Re: Running in Taskbar
SupermanSlyr- Thursday, September 29, 2005, 3:13:53 PM, you wrote: like that But anyway on to my question. Is it possible to make a revolution program run in the background or in the WINDOWS task-bar? I'm trying to get the program to monitor the keyboard, and when a certain hotkey is pressed it opens the main window. Does anyone have any advice or ideas? I'm assuming you're talking about the Windows system task bar (the icons down there next to the clock) and: 1. yes, it can be done and 2. no, it isn't much fun. You'll need to write an external DLL with an event loop to catch some Windows messages, then process those messages and pass them back to your rev app running invisibly. If you're comfortable doing this in C then the steps are fairly straightforward but still quite a bit of coding. If you're not then I wouldn't even think about trying this. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Some Foolish questions
Ken- Thursday, September 29, 2005, 6:47:03 PM, you wrote: You should be able to use 'revDB_moveprev' in order to move back one record No. The ODBC functions are implemented as a forward-only snapshot. Random access to database records is not available. And copying into an array is not a viable option except for very small databases because of the tremendous amount of disk thrashing involved. My take is that a new ODBC connection is opened and closed for each record retrieval. Yes, it's been BZed. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
errorDialog
All- Can someone clue me in about the use of errorDialog? My on errorDialog handlers are never being triggered and I never see the errorDialog message in the Message Viewer. I'd like to intercept the standard error dialog, but can't quite figure out how. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Some Foolish questions
Fred- Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 1:42:23 PM, you wrote: 2) When I hit the previous button the record stays on the current record. I can go forward successfully, hit previous button (nothing happens), and then go forward again successfully. I can only get to the first entry again by refreshing the SQL. I am using the button exactly as it is shown in the video example. The move to previous record and other such functions simply don't work with ODBC connections. Cast some votes for bug #1528 if you think it's important to get fixed. ODBC connections are created in a forward-only mode. Tuviah weaseled out of this one by saying I believe the docs document that certain ops don't work with certain databases. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stack Switching Question
Jeanne- Wednesday, October 5, 2005, 9:34:21 PM, you wrote: It is... (deep breath)... perhaps not the most well-thought-out feature of the language. There is a bugzilla request http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1081 to split the two functions of the delete stack command. Got my vote, too. See also the destroyStack writeup at http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1072 -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stack Switching Question
Chipp- Thursday, October 6, 2005, 9:41:39 AM, you wrote: I, for one, hope it doesn't dissapear, as I use 'delete stack' quite often. It's the only sure-fire way to make sure a stack is closed, and I'd have to rewrite many, many stacks if it went away. It's unfortunately named, and could certainly use a better synonym. But it does 'delete a stack from memory' as it says. Once you get the hang of it, and know to never use it on subStacks, it's not too bad. Well, it's the substack behavior here that is of primary concern. My take of the BZ entry for this suggests two steps: the first would be getting rid of the substack part of the delete stack command; and the second would be the addition of a purge stack command to xTalk. This is related to the BZ entry for the destroyStack property. If you really need delete stack then I don't see a problem with deprecating it for new stacks in favor of purge stack and having purge stack alias to the existing behavior of delete stack (without the substack badness, of course). -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange math behaviour... could someone explain this ?
Alex- Friday, October 7, 2005, 11:14:47 AM, you wrote: It's NOT a Rev bug - it's an artifact of double precision binary arithmetic (or, if you like, an artifact of the IEEE format used by Intel (and everyone else)). I'm sure if I coded the same thing in java I would also come up with 179. It's an artifact of trying to force an analog world into a digital frame and back again. You can see the same sort of thing at work if you look into random numbers. However, 36-34.2 = 179 is just WRONG. While it's easy to rationalize the error by examining the inaccuracies due to the constraints forced by the math libraries, the real-world consequences become more apparent when the discrepancy is a larger percentage of the result. Try this: on mouseUp local t1 put 36 - 34.2 into t1 add .2 to t1 put t1 + t1 = trunc(t1+t1) end mouseUp I'd be happiest if the trunc() function internally appended a trailing before performing its task, and I think it's worth a BZ enhancement request entry - jbv, want to do the honors? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: little arrows Increase/decrease a field value
Bob- Saturday, October 8, 2005, 5:07:40 AM, you wrote: It seems that they are Scrollbars and A search for scrollbars says use something like this. on scrollbarLineDec Put field ButtonWidth into tBtnWidth put (BtnWidth + 1) into BtnWidth Put BtnWidth into field ButtonWidth end scrollbarLineDec on scrollbarLineInc Put field ButtonWidth into tBtnWidth put (BtnWidth -1) into BtnWidth Put BtnWidth into field ButtonWidth end scrollbarLineInc Not sure what you expected to happen here, but did you mean tBtnWidth for those variables? If you change them, then the value in the field goes up and down. Try enabling Variable Checking in the Script menu, or better yet, change the Script Editor preferences to enable Variable checking by default. That's what it's for. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
computers on network
Nicolas- Saturday, October 8, 2005, 3:35:35 PM, you wrote: Is there a Rev command that returns the names of all computers running on a LAN? (On Win2K, I'd click on My network to find this out.) If you're on Win2k, try: shell(net view) BTW - I accidentally typed get view instead net view and got a completely unanticipated result. I think I have never typed get as a command prompt verb before... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: c
Ah... The get command appears to be part of my Perl installation... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange math behaviour... could someone explain this ?
