re: Is anybody working with Arabic?
Thanks Richmond and Mark for the tips and advice. Both were beyond my abilities at this time, but I appreciate it anyway. For now I'll stick with my workarounds, one of which is trying to make sure that empty lines are never created in the custom property the first place. If that doesn't succeed, there is always: repeat with i = 1 to the num of lines in tData if line i in tData = empty then delete line i in tData end repeat Obviously slower than filter without empty but the content of that custom property won't be large enough to make it noticable. By the way - I never understood why this, which is faster than repeat with .., doesn't work. repeat for ech line X in tData if X = empty then delete X end repeat I use repeat for each ... in many handlers, but it doesn't work here and i don't see the difference. Last thing - the alphabetical question. Is the result of sorting Arabic text linesalphabetical indeed alphabetical? Cheers again, Lars I am working with Arabic for the first time and have a problem. First of all, I do not speak, read or write Arabic, so I can't spot things that might be obvious. This project if for a friend who is learning Arabic. He will eventually enter his own content, and my Arabic content is just gibberish for testing purposes. So far, most things work as predicted - the Arabic font, right to left text, etc. (looks weird by the way - the insertion point stays at the right as new characters are added/deleted at the left) The only problem so far is this; The bilingual content is stored as a tab delimited list in a custom property. When I filter the custom property without empty, I lose all of the content of the custom property except the first line or 2. I finally noticed after much frustration that this seems to happen when there is more than one arabic word in an item, that is I lose all of the content starting with the first space in an Arabic item. The only thing I could think of is that the ASCII number of a space using the Arabic keyboard layout differs from the ASCII number of a European keyboard layout, but they are both 32. I found out a long time ago that when a appears in such a tab delimited list custom property, it causes weird things to happen, but I can easily work around it, and it never caused content in the custom property to just disappear while filtering without empty. Is there something about Arabic text that I obviously don't know? For now, all I can do is NOT filter without empty, which I do routinely in scripts because an empty line in the custom property would be a big problem for this particulat stack. Anyone have an idea about this? Also, when Runrev supports Arabic, does that mean that sorting aplphabetically works correctly? I can see that the text lines are indeed sorted by the first letter, but I obviously can't tell whether it is alphabetical. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Is anyone working with Arabic?
I am working with Arabic for the first time and have a problem. First of all, I do not speak, read or write Arabic, so I can't spot things that might be obvious. This project if for a friend who is learning Arabic. He will eventually enter his own content, and my Arabic content is just gibberish for testing purposes. So far, most things work as predicted - the Arabic font, right to left text, etc. (looks weird by the way - the insertion point stays at the right as new characters are added/deleted at the left) The only problem so far is this; The bilingual content is stored as a tab delimited list in a custom property. When I filter the custom property without empty, I lose all of the content of the custom property except the first line or 2. I finally noticed after much frustration that this seems to happen when there is more than one arabic word in an item, that is I lose all of the content starting with the first space in an Arabic item. The only thing I could think of is that the ASCII number of a space using the Arabic keyboard layout differs from the ASCII number of a European keyboard layout, but they are both 32. I found out a long time ago that when a appears in such a tab delimited list custom property, it causes weird things to happen, but I can easily work around it, and it never caused content in the custom property to just disappear while filtering without empty. Is there something about Arabic text that I obviously don't know? For now, all I can do is NOT filter without empty, which I do routinely in scripts because an empty line in the custom property would be a big problem for this particulat stack. Anyone have an idea about this? Also, when Runrev supports Arabic, does that mean that sorting aplphabetically works correctly? I can see that the text lines are indeed sorted by the first letter, but I obviously can't tell whether it is alphabetical. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
formatted text in clipboardData
I am trying to use a script to put the text of three text fields into the clipboardData and then manually paste it into a Word document and keep the text formatting. Field txt1 - font A Bold Field txt2 - font B Regular Field txt3 - font A Regular If I copy and paste each of the 3 fields separately, the fonts and formatting are retained. But with this script; set the clipboardData[rtf] to the rtfText of fld txt1 the rtfText of fld txt2 the rtfText of fld txt3 and then paste in the Word document, even when choosing formatted text result in all three becoming font A Regular. I have tried the same thing with htmlText and neither one works so far for me. Is it possible to do what I am trying to do? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Difference between XP and Vista/7?
I have a standalone that is thoroughly tested in XP and I am now trying in Vista and Windows 7. I never bothered with Vista before, but Windows 7 will surely be adopted in far greater numbers than Vista was, so they are obviously extremely important now. This is a standalone that is a splashscreen with the actual program stacks in the package or program folder. Nothing unusual here - in OSX the program stacks have always been savable. In XP as well, whether the stanalone is installed or is just a program folder sitting on the desktop containing the .exe and other program stacks. I don't use any installer for OSX, just dragging the application to the applications folder. When the free trial is launched for the first time, some custom properties which define the trial period are set in one of the stacks and saved. If the user buys the program, he receives an unlock code that also, among other things, sets some custom properties in one of the program stacks and saves it. In Vista this all works as expected in the Rev IDE and also works as a program folder with the .exe inside on the desktop. But when I actually install the program and launch it from the start menu, the necessary custom properties for defining the the trial period and then the unlocking process are not saved. I use the Inno setup compiler to create my Windows installers, and again, it always worked perfectly in XP. As you can see, I don't know a lot about Windows, I've only gotten pretty good at what it takes to get my standalones working in XP. So I guess the question is this; What is different about Vista that an installed applications works differently than one that isn't installed? Why won't it save some simple custom properties once the standalone is actually installed? Or does the problem lie in the Inno setup compiler? And is it the same for Windows 7? Any tips would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Difference between XP and Vista/7?
Thanks Shao Tiemo for the replies! I guess I didn't make myself very clear, or I don't completely understand your suggestions, which is of course very likely, as I am one of those weird Mac-based Rev users who only understand Macs and Rev and not much else, and certainly nothing about Windows. In the Rev IDE I have a stack - let's call it splashScreen that becomes the standalone application. There are also stacks myData, theApp, appGraphics and a couple of others. When I set the standalone application settings for the stack splashScreen, in the stacks pane I then add the stacks myData, theApp and appGraphics and the others. This gives me a standalone with the .exe and the added stacks in the program folder (Windows) or the application Package Contents MacOS (OSX). All very basic. When the application opens, it opens the added stacks, which in my simple understanding ARE the program, that is, what the user actually uses. The splash screen app is just a construction to allow changes to the actual program stacks. I learned this 5 years ago from this very list and have been doing it this way ever since. There are hundreds of posts in the rev digest suggesting this - changes in a standalone application cannot be saved so make a splash screen the actual application and include the other stacks that might need to accept changes. So just now I found out the when I run the application splashScreen in Vista / 7 and want to do this; set the whatEver of stack myData to true save stack myData it isn't saved. But it isn't saved only when the application is installed via the installer I made with Inno. If the program folder is just sitting on the desktop, it does work as expected. Shao Sean wrote: While most systems are pretty relaxed about it, if the user trying to use your software does not have privileges to modify the content of the directory your scheme stops working.. I have to say I don't understand this, but my natural question is how do you give the user such priveleges? Is it even possible? further; In Vista (and I am assuming Windows 7) there is the lovely virtual store which might be happening with your code seeing as it works when on the desktop but not installed in the Program Files directory.. Try saving your license stack to a safe folder (appdata) and see if that works better for you.. I assume by license stack you mean what I called myData. So how do I do this? How can I get that stack out of the program folder and into the Program Data folder? This question clearly shows how little I know and how dependent I am on the simplicity of RunRev - my standalones are 100% self contained - no databases, no writing to external files - just rev stacks and custom properties. Which al worked perfectly until Vista/7. Tiemo wrote; as Shao already pointed out, you may not write / update to the program dir,as far, as you haven't given full access for a normal user to your sub dir. The installer (inno) gets from vista once admin persmissions because of the name of the setup to allow him to write to the program dir. But your standalone may not. again, how do I give that access to a user if it is at all possible? The problem for people like me is that what worked in MacOS, OSX and every version of Windows throught XP sp3 suddenly doesn't work anymore. And no mention by RunRev that saving changes to stacks included in the standalone no longer works, at least no mention that I have ever seen. I have been reading this digest for 5 years now for the great tips and ideas, but I don't recall seeing that the entire stack paradigm and the use of changeable custom properties changed completely when Vista was relased. True, I don't read every post as carefully as the ones that are directly applicable to my work, but I have to think that I would have noticed something this important! Then again maybe not ;-) Besides that, I am still using Rev 2.8. In newer versions does in mention in the sandalone settings that just adding stacks in Vista / 7 will not allow changes to those stacks? Does it put the added stacks somewhere else so that it does work? I am very confused at this point and would appreciate some more help. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Windows specialFolderPath
Quick question about specialFolderPaths in Windows; specialFolderPath 35 (XP) C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/ Application Data specialFolderPath 35 (Vista) C:/ProgramData Is sfp 35 in Windows 7 the same as in Vista? And this is probably as dumd as it sounds, but systemVersion 6 = Vista, can i assume that systemVersion 7 is Windows 7? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
creating and/or replacing stacks
Can anybody point me to a tutorial or a demonstration or anything that emplains creating or deleting or replacing stacks from a standalone? What I want to do is make a standalone that updates another standalone by replacing one of its stacks with one from the updater stack. As basic as this probably is, I haven't a clue how to do it, and all atttempts to figure it out have failed. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: creating and/or replacing stacks
Jim, Thanks for the links. I guess I didn't phrase my question very well. My standalones have always been splash screens with the actual stacks in the program folder. It's one of those stacks I want to be able to replace with the update, so this isn't new to me. It's actually figuring out how to do it that I need help with, but after a quicl browse through the links you provided, I am pretty sure I will find my answers. Thanks again. Cheers Lars Can anybody point me to a tutorial or a demonstration or anything that emplains creating or deleting or replacing stacks from a standalone? What I want to do is make a standalone that updates another standalone by replacing one of its stacks with one from the updater stack. As basic as this probably is, I haven't a clue how to do it, and all atttempts to figure it out have failed. First concept for you to realize is that a standalone is a compiled app or exe, which means once compiled, it can no longer be modified. This is kind of like an oil painting where the artist wants to go back and replace a blue color with one that is a little darker. Can't undo the painting, but you can make a new one and change the blue color. For Rev, this means go back and compile a new version of your standalone. What you can do is create a standalone that uses stacks that are not part of the standalone, then replace those stacks. There are many discussions on the list about this and the key word to look for is 'splash screen' ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
What's with the ¥ character?
May I'm wrong, but I think there is something odd about the yen sign (¥) I have a pait of almost identical scripts and each one is applied to a custom property. Among other things, the script filters the custom property with a certain item. In the first case, the item will be a letter and a number (a1, b2, c4, h3, p1, etc.) In the second case, the item will be the same with a ¥ as the first character (¥a1, ¥b2, ¥c4, ¥h3,¥1 p1, etc.). get lineoffset(line z in tText, the catsGrund of this stack) put item 2 of line it in the catsGrund of this stack into tFilter -- a1, b2, c4, h3, p1, etc. or ¥a1,¥ b2, ¥c4, ¥h3,¥1 p1, etc.-- filter tempList with * tFilter * put the num of lines in templist into fld (tn z) In the script applied to the custom property without the ¥ symbol, the script works. In the one with the ¥ sympol it doesn't work. Could this have something to do with how Rev deals with the ¥ char in a custom property? I'm just curious, because I've already worked around it using repeat for each line X in templist if tfilter is in item 6 in X or tfilter is in item 7 in X in L then put L cr after zTemp end repeat It works fine and within a millisecond or two just as fast, but again, I'm curious about that ¥. Cheers! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Vista folder path
I'm just now trying to get an old project working in Vista, and need to deposit a folder in the equivalent of the Application Data folder in XP. What must I add to the following? I know absolutely nothing about Visa, so I don't even know if there is an Application Data folder like the one in XP or where it is, and if there isn't one, where should this folder go (complete file path and specialFolderPath, if there is one.) if word 1 of the systemversion = NT then put specialFolderPath(35) into fPath else put specialfolderpath(system) into fPath end if Cheers! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
General Vista question
Eventually I will find some who runs Vista and test this all myself, but so far no luck. When I make a standalone for Windows, almost all of the little changes I need to make involve text. I need to change almost every field location and/or fixed line height and/ or margins, and I often make plaintext bold to avoid that jaggy Windows text. I do this with a script that runs the first time the Windows standalone opens. Will this be necessary in Vista or is text handled, that is, diplayed differently making these little changes unnecessary. Anyone developing on a Mac and making similar changes for Windows and especially Vista? Also, I use the Inno Setup Compiler to make the installer. Does it work in Vista or will I need a different setup compiler, and if so, which one? Eventually I will find a Vista user, not so easy in Estonia, but it would be nice to know what to expect, right? Cheers! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: referenced images vs. images?
