and now do not supply Apple with any G5 chips. The cords are severed. So the real villain in your circumstance is IBM, not Apple. As usual, the details are more complex than the summary. :-) And remember that manufacturers are only required to support a product for 5 years from the date of manufacture by law. It isn't as though Apple cheated you. You may feel like you have a beef because past Apple machines were so incredibly reliable, but isn't that really an unexpected bonus? If I gave you $100 and a pat on the back for 7 days straight, would you be justified in being upset or disappointed if on the 8th day I gave you nothing? Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Robert Mann wrote: Well over here in France, I inquired about reparing my 5 years old G5 which motherboard now works only with a hair dryer heating up... due to a kind of defective conception... answer from apple was (i won't comment on how I felt!) beyond 5 years, nothing can be done, and computers are not meant to last longer !!! I looked at my first apple SE/30 still running from nearly 30 years now.. and I thought whouaou they changed something in their mind!!! And I thought, ok guys, I will no more express the idea that apple = top quality from now on... so now, apple is just a commodity like other brand, same hat.. I think I'm ready for Linux now!!! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-tp3004376p3005606.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Ambrosia Software president Andrew Welch voiced similar concerns. Ambrosia is certainly interested in the idea of a centralized Mac application store, With VersionTracker gone, folded into download.com, download.com is abysmal as far as I am concerned, there isn't much left. Apple is stepping in at the right time - for them. What concerns me most (in addition to not getting customer information!), is the consumer of apps/software will probably be expecting iPhone/iPad prices. When I read a comment that $1.99 is way too much for something some guy worked really hard at, I shake my head. This sort of expectation might be carried over - after all, to the consumer it's just like the iTunes store - to the App Store. You have to sell an awful lot of $1.99 apps to make rent money every month. sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your sales. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Maybe I have missed something, but is anyone saying that this will be the ONLY WAY to get apps for Mac? How are they going to pull that off?? They would have to abolish all I/O ports for drives, usb devices and cd/dvd drives. Is this really where we think Apple is going to go? I rather see this as a way that developers will be able to deliver apps made for devices like the iPad to the desktop too. Not a way for Apple to try to force everyone to sell apps through the iStore, which of course everyone can see would kill Apple development of enterprise apps. Bob On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Lynn Fredricks wrote: I went to find out, and they provide a link, but apparently the Mac Dev Program now requires a fee like the iOS program, so you need to give them money in order to find out if it's worth giving them money. I gotta say that fills me with a certain envy: I wish I had what it takes to get people to pay me before they're able to find out whether they want to pay me. ;) Yes, indeed! Some rumor has been going around that apps cant support auto updating or serial key type licensing. Can't say. In order to download the document you have to agree to an NDA. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill myself. I imagine Gruber will get a free pass on discussing this as he has with other NDA'd things in the past, and apparently TUAW has risked posting some tidbits (thanks Scott) like this prohibition: - It require license keys or implements its own copy protection In that one line the cost of making apps for the App Store goes up for all multi-platform developers. Most of us have reg schemes that currently work on all platforms, but with the App Store, we'll need to have two different methods of product security: one just for Apple and another for the entire rest of the world. This prohibition is just weird: - It has metadata that mentions the name of any other computer platform Are they that scared of Ubuntu? (Dear Steve: It's almost Halloween; U-Booh!-ntu!) :) Or are we not allowed to let our customers know that our app being cross-platform is a valuable feature for use in their workplace? What exactly constitutes metadata in that context? This one may require RunRev to step up their game on a few details (author's own comment included): - It changes the native user interface elements or behaviors of Mac OS X (Well, that just wiped out 90% of the best Mac apps in a single, flaming fist punch.) Yep. Looks like staying in the Mac game is about to get more expensive for everyone, from tool makers to developers and to some degree consumers as that 30% tax starts to get spread around. I feel bad for game developers; it's going to be hard for them to survive outside of the App Store once the momentum takes hold. Fortunately most of my clients are in markets too vertical for the App Store to make much of a difference, and our revenues tend to reflect general market share percentages anyway (m...@5.7%) so they can afford to put off those expenses for a while. Is is possible with iOS apps to require registration? I would hate to think that Apple should have my customer information but not be allowed to know who my customers are, or not. How does that work with iOS? It's hard to imagine they could be so Draconian. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 05:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can. I think they will end up shooting themselves in the bottom if they do this; sooner or later end-users will work out that a PC for half the price, running some sort of easily installable desktop Linux (Mint?) at no price at all looks better than an OS tied to hardware tied to dictatorial control about what you can and cannot do with the thing! Maybe. The research of Nils Bejerot, Stanley Milgram, and others portray a complexity in human nature that may be too multidimensional for such rational optimism. ;) Aah . . . Stanley Milgram; what a guy! I did a year's basic Psychology at university too; several of my firends thought it would be fun to wire the Prof. up to a Milgram device and do things for real . . . :) A little-known factoid, even further off-topic: one of Milgram's youngest and most vulnerable undergraduate research subjects was extremely damaged by Milgram's emotionally abusive experiments. He grew up to become... ... the Unibomber. Karma. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham ppbrig...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 10/21/2010 08:51 PM, Jim Sims wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Ambrosia Software president Andrew Welch voiced similar concerns. Ambrosia is certainly interested in the idea of a centralized Mac application store, With VersionTracker gone, folded into download.com, download.com is abysmal as far as I am concerned, there isn't much left. Apple is stepping in at the right time - for them. What concerns me most (in addition to not getting customer information!), is the consumer of apps/software will probably be expecting iPhone/iPad prices. When I read a comment that $1.99 is way too much for something some guy worked really hard at, I shake my head. This sort of expectation might be carried over - after all, to the consumer it's just like the iTunes store - to the App Store. You have to sell an awful lot of $1.99 apps to make rent money every month. sims Well; $1.99 might be all an also ran app is worth; if one does a cursory search on MacUpdate one finds all awful lot of also rans and an awful lot of apps that do pretty much the same thing; therefore if everybody charges $1.99 you are in a tight corner if your rent money depends on that. I would suppose that the 'trick' (which is no trick at all) is make an app that is unique and fills a niche, and the charge more than $1.99 for it. Now if some swack lot, such as Apple, are telling you that you can only charge $1.99, they are skimming the cream off that, and they get their sweaty paws on details of all who buy your 'thang' it is time to tell them to boil their heads and market it your way. AND, should that mean that, opwing to some sort of berlin Wall' erected by Jobs Co., you are unable to push your product for Macintosh; dump Macintosh (only about 10-15% of the market) and push at Windows (a big, big chunk of the market, like it or not) and at Linux (getting bigger, especially if Apple turns into North Korea number 2). --- Of course, Loony Richmond is still whispering 'RISC OS' at the non-receptive ears of RunRev; think about it; RISC OS is, no; IS, about 75% of all embedded systems!!! --- While I'm on a roll: anybody out there with an Iyonix, RISC Station or even late-model Archimedes they will send me for the postage . . . Please ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Wait just a daggum minute. I thought that Apple was building advertising into the app model. So how are advertisers going to get the information? Are we thinking that ads in the iDevices will not be able to link to a website? How about a splash screen on your app asking users to register with their email address? There has to be ways to get around this. Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your sales. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
