from:"David Burgun"

Problem with more than one open stack

2007-11-11 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I have a stack that runs a task that takes a about 2 mins to run.  
While it's working I want to display a simple Progress window, this  
works ok, except the when I Go to the Progress stack, the calling  
stack loses it's context so that references to fields on the stack  
don't get resolved, e.g. this stack refers to the Progress Stack,  
not the Driving Stack.


How can I display one stack (e.g. the Progress Stack) have have it  
update, but have code running in another Stack? I am Sending  
messages to the Progress stack to set the thumb position every N cycles.


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


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Re: More problems with revExecuteSQL

2007-11-01 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I believe that even with variable substitution, you have to put '  
around any non-numeric parameter.


Do you mean the data in the array? The reason I moved from just  
sending the data in the SQL Statement directly was to get around the  
problem that there may be quotes in the data to be inserted.


Your SQL statement doesn't have that.  The 13T01 is the time.  It  
appears that the expression for the date is getting evaluated as a  
math function.


But why? And how do I stop it! There may well be single quotes in the  
data. The data can be any UTF8 character.



I think your template SQL statement should be something like:

... VALUES (':1',':2',...


Not according to the documentation:

revExecuteSQL myID,insert into emp() values(:1,:2,:1),\
 valueX,valueY

The content of the variable valueX is substituted for the :1 in the  
SQLQuery (in both places where :1 appears), and the content of  
valueY is substituted for :2.


If you specify an arrayName rather than a list of ordinary variables,  
the revExecuteSQL command substitutes the corresponding element of  
the array for each of the placeholders in the query:


  revExecuteSQL myID,insert into emp() values(:1,:2,:1),myArray

The content of the element myArray[1] is substituted for the :1 in  
the SQLQuery (in both places where :1 appears), and the content of  
myArray[2] is substituted for :2.



Anyone have any idea how to do this simple thing?

All the Best
Dave


On 1 Nov 2007, at 12:53, Len Morgan wrote:

I believe that even with variable substitution, you have to put '  
around any non-numeric parameter.  Your SQL statement doesn't have  
that.  The 13T01 is the time.  It appears that the expression for  
the date is getting evaluated as a math function.


I think your template SQL statement should be something like:

... VALUES (':1',':2',...

Hope that helps

len morgan


David Burgun wrote:

Hi,

After finding out that the data I was sending with revExecuteSQL  
needed to be escaped if it contains double-quotes or colon etc. I  
decided it would be better to put the data into an array and use  
the parameter substitution feature. When I run it now, I get  the  
following error: unrecognized token: 13T01


And I can't figure out could be wrong! Please see of the function  
where this occurs followed by the contents of the variables.


Anyone got any ideas or what could be wrong? Not sure what to do  
now! I need to be able to write arbitrary UTF8 string to a SQLite  
database. Doesn't seem a lot to ask! lol


All the Best
Dave

--
--
--  UtilDBInsertRecord
--
---
function UtilDBInsertRecord  
theDatabaseID,theTableName,theRecordKeyArray

  local mySQLCode
  local myKeyList
  local myKeyName
  local myKeyText
  local myResult
  local myTempKeyList
  local myValueList
  local myParameterList
  local myParameterArray
  local myParameterNumber

  put the keys of theRecordKeyArray into myKeyList
  if myKeyList  empty then
sort lines of myKeyList
put replaceText(myKeyList,cr,,) into myTempKeyList
--delete char -1 of myTempKeyList

put empty into myParameterArray
put empty into myParameterList
put empty into myValueList
put 1 into myParameterNumber
repeat for each line myKeyName in myKeyList
  put :   myParameterNumber  , after myParameterList
  put theRecordKeyArray[myKeyName] into myParameterArray 
[myParameterNumber]

  add 1 to myParameterNumber
end repeat

delete char -1 of myParameterList
put INSERT INTO   theTableName   (  myTempKeyList  )  
  \

 VALUES (  myParameterList  )  into mySQLCode

revExecuteSQL theDatabaseID,mySQLCode,myParameterArray
put the result into myResult

if myResult  empty then
  if myResult is not an integer then
answer error Error in UtilDBInsertRecord, revExecuteSQL:  
 myResult

breakpoint
  end if
end if
  end if

  return myResult
end UtilDBInsertRecord

- 
---

Variable dump when the error occurs:


mySQLCode:

INSERT INTO MusicBase  
(AlbumName,AlbumRating,AlbumRatingKind,ArtistName,BitRate,BPM,DateAdd 
ed,Duration,FileLocation,FileSizeBytes,Genre,ModDate,PlayedCount,Play 
edDate,SampleRate,TrackName,TrackRating,TrackRatingKind,TrackSkippedC 
ount,TrackSkippedDate,UnplayedFlag)  VALUES (: 
1,:2,:3,:4,:5,:6,:7,:8,:9,:10,:11,:12,:13,:14,:15,:16,:17,:18,:19,:20 
,:21)



myResultunrecognized token: 13T01

myParameterList: 
1,:2,:3,:4,:5,:6,:7,:8,:9,:10,:11,:12,:13,:14,:15,:16,:17,:18,:19,:20 
,:21


myParameterArray:

[1]The Best Of Bob Dylan I
[2]0
[3]computed
[4]Bob Dylan
[5]192
[6]0
[7]2007-10-29T10:25:04Z
[8]168463
[9]file://localhost/Users/Dave/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Bob  
Dylan/The Best Of Bob Dylan I/01 Blowin

SQL Lite for RunRev?

2007-10-29 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

Does anyone know where I can download a version of SQLIte for Windows  
and Mac that works with RunRev? How do I access the SQLLite calls  
from RunRev?


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

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Re: SQL Lite for RunRev?

2007-10-29 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

What do you mean by SQLite is included with RunRev nowadays ? I  
downloaded the latest version of RunRev, but can't see any mention of  
SQLite anywhere. If use the revDB commands, will they automatically  
pick up SQLite? I've been trying to find something on this for a  
while now and can't see anything specially addressing this in the  
RunRev docs or on their web site.


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 29 Oct 2007, at 10:46, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Dave,

SQLite is included with RunRev nowadays. Read all entries  
containing sql, revdb and database to get started.


There are a lot of SQLite-related discussion in the archives of  
this list:


http://search.gmane.org/?query=sqlite+%22how+to% 
22author=group=gmane.comp.ide.revolution.usersort=relevanceDEFAULT 
OP=andxP=ZsqlitexFILTERS=Gcomp.ide.revolution.user---A


Skimming those will definitely help you.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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http://economy-x-talk.com
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Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.  
http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com



Op 29-okt-2007, om 11:33 heeft David Burgun het volgende geschreven:


Hi,

Does anyone know where I can download a version of SQLIte for  
Windows and Mac that works with RunRev? How do I access the  
SQLLite calls from RunRev?


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

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Re: SQL Lite for RunRev?

2007-10-29 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

Thanks a lot, this is exactly what I wanted!

All the Best
Dave

On 29 Oct 2007, at 15:47, Thierry wrote:



Le 29 oct. 07 à 16:40, David Burgun a écrit :


What do you mean by SQLite is included with RunRev nowadays ?



Hi Dave,

look here:

http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue26/newsletter1.php

they have a chapter about SQLite

HTH,
Thierry

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Returning a Value from an AppleScript

2007-10-19 Thread David Burgun


Hi All,

I'm using:

 do myAppleScriptCode as AppleScript

to run an AppleScript. How can I return a value from the AppleScript  
to RunRev? I'm sure I've seen this somewhere, but I'm at a customer  
site at the moment and don't have access to everything.


Thanks in Advance

Have a Great Weekend
All the Best
Dave

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Getting the Current User Name On Windows

2007-10-19 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I'm using the whoami shell  function to return the current user  
name on the Mac. Does anyone know the equivalent code for Windows?


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave
 
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Problem Running Under Windows

2007-10-18 Thread David Burgun


Hi All,

Apologies if this message has already been posted/answered. My email  
has been playing up and I lost a load of emails last night. If this  
has been answered, would someone mind forwarding me the replies?


I'm still trying make this work and not having much luck at present!

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave
 
*

Hi,

I have an Application that works ok when running under the RunRev IDE  
and as a Standalone on Mac OS X. However, when I run the start on  
Windows under the IDE, I get the following error:


Type:  Chunk: Can't find stack
Object: CardStartup
Line: else
Hint: ISMColdStart

After stepping thru with the debugger, I found that the error is  
generated when this line is executed:


get value(ISMColdStart(  myDebugEnableFlag  ,  quote   
myRunTimeStacksFolderPathName  quote  ), myColdStartStackLongName)


The values of the variables are:

myDebugEnableFlag = false
myRunTimeStacksFolderPathName = C:/Documents and Settings/BWolff/ 
Desktop/RunRevBase/Projects/GenX/RunTime/Stacks/
myColdStartStackLongName = stack C:/Documents and Settings/BWolff/ 
Desktop/RunRevBase/GlobalStacks/StackISM.rev


The folders and the file exist ok at the location stated above.

One thing I tried is to cut and paste the contents of  
myRunTimeStacksFolderPathName into the message box as a command go  
stack C:/Documents and Settings/BWolff/Desktop/RunRevBase/ 
GlobalStacks/StackISM.rev


And this loads the stack as expected.

Does anyone have any idea what could be wrong here?

All the Best
Dave

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Problem Running Under Windows

2007-10-17 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I have an Application that works ok when running under the RunRev IDE  
and as a Standalone on Mac OS X. However, when I run the start on  
Windows under the IDE, I get the following error:


Type:  Chunk: Can't find stack
Object: CardStartup
Line: else
Hint: ISMColdStart

After stepping thru with the debugger, I found that the error is  
generated when this line is executed:


get value(ISMColdStart(  myDebugEnableFlag  ,  quote   
myRunTimeStacksFolderPathName  quote  ), myColdStartStackLongName)


The values of the variables are:

myDebugEnableFlag = false
myRunTimeStacksFolderPathName = C:/Documents and Settings/BWolff/ 
Desktop/RunRevBase/Projects/GenX/RunTime/Stacks/
myColdStartStackLongName = stack C:/Documents and Settings/BWolff/ 
Desktop/RunRevBase/GlobalStacks/StackISM.rev


The folders and the file exist ok at the location stated above.

One thing I tried is to cut and paste the contents of  
myRunTimeStacksFolderPathName into the message box as a command go  
stack C:/Documents and Settings/BWolff/Desktop/RunRevBase/ 
GlobalStacks/StackISM.rev


And this loads the stack as expected.

Does anyone have any idea what could be wrong here?

All the Best
Dave

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Re: closeField and exitField problem

2007-10-16 Thread David Burgun



On 15 Oct 2007, at 20:30, Björnke von Gierke wrote:

Yes, I too think that validating user entries is one of rev's  
weaknesses. However, artificially increasing the problem by not  
using the fields as data source seems a bit strange to me,  
especially with your reasoning.


One area where this falls down is if you want to enter a password  
type field. In this case when the user types a character you want to  
display a * in the field while accumulating the key strokes in  
local storage. You can't use the field as data storage in this case.


How are these two lines completely different in their horribility?

put field 1 of card 1 into x
put the field1oncard1 of this stack into x


They are identical and are horrid since the script will break if you  
remove the field at a later stage.




If you're really that much into customprops, you can put the fields  
into them when you leave the card. or with a send in time message,  
or on mousemove, or ...


I don't want to reference an object directly if I can help it. When I  
want to get or set the contents of an object I always use a handler  
if that object that references the contents via me, that way if you  
remove the object you don't get errors elsewhere in the Stack, all  
that happens is that the field no longer gets called.


More likely is that i didn't understand the problem you have  
correctly, so maybe you should explain it in a different way.




No need since I had my own work-around and there's a better one  
posted under this subject on this list which I will implement later on.


All the Best
Dave


Bjoernke


On 15 Oct 2007, at 20:48, Dave wrote:


Hi,

I asked about this problem ages ago, but didn't get a response, so  
I'm asking again as it's just come up again!


I am running on a Mac. If the user fills in a field and then tabs  
out of the field, either a closeField or exitField message is sent  
to the field. All well and good. However, if the user clicks on a  
button, nether messages are sent!


This is supposedly normal behavior since from the docs:

If the lookAndFeel property is set to Macintosh, the closeField  
message is generally not sent when another control (such as a  
button) is clicked. This is because clicked buttons do not receive  
the focus on Mac OS systems, and therefore the selection remains  
active.


(incidentally, in this case the lookAndFeel and feel property is  
set to Appearance Manager, so according to the above it should  
still send the message(s).)


This effectively means that it\s impossible to ensure that a field  
is valid using these messages, so what's the use of having them or  
am I missing something.


I want to let the user enter a number of fields and then when the  
user clicks the button, I check to see if they are valid and if  
not put if an error message. The problem is that the three field  
must be examined together, so I'd like to be able to store the  
contents of each field in a custom property of the stack and then  
check them in the mouseUp handler of the button. I can't really  
access the fields directly (as is put field XXX into whatever)  
since the check may be run on a different card and it's really  
horrible to access fields like that.


Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

All the Best
Dave


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Zip Format?

2007-10-16 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I'm using the following function to create a Zip file:

 
-

--
--  UtilFileCreateZipFile
--
 
-

function UtilFileCreateZipFile theZipArchiveFilePathName,theFileToZip

  --
  --  Delete the Archive File if it exists
  --
  if there is a file theZipArchiveFilePathName then
delete file theZipArchiveFilePathName
  end if

  --
  --  Create the Archive File
  --
  revZipOpenArchive theZipArchiveFilePathName,write
  if the result  empty then return the result

  --
  --  Add the File to the Archive
  --
  revZipAddItemWithFile  
theZipArchiveFilePathName,iTunesLibrary,theFileToZip

  if the result  empty then return the result

  --
  --  Close the Archive File
  --
  revZipCloseArchive theZipArchiveFilePathName
  if the result  empty then return the result

  return empty
end UtilFileCreateZipFile


This file is  then uploaded via FTP to a server using the  
libURLftpUploadFile function.


My problem is that the Server is expected a GZip format file. Does  
the revZipAddItemWithFile function create a GZip file? If not how  
can I do this?


Thanks a lot for any assistance or suggestion.

All the Best
Dave






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Re: SOAP Library - More

2007-10-12 Thread David Burgun


Hi Mark,

Thanks a lot for that, I managed to get it working in time for the demo!

I've re-structured it quite a bit, I need to fix a few problems, then  
I'll release it back. I've made it a lot more general purpose and  
much easier to use.


Thanks Again
All the Best
Dave

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Re: SOAP Library

2007-10-08 Thread David Burgun


Hi Mark,

Thanks for that, it looks a lot cleaner.

One question though, I can't find any documentation on the  
SOAP.RPCRequest() function. When I click it in SOAPLib Stack, it just  
shows the name.


I have the following snippet that I am trying to get to work before  
moving onto more complex commands:


 
---

--
--  mouseUp
--
 
---

on mouseUp
  local myParams
  local myURL
  local myMethod
  local myNameSpace
  local mySoapAction
  local mySoapResponse
  local mySOAPData

  put empty into myParams
  put SOAP.AddParam(myParams,UserName,Danny,string) into  
mySOAPData


  put http://www.genxdev.com/ws/UserService.asmx?wsdl; into myURL
  put DoesUserExist into myMethod
  put http://dykyh.com/ws; into myNameSpace
  put http://dykyh.com/ws/DoesUserExist; into mySoapAction
  put SOAP.RPCRequest 
(myURL,myMethod,myNameSpace,myParams,mySoapAction) into mySoapResponse

  put mySoapResponse into field 1
end mouseUp

This was taken from the old SOAP Stack, however there are now more  
parameters into RPCRequest() and I have no clue what to set them to.


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 5 Oct 2007, at 19:06, Mark Wieder wrote:


Dave-

I've put my updated version of the stack on revOnline as libSOAP  
(in user

space mwieder). There are still some things that won't work from the
original, as I don't really understand what was intended for these  
handlers,

and they're noted as such in the stack script. The others are fully
functional and I use them for web services work, even over an https
connection.