Thank you for the tip Sarah! However something is wrong. Terribly and strangely wrong. I made a folder with all photos, delete all corresponding photos in the stack, and reimported them as referenced images. The stack is STILL 550 megs! The standalone contains the following: 12 kbthe stack that is the standalone 36 kba second main stack 628 kb all images in the in the main stack that are the icons and graphics of the interface 5.8mb the referenced folder that contains the photos in question 2.3mb the executable This adds up to about 8.8 mb. The main stack has 130 cards all with the same background group, so without the photos, it should be about 700 kb tops, so the standalone shoud be about 9.5 mb. But it is STILL 550 mb! And it takes 8 seconds to launch, either in Rev or as a standalone. It saves itself when it closes, which also takes 8 seconds. In both cases the beachball shows up. I opened a copy of the main stack and deleted all cards but one, including even the card with the 628 kb of icon images. I saved it, closed Rev and guess what? The stack file is is still 550 mb The build has nothing included at all, no ask/answer, no database support, no fonts, absolutely nothing! Has anyone ever seen anything like this? It is driving me crazy! Cheers, Lars by the way, in my original post below, it says 500 megs of images. that is not even correct (I just lookes at the file size without thinking.) There are only 5.8 megs of photos, so if I left them in the main stack, it should still be under 7 mb! I have a stack with a lot of images, about 500 megs worth. Opening and saving the standalone is very slow, so I redid the entire stack and imported the same images as referenced images from a separate folder instead of simply importing them into the stack. I thought that the stack size would drop from 550 megs to 50 megs by having referenced images outside of the stack, but it doesn't - it stays the same size and is just as slow. Also, when saving the standalone, there seems to be no way to include the folder that contains the referenced images, and in the standalone there is just a grey rectangle where the images are supposed to be, obviously because the wasn't included in the standalone. What am I doing wrong? Have I misunderstood the concept of referenced images completely? I found no answers in the Rev docs and am a little bit frustrated! If the size of your standalone hasn't changed, it appears that the images are still stored as part of the stack. You will need to clear them all out before building - put empty into img MyImage will work I think. Then your standalone needs to know where to find the images relative to your standalone. In Mac, the standalone is actually buried inside an application bundle, which is a folder in disguise. Get into it by right-clicking on the app and choosing Show Package Contents. Drill down in to the folders and you will find your standalone. Your app needs to look for the images folder relative to this location. The easiest is probably put the images folder inside the bundle, so it is hidden from the casual user. If you put it in the MacOS folder with your standalone, you can use the same references as for the Windows version. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
referenced images vs. images?
How is this supposed to work? I have a stack with a lot of images, about 500 megs worth. Opening and saving the standalone is very slow, so I redid the entire stack and imported the same images as referenced images from a separate folder instead of simply importing them into the stack. I thought that the stack size would drop from 550 megs to 50 megs by having referenced images outside of the stack, but it doesn't - it stays the same size and is just as slow. Also, when saving the standalone, there seems to be no way to include the folder that contains the referenced images, and in the standalone there is just a grey rectangle where the images are supposed to be, obviously because the wasn't included in the standalone. What am I doing wrong? Have I misunderstood the concept of referenced images completely? I found no answers in the Rev docs and am a little bit frustrated! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Will pay for help
In the next 10 weeks I will need a lot of help, which I will of course pay for, in order to build the Kagi KRM into a standalone. I have been asking the Kagi support staff about this, and apparently their support staff does not actually build the KRM into your program, not even for pay. You must do it yourself using their APIs (I need OSX and Windows) and theirin lies the rub. I am not capable of any programming whatsoever but Rev Transcript, so I cannot work with their APIs. They did send me a stack a Rev developer once made called Kagi External for Revolution v1.0 that apparently makes it all possible to use theeKRM, but I am not capable of implementing it myself. I think the KRM process of buying and unlocking with a click without navigating a store, shopping carts, checkouts etc. would be the perfect way to go, at least for me with this particular project, and worth every penny of the fees thay charge for using this service. If you are interested, please contact me off list with an estimate of your fee, when you could fit this into your schedule and roughly how long it would take, including getting the final product set up with Kagi's support staff. Or does anyone recommend another solution to accomplishing the same thing the KRM does? I really like their model. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Kagi as a distributor?
Does anyone out there use Kagi to distribute/sell their applications? I am considering using Kagi but my problem is that I just do not have the skills to use their APIs to incorporate their automatic registrationunlock keys into my rev made applications. Whos distriutes through Kagi and what can you tell me about the entire process of building their distribution and security features into rev standalones? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: Text Tricks invitation...
I was just thinking about a text question I have no clue whatsover on how to solve when I saw Richmonds post, so let me ask you text experts about it if I may. Suppose I have been working with an IPA font for a while, but want to switch to a different one, but the new one uses different key combinations (straight key, alt+key, shift+key, etc.) to produce the characters. It seems that I would need a script that replaces each old keystroke comination with the new one. I have to assume this is possible, and most likely not too difficult to do, but again, I haven't the on foggiest how to do this. The idea here is that my Times IPA font is neither free nor distributable, but there is an alternative free IPA font that CAN be distributed, so I was thinking about including that one in my standalones and using revFontLoad (which I also haven't really figured out yet.) Suggestions and tips? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
I couldn't agree more! Personally I doubt I will ever learn to use/ code Apple's Xcode or the coming iPhone SDK, but I am sure some of you real cracks out there could develop a rev stack that can convert what is necessary to run a standalone on those devices. Or do the rev developers themselves plan to make that platform a standalone option? I guess that can't really be answered until everyone has seen the SDK,but isn't it theoretically possible? I am keeping my fingers crossed! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Property Profile Problems
Does anyone out there make wxtensive use of Property Profiles, because I need a little help. First problem; how do I prevent property profiles from creating themselves? For example - I have about 200 objects, mostly buttons, with 2 profiles - Master and Other. The two profiles are either icon (one for each profile) or visible (true or false). If I have the stackFile in Other and add a new object/ layer, a layer property is added to all two profile objects in front of it. The answer of course to only add objects when in the Master Profile, but sometimes I forget. Not that this doesn't make sense - it certainly does, but I would still like to know if there is any way to avoid this if I happen to forget which profile I am in and make some changes. It may not seem too important, but in this case it is, because of all the scripts in this project the only one that isn't virtually instaneous is switching profiles, which takes about 1/3 of a second. But at one point it started taking almost a second, at which point I discovered the hundreds of extra layer properties. One all were deleted and corrected, the switch was back to 1/3 of a second. Right now I am busy correcting this once again, and I was wondering if it is at all possible to avoid. I kind of doubt it, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? The second is more difficult. I have some homemade ask and answer dialogs that involve a group moving into and back out of place, imitating a sheet. This by the way was a great suggestion to replace visual effects (sorry, I forgot who suggested this to me) but it is causing one problem. If for example I slide an answer dialog into place while in Master and then switch the profile to Other before answering (which slides the dialog group back out) a rect property is created fo all the objects in the group, and when I switch back to Master all the rects of the objects are wrong, because the group moves while in the Other profile. Is the only way around this to prevent the profile switch while an ask or answer dialog is visible and in place? I hope someone can suggest a way around this. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Leopard throb images in a standalone
First of all, many thanks to Sarah, Jaqueline and Jim for the concise and very easy to understand suggestions for my recent question about using a stack with many cards vs. listfield/custom properties. As simple as their suggestions were, they had tiny bits that are not clear in the documentation, at least not for a non-coder like me. The results are terrific, anywhere from a script taking 60 vs 1600 milliseconds down to 18 vs 34! A terrific speed improvement, thanks again! One strange thing though - Originally my data was in the many card stack stored as custom properties, now all of that is a single, very large custom property, so when I deleted the many card stack and made a new standalone, I expected the file size to be about the same if not slightly smaller, but instead it has grown by a couple of megs (about 30%!). The new single custom property is just the sum of all the old custom properties, and the only other changes are in a bunch of scripts, which for the most part got shorter. Where did the extra size come from? Next question - how, if at all possible, can I make images in a standalone selectable and copy and pastable? In the IDE, obviously, yes, but clicking on an image in my standalone does not select it. I am starting to think it is not meant to be, but that would seem odd to me. Last question - some of you may recall my Leopard throb question from a week ago - where the shadow around the active window throbs in Leopard when a handler with a visual effect is executed. Now I know what causes it, but I don't know how to fix it, if that is even possible. It happens with visual effect wipe on a window that has a window shape, but not on a rectangular window. Any way around this? I really like my app windows to have slightly rounded corners, but I also like some things to slide in and out like sheets. Ides anyone? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Cards vs Listfield/custom properties revisited
I followed the discussion about using stacks of many cards vs. a listfield vs. a custom property vs. a database. I use a data stack with around 5,000 cards with anywhere from 4 or 5 to over a hundred custom properties in each (out of 250 possible), so I decided to try everyone's advice. I created a custom property with 1 line with up to 250 items for each of the data cards. My first speed tests were quite promising at first (example: what took 1765 milliseconds the card way took just 60 milliseconds the new way.) Being a non coder type (please be patient with my lack of expertice), I haven't been able to find ways to translate all of the search and sort operations I do. Most things rely on the very basic mark cards where some custom property = some condition lock screen lock messages --the data stack has an openCard handler that affects my main stack repeat for q = 1 to the num of marked cards go next marked card do something end repeat unmark all cards --mark cards the way they were before this operation unlock messages unlock screen While this has always been fast enough for me, I am trying to learn better ways to do things, but after trying such things as filter with or match etc, I have found no way do something that has the same result as mark cards where Is there anything that would have the effect of the (apparently not possible) command mark lines in it where ...? I suppose it would look something like this: put the mData of this stack into gData --loads that big custom prop somehow get rid of lines where something is not in a certain item of those lines set the tempData of this stack to gData do things with the tempData of this stack I have been fiddling with this in my amateurish way for a couple of days now, and would really appreciate a simple to understand push in the right direction. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Window trobbing in Leopard
I have noticed a very slight throb effect in Leopard that I have never seen befor. It is not that flicker or flash that was discussed on many occasions in the past, just a very slight change that I can only descrive as a thob. It's as if that light shadow around the active window in OS X lightens a tiny bit and returns to normal - it is just a millisecond, but still noticeable. It only happens when the screen is locked and then unlocked with a visual effect - in this case wipe. It's almost as if the window goes from active window to not active window and back to active in an instant. There are only a handful of handlers in my app that use this, like dialogs appearing to slide down and up like a sheet. I love how it looks normally, so I'd like to keep it. I tried to recreate this with a new simple stack, but it behaves normally. This particular app has been a work in progress since Panther and pre rev version 2. Has anyone seen this and maybe figured out a workaround? I does the same thing in the IDE as well. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
hypothetical iPhone question
As we get closer to the release of the first iPhone SDK, I have a couple of (probably not too bright) questions. Once the SDK is available, will it be possible for RunRev to somehow adapt Revolution to enable iPhone standalones? Is this even a valid question in the first place? I have been using Rev for years now, but it is the only type of development I do. I have no idea how to use X-code or any other development environment or programming language, but I would be very keen to make simple apps for the iPhone and iPod Touch in the future. Are they any rumours about RunRev getting on this bandwagon in the future? What would it take from Runrev to do this? Is it at all possible to make iPhone apps with Rev as it is now? Just very, very curious! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
help with profiles