Mark- Sunday, October 9, 2005, 4:58:45 AM, you wrote: The solution to the issue you have here is to always add a small 'epsilon' value to your numbers before truncating. Sorry, Mark, but that won't do it. on mouseUp local tValue put 179.71578291 into tValue put trunc(tValue + 1e-8) end mouseUp In this case you get 180, even though the specified value is less than 180 by a finite amount, which has the effect of rounding the value to the next higher integer instead of truncating it. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QT version on Windows
Dave- Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 3:45:23 AM, you wrote: This gives me what I see in the registry. (in this case version 7.0.2) put queryregistry(HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\apple Computer, Inc. \quicktime\version,text) into data local t1,t2,t3,t4 get binaryDecode(H2H2H2H2,data,t1,t2,t3,t4) put t4t3t2t1 Interesting. What are you trying to do with that text in the queryRegistry() call? I suppose the compiler will try to create a variable called text and store the result there, but I don't think you'll be able to retrieve it. put queryRegistry(blahblahblah, abc) put abc gives dword for the registry key type for the QT version. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QT version on Windows
Dave- Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 10:16:23 AM, you wrote: No idea, Mark. :-) I just copied that part from an earlier post. I didn't notice it. Fair enough. I've tossed the original by now - was just curious. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us
Devin- Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 3:00:57 PM, you wrote: Isn't this whole malleable template approach to word processing exactly what Apple does with the new Pages word processor. I looked To me it seems that they've taken a cue from skinnable apps. I'm most intrigued by the Developer menu, and although it wasn't expounded upon in the writeup there was mention made of being able to define your own layouts. This isn't necessarily a bad thing at all, but it does fit in quite well to the turn-everything-into-PowerPoint dumbing down approach Microsoft has taken. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: automated testing tools (slightly OT)
Chris- Wednesday, October 12, 2005, 10:07:26 AM, you wrote: This is probably a little bit off topic, but I'm wanting to find out if any of you are using any type of automated testing tools with Revolution. I'm thinking something like scripts or whatever that will perform tasks that your end-users would perform. Does anything like that exist that can be used Revolution-built apps? Well, the big dogs in the Windows world won't work here. I tried both WinRunner and SilkTest and they both have the same results: since runrev doesn't use standard OS controls, all you can see is a single window with essentially a bitmap. You can send mouseclicks to a given location, but can't see any results. I haven't tried Eggplant on the OSX end of things, but I expect the same. I've been working on a QA automation tool for stacks, but it's a background task and requires quite a bit of stack introspection. I *do* have a jUnit-style unit testing framework together and expect to get that out the door Real Soon Now. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: automated testing tools (slightly OT)
Richard- Wednesday, October 12, 2005, 11:39:43 AM, you wrote: Do you know offhand how this affects screen readers, such as those use for the blind? I don't, but the subject came up on another listserv a while back. I'm pretty sure the results would be the same. At least with the standard QA automation tools you can verify results by taking a snapshot of a textbox and then comparing the bitmap to a previous bitmap. It's ugly and error-prone, but it's sometimes the only workaround. Screen readers wouldn't have this option since they need to grab actual text. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: automated testing tools (slightly OT)
Jacque- Thanks. And I'm breathing a sigh of relief, too... I was sure you were gonna say you did this with VU back in the day. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Question on message handling
Jim- Thursday, October 13, 2005, 7:12:32 AM, you wrote: What I found surprising (and welcome) is that the back and forward slashes never appear in the field. The key stroke is never passed back to the field for display after it is caught by the card script. (It would be if there were a pass keyDown in the first two case statements.) So apparently the field gets the message first, then then card (as you both say) and then, if the key stroke is passed by the card script, it is passed back to the field display for viewing. I was wrong to speak of this last message as part of the conventional message passing path. Maybe display message? The keyDown message is never *displayed* unless it is passed through all of RR message handlers--display is the last in line. And as Martha Stewart would say: It is a good thing. Right. If you had a keydown handler in the field itself it would be intercepting the message. Since you don't, the message works its way down the hierarchy until it's grabbed by the card. Since you're handling the slash keystrokes yourself and never passing them on, that's the end of things. All the other keystrokes are passed onto the engine, which wakes up and says somebody pressed a key in this field - I'd better put the char in there. The slash chars never get to the pass keydown message, so the engine never gets its wakeup call. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the most weird of the errors ever... (almost like a cold boot)
Andre- Thursday, October 13, 2005, 3:11:34 PM, you wrote: weird weird weird... ...and it looks like Lula's in trouble, too... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps
Dan- Thursday, October 13, 2005, 1:54:38 PM, you wrote: Another client for whom I've written three relatively large apps in Rev has been advised by his new CEO to require me to rewrite them in some more standard language or tool/environment. He may not listen to the advice but he has raised the interesting question of what happens if I (his language) get stomped on by a dinosaur. Even though the apps would keep running, of course, finding programmers to maintain and extend them would be significantly more difficult than with, say, Basic or Java or C++ (which I will never learn). Or, for that matter, JavaScript/XML. Back when I was doing hardware stuff, our one strict rule was never design a circuit with single-source parts. If your sole supplier gets stomped on by a dinosaur you're SOL. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps
Jacque- Thursday, October 13, 2005, 10:13:10 PM, you wrote: I use this: http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ Works very well and leaves me in control. *Very* interesting. Thanks for the pointer. And that way you won't miss http://www.ninjai.com/ -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting conference this week -- forgot to mention it
Jacque- Saturday, October 15, 2005, 10:53:11 AM, you wrote: Today's scripting conference was canceled, due to a number of unavoidable circumstances. I meant to announce that yesterday, but Just a heads-up: Jerry's conference in two weeks will also not take place, though his stack will be available for download later. Again, Hmmm. Seems like something's afoot in Texas... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps
Judy- Saturday, October 15, 2005, 5:36:56 PM, you wrote: And, I would agree IF it were demonstrable that this is what actually happens. I just don't think it does. I don't see it happening among either faculty OR students. My observation is that Scott is one of those rare folks who are able to see the outside walls of the box while the rest of us are still working on discovering that we're in a box at all... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]
david- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 6:47:08 AM, you wrote: CVS does not handle binaries so well, so to keep track with the open CVS actually handles binaries *very* poorly, usually resulting in file corruption, in my experience. CVS was explicitly written to deal with text files, and the binary stuff was added as an afterthought. source guys we are moving over to SVN. Trac is a system that combines CVS with subversion source code management (SVN). Hope to get this up and running in the next month for those in Rev community that wish to use it. Funny, I just started down the road of moving my rev version control over to subversion, too. But I'd happily give that up if you can get this running in the next month or so. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
FORTH
Dennis- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 9:58:04 AM, you wrote: to Forth. Forth is a low level but extensible language and IDE from Forth? (Running over to x's web site to check it out...) Forth is as close to the metal as you can get without writing in ones and zeros. One of the weaknesses of XTalk/Transcript in my opinion was that you could not directly and efficiently extend the language in this same way. XTalk would be more on the path to Forthness if we could overload keywords and add new ones. Of course, that would probably also require namespaces and an include mechanism. Imagine patching trunc so that it does the right thing by: function trunc pValue return trunc(pValue ) end trunc -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]
Richard- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 12:40:59 PM, you wrote: One man's flow is another man's impedence. ;) LOL For myself, I think Magic Carpet got it right for the sorts of workflows I find myself involved in: it's stack-based rather than script- or object-based, and in the projects I work in we usually assign owners by stack and nothing more atomic. I think Magic Carpet is great. The serverless implementation makes it very easy to set up and use. What I'm interested in, though, is opening up a path to a more granular approach to rev development. If you don't need to get more atomic than one stack-one developer then you're home free. But if you've got complex projects and need to have developers check out an object from a stack, work on it, and check it back in, then nobody else can work on that stack without the pain of merging objects. In the stack-at-a-time approach only one person on the rev team would be able to work on the revLibrary stack at a time. That's a workable way to go about things, but it's restrictive on time and resource management and places an extra burden on the project manager. I think that for runrev to be accepted in professional environments it needs to shed the cowboy coder mentality that the rest of the developing world left behind a decade ago. Subversion integration in the IDE is a big step in that direction. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]
Richard- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 10:55:59 AM, you wrote: Magic Carpet's been around for a while, and many of us have written ...and it's about time someone posted the url... http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]
Richard- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 10:55:59 AM, you wrote: Magic Carpet's been around for a while, and many of us have written ...and it's about time someone posted the url... http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]
Richard- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 10:55:59 AM, you wrote: Magic Carpet's been around for a while, and many of us have written ...and it's about time someone posted the url... http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FORTH and Hypercard
Stephen- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 6:47:15 PM, you wrote: I also liked a feature of Hypercard that was like forth - you could redefine and intercept a lower level handler using the same name. I guess it was a design decision to not allow that in Transcript but why? Yes, that's the keyword overloading feature I'm wishing we had... not that I would wish Forth syntax on Transcript, but its extensibility is the stuff dreams are made of. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FORTH
Dennis- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 6:27:04 PM, you wrote: One of the great things about Forth was the overhead of just a few machine language instructions to execute a high level function call. Yep - it's hard to beat an indirect stack pop for speed. Transcript seems to require a trip around the world to jump next door. For GUI speed stuff, it would not be a problem, but for my array crunching stuff, I am stuck writing everything in one handler to keep the speed up. The convenience of having an environment like that would be very tempting to use for whatever could stand the overhead --and that might be quit a lot of applications. Well, the Forth kernel doesn't take up much space - there are a few implementations in C available - it might be fun to throw one of the embedded forths into an external library, but I expect you could count the interested target group on one finger. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]
Richard- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 8:27:55 PM, you wrote: Can you tell us a bit more about projects you've worked on where multiple team members needed to work on different controls in the same window at the same time? Sure, but that may be missing the point a bit. The problem is that stacks are monolithic, while most other development environments use separate files: .c files, .java files, etc. Splitting a stack into substack files helps - different developers can work on different parts of a project that way, but a stack is the smallest atomic unit that can be parceled out. One problem is that as stack size grows the stack either must be split into separate substack files to distribute the work or one developer's work responsibility keeps growing. And splitting a stack into separate files can require architectural changes that may have consequences down the line. Another problem with this is that development on a stack progresses serially (only one developer can work on a stack at a time, then hand it off to another) versus in parallel (multiple programmers can tackle different parts at the same time). I've worked on java projects with 10 or so developers all crafting pieces of a single application. Let's say someone adds a new routine to a source file and then wants to add a reference to it to a header file common to several source files. That developer needs to check out the header file, make the change, and check it back in. Then when another developer wants to make a change to the common header file they check it out, add their change, and check it back in. Nobody can check out the file while it's being worked on so that changes don't overwrite each other. Let's say there are five of us working on a project together spread out over the world. We either have to divide the work into separate stacks or we have to email our finished work in token-passing style. This limits the sort of collaborative projects that can be taken on with runrev (libraries, for example, are typically single-developer items). -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]
Chipp- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 8:07:16 PM, you wrote: Also, interesting enough, the Filemaker community has picked up on MagicCarpet and are now starting to use it for their version control as well. Cool. And that makes sense, now that FileMaker 7 finally allows separate files instead of the monolithic structure it's always had. Now if we could just get FileMaker to adopt xTalk to give it a *real* programming language... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]