--
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: SOAP Library - More

2007-10-08 Thread David Burgun


Hi Again,

I'm really confused on how this SOAP library has to be setup. I've  
been trying to make sense of it by stepping through the code but  
since I'm not sure what it is supposed to work, I'm not having an  
awful lot of luck! For instance, this function:



-- SOAP.RPCRequest
--

FUNCTION SOAP.RPCRequest pUrl, pMethod, pNamespace, pParams,  
pSoapAction, pHeader, pValue, pType

local tHeaders
local tSOAPEnvelope
local tMethod
local tMethodTag

put the uSOAPEnvelope of me into tSOAPEnvelope
put kMethodHeader  :  pMethod into tMethod
put   tMethod   xmlns:  kMethodHeader  =  quote   
pNamespace  quote   into tMethodTag


replace $METHOD  WITH tMethodTag  in tSOAPEnvelope
replace /$METHOD WITH /  tMethod   in tSOAPEnvelope
replace $PARAMS/ WITH pParams in tSOAPEnvelope

replace $HEADER  WITH pHeader  in tSOAPEnvelope

return _SOAP.Post(tSOAPEnvelope, pUrl, pSOAPAction)
END SOAP.RPCRequest


What should uSOAPEnvelope of me be set to? In my copy of the stack,  
it's empty.


I'm trying to get a demo/proof of concept together and a major area  
is talking to the Server which uses Web Services. At the moment the  
App is coded is RealBasic. I have to add a lot more functionality to  
it and have suggested that the job is done in RunRev, however before  
committing, I need to show the basic server comms working.


Thanks a lot for any help
All the Best
Dave


Hi Mark,

Thanks for that, it looks a lot cleaner.

One question though, I can't find any documentation on the  
SOAP.RPCRequest() function. When I click it in SOAPLib Stack, it just  
shows the name.


I have the following snippet that I am trying to get to work before  
moving onto more complex commands:


 
---

--
--  mouseUp
--
 
---

on mouseUp
  local myParams
  local myURL
  local myMethod
  local myNameSpace
  local mySoapAction
  local mySoapResponse
  local mySOAPData

  put empty into myParams
  put SOAP.AddParam(myParams,UserName,Danny,string) into  
mySOAPData


  put http://www.genxdev.com/ws/UserService.asmx?wsdl; into myURL
  put DoesUserExist into myMethod
  put http://dykyh.com/ws; into myNameSpace
  put http://dykyh.com/ws/DoesUserExist; into mySoapAction
  put SOAP.RPCRequest 
(myURL,myMethod,myNameSpace,myParams,mySoapAction) into mySoapResponse

  put mySoapResponse into field 1
end mouseUp

This was taken from the old SOAP Stack, however there are now more  
parameters into RPCRequest() and I have no clue what to set them to.


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 5 Oct 2007, at 19:06, Mark Wieder wrote:


Dave-

I've put my updated version of the stack on revOnline as libSOAP  
(in user

space mwieder). There are still some things that won't work from the
original, as I don't really understand what was intended for these  
handlers,

and they're noted as such in the stack script. The others are fully
functional and I use them for web services work, even over an https
connection.

--
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: COM support in RunRev

2007-10-08 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

Thanks a lot Ken, that should help no end.

All the Best
Dave

On 5 Oct 2007, at 16:12, Ken Ray wrote:


On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:58:58 +0100, David Burgun wrote:


I know I can achieve the same on the Mac from past experience of
using RunRev with AppleScript, however I am not sure of if and how
RunRev supports the COM interface?


Currently Rev does not have built in support for COM, although there
are alternatives:

1) If you are so inclined you can build a Rev external (DLL).

2) If there's already non-Rev DLLs available you want to be able to
use, you can connect to them using VBScript an implement them. A  
tip on

how to do this is here:
 http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ext002.htm

(BTW, that tip also explains the difference between a Rev and non-Rev
DLL.)

3) You can use VBScript by itself, if the app you're trying to
communicate with supports it. Examples are here:
 http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/iac001.htm
 http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/iac002.htm

4) You could use socket communication, if the app you're trying to
communicate with supports it.

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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SOAP Library

2007-10-05 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I am interested in using SOAP to communicate between a client and  
server. I downloaded Unsupported Stacks  from the RunRev web site  
and found a  file called SOAP_toolbox.rev which seems to do what I  
want. However when I came to use the functions in the stack, I found  
a few problems, for instance:


function revSoapComplexRequest pUrl, pBody, pSoapAction
  put empty into lcSoapResponse ##clear response data
  put Content-Type: text/xml into tHeaders
  put cr  SOAPAction:  quote  pSoapAction  quote after tHeaders

  put the cSoapEnvelope of me into tSOAPEnvelope
  put pMethod into tMethod	-- 
*

  put m: before tMethod
  put   tMethod   xmlns:m=  quote  pNamespace  quote   
 into tMethodTag

  replace METHODPARAMS//METHOD  with pBody  in tSOAPEnvelope
  set the httpHeaders to tHeaders
  post tSOAPEnvelope to url pUrl
  put it into lcSoapResponse
  return the result
end revSoapComplexRequest

Please see the line marked with ***, the statement:

  put pMethod into tMethod	-- 
*


Causes a problems since pMethod is not defined in this function.

Does anyone know why this is like this? Is there a more up to date  
SOAP library? Is there another library that is more up to date?


Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated.

All the Best
Dave

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COM support in RunRev

2007-10-04 Thread David Burgun


Hi All,

I am looking at the viability of moving a RealBasic application over  
to the RunRev. The application communicates with various other  
applications. To do this it uses AppleScript on the Mac and COM under  
Windows.


I know I can achieve the same on the Mac from past experience of  
using RunRev with AppleScript, however I am not sure of if and how  
RunRev supports the COM interface?


Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in Advance.

All the Best
Dave

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Getting MAC Addresses

2007-10-04 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

How can I get the MAC addresses of all appropriate devices on a  
system? e.g. if a system has Ethernet and BlueTooth, I want the MAC  
address of both devices. This has to work on Mac OS X and Windows.


Thanks in Advance
All the Best
Dave

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Re: Revolution vs Visual Basic

2006-05-04 Thread David Burgun



On 8 Mar 2006, at 14:45, Mark Smith wrote:


A little out of my depth in saying this, but I don't think  
Revolution would be optimal for writing large and complex image  
manipulation routines, for example.


I'll leave it there, as I have no experience of VB, so perhaps  
others can offer useful comparisons.


I've used a combination of RunRev to run the GUI and a C/C++ External  
to do the image processing. This combination works really well giving  
you the ease and speed of implementation in RunRev and the speed of C/ 
C++ where it counts.


All the Best
Dave


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Re: Looking for certain types of buttons

2006-05-04 Thread David Burgun



On 4 May 2006, at 13:01, Kaveh Bazargan wrote:


At 07:57 -0400 4/5/06, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Kaveh,

That seems very efficient but if you are trying to make debugging
quicker than put that code is a separate handler:


[...]

Just what I needed. Thanks!

I just seem to remember something like:

repeat with i = 1 to the number of buttons whose style is ...


I think that's AppleScript! I get confused like that too, especially  
when switching back and forth between languages!


All the Best
Dave


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Unlock Code for RunRev 2.7.1?????

2006-05-02 Thread David Burgun


Hi All,

I just downloaded and tried to unlock version 2.7.1 but I got the  
message:


The entered license is too old to unlock this version

It worked fine under version 2.7.0. Do I need a new unlock code for  
2.7.1?


Thanks a Lot
All the Best
Dave

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Re: Stop IDE from executing stack when opening stack?

2006-04-27 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I insert the following code into the preOpenStack handler:


  if (the environment = development) and  (the tool = pointer  
tool) then

exit preOpenStack
  end if


This has the effect of stopping the message paths from executing IF  
the stack is being run with the IDE in Pointer mode, that way you  
can look at your Script and make changes. To actually run the script,  
you close the stack, put the IDE into Browse mode and then relaunch  
the stack.


Hope this helps
All the Best
Dave




On 26 Apr 2006, at 21:23, Garrett Hylltun wrote:


Björnke von Gierke wrote:

On Apr 26 2006, at 21:49, Garrett Hylltun wrote:

...
How do I get the Rev Studio IDE to not run the preOpenStack and  
openStack when I first open the stack in the Rev IDE?

...
In the ide, there's the toolbar, and on that you can check/uncheck  
the messages button. It does the same as lock messages.


Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!  :-)

I was completely freaking out over this as I have put weeks into  
this and thought I was going to have to start all over again.



Thanks,
-Garrett
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Re: Use of the Debugger ?

2006-04-27 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

One of the really good things about using a Message Based Schedular  
is that you can build debug/trace into the Schedular and thereby  
trace specific message and/or objects. This has cut my debugging time  
in half! For instance:


You have 10 objects that receive a message MSGX and do something,  
somewhere in the chain something goes wrong. I can put a trace MSGX  
and watch the messages being processed, you can then see which of the  
10 objects is causing the problem.


All the Best
Dave

On 27 Apr 2006, at 11:32, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:


Hi from Paris,

To continue after Jaqueline's and Richard's comments.

Interesting subject. Maybe we could ask other people
if they use the debugger ?


Richard Gaskin wrote:

My first reaction is to pick my jaw up off the floor. How
can you not use the debugger much? I *live* in the
debugger!  Who can program without a debugger?
You are making more work for yourself, I think.


I used HC every day for more than 10 years, and now
I use Revolution every day. I never used HC debugging,
and I haven't even thought about Revolution debugging !
I don't even know how it works.

I write my programs in bed (light switched off, no paper
and pencil), just do it in my head ! The next day, I code
in my scripts using (now) a very rigid naming convention
for fields, globals, locals, etc. And I'm up and running
in no time. I still draw little flow diagrams for sections
of my coding that may be complicated - that saves a
lot of hassle.  Old habits die hard !

One thing I have found very useful. I declare globals
for every local, during testing, and then comment out
the global definitions after testing. They will be available
in the future, if I make any major mods to my scripts.

I use the do command often, but in the form :

 put  into DoIt  -- DoIt is a global
do DoIt

Then I can see if I blew it !

I have a header card on my stacks (which I build
from pre-prepared models). I have displayglobals,
displayfields and displaybuttons functions available
in all my stacks, to see what I have defined. I often
code exit xxx in my scripts during testing, and comment
them out as I go. My only gripe is that the Variable Watcher
doesn't update in real-time. You have to close it and
open it again, each time. But then, I am just about to
create a button to do this ... !

I keep all my functions and standard handlers in a
separate stack, and copy them into my new stacks
as required. Of course, they are clearly documented
with version numbers and dates, so I know what
changes/improvements I made, and when.  I generate
quite a few scripts (like Export and Import), and move them
into my new stacks, etc, etc.   ...

Debugger ? Could it be useful for untidy minds ?
Revolution is SO EASY to code, that it may offer
fertiliser for sloppy coding ..

And I was always against using the computer to find
my errors!

OK - just to be sure, I will invest in some time to
use debugger, just to see if it saves me more time.

I, for one, DON'T write perfect coding.

- Francis

Nothing should ever be done for the first time !


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Re: Mysterious missing messages

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I've had this problem or something very like it in the past, but I  
could never reproduce it. I think that sometimes RunRev gets itself  
in a state whereby it creates a rouge object and that objects  
causes all kinds of side-effects.


If you still have the errant stack, I suggest you send it to RunRev  
support as it may have some tell-tale signs that would allow them to  
trace where the object is coming from.


All the Best
Dave


On 25 Apr 2006, at 17:37, Devin Asay wrote:

(Note: I actually solved this before I sent it, but thought it  
might interest some of you.)


###
Has anyone ever seen this?
(Tried on Rev 2.6.1, 2.7.x on Mac OSX; Rev 2.7 on Win XP)

I have a stack in which I am accessing a mysql database and  
displaying lots of unicode text. I noticed that my openCard and  
closeCard handlers on one of the cards weren't being executed on  
moving between cards. I did some investigating using the message  
watcher and noticed the following:


- When I first open the stack I get the expected sequence of card  
and stack messages:

preOpenBackground
preOpenCard
openStack
openBackground
openCard

-When I go to the next card, either via a button handler or a View  
menu shortcut, I get:

closeCard
preOpenBackground
 That's all.

From this point on I get no open or close (including preOpen/Close)  
messages sent to cards or backgrounds.


Then I tried creating a new card with nothing on it except go next  
and go prev buttons, and set that card to be card 1.


- Again when I first opened the stack I got the normal sequence of  
open/close messages.


- When I go from the blank card to any other card OR from any other  
card back to the blank card I get the expected:

closeCard
preOpenCard
openCard

- However, when I go from any of the other cards to any card except  
the blank one I see:

closeCard
preOpenBackground


OKAY, while I was composing this email I noticed that one of the  
cards contained a rogue group, one I don't remember creating and  
which had the same name of an image object on the card. The group  
had no objects in it. Once I deleted this group the open and close  
messages began working again. I decided to send this along anyway  
for you all to tuck into the back of your brains as something to  
check if your open and close messages ever stop working.



Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun



On 25 Apr 2006, at 19:23, Jim Ault wrote:
Later I am switching windows and happen to click on the Replace  
button, and
without realizing it, I have replaced the string tCounter with  
empty in

every part of my stack script.  There is no undo for this, even if I
realized my mistake the moment it happens..  I wish I could get in  
the habit

of Always changing from the Find mode of a script window, but not yet.

I would prefer a hidden Replace function since it is so dangerous.


It would be better to have a separate Find/Replace dialog box like  
most IDE's I've used IMO.


I NEVER use the find+replace function in the Script Editor, it's way  
too dangerous in other ways too. For instance the whole words  
option doesn't work right, or works oddly in some situations.


I usually copy the whole script into a CodeWarrior window and do the  
Find/Replace and then copy back.


All the Best
Dave

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Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun



On 25 Apr 2006, at 21:06, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Ton Kuypers  suggested:
 use Constellation?

A good choice. And there's MetaCard, and devolution, and you can  
roll you're own




The problem is for Newbies. If you are learning a new environment you  
really don't want to add to the learning curve by using 3rd party  
tools and writing a Script Editor is way too complex a job for a  
newbie. Besides all that, the reason you use an IDE is to take the  
sweat out of software development, if you can't trust the tools that  
come with it, well..


All the Best
Dave

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Re: Mysterious missing messages

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun


Laughing my Socks Off! Would be an interesting bug!

All the Best
Dave

On 26 Apr 2006, at 15:01, Ian Wood wrote:



On 26 Apr 2006, at 13:52, David Burgun wrote:


whereby it creates a rouge object


Or even a rogue object... it made me laugh out loud at the idea  
of a Rev object making it's cheeks look a bit pinker!


Ian
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Converting a RunRev App to a Web-Based App?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I've just had an enquiry about an application I developed in RunRev a  
while back. It's basically a small database that contains small  
images, a 2D size and a product code. They would like to convert this  
to a web based application. How easy/difficult would it be to convert  
the existing app to run as a web-based app?


Thanks a Lot
All the Best
Dave


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Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun



On 26 Apr 2006, at 15:59, Jerry Daniels wrote:

If I read this thread correctly, it isn't that the Rev IDE is  
untrustworthy, but rather that the second typing of an enter key  
closes the Rev script editor.


Yes, bad UI design. It's not just that though, there are loads of  
problems in the IDE, especially with the Script Editor.




If basic development environments didn't have third party tools,  
they wouldn't last long. Third party products exist to enrich a  
platform, not because the underlying standard product is  
untrustworthy or un-useable. It's a matter of providing more  
choices, extending functionality and creating diversity--the  
hallmarks of evolution (or in Richard's case Devolution).


CodeWarrior didn't have any 3rd party tools that I ever used or  
*needed* to use and CodeWarrior lasted a fairly long time! In general  
I have nothing against 3rd party tools, but the basic package  
should be able to handle basic things without falling over or causing  
scripts to be corrupted or lost.