The thing about the Ambrosia apps is that they all need to patch the system in order to work. It ought to still be possible to make the apps work in a way that on first launch they then do the patch, and maybe require a restart. But in general I thing the app store would be geared towards apps that are entirely standalone. I think that LiveCode standalones ought to come under that ok. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
crop command
LiveCode graphics gurus: I have to process a few thousand photograph files through a simple set of manipulations that scales, translates and rotates the images to a common standard, and then crops them to a fixed size. The code is simple, except apparently the crop command doesn't work on file-based image objects. How do I manipulate the file-based image to allow for the crop command? -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 10/21/2010 09:00 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 05:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can. I think they will end up shooting themselves in the bottom if they do this; sooner or later end-users will work out that a PC for half the price, running some sort of easily installable desktop Linux (Mint?) at no price at all looks better than an OS tied to hardware tied to dictatorial control about what you can and cannot do with the thing! Maybe. The research of Nils Bejerot, Stanley Milgram, and others portray a complexity in human nature that may be too multidimensional for such rational optimism. ;) Aah . . . Stanley Milgram; what a guy! I did a year's basic Psychology at university too; several of my firends thought it would be fun to wire the Prof. up to a Milgram device and do things for real . . . :) A little-known factoid, even further off-topic: one of Milgram's youngest and most vulnerable undergraduate research subjects was extremely damaged by Milgram's emotionally abusive experiments. He grew up to become... ... the Unibomber. Karma. -- Peter One wonders quite why Stanley Milgram was able to get away with that sort of experiment in the first place? And just to make things more awkward; one of the topics I had to think about as an Undergraduate Philosophy student at Durham in 1983 was whether it was ethical to use the published findings of Dr Mengele's experiments in the Nazi death-camps for future work. What is interesting is that certain biologists and medics did use his findings; their argument being that as those results would, obviously, be unobtainable in today's ethical (??) environment, it was acceptable to use them if they could be used to prevent further human suffering. Being a naughty chap I wrote to a friend of my history teacher, a woman who had had experiments performed on her by Mengele when she was a child (and, unusually, she survived) to find out her opinion. She stated that they should be used as in some tiny way this made up for all the suffering those poor people had to go through. -- I wonder how Steve Jobs would like to run his focus groups . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Richmond wrote: market it your way Sure, that's real easy to do. f]pfff. Good luck in that - getting lots of people to see your product is not easy. At least when VersionTracker and MacUpdate were around you had a couple of central places where users would look for apps. You could also play the Mac web sites and blogs to get awareness and exposure every time you released a new version. I have a hard time believing that lots of people are drooling at their chances of building a competitor store to go against the AppStore. sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: crop command
On 10/21/2010 09:11 PM, Vokey, John wrote: LiveCode graphics gurus: I have to process a few thousand photograph files through a simple set of manipulations that scales, translates and rotates the images to a common standard, and then crops them to a fixed size. The code is simple, except apparently the crop command doesn't work on file-based image objects. How do I manipulate the file-based image to allow for the crop command? -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. Seehttp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html You probably have to import each image into a stack, crop the thing, and export it again. Yup; I know that doesn't really answer your question as you probably want to avoid that import-export dance, however I do think that that is probably unavoidable. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Andre Garzia an...@... writes: Folks, check out: http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/ http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/Will our LiveCode apps be featured there? So far we do not know since the thing was announced 10 minutes ago, but one can only hope! Andre I agree with other comments here that there is a risk that LiveCode Applications may be excluded from the Mac App Store either explicitly by a future requirement that only applications developed with XCode be included or implicitly by the requirement that a third party application's interface elements or behaviours be identical to those created by XCode. To prevent the second scenario from excluding an application a response would be for RunRev to ensure that LiveCode's interface elements for Mac OS standalones have feature parity with Mac OS controls. This does not prevent the first scenario though. I wonder if the response to a possible requirement for Xcode developed applications should be to establishing a LiveCode App store where Livecode Developers could showcase and sell their applications. This would leave you free to use the registration and licencing system, third party installers that you want but still have the advantages offered by a congregated application store that would help you market your work. Martin Koob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 10/21/2010 09:15 PM, Jim Sims wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Richmond wrote: market it your way Sure, that's real easy to do. f]pfff. Good luck in that - getting lots of people to see your product is not easy. At least when VersionTracker and MacUpdate MacUpdate is still functioning perfectly OK: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/33042/devawriter were around you had a couple of central places where users would look for apps. You could also play the Mac web sites and blogs to get awareness and exposure every time you released a new version. I have a hard time believing that lots of people are drooling at their chances of building a competitor store to go against the AppStore. sims Facebook . . . other social networking sites . . . ? Yahoo groups . . . Specialist academic Blogs and Lists (e.g. I have plugged my Devawriter on the Linguist List) Mail-bombing (e.g. I have written to the head of about 50 Sanskrit departments) YouTube (nothing like a quick movie of your thing strutting its funky stuff) Twitter - The days of being depndent on only 1 or 2 channels of information are long gone. sincerely, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your sales. How would it be possible for a developer to know if someone who calls is actually eligible for technical support? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your sales. How would it be possible for a developer to know if someone who calls is actually eligible for technical support? I am quite a novice in the whole iApp arena, but barring any methods of cracking I haven't heard about yet, apps are more or less tied to a device -- you cannot arbitrarily move apps from one device to another, and you cannot distribute apps outside the app store (aside from testing and limited distribution apps). So presumably, the someone wanting help legitimately obtained your app. Your question does raise another question: what about folks who deliver paid apps with no restrictions on the devices they can run on? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes well for Rev. On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: I think that LiveCode standalones ought to come under that ok. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes well for Rev. Rev is in Java? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your sales. How would it be possible for a developer to know if someone who calls is actually eligible for technical support? You could request the user to fill out registration info and have the program email or ftp the data to you. This may be required for free tech support. Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Progress bar with lock?