xavier- Monday, October 17, 2005, 12:09:22 AM, you wrote: I'd rather build the same level of ease of FMP into Rev than the opposite (which is unlikely to happen)... Yes, but why reinvent things? Ideally I'd like to see them each do what they do best. MS Access is more flexible in this way... alas... MSAccess does have a real programming language, even if it's VBA... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: control layer in a grp
Scott- Monday, October 17, 2005, 12:41:47 AM, you wrote: I'm wondering if there is an easier (faster) way to discover the stacking number of a specific field within a group (the control's stacking number just within that group) without using a repeat structure to step through all the controls in that group, checking each one to see if it is a match. if you're looking for a specific button in a group, try something like if the hilitedButton of group gpFilter is 6 then ...but you've got a group of *fields*? I've used groups of fields but then just referred to the fields by name, i.e., field x of group abc. What problem are you trying to solve? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: Re: FORTH
Bill- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 10:46:25 PM, you wrote: Ah Neon. It was the first language I bought for the Mac. It was object oriented and everything. IIRC Neon was where Michael Hore started when he built Mops and really took the whole object-oriented thing to a new level. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open source collaboration
Chipp- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 10:41:26 PM, you wrote: One of the things I really like about Rev, is the longer you program with it, the more it reveals itself as a fundamentally sound architecture. ...and I'm *extremely* glad the rev team is very cautious about making any changes to that, even when it's my own suggestions that get ignored... my code into many different libraries and plugins. One of the great things about doing it this way, is you can create 'black box' objects which can be abstracted to a level where you can reuse them again and again. Another great advantage with numerous smaller stacks, is that you're only 'touching' one part of the code, and for large projects, that's just fine with me! Absolutely in agreement with all that. Now imagine taking it a step further and encapsulating some of that code into a single button or field or group that's self-contained and reusable. Frankly, I can't imagine working on a team with a really large stack being shared by multiple programmers. OMG! The hair bristles on the back of my neck just thinking about it. I'd much rather have you do one library, and Mark do another and me work on gluing them together. ...and this is the way rev development works best right now. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO
xavier- Monday, October 17, 2005, 12:09:02 AM, you wrote: Subclassing is a bit different: You have a mehod called CreateClient that creates clients. If you wanted to use that to createClient objects or Companies, you copy the method, rename it and change what you need. I don't see how this is subclassing... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: debugging modal dlg boxes
Charles- Monday, October 17, 2005, 5:07:43 AM, you wrote: Unless you have put in some kind of escape route for debugging, you are stuck. Modals just don't allow anything else to happen until they are dismissed. Ah, OK. The cost of the app (stack) and IDE not being distinct, for the sake of avoiding compilation. Hm. ...not exactly. That's just the way modal dialogs work. I got into a situation in which a dialog had to be modal, and what it did *as* modal was what I needed to debug . . . Which isn't exactly *why* I've abandoned that trial design for this app, but it does make me glad I did. There *are* some times when modal dialogs are the best solution for a given task, and I do use them for that, but I do what Jacque does and only make them modal once I've gotten them debugged. It's a real pain otherwise. Rethinking the design is usually a better idea, as you've discovered. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]
Todd- Monday, October 17, 2005, 8:11:50 AM, you wrote: Actually FileMaker 7 (and now FileMaker 8) encourages development in less files then before. My bad. Typing without thinking again. You're right, of course. And the data/interface separation is definitely a Good Thing. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Ann: uRIPides
All- Well, there hasn't been any recent activity on the RIP circuit, so I threw together a RIP property editor plugin as a somewhat more complex version of the simple one that Richard Gaskin put together a while back. You can edit the uRIP properties of any object with this: stack, card, or control and also create updateInfoURL files ready to be uploaded to a web location. In addition, this includes what I believe are the first real-world applications of RIP properties: a button to allow for update checking (and a button to copy this to the topStack); and a button to permit creation of new mainStacks with some RIP properties already filled in and ready for editing. revOnline under my user space (mwieder) and in the RIP files area on yahoo ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/ ). Of course, mostly it was just an excuse to use Yet Another Pun. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FORTH and Hypercard
Richard- Monday, October 17, 2005, 2:37:20 PM, you wrote: Yeah, I got all up in Scott's face over that once, insisting it was absolutely necessary to support. He asked me for a test case where no alternative was available to accomplish a given goal, and darnit I never did come up with one. There are cases where I'd really *like* to have the facility, but none that I can think of that I can't work around. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FORTH and Hypercard
Jacque- Monday, October 17, 2005, 10:35:14 AM, you wrote: True, though knowing Scott Raney he wouldn't change it even now. There shouldn't really be much of a speed difference - the way this is usually handled is you create a hash table with the overloaded functions. If there's a match in the hash table then you process it locally, otherwise you move right on to the builtins. So the only hit you take is in a quick lookup in the hash table. It's a direct lookup, it's either there or it isn't, and it's compiled and optimized. Should actually take less overhead than a scripted function call. I sense an inherent incompatibility between the folks who want more speed out of the basic engine calls (arrays and such) and the folks who want the flexibility of overloading the builtin functions. I fall more in the latter category, but not enough to want things to change (and possibly break existing behavior). -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: spacebar messes up focus?
Charles- Tuesday, October 18, 2005, 4:07:56 AM, you wrote: Wel . . . of course there *are* programming environments in which that's not so hard. Rev, in contrast, doesn't have (as far as I can tell) even any way to tell how you got to a particular breakpoint line --a stack inspector in the other sense. Sure it does. Open the Variable Watcher. Look at the Context pulldown at the top. That shows your stack trace contexts. Now select one and you can see the variables from that context. Click the icon button to the right and you'll see the script editor window change to the appropriate script. Now if it just highlighted the proper line... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: spacebar messes up focus?