There are a number of development environments I have used over the  
years that didn't have 3rd party tools and they lasted a long time or  
are still going.


We have Constellation (www.daniels-mara.com/products/ 
constellation.htm) users who have never used the Revolution script  
editor--newbies to Revolution, if you will. The same can be said of  
the Metacard IDE and Devolution (Richard Gaskin's IDE). There are  
also people who are using Scott Rossi's excellent tools  
(www.tactilemedia.com) and have never used the stock object  
alignnment and colorizing.


Sure, but you shouldn't be *forced* to use them because the basic  
package is not all it should be. Also, when a newbie buys RunRev and  
starts to use it, depending on their past experience, they have a big  
task to get their head around, a programming language, an IDE and the  
whole MC concept. They really don't want to take on any more at that  
time.



Jerry

Buy Constellation from Runtime Revolution!
http://revstudio.runrev.com/section/revselect/constellation/


I (and many others) already bought RunRev! Why should we have to buy  
something else just to work around problems in the RunRev IDE?


All the Best
Dave


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Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

Yes, I've encountered all those problems too!

The other problem with using 3rd party tools in this case is that if  
you have just gotten your manager to approve buying RunRev and then  
you say you want to spend more money on something else cos the RunRev  
IDE isn't up to the task, then they are likely to as why you are  
using it in the first place! I've been in that spot before and it  
isn't a good spot to be in!!!


All the Best
Dave

On 26 Apr 2006, at 16:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Good point, Dave,
But I'm not sure why we are having this discussion at all.
Whether it takes one click or two clicks to close the script editor  
is the least of the problems with the editor and, worse yet, the  
debugger.
It opens to random window sizes. Sometimes it opens almost off the  
screen. Sometimes it opens but simply will not run. Often it will  
step though a couple lines of code then drop to the bottom of the  
handler. You can set debug checkpoints which do not trigger the  
debugger at all. You can set debug checkpoints that get removed  
when the debugger runs. The variable watcher misses variables  
(especially the clickLine). It is possible to use the spacebar to  
step through code (although there is no obvious way to know this) -  
except that it often will not work for the first step. Attempting  
to use the Find command in the debugger will scramble the script  
editor window and scripts being edited. Etc. Etc.
These issues have been present since the debugger was introduced.  
They are there in version after version of Rev. Many are listed in  
Bugzilla. Most are obvious to a causual user. But they don't get  
fixed!

I hope they listen to Scott, but history is not encouraging.
Paul Looney

-Original Message-
From: David Burgun [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:01:01 +0100
Subject: Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

  On 25 Apr 2006, at 21:06, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 Ton Kuypers suggested:
  use Constellation?

  A good choice. And there's MetaCard, and devolution, and you can  
 roll you're own



 The problem is for Newbies. If you are learning a new environment  
you really don't want to add to the learning curve by using 3rd  
party tools and writing a Script Editor is way too complex a job  
for a newbie. Besides all that, the reason you use an IDE is to  
take the sweat out of software development, if you can't trust the  
tools that come with it, well..


All the Best
Dave

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Re: Converting a RunRev App to a Web-Based App?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun


Hi Trevor,

It's using mySQL right now, but I could use any SQL based database.

I'm not sure of the server configuration. The app allows you to  
select an image of a certain size or sizes and then it looks it shows  
other images from the database with a compatible size. For example:


The user selects ImageA, this image is available in (say) 3 sizes  
512, 1024 and 2048. It will then search the database and find images  
that have the same sizes. It's a little more complex then that, but  
thats really the core of it.


This works just fine in house, but now they want to make it  
available over the web so anyone can go to the page and do the same  
thing. There is no authentication in terms of getting a User ID or  
Password.


All the Best
Dave

On 26 Apr 2006, at 16:47, Trevor DeVore wrote:


On Apr 26, 2006, at 7:50 AM, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

I've just had an enquiry about an application I developed in  
RunRev a while back. It's basically a small database that contains  
small images, a 2D size and a product code. They would like to  
convert this to a web based application. How easy/difficult would  
it be to convert the existing app to run as a web-based app?


Hi Dave,

What kind of database is your app using right now?  Stack, text,  
SQL or other?  Also, what kind of environment will your web-based  
app run under?  Will this be a generally available application that  
requires authentication or will the data that the web-based app  
accesses be available to anyone who wants it?


--
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - http://www.bluemangolearning.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Converting a RunRev App to a Web-Based App?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun

Jeez, I thought I had a doppelgänger for a minute! Is it me or  
have we got cross-threads here?


Cheers
Dave

On 26 Apr 2006, at 17:07, David Brooks wrote:



What kind of database is your app using right now?


MySQL under Mac OS 10.4.

Stack, text, SQL or other?  Also, what kind of environment will  
your web-based app run under?  Will this be a generally available  
application that requires authentication or will the data that the  
web-based app accesses be available to anyone who wants it?


It's a demonstration program. After last year at RevCon, I started  
doing all of my work in xml-like text files. My students, on the  
other hand, are using MySQL. We're actually trying to learn how to  
take form data and dump it into MySQL through a cgi. We have this  
running very effectively from stacks (based upon a stack from Sarah  
Reichelt's site.)


Doe this make sense?

Best,

Dave B.
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Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun



On 26 Apr 2006, at 16:40, Trevor DeVore wrote:


On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:18 AM, David Burgun wrote:
Also, when a newbie buys RunRev and starts to use it, depending on  
their past experience, they have a big task to get their head  
around, a programming language, an IDE and the whole MC concept.  
They really don't want to take on any more at that time.


Just a different perspective on this -

I always search out 3rd party tools once I start using a  
development environment.  I've never developed apps in CodeWarrior,  
but for Director, Flash, etc., the 3rd party providers were doing  
really cool stuff that made my development life easier and more  
productive.  I think some 3rd party tools can make it easier to get  
started in a new dev environment if it simplifies the task the new  
developer is trying to accomplish.


3rd party developers have a great benefit in that they can focus on  
a smaller subset of needs than the application developer can.  The  
3rd party might also have more experience or expertise in a given  
area then the main app developer so they can offer more value in  
that particular area.


True, I totally agree, but if you have to use the 3rd party tools to  
overcome simple problems in the basic product then it's a different  
story.


In my experience 3rd party tools can also have the side effect of  
making the original developer less vigilant in their own product.  
What if there were no 3rd party tools for RunRev and no one was  
interested in developing them? The question you have to ask is how  
much added traffic would there be on this list?


All the Best
Dave



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Re: Mysterious missing messages

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun

Maybe someone should write a custom message eater object that gets  
pinker the more message it consumes!


All the Best
Dave

On 26 Apr 2006, at 17:28, Scott Rossi wrote:


Recently, David Burgun wrote:


even a rogue object... it made me laugh out loud at the idea
of a Rev object making it's cheeks look a bit pinker!



Laughing my Socks Off! Would be an interesting bug!


I've seen the elusive rogue object that eats messages, among other  
things.

I was even able to grab a screenshot of it:

http://tinyurl.com/n24pc

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design
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Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun



On 26 Apr 2006, at 18:12, Richard Gaskin wrote:


David Burgun wrote:

On 25 Apr 2006, at 21:06, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Ton Kuypers  suggested:
 use Constellation?

A good choice. And there's MetaCard, and devolution, and you can   
roll you're own
The problem is for Newbies. If you are learning a new environment  
you  really don't want to add to the learning curve by using 3rd  
party  tools and writing a Script Editor is way too complex a job  
for a  newbie. Besides all that, the reason you use an IDE is to  
take the  sweat out of software development, if you can't trust  
the tools that  come with it, well..


I hear ya', but I have no influence with RunRev.  I can only  
contribute what I can:


I can help maintain a script editor that's pretty much bug-free, I  
can break it out into its own package to make it accessible to  
users of other IDEs, I can enhance it (along with some nifty  
goodies coming from Ken Ray) to make it more useful, and I can even  
give it away -- but I can't put it in the box.


I'm happy to contribute what I can, but my position is not without  
limitations.


Yes, I understand your position. Your products are really good and I  
know that you personally have contributed loads to this technology,  
and, I for one really appreciate it.


Keep up the good work!
All the Best
Dave


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Re: Converting a RunRev App to a Web-Based App?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun



On 26 Apr 2006, at 19:16, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Mark Wieder wrote:

Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 7:50:54 AM, you wrote:
I've just had an enquiry about an application I developed in  
RunRev a
while back. It's basically a small database that contains small   
images, a 2D size and a product code. They would like to convert  
this
to a web based application. How easy/difficult would it be to  
convert

the existing app to run as a web-based app?

Would something like this do the trick?
http://www.fourthworld.com/products/webmerge/index.html


I appreciate the plug, Mark, but in this case I'm not sure it's a  
good fit.


WebMerge is a handy way to quickly publish static web pages (I  
recently sold a 10-pack to the US Library of Congress), but a true  
web application will likely need a live database connection for  
writes, and that's beyond the scope of what WebMerge handles.


Actually maybe not. The database is only updated once in a while and  
the end-user doesn't write to the database at all. This is a kind of  
front-end to the main system. Once the user had selected the images  
they want, a list of the product codes and quantity is generated and  
in the Web-Based app would then processed by the main system.


I'm not sure in WebMerge would be appropriate or not?

What do you think?

All the Best
Dave

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Re: Converting a RunRev App to a Web-Based App?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

AFAIK, they wouldn't mind if the user had to download an application  
from their web-site before they could access the database, in fact I  
think they would rather that then just using a browser. The database  
has to be held on the server though and it has to be accessed via the  
web. I don't know if this makes it easier or not?


Thanks for your help.

All the Best
Dave



On 26 Apr 2006, at 19:31, Trevor DeVore wrote:


On Apr 26, 2006, at 9:09 AM, David Burgun wrote:


Hi Trevor,

It's using mySQL right now, but I could use any SQL based database.

I'm not sure of the server configuration. The app allows you to  
select an image of a certain size or sizes and then it looks it  
shows other images from the database with a compatible size. For  
example:


The user selects ImageA, this image is available in (say) 3 sizes  
512, 1024 and 2048. It will then search the database and find  
images that have the same sizes. It's a little more complex then  
that, but thats really the core of it.


This works just fine in house, but now they want to make it  
available over the web so anyone can go to the page and do the  
same thing. There is no authentication in terms of getting a User  
ID or Password.


At first I was thinking that you just wanted to connect your Rev  
app to the internet but it appears you want to convert this to a  
web browser GUI.


I haven't done any Rev CGI apps but I'm guessing that the only  
thing you can keep from your original project would be the data  
layer (SQL calls).   I would think that everything else (GUI,  
connecting data to GUI) has to be redone to output HTML.  How long  
this will take really depends on the size of the app and what  
languages you know and have available on your web server.



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Re: Copy/Cut/Paste Edit Menu Questions?

2006-04-25 Thread David Burgun


Excellent!

Thanks a lot! Have been away for a few days and have only just caught  
up on my email.


Thanks a Lot
All the Best
Dave

On 22 Apr 2006, at 16:48, J. Landman Gay wrote:


David Burgun wrote:

I should have asked the question differently! What I meant to say   
was, in a menu handler, how can I tell which field is the current   
field, and how can I enable/disable Edit Menu Items based on  
whether  a field is selected or not?


You almost had it: the selectedField.

If no field contains the insertion point, the selectedField returns  
empty. Otherwise you get a field reference.


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Re: script help

2006-04-24 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

This should do it:

on mouseUp
  local myCardCount
  local myCardIndex
  local myImageCount
  local myImageIndex

  put the number of cards in this stack into myCardCount
  repeat with myCardIndex = 1 to myCardCount
put the number of images in card myCardIndex of this stack into  
myImageCount


repeat with myImageIndex = 1 to myImageCount
  set the visible of image myImageIndex of card myCardCount of  
this stack to true

end repeat
  end repeat
end mouseUp

Test it in a button script, I tried it here and it worked fine.

Hope this Helps
All the Best
Dave

On 17 Mar 2006, at 19:21, Ben Bock wrote:

I have a stack that with 141 cards.  40 of the cards have images  
set on a timer :


on openCard
wait 2 seconds
hide image img1
end openCard

I need to make an openStack script that will set the images to  
show.  My usual lowbrow, untrained approach is to hard code it,  
which gets tedious:

on closeCard
show img img1
end closeCard

I want to make a stack script for this easy problem, so that all  
images are set to visible = true or show.  I just can't get it  
right.


on preOpenStack

put the number of cds into cardCount

repeat with x = 1 to cardCount

end repeat

put the number of images into imageCount

repeat with y = 1 to imageCount

end repeat

put the ID of image y of cd x into imageNameList --(something is  
wrong here)


repeat for each line Joe in imageNameList

set the visible of image q to true

end repeat

end preOpenStack



I think part of my problem is that I don't really understand the  
repeat syntax.




1) is there any design flaw using the wait/hide format?

2) How can I re-write the preOpenStack script to do what I want?



 I'll eagerly read any pointers.



Thanks for any help,



Ben




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Re: script help

2006-04-24 Thread David Burgun


Opps! a Typeo crept in!

The line should read:

  set the visible of image myImageIndex of card myCardIndex of  
this stack to true



Actually this would be better written as a function with a parameter  
to specify whether to hind or show the images:



function SetVisibleOfAllImages theVisibleFlag
  local myCardCount
  local myCardIndex
  local myImageCount
  local myImageIndex

  put the number of cards in this stack into myCardCount
  repeat with myCardIndex = 1 to myCardCount
put the number of images in card myCardIndex of this stack into  
myImageCount


repeat with myImageIndex = 1 to myImageCount
  set the visible of image myImageIndex of card myCardIndex of  
this stack to theVisibleFlag

end repeat
  end repeat

end SetVisibleOfAllImages

The call it like this from your preOpenStack or whatever handler:

get SetVisibleForAllImages(true)  --Show All Images


get SetVisibleForAllImages(false)  --Hide All Images


All the Best
Dave

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Re: Copy/Cut/Paste Edit Menu Questions?

2006-04-22 Thread David Burgun



On 21 Apr 2006, at 20:25, Garrett Hylltun wrote:


David Burgun wrote:

Hi,
I've noticed that the copy/cut/paste commands work automatically  
when you use the Command-Key short cuts, e.g. if you have an Text  
Field and you select the text within it, you can copy or paste  
into that field. This seems to work in the IDE and in the  
Standalone. My first question is how/where is this action handled?  
Can I stop this action happening on certain fields?


In the docs, check out

* copyKey message
* cutKey message
* pasteKey message

Example:

on cutKey
  cut
end cutKey



Thanks, I must have missed these somehow.

use the the following (using either IF statements or CASE  
statements) handler in the code for the menu object:


on menuPick varSelected
  if varSelected is Cut then
focus field editfieldnamehere
cut
  else if varSelected is Copy then
focus field editfieldnamehere
copy
  else if varSelected is Paste then
focus field editfieldnamehere
paste
  end if
end menuPick

 from the Edit Menu? And how can you disable/enable the edit menu  
items

 depending on which control has been selected?



I should have asked the question differently! What I meant to say  
was, in a menu handler, how can I tell which field is the current  
field, and how can I enable/disable Edit Menu Items based on whether  
a field is selected or not? Do I need to put an openField/closeField  
handler on each text field and then enable/disable there?


All the Best
Dave









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Re: Stack file format change in 2.7 - BACK UP!

2006-04-21 Thread David Burgun


I hope so! That's great!