I'm having a tough time working with property profiles and could use some advice. Is there any way to prevent new profiles from being created for an object - behind my back, so to speak? For example when I switch profiles, all that should happen is that the icons of about 150 objects get changed, in this case to the same icon in a different language. Also the menu items for about a dozen pop-up menus get switched to the other language. What happens is that if a comletely unrelated script calls for an object to move to a different location or be hidden, the rect and/or visible becomes a new profile property, so when I switch profiles later, objects move or are hidden when they shouldn't be. So far as a workaround I have created masks for objects that a script hides, so instead of hiding the object, the script shows the mask instead, in effect hiding it. This is fine with me. For objects that move, all I can do so far is tweek the interface a little, making the movement unnecessary. This changes my interface in small ways that really aren't my first choice. The only other thing I can think of is to add lines and if- thens to the script that switches the profiles, but this seems to defeat the purpose of profiles in the first place. I already knew that working with property profiles can be a little bit tricky - the first time I tried to use profiles a couple of years ago as a newbie, I sort of created a nightmare for myself - I had added a single profile to quite a few objects while still designing the interface, so as the interface took shape and I moved things around, or hid them or changed sizes, etc, my objects suddenly had dozens of profiles each and the profile switch took forever and did dozens of things I didn't want it to. Back then I gave up on profiles. I thought I had a handle on it now, but I guess I don't. For example besides the two things I already mentioned, I noticed that the switch took a little bit longer from Master to the second profile than from the second back to Master and when I looked at the profiles, most of the Master profiles suddenly had a layer profile - I guess I must have changed a layer somewhere, which of course changed the layer of every object in front of it. Now I am deleting the layer property from dozens of profiles. What am I missing that could have prevented all of this? In preferences, the create profiles automatically is unchecked, and I honestly have no idea what the don't save settings when switching profiles even means. Any tips? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
cross platform installer made with rev
I could swear a while back one you pros out there mentioned an installer someone made with rev for installing software including EULA and everything else that belongs there. I wanted to buy a copy, but I can't find it anywhere! Anyone remember this or made such an installer yourself? Did I just imagine this? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: launch app from browser
Thanks for replies to my original question, but I guess either what I had in mind and thought would be simple either isn't possible at all, or I just didn't ask the question in a way that any normal person could understand what I was trying to say. Sorry about that. When I say launch an app from a browser I do not mean launch or download an app on a server and I don't mean anything involving file down or uploading or anything of the sort. I don't mean anything involving any connection to the web or another server or another machine at all. I just mean launch in the simplest sense of the word - launch an app that resides on your hard drive. For example on a Mac in Mac Help you are looking at the help file for connecting to the internet. On that page in the help file there are linksopen network diagnostics and open network preferences, which when clicked launch tose apps. These links do exactly what single clicking on a dock icon does or douple clicking on an app icon in the finder, or for that matter single clicking on an app icon in the Windows start menu or double clicking on an app shortcut on the desktop or on an app icon in the programs directory. All I want to know is whether or not you can have a hyperlink or button in an html document (that resides on your hard drive) and is open in your browser and that launches another application which also resides on your hard drive, exactly the way clicking on a mailto link in your browser opens your mail app or clicking on a link to a H.264 video file launches Quicktime Player. Or just like clicking on a web link in a rev document launches your browser and internet connection or using launch in a rev script launches any app you want it to launch. In this case the app I want to lauch is a simple standalone created in Rev. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: launch app from browser
Thanks for the quick reply Stephen! however; Quick, easy question; I need to launch a standalone from within a web browser, Why? The why is easy. A publisher making a multi-media language course is interested in integrating a vocabulary trainer of mine into their project. Their project is not a web app, but it is done in html and runs locally on the user's machine in their web browser. My app is a standalone and wouldn't run in the browser, of course, but it makes sense to me to be able to click a button or link in the language course html document that launches it. I guess this is just to allow the user to lauch my trainer without navigating to it in the start menu or finder. Again, I know absolutely no html or java or the like, but I somehow assume there is a way to do this, just like clicking an e-mail address on a web page launches your mail app, or clicking on a link to an h.264 video on a web site launches Quicktime Player locally, or clicking a download link on the Veoh site launches Veoh player. And in these three cases a file path is not necessary, although if a file path IS necessary, that wouldn't be a problem, since their installer would also install my app, so the file path is known. I do use Dreamweaver/Fireworks and have searched through their help files for this and found no hint. And since opening an app via start menu - dock - finder etc. is as basic as it gets, I guess this is not a big deal. It is, however, a nice little convenience for the user, so I thought I'd try to see whether it is indeed possible. Any advice? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
launch app from browser
Quick, easy question; I need to launch a standalone from within a web browser, but I know absolutely zero html etc. This would be an html file either installed on a user's hard drive or being read from a CD-rom with Firefox, Explorer, Safari, etc. The standalone is already installed on the hard drive. In rev the button script is simply; on mouseUp if the platform is macOS then launch /applications/eestikeeluus.app else launch C:\Program Files\eestiKeel\eestiKeel.exe end if end mouseUp How do I script a button in this html file to do the same thing? Please remember, I know no html. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: Windows question
Hey there Chip and Jaqueline (and anyone who can help!) I have an application made on a Mac that I am testing in Windows and it does not show up with the other open apps with alt+tab. The interesting thing is that I have similar applications I have made that DO show up there, and I made them the same way with the exact same .ico file for the icons. Furthermore, when I minimize this app to the task bar, it doesn't actually do that - it collapses to a small rectangular box just above the task bar that needs to be double clicked, not single clicked to expand again. Obviously something is wrong Perhaps you have the stacks decorations set to empty? If so, then it won't show up in the task bar. I believe also applications which window type are set to palette have the same issue. Chip; Well, this apparently isn't quite correct. I have other standalones with decorations set to empty and they behave just fine. And no palette windows either. And even more interesting is the following - this is an app that needs a bunch of tweeks when I make the Windows standalone - mostly things like object positions and fonts, etc. But the big problem lies in something I have been struggling with for a long time. The Mac version has a window shape and decorations set to empty. Yet it collapses into the task bar correctly! It show up in the alt+tab open applications list! The shape is simply a rectangle with rounded corners. Several scripts use visual effect reveal (which has to be changed to wipe in windows to do the same thing). Visual effects DO NOT work in Windows with this windowshape! But they do work just fine with a regular rectangle shape. So I change the stack shape to a regular rectangle as one of my tweeks. Now the visual effects work but it does not collapse into the taskbar AND does not show up in the alt+tab apps list. So to summaraize, I can either have the shape I want and no visual effects or the visual effects but not the shape that I want. In both cases the decorations are empty. I have redone the Windows standalone on the mac and the Windows machine and in both cases once with the tweeks being done before the standalone is made and once with the tweeks done after the standalone is done, but always with the same results. I just cannot get both the shape and the effects that I want in Windows! But then again I am a windows idiot and fully realize my shortcomings there. My Windows testing machine is a cheap HP running XP home on a Celeron processor (Oh my god - could this be the reason effects don't work in Windows It never occurred to me before! Anyone?) If anyone has a minute to check this out, contact me offline and I will get the app to you with detailed instructions on recreating this bizarre problem. ... a little bit later... Ok, I have been fooling around and tried something for the first time, namely create the Windows standalone on my Windows test machine. I never did this before because it has always worked fine on the Mac and I am an idiot with Windows. Here is what happened - the standalone was created just fine, and it collapses properly to the task bar AND it shows up in the alt+tab open applications list. This is an acceptable solution, but there is one new problem - the application icon doesn't work. You shouldn't have to build on Windows, it's very odd. If it's reproducible, I hope you'll put it into the bug database. I haven't tried a Windows standalone in 2.8, but it was working fine in 2.7.x. So if it's broken, it's a new bug and now would be a good time to report it. Jaqueline: I goofed - this doesn't actually work - I made the standalone in Windows but forgot to do the tweeks that cause the collapse/alt+tab problems in the first place, so I will continue to make my standalone on the Mac. Cheers! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: find and replace
Thanks a million Jan! Wouldn't it be easier if you kept the transition separate in a custom handler that you could call from other places? The custom handler is definitely the way to go! It's almost embarassing, because I've been using custom handlers forever, but always a custom handler in a script that is only used in that script. Now I know! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Windows question
What would cause a standalone made with Rev to not show up in the open applications alt+tab window and not collapse to the task bar? I have an application made on a Mac that I am testing in Windows and it does not show up with the other open apps with alt+tab. The interesting thing is that I have similar applications I have made that DO show up there, and I made them the same way with the exact same .ico file for the icons. Furthermore, when I minimize this app to the task bar, it doesn't actually do that - it collapses to a small rectangular box just above the task bar that needs to be double clicked, not single clicked to expand again. Obviously something is wrong, and even though I am an admitted idiot when it comes to Windows, as far as I know nothing was done differently with my Windows apps that behave properly in these two respects and this one that doesn't. Everything else in this app seems to work flawlessly in Windows. Any ideas out there? ... a little bit later... Ok, I have been fooling around and tried something for the first time, namely create the Windows standalone on my Windows test machine. I never did this before because it has always worked fine on the Mac and I am an idiot with Windows. Here is what happened - the standalone was created just fine, and it collapses properly to the task bar AND it shows up in the alt+tab open applications list. This is an acceptable solution, but there is one new problem - the application icon doesn't work. I copied the .ico file over to the Windows machine with the other files and in the standalone application settings chose it as the icon, but I just get some generic icon in my standalone. Now, this happens sometimes in OSX, but I know that if I create an archive of it and unstuff it, the icon then works. Is there a way to do something similar in Windows? I am still curious why the standalone generated in OSX misbehaves with alt+tab and minimize because I prefer working on my Mac. But if i need to do the standalones in Windows, so be it - but how do I get the icons to work? Revolution 2.6 (both Mac and Windows) OS 10.4.9 Windows XP Home Cheers! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
find and replace
Hi all, I am trying to duplicate the find and replace tool in the rev IDE in a button script. I have a large project in macOSX that needs a few dozen little tweeks when I make a Windows standalone. I put these all into a button so when I make a new Windows standalone just one click gives me all the little changes. The one thing I haven't succeeded in is a single word that appears in about 20 button and stack scripts. It seems that visualEffect reval needs to be visualEffect wipe to get the same result in Windows. So for now I just do a find and replace with the scripts box checked, but it would be nice to include this in my tweek button in order to doo all tweeks without opening Rev. I assume it's just a question of getting the syntax correct for: replace reveal with wipe in this stack and its stack files -- using the find and replace tool with scripts checked What should it be? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: drawers in Tiger
I am using 2.6.5.108 and the lhe latet version of Tiger. I can't quite remember when the doesn't-slide-out behavior of drawers started, but I am at least fairly sure it was the same time that the sheets stopped sliding out. Both drawers and sheets do, however, slide back in correctly. The thing is it might correspond to when I installed rev 2.6.5.108 or possibly a tiger update. Again, I started making my own ask/answer dialogs long ago, and haved done anything with drawers for quite some time. I wanted to think that one of the settings or properties of the drawer stack was wrong, but have found nothing wrong, and even if I did, it still wouldn't explain why sheets don't slide out - they just appear in place, just like the drawers. Seriously, am I the only one experiencing this with sheets and drawers? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Drawers in Tiger
I haven't used drawers for a while, but I noticed that when I drawer a stack it doesn't slide out, rather it just appears where it should, but when I close it again, it slides in. I used drawers a lot back in Panther and they always worked as expected. I have, however noticed that sheets in Tiger don't slide out but they do slide in. I assume these two things are related? I don't mind that the sheets don't slide out because I always make and animate my own ask and answer dialogs, but I do want the drawer to slide out. Any tips on this? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE Is this weird or is it just me?
Wow, I didn't expect so many responses and opinions on this small matter! And I do agree (conditionally) with both. I still find it odd that mouseEnter does nothing but mouseUp does in the sense that a clickable opject under the disabled button is clicked. As far as transparency is concerned, i use my own icons, so in the disable state it doesn't look partially transparent, so it still seems strange. especially in deBug mode when mouseEnter doesn't call up the script and mouseUp brings up the script of the button behind it. Since both buttons actually do similar things, it took a while for me to even try deBug mode and figure this out. But i guess what i am really saying is either behavior for a disabled button is perfectly acceptable to me IF I KNOW ABOUT IT. Couldn't this have been mentioned in the docs? I mean for a non-programmer like me, when I first find something to use, like disable and enable, I look in the dictionary to see exactly how to implement it and what behaviour to expect. This reminds me of Dr. Strangelove's great line to the Russian ambassador - ze whole point of zis doomsday machine is lost - if you keep it a secret! Vy didn't you tell ze Vorld! Cheers, Lars we must not allow a mineshaft gap! Brehmer ps. another quickie - is there any way to do something like repeat for each marked card? I kinda doubt it, but I thought I'd ask. Just looking for something quicker than: get the num of marked cds repeat it times go next marked cd doThis, doThat end repeat Also, is there a way to navigate between cards in a stack with a preOpenCard handler and ignore preOpenCard? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Is this weird or is it me?