I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear fields, reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. During this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during this process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the screen is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is locked? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Progress-bar-with-lock-tp3006132p3006132.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Progress bar with lock?
Hi Charles, No, you can't do this. However, you can show a screenshot of the card with a progress bad on top. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed. On 21 okt 2010, at 21:14, charles61 wrote: I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear fields, reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. During this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during this process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the screen is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is locked? -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Progress bar with lock?
Recently, charles61 wrote: I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear fields, reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. During this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during this process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the screen is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is locked? AFAIK, there's no way to do this. I could have sworn screen locking used to affect whatever stack was active at the time it was called, but currently it affects all stacks. You might consider throwing up a text message One moment please... while the cleanup happens, but I don't believe there's any way to have just a portion of the screen locked. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Progress bar with lock?
Hi Mark! That is a great idea! But will the screenshot show the progress bar filling up or is it just a static screenshot? Charles Szasz csz...@mac.com On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Mark Schonewille-3 [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: Hi Charles, No, you can't do this. However, you can show a screenshot of the card with a progress bad on top. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed. On 21 okt 2010, at 21:14, charles61 wrote: I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear fields, reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. During this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during this process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the screen is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is locked? -- ___ use-revolution mailing list [hidden email] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Progress-bar-with-lock-tp3006132p3006138.html To unsubscribe from Progress bar with lock?, click here. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Progress-bar-with-lock-tp3006132p3006144.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: XMLRPC question
Welcome to the list, Leland.
I don't know the exact differences, but Key Ray has created an alternative
library for XML in Revolution - many users say it's a better implementation.
http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm
sqb
On 21 October 2010 09:29, Leland Vandervort lel...@dev.discpro.org wrote:
Hi All,
Apologies in advance if something along these lines has already been raised
on the mailing list ‹ having just joined the list at the suggestion of
runrev support.
I did try via the forums and looking around the wider net for some
information, but have drawn blanks.
Please see below the cruxt of the question/problem that I posted to the
forums.
Thanks in advance for any guidance, advice, pointers, etc.
Regards,
Leland
--
From the forums:
I have an application that I'm trying to prototype that makes extensive use
of XMLRPC, including advanced data structures (such as arrays/array-refs,
hashes/hashrefs, and even arrays with embedded hashes which themselves may
contain additional arrays with further embedded hashes etc.)
I can manage to do just about any manipulation that I need to do for XMLRPC
in Perl, but I'm finding the revXMLRPC functions to be very cumbersome with
unclear documentation and almost no working examples available that I've
been able to find. To be honest, I'm not even sure of the revXMLRPC
functions even de-serialise the encapsulated XML data to return standard
data structures, or if I then have to use additional functions from revXML
to do that.
Perl, of course, contains a number of various libraries to work with XMLRPC
and simply deserialises the data to return a data structure with which I
can
work.
Given that LiveCode/Revolution is toted as less coding, and more
productive, I'm at a loss to find an equivalent to the types of things
that
I'm trying to do here.
For example, with just a few lines in Perl, I can use (in this example) a
couple of XMLRPC calls to obtain a list of virtual machines from a cloud
provider, and the current data concerning those machines. (using the
Frontier::RPC library for this) .. example:
--- code ---
# other stuff snipped here to get to the nitty gritty
my %vms ; #empty hash to store the details of my VMs
# login to rpc server
my $rpc = Frontier::Client-new( url = $server_url );
my $key = $rpc-call('login',$username,$password);
# got my key now start calling various methods...
my $vm_list = $rpc-call('vm.list',$key);
# now iterate the vm.list and get the info for each vm and store it into a
local hash for manipulation
foreach my $vm (@{$vm_list}) {
my $vm_info = $rpc-call('vm_info',$key,$vm-{id});
# store the data in my %vms hash
$vms{$vm_info-{id}} = $vm_info ;
}
$rpc-close();
# now I can do whatever I like with the data...
# like iterate through the list and display some useful data...
foreach my $vm (keys %vms) {
print VM ID: $vms{$vm}-{id} -- Hostname: $vms{$vm}-{hostname} --
State: $vms{$vm}-{state}\n;
# get a list of interfaces in the VM:
print Interface List...\n;
foreach my $if (@{$vms{$vm}-{ifaces}}) {
print Interface ID: $if-{id} -- Speed: $if-{bandwidth} -- Status:
$if-{state}\n;
}
}
--- end code ---
I can't seem to find a reasonable way to do this in livecode/revolution
with the limited examples/documentation that I have available (and I have
hard-copies of the RunRev 4.0 user manual, and the 3.0 dictionaries volumes
1 and 2) -- Just wondering if there is a relatively straightforward way of
accomplishing the equivalent of the above in livecode as I cannot find any
suitable examples after spending hours searching the forums, and the wider
net...
Thanks in advance for any pointers, tips, or references that may be useful!
Regards,
L.
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Re: Progress bar with lock?