All the Best
Dave

On 20 Apr 2006, at 14:36, Geoff Canyon wrote:

I think saving in the pre-2.7 format is available in the upcoming  
release.


gc

On Apr 20, 2006, at 2:41 AM, David Burgun wrote:


Hi All,

I really can't understand all the mystery surrounding this fix  
to allow backwards compatibility. As far as I understand it, there  
is a way to tell the engine to save in the old format or the new  
format, with version 2.7 defaulting to the newer format. That all  
sounds reasonable. What I can't understand is why how to do it is  
a secret? There is a protected IDE plug-in available that allows  
you to save in either format, but since it is protected, the  
details are hidden. There is no real mention of it on the RunRev  
Web Site or in the Documentation as far as I can see. Leaving this  
hanging like this is just bound to lead to problems IMO.  
Problems that could be so easily avoided just by either shipping  
the PlugIn with the release, or having an IDE command or  
preference to select it or by just documenting exactly how to do it.


Anyone have any ideas on this mystery?

All the Best
Dave

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Copy/Cut/Paste Edit Menu Questions?

2006-04-21 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I've noticed that the copy/cut/paste commands work automatically when  
you use the Command-Key short cuts, e.g. if you have an Text Field  
and you select the text within it, you can copy or paste into that  
field. This seems to work in the IDE and in the Standalone. My first  
question is how/where is this action handled? Can I stop this action  
happening on certain fields?


My second question is, how do you handle these commands when selected  
from the Edit Menu? And how can you disable/enable the edit menu  
items depending on which control has been selected?


Any tips on how people have handled this in the past would be greatly  
appreciated.


All the Best
Dave

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Re: Stack file format change in 2.7 - BACK UP!

2006-04-21 Thread David Burgun


Thanks a lot!

All the Best
Dave
On 21 Apr 2006, at 13:51, Pierre Sahores wrote:


This info is from Guy Petinon (french rev list) :


Pour changer la version d'une pile:
ouvri message boxe et taper
set the stackfileversion to 2.5 par exemple à partir
de la version 2.7


To change the stack's version from 2.7 to (as an example) to 2.5 :

just type set the stackfileversion to 2.5 from your 2.7 IDE and  
save the stack !


Best Regards,

Pierre

Le 21 avr. 06 à 13:33, David Burgun a écrit :


I hope so! That's great!

All the Best
Dave

On 20 Apr 2006, at 14:36, Geoff Canyon wrote:

I think saving in the pre-2.7 format is available in the upcoming  
release.


gc

On Apr 20, 2006, at 2:41 AM, David Burgun wrote:


Hi All,

I really can't understand all the mystery surrounding this fix  
to allow backwards compatibility. As far as I understand it,  
there is a way to tell the engine to save in the old format or  
the new format, with version 2.7 defaulting to the newer format.  
That all sounds reasonable. What I can't understand is why how  
to do it is a secret? There is a protected IDE plug-in  
available that allows you to save in either format, but since it  
is protected, the details are hidden. There is no real mention  
of it on the RunRev Web Site or in the Documentation as far as I  
can see. Leaving this hanging like this is just bound to lead  
to problems IMO. Problems that could be so easily avoided just  
by either shipping the PlugIn with the release, or having an IDE  
command or preference to select it or by just documenting  
exactly how to do it.


Anyone have any ideas on this mystery?

All the Best
Dave

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Re: Stack file format change in 2.7 - BACK UP!

2006-04-20 Thread David Burgun


Hi All,

I really can't understand all the mystery surrounding this fix to  
allow backwards compatibility. As far as I understand it, there is a  
way to tell the engine to save in the old format or the new format,  
with version 2.7 defaulting to the newer format. That all sounds  
reasonable. What I can't understand is why how to do it is a  
secret? There is a protected IDE plug-in available that allows you  
to save in either format, but since it is protected, the details are  
hidden. There is no real mention of it on the RunRev Web Site or in  
the Documentation as far as I can see. Leaving this hanging like  
this is just bound to lead to problems IMO. Problems that could be so  
easily avoided just by either shipping the PlugIn with the release,  
or having an IDE command or preference to select it or by just  
documenting exactly how to do it.


Anyone have any ideas on this mystery?

All the Best
Dave


Before I panic everyone on the list for the second time
today, there's a way to back out of this change and make the
stack 2.4 compatible again, but you'll lose any 2.7 features
if you do it. The info was not included in the What's New
file, so I'm not sure if it's okay to post it here. To be
safe, just plan on working on duplicates.



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Re: When does a Stack Actually Die in the IDE???

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

The problem with that is if you have groups or nested groups, you  
then have to loop thru until you find the card or stack.


All the Best
Dave

On 15 Apr 2006, at 13:07, Mark Smith wrote:

Well, you could try using 'the owner of'. I haven't experimented  
with it much, so I don't know how flexible it is.


Best,

Mark
On 15 Apr 2006, at 12:54, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

Thanks a lot for this. One thing that has puzzled me is why you  
can't access things like the stack or card of an object. For  
instance why can't I just do this:


put the short name of the  stack of the long id of me  into  
myStackName


or

put the short name of the  card of the long id of me  myCardName

Which would return the name of the stack/card that the object  
resides in.


It just seems like this ought to work, in fact when I found out  
that RunRev didn't support this I was surprised!


Any ideas why this isn't supported?

All the Best
Dave

On 15 Apr 2006, at 02:33, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Mark Smith wrote:
 I just had a doh! moment  in response to your the short name of
 pStackLongID, but then in order to see how much faster the  
engine  does

 this, I tested it the same way I tested my first tries (which  was
 actually with 1 iterations, not 1000), and

 function stackIsOpen pLongID
   return (the short name of pLongID is among the lines of the  
openstacks)

 end stackIsOpen

 takes nearly 600 ms!

Interesting. I never time these things enough. It looks like if a  
script needs to make repeated calls to the function, then your  
way would be preferable because of the speed increase.


It's been an interesting experiment, I like when the list does  
these things.


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Problem with Edit/Preference Menu Item

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun


Hi All,

I have a Stack that creates a Menu Bar and then Populates the Buttons  
and Items within the Buttons. This works fine except that he  
preferences menu item doesn't seem to be being moved to the App Menu  
correctly. When I look at the menubar, the edit menu still has the  
Preferences... text and a separator as the last two items and if I  
select it, it works fine. There is a Preferences Item in the  
Application Menu but it's disabled.


I've had something like this before using the Menu Builder Tool and I  
eventually resolved it by recreating the Edit Menu. However, since I  
am now doing this dynamically in a script, I don't have that option.  
It's deleted and rebuilt each time the Application is loaded.


Any ideas on how to track this down??

Thanks a Lot
Dave

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Re: When does a Stack Actually Die in the IDE???

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I was really just after some speed. The problem is that this quite a  
common thing to want to do, you can do it, but it means parsing a  
string, which although the solution provided by the wonderful people  
on this list is pretty fast, it's still slow for doing something like  
this, which seems pretty silly really since I assume that this  
information would be almost instantly available in the Engine. I was  
actually considering writing an External Command to do this, but not  
sure how fast that would be and whether the solutions provided thus  
far would be quicker. Any ideas???


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 18 Apr 2006, at 13:18, Mark Smith wrote:

I see what you mean. Maybe what's needed is a library of functions  
to deal with this sort of thing.


Mark

On 18 Apr 2006, at 10:34, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

The problem with that is if you have groups or nested groups, you  
then have to loop thru until you find the card or stack.


All the Best
Dave

On 15 Apr 2006, at 13:07, Mark Smith wrote:

Well, you could try using 'the owner of'. I haven't experimented  
with it much, so I don't know how flexible it is.


Best,

Mark
On 15 Apr 2006, at 12:54, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

Thanks a lot for this. One thing that has puzzled me is why you  
can't access things like the stack or card of an object. For  
instance why can't I just do this:


put the short name of the  stack of the long id of me  into  
myStackName


or

put the short name of the  card of the long id of me  myCardName

Which would return the name of the stack/card that the object  
resides in.


It just seems like this ought to work, in fact when I found out  
that RunRev didn't support this I was surprised!


Any ideas why this isn't supported?

All the Best
Dave

On 15 Apr 2006, at 02:33, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Mark Smith wrote:
 I just had a doh! moment  in response to your the short name of
 pStackLongID, but then in order to see how much faster the  
engine  does
 this, I tested it the same way I tested my first tries  
(which  was

 actually with 1 iterations, not 1000), and

 function stackIsOpen pLongID
   return (the short name of pLongID is among the lines of the  
openstacks)

 end stackIsOpen

 takes nearly 600 ms!

Interesting. I never time these things enough. It looks like if  
a script needs to make repeated calls to the function, then  
your way would be preferable because of the speed increase.


It's been an interesting experiment, I like when the list does  
these things.


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Re: When does a Stack Actually Die in the IDE???

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I tried this:

function stackIsOpen1 pLongID
  return (the short name of pLongID is among the lines of the  
openstacks)

end stackIsOpen

was, by my measurement, 4 times slower than

function stackIsOpen2 pLongID
  set the itemDelimiter to /
  return (char 1 to -6 of item -1 of pLongID) is among the lines of   
the openStack

end stackIsOpen

on mouseUp
if stackIsOpen1(the long id of me) then
  beep
end if

if stackIsOpen2(the long id of me) then
  beep
end if
end mouseUp

And both functions always return false! stackIsOpen1() since it takes  
the short name of the button rather than the stack and stackIsOpen2  
since the short name of the stack is not the same as the file name of  
the stack.


The only way I've found to do it is like this:

 


--
--  ISMGetStackShortName
--
 


function ISMGetStackShortName theObjectLongID
  local myStackFilePathName
  put value(word wordoffset(stack,theObjectLongID )+ 1 of  
theObjectLongID) into myStackFilePathName


  return the short name of stack myStackFilePathName
end ISMGetStackShortName

if ISMGetStackShortName(theObjectLongID) is not among the lines of  
openStacks then


end if


All the Best
Dave

On 18 Apr 2006, at 14:07, Mark Smith wrote:


Well, since

function stackIsOpen pLongID
  return (the short name of pLongID is among the lines of the  
openstacks)

end stackIsOpen

was, by my measurement, 4 times slower than

function stackIsOpen pLongID
  set the itemDelimiter to /
  return (char 1 to -6 of item -1 of pLongID) is among the lines  
of  the openStack

end stackIsOpen

I wouldn't assume that the engines routines for getting short names  
etc, are going to be faster than string slicing.


I've no idea what kind of overhead there is in calling externals,  
and it'd have to be a pretty good external to beat Rev's string  
handling, I think...


Best,

Mark

On 18 Apr 2006, at 13:28, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

I was really just after some speed. The problem is that this quite  
a common thing to want to do, you can do it, but it means parsing  
a string, which although the solution provided by the wonderful  
people on this list is pretty fast, it's still slow for doing  
something like this, which seems pretty silly really since I  
assume that this information would be almost instantly available  
in the Engine. I was actually considering writing an External  
Command to do this, but not sure how fast that would be and  
whether the solutions provided thus far would be quicker. Any  
ideas???


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 18 Apr 2006, at 13:18, Mark Smith wrote:

I see what you mean. Maybe what's needed is a library of  
functions to deal with this sort of thing.


Mark

On 18 Apr 2006, at 10:34, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

The problem with that is if you have groups or nested groups,  
you then have to loop thru until you find the card or stack.


All the Best
Dave

On 15 Apr 2006, at 13:07, Mark Smith wrote:

Well, you could try using 'the owner of'. I haven't  
experimented with it much, so I don't know how flexible it is.


Best,

Mark
On 15 Apr 2006, at 12:54, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

Thanks a lot for this. One thing that has puzzled me is why  
you can't access things like the stack or card of an object.  
For instance why can't I just do this:


put the short name of the  stack of the long id of me  into  
myStackName


or

put the short name of the  card of the long id of me  myCardName

Which would return the name of the stack/card that the object  
resides in.


It just seems like this ought to work, in fact when I found  
out that RunRev didn't support this I was surprised!


Any ideas why this isn't supported?

All the Best
Dave

On 15 Apr 2006, at 02:33, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Mark Smith wrote:
 I just had a doh! moment  in response to your the short  
name of
 pStackLongID, but then in order to see how much faster the  
engine  does
 this, I tested it the same way I tested my first tries  
(which  was

 actually with 1 iterations, not 1000), and

 function stackIsOpen pLongID
   return (the short name of pLongID is among the lines of  
the openstacks)

 end stackIsOpen

 takes nearly 600 ms!

Interesting. I never time these things enough. It looks like  
if a script needs to make repeated calls to the function,  
then your way would be preferable because of the speed increase.


It's been an interesting experiment, I like when the list  
does these things.


--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HyperActive Software   | http:// 
www.hyperactivesw.com

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Re: When does a Stack Actually Die in the IDE???

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I have a stack called s1.rev, the short name of the stack is  
untitled 1. If I run this:


on mouseUp
local myStackName

  set the itemDelimiter to /
  put (char 1 to -6 of item -1 of the long id of me) into myStackName,

end mouseUp

and step thru it in the debugger, then myStackName is set to s1  
which is the file name, not the short name (set in the Stack Property  
Inspector). If I do a put openStacks in the message box, I get this  
list:


Message Box
revMenubar
revScriptEditor 1
revVariableWatcher
Untitled 1
revTools

s1 is not among the openStacks, but Untitled 1 is!

if I run the following:

  local myStackFilePathName
  put value(word wordoffset(stack,the long id of me ) + 1 of the  
long id of me) into myStackFilePathName

put the short name of stack myStackFilePathName into myStackName

Then myStackName is set to Untitled 1 and so it finds it ok in the  
list returned by openStacks.


Do you get the same results? I'm running RunRev 2.6.6 MacOS 10.4.6

All the Best
Dave

On 18 Apr 2006, at 15:09, Mark Smith wrote:

stackIsOpen2 takes the long id of an object, gets the short name of  
the stack the object is in, and then checks whether or not it's  
among the lines of the openStacks - which is a list of the short  
names of all currently open stacks, not their file names.


It seems to work perfectly well, here ( I assume the listing below  
is not your actual script, there are typos ).


Best,

Mark

On 18 Apr 2006, at 14:55, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

I tried this:

function stackIsOpen1 pLongID
  return (the short name of pLongID is among the lines of the  
openstacks)

end stackIsOpen

was, by my measurement, 4 times slower than

function stackIsOpen2 pLongID
  set the itemDelimiter to /
  return (char 1 to -6 of item -1 of pLongID) is among the lines  
of  the openStack

end stackIsOpen

on mouseUp
if stackIsOpen1(the long id of me) then
  beep
end if

if stackIsOpen2(the long id of me) then
  beep
end if
end mouseUp

And both functions always return false! stackIsOpen1() since it  
takes the short name of the button rather than the stack and  
stackIsOpen2 since the short name of the stack is not the same as  
the file name of the stack.


The only way I've found to do it is like this:

- 
---

--
--  ISMGetStackShortName
--
- 
---

function ISMGetStackShortName theObjectLongID
  local myStackFilePathName
  put value(word wordoffset(stack,theObjectLongID )+ 1 of  
theObjectLongID) into myStackFilePathName


  return the short name of stack myStackFilePathName
end ISMGetStackShortName

if ISMGetStackShortName(theObjectLongID) is not among the lines of  
openStacks then


end if


All the Best
Dave

On 18 Apr 2006, at 14:07, Mark Smith wrote:


Well, since

function stackIsOpen pLongID
  return (the short name of pLongID is among the lines of the  
openstacks)

end stackIsOpen

was, by my measurement, 4 times slower than

function stackIsOpen pLongID
  set the itemDelimiter to /
  return (char 1 to -6 of item -1 of pLongID) is among the lines  
of  the openStack

end stackIsOpen

I wouldn't assume that the engines routines for getting short  
names etc, are going to be faster than string slicing.


I've no idea what kind of overhead there is in calling externals,  
and it'd have to be a pretty good external to beat Rev's string  
handling, I think...


Best,

Mark

On 18 Apr 2006, at 13:28, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

I was really just after some speed. The problem is that this  
quite a common thing to want to do, you can do it, but it means  
parsing a string, which although the solution provided by the  
wonderful people on this list is pretty fast, it's still slow  
for doing something like this, which seems pretty silly really  
since I assume that this information would be almost instantly  
available in the Engine. I was actually considering writing an  
External Command to do this, but not sure how fast that would be  
and whether the solutions provided thus far would be quicker.  
Any ideas???