I just wrestled with a problem, finally solving it by trying something that in my opinion shouldn't be necessary, but why this was necessary makes no sense to me whatsoever. Can anyone explain this? Two buttons, one right behind the other one. When the one in front is visible and disabled, it's rollover icon, which I do with mouseEnter and mouseLeave, is disabled - so far so good - , but if it is clicked on anyway, the script of the button behind it is executed! After a lot of cursing and dumfoundedness, I tried moving it so it is NOT in front of the second one and it behaves as expected - disabled. OK, so put it behind the second one, and in all relevant scripts hide the one that is now in front so my purpose is served, but why is this necessary? Why does clicking on a disabled button cause the script of another button to run? Just very, very curious! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Application browser making me crazy!
I have a card with almost 500 layers, including about 20 groups and groups within groups, so it is sometimes handy to click on the sort by control button in the application browser to find something quickly. But 98% of the time it is better for me to have the browser sort by layer. But now, when I click on sort by layer and choose the browse tool, the browser switches back to sort by control. Is there any way to prevent this? It always seemed to me that sorting by layer is the default, but not any more. I can't seem to find a way to prevent this - very frustrating! Cheers, lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Object ID problems
Something like this happened to me about 20 months ago, and I can't remember for the life of me how I fixed it, I just remember it took quite a while and was very strange. Now it is happening again. I am importing images into a stack of images i use as icons for buttons in other substacks of this project, but suddenly when I import a new image, Rev gives it the name and ID number of an image that is already there! Now, we all know two objects in the same stack cannot have the same ID, so this causes strange problems, like one of the two with the same ID cannot be selected, so It can't be deleted or given a different ID number! The last thing I tried was create a second card in the stack and import more images, but the new card gets the same ID as an existing image on the first card, and subsequent imported images get existing ID's. I have trashed the pList and tried again, I have trashed Rev and reinstalled it, in short I think I have tried everything I can think of, but new objects get existing ID's and even the name of an existing image, regardless of what the name of the imported png file is! Has anyone ever seen anything like this? Is it a corrupt image? If so, how can I find it? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE Object id problems
Sorry, I think I may have solved it - the stack ID for whatever reason was ALSO not the same as the most recent object as it should have been, so in the mesagebox i changed the stack ID. This is something I didn't know could be done, but I guess I can, and the last image I imported got a new, unique ID. Phew!!! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Windows questions
Thanks again Ray! My stack has a windowShape (basically a rectangle with rounded corners used to avoid the standard controls), and when I lose that windowShape, your suggestions either worked perfectly (visual effect) or were no longer necessary (field insertion point.) And if I set the stack to no shape and set the decorations to empty, the fields and effects still work! So the new question is can a stack with a windowShape work properly in Windows? No mention in the docs about fields and visual effects not working in stacks with windowShape. I haven't tested it yet, but my guess the shape also has to do with move not working well. Any ideas or experience with this? Sounds like a bug to me... having a unique windowShape shouldn't affect whether a field gets a displayable insertion point or not, nor should it affect how object-based visual effects are implemented. After further fooling around, I think it must be a bug. I have created new duplicate stacks from scratch and the result is the same. With a unique windowShape, the built in visual effects are sporadic and buggy and I definitely can't get the insertion point blinking i-beam! By not using the windowShape I can get around some of my problems in a way that I am at least satisfied, but not others. Is there, for example, a way to get around the standard Windows closeStack dialog when the close window button is clicked? So far I have tried on closeStack do this do that end closeStack but I just get the standard Windows close dialog. Looking in Bugzilla, it appears that a report was made about visual effects being broken with windowshape windows in OS X (Bug #3274), but this was reported as fixed in 2.7. Perhaps the problem was also in Windows and not reported there? And there is no entry AFAICT about the loss of an insertion point in windowShaped windows. So Lars, it sounds like you should create a couple of bug entries in Bugzilla... if you haven't done that before, contact me offlist and I'll tell you how. Klaus already taught me this about 18 months ago and I think I can find his instructions again, but I am wondering whether this is worthwhile. I am using 2.6 and will probably not get 2.7 for quite a while. I have no idea whether this problem exists in 2.7, and when I check for updates, it only says 2.7 is available for download, leading me to believe that should this still be a bug, it would not be fixed in 2.6. I mean there must be countless bug fixes since I bought 2.6, but there are no updates for 2.6. And again, I can't possibly know if this works in 2.7 and would be wasting the bug fixers valuable time by reporting it. What to do? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
A couple of Windows questions
I guess I'm an idiot when working in Windows, but a few simple questions: 1. How can I make sure that the i-beam cursor is visible in a text field? I am tweaking a windows version of a Mac app, and sometimes the i-beam is there and sometimes it isn't. I compared the fields in question and they seem identical - focusable, auto hilite text, traversal on, share text, etc. The cursor changes to an i-beam when it passes over the field, but is invisible when inserted, but i can type and select - seems weird without that blinking i-beam, which a user would definitely expect to see. 2. Is there anything special about move in Windows - I have some scripts that moveobjects, and sometimes they work, albeit it a little bit jerky, sometimes they don't happen at all and other times the object just shows up at the destination with no mevement in between. 3. What up with visual effects in Windows? OK, I admit I am doing something that isn't mentioned at all in the docs, and that is showing groups on a card with effects like wipe, scroll and reveal (the docs only mention transitions between cards and stacks.) but they work on the Mac. At first I thought maybe that's just a little bonus on the Mac, but then I saw that in a couple of instances they DO happen in Windows! Similar groups, same effect, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Some built in effects don't seem to work at all. This is a childrens progam, and the cheesy motion effects are important. At first I thought it might be the fact that this is a cheap machine with a Celeron processor, but some things work, others don't. A lot of you must have had these problems and found solutions, right? I am not ragging on Windows, - heck! - a previous problem of mine, namely inserting a field and wanting the keyboard map to switch to Russian in the case of a Russian text field, and to Estonian in the case of an Estonian field works automatically in Windows, but not at all on the Mac. By the way, does anyone know why this is and how to fix it on the Mac? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Windows questions
Thanks Ken for the quick reply, but the nature of the problem has changed somewhat after some experimentation. In my stack, increasing the field height didn't help, there is nothing overlapping and the visual effects using lock and unlock screen didn't help either, so I fooled around a bit and found something else that seems to be responsible. My stack has a windowShape (basically a rectangle with rounded corners used to avoid the standard controls), and when I lose that windowShape, your suggestions either worked perfectly (visual effect) or were no longer necessary (field insertion point.) And if I set the stack to no shape and set the decorations to empty, the fields and effects still work! So the new question is can a stack with a windowShape work properly in Windows? No mention in the docs about fields and visual effects not working in stacks with windowShape. I haven't tested it yet, but my guess the shape also has to do with move not working well. Any ideas or experience with this? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: delayed mouse clicks
This isn't as elegant as some of the the other solutions, but it gets the job done, especially when you want no clicks anywhere at all while a script is running. I just put a transparent button with no script that covers the entire stack in the top layer. on whatEver show btn preventActions --the script in question hide btn preventActions end whatEver Greetings from sunny Estonia! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: Languages, but what the heck?
First of all thanks a boatload to Devin for his suggestions. To bad the Russian solution only works for answer and not ask, but I tested it anyway for future reference and, yes, it works. The keyboard map solution really did it for me though! However, with this in place I thought I was in the clear but I ran into the most frustrating thing that I have ever seen in Rev, and it almost cost me a laptop-hurled-against-the-wall, and still might! I hate to waste people's time with something so insanely simple, but this is too weird! Has anyone every had a simple line work in the message box but not in an object handler? This is so incredibly simple and the exact same thing is in a number of my applications and always works as expected, but suddenly this happened to me in a new project, and believe me, this is the simplest of scripts. All it should do is this: after choosing a book in a popUp button, a number representing that book is put into a custom property, the tBook, of a chapter-choosing button. After then choosing a chapter number from that popUp, there is another custom property, the tChap, also just a number. The two are then combined to become the bChap, that looks, for example, like this: 4,5 where 4 is the number of the textbook and 5 is the chapter number. Each card in this stack has a custom property, call it the tBookChap, with several lines in it, each one representing a book number and a chapter number, for example; 2,3 (book 3, chapter 2, etc) 3,5 5,2 The final step is to mark the cards in the desired chapter of the desired book. Incredibly simple, but it suddenly doesn't work. mark cds where the bChap of me is among the lines of the tBookChap of this cd This has always worked for me before. This time, it worked 1 time and then never again. At one point, clicking on the button didn't even bring up the popUp menu! I have renamed the custom properties, tried not combining the the 2 custom properties: mark cds where (the tBook of me),(the tChap of me) is among the lines of the tBookChap of this cd Both of these work in other stacks, and work in the message box. I then took a popUp button just like this one from another stack, pasted it into this stack, and once it worked one time and then never again! I started trying all kinds of things, like actually having a script replace (the bChap of me) in the script in question with the desired number. Believe it or not, this worked one time and never again but always works in the message box. In deBug mode, using the message box I could see that the custom properties were always in the right place at the right time. Still nothing worked. As a last resort, I replaced mark cds where the bChap of me is among the lines of the tBookChap of this cd with if the bChap of me is 1,1 then mark cds where 1,1 is among the lines of the tBookChap of this cd if the bChap of me is 1,2 then mark cds where 1,2 is among the lines of the tBookChap of this cd if the bChap of me is 2,1 then mark cds where 2,1 is among the lines of the tBookChap of this cd and a line every single book,chapter combination. again, this works in the message box, but not in the button. Things were getting a little buggy, so I trashed Rev and reinstalled it. Still nothing. And I have both real stacks and quickly made test stacks where all of these things work as expected. There is nothing unusual about this stack, nothing different from my other stacks. Consider this a most urgent plea for help that could get my blood presure back to normal and save the life of my computer! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: Language and what the heck?