Scott, That is a good idea! It seems easy to do and would serve the same purpose. Thanks very much! Charles Szasz csz...@mac.com On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Scott Rossi [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: Recently, charles61 wrote: I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear fields, reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. During this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during this process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the screen is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is locked? AFAIK, there's no way to do this. I could have sworn screen locking used to affect whatever stack was active at the time it was called, but currently it affects all stacks. You might consider throwing up a text message One moment please... while the cleanup happens, but I don't believe there's any way to have just a portion of the screen locked. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list [hidden email] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Progress-bar-with-lock-tp3006132p3006141.html To unsubscribe from Progress bar with lock?, click here. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Progress-bar-with-lock-tp3006132p3006156.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: crop command
Regardless of the method of acquiring, the data has to be put in RAM for any kind of manipulation, including cropping or resizing. sqb On 21 October 2010 11:11, Vokey, John vo...@uleth.ca wrote: LiveCode graphics gurus: I have to process a few thousand photograph files through a simple set of manipulations that scales, translates and rotates the images to a common standard, and then crops them to a fixed size. The code is simple, except apparently the crop command doesn't work on file-based image objects. How do I manipulate the file-based image to allow for the crop command? -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: crop command
John, if you have a file based image you have to detach it from the file. The way I do it is to issue - set the imageData of image myImage to the imageData of image myImage - though it might seem paradoxical it effectively makes it a Rev image that you can crop etc. Of course you would then have to store the path and save the image afterwards. Or you could use -- import paint from file pathToImage --- this would not be tied to the original as in - set the filename of image myImage to pathToMyImage - regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/crop-command-tp3006042p3006170.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Bob Sneidar wrote: Maybe I have missed something, but is anyone saying that this will be the ONLY WAY to get apps for Mac? Not currently. In fact, Mr. Jobs went out of his way to note that it won't be the only way to get apps. But once traction gets hold and the marketing machine ramps up, it'll be clearly known as the only SAFE place to get apps, the only APPROVED place to get apps, the only DESIRABLE place to get apps. After that meme takes hold, it won't need to be mandatory. Other alternatives will just fade away. Buying apps from a web site, which has been just fine as the conduit between loyal Mac users and loyal Max developers for more than a decade, will be seen as some sort of ghetto experience. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
I think Java apps are not self-contained and require a separate runtime on the machine. On 21 October 2010 11:44, Chipp Walters ch...@altuit.com wrote: I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes well for Rev. On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: I think that LiveCode standalones ought to come under that ok. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 85, Issue 44
On 2010-10-21, at 1:34 PM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Regardless of the method of acquiring, the data has to be put in RAM for any kind of manipulation, including cropping or resizing. sqb Of course, but that is not the issue: it is *only* the crop command that fails on file-sourced image objects. For example, if you create an image object and use the paint tools to create an image, it can be cropped with the crop command, but if the image object is sourced to a file, the crop command returns an error. On 21 October 2010 11:11, Vokey, John vo...@uleth.ca wrote: LiveCode graphics gurus: I have to process a few thousand photograph files through a simple set of manipulations that scales, translates and rotates the images to a common standard, and then crops them to a fixed size. The code is simple, except apparently the crop command doesn't work on file-based image objects. How do I manipulate the file-based image to allow for the crop command? -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes well for rev. I think that might be because Java for Mac is deprecated now. As far as I read, Apple will no longer deliver the VM with Mac OsX (Desktop edition) but only with OsX Server. http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#releasenotes/Java/JavaSnowLeopardUpdate3LeopardUpdate8RN/NewandNoteworthy/NewandNoteworthy.html#/apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010380-CH4-DontLinkElementID_2 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Progress bar with lock?
Here's a question: Would a window created by an external still update while the screen is locked? If so, then I think we need a progress bar external. Scott made some really nice controls a while back. How about if Scott made a standalone that could be called from Runtime Rev as an external. Is that even possible? Otherwise, a real compiled c++ or java external would have to be made. I bet a lot of people here on the list would pay for that. I know I would! I cannot code in c++ or java so I cannot do it. Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:14 PM, charles61 wrote: I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear fields, reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. During this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during this process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the screen is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is locked? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Progress-bar-with-lock-tp3006132p3006132.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: (no subject)
What in the world is this? I am afraid to click on a link when there is absolutely no explanation about what it is from an address I have never seen before. Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, thebilltay...@yahoo.com wrote: http://reguqaru.t35.com/don'tclickme ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Not really; there was an update to Java for mac OS 10.6 that was released today or yesterday the link to the french page is here: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL972?viewlocale=fr_FR Not that I am a java expert, I have never used it to my knowledge. But, well, I do the updating... Best, François Le 21 oct. 2010 à 22:04, Malte Brill a écrit : I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes well for rev. I think that might be because Java for Mac is deprecated now. As far as I read, Apple will no longer deliver the VM with Mac OsX (Desktop edition) but only with OsX Server. http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#releasenotes/Java/JavaSnowLeopardUpdate3LeopardUpdate8RN/NewandNoteworthy/NewandNoteworthy.html#/apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010380-CH4-DontLinkElementID_2 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: (no subject)
On 10/21/2010 11:18 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: What in the world is this? I am afraid to click on a link when there is absolutely no explanation about what it is from an address I have never seen before. Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, thebilltay...@yahoo.com wrote: http://reguqaru.t35.com/don'tclickme Those of us who live in the Linux world are not quite so frightened of this sort of thing. However that is a dud link and states The site in question was violating our TOS obviously something to do with tossers . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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garbage in, garbage out. This mail has gone directly to the Trash. However, I am sure the list mom will be interested by this post. Best François Le 21 oct. 2010 à 22:18, Bob Sneidar a écrit : What in the world is this? I am afraid to click on a link when there is absolutely no explanation about what it is from an address I have never seen before. Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, thebilltay...@yahoo.com wrote: http://reguqaru.t35.com/don'tclickme ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Forgive me, but this view of the future seems apocalyptic. I never read any of this in the book of Revelation. (WHOOPS! Reference to religion!!!) heh heh j/k You might be right, but it all hinges on whether or not I presently agree with you. Quote from the book of Me Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Bob Sneidar wrote: Maybe I have missed something, but is anyone saying that this will be the ONLY WAY to get apps for Mac? Not currently. In fact, Mr. Jobs went out of his way to note that it won't be the only way to get apps. But once traction gets hold and the marketing machine ramps up, it'll be clearly known as the only SAFE place to get apps, the only APPROVED place to get apps, the only DESIRABLE place to get apps. After that meme takes hold, it won't need to be mandatory. Other alternatives will just fade away. Buying apps from a web site, which has been just fine as the conduit between loyal Mac users and loyal Max developers for more than a decade, will be seen as some sort of ghetto experience. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Bob Sneidar wrote: What in the world is this? Our first spambot. Already blocked by the ISP (t35.com -- good work). Looks like we're officially in the big time now. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ ambassa...@fourthworld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Hi Francois: From the releasenotes to said update: Java Deprecation As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version of Java that is ported by Apple, and that ships with Mac OS X, is deprecated. This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at the same level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac OS X. The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained through the standard support cycles of those products. Cheers, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tabbing out of a text field