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 18 Apr 2006, at 13:18, Mark Smith wrote:

I see what you mean. Maybe what's needed is a library of  
functions to deal with this sort of thing.


Mark

On 18 Apr 2006, at 10:34, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

The problem with that is if you have groups or nested groups,  
you then have to loop thru until you find the card or stack.


All the Best
Dave

On 15 Apr 2006, at 13:07, Mark Smith wrote:

Well, you could try using 'the owner of'. I haven't  
experimented with it much, so I don't know how flexible it is.


Best,

Mark
On 15 Apr 2006, at 12:54, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

Thanks a lot for this. One thing that has puzzled me is why  
you can't access things like the stack or card of an object.  
For instance why can't I just do this:


put the short name of the  stack of the long id of me  into  
myStackName

Re: Looping

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

In general, you just create a number of loops! Like so:


repeat with myLineCount = 1 to the number of lines in myList
--
--  LineCount will now be set to 1, 2, 3, etc. until the end of the  
list is reached, so

--
put line myLineCount of myList into myLineText

--
--  Will put the text of the line specified by myLineCount into  
myLineText, if you now wanted to loop thru each 
--  of the characters in myLineText, you would just do this:

--
repeat with myCharCount = 1 to the number of chars in myLineText
put char myCharCount of myLineText into myChar
if myChar = A then
 beep
end if
end repeat
end repeat

You can do this with items, lines, characters etc, you just specify  
the type of container you are accessing (e.g. line, item, word, char,  
etc.).


You can also use this form of repeat

repeat with each line myLineText in myList

-- This just sets myLineText to each line in myList starting at the  
beginning.


end repeat

Hope this Helps
All the Best
Dave

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Re: When does a Stack Actually Die in the IDE???

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun


Yeah!

How do you time things? For instance, how long does a:

put the short name of this stack into myStackName take?

Since I wouldn't have thought that a:

put the short name of the stack of me into myStackName

wouldn't take a lot longer (if it were possible!).

Since (again I assume) when you make a reference to this stack or  
me then the engine can quickly look up the value rather than  
processing a string.


All the Best
Dave

On 18 Apr 2006, at 15:53, Mark Smith wrote:

Ah, I see what you mean. I made the assumption (when will I learn?)  
that the file name would be a superset of the stack name.
Which is a shame, where speed matters, as getting the short name  
from the engine is quite a bit slower than simply parsing the file  
name.


Best,

Mark

On 18 Apr 2006, at 15:37, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

I have a stack called s1.rev, the short name of the stack is  
untitled 1. If I run this:


on mouseUp
local myStackName

  set the itemDelimiter to /
  put (char 1 to -6 of item -1 of the long id of me) into  
myStackName,


end mouseUp

and step thru it in the debugger, then myStackName is set to s1  
which is the file name, not the short name (set in the Stack  
Property Inspector). If I do a put openStacks in the message box,  
I get this list:


Message Box
revMenubar
revScriptEditor 1
revVariableWatcher
Untitled 1
revTools

s1 is not among the openStacks, but Untitled 1 is!

if I run the following:

  local myStackFilePathName
  put value(word wordoffset(stack,the long id of me ) + 1 of the  
long id of me) into myStackFilePathName

put the short name of stack myStackFilePathName into myStackName

Then myStackName is set to Untitled 1 and so it finds it ok in  
the list returned by openStacks.


Do you get the same results? I'm running RunRev 2.6.6 MacOS 10.4.6

All the Best
Dave

On 18 Apr 2006, at 15:09, Mark Smith wrote:

stackIsOpen2 takes the long id of an object, gets the short name  
of the stack the object is in, and then checks whether or not  
it's among the lines of the openStacks - which is a list of the  
short names of all currently open stacks, not their file names.


It seems to work perfectly well, here ( I assume the listing  
below is not your actual script, there are typos ).


Best,

Mark

On 18 Apr 2006, at 14:55, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

I tried this:

function stackIsOpen1 pLongID
  return (the short name of pLongID is among the lines of the  
openstacks)

end stackIsOpen

was, by my measurement, 4 times slower than

function stackIsOpen2 pLongID
  set the itemDelimiter to /
  return (char 1 to -6 of item -1 of pLongID) is among the lines  
of  the openStack

end stackIsOpen

on mouseUp
if stackIsOpen1(the long id of me) then
  beep
end if

if stackIsOpen2(the long id of me) then
  beep
end if
end mouseUp

And both functions always return false! stackIsOpen1() since it  
takes the short name of the button rather than the stack and  
stackIsOpen2 since the short name of the stack is not the same  
as the file name of the stack.


The only way I've found to do it is like this:

--- 
-

--
--  ISMGetStackShortName
--
--- 
-

function ISMGetStackShortName theObjectLongID
  local myStackFilePathName
  put value(word wordoffset(stack,theObjectLongID )+ 1 of  
theObjectLongID) into myStackFilePathName


  return the short name of stack myStackFilePathName
end ISMGetStackShortName

if ISMGetStackShortName(theObjectLongID) is not among the lines  
of openStacks then


end if


All the Best
Dave

On 18 Apr 2006, at 14:07, Mark Smith wrote:


Well, since

function stackIsOpen pLongID
  return (the short name of pLongID is among the lines of the  
openstacks)

end stackIsOpen

was, by my measurement, 4 times slower than

function stackIsOpen pLongID
  set the itemDelimiter to /
  return (char 1 to -6 of item -1 of pLongID) is among the  
lines of  the openStack

end stackIsOpen

I wouldn't assume that the engines routines for getting short  
names etc, are going to be faster than string slicing.


I've no idea what kind of overhead there is in calling  
externals, and it'd have to be a pretty good external to beat  
Rev's string handling, I think...


Best,

Mark

On 18 Apr 2006, at 13:28, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

I was really just after some speed. The problem is that this  
quite a common thing to want to do, you can do it, but it  
means parsing a string, which although the solution provided  
by the wonderful people on this list is pretty fast, it's  
still slow for doing something like this, which seems pretty  
silly really since I assume that this information would be  
almost instantly available in the Engine. I was actually  
considering writing an External Command to do this, but not  
sure how fast that would be and whether the solutions provided  
thus far would be quicker. Any ideas???


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

Re: Problem with Edit/Preference Menu Item

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I meant to say that the Apple Menu and the Help Menu are handled ok  
and work just fine, it's just the preference item that is causing  
problems. I've been looking at this on and off for over 5 hours now  
and I just can't seem to make this work as documented.


All the Best
Dave


On 18 Apr 2006, at 13:20, David Burgun wrote:


Hi All,

I have a Stack that creates a Menu Bar and then Populates the  
Buttons and Items within the Buttons. This works fine except that  
he preferences menu item doesn't seem to be being moved to the App  
Menu correctly. When I look at the menubar, the edit menu still has  
the Preferences... text and a separator as the last two items and  
if I select it, it works fine. There is a Preferences Item in the  
Application Menu but it's disabled.


I've had something like this before using the Menu Builder Tool and  
I eventually resolved it by recreating the Edit Menu. However,  
since I am now doing this dynamically in a script, I don't have  
that option. It's deleted and rebuilt each time the Application is  
loaded.


Any ideas on how to track this down??

Thanks a Lot
Dave

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Re: When does a Stack Actually Die in the IDE???

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun



On 18 Apr 2006, at 16:29, Mark Smith wrote:


I time things like this by putting them in a loop:


put the millisecs into stTime
repeat 1 -- for example
  put the short name of this stack into myStackName
end repeat
put the millisecs - stTime

on my machine, this takes 11 millsecs.

But where the engine seemed slower than string slicing, I was  
passing the long id of an object to a function, and in that case,  
parsing the ID seemed to be quicker than 'get the short name of..',  
by a factor of 3 or 4. Obviously, this would only matter if you  
were doing something many thousands of times, but you said you were  
concerned about it being slow... :)


Yes, I am! This is called in a loop and I really want to get he  
maximum speed out of it


I just ran the following code:

constant kRepeatCount=1

on mouseUp
  local myStartTime
  local myEndTime
  local myStackName
  local myShortNameTime1
  local myShortNameTime2
  local myShortNameTime3
  local myRepeatTime
  local myStackLongID
  local myStackFileName

  --
  --  Calculate the time for just the repeat loop
  --
  put the millisecs into myStartTime
  repeat kRepeatCount
  end repeat
  put the millisecs - myStartTime into myRepeatTime

  --
  --  Calculate the time for getting the short name of this stack
  --
  put the millisecs into myStartTime
  repeat kRepeatCount
put the short name of this stack into myStackName
  end repeat
  put the millisecs - myStartTime into myShortNameTime1


  put the long id of this stack into myStackLongID
  put the millisecs into myStartTime
  repeat kRepeatCount
put the short name of myStackLongID into myStackName
  end repeat
  put the millisecs - myStartTime into myShortNameTime2

  put the fileName of this stack into myStackFileName
  put the millisecs into myStartTime
  repeat kRepeatCount
put the short name of stack myStackFileName into myStackName
  end repeat
  put the millisecs - myStartTime into myShortNameTime3

  put myRepeatTime  myShortNameTime1  myShortNameTime2   
myShortNameTime3

end mouseUp

The figures I got are as follows:

1 7 58 12

so it looks like dereferencing the stack long ID is taking a really  
long time in comparison with getting the stack short name via the  
this stack syntax (which is what I guessed), but I was a bit  
stunned that doing it via the file name is way quicker than using the  
long id.


Weird, huh?
All the Best
Dave

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Re: Problem with Edit/Preference Menu Item

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

Tried it but it made no difference, the other special menu items  
work ok, one of the differences is that (according to the docs)  with  
the Edit/Preferences item, it checks for the item starting  
Preferences, I am wondering if it's comparing incorrectly. I cut  
and pasted the Preferences text from one that was made by the menu  
builder.


I get the same problem in the standalone too if that's any help.

All the Best
Dave


Sometimes you need to force a menu update. Try:

  lock menus
  -- do menu swap stuff
  unlock menus


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Re: Save As... not working

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun

Yes, I have had it do this Under 2.6.6 on Mac, I got around by  
reinstalling RunRev. I don't tend to use it now, I find it easier to  
dupe the file in the finder, guess it's different on Windows?


All the Best
Dave



On 18 Apr 2006, at 17:16, Preston Shea wrote:

The Save As... function on my Rev. 2.7 running under XP home has  
ceased to operate. Has anyone else experienced this anomaly?

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Re: Problems with revcopyfile

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun


Try doing this:

  if it is empty then exit mouseUp
put it  / into filePath

IOW, add a / to the end of the file path.

I think that should make it work.

All the Best
Dave


On 30 Mar 2006, at 21:36, Jonathan Kotthoff wrote:

This does not seem like it should be this hard...I must be missing  
something...i am running 2.7 making a simple stack that will copy a  
file to a target on Winows XP and Mac OS X.4...


here is the code:

on mouseUp
  -- bring up a standard system save as file selector

  ask file Save file as:
-- if the user cancels, exit without saving
  if it is empty then exit mouseUp
  -- put it into filePath
  put it into filePath
-- Copy file
 revCopyFile /Content/rubyonrails.pdf,filePath
end mouseUp

no file is copied to the target folder however...

anybody have an example of a stack that copies or an explanation

Thanks in advance...

Jonathan
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Re: Problem with Edit/Preference Menu Item

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun


Hi Again,

I've been at this at least 7 hours now and I just can't think of  
anything else to try. There really isn't much that can go wrong  
script wise. As far as I can tell this just plain doesn't work! If  
the docs told you a little more it might be possible to try to track  
the problem down but as it is


Guess I'll just have to ship this App with a disabled Preferences  
Item in the Application Menu and an Enabled Preferences Item in the  
Edit menu, I hate doing it,  but I don't have any other choice.


All the Best
Dave

On 18 Apr 2006, at 16:13, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

I meant to say that the Apple Menu and the Help Menu are handled ok  
and work just fine, it's just the preference item that is causing  
problems. I've been looking at this on and off for over 5 hours now  
and I just can't seem to make this work as documented.


All the Best
Dave


On 18 Apr 2006, at 13:20, David Burgun wrote:


Hi All,

I have a Stack that creates a Menu Bar and then Populates the  
Buttons and Items within the Buttons. This works fine except that  
he preferences menu item doesn't seem to be being moved to the App  
Menu correctly. When I look at the menubar, the edit menu still  
has the Preferences... text and a separator as the last two  
items and if I select it, it works fine. There is a Preferences  
Item in the Application Menu but it's disabled.


I've had something like this before using the Menu Builder Tool  
and I eventually resolved it by recreating the Edit Menu. However,  
since I am now doing this dynamically in a script, I don't have  
that option. It's deleted and rebuilt each time the Application is  
loaded.


Any ideas on how to track this down??

Thanks a Lot
Dave

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Re: Problems with revcopyfile

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun


Opps! That won't work either, I think that should do it tho:

ask file Save File As:
if it = empty then exit mouseUp
put it into myFilePathName
set the itemDelimiter to /
put item -1 of myFilePathName into myFileName
put myFilePathName into myFolderPathName
put empty into item -1 of myFolderPathName

if there is not a folder myFolderPathName then
  create folder myFolderPathName
end if

revCopyFile  /Content/rubyonrails.pdf, myFolderPathName
rename file myFilePathName to myFileName

Hope this Helps
All the Best
Dave

 


Try doing this:

  if it is empty then exit mouseUp
put it  / into filePath

IOW, add a / to the end of the file path.

I think that should make it work.

All the Best
Dave


On 30 Mar 2006, at 21:36, Jonathan Kotthoff wrote:

This does not seem like it should be this hard...I must be missing  
something...i am running 2.7 making a simple stack that will copy a  
file to a target on Winows XP and Mac OS X.4...


here is the code:

on mouseUp
  -- bring up a standard system save as file selector

  ask file Save file as:
-- if the user cancels, exit without saving
  if it is empty then exit mouseUp
  -- put it into filePath
  put it into filePath
-- Copy file
 revCopyFile /Content/rubyonrails.pdf,filePath
end mouseUp

no file is copied to the target folder however...

anybody have an example of a stack that copies or an explanation

Thanks in advance...

Jonathan
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Re: How to manage memory load in standalone substacks?

2006-04-18 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I think you'd be better off holder the video clips in a separate file  
and loading them dynamically when you need them. Apart from anything  
else it will be hard to ship a 75+ MB Stack File!


I can give you some pointers if you need them.

All the Best
Dave

On 18 Apr 2006, at 19:49, Ben Bock wrote:

I have to build a standalone, and I'm now working on the splash  
screen and management scripts for the 10 substacks.  Some of the  
substacks are ~75 MB, and one has 5 different videoclip players. 
I don't want to use up all RAM, and don't understand the ins and  
outs of the substacks in a standalone.  I will need to open the 5  
videoclips at different times throughout the standalone.  Does a  
Rev standalone only load these when needed, or load all substacks  
when the splash screen is opened?  How do you limit what opens to  
save RAM and avoid slowing?


I would like something along the lines of this in the last card of  
the splash screen, which might be buggy:


on mouseUp
close this stack
open stack videoclips -- But I only want a single videoclip to  
load at a time

go card video 1 of stack videoclips --and have the videoclip load
end mouseUp

--then the player plays the clip, the player script:

on playStopped

hide me

end playStopped

lock messages

-- prevent sending playStopped down the line

unlock messages

close stack videoclips



I suspect the answer is easy, but I haven't find straight answers  
in searching the docs.  I may have made several mistakes in these  
scripts, I'm still new with Rev.


thanks for any help,

Ben
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Re: Starting up a script in safe mode

2006-04-15 Thread David Burgun


You can do it from the message box. Type this:

answer file Stack File;edit the script of stack it

If it's in the Stack Script or

 answer file Stack File;edit the script of card 1 of stack it

or you could just add a script to a button:

on mouseUp
 answer file Stack File
 edit the script of card 1 of stack it
end mouseUp


Hope this helps
All the Best
Dave




On 15 Apr 2006, at 05:08, Robert Sneidar wrote:

After following the tutorial for Valentina and creating a sample  
stack, I put the function to create the database in the openStack  
handler. Now the stack crashes Revolution to desktop every time I  
open it. I am sure my scripting must have a bug. Is there a way to  
easily open a stack without executing the openStack handler? If  
not, this would be a really good thing to add in your next release.  
Some kind of key combo or menu option maybe. I suppose I could have  
another stack copy the stack script and then set it to nothing, but  
it seems like a hassle.