Charles- Tuesday, October 18, 2005, 10:19:41 AM, you wrote: Wow. I knew that. I forgot that, somewhere about a week after I started using Rev. Thanks. Not a problem. Actually, the context icon isn't documented. It got added in 2.6 and the docs and release notes haven't caught up yet. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation's Great, But the Rev IDE Doesn't Suck
Richard- Tuesday, October 18, 2005, 10:22:24 AM, you wrote: It would be interesting to hear from the makers of the Rev IDE about their debugging process. Could there be a relationship between a less-than-robust debugger and a buggy IDE built with it? ;) Ouch. Or the fact that the IDE isn't explictVars-safe. I've written up bugs on the use of nonexistent variables in the IDE that explictly declaring variables would have caught. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation's Great, But the Rev IDE Doesn't Suck
Richard- Tuesday, October 18, 2005, 10:50:36 AM, you wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MC_IDE/files/Extras/ If there's sufficient interest and joining the group to get one file seems annoying, I can mirror that file at a simpler location. Now *that's* a low-impact group - no messages between Apr 2004 and May 2005? And only 3 since then? OK - I joined up. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation's Great, But the Rev IDE Doesn't Suck
Jerry- Tuesday, October 18, 2005, 4:16:49 PM, you wrote: After a couple hundred test cycles and hundreds of suggestions on design and UI, I have decided that no two people want the same IDE. ...ain't it the truth... ...and in a funny sort of way, I kind of like it like that. I'm fully into celebrating diversity, not just living with it. If everyone thought like me I'd never learn anything. Meanwhile I'm hanging out here on the list and constantly learning new ways of thinking about things. And having a blast. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Filtering for uniqueness in a list
Harvey- Wednesday, October 19, 2005, 4:31:32 PM, you wrote: Does anyone have a good, fast method for ensuring uniqueness in a multi word list? From your description, it sounds like a plain old array would do the job for you: -- pass your list (with duplicates) in pList: function RemoveDupesFrom pList local tNoDupesA repeat for each line tData in pList put true into tNoDupesA[tData] end repeat return the keys of tNoDupesA end RemoveDupesFrom -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Filtering for uniqueness in a list
Alex- Wednesday, October 19, 2005, 5:08:44 PM, you wrote: put myVar into otherVar split otherVar by cr and TAB put the keys of otherVar into otherVar Dang! I never remember about split. Good one. Congrats on the move to broadband, BTW. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Filtering for uniqueness in a list
Harvey- Thursday, October 20, 2005, 7:49:27 AM, you wrote: work, but I'll settle on the split. It took me a while to figure out why it works. I think the split technique should be faster as well, although I haven't benchmarked it. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
Jerry- Friday, October 21, 2005, 9:33:16 AM, you wrote: Developers normally disagree on UI, but Rev developers disagree on UI and workflow both. ROTFL -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: Bush in Free Fall
All- completely off topic But it's Friday and this is way too much fun... Here's a great flash animation with physics based on Pekka's rag doll. Be sure to check out Pekka's site while you're at it (especially the elephants). Warning: not when you have anything else to do for a while... http://www.yeeguy.com/freefall/ /completely obligatory back-on-track content Makes me wonder how I would do something like this in runrev. /obligatory -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Bush in Free Fall
Jim- Friday, October 21, 2005, 5:51:36 PM, you wrote: Couldn't find the elephants. http://www.pekkasandborg.com/portfolio/?id=4 -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Bush in Free Fall
Jim- Friday, October 21, 2005, 5:51:36 PM, you wrote: something else. There is some complicated physics there. Here's a paper on the free-fall physics behind the animation, although it's still beyond me at the moment, although using Verlet integration for molecular dynamics does sound appealing: http://www.gpgstudy.com/gpgiki/GDC%202001%3A%20Advanced%20Character%20Physics -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Phishy Paypal
Thomas- Saturday, October 22, 2005, 5:28:50 AM, you wrote: Obviously it is not PayPal doing it BUT someone IS gaining access to either PayPal and/or eBay and their mailing lists 'when someone does a transaction'. This started for me right after an eBay sale and PayPal transaction. Well, eBay does own PayPal, so... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Best Update Standalone Scenario
Chipp- Friday, October 21, 2005, 10:56:24 PM, you wrote: Check out http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2003-August/021590.html The only things I would add to Chipp's excellent writeup are: I have an aversion to apps that phone home on their own at startup, so I leave this as an option for the users to check for updated versions on their own. There are obviously cases, though, where you do want the automatic checks to occur at startup. And the splash screen approach to segmenting your program also has a couple of advantages that Chipp didn't metion: a) since the process of creating a standalone binds the engine to the mainstack, this then gets attached to the splash screen, making updates much smaller and faster downloads; and b) the user perception of the smaller download is that you're not really giving them a whole new application (you may be), but that it's a minor update, making them feel better about updating the app. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: strange issue
Stephen- Friday, October 21, 2005, 10:48:11 PM, you wrote: another reason to use labeling conventions I guess... pParameter tLocalVariable gGlobalVariable cCustomProperty (or kCustomProperty?) I've come around to the convention of using uCustomProperty for my own custom properties. and kConstant (never got out of that habit)... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Best Update Standalone Scenario
Sivakatirswami- Saturday, October 22, 2005, 12:44:33 PM, you wrote: 1) How do you handle the Splash Screen-Engine-Player after the MainStack is opened... set it to invisible? Just let it sit in the background behind everything? I would guess the former, which is more normal UI behavior (I mean there is no Splash screen present in the visible GUI once the user opens an MS word document, or any Adobe document either...) Can't (or won't) answer for Chipp here, but here's the entire Splash Screen script from one of my apps. I put this into the openStack handler because I *want* the splash screen to be visible if there's a problem opening the main stack. Then the user is presented with the splash screen, which has a field that says that an error has occurred and they should contact me. on openStack set the visible of me to false open stack LPMain -- the mainStack for this app close me end openStack 2) Marie Signe recently said the special folder path to /Application Data/ on Windows was (26)... this email say (35) The difference here is whether you want a single file installed for all users on the computer to share or just for the current user (in which case different users on the computer would have separate copies of the file). Use (35) for the first case and (26) for the second case. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: docWikis
Alex- Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 7:44:04 AM, you wrote: Maybe this is why a Wiki *might* work while Web Notes (based on the last 9 months experience or so since they were introduced) demonstrably don't work. I notice that the Web Notes I have uploaded have just disappeared into the void. I don't know whether they were vetted and rejected, whether they never made it to the destination, whether they were overwritten by someone else, whether I should resubmit them, etc. I've got notes scribbled in my hardcopy of the docs and there they remain, for my eyes only. It's really not worth my while trying to type these things in anymore. If this is an attempt at a wiki sort of approach it's a failure. If it's trying to implement a Bugzilla enhancement request feature, it also isn't accomplishing that. What Web Notes are and how they work has never been documented. Maybe you have to type hkhfkj in order for them to stick? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Variable Watcher