I am having a bit of a brain fart. How do I set a text field so that when I press the TAB key, it tabs to the next field rather than adding a Tab character to the text field? Thanks in advance Stewart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabbing out of a text field
You could trap the tabKey message. Craig Newman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
Maybe I have missed something, but is anyone saying that this will be the ONLY WAY to get apps for Mac? How are they going to pull that off?? They would have to abolish all I/O ports for drives, usb devices and cd/dvd drives. Is this really where we think Apple is going to go? I rather see this as a way that developers will be able to deliver apps made for devices like the iPad to the desktop too. Not a way for Apple to try to force everyone to sell apps through the iStore, which of course everyone can see would kill Apple development of enterprise apps. I don't want to polute people with more than they want to read, but Ive posted my initial feelings here: http://www.lynnfredricks.com/2010/10/21/mac-app-store-as-an-dangerous-unknow n/ The Mac App Store is a dangerous unknown. Apple doesn't have to rush eliminate other alternatives, but instead let the weight of presence in the OS and the direction of user opinion (like we saw with the Thoughts on Flash debaucle) move it step by step to an exclusive model and ownership of your customer relations. Maybe that's not the goal, but the Mac App Store is just the sort of tool you could use to accomplish that. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Apocalyptic? Not sure that's the right word, unless one's world revolves around Apple and what they will do. Consider it was mere months ago when Steve told us all, Netbooks aren't better than anything, they're just cheap laptops and yesterday he announces Apple's first netbook. Also from a popular Gadget blog: The same happened with video iPods and smartphones and tablets too. One day he trashes something... And the next day, that something is the best thing ever. That something being THEIR thing. Seriously, is it too far a stretch to picture Jobs on the stage in the not too distant future saying, Our customers tell us what a great and safe experience it is purchasing their software from the Mac AppStore. And now with over 1 million apps there, we think it's a great idea for everyone to use the AppStore to manage their software collections. Of course, if you really want to, you can install your own unapproved apps, but you should know it now voids our warranty as we cannot be responsible anymore for the safety of the Operating System or the hardware. Besides, you should always know that in our AppStore, 'There's an App for That!' Thanks for all the fantastic support on this and see you in the AppStore! Maybe Apocalyptic is the right word describing the experience-- for the developers. Especially the ones who depend on their direct customer relations to continue to promote their wares. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Forgive me, but this view of the future seems apocalyptic. alternatives will just fade away. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your sales. How would it be possible for a developer to know if someone who calls is actually eligible for technical support? Most software developers I work with have this to think about, plus the entire upgrade / upsell chain which requires that you know who your customers are - the exact data that Apple relies on for its own business. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
External newbie question
I have download the latest (v3?) externals lesson from runrev, and after having installed the iPhone dev toolkit (which included XCode), I have compiled the *solution* provided by runrev (op. sys. was Leopard). Everything worked fine, the stack was launched, but the external could not be called from script. This was with revStudio v. 4.0. There has been a thread on the list about plugins location. Could this be related? Do I have to put the external's stack in a special place? I have another question (which is unrelated but also concerns externals). There is a huge library of fortran sources at netlib http://www.netlib.org/ that is devoted to scientific computation. In theory, it is possible to put a fortran compiler into XCode, but as far I know, the parameters are not handled the same way in C and in Fortran (refetrence v.s. value). Can we get around this by using the @ keyword in the transcript calling code? Thanks in advance for your kind answers. Best, François ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Your analogy would work only if Apple had announced that if you bought another netbook other than an Apple netbook, it would void your iPad warranty. Hmmm... seems a little overstated, don't you think? Apple is of course, looking out for their own interests. Shafting the vast majority of app developers for the Mac is NOT in their best interests. There is no scenario I can envision, by which Apple would try to force development for their high end products into a closed system that only they had access to. It would be corporate suicide, and Steve, whatever else you think of him, is simply not that stupid. Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Apocalyptic? Not sure that's the right word, unless one's world revolves around Apple and what they will do. Consider it was mere months ago when Steve told us all, Netbooks aren't better than anything, they're just cheap laptops and yesterday he announces Apple's first netbook. Also from a popular Gadget blog: The same happened with video iPods and smartphones and tablets too. One day he trashes something... And the next day, that something is the best thing ever. That something being THEIR thing. Seriously, is it too far a stretch to picture Jobs on the stage in the not too distant future saying, Our customers tell us what a great and safe experience it is purchasing their software from the Mac AppStore. And now with over 1 million apps there, we think it's a great idea for everyone to use the AppStore to manage their software collections. Of course, if you really want to, you can install your own unapproved apps, but you should know it now voids our warranty as we cannot be responsible anymore for the safety of the Operating System or the hardware. Besides, you should always know that in our AppStore, 'There's an App for That!' Thanks for all the fantastic support on this and see you in the AppStore! Maybe Apocalyptic is the right word describing the experience-- for the developers. Especially the ones who depend on their direct customer relations to continue to promote their wares. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Forgive me, but this view of the future seems apocalyptic. alternatives will just fade away. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at the same level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac OS X. The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained through the standard support cycles of those products. I suspect this is another tremor caused in part by a change in ownership of Java. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
For your interest, the TUAW blog post some early reactions from developers to the coming of the Mac App store: http://www.tuaw.com/2010/10/21/developer-reactions-to-the-mac-app-store/ Much shorter, and authored by a pioneer of iPhone jailbreaking (that is, before there was an SDK and an App store), TUAW's own Erica Sadun: http://www.tuaw.com/2010/10/20/why-the-mac-app-store-rocks-for-developers/ The comparison of numbers is staggering. Best, François Le 21 oct. 2010 à 22:49, Chipp Walters a écrit : Apocalyptic? Not sure that's the right word, unless one's world revolves around Apple and what they will do. Consider it was mere months ago when Steve told us all, Netbooks aren't better than anything, they're just cheap laptops and yesterday he announces Apple's first netbook. Also from a popular Gadget blog: The same happened with video iPods and smartphones and tablets too. One day he trashes something... And the next day, that something is the best thing ever. That something being THEIR thing. Seriously, is it too far a stretch to picture Jobs on the stage in the not too distant future saying, Our customers tell us what a great and safe experience it is purchasing their software from the Mac AppStore. And now with over 1 million apps there, we think it's a great idea for everyone to use the AppStore to manage their software collections. Of course, if you really want to, you can install your own unapproved apps, but you should know it now voids our warranty as we cannot be responsible anymore for the safety of the Operating System or the hardware. Besides, you should always know that in our AppStore, 'There's an App for That!' Thanks for all the fantastic support on this and see you in the AppStore! Maybe Apocalyptic is the right word describing the experience-- for the developers. Especially the ones who depend on their direct customer relations to continue to promote their wares. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Forgive me, but this view of the future seems apocalyptic. alternatives will just fade away. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Progress bar with lock?