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Re: When does a Stack Actually Die in the IDE???

2006-04-15 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

Thanks a lot for this. One thing that has puzzled me is why you can't  
access things like the stack or card of an object. For instance why  
can't I just do this:


put the short name of the  stack of the long id of me  into myStackName

or

put the short name of the  card of the long id of me  myCardName

Which would return the name of the stack/card that the object resides  
in.


It just seems like this ought to work, in fact when I found out that  
RunRev didn't support this I was surprised!


Any ideas why this isn't supported?

All the Best
Dave

On 15 Apr 2006, at 02:33, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Mark Smith wrote:
 I just had a doh! moment  in response to your the short name of
 pStackLongID, but then in order to see how much faster the  
engine  does

 this, I tested it the same way I tested my first tries (which  was
 actually with 1 iterations, not 1000), and

 function stackIsOpen pLongID
   return (the short name of pLongID is among the lines of the  
openstacks)

 end stackIsOpen

 takes nearly 600 ms!

Interesting. I never time these things enough. It looks like if a  
script needs to make repeated calls to the function, then your way  
would be preferable because of the speed increase.


It's been an interesting experiment, I like when the list does  
these things.


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Re: How to stop screen flicker

2006-04-14 Thread David Burgun


Hi,
Hi,

The problem is that the stack that is called can save itself, in that  
case, if it's been opened via a go invisible command then it save's  
it's state as invisible and so doesn't display when it's warm-started.


I'm not actually showing  the stack as such, I'm just restoring  
it's previous state, which has the same effect if the stack was  
visible to start with.


I think that the only way around it is to have a show me in the  
Warm Start handler inside each stack, unless you have any other ideas?


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 8 Apr 2006, at 13:26, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Why then is there a need to show the stack? You can go invisible to  
the stack, change all properties, and close the stack, without  
showing and flashing the window. If there really is a need to issue  
a show command, set the window off-screen first. Please, let us  
know whether this solves your problem.


Mark

David Burgun wrote:
The loop is part of a cold-start up process, I want to run all  
the  stacks qualifying stacks in a folder in ColdStart mode,  
this allows  each stack to reset it's properties etc. to the  
Factory default.  It's a little more complex than this, but that  
basically it.
Once the Cold-Start has completed, I then re-open the Main   
Application stack (the one that reported it's Main status  
during  Cold-Start procedure). It then starts running in Warm- 
Start mode,  and from that point onwards it will start up in warm  
start mode. The  ColdStart Stack checks for a file in it's folder  
when it's run, if  it's there it cold-starts and removes the file,  
if it's not it warm  starts.

All the Best
Dave


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Re: problems with find command

2006-04-14 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

Yes, there are numerous problems with the Find Command. Do you mean  
the Global Find or the one in the Script Editor?


You could try fiddling with the settings in the prefs, failing that,  
if you want to be 100% sure of finding everything you are looking for  
then the best bet is to paste the scripts or whatever into a  
CodeWarroir or XCode or MS-Office or Text Edit window, do the search/ 
replace and then paste it back into RunRev. That's what I generally do.


Have a Great Weekend,
All the Best
Dave


On 14 Apr 2006, at 11:55, Martin Meili wrote:


I'm having problems with the find command.
I've got a a text field with a lot of names. Each name is on a  
single line and the data is clean, so, no spaces, no tabs and so on……
Using the find command the result is not found (!!), even though  
you can see in the text field that the result should be  
empty (the name is marked as found !!).


Has anybody had the same problems and how can I fix it? Might it be  
a bug?


Cheers
Martin
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When does a Stack Actually Die in the IDE???

2006-04-14 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I have a stack that has:

destroyStack, destroyWindow set to true.

However, when I close it in the IDE (and maybe the standalone,  
haven't tried it?) it seems to still be around, by this I mean that:


if exists(theObjectLongID) = true then

end if

Succeeds and you can call objects inside that stack.

 I then closed it with Close and Remove from Memory command, but  
the exists() function still returns true.


Is this normal behavior? If so, is there a way if I can tell if an  
Object is in a closed stack?


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

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Re: When does a Stack Actually Die in the IDE???

2006-04-14 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

The problem is that I only have the long id of an object, to get the  
stack name from this I have to parse the long id as a string, which I  
can do, but it's slow.


Any Ideas?

All the Best
Dave

On 14 Apr 2006, at 13:10, Chipp Walters wrote:


Hi David,

Close and Delete from memory should do the trick. Instead of exists 
(), try checking the openStacks function. I believe the engine  
keeps track of all stacks it has opened in a given session,  
regardless and that's why it appears in exists(). I use this  
feature to 'relaunch' a splashscreen stack from a mainstack if i  
need to.



best,

Chipp

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Re: startup question

2006-04-13 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

One way of doing it is like this:



  put stack   quote  myStackFilePath  LibStack.rev  quote  
into myTempStackFilePathName
  get value(LibStartUsing(  theParam1  ,  theParam2   
),myTempStackFilePathName)


Then in LibStack:

function LibStartUsing theParam1, theParam2
start using me
end LibStartUsing

That way the Stack is loaded before the start using is actually run.

Hope this helps
All the Best
Dave


On 13 Apr 2006, at 02:32, Stephen Barncard wrote:


I have a chicken-and-egg situation..

I have a stack startup handler that works fine until it does a  
'start using' for a library stack, and then immediately needs to  
use a handler in that stack just included.


What happens is that the code keeps marching along, the lib isn't  
active yet... and --- error.


I've put a 'wait 30 ticks' then a 'wait 60 ticks' before  
continuing. Not long enough? I know, I know, cheesy too.


What's the best way to allow the lib to load.. and how do I wait or  
hold for it?

I know there's an 'librarystack' message..

thanks.

sqb
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Re: Using 'try'

2006-04-13 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

A try statement will catch an occurrence of a throw. The throw  
can be performed anywhere in the engine or from one of your own  
handlers/functions. If an exception is 'thrown and there is no  
try structure in place, then an execution error will be generated  
(e.g. the Engine or IDE catches the error). In the case below, Mark  
didn't care what the exception actually was, he just wanted it to be  
caught so as not to cause an execution error or corrupt or the  
forecolor. Just using the try without the corresponding catch is  
allowed and is just shorthand for:


try
do something
catch myError
end try

You can use try/catch and throw in your own scripts to make it easier  
to handle errors or make it easier to debug. Say you had a number of  
functions that all call each other and any one of them can generate  
an error, there are two main ways of handling this:


1.  Returning Error Codes.

on mouseUP
put Func1() into myErrorCode
if myErrorCode != 0 then
  answer ErrorCode:  myErrorCode
  exit mouseUp
end if

function Func1
if something isn't right then return 1

put Func2() into myErrorCode
if myErrorCode != 0 then return myErrorCode

return 0
end Func1

function Func2
if something isn't right then return 2

put Func3() into myErrorCode
if myErrorCode != 0 then return myErrorCode

return 0
end Func2

function Func3
if something isn't right then return 3

return 0
end Func3


2 Using Throw and Catch.

on mouseUP
try
   get Func1()

catch myErrorCode
  answer ErrorCode:  myErrorCode
  exit mouseUp
end try
end mouseUp

function Func1
if something isn't right then throw 1

get Func2() myErrorCode

return 0
end Func1

function Func2
if something isn't right then throw 2

get Func3()

return 0
end Func2

function Func3
if something isn't right then throw 3

return 0
end Func3

Hope this Helps
All the Best
Dave

On 13 Apr 2006, at 08:28, Graham Samuel wrote:

In the very interesting discussion on Custom Properties, Mark  
Wieder introduced this example



setProp NewValue pValue
  try
if pValue  0 then
  set the foreColor of me to red
else
  set the foreColor of me to empty
end if
  end try
  put pValue into me
end NewValue


I think I get the idea, but Mark, why did you use 'try'? It would  
not occur to me to do this - indeed I don't think I've ever used  
'try', which if I understand correctly, allows the script to  
capture an error rather than handing it to the RR engine: but that  
involves 'catch' doesn't it? Is there any advantage to using 'try'  
the way you did?


Just curious - there's so much I don't know!

Graham


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Re: Custom Properties

2006-04-13 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I don't see what is to be gained using setProp's in this example?  
Surely:


function setEditMode pMode
  if pMode then
enable button Save
enable button TextColor
set the lockText of fld myfld to true
set the traversalOn of fld myFld to true
  else
disable button Save
disable button TextColor
set the lockText of fld myfld to false
set the traversalOn of fld myFld to false
  end if
end setEditMode

---

get setEditMode(true/false)

Would do the same job with less lines of code and be much easier to  
follow?


All the Best
Dave




On 12 Apr 2006, at 22:26, Devin Asay wrote:
The way I use it is much more pedestrian than the Marks'. For me  
it's a really easy way to make sure my interface objects get set to  
the proper states. For example, let's say I want to toggle between  
an 'editable' and 'noneditable' mode for a text editor:


setProp editMode pMode
  if pMode then
enable button Save
enable button TextColor
set the lockText of fld myfld to true
set the traversalOn of fld myFld to true
  else
disable button Save
disable button TextColor
set the lockText of fld myfld to false
set the traversalOn of fld myFld to false
  end if
  pass editMode -- the docs say you have to explicitly pass it to  
have it set the prop

end editMode

Anyway, this is a crude example, but illustrates how it's been most  
useful to me. There may be several events in my program that could  
trigger a change in edit mode for this field, but in each case all  
I'd have to do would be to


  set the editMode of cd editor to true ## or false

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Weird and Horrible Problem??!!

2006-04-13 Thread David Burgun


Hi All,

I have some code that does this:

put KindStart into myKind

Then, later on it does this:

switch myKind

case KindStart
..
break
end switch

The problem is that it never hits the case KindStart statement. I  
put a breakpoint in the Script that does the switch and the variable  
is set to KindStart, but it doesn't hit the case statement.


Perplexed and after a lot of mucking around, I did this:

put DATA1 into gArray[myKind]

When I set the variable.

and

put gArray[theKind]  into myData

When I switch. However, the above sets myData to empty (although  
looking at the array in the debugger, there *IS* an entry for  
KindStart and it's DATA1 as expected


I then do:

put DATA2 into gArray[myKind]

And when I look at the Array, there are now *TWO* entries that read  
KindStart,DATA1 and KindStart,DATA2!!


How can an array have *two* identical entries??? My guess is that  
they are not identical and that I just can't see the difference using  
the debugger?? Maybe some non-displayable data got in there some how?  
The Kind could be stored in a Custom Property is that makes any  
difference.


Any Tips on how to track down what is going wrong here would be  
greatly appreciated.


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



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Re: Where to Store Libraries and Other Files in 2.7?

2006-04-13 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I don't put anything at all RunRev folder, I assume that the  
libraries will be in the same folder as the stack(s) that use them. I  
locate them dynamically by getting the file of the current stack and  
replacing the last item with the library name. You have to use the  
copy panel of the standalone startup window in order to copy them  
into the right place when building a standalone.


All the Best
Dave



On 12 Apr 2006, at 22:45, Dan Shafer wrote:


With the new directory structure supported by Rev 2.7, where is the
recommended place to store stacks and libraries that have  
heretofore said
they should be installed in the same folder as the Rev app? This  
clearly
won't work well as upgrades take place with the new way Rev handles  
updates.


I'm not at all sure which (if any) such stacks and libraries I'm  
talking
about. I just know that my Rev app folder is full of stuff that I  
may want

to be able to use again someday.

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Another Weird Thing??

2006-04-13 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I seem to be being plagued by weirdness today! Take a look at this code:

set the itemDelimiter to  
, --Do  
I need this?

put theMessageData into myMessageData
put replaceText(myMessageData,|,,) into myMessageData


When I run this and look at myMessageData before the replaceText()  
statment, it contains:


10|30|366|460|

But after the replaceText() call, myMessageData is empty!

How can this be?

Any help on this greatly appreciated.

All the Best
Dave



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Re: Another Weird Thing??

2006-04-13 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

Thanks a lot! I chose | as a nice alternate delimiter, but  
obviously it was a bad choice!


I changed to to just use the replace command and it's work ok now.

All the Best
Dave

On 13 Apr 2006, at 20:02, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


David,

Sorry but I jsut tested the replaceText and got blank

I used the replace | with comma in myMessageData and that worked.

Tom

On Apr 13, 2006, at 2:32 PM, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

I seem to be being plagued by weirdness today! Take a look at this  
code:


set the itemDelimiter to  
, -- 
Do I need this?

put theMessageData into myMessageData
put replaceText(myMessageData,|,,) into myMessageData


When I run this and look at myMessageData before the replaceText()  
statment, it contains:


10|30|366|460|

But after the replaceText() call, myMessageData is empty!

How can this be?

Any help on this greatly appreciated.

All the Best
Dave



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Re: Weird and Horrible Problem??!!

2006-04-13 Thread David Burgun


Hi Alex,

Thanks, I found it! It was a cr at the end of one of the strings  
that came from a Custom Property. Incidentally, I came across this  
problem when ported your Spirograph Demo (from revOnline) to use ISM.  
I have just about got it working and was wondering if you'd like it  
see it? If so I could send you a copy without ISM. I about to do a  
final regression test on ISM and once it's passed that, release it  
and some more complex applications.


ISM/Spirograph isn't quite finished yet, I'm still testing something  
in ISM and using it as a tool, however, you could look at the source  
code and see how it generally works. I chose the Sprograph Example  
since you had ported to RunRev initially and thought you be familiar  
with it.


All the Best
Dave

On 13 Apr 2006, at 17:53, Alex Tweedly wrote:


David Burgun wrote:

How can an array have *two* identical entries??? My guess is that   
they are not identical and that I just can't see the difference  
using  the debugger?? Maybe some non-displayable data got in there  
some how?  The Kind could be stored in a Custom Property is that  
makes any  difference.


Any Tips on how to track down what is going wrong here would be   
greatly appreciated.



I've use a brute force method to find things like this 

   repeat for each line L in the keys of gArray
   repeat for each char c in L
   put c  chartonum(c)  space after msg
   end repeat
   put cr after msg
   end repeat

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Re: progress bar

2006-04-13 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

set the thumbPosition of me to 10

Or any control reference, like:

set the thumbPosition of scrollbar  ProgressScrollbar to 10

Hope this Helps
All the Best
Dave

On 13 Apr 2006, at 22:40, Viktoras Didziulis wrote:



Hi!

I am new to Revolution and Transcript. Giving a try to Revolution  
today, and
somehow can't figure it out how to add number to current value  
property of
Progress Bar. Could someone please write a brief example on how  
current

value property of progress bar should be addressed.

Thanks a lot!
Viktoras
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Re: Bugs

2006-04-10 Thread David Burgun



On 10 Apr 2006, at 02:13, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:


Hi from Paris,

Many - many years ago, I came across a simple program
written to print out paychecks (in 1401 AutoCoder, for anybody
who wants to know). The input to the program was  you've
guessed it  ...  punched cards, containing basic information,
such as :

1 - a code (1 for man, 2 for woman),
2 - Employee code number (six digits),
3 - Employee name (25 characters)
4 - Number of hours worked in the week (3 digits)

The program needed the sex code, because the hourly
rate for a woman was less than that of a man (nothing has
changed, even 40 years later !).