Before anyone spends any time on my odd problem, I think I found out what was happening. How very embarassing! In my previous post I chose custom property names that would easily make sense, but they were not the ones I was actually using. It finally occurred to me to look carefully in the transcript dictionary to see if I was using names that are in use in transcript, and it seems that this was the case. Apologies to anyone who spent more than a few seconds thinking about this - all my own dumb fault! Sorry, thanks for the great help with my other snaggs! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Languages, keyboard maps and ask dialogs
I seem to have one last language-character problem begging for a solution. No one came up with a way to switch to the correct the keyboard map when a field is clicked in or otherwise active, so I guess I will have to live with that. I did find out something interesting through experimentation. At least with my app running in Windows, it DOES actually switch when a Russian field is clicked in, but when an Estonian field is clicked in, it switches to the English keyboard map. I assume this is because the machine I use was purchased in the US and there seems to be no way to ged rid of that keyboard. If I delete it and make the default map Estonian and click in ANY field with Roman/Latin mapping, the English keyboard magically reappears and is selected. I will try this on a locally bought machine that doesn't have English as the default keyboard map, which just might work. If notl, at the least the Russian fields seem to work. I suppose that most people who use different mappings on a regular basis are used to this problem, so I guess in the end it is not a big deal. On the Mac, it never switches to Russian. Not really a problem because 98% of potential users here have Windows machines, just a little frustrating for me working with it :-( Now to the last problem. No matter what I try with useUnicode, uniencode, unidecode etc. I can't get an ask dialog to work with Russian. All I want is to ask a user's name and put it into a field. The textFont of the field is Geneva,Russian So far the ask dialog is in Estonian. It asks for your name, and when you use the Russian keyboard map and type in a name, it shows up fine, in Russian in the name field. But I'd prefer to ask in Russian, but can't get Russian in the ask dialog. I have tried storing the question in a separate field, and as a custom property and in both cases tried every combination of uniEncode and uniDecode that works in other aspects of this project. I saw Sarah's post about the Danish .lproj being useful. Is this where I should be looking, because I have no idea what that is, how it works or how to implement it. Is there anything else i should be trying? I am once again really stumped here! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Keyboard maps (was foreign languages in script editor)
Thanks cubist! In a message dated 9/2/06 11:39:09 AM, Lars Brehmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When you have fields in different languages with different keyboard maps on a card, is it possible to have the keyboard map switch to the correct one when you click in a field? This is driving me nuts! And in both directions! When I am in one field and then click in one that needs a different keyboard map, the keyboard map does not change. On the other hand, sometimes when the keyboard map is set to the one I want and click in another field which needs the same map, my keyboard map switches to the wrong one! When I want the map to change it doesn't, when it shouldn't change it does! I am out of ideas on this one and would appreciate some help. Multiple different languages in use on different fields of one card? Yow! That's... unusual. I guess it is pretty unusual, but not for certain language learning stacks. In this case it is teaching Estonian vocabulary to Russians, so the cards have fields in Estonian (Roman alphabet with 6 letters with diacritical marks) and Russian (cyrillic alphabet). The cards display perfectly using uniEncode and uniDecode, but some cards are editable, so the user has to be able to type in Russian words in some fields and Estonian words in others. It would be great if a field is clicked in the keyboard map is adjusted accordingly. There are also utilities, among others for searching, where the cursor is placed in a field (select after text), so it would be terrific if when this happens, the user doesn't have to pay attention to which keyboard map is active and which one it should be... And automatically swapping to a different keyboard map at arbitrary times, well, that's even more so! Hmmm... ... so the switches aren't really arbitrary - some fields need one map, some need the other. My first thought: Don't bother with the OS keyboard maps -- especially if this project of yours is to be installed on machines that you don't *know* which keyboard maps are available. Well, I am certain that Russians using Windows can easily add the Estonian keyboard map (which I believe is included in Windows in the Regional and Language Options control panel, it just needs to be added via that control panel) and I know for a fact that the Mac users (like me, by the way) have both keyboard maps at their disposal, so this isn't really the issue. Instead, build your own maps, associating each rawKeyDown value with a particular character, and use the maps you created. Put all your keyboard maps into custom properties of the stack; give each relevant field a custom property that defines which keyboard map to use. Also give each relevant field this script: I appreciate the suggestion, but this is so far beyond my Rev programming abilities that I really wouldn't know where to start :-( I know some of you out there are making apps that have similar language requirements, so are there any other solutions for this? If not, I would most certainly appreciate more info (at the near idiot level ;-) ) on the suggestion below! cheers, Lars local MyKeyboard on focusIn GetLanguage end focusIn on openField GetLanguage end openField on GetLanguage put the PreferredLanguage of me into MyLang -- me is the field, right? put the KeyboardMap[MyLang] of this stack into MyKeyboard end GetLanguage on rawKeyDown ThisKey put character (ThisKey) of MyKeyboard into (the selectedChunk) -- assumes that a keyboard map is a string of characters, with -- the character for rawKeyDown N being the Nth character in the string end rawKeyDown This script is completely untested, but hopefully it will at least serve as a starting point to help you get where you want to go... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
keyboard maps (was foreign language in script editor)
Hi again Thanks to those who had suggestions on the foreign language in the script editor problem a few dyas ago. Problem solved, and the same suggestions helped me solve a similar problem with Russian text in custom properties (I had to convert the custom props to a hidden field in this case.) Now a (hopefully) final question along these lines. I seem to remember seeing this before, but I'll be darned if I can find it in the archives, so here goes; When you have fields in different languages with different keyboard maps on a card, is it possible to have the keyboard map switch to the correct one when you click in a field? This is driving me nuts! And in both directions! When I am in one field and then click in one that needs a different keyboard map, the keyboard map does not change. On the other hand, sometimes when the keyboard map is set to the one I want and click in another field which needs the same map, my keyboard map switches to the wrong one! When I want the map to change it doesn't, when it shouldn't change it does! I am out of ideas on this one and would appreciate some help. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
foreign languages in the script editor
A question for you pros out there. I couldn't find much on this in the archives, so I have to ask you all now: Is there a way to use non Roman characters in the script editor? I have a pop-up menu button that gives two language choices for the program interface language - Estonian and Russian. All buttons and a few other things have 2 profiles - Estonian and Russian with the labels and text in the appropriate language. The problem seems to be that when I put the Russian choices into the menuPick script it doesn't respond. When I switch profiles with the message box, all is well. Is there a workaround for this? Another way characterize the menu choices that are in Russian in the button pop-up? on menuPick pWhichItem switch pWhichItem case eesti keeles beep exit menuPick break case vene keeles revSetCardProfile rus break case на эстонском языке -- could this be called something like line 1 of the menu items for profile rus or something along those lines? revSetCardProfile Master break case на русском языке -- same as above beep exit menuPick break end switch end menuPick If there is not a known way to do this, anybody have any ideas? I need to demonstrate this project at the Estonian Ministry for Education and Research in a couple of weeks, so if I sound desperate, I guess I am. I have tired everything I can think of and I still hope I have the right idea but am making some little mistake I can't see myself. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: changing input keyboard
I also have a small problem with this in Windows, but my problem is slightly different. I have a project dealing with Estonian vocabulary and I just prepared a Windows version for testing purposes and the keyboard input is buggy in Windows. Wehn I switch the keyboard to Estonian it tends to switch immediately, unlike your problem, but when I click to create a new word card, the keyboard switches back to English. However when I click to edit fields on existing cards, it stays in Estonian keyboard mode. This seems to be 100% - edit card, keyboard stays correct - create new card, keyboard switches. Would it be possible to put something in the create card handler that forces they keyboard input to stay in Estonian? Also, and I've been wrestling with this for months now, Rev unicode doesn't handle the letters ž and š in Windows. (if these letters don't display properly in your mail software, they are the s and z with the diacritical mark above that looks like a little v). These work in any Windows word processor so I can always cut and paste these two letters into my rev standalone, and content produced on my Mac display the letters properly in Windows, I just cant create them in my standalone in Windows. Even though these letters aren't very common in Estonian, it would be nice to have this work correctly. I'd hate to have to tell users they need to cut and paste a few leters when using my app! Any tips from Windows users who know the keyboard input system well? Is there any way around this? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: mainStack scripts, now Windows??
Hi all! I thank Richard, Eric and Robert for their concise expalnations and help. Now that I have followed that advice (a different stack with no script is now the mainStack) I'm happy as a clam. One more thing though; One of the reasons I made the major changes to my project was to try to make the Windows version run better. I work on a Mac (OSX.4.2) and was a little shocked to see the newest Windows standalone. I hadn't done one for many months after I originally convinced myself it would work in Windows. Now that the program has grown and morphed into something far better and is nearing completion, I made another Windows build. I always knew I would need to buy Rev for Windows, at least to get the fonts looking their best, but I was a little disappointed when I launched it. On my Mac it is flawless, but on windows, so many things flicker and stacks in the backgound flash black when buttons are clicked in other stacks. And my mainStack flickers black when I navigate in it. Now, the background of the stack is black, and the mask that provides the windowShape is black, so a black flash makes sense, but why does it flash at all? I mean, sometines two side by side buttons, whose icons were made in Photoshop and other than their labels are indentical have tow different color shades!!! All of this before AND after the mainStack script thing. What can I expect from Rev for Windows? Does a windows standalone built in Windows function better? Will I be able to solve these problems working in Windows? Has anyone out there built an app on a make and found this type of behavior in a windows sandalone? How did you fix it? I have little Windows experience, heck, maybe it's the machine (cheap HP laptog, XP Home, 1.4 ghz Celeron, enough memory) Any advice before I shell out the cash for my second platform copy of Rev? As always, tips are appreciated, and in this case, being begged for! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re:commas in custom properties
Thanks Mark, Mark Malte! I knew the answer was simple, both work as I want them to work. I had never heard the term token before, otherwise I would have just looked it up in the docs dictionary or topics, which give a good explanation. On the other hand, in defense of Rev's docs, I SHOULD have looked up chunk expressions in the topics. To me it's just as valuable to get better at using the docs as it is to get better at using Rev, I suppose. Cheers! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
question about mainStack scripts
I have a problem with a preOpenCard handler in the stack script of the main stack of a huge project, that I never had before. I've totally redone a ton of things in the last 3 days, but I didn't think any of these changes would change the general working of it , yet something keeps cropping up that I haven't seen before don't understand. I have managed to fix it in almost every case but 2, which are kind of important. Maybe someone has the solution for me ;-) Here goes: In my main stack there is a preOpenCard handler. Now, every time one of my many subStacks is opened, the preOpenCard handler of the main stack tries to run, and since it involves objects unique to that stack, and the handler is trying to perform itself in the subStack, I get an error, something like oject doesn't exist, which is logical. In almost every case of this occurance, I solved it by putting a lock messages in the handler in question before the substack is opened. This works of course but when I just double click on a stack in the application browser to open it, the error of course still happens since messages are not locked. I can live with that, as long as the stanalone functions correctly. One problem though - some of the handlers in question call for a substack to be paletted, and just locking messages before the palette command doesn't prevent the error. This one I can't live with, because these substacks open as palettes in front of other stacks, and I don't the palette stack to disappear to the back when you click on one of the stacks behind it. Now, before I made the changes, the main stack had a preOpenCard handler, very much like the new one, and it never tried to run as other stacks were opened. Since my changes weren't all that drastic, I guess my question is - what is it about main stack scripts that I don't understand? Most of my subStacks have always had preOpenCard handlers in their stack scripts, and they have never tried to run at the wrong time. Only the main stack script does this. What is different about main stack scripts? And if the lock messages prevent it, why doesn't that work for a paletted substack? Help, as always, would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
commas in custom properties
Hi all! I'm sure I've seen this question on the list befrore, but darned if I can find it again! I use text stored in custom properties for word searching purposes, among other things, and I need to know how to ignore commas. For example a custom property that contains; to read, recite Using the broader search (mark cds where it is in the storedText of me) it wil return for to , read and recite. in a more precise word search (mark cds where it is among the words of the storedText of me) it will only return for to or recite , but obviously not for read because of the comma. I'm pretty sure this can be done somehow, most likely very easily, but I can't seem to discover it on my own. A little help (once again!) Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Open with?