Else, instead of locking the screen, why don't you just hide the working window and popup a new stack containing your progress bar ? Best, Pierre Le 21 oct. 2010 à 21:19, Scott Rossi a écrit : Recently, charles61 wrote: I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear fields, reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. During this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during this process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the screen is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is locked? AFAIK, there's no way to do this. I could have sworn screen locking used to affect whatever stack was active at the time it was called, but currently it affects all stacks. You might consider throwing up a text message One moment please... while the cleanup happens, but I don't believe there's any way to have just a portion of the screen locked. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
A very interesting blog post about the Oracle v.s. Google lawsuit (hint: it revolves around Java ownership and its impact on android) http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/08/14/how-oracle-might-kill-googles-android-and-software-patents-all-at-once/ A word of warning: the author is an Apple fanboy and does not like google. However, his perspective is intellectually stimulating (well, at least for me) Best François Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:05, Lynn Fredricks a écrit : This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at the same level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac OS X. The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained through the standard support cycles of those products. I suspect this is another tremor caused in part by a change in ownership of Java. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revServer installation issues
Folks, This is FIXED!! Damn Phil, check out your http.conf for AllowOverride None. By default this comes set for the documents folder and for the cgi-bin folder. You need to change it to AllowOverride All and then you can place your .htaccess files and they will work. Just did it here. Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: XMLRPC question
Glad to see you here, Leland.
I hope somebody will address this, since I sent you here. :) Come on
guys, I bragged about you.
On 10/21/10 11:29 AM, Leland Vandervort wrote:
Hi All,
Apologies in advance if something along these lines has already been raised
on the mailing list ‹ having just joined the list at the suggestion of
runrev support.
I did try via the forums and looking around the wider net for some
information, but have drawn blanks.
Please see below the cruxt of the question/problem that I posted to the
forums.
Thanks in advance for any guidance, advice, pointers, etc.
Regards,
Leland
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From the forums:
I have an application that I'm trying to prototype that makes extensive use
of XMLRPC, including advanced data structures (such as arrays/array-refs,
hashes/hashrefs, and even arrays with embedded hashes which themselves may
contain additional arrays with further embedded hashes etc.)
I can manage to do just about any manipulation that I need to do for XMLRPC
in Perl, but I'm finding the revXMLRPC functions to be very cumbersome with
unclear documentation and almost no working examples available that I've
been able to find. To be honest, I'm not even sure of the revXMLRPC
functions even de-serialise the encapsulated XML data to return standard
data structures, or if I then have to use additional functions from revXML
to do that.
Perl, of course, contains a number of various libraries to work with XMLRPC
and simply deserialises the data to return a data structure with which I can
work.
Given that LiveCode/Revolution is toted as less coding, and more
productive, I'm at a loss to find an equivalent to the types of things that
I'm trying to do here.
For example, with just a few lines in Perl, I can use (in this example) a
couple of XMLRPC calls to obtain a list of virtual machines from a cloud
provider, and the current data concerning those machines. (using the
Frontier::RPC library for this) .. example:
--- code ---
# other stuff snipped here to get to the nitty gritty
my %vms ; #empty hash to store the details of my VMs
# login to rpc server
my $rpc = Frontier::Client-new( url = $server_url );
my $key = $rpc-call('login',$username,$password);
# got my key now start calling various methods...
my $vm_list = $rpc-call('vm.list',$key);
# now iterate the vm.list and get the info for each vm and store it into a
local hash for manipulation
foreach my $vm (@{$vm_list}) {
my $vm_info = $rpc-call('vm_info',$key,$vm-{id});
# store the data in my %vms hash
$vms{$vm_info-{id}} = $vm_info ;
}
$rpc-close();
# now I can do whatever I like with the data...
# like iterate through the list and display some useful data...
foreach my $vm (keys %vms) {
print VM ID: $vms{$vm}-{id} -- Hostname: $vms{$vm}-{hostname} --
State: $vms{$vm}-{state}\n;
# get a list of interfaces in the VM:
print Interface List...\n;
foreach my $if (@{$vms{$vm}-{ifaces}}) {
print Interface ID: $if-{id} -- Speed: $if-{bandwidth} -- Status:
$if-{state}\n;
}
}
--- end code ---
I can't seem to find a reasonable way to do this in livecode/revolution
with the limited examples/documentation that I have available (and I have
hard-copies of the RunRev 4.0 user manual, and the 3.0 dictionaries volumes
1 and 2) -- Just wondering if there is a relatively straightforward way of
accomplishing the equivalent of the above in livecode as I cannot find any
suitable examples after spending hours searching the forums, and the wider
net...
Thanks in advance for any pointers, tips, or references that may be useful!
Regards,
L.
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites? http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Progress bar with lock?