Tests were conclusive, the programmer eliminated invalid
employee codes, and hours worked in excess of 45, etc, etc.
So the programmer did a run on REAL data for the current month.

The program blew 30 seconds later .. but only because the
employee was . neither a man or a woman ..

From then on, programmers were instructed to FIRST test their
programs with blank cards ...



Actually this is a good example for another reason. If you equate the  
blank card to the empty concept in TranScript, you will see that  
TranScript actually makes things a little worse in some cases here.  
By this I mean, you can get away with passing empty to RevRev  
functions etc. and it will accept them, even when they don't make  
sense. For instance:


if there is a folder myFolder then
new folder myFolder
end if

the part that handles there is a folder allows an empty string to  
be passed to it and fails. On the face of it this is good, it didn't  
identify empty as being a valid folder. The problem here is that  
you'd get the same result if myFolder contained a valid folder.   
The programmer in this example should have coded:


put empty into myFolder

if myFolder  empty then
  if there is a folder myFolder then
  new folder myFolder
   end if
 end if

If the there is a folder clause generated an Execution Error if it  
were passed empty data, it would help a lot.


There are also a number of cases where empty is passed around which  
while they don't cause any problems immediately they cause more  
processing than is necessary to be performed. For instance:


put the keys of myArray into myKeysList
sort lines of myKeysList
repeat with myKeyIndex = 1 to the number of lines in myKeysList
end repeat

Here the extra sort operation was performed on an empty string,  
is just continued on and hit the repeat statement which then  
immediately failed. Here we are not talking about much overhead, but  
when I traced some code I wrote recently, I found that it was  
traveling down 4 layers of function calls, uselessly passing empty.  
It was only when I added some code to the bottom layer that was  
empty intolerant did I notice the problem. For instance:


Stack;
function StackFunc theParam
local myParam

-- do something that is empty tolerant with theParam
put SomeCalc(theParam) into myParam
put CardFunc(myParam ) into myResult

return myResult
end StackFunc


Card:
function CardFunc theParam
local myParam

-- do something that is empty tolerant with theParam
put SomeCalc(theParam) into myParam
put GroupFunc(myParam ) into myResult

return myResult
end CardFunc


Group:
function GroupFunc theParam
local myParam

-- do something that is empty tolerant with theParam
put SomeCalc(theParam) into myParam
put ControlFunc(myParam ) into myResult

return myResult
end GroupFunc


Control:
function ControlFunc theParam
local myParam

-- do something that is empty tolerant with theParam
put SomeCalc(theParam) into myResult

return myResult
end ControlFunc

In this case empty was being passed needlessly, but harmlessly down  
4 layers. All is ok, until you add some empty non-tolerant code to  
one of the lower levels. In my case I added it to the Control.


All the Best
Dave







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Re: Recent posts

2006-04-10 Thread David Burgun


Neat idea.  Not that I have a use for it now,


I dunno! Would it help to diagonal draw a line across cards in a  
RunRev stack? If they ever got out of order you could then maybe use  
the same trick to put em back again!?!?


g

All the Best
Dave


On 10 Apr 2006, at 02:50, Marian Petrides wrote:

 but it would have helped 25 years ago.  Too bad I wasn't smart  
enough to think of it then.


On Apr 9, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Francis-

Sunday, April 9, 2006, 5:15:03 PM, you wrote:


For anybody out there still using punched cards  Draw a
diagonal line
across the top of your card deck with a biro, drop the deck on the
floor, and
then put the deck back into 100% sequence with NO hassle !  Did it
often !


Yes, and that's the sort of thing that experience will teach you very
quickly the first time you drop a stack. Note that it's possible to
get the stack put back together exactly backwards that way, too...

I find it semantically interesting that in 2006 we're still working
with cards and stacks (but in an entirely different context) in
runrev.

--
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Re: List Moderation, recent threads and New Forum

2006-04-10 Thread David Burgun


Hi Lynn,

On 10 Apr 2006, at 14:06, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


Hi all,


So guys and gals, here it is: Wa too much noise to
signal ratio. It's taken me hours just to get up to speed on
the discussion for the last two days, and how much more do I
know about using Revolution? Almost nothing!


I realize that I let my frustration get the better of me,  
yesterday, and for

that I apologize.


That happens to us all from time to time and there really is no need  
to apologize (to me anyway).



It is very difficult for me to sit still when I see a
problem popping up again and again.


That's exactly how some of the people using RunRev feel. When the  
problem(s) pop's up once too often it tends to pop up here. As far as  
I can see, there are two ways of dealing with it:


1.  Stop the problems popping up in RunRev, which will lead to the  
reduction of problems popping up here.


2.  Stop the problems from popping up here by other means.

All the Best
Dave

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Re: Recent posts

2006-04-10 Thread David Burgun

There ya go then! Take one of the oldest of problems and you find  
that one of the  oldest of solutions still works!


All the Best
Dave

On 10 Apr 2006, at 17:12, Jim Ault wrote:

I have created a field originalSequence, ran a loop to 'draw the  
diagonal
lines', then sort by that field whenever nec.  An inventory stack  
was one

past project where I actually had 4 sort orders + mod dates.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 4/10/06 5:37 AM, David Burgun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Neat idea.  Not that I have a use for it now,


I dunno! Would it help to diagonal draw a line across cards in a
RunRev stack? If they ever got out of order you could then maybe use
the same trick to put em back again!?!?

g

All the Best
Dave


On 10 Apr 2006, at 02:50, Marian Petrides wrote:


 but it would have helped 25 years ago.  Too bad I wasn't smart
enough to think of it then.

On Apr 9, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Francis-

Sunday, April 9, 2006, 5:15:03 PM, you wrote:


For anybody out there still using punched cards  Draw a
diagonal line
across the top of your card deck with a biro, drop the deck on the
floor, and
then put the deck back into 100% sequence with NO hassle !  Did it
often !


Yes, and that's the sort of thing that experience will teach you  
very

quickly the first time you drop a stack. Note that it's possible to
get the stack put back together exactly backwards that way, too...

I find it semantically interesting that in 2006 we're still working
with cards and stacks (but in an entirely different context) in
runrev.

--
-Mark Wieder
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Re: bugs

2006-04-10 Thread David Burgun



On 10 Apr 2006, at 17:54, Robert Sneidar wrote:

It is theoretically possible to write bug free code, but the  
chances of doing it decrease exponentially with complexity. (For  
anything like software someone would actually want to use, the  
chances are about the same as the coin dropping to the ground and  
staying on it's side.)


That's just not true! Bugs do not necessarily increase as complexity  
increases it all a matter of coding correctly. It's true you cannot  
apply the same rules you use to develop complex software as you do to  
write trivial software, but if you stick to sound software  
engineering principals, then complex software is actually more stable.


Point in case, look at games like WarCraft I and II, StarCraft,  
Diablo II, SimCity, etc. etc. etc. these are increibly complex  
systems and they have very few bugs. Reason? Most of these games work  
on devices like the PlayStation and rely on the CD being correct,  
there's no downloading a bug-fix release in this case.


Another point in case, are mainframe OSes (like IBM/390), also as I  
have mentioned before check out SNOBOL4 and SPITBOL.


All the Best
Dave



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Clarification on Menubar under MacOS X?

2006-04-10 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

I have created a Menubar containg just a File menu and given it the  
following items:


Test 1

Test 2

Test 3
Test 4
Test 5

Quit

If set this menubar as in:

set the menubar of this stack to myMenubar

The menu appears ok except that when it displays, the last item in  
the menu is Test 3. I was fully expecting the  before the quit  
and the quit item itself to be removed but not 4 items to move. If I  
insert 2 dummy items after Test 5, then it behaves correctly.


Any ideas? Why should it remove 4 items, instead of 2 as the  
documentation states??


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

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Re: bugs

2006-04-09 Thread David Burgun



On 8 Apr 2006, at 12:07, David Vaughan wrote:


So tell me what could go wrong? ;-)


I realised while cooking the salmon this evening (crocodile being  
off the menu) that Geoff had inadvertently provided a wonderful  
case study on bugs. Any link to Geoff in the following is purely  
coincidental and nothing to do with him at all :-)


Once upon a time, an aspiring programmer wrote:

on mouseUp -- display the date
  answer the date with OK
end mouseUp

and released it as shareware.

His American audience loved it. He received five star ratings on  
Versiontracker and plaudits on download.com, so impressed were  
users at being able to load an application, click a single button  
and see the date. Most impressive of all, it looked bug free.


Then, some old bloke from Australia gave a negative review,  
declaring the code contained a bug in that the information 4/8/06  
for 8 April was simply wrong. A Frenchman wrote to say that the  
format should be 060408. Both complained that this was a clear- 
cut bug about which the developer should have known before  
releasing the software with the documentation Displays the date.


Relying on precedents in  Gutnick v. Dow Jones, they observed  
that even though the software was uploaded in America to an  
American server, it was published in Australia and France where it  
was read, and therefore subject to those foreign laws of fitness  
for purpose, with which any judge in those jurisdictions would  
agree ;-) Therefore, we have an indisputable bug in even this  
simple application.


Now that we know that no code is bug-free, two issues arise, one of  
morality and one of money.


Has the programmer committed an Immoral Act by publishing this  
software with a bug about which those foreign users believe he  
should surely have known?


What commercial decision should the programmer make? Add 33% more  
lines to the code (set the useSystemDate to true) just to cater  
for foreign system dates, or add one word to the documentation so  
that it says Displays the U.S. date? One action will cost more  
than the other, and either will cost more than doing nothing and  
restricting his target market. Perhaps he should focus his  
development energies on his upcoming product Displays the time  
which he expects to sell at twice the price?


So, it appears that
- bugs happen, even when they are sincerely believed not to exist  
and with the best will in the world, and testing which seemed  
comprehensive at the time;
- money matters in commercial decisions without greed per se being  
a factor;
- the morality of the developer is not questioned by the discovered  
bug.


Perhaps RunRev has more bugs than it should have. That is something  
I do not know, but Lynn may on industry benchmarks. Regardless,  
bugginess is a relative question.


The real problem here is if the marketing department get ahold of it,  
they will make it into a feature ! e.g. this Application is  
supposed to tell you the time in the USA, it's so cool you don't  
have to figure it out for yourself, thereby cutting out the rest of  
the world from the product. Eventually when the US market slows down,  
they add a preference to allow the time to be shown in local time,  
call it an upgrade and charge everyone for the privilege of fixing  
the bug!


How many times you seen that happen???

All the Best
Dave








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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

2006-04-09 Thread David Burgun



On 9 Apr 2006, at 00:07, Garrett Hylltun wrote:

I'm sure you're right though, I'm sure were not being singled out  
for something derogatory.  It's obvious the intent, which had  
nothing to do with you.  Which adds to your puzzling reply on this.


Almost all those names that were listed are the people who are most  
helpful.  Granted, some of them participate in what I call ego- 
chatter, but even with that, that list represents a lot of good  
people and I would have assumed that anyone listed would have  
actually felt complimented by that.


I totally agree with this, it's one of the best lists I've ever been  
involved with.


I get wound up by things that I feel are letting RunRev as a concept/ 
product down, however, I still use it and I want it to be better, and  
there is no doubt that is has got better over the 2+ years I have  
been using it. For that I say thanks and well done. However when  
you have worked in the industry as long as I have, you are bound to  
see mistakes that companies have made over the years, having been  
involved with projects/products that, lets say, didn't reach their  
full potential and were replaced with products that were inferior in  
concept, simply because of bad documentation and buggy interfaces.


Once you understand the separation of the engine and the IDE in  
RunRev, you can see that the concept of the engine and all it's cool  
features is sound. However, when a new user evaluates RunRev, unless  
they understand xTalk, they don't immediately see this separation and  
assume that IDE bugs are part and parcel of the whole thing, and in a  
way they are right.


One of the major problems I face when trying to get RunRev accepted  
in a traditional software development department is that of  
credibility, the first thing the engineer or manager sees is the IDE.  
The thing that I can sell RunRev on is the speed and flexibility of  
programming, in order to do that, I usually write an application or  
part of an application of medium complexity right in front in them. I  
then usually leave the stack(s) with them and tell them to download  
an evaluation copy of RunRev and play with it on their own machine.  
This is the only real way I have found for getting that wow factor,  
if I get the wow, I an 99% of the way there. If I don't get it, then  
I'm usually out the door.


The problem with having lots of silly little bugs in the most visible  
of places is that a newbie or someone that is skeptical of the claims  
you have made for the system immediately have their suspicions  
confirmed (or so they think). The real fact of the matter is that  
even with all the silly little bugs in the IDE it's still way faster  
then developing in other languages/environments. I would say  
typically I lose about an hour a day due to these problems, but I  
used to lose longer. I suppose I will eventually lose less time, but  
that's not really the point. I have had a history of using xTalk like  
languages, like SNOBOL4 and SPITBOL and know the underlying power and  
the type of results you can achieve in a relatively small period of  
time, so I am willing to be patient and try to work around the  
problems. Once in while I give out about having to put up with it  
and that's about it. However, I really don't think I am the typical  
engineer and to them a buggy IDE to a sign of a dodgy product,  
especially if they know that the IDE is coded in TranScript. It's as  
someone else said, well if the makers of the product can't make it  
work properly, what chance have we?


As for bug free pieces of software, take a look at SNOBOL4 and  
SPLITBOL these languages/environments are more powerful and complex  
compared to TranScript in their own way. They run on more platforms  
than RunRev and they are an example of software that is 99.99%  
bug free including the documentation. The main difference is that  
they don't support a GUI.


I really don't think that the problems I have mentioned are being  
experienced by just myself or to my configuration. I have seen these  
on different versions of RunRev running on different machines and on  
different platforms.


I'm not having a personal dig at anyone, bitching for the sake or it  
or trying to be awkward in any way. The only reason I bring them up  
every now and then to try to get something done about it. The fact  
that people are venting the way they are at the moment is a sign that  
something aught to be done to resolve at least some of these issues.


All the Best
Dave


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Restore Field Selections?

2006-04-09 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

Do I need to restore the field selection after switching cards?

I have a stack with two cards and in card 2 the user selects an item  
in a list field and it gets selected ok, they then switch to card 1  
and then back to card 2 but the current selection is lost when card 2  
re-appears. Is this the correct action? If so what is the best place  
to refresh the selection when switching cards?


preOpenCard? openCard? or somewhere else?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



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Re: Restore Field Selections?

2006-04-09 Thread David Burgun



On 9 Apr 2006, at 19:19, Ken Ray wrote:


On 4/9/06 12:57 PM, David Burgun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi,

Do I need to restore the field selection after switching cards?

I have a stack with two cards and in card 2 the user selects an item
in a list field and it gets selected ok, they then switch to card 1
and then back to card 2 but the current selection is lost when card 2
re-appears. Is this the correct action? If so what is the best place
to refresh the selection when switching cards?

preOpenCard? openCard? or somewhere else?


It depends on whether the rest of your card resets when you enter  
it for a

second time, or not. If it *does*, then don't worry about it, bt if it
tries to keep data persistent, then store the hilitedLines in a custom
property, and then restore them on preopencard.


No, it doesn't reset, it uses the same data each time it is opened. I  
put the code in the openCard handler, but you suggested the  
preOpenCard call, it works ok in openCard, but would it be better to  
put it in preOpenCard? I thought that a card might have to be  
displayed before the selection would appear. By selection I mean the  
mark that appears when you do:


set the hilitedLine of me to the cpSelected selected line of me

Thanks a lot
All the Best
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Re: End all Negative Threads Now

2006-04-09 Thread David Burgun



On 9 Apr 2006, at 19:33, jeffrey reynolds wrote:


Lynn,


This list has been very stable and as lists go pretty civil. yes  
once and a while there are little firestorms, but all and all its  
very self moderating (except for a few of the comments that were  
posted that went into illegal areas of software piracy, etc). the  
fires seem to put themselves out after a few days and bad feelings  
seem to fade quickly. Negative things about rev almost always end  
up generating more good comments on rev and focusing of problem  
areas that need work (nothings perfect and software is even harder  
to move toward perfection than other things).