Charles- Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 4:52:47 AM, you wrote: Well, I have a command in a loop that sends the elements of an array to be stored in a database. I put a breakpoint on the line with the command, and watch the value of the array. I know it's changing, because if I re-click the array's name in the upper panel of the Watcher, it updates to the expected value. But if I don't do that, the value is not live updated in the lower panel. Ah. OK - now it becomes clear. I think the implementation of arrays in the Variable Watcher is a work in progress. It's probably related to the fact that you can change the value of variables in the VW on the fly but can't (yet) change the values of array elements. See BZ #870, 1199, 1564 -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: How trim: Bug in RegExp engine + docWiki
Marielle- Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 4:05:38 AM, you wrote: Sure, there is this mention at the very bottom of the matchtext function. Changes to Transcript: The regular expression format changed in version 2.0 to use PCRE compatible syntax. But when I tried the PCRE syntax in version 2.1, they were not working properly. I read that in version 2.5 or 2.6 regular expressions had been improved but there is no mention of PCRE in the regular expression syntax popup and examples haven't changed. So how was I supposed to know that this has been fixed? Fixed? I think the best way to explain regular expressions in runrev is that it supports a sparsely-documented subset of PCRE compatible syntax and that subset can change at any time. BZ #428, 2805, 3198 -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Variable Watcher
Charles- Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 9:14:53 AM, you wrote: I don't have time to check at this minute -- but I'll take Mark W's message (a little farther down the list) to mean that this has already been BZ'd . . . right? This particular issue (click on an array to display the elements, continue processing, the elements don't change and don't disappear the way other variables do) hasn't been logged, and probably deserves its own entry. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: How trim: Bug in RegExp engine + docWiki
Ken- Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 10:28:36 AM, you wrote: Actually, it *should* support the full form of PCRE, since that is the library that was used when the put it into the engine. The bugs you identify above are all enhancement requests, so they are not representative of actual bugs with the engine - in fact the only other two bugs I could find were related to docs and not PCRE support at all. So AFAICT we have a full and complete PCRE implementation here, with no 'real' bugs associated with it. Well, my BZ #2805 was filed as an enhancement because I realize that runrev implements *some* of the regular expression characters in the filter command, but not all. I realize the matchText function handles more of them, but whether this inconsistency is a bug or an enhancement request is a matter of semantics. If the engine implements the full PCRE set but I can't get to it using the syntax that the builtin commands will accept, it doesn't do much good from a scripting perspective. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: How trim: Bug in RegExp engine + docWiki
Dave- Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 12:52:09 PM, you wrote: The filter command doesn't claim to use regualr expressions. (only matchText, matchChunk, and replaceText do) The docs for filter use the term wilcard expression, and in fact, a much richer set of wildcards are allowed in filter now than used to be the case. Ah. My bad in that case. I read wildcard expression to mean regular expression since that's what's used elsewhere. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: How trim: Bug in RegExp engine + docWiki
briany- Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 4:40:55 PM, you wrote: put ACcrBDCC into tText regexFilter tText,[AB][BC] // tText = AC Something like that would probably work out, but you'd lose the speed of the filter command. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OpenSockets and multiple stacks...?
Alex- Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 5:52:12 PM, you wrote: The other option would be to do it as a peer-to-peer distribution using local repeaters - an even more interesting protocol design problem, but probably even less pragmatic a choice :-) Another way to tackle this would be to have the student stacks subscribe to the instructors stack by opening socket connections. Then the instructors stack could just push out messages to the subscribed sockets. This would save you from having to use multicast packets and give you a finite and known pool of sockets to deal with. (Although the peer-to-peer approach is most definitely the more interesting way to go about designing it). -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OpenSockets and multiple stacks...?
Alex- Wednesday, October 26, 2005, 9:09:24 AM, you wrote: I think that was what I was trying to describe in: Well, sure, but that's only if you read the whole post before sending an off-the-top-of-your-head reply... peer-to-peer, although interesting, introduces (in this context) a range of privacy / confidentiality / trust concerns that I am not sure I'd ...and that's part of what makes it interesting... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Enhancement for Constellation?
Ton- Wednesday, October 26, 2005, 2:40:30 PM, you wrote: When working in larger structures, I found it handy to automatically insert a comment at the end of a control structure, showing the name of the control structure. The comment is only placed when the structure is more then 5 lines big, including the start- and endline. I do the same, only I rarely limit it to structures five lines or longer - I know that I'll be going in and adding things to the conditional structure later on, whether I intend to or not, so adding the comment when I create it makes it harder to forget about it when the structure grows later. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Programming tools philosophy.
Alex- Wednesday, October 26, 2005, 5:39:04 PM, you wrote: http://charlespetzold.com/etc/DoesVisualStudioRotTheMind.html Dang. I started reading this right after the White Sox game and now I have to think about dinner, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow to see how I would code a solver for the Enigma puzzle. What is the largest integer whose digits are all different (and do not include 0) that is divisible by each of its individual digits? That article is a *very* interesting read - I couldn't put it down. Petzold, of course, knows his stuff, and although I do disagree with him on the subject of Generated Code here I always find him worth reading. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: working method?
Charles- Wednesday, October 26, 2005, 7:25:38 PM, you wrote: I keep getting lost. I keep forgetting where my code is that does such-and-such. (Which script was that in?) So I keep losing track of what I was about to do next, and my concentration falls apart. It's making Rev *much* slower for me to program in than supposedly more complicated languages like Python and C++. Anybody think this makes any sense? Any hints how to think about it differently? I find it interesting that the Petzold article that Alex Tweedly pointed out has a section dealing with this very subject... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Programming tools philosophy.
Steve- Wednesday, October 26, 2005, 11:48:00 PM, you wrote: What is the largest integer whose digits are all different (and do not include 0) that is divisible by each of its individual digits? The biggest I get is 864312, have not tested all yet. 12346789 through 98764321 does not yield a result. Thanks, but I'm actually more interested in the program that finds the answer than in the result itself. Can you show your work? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Programming tools philosophy.