Bob, I think that is a great idea! Maybe Scott will see this and create one. Charles Szasz csz...@mac.com On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Bob Sneidar-2 [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: Here's a question: Would a window created by an external still update while the screen is locked? If so, then I think we need a progress bar external. Scott made some really nice controls a while back. How about if Scott made a standalone that could be called from Runtime Rev as an external. Is that even possible? Otherwise, a real compiled c++ or java external would have to be made. I bet a lot of people here on the list would pay for that. I know I would! I cannot code in c++ or java so I cannot do it. Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:14 PM, charles61 wrote: I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear fields, reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. During this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during this process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the screen is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is locked? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Progress-bar-with-lock-tp3006132p3006132.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list [hidden email] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [hidden email] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Progress-bar-with-lock-tp3006132p3006223.html To unsubscribe from Progress bar with lock?, click here. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Progress-bar-with-lock-tp3006132p3006329.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: XMLRPC question
Hello There Leland, Be welcome. Are you calling Userland Frontier server with that XML-RPC code? Well, let my curiosity be put aside and let us get back to business. Our XML-RPC library is barebones, it works but it is basically some convenient methods wrapping our XML generation library. Mind you that some time ago, LiveCode (then known as Revolution) had no multidimensional arrays, so building structs and more complex objects was not trivial since we could not match them to some of our data types. Now LiveCode has multidimensional arrays which are not actually arrays but hash tables. So we could map back and forth complex structs/arrays with ease but no one bothered to write those routines. I bet people here have their own home cooked solution. I built in dozens of lines a routine to pick an array (LiveCode one) and build a struct out of it. Works well and is used internally for testing on the company I work for. I haven't build the reverse routine to pick from XML-RPC response and decode it back to something addressable. Mind you that building that routine is not actually difficult, it is just tedious and error prone but it is simple. These days I am somewhat busy but as soon as I have free time, I will address this problem. In the mean while, I suggest that you use a combination of XML-RPC and XML routines to extract your data. You can make it generic enough so that you can feed it any XML-RPC response and get an array back, the trick is the iteration routine to recursively extract arrays and structs from inside arrays and structs. So making a summary, right now, you don't have fancy routines for making an XML-RPC a nice object if the response contains complex structures but you have helper XML and XML-RPC methods that make building such function an approachable task that can be finished in couple hours. sorry for not being more helpful right now. andre PS: I am somewhat disornganized with my projects, there might be the case that I've built this function in the past and forgot about it. Will check out. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
I am going to create my own software store and will lock steve out of it! On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites? http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites? http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 Hilarious, Richard :-) But you forgot one thing. ...not containing viruses or porn. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: XMLRPC question
Leland- Welcome to the list. In addition to what Andre's already posted, It's certainly possible in perl to create some densely terse routines, so I think the claim of less coding is quite relative, and depends somewhat on what libraries you already have available to you. From your perl snippets it looks like you're dealing with web services on a remote server. In that case the library I put on revOnline may be of some help to you: libSOAP. I've tried to encapsulate some of the complexities of dealing with XMLRPC in an easy (easier) to use and more rev^H^H^Hlivecode-friendly format. Your phrase relatively straightforward again is in the eye of the beholder, but hopefully this may give you something to start with. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Oh heck, no one is gonna put up with that! Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites? http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 Hilarious, Richard :-) But you forgot one thing. ...not containing viruses or porn. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: XMLRPC question
So THAT'S why I can't figure them out! I quit smoking hash a long time ago! And do they really make tables specifically for smoking hash?? Something's not right. It may be me. Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Now LiveCode has multidimensional arrays which are not actually arrays but hash tables. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
Oh heck, no one is gonna put up with that! The lack of porn? ;-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
It is the Year Of Penguins in the Neo-Chinese calendar, the year we'll set our computers free from the bad quality of windows and the ungrokkable mood swings of Steve Jobs of Sith... now, let me install ubuntu again after buying my iphone 4... Jokes aside, I believe they would not be so drastic since this would probably trigger an anti-competitive investigation or anti-trust stuff but this does not matter because in the mind of the consumer, the app store will be the place to be. I am quite afraid of the future... :-/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabbing out of a text field
Craig Newman on October 21, 2010 at 1:45 PM -0700 wrote: You could trap the tabKey message. There has to be something else. I am looking at an earlier project that I developed and I have a field that when I press TAB, I am moved on to the next field, just as if I had pressed Return. I see no trapping of the TabKey in that project. What am I missing? Or what should I look for. I want to have fields that have one line of entry only and when you press Tab, it moves on to the next field. I have set the field to be Tab on Return so that traps the return key, but pressing TAB, adds a tab to text. In my earlier project it just moves on. Help :) Stewart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
A very interesting blog post about the Oracle v.s. Google lawsuit (hint: it revolves around Java ownership and its impact on android) http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/08/14/how-oracle-might-kill -googles-android-and-software-patents-all-at-once/ A word of warning: the author is an Apple fanboy and does not like google. However, his perspective is intellectually stimulating (well, at least for me) Best François Yes, very interesting. At Paradigma, this is often a topic of conversation because Sun's business is a trio of technologies: - Solaris - Java - MySQL My understanding is that Oracle has made very serious investments in Java based tools and Linux. They definitely do have some plans for Solaris - even as they've shut down any work on Open Solaris - but I think both that and MySQL are not the reason why Oracle purchased Sun. Oracle has a real enemy in IBM, and IBM was also making offers on Sun. If IBM got ahold of Java, they could make Oracle really suffer. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: External newbie question
Bonjour François, Je ne parle pas français so I will answer in english :-) You can't use Externals with LiveCode for iOS (AKA RevMobile). If you're not trying to do stuff with iPhone but are actually just trying to use the XCode that was bundled, then make sure you have the SDKs for Mac OS X installed because I don't think they come bundled with the iOS SDK. You can fetch ExternalEnvironmentV3 from: http://developer.runrev.com/externals/ExternalsEnvironmentV3.ziphttp://developer.runrev.com/externals/ExternalsEnvironmentV2.zip :-D 2010/10/21 François Chaplais francois.chapl...@mines-paristech.fr I have download the latest (v3?) externals lesson from runrev, and after having installed the iPhone dev toolkit (which included XCode), I have compiled the *solution* provided by runrev (op. sys. was Leopard). Everything worked fine, the stack was launched, but the external could not be called from script. This was with revStudio v. 4.0. There has been a thread on the list about plugins location. Could this be related? Do I have to put the external's stack in a special place? I have another question (which is unrelated but also concerns externals). There is a huge library of fortran sources at netlib http://www.netlib.org/ that is devoted to scientific computation. In theory, it is possible to put a fortran compiler into XCode, but as far I know, the parameters are not handled the same way in C and in Fortran (refetrence v.s. value). Can we get around this by using the @ keyword in the transcript calling code? Thanks in advance for your kind answers. Best, François ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revServer installation issues