Totally Agree,

I get very worried when a rev representative steps in with heavy  
handed threats. I hope this is not how the new forums will be  
moderated. while forums are great for the very general stuff, for  
the professional developer they are much harder to try and keep up  
with. the rev list has been great and continues to work well for  
many of us. Most of the folks active in it have been using the  
product since mc days. Compartmentalizing things into pigeon hole  
forums will be of no use to me and by the comments of many on the  
list neither for them.


I agree again, if a thread bothers you, just don't read it! List's  
are like soap opera's you *should* be able to switch them off if you  
like.


If we could just have some good news that the IDE will be fixed  
sometime soon or some tools to make life easier. For instance, the  
debugger doesn't work very well when switching contexts. If we had  
some kind of low level tool that would provide some kind of trace  
facility that would be something to help.


All the Best
Dave

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Re: bugs

2006-04-09 Thread David Burgun



On 9 Apr 2006, at 21:04, Rob Cozens wrote:


Geoff, et al:

Well, my international (from an american viewpoint) friend, how  
about this:


on mouseUp -- display the date
  answer the system date with OK
end mouseUp

The requirements are stated clearly in the comment, so the long  
date is out. The system date should work properly for you, correct?




Yes, the system date meets my requirement.

But I would point out that this is not an international issue per se:

Any user of Windows and MacOSes has the capability of specifying to  
the operating system the format in which dates, times, and numbers  
are displayed.  In my view, any software that ignores the user's  
preferences is flawed, and therefore buggy.  It may be a design  
bug, not a bug in the code; but it's a bug to moi.


Since my buddy Bernie isn't on the List, here's a further example  
at his expense:


Flexware's A/R Parameter Setup screen worked flawlessly...so long  
as the G/L module was not installed OR a Chart of Accounts was set  
up.  If the user indicated in the A/R Params that G/L was  
installed, the setup would loop endlessly trying to verify the  
first G/L account # in the parameters record if there were no COA  
set up.


Is it a bug that Parameter Setup didn't check for the existence of  
a COA when it opened?  By my definition, yes, even if the specs  
didn't call for it.




Yes, but what's the bug? The fact that it loops endlessly or the fact  
that the COA was non existent? This is where robustness comes in,  
nearly every instance of a bug (with the exception of typeo's) is  
because something was assumed to be set to something that wasn't/ 
isn't set up!


All the Best
Dave

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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

2006-04-08 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

All my messages pass along the very same chain you are using, the  
fact that there is a library that is managing events has nothing to  
do with it. I've experienced the problems I mentioned (and they have  
been verified by others) in small 3 control test stacks with no  
libraries etc. I do not force anything into a central object  
library or any other kind of library.


All the Best
Dave

On 7 Apr 2006, at 17:32, Rob Cozens wrote:



David, et al:

In the case of the bugs I mentioned, you'd have to blind and in a  
drug induced haze not to spot them! Some of them occur on an  
hourly basis!




For the past two weeks I have been scripting at least four hours  
daily using Rev v2.7 on Windows XP.


I have experienced no crashes--even when trying to force a crash  
for Rev Support.  I don't spot the bugs you mention because (a) I'm  
not using the same features your are, and (possibly) (b) because I  
allow most messages to pass up the message chain rather than trying  
to force them to a centralized object library.


This is not said to discredit you; but to point out that RunRev is  
so feature-rich and can be applied to such different applications  
that one developer's experience may be entirely different from  
another's.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee.

from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631)

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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

2006-04-08 Thread David Burgun



On 7 Apr 2006, at 22:43, Ken Ray wrote:


On 4/7/06 3:36 PM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm so old my first computer was made of cardboard. Heck, we had to
'punch out' the cardboard parts just to build it (and we did this  
all by

candlelight as electricity wasn't invented yet). We wouldv'e given
anything to play with those fancy Hollerith card-punch machines.


Oh, Yeah? Well WE had to walk 35 miles through a raging snowstorm  
with only
flipflops and snorkles while juggling crazed rabid wombats and  
breathing

sulphur just to LOOK at a cardboard computer!


Oh, you used one of those Apollo boxes too!

All the Best
Dave


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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

2006-04-08 Thread David Burgun



On 8 Apr 2006, at 02:06, Bob Warren wrote:


Garrett Hylltun wrote:

Have you ever dropped a stack of a thousand or so punch cards!?  That
was the last time I ever dropped a stack.  Took me weeks to put the
stack back in order before I could run it through the reader.

Yes, and worse. On one occasion I was feeding in trays and trays of  
cards that represented free gifts to the clients. Although I was  
always very methodical and careful when doing this, somehow, I  
don't know how, I fed in a tray (or more?) of cards twice. As a  
result, about 10,000 customers got their rather expensive gifts in  
duplicate! Needless to say, proper statistical controls were  
implemented by my department afterwards. It turned out to be quite  
didactic.


Bob


That's what the sequencing field was for! If you used it, you could  
run it thru the sorted and it would put them all back in order!


All the Best
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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

2006-04-08 Thread David Burgun

That's true of course, I could rewrite the Script Editor and may well  
do so, but really, unless I invested a lot of time understanding the  
how the rest of the IDE worked, it would probably not work very well.  
If I were to do it, I'd rewrite the whole thing.


All the Best
Dave


On 7 Apr 2006, at 18:20, Mark Wieder wrote:


David-

Thursday, April 6, 2006, 6:51:18 PM, you wrote:


It depends on whether I wrote it in the first place or not. Assume I
didn't and have been given the source code, I'd take a look at it and


You *do* have the source code. Knock yourself out.

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Re: bugs

2006-04-08 Thread David Burgun



On 7 Apr 2006, at 17:49, Mark Wieder wrote:


David-

Friday, April 7, 2006, 3:26:29 AM, you wrote:


Approach 2, results in much better software and much happier
engineers. The idea is to have QA involved right from the start, at
the design stage. QA's job here is to ensure that components (such as
libraries etc.) are unit tested as they are written.


100% agreement on approach 1 vs 2. It really is true that the best way
to eliminate bugs is not to code them in the first place. I always
like to get QA involved at product inception and follow the sdlc
through to the release.

But... it shouldn't be QA's job to do unit testing. That's
development's job.


In a way, yes, but on the other hand, I worked at one place that had  
around 5 imaging products and they all used a couple of common  
libraries. It made sense in this case for QA to track which versions  
of the libraries were used in the build of which products. Also since  
they were Shared Libraries (DLLs), they would switch out libraries  
and move back to older versions to track when a bug was introduced.  
They also had a Library test tool, which exercised the API.



The tests written by QA should complement the unit
tests in terms of integration testing, functional and boundary tests,
etc. Otherwise you get QA locked into the same mindset as development
to where you know what the program is supposed to do, so you don't
test other scenarios. It's the same reason you can't do proper QA on a
product you've written yourself. I've had my own apps pass all the
unit tests I've written and come through with flying colors, only to
be shot down in five minutes when I handed the finished product off
to someone else.


I agree, the best policy I've found for this is the to have a Test  
department that writes code to test the robustness of key system  
components.


All the Best
Dave

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Re: How long does one put up with crashing? - reply

2006-04-08 Thread David Burgun



On 7 Apr 2006, at 22:25, Dave Cragg wrote:



On 7 Apr 2006, at 21:19, Chipp Walters wrote:


But, then there's another problem (at least for me). Currently,  
I'd like

to get my hands on a 2.6.6 version of Rev. But the latest installer I
have is 2.6.1, which when properly online updated, goes to 2.6.6 (bug
fixes mostly). But, because the online update now only points to 2.7,
how does one go about getting the update to 2.6.6? Is there  
somewhere an

archived version of 2.6.6 and if so, where?


Chipp, are you talking about engine version numbers or Rev App  
version numbers? The reason I'm asking is that I don't recall a Rev  
App of version of 2.6.6.


I am using 2.6.6 Build 152, that's what the Get Info box says and  
that's what the file is named. However the splash screen tells me  
it's 2.6.1 Build 152. The App/Engine version number are really  
confusing!





The latest pre-2.7 version I have here is 2.6.1, which has an  
engine versione of 2.6.6.


The 2.6.1 engine version is what shipped with Rev 2.5.

(As of 2.7, the engine and app versions are the same, thank goodness.)


Good!

All the Best
Dave

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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

2006-04-08 Thread David Burgun

I really don't think you understand the ISM concept and think it's  
some strange thing that is somehow going against the way Xtalk's  
work. It's really not. It's really just a convenient and flexible way  
of allowing an object to communicate with other objects without  
having to explicitly tell the objects what do do.


Think of it like this. You could write some code that did the following:

put [EMAIL PROTECTED] into field EmailAddress
enable button OK
disable field PhoneNumber

etc.

In (say) a mouse up handler of a Do Some Action button. In other  
words the logic to determine what to do to other objects is  
determined by the object that initiated the event. This means that  
when you want a different action for an existing object or additional  
actions or actions for other objects you have to change the sender.  
It's like a teacher in a class room telling each individual pupil to  
turn to page 66 of a text book, instead of telling the whole class.  
This isn't the best example, since, the *same* action is performed by  
each pupil in the class. Instead, imagine you said, Go to the page  
where you left off last week and continue from that point. The  
difference is that you could either track which page each individual  
pupil is on and give out many instructions such as John, go to page  
33, Bob, go to page 54, Julie, go to page 132 or could leave the  
decision as to which page to go to up to the person receiving the  
instruction and give one instruction and they could use their memory  
to go to the correct place. ISM allows you do do this.


For instance, with a file path name, different fields may want to do  
different things:


Field 1 - put theFilePathName into field 1
Field 2 - put the_contents of file theFilePathName into field 2

Using ISM, you put the choice of what to do with the data received in  
the Object that is processing the data. not in the sender of the data.


This is basic OOP.

All the Best
Dave

Hi,

All my messages pass along the very same chain you are using, the  
fact that there is a library that is managing events has nothing to  
do with it. I've experienced the problems I mentioned (and they have  
been verified by others) in small 3 control test stacks with no  
libraries etc. I do not force anything into a central object  
library or any other kind of library.


All the Best
Dave

On 7 Apr 2006, at 17:32, Rob Cozens wrote:



David, et al:

In the case of the bugs I mentioned, you'd have to blind and in a  
drug induced haze not to spot them! Some of them occur on an  
hourly basis!




For the past two weeks I have been scripting at least four hours  
daily using Rev v2.7 on Windows XP.


I have experienced no crashes--even when trying to force a crash  
for Rev Support.  I don't spot the bugs you mention because (a) I'm  
not using the same features your are, and (possibly) (b) because I  
allow most messages to pass up the message chain rather than trying  
to force them to a centralized object library.


This is not said to discredit you; but to point out that RunRev is  
so feature-rich and can be applied to such different applications  
that one developer's experience may be entirely different from  
another's.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee.

from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631)

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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

2006-04-07 Thread David Burgun



On 7 Apr 2006, at 03:38, David Vaughan wrote:



I'm sorry, but my expectations of software is higher.  I get so  
tired of
hearing B.S. and excuses as to why software isn't or can't be bug  
free.
Software is a creative product of staggering complexity, one whose  
reliability has increased enormously over the years. One way of  
putting it is that the boundaries of capability have been pushed  
over the years while the rise in bugs has been disproportionately low.


Over what years are you talking about? I really can't see this, for  
instance:


When I first started in programming we used assembler on Mini- 
Computers, and had to install the system at the User's site and it  
would take maybe a week to commission the system. During that week  
a post sales support person would test all the new features the  
customer had requested and wouldn't sign it off unless they worked  
100%. In this case it was back to the office and bug-fixing, until it  
did work. Bugs that slipped through the net were then fixed as soon  
as they were reported. Back then, programmers used to get paid a  
bonus for shipping bug free code, that bonus would decrease as the  
bug count increased. It was even possible to go into negative bonus  
which would be subtracted from bonus of the next project.


When I first started of the Mac, the software was must more robust  
and bug free.


To be honest I reckon the Internet is in part responsible for the  
buggy software we see today, it's way too easy to provide a bug-fix  
release! If the company had to produce, EPROMS, Floppy disks or CDs  
with bug containing software updates then they'd take more care about  
shipping bug-free software!


All the Best
Dave






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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

2006-04-07 Thread David Burgun


Hi,

But you said you are not using the IDE on a daily basis. If you were  
you'd see that cos they would smack you in the face on an hourly basis!


All the Best
Dave

On 7 Apr 2006, at 06:25, Dan Shafer wrote:


David.

And yet there appear to be other users here who haven't seen it and  
can't
reproduce it. I, for example, have been unable despite a number of  
tries to

get the blank script window false save alert to occur. I eliminated
Constellation from my setup to try this test and also to test the
colorization. I just don't see any problems, let alone any that  
make me

think the product is broken.

Now, please understand, David. I am decidedly *not* saying you're  
not seeing
these problems, with regularity. My point is that I don't think I'm  
either
blind or in a drug-induced haze and I'M NOT SEEING THESE BUGS. Thus  
the need

to report them with enough recipe detail for someone to reproduce them
reliably so they can be fixed.


On 4/6/06, David Burgun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In the case of the bugs I mentioned, you'd have to blind and in a
drug induced haze not to spot them! Some of them occur on an hourly
basis!





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Re: OT: Haggis [was Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] ]

2006-04-07 Thread David Burgun



On 7 Apr 2006, at 10:36, Alex Tweedly wrote:


J. Landman Gay wrote:


Mark Wieder wrote:

Don't you remember the original web site? At the bottom of the  
page it

said We eat our own haggis.



Which is way further than I care to go. :)


...they can have my share, too... I'll pass...


I'm OT now, but I want to know: Does anybody, anywhere, actually  
*like* this stuff?


Yes, I love it !

Forget the mythology, and the jokes - all haggis is is spiced  
sausage with oatmeal added (most British sausage traditionally had  
cereal of some kind added, unlike other European countries where  
sausage had higher meat content).


Once cooked (steamed is best, microwave is second best, traditional  
boiling is not so good), it's comparable in taste to some German  
and Swiss sausage - though often spicier; the texture is of course  
quite different. Best accompanied by the traditional  
'neeps' (mashed turnip) laden with butter and pepper, and either  
Rowan Jelly or Cranberry Jelly.


Oww, yuck! Way too much information!

I remember the first time I tried it. It was from a Chipper in  
Glasgow, scared me for life - never again!


Cheers
Dave


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Re: OT: Haggis [was Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] ]

2006-04-07 Thread David Burgun

Seems like even Symantec Mail Security is incapable of digesting  
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Re: bugs

2006-04-07 Thread David Burgun


Hi Mark,

On 7 Apr 2006, at 04:11, Mark Wieder wrote:


Garrett-
As a QA engineer, I'd love to find some bug-free software someday.
Doesn't exist. Bug-free is code-free. In reality, somebody has to make
the hard decision with any piece of software about where to draw the
line as far as which bugs *must* get fixed before this release ships
and which can be punted until the next point release. The decision
itself can be argued forwards and backwards, but that's a different
issue from saying that software can't be shipped until *all* the bugs
are out. I sometimes joke that my job in QA is to prevent products
from shipping, but the reality is that the inherent push-and-pull
between QA and, well, everyone else, is aimed at reaching the decision
point that results in the best possible product shipping *at that
time*.


I think this really depends on how the company handles QA, there are  
two main ways I've seen in action:


1.  Have the programming department write a humungus application,  
then throw it over the fence to QA and ask them to test it and report  
on bugs.


2.  Have the QA department get in on the act right from day 1.

In my experience approach 1 results in more bugs and more work for  
everyone concerned.


Approach 2, results in much better software and much happier  
engineers. The idea is to have QA involved right from the start, at  
the design stage. QA's job here is to ensure that components (such as  
libraries etc.) are unit tested as they are written.


All the Best
Dave


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