I just downloaded 2.6 for a test drive, but now all of my rev files try to open with 2.6, even when it's in the trash. On the open with contextual menu, 2.5 isn't one of the options even though it is installed and has been for a while, and when I click get info it isn't an option in the open with there either. So with 2.6 in the trash, i can't double click on a rev file to open it (error message) and from within rev, I can't choose open file and navigate to a file that is in a standalone package. I can open the package and drag the rev file onto the rev 2.5 icon in my dock, but what a pain! I seem to remember seeing this in the list back when 2.6 was released, but no lick finding it in the list archives. Anyone know the way around this? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
This got a little off topic with the whole gender thing, so I thought I'd share an interesting fact with you all. In Estonian there IS only one word for he and she (same goes for him/ her and all other nominal cases.) In other words there is no gender distinction whatsoever in the language. By the way, there are no future verb forms either, so you can imagine how confused the dating scene can get ;-) Thought that might be amusing. Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
string: finding and marking in custom properties
I can't seem to find help in the docs for this one, which is probably an extremely simple syntax question. I have a find script that looks in the custom properties of the cards in a stack and marks the cards that match; do some stuff mark cds where (the findIt of me) is among the words of the ansP of this cd do some more stuff Now this works just fine but for several reasons I'd rather be looking for a string, not a word or a set of characters, but I can't get the syntax right. mark cds by finding string (the findIt of me) in the ansP of this cd this doesn't work and neither does any variation that I could come up with, same with mark cds where string xyz The contents of these custom props are in uniEncode UTF8. What am I doing wrong here? It seems like it shouldn't be a problem. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Mark by finding mark cds where - again
I was following the discussion earlier about mark by finding etc. and I have a quick question. I have a pretty good search thing going using custom properties, but I can't get it to work using string. For now I am using mark cds where (the findIt of me) is among the words of the wdP of this cd and have also used the same but with among the chars but would rather look for a string. This has to do with commas and brackets within the custom props. These custom props are in the uniEncode UTF8 format. is this somehow the problem, or am i just getting the syntax wrong when I use string instead of word or char? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: returnInfield
Friedrich I faced the exact same thing when I set all my fields to unicode textFont, which Chinese obviously is. I am uncertain whether you can somehow use unicode in the simple returnInfield \ find handler, because at the same time I decided to put the text of all card fields into custom properties which are only displayed as text in the fields when the card is called up. This led me to a far superior find system that marks cards that have the string in the customProps and then lists the results in a separate window with buttons that go to each card that contains the word, or string, and the label each button is the word or string I am looking for. In my case, you can search for an English or an Estonian word, but I choose to have the result button labels be the Estonian text, but both are possible of course. This involves using the uniEncode and uniDecode commands I got from the kind people from this list, and it is incredibly fast and efficient this way. My project is for Estonian vocabulary - when, for example, I search for the English word get, there are, for now, 8 matches (things like get dressed, get ready, get, get drunk, etc, so i have 8 buttons with 8 different Estonian labels, each one goes to the card in question. I would be glad to show you the various scripts I made that allow this. Contact me offline, if you'd like - I've been dying for the chance to really give something back, after gettting so much advice and help! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: returnInfield
Friedrich I faced the exact same thing when I set all my fields to unicode textFont, which Chinese obviously is. I am uncertain whether you can somehow use unicode in the simple returnInfield \ find handler, because at the same time I decided to put the text of all card fields into custom properties which are only displayed as text in the fields when the card is called up. This led me to a far superior find system that marks cards that have the string in the customProps and then lists the results in a separate window with buttons that go to each card that contains the word, or string, and the label each button is the word or string I am looking for. In my case, you can search for an English or an Estonian word, but I choose to have the result button labels be the Estonian text, but both are possible of course. This involves using the uniEncode and uniDecode commands I got from the kind people from this list, and it is incredibly fast and efficient this way. My project is for Estonian vocabulary - when, for example, I search for the English word get, there are, for now, 8 matches (things like get dressed, get ready, get, get drunk, etc, so i have 8 buttons with 8 different Estonian labels, each one goes to the card in question. I would be glad to show you the various scripts I made that allow this. Contact me offline, if you'd like - I've been dying for the chance to really give something back, after gettting so much advice and help! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
lock screen
Thanks for responses. I saw the debug mode note, but I am not in debug mode and it's both the IDE and the standalone. Here's where the flicker occurs: 1. lock screen go stack abc go stack cde -- a smaller stack that is now in front of abc, all other open stacks behind that. insert after...-- unlock screen -- you clearly see a white flash of stack abc , then abc goes to it's correct appearance, then cde appears. I't as if the end mouseUp screen was never locked and unlocked. At this point data is entered into a field on cde 2. lock screen go invisible stack ghi copy contents of various fields on ''ghi into fields on abc close stack cde close stack ghi open stack jkl insert after...etc unlock screen end mouseUp -- now it looks just like after the first lock screen, except jkl has replaced cde - however the various steps flash white even though the screen was locked while this took place! 3. lock screen close stack jkl palette stack abc unlock screen end mouseUp -- this time no white flash but abc vanishes briefly and reappears in palette mode. This one I can live with because there is no white flash, but what did the lock screen supposedly do? 4. (this one is the least important because it is rarely, if ever at all, used, but I am trying to understand this lock screen thing.) Screen is as it is after 3 with abc in palette mode. lock screen topLevel stack abc go stack cde --in one case go stack jki -- the the other case unlock screen end mouseUp -- as abc' goes from palette to topLevel, is briefly disappers and reappears with very, very slight flash. Again, buffer is always checked in the inspector. As I said yesterday, I conquered the same problem eslwhere by locating the stacks at -5000,-5000, making the changes and then putting the stacks at their correct locations, but this hasn't worked for the above, still lots of flashes going on on the screen. from the docs: A handler may need to open a stack and then close it before the handler is completed, or to move or change the appearance of a number of objects on the screen. If the screen is locked before these changes occur, the user does not see the changes happen on screen. Locking the screen can prevent user confusion or unsightly screen flashing. It also increases the speed of the handler, since Revolution does not have to redraw all the intermediate states of the screen. Well, this is not happeneing here! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Lock screen
I was wondering what it takes to get lockScreen to do what the docs say it does. I have several scripts that do all kinds of things that should be hidden, but it still looks like all of these things happen after unlockScreen with all kinds of flicker. For some things I took some old advice and put the stacks way off screen while the changes take place, but now not even this works. Shouldn't it be so that you lock the screen, the changes take place, you unlock the screen and are at the point where the changes have already happened? Buffer display is always checked in the stack inspector, beyonf that I just don't know. Tps appreciated! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re:armed icons
Thanks Derek, Chipp and Eric it was indeed the traversalOn property, (I knew about this for fields, but it didn't occur to me for buttons) which brings up a remark I've made before - Shouldn't this be mentioned in the docs when you look at armedIcon and autoArm entries? As good as the docs are in general, Rev's goal of allowing non-programmers to create terrific, working apps still gets forgotten in some little details like this. I am way too old to learn the type of programming most you are capable of so I have to resort to asking ridiculously easy questions from time to time, when a single sentence in the docs would have done the trick! A mass thanks to everyone else who have been helping me the last few months! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
armed icons?
Well, I am going a bit crazy here (again)!! For certain buttons I am trying to get an armedIcon to be displayed when the mouse enters the button. Seems pretty standard, right? Is there some kind of trick here? Giving the button an icon, a hilite icon and an armed icon in the property inspector doesn't work (nothing happens when the mouse enters). Setting the icon, hilite and armed icon with the messagebox doesn't work (nothing happens when the mouse enters). Setting the autoArm property of the button to true in combination with the afore mentioned doesn't work. In fact I've tried every combination of all of these things and everything I could find in the docs, but I just can't get a button to switch icons when the mouse enters and switch back when it leaves. It seems to me that this shouldn't be that hard, I would think it works just like a rollover. I've even tied scripting this (on mouseEnter set the icon to, on mouseLeave set the icon to..., etc) but nada. What the heck am i donig wrog here? Cheers, lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Decorations (titlebar buttons)
I thought I already asked this, but now I'm not sure because I didn't get the usual replies; Where can I find the scripts for what the minimize button in the titlebar actually does when it is clicked? I need this for both OSX and Windows. I have a project where all stacks have custom shapes (= decorations empty), but I don't want users to not NOT see what they expect at the top of the windows for closing and minimizing the window. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: problems with application icons
I've seen this too (Tige,r Rev 2.5.1) Is anyone else having problems allocating an icon to a standalone application on the Mac? I've been re-building my application under v2.6 of Rev and the resulting application has the generic OS X application icon - even after I've gone into the Standalone settings and re-confirmed the path of the icon file. It worked under 2.5.1, but I'm on OS X 10.4.1 now as well so I guess that more than one thing has changed here... I have had this happen a few times and fixed it by zipping the application, trashing the original unzipping again. This seems to trigger it to read it's plist and re-instate the correct icon. I though huh? File path to icon is correct, so I launched Inconographer to look at the icon again, an the instant I opened the Icon, it corrected itself on the desktop. Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Scripts for decoratiosn?
Hi all! Are there scripts out there for doing exactly what the maximize, minimize, and close window decorations of a stacks's title bar do? If possible, I would like to have the same functionality of the title bar, but in a custom shaped stack. And if this is possible, I assume the scripts would be different for Windows, OSX and MacOS? Cheers! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
pass
hi all! I am having a novices problem grasping the pass control structure. Let's say i have a stack with a preOpenCard handler, but I want to run through the stack and want to skip the preOpenCard. stack script: on preOpenCard do this do that etc. but another script: repeat x times go next do this do that and I want to skip the preOpenCard handler. Is pass preOpenCard the way to do this, and if so, where the heck does it go? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Custom props and unicode
Hi all! I've been looking like crazy in the archives for tips here, but not finding the answer to this. Is it posssible to store unicode text in a custom property? If yes, how? If no, oh well! It's simple really - I want to put unicode text into a customProp and then display it in a field. I've been trying to use useUnicode, uniEncode and uincodeText properties, but if one of these will do the trick, I am simply doing it wrong. Advice or not possible? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
unique ID's?
Howdy all, Problem in 2.5.1!!! When I import images into a stack, they get assigned the same ID as images already there! This of course causes all kinds of conflickts, sometimes even crashes when I try to select them or succeed in selecting them and trying to assign an new ID. This NEVER happened in 2.1.2, but is the only thing in 2.5.1 that seems to go wrong. Otherwise, I am loving 2.5.1! Suggestions? I've already tried reinstalling it, doing all the maintenance on my Mac (10.4.1) that I can think of. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
tool tips in 2.5.1
Hi all, just a quick one: I finally bought 2.5.1 but can't turn off the tool tips in the IDE. I searched the docs and the list archives and only came up with this: To disable tool tips in the Revolution development environment, choose Edit menu Preferences. In the Documentation pane, uncheck the Display Tool Tips box. Well, in the edit menu there is no Preferences, and in the preferences (the Revolution menu in OSX) there is no Documentation pane. Am I losing it, or what! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Progress with Tiger weirdness
Howdy all, In case anyone is looking into my windowShape problem, half of it is now solved. The windowShape that was nothing more complicated than a rectangle with rounded corners wider than 698 pixels had something to do with the ClearDock haxie. And even if you have ClearDock but couldn't reproduce the phenomenon, that doesn't matter, because once I disabled ClearDock for one session and then rebooted with it enabled again, the Problem was gone. If anyone out there is running Tiger AND ClearDock, take a look at iTunes and resize its window and see what happens to its shadow at a width above and below 698 Pixels. If the shadow gets weird above 700 pixels, disable ClearDock once and see if it is corrected. If you can confirm this, let me know off list. The second Problem still remains - my window with the round protrusion on the bottom - nothing so far has helped, and again, after any reboot if I open the Stack first in Rev and then in the standalone, the display is correct. The other way around the weirdnessw is back, and on a machine running Tiger without REv installed it is always weird. One problem down, one to go. Help is appreciated! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stack file size
Hi Signe Marie and Xavier! Thanks for the suggestions and tips! Maybe I misunderstand the structure of Rev stacks, but first of all, my stacks work perfectly and lightning fast - I just thought it was interesting that the file sizes got so large, but now that they are slimmed way down and i know how to keep it that way, I am an extremely happy camper. Again, though, unless I misunderstand the structure of such stacks, I really don't see much of a difference between your two (more advanced) methods and my simple one. I mean if every single object on the cards is in the background, doesn't this mean that there is basically one card and all the hundreds and thousands of others are nothing more than a collection of field contents and custom properties? And isn't this comparable to a collection of database records? To be honest, I shy away from using the database solution for 2 reasons - one, I lack the knoweldge and skills to implement it, and two, I see on the RevList people with far more skills than I having all kinds of problems with databases every day, which makes me even more hesitant. True, as I learned in the discussion a week or so ago, custom properties are faster than fields (that's why I changed as many as possible to custom props), and Signe Marie's project apparenetly uses all custom properties and no fields, as long as my thing functions as well and as fast as it does, I think I'll stick to it just because it works and I understand it. Thanks for the suggestions, though, I will certainly examine them closely sometime down the road! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Graphics help, please