Amazing you are , Doctor Andre Holmes Garcia ! Thanks 1000 times for this too ;-) RevServer should now work just fine, is't ? Will test tomorrow on SnowLeo and report the confirmation. Thanks again, Andre ! Kind Regards, Pierre Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:26, Andre Garzia a écrit : Folks, This is FIXED!! Damn Phil, check out your http.conf for AllowOverride None. By default this comes set for the documents folder and for the cgi-bin folder. You need to change it to AllowOverride All and then you can place your .htaccess files and they will work. Just did it here. Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Bob Sneidar wrote: Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites? http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 Oh heck, no one is gonna put up with that! Hard to say. After all, it's just looking out for the user, providing as much security and safety as they can. Remember that iPhone users report that they like having that sort of stewardship, and many believe that being able to choose their own software from their own download sites is completely undesirable. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revServer installation issues
Bonjour Pierre, You need to check the following pieces: 1) Make sure AllowOverride is set to All on both CGI-Executables and Documents 2) Make sure your documents .htaccess include: Options ExecCGI AddHandler irev-script .irev Action irev-script /cgi-bin/revserver Make sure the path /cgi-bin/revserver points to the RevServer engine. If you simply put the whole RevServer folder on CGI-Executables, that reference might be /cgi-bin/revserver/revserver 3) Now, I am not sure of this one, but I've added it here. On my .htaccess file for the CGI-Executables folder, I have an Options ExecCGI RevServer and it's files are set to 755 and are owned by soapdog:admin. I don't think the files will run if owned by root. Too dangerous. Pierre, did you actually used the little webserver that I've sent you? Did it work for you? On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr wrote: Amazing you are , Doctor Andre Holmes Garcia ! Thanks 1000 times for this too ;-) RevServer should now work just fine, is't ? Will test tomorrow on SnowLeo and report the confirmation. Thanks again, Andre ! Kind Regards, Pierre Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:26, Andre Garzia a écrit : Folks, This is FIXED!! Damn Phil, check out your http.conf for AllowOverride None. By default this comes set for the documents folder and for the cgi-bin folder. You need to change it to AllowOverride All and then you can place your .htaccess files and they will work. Just did it here. Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: put input type=file class=upload name=fileX[]
I am not sure about that name=FileX[] but file uploading require more than that. It requires: action=POST and enctype=multipart/form-data on the form tag. After that you will need a MIME enclosure decoder to extract the file out of the MIME envelope that is sent to you by the browser. You can see a really good one at http://troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev?showscript=upload.irev by Sarah Reichelt. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Rick Harrison harri...@all-auctions.comwrote: This line allows one to search their hard-drive for a file to upload to a server. Now I just need the magic code to process and submit the information for the upload to the On-Rev server. Anyone have experience using this method? Thanks, Rick ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: (no subject)
It is a spam (for Viagra !) Le 21 oct. 2010 à 22:18, Bob Sneidar a écrit : What in the world is this? I am afraid to click on a link when there is absolutely no explanation about what it is from an address I have never seen before. Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, thebilltay...@yahoo.com wrote: http://reguqaru.t35.com/don'tclickme ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Franklin Audio 1.1 Released, Frankin 3D 1.7.1 Followed
Hello all, Yes, the numbering is strange, given Franklin Audio 1.1 is the initial release. These externals utilize libraries underneath and we want to start out by matching the Franklin release with the library release. Franklin Audio 1.1 is our multi-channel audio plugin. With this plugin, you go beyond simple stereo (panning) and straight to 3d space based audio, allowing you to buffer and play back multiple audio sources simultaneously, each of which can be played, looped, paused and more, independently. A last minute addition (with a slightly green example) is audio capturing. Franklin 3D 1.7.1 is our major fix update to the initial Franklin 1.0 release we made in 2009. I wont go into detail what's included, as it really doesn't have a flock of new features, just a huge number of engine fixes. If you got your copy of Franklin 3D 1.0 from the megabundle 2009 era, you should install this. Franklin Audio 1.1 will remain on sale until November 1, 2010 - approximately 50% off. On sale, single platforms are $39, both $69. Everything about both products can be found here: http://www.franklin3d.com Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabbing out of a text field
On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:02 PM, RevList wrote: Craig Newman on October 21, 2010 at 1:45 PM -0700 wrote: You could trap the tabKey message. There has to be something else. I am looking at an earlier project that I developed and I have a field that when I press TAB, I am moved on to the next field, just as if I had pressed Return. I see no trapping of the TabKey in that project. What am I missing? Or what should I look for. I want to have fields that have one line of entry only and when you press Tab, it moves on to the next field. I have set the field to be Tab on Return so that traps the return key, but pressing TAB, adds a tab to text. In my earlier project it just moves on. Help :) Is traversalOn set to true for the fields? Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabbing out of a text field
On 10/21/10 5:02 PM, RevList wrote: I want to have fields that have one line of entry only and when you press Tab, it moves on to the next field. I have set the field to be Tab on Return so that traps the return key, but pressing TAB, adds a tab to text. In my earlier project it just moves on. If the field has no tabstops set, it will act like you want. If it has tabstops, then you get tab characters when you type the tab key. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Not to carry on this post forever, but the model of the present iTunes app store is small apps that do one thing well that anyone (if approved) can use for free, or else pay a fee for commercial use. Enterprise app developers are simply not going to go with the model that Apple is presenting, or if they do it will be a vastly scaled down model of their software, with the ability to upgrade to the full professional versions. Now Microsoft just announced their own cloud based version of Office, but it's not going to go through Apple or anyone else. I think a LOT of developers would LIKE to move to a cloud based distribution model, for at least one reason that by itself is overwhelmingly appealing: No Piracy! So while devs may not go with APPLE'S model for reasons already discussed, they might very well go for another model. The real question is who's cloud are the devs going to pluck their harps on? I think we are seeing the beginning of what some predicted a long time ago, that is cloud based computing, and I don't like it one bit. I do NOT want to license software for use and pay a fee each year to support the infrastructure because all developers decided this was the model that benefited THEM most. I want to pay my money, and then be done with the developer. That is clearly NOT what developers want though. Presently, it's a storm wave model, lots of flow out the gate, and then they get washed up on the sand unless they can catch another wave. What they want is a deep flowing river model, only the river is not flowing with water but cash. This is a very bad trend (for consumers), which I think Apple saw coming too and decided to get out in front of. Don't focus on Apple, this is much bigger than one corporation. I think fostering consumer awareness about what developers intend is the strategy to combat this sort of thing. If people think they are going to have to pay a regular fee to continue to use their computers, they will revolt. And it has to happen soon, because once a lot of developers get into the cloud, they are not coming back out of it for ANYTHING. Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Bob Sneidar wrote: Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites? http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 Oh heck, no one is gonna put up with that! Hard to say. After all, it's just looking out for the user, providing as much security and safety as they can. Remember that iPhone users report that they like having that sort of stewardship, and many believe that being able to choose their own software from their own download sites is completely undesirable. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