Alex- Nice. And that elapsed time is amazing. If I'm reading the statistics properly, your program performed 208 divisions out of 229 trials, so 21 attempts were rejected due to repeated digits. And 773 attempts were rejected because they contained 0, 4, or 5. But did you really mean if c is in char i+1 to -i of tNum then -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I guess I stumped everyone. :(
Jacque- Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 10:06:55 AM, you wrote: Charles Hartman wrote: On Nov 2, 2005, at 11:46 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: In the button, add this script: on mouseup bloogle end mouseup When you click the button it will generate an error. See if the error dialog is the correct size. -- and if it *doesn't* generate an error, you will have discovered a little-known but very useful Rev-internal command. (Hint: watch what happens to the person sitting next to you.) Works on pets, too. And cleaned all the gunk out of my engine. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: checking removable drives
Richard- Tuesday, November 1, 2005, 1:22:08 PM, you wrote: I'd like to be able to determine if an app is running from a removable drive. I've found that on OS X I can call system_profiler from shell, but it takes between 2 and 4 seconds on my 1GHz PB. And I've found no solution at all for Windows. There's a GetDriveType external function for Windows in the sdk. I thought there was an OSX Gestalt function for this, but I can't find it. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Globals Question
Raymond- Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 3:13:51 PM, you wrote: From this I can set a global or get a value anywhere in the stack at any time without additional global declarations, no matter what the object is. Nice ...and even better would be to make myglobalarray local, as nonintutive as that seems... local myglobalarray -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: checking removable drives
Chipp- Thursday, November 3, 2005, 12:50:36 PM, you wrote: PS I've asked Chris about how to figure out the removable drive thing on XP w/out vbs...He's processing...(unfortunately, I'm using Chris 1.0, the 2.0 version *still* hasn't been released). Again, there's an external call in the sdk to do this. There's a Win32 API call named GetDriveType() that returns DRIVE_REMOVABLE for removable drives. Including USB flash drives. I doubt this can be done without an external call, short of seeing if a write works. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev
Dan- Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 2:33:12 PM, you wrote: A good experience is rich, something worth exploring, telling others about, and experiencing again. It's overdetermined - or holistic - or *integrated*. And being integrated makes it (often) hard to explain, since one can't truly reduce an integrated whole to a simple cause. Well said, I think, and an apt description of Revolution's many- faceted appeals. Yes, for those of us already in the know. It's still no help, though, in terms of describing Revolution to potential users. My favorite so far is It was a world of what it was, and it resembled nothing so much as an environment -Edward Albee ...so - any attempt at trying to describe this for folks who haven't dived in yet? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: checking removable drives
Chipp- Thursday, November 3, 2005, 10:33:33 PM, you wrote: Well then Mark, are you going to share it? ;-) The source is in the sdk. Do you need the compiled dll? I can't post it to the list or to revonline... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev
Erin- Friday, November 4, 2005, 6:16:55 AM, you wrote: Thanks for the writeup. Nice description. (1) When I read on the Rev website that it was unlike Java, C++, or VB, my interest in Revolution increased about tenfold--from an ease of use Interesting. This is the first report I can remember seeing where someone was drawn to rev because it was UNlike something else. (2) My next concern was power and ability; a look at the command and and maybe 2.5: I find myself some four to five times as productive writing xtalk as c++ or java. Part of that's getting out of the code-compile-debug-repeat cycle, part is the near-natural language syntax, part is the power that's built into the engine, part is the flexibility. this) reminds me of REXX, which I think was a great innovation in I forgot about REXX (had to take my dusty manual off the shelf). I usually think of xtalk as being close to Python and Ruby. My description of Rev is an RAD tool that lets you construct a GUI as easy as with VB, make it functional with normal language code, and work with all the files, databases, and I/O devices you'd expect it to. Oh, it lets you compile for Windows, MAC, and 'NIX, as well. ...at least in theory. And as they say, In theory there's no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev
John- Friday, November 4, 2005, 4:33:55 AM, you wrote: I just called it Hyper-HyperCard Greetings, just joined the list today by the way. Welcome to the list. I find that if someone already knows what HyperCard is then there's no problem. If they don't (most of the managers I talk with when trying to pitch a project) then they just don't get it. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev
Jim- Thursday, November 3, 2005, 5:08:13 PM, you wrote: am done. Cross platform made dead easy... (with emphasis on... well... all of the words.) ...except maybe for dead... g -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Controlling External Devices
Chipp- Thursday, November 3, 2005, 9:09:59 PM, you wrote: Chris did spend a significant amount of time writing a USB external for both Mac and PC, but after taking a look at the way data is handled through a USB connection, we decided it would take way too much hand-holding tech support to ever release such a product. Bummer. I was looking forward to that. Any plans to open-source it then? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Controlling External Devices
Chipp- Friday, November 4, 2005, 12:47:58 PM, you wrote: I think the way to handle USB externals is to right specific externals for specific tasks. For instance a TWAIN USB external which could interface with TWAIN compliant scanners. Sad but true. And TWAIN is still one of my favorite acronyms. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev
Richard- Friday, November 4, 2005, 6:17:02 PM, you wrote: You know the great Chris Crawford?! He's a god. Loved Siboot -- nothing like it at the time. Now that's a name I haven't heard in years. I did a quick search: Siboot II is available here: http://www.erasmatazz.com/free.html Apparently Siboot only sold some 5000 copies back in the day. ...and the Erasmatron is now at version 4 and Erasmatron 4 is being rebuilt from the ground up in Java in order to enable full cross-platform compatibility. http://www.erasmatazz.com/Erasmatron4/Erasmatron4.html It's not too late to discover what true cross-platform compatibility is like... looking at the Deikto dictionary, this seems like something that's *very* easy to do in rev, and I wouldn't even attempt this in java. The one nice thing about doing it in java, though, is that you have real subclasses instead of having to fake them in xtalk. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Virtual custom property question
Ken- Saturday, November 5, 2005, 2:28:24 PM, you wrote: Yes, you look at the 'executionContexts'... the last line will be the group itself (i.e. the last object to act on the script), but the *second to last* line will be the object that was trying to set the custom property. standard disclaimer ...and keep in mind that the executionContexts is not documented, so it may change or disappear with any future release. Given that it's used internally in the IDE and that there isn't any alternative to using it, that isn't likely to happen any time soon, but use it at your own risk. I'd like to see it documented and given runrev's blessing, but that hasn't happened yet. /standard disclaimer -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My Prototype update!
Tom- !!!Bravo!!! I want to be able to tell success stories like this when I grow up... If the team doesn't pick up on this as a feature story I'm gonna leave them out of my will. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OTAnn] Feedback - take care!