Hi Roger! Graphics for buttons etc. in Rev are nothing more than images (gif's or png's) which you import into your stacks. I need to develop graphics/images that will be used as icons for buttons. And, I've forgotten how to get rid of the rectangular white background/border that invariably comes with the graphic. Be sure they are transparent and when you set a buttons icon, be sure the button opaque property in basic properties is unchecked. I assume this will take care of the white border. This is driving me nuts!! BTW. I work on a Mac. Thanks, Roger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: Saving stacks
Thanks as always for the replies. This only failed in a Rev 2.5.1 standalone to work properly the one time. Now, as always, changes made in the standalone are indeed saved. I have no idea whay this didn't work on the one occaission, but it was a little unfortunate because of the sheer amount of time those changes took. After making sure changes are saved, I redid the work and successfully saved it. The nature of the work I was doing at the time might be interesting for novice revvers like myself, so I will post a tip later today. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Stack file size
This is probably only of interest if you are a Rev user without much coding expertise like myself and are working with stacks and standalones that contain thousands of actual Rev cards, instead of using a data base. I assume there are users out there who like me are making apps using Rev only for things like music collections, contacts, personnel files, etc., or in my case foreign language vocabulary trainers. My main project right now is for Estonian vocabulary and, without going into linguistic details, the nature of the language makes the trainer very complex and very large. When I need to make changes to the app, I open the Rev stacks in the package conents of the standalone in Rev and make the changes. I noticed a long time ago that any time a stack is open in Rev and I just click and navigate around for a while without even making code or content changes, the Rev stack grows slightly in size, by bits and bytes. Doing the same in the standalone causes no size increase. Not a problem until I need to make changes to hundreds or thousands of cards because I got a better idea from Rev-list, (or occaissionally on my own ;-) The size of my application has been growing disproportionately to the amount of content I have added, becoming bloated, so I decided to see how much file size the Rev IDE had added over the months. My mainStack has 15 substacks, seven of which together have about 4,500 cards. I did the following experiment; In the IDE I turned each of the seven substacks into main stacks. For each of them I made a new substack in the mainStack with the exact same backgrounds, graphics, objects, etc. I then added the seven mainstacks to the distribution as mainStacks. In each of them was a button that basically did the following: create a card in my counterpart substack copy the contents of my fields to it copy my custom properties to it etc. In the standalone I executed the scripts in the seven stacks and then took them out of the contents folder of the app package. Now mainstack was just as it was before the experiment, but whatever simply working in the IDE over the last few months had added to those 7 substacks, was now gone. Well, you can imagine what the result was. The size of my mainStack dropped from 8.4 megs to 5.7 megs, even thoght on the surface it is exactly the same! And it runs faster to boot! Also, the standalone engine in Rev 2.5.1 is smaller than in Rev 2.x, so my application has gone from 12.2 megs to 8. Good news, because I had estimated that the final would be about 20 megs, but now I think it will come in at about 12. I guess my point is that when you working with a stack with lots of cards and you want to make changes, always make scripts for the changes in Rev, but then execute them in the standalone. This avoids adding a lot of fat to your application. I hope this helps some of you non programmers out there trying to make lean, efficient programs. Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stack file size
Hi Mark! I guess my point is that when you working with a stack with lots of cards and you want to make changes, always make scripts for the changes in Rev, but then execute them in the standalone. This avoids adding a lot of fat to your application. I wonder why this is. Anybody know? Maybe this is related to rev custom properties? Try running Chipps plugin: AltCleanStack This plugin allows you to remove custom Rev properties in order to reduce the filesize of stacks which are not to be included in standalones. The distribution builder automatically does these things for standalones. Nope, I've been using AltCleanStack for a while now and when I ran it on these stacks, it reduced the file size by just 180K, and by redoing the stacks completely (within the standalone) I reduced the size by 3 megs, almost 50% of the file size. I guess that working in stacks in the IDE just puts a sort of footprints in there that increase the file size. But again, now that I know this it's no problem whatsoever to work around it. Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Saving stacks
Hi all! Is there something different in Rev 2.5.1 as far as saving changes to stacks in a standalone? When I made stanalones in 2.1.2, I could always save stacks when a splashscreen is the application. I've seen this countless times in posts and it always worked, but it won't work for me using 2.5.1. What's different? Or could it be that I'm checking out a trial version and this is somehow disabled? Cheers! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
easy question? Tiger weirdness revisited
Howdy all! I have what I hope is an easy question that has me stumped. I took the discussion last week about why custom properties are so fast to heart and made some major changes to an enormous stack of mine to drastically reduce the file size and make it run much faster. I'm not a coder, just a rev user that profits immensly from reading the posts on this list, so my original project has been rebuilt countless times as I learn better ways to do things. For example as a result of the custom props speed discussion, I made a the simple change of putting several buttons in the background and using the preopenCard handler to look at a custom propery to determine whether a button should be visible. Before, I had up to 4 superfluous identical buttons on thousands of cards, which bloated the file size and make it crawl at a snail's pace in the IDE. The thing I havent solved is re-marking certain unmarked cards without having an extra object on those cards. It used to be: mark cds by finding blahblah in fld reMark I want to get rid of the superfluous fields and text, so far no luck. I have tried several things like unmark this cd set the reMake of this cd to true When I want to mark the cards again, I tried mark cds where the reMake is true - this just don't work - I have tried everything I could think of from the docs using by and where but I must be missing something here. As you can see, my coding skills are practically non- existent. I am convinced that this should be really easy, and being the absolute poster child for creating pretty good apps with the help of all you re-listers out there, I gotta ask: what am I missing here? Cheers Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tiger weirdness revisited
Howdy again! I have made some progress in understanding the weirdness in Tiger with stacks using windowShape. Maybe someone can use what I've found to actually figure this one out. Some of you may recall this from about 2 days after Tiger was released. Certain windowShapes don't display properly on machines running Tiger. Klaus, Gordy and Sarah have confirmed this and Gordy came up with a workaround that was a good start. I've been fooling around with this again for the last 2 days and made an interesting discovery that might help one of you real pros get to the bottom of this. To recap the problem. Stacks using a windowShape that has a sort of semi-circular protrusion on the bottom get a weird shadow when using rev or my standalone running Tiger. Also a windowShape that is nothing more than a rectangle with slightly rounded corners had a different strange appearance, but only in some cases. As Klaus knows, I experimented for hours and found that the rectangle with rounded corners displays fine in Tiger, but ONLY if the width of the stack is 698 pixels of less (!!?!??!) Now, I'm no pro, but I think I know enough consider this to be bizarre! What can the significance of 698 pixels possibly be? Also, Gordy found a workaround that I am using - before I had the different window background images in a separate stack with all my graphics for button icons, etc, and in the stack backgrounds a button with the image as its icon, and the windowShape set to the image ID. These images were in most cases png24's with transparency, created in Photoshop elements. Klaus pointed out that windowshape in rev theoretically only supports 2 bit masks, so I recreated the exact shapes with black gif's, but these didn't work either. Gordy found that if you have both the gif and the png in the stack background and set the shape to the gif, it works (almost). Here's the interesting catch/clue. I copied my standalone to my other machine running Panther - everything fine. I did a clean install of Tiger, copied the app over again and the strangeness was back. Then I installed Runrev on the machine, restarted and copied the app over again and the problem was gone. So for now the question is what is it about Runrev and Tiger that effects a standalone made with Runrev even when Runrev is not running? The first clue to this intertwining between Rev and Tiger came when I noticed at one point that if I booted my machine and opened my standalone, the weirdness was there, but if after booting I opend the Stack in the standalone package in Rev first, then closed rev and opened the standalone the weirdnes was gone! I mean shouldn't a standalone be able to stand alone? I certainly can't expect somebody who has Tiger and wants to use my app to buy Rev just to get it to display properly, right? There is something about the relationship between Rev and Tiger that is different from between Rev and Panther and I hope one of you out there might just say Ah Hah! Elementary! It's... When I first posted this (before lots of experimentation and with fewer concrete clues) only Sarah, Gordy and Klaus responded (big thanks again!). By now I hope a lot more of you are using Tiger and maybe found some other little problems and found solutions that might have some bearing on this one :-) And one other oddity in Tiger. When my standalone launches, certain stacks and substacks are opened invisibly while the splash screen is visible, and then shown when the splash screen disappears. This always caused some flicker, even using lockScreen, until I followed a suggestion from the list to open the stacks offscreen (-5000,-5000) and then set the location to somewhere onscreen. Worked like a charm with a tiny Tiger-related problem. The first time I lauch my standalone after booting the machine, those stacks appear onscreen in the upper left corner and then switch to their end locations. On subsequent launches they show up flicker free at their proper locations. Any ideas on this one? Otherwise Tiger has been an absolute dream for everything I do ;-) Cheers again! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tiger again
Not that the workaround isn't good enough for now, but I still have a very weird problem displaying a stack with a windowShape properly, and it just gets weirder! I have a stack with an windowshape, that was the only thing not perfect after I installed Tiger. Gordy has seen screenshots and apparently duplicated the problem and made suggestions (thanks again!), but what worked was repairing permissions, shutting down for several minutes and then restarting. What is even stranger now is that the problem still crops up if I reboot my machine and open the standalone without having first opened the stack in question (from the package contents of the standalone) in Rev ! What in the heck can this mean? I have now repeated the process a few times, and it is always the same - boot up, open standalone - weird shape. Open stack in Rev - weird shape! Boot up, open stack in Rev - correct shape. Open standalone - correct shape I have rev and Tiger in both of my machines. I guess my question is as follows: should I trash rev on backup machine, restart and open the standalone to test this? Does anyone have a good guess as to what would happen if someone else opened this standalone on a machine that never had Rev installed? Anyone else have windowshape problems after installing Tiger? It seems so odd that everything else works like a charm. I am following all of the problems with Tiger in the Apple discussion boards and trying everything that others have had bad experiences with in Tiger, so far everything, and I do mean everything, has been smooth as silk in Tiger - just this one little peice of strangeness! Ideas appreciated! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tiger installation
Hi all! you may have seen a brief mentioning of rev windowShape not working properly in Tiger. Gordon Tillmann helped me out on this, but the problem wasn't really a problem at all. I first installed Tiger on my backup machine, which hadn't had the last few Panther updates, and thus I hadn't repaired permissions recently. This turned out to have caused the problem, just don't ask me why ;-) I had noticed in the Apple discussions that this simple action seems to have already fixed minor and major problems a lot of people were experiencing with a wide variety of software, both Apple and third party, so I tried it and it worked. In other words this was my own dopey fault. Thanks agsain to Gordy for his patience in looking into this with me. Repair your permission (more than once until no more errors or corrections show up) and disable 3rd party utilities (although I'm sure noneof you really need to be told this in the first place!) Other than this tiger so far has been flawless, faster and cooler than all get out! Enjoy the Tiger! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
windowShape in Tiger (again)
Hi Gordy! Has anyone installed Tiger and looked at a revStack or standalone that uses a windowShape other than rectangular? one of my main Rev projects has three stacks with a shape that is basically rectangular with a small, round protrusion on the bottom (and slightly rounded corners). Both in rev and in the standalone, there is a strange outline parallel to the bottom of the window about 50 pixels lower. It's a little hard to describe, so if anyone out there is inclined to take a quick a look at this strangeness, let me know and I will send you screen shots. I just tried the windowLab stack. This is the one that you can run from RevNet where you can draw an arbitrary shape and then create a window from that shape. Gave this a try and it worked for a round test stack in Tiger both as a revStack and as a standalone. I am not sure what format the mask that is created in windowLab is, so I took my stack, whose shape is a png and created the same shape as a black gif and gave it a try, but with the same result on my machine running Tiger - that wierd additional shape. I am sending you two screenshots offline so you can see what I am talking about. I also tried to drop my black gif onto the active area of windowLab, but it doesn't generate a stack when I do that. It seemed to work just fine and I wasn't able to duplicate the effect that you mentioned. Yes, this definitely works in Tiger, but I can't recreate my shape in windowLab ;-( If you have a specific stack you would like for me to try I would be happy to do that. I am just wondering what Tiger does differently, because my windowShape has always been perfect in Panther, MacOS and Windows XP! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tiger and windowShape
If this appears twice, I'm not sure what happened. I sent it once and it didn't show up, at least not as fast as I am used to. Has anyone installed Tiger and looked at a revStack or standalone that uses a windowShape other than rectangular? I just installed Tiger on my backup machine to try it out and one of my main Rev projects has three stacks with a shape that is basically rectangular with a small, round protrusion on the bottom (and slightly rounded corners). Both in rev and in the standalone, there is a strange outline parallel to the bottom of the window about 50 pixels lower. It's a little hard to describe, so if anyone out there is inclined to take a quick a look at this strangeness, let me know and I will send you screen shots. I already have made a new empty test stack, put the image on it and set the windowShape to the image, and the result is the same, so it's not just my existing stacks that behave this way. I really want Tiger on my main machine, so any tips would be very appreciated! Cheers, Lars Brehmer ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tiger and windowShape
Has anyone installed Tiger and looked at a revStack or standalone that uses a windowShape other than rectangular? I just installed Tiger on my backup machine to try it out and one of my main Rev projects has three stacks with a shape that is basically rectangular with a small, round protrusion on the bottom (and slightly rounded corners). Both in rev and in the standalone, there is a strange outline parallel to the bottom of the window about 50 pixels lower. It's a little hard to describe, so if anyone out there is inclined to take a quick a look at this strangeness, let me know and I will send you screen shots. I already have made a new empty test stack, put the image on it and set the windowShape to the image, and the result is the same. I really want Tiger on my main machine, so any tips would be very appreciated! Cheers, Lars Brehmer ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Is it wierd or is it me?
Is there a case where a script works in the message box, but not in a standalone? This is driving me crazy. Part of a script just doesn't seem to work in my standalone, but it always works in Rev when I do it through the message box. I don't know if the button in question works in my stacks in the IDE because this entire script, not just the part that doesn't work, would take almost 2 hours to run in the IDE so I'd like to avoid trying it. It takes about 35 seconds in the standalone. It involves inspecting every card in a stack of 1,400 cards and performing certain operations if certain conditions are met. these operations include: creating a new card in a second stack copying the contents of textfields to the new card copying buttons to the new card changing the script and location of those buttons in the new card unmarking the original card then, when certain conditions are met I need certain cards to be marked again. go stack xyz get the limNum of stack xyz if it = 0 then get the getCat of stack xyz mark cds by finding it in fld catFld of stack xyz save stack xyz end if when I run the scrpt in my standalone, this is the part that doesn't work, but when I open the stack in Rev, the linNum is 0, but the cards didn't get marked. When I put this part of the script into the message box, Bang - the cards are marked again! Am I missing something obvious here? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stack saving clarification
Hi Len! It doesn't look like anyone gave you the answer to you question that I got from the list many moons ago, so here you are: I make standalones where the actual standalone is a splash screen and the .rev mainStack file and other stacks remain just that - rev stacks in the data folder of the standalonethat can be modified and saved from within the standalone. I like the splash screen, but apparently you can do the same thing with a mainstack that is never even visible, as long as that stack is the standalone and your real mainstack and other stacks are the included stacks. Easy to do even for a beginner (meanwhile novice?) like me! Hope this helps you along. Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ugly windows focus border
Hi Xavier! I think there is a way, though I'm not sure we're on the same page. First make sure in the basic properties that the focus with keyboard: and show focus border are unchecked. Also make sure under icons and border that the border width and shadow offset are 0. I never figured out which of these does the trick, but it has always worked for me, at least with buttons with icons and no border at all, no shared highlight and no 3D, which pretty much describes the buttons I use most. I hope this helps! Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
MacOS standalone engine
Thanks for the reply Dan! When I try to make a Mac OS standalone I first get The engine for MacOSPPC is missing. Do you want to download it now? When I click download for a quarter second it say downloading engine immediately followed by problem downloading engine and the sheets slides back up. Same with the engine for MacOSFAT. I've tried several times to no avail. What could be wrong? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Progress bars
Hi listers! I can't seem to find a tutorial or any layman's explanations on putting a simple progress bar into my stacks. I have a stack that imports text data and creates the cards to store it on. If the file is large, it takes a while, so I'd like to build in a progress bars (on a separate subStack?) to give an idea how long the task will take. Where does it go and how do you set it up? A tutorial or a sample stack that has one would be terrific! Can anyone help me out here? Cheers! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Windows question
Greetings all! I have no experience with Windows whatsoever and have what is hopefully a real easy, dopey question: I build a standalone for Windows (the splash screen is the actual standalone, the Main Stack and substacks are rev files) and it works just fine, but there's one little thing I don't get. In OSX, it's the icon of the standalone that appears in the dock, but in Windows (XP in this case) each of the open stacks, whether visible or not, has a thingy in the task bar thing, so as stacks open and close, the taskbar thingies multiply and disappear. Am I doing something wrong here? Or is it always this way in Windows? Is there a way to get just the app in the taskbar and not the individual rev stacks? Cheers, Lars Lars Brehmer Eestimaa Keeletarkvara Tallinn, Eesti Modern foreign language vocabulary learning software for the Mac and PC ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: typing foreign characters
Hi List (especially foreign character typers!) I've been following this thread because I had similar problems and questions last year. Here is the weirdest thing I found out back then, and to my knowledge on one has posted this interesting litlte fact yet, at least I never saw it: In Rev (and it seems in standalones as well) you can't get an umlaut even with the option-u extra stroke when using the US English keyboard on a Mac. You can however, using the German keyboard, either hit the [ ; and ' keys which give you ü, ö and ä respectively, but you can also get the umlauts with the option-u-u,o,a method when using the German keyboard (!?!) I always found this quite strange, but it gets even stranger! For those who need these diacriticals and have to switch to the German keyboard but are driven crazy by the different layout (once you get used to the y and z keys there are still all the punctuation marks and shift-number differences) you just have to use the British English keyboard, which has the same layout as the US, except the option-u strokes WILL produce the umlauts in both Rev and standalones! Also the õ (option-n-o) which I also need for Estonian. I never understood why only the US keyboard is the only one that doesn't do this, but using the British keyboard is certainly an easy solution! (note to Klaus - I finally DID actually help someone else :-D) Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Stack file size
I've been searching the list archives, but can't seem to find an answer for this: A fairly intricate foreign language vocabulary trainer I've been working on for quite some time was getting really bloated, so I started to figure out why. The main cause turned out to be the fact that I had 2 profiles, to make the interface bilingual. This literally doubled the file size and wasn't really necessary, so I went back to just a Master profile. At the same time I noticed that when I opened the standalone data stacks in Rev to make changes, just navigating around increased the file size! No new cards or anything, just moving between cards and stacks. I tested this out in the standalone, and after a session with no new cards, the data stack did indeed stay the same size. But when I opened it in Rev and made about 100 button clicks (next card, open substack, open sub-substack, next card, close substack, etc) the stack file size had grown by 3 k, even though I compacted it and saved it from the menu. I'll now try to open it in Rev as litttle as possible, but in the last few weeks I did quite a bit of work on it back in Rev and have absolutely no idea how much the file grew because of this. Does anyone know why the file size grows without me adding anything to it, and if so is there any way around this or anyway to get rid of the bloat this seems to have caused? Lars Brehmer Eestimaa Keeletarkvara Tallinn, Eesti Modern foreign language vocabulary learning software for the Mac and PC ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2.5 trial, MacOS standalone engine
I just downloaded 2.5 trial version to give it a test ride, but I can't seem to get the MacOS standalone engine. OSX was built in, the windows engine downloaded fine, but the MacOS just shows a problem downloading MacOS engine for a split second. Is this known and being fixed? Cheers, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: slavic languages
Thanks Devin, but: This is the first thing I tried, but every character with a diacritical just shows up as a box. This is determined by what language support you have installed in the OS. In OS X, just choose the Polish input from the keyboard menu and you should automatically be able to type Polish in a Revolution field. That's why I've been fooling around with unicode html. Nothing works. And it's not my keyboard, because this works in all word processors. Any other solutions? Thanks Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
slavic languages
I am using rev 2.2.1, OSX.3. Is there any way to use the Polish keyboard for text field input? I've been looking in docs under language, keyboard, fonts and searching the revList database to no avail. Help, anyone? Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
another quick multi-lingual question
Thanks to Thierry, by the way, for answering my last question on this! Now that my pop-up menus are bi-lingual, another quick question - if a button with two profiles has an answer dialog in its script, can that dialog be different for the two profiles? I tried to find a similar solution to using the text property for the pop-ups, but I am still stumped. Can anybody help? Thanx, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Profiles for Pop-Up menu items
Can the menu items in a pop up menu have different profiles, say for different languages? None of the profile properties seem to handle this. Is there another way beyond my still meager skills? Thanks gang, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: card id and button problem
Thanks Sarah and Rob! I tried to use Rob's suggestion, and it ALMOST worked - Being code illiterate, I don't pretend to understand the solution, so I just applied it word for word, most likely not recognizing something I needed to substitute for - try not to laugh TOO hard:-) the button that creates the new card in the drawer stack looks like this open stack buttons -- this is a substack that contains the buttons I use copy btn id to stack MainStack -- this is now in front of (and thus hides) the new card button According to the Rev Dictionary (Copy), if stack is specified, the copied object must be a card so you need to copy button id to card [cardReference] of stack Main Stack followed by put it into newButtonId -- it contains new button id close stack buttons open stack Y -- this is the drawer stack create card now, set the drawerCardId of button id newButtonId of card [cardReference] of stack Main Stack to it -- it contains new card id I put this all into the button script, word for word, and got this: (for [cardReference] i just used recent card which did indeed put the button in the right place on the right card) open stack buttons copy btn id 1003 to recent card of stack MainStack put it into newButtonId close stack buttons open stack Y create card set the drawerCardId of button id newButtonId of recent card of stack MainStack to it repeat with i = 1 to 33 set the lockText of field (Field i) to false end repeat close stack Y drawer stack Y at bottom aligned to center Then I made the changes you gave below to the script of button to be copied to the MainStack, again, word for word: drawer stack Y at bottom aligned to center go to card id (the drawerCardId of me) of stack Y When I made the new card in the mainStack and hit the button to create the new card in the drawer stack, I got an error message which I ignored (since I couldn't understand it). The substack was indeed opened to a new card, but the error was in the set the drawerCardId line, so the fields weren't unlocked, the stack wasn't closed and reopend as a drawer. When I unlocked the fields and filled them in and closed the stack and hit the new button in the mainstack, it actually worked - the correct new card opened in a drawer. But as soon as I opened the drawer to a different card from a different card in the mainstack and went back to the new card, the button opened the drawer, but not to the correct card anymore. (the older cards all work because when I made them I entered the card id of the drawer card into the button script on the mainstack card by hand - just what I'm trying to do away with here). This is the error Type Chunk: no such object Object: n Line: set the drawerCardId of button id newButtonId of recent card of stack MainStack to it Hint: button id 1153 of card id 1152 of stack /Users/larsbrehmer/Desktop/uusEesti/uusEesti2.rev I assume laughable, but is it fixable? [snip] So far it all works. The button on the main stack card that should lead back to this drawer card is: drawer stack Y at bottom aligned to center go card id of stack Y Is it possible to take the short id of the new drawer card and put it in place of the in the button script on that specific card in the main stack? This is what I don't know how to do. replace go card id of stack Y with go to card id (the drawerCardId of me) of stack Y in the script of button id of stack Buttons Thanks again! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Card id and button problem
Hi All! I've been searching searching the archives for hours, but since I don't really know what I'm doing, I guess I don't know what to search for! Here's the problem/question: I have a stack with a substack drawer. When a new card is created in the main stack, there is a button on it that creates a new card in the substack, unlocks its text fields and opens it in the drawer. The button in the main stack that created the new card in the substack is then hidden behind another new button that should later open the drawer to that same card. Once the fields on the drawer card are filled in, there is a button on it that locks the fields and saves the drawer stack. The problem is that I need that save button also to put the short card id of the drawer card into the script of the main stack button that will re-open it. This is what I can't figure out. It looks like this: the button that creates the new card in the drawer stack looks like this open stack buttons -- this is a substack that contains the buttons I use copy btn id to stack MainStack -- this is now in front of (and thus hides) the new card button close stack buttons open stack Y -- this is the drawer stack create card repeat with i = 1 to 33 set the lockText of field (Field i) to false end repeat close stack Y drawer stack Y at bottom aligned to center -- this reopens the Y stack in the drawer The new drawer card is now open and the fields can be filled in. The save button on this card is: repeat with i = 1 to 33 set the lockText of field (Field i) to true end repeat save stack Y close stack Y So far it all works. The button on the main stack card that should lead back to this drawer card is: drawer stack Y at bottom aligned to center go card id of stack Y Is it possible to take the short id of the new drawer card and put it in place of the in the button script on that specific card in the main stack? This is what I don't know how to do. Suggestions? Thanks, Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
A Litttle Unicode bug?
I can't get one unicode character to display in RunRev. It is the ð character, which represents the English voiced th sound, as in the, that, rather. The unicode designation is 00F0 and the UTF8 designation is C3 B0. Is this a bug in RunRev 2.3 and if so, will it be fixed in the next version? Can it be worked around? I'd appreciate suggestions! Lars Brehmer ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