David- Tuesday, November 8, 2005, 1:23:50 AM, you wrote: Personally - i don't like the feel of this. Web app on site requires you to trust certificate and therefore presumably give you access to all your emails. Marketing to a list like this, without including so much as a url, or anything that looks like a real name - well to be frank the question to this list is: - would you trust a salesman who came into your house, who you have never met, never heard of their company, promises you a great freebee, flashes a quick business card, and then asks to read all your mail? AFAIK this is the first time this list has been hijacked. They seem to have found a slick way to deliver broadband ads while providing list content in approximately a third of the screen. (this from the demo, since I refused to load their app onto any of my systems) No contact info on the web site other than for advertisers. Listmom? - by the way is shenanigans your real name? That would be: Cekvenich, Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5521 Greenville Dallas, TX 75206 US 917 825 3035 Info from the whois server at http://www.betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?domain=roomity.comx=0y=0 -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Best Practices
John- Tuesday, November 8, 2005, 6:07:29 PM, you wrote: Hi, Erin, stepping in for Erin http://www.swcp.com/dsc/revstacks.html -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Daylight Savings (Was Re: Scripting conference stack
Klaus- Tuesday, November 8, 2005, 2:39:02 PM, you wrote: well, took me a bit longer since I am a german native speaker and know how to pronounce Adenauer correctly :-) ...then you must be familiar with his comrade, Evenanauer... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Testing Standards
Tom- Sunday, November 6, 2005, 8:02:12 PM, you wrote: Thanks for the kind words and comments. I am now trying to set up a testing team for my project. And, well, I am used to doing this as a one man team and i am pretty good at that, but I need to organize a small team of 2 to 4 people to do the testing on the ANSI C engineering aspect of the project and am not sure of the best way to go about this. Is there a set of standards for group testing? What about software? I know our programming team is using bugzilla, which is great for bugs but what about features and whether they are being done right or not? If you're using Bugzilla and happy with it, then stay there. Feature requests can be accomodated, as can feedback on features and the lack thereof. Does anyone have some pointers in this direction? How to keep the team together and on the same page? Well, nobody else has chimed in on this so here goes... What's worked best for me is a hard one to get everyone to sign onto, but it's a matter of *not* coding and *not* writing tests until the last phase of the project, but rather putting most of the effort into getting the engineering specification document defined. Once that's rock-solid and all the ambiguities are out of it then engineering can start building to match the spec and QA can start building tests that also meet the spec. Once engineering starts delivering builds to QA then the tests should run without failure. When bugs are discovered they are either the result of a) engineering not building in conformance with the spec, b) QA not building their tests properly, or c) an ambiguity in the spec that wasn't caught in the design process. The a) and b) bugs are easy to sort out and assign to the proper party for resolution. The exceptions are what are then brought to the bug meetings to be resolved. When the inevitable changes occur over the design life-cycle, those changes are incorporated into the specification and both engineering and QA make the appropriate modifications. This design philosophy is at the opposite end of the spectrum from the Agile Programming folks. I spent a year and a half as QA lead on a project following this method and delivered two award-winning products reasonably on time (changes in requirements mid-project - gotta love those marketing types) and within budget. The reason it's hard to sign onto is that it requires a leap of faith in the process - people are itchy to code and there's no product to show for maybe the first two thirds of the develoopment cycle. With rev there's a bit of a difference, since the product can be storyboarded as a proof of concept for the client and then the prototype later becomes the working model without having to start from scratch again. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Testing Standards
in there might be more in-depth than you want to get unless you're diving into software testing in a big way. You can find these online at Amazon or Powells if you have to, but see if your local independent bookstore can order them first. What's left in and out: I usually find that what's left out causes more problems that what's put in. It's easy to write test cases and very hard to write a complete set of test cases. When I'm developing something (this goes back to point 1) I find that I think I'm doing a good job testing what I've written, but as soon as I hand it to someone else they try a use case that I never thought of and it all falls apart rapidly. I hate to say it, but forethought pays off. So do peer reviews for sanity checks - is closing the window the same as pressing the Done button? what happens if someone pastes text in here instead of typing it? what happens if someone puts in quotes and symbols in a url field?, etc. Some resources: Check out: http://www.qalinks.com/ http://www.opensourcetesting.org/testmgt.php OK - got more long-winded than I thought. I'll duck out now. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The Disappearing Desktop - It's Real This Time
Dan- Wednesday, November 9, 2005, 4:16:42 PM, you wrote: There is no necessary connection between where data is and where the app is. That's just today's temporary model. That may be true, but according to UNESCO's 3 November report on Knowledge versus Information Societies 11 percent of the world's population has access to the internet. And that's not talking about wired-in broadband connection - this includes dialup and folks who simply have access to internet cafes and such. http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0014/001418/141843e.pdf -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Safe (icon) image IDs
xavier- Friday, November 11, 2005, 3:34:39 AM, you wrote: Downloads perfectly - it was tested this morning. http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloadsd_op=getitlid=82; The html tags you attempted to use are not allowed -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
frappr map
All- I just created a frappr map so we can see where we are. http://www.frappr.com/runtimerevolution -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Sony music installs secret malware gateway
Andre- Friday, November 11, 2005, 2:29:42 PM, you wrote: It installs a friggin RootKit on the system!! And thats not all, the RootKit makes all files prefixed with $sys$ invisible to the average user, and that is already being exploited by Virus writers on the wild This just in... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4427606.stm -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: frappr map
Sarah- Friday, November 11, 2005, 6:02:00 PM, you wrote: That's neat Mark. I'm in but it doesn't allow very precise placement of my flag. Perhaps it is better in the US where you can enter a zip code. I'm actually not quite sure of the UI. I fiddled with the map, centered it on my house and told it to just go ahead a do it. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Xlate libTranslator
Aurélien- Saturday, November 12, 2005, 4:19:27 AM, you wrote: I'm looking for the Xlate demo stack wich used to be available from the users' spaces. The Go to button doesn't activate any download for this particular stack. Is there any URL where i could download it ? Do you know any other stack wich demonstrates the possible uses of libTranslator ? Thanks for the heads-up on that. I have no idea why that wouldn't download - some revOnline glitch. I deleted it and uploaded it again, creating a new entry, and it seems to work now. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: frappr map
x- Friday, November 11, 2005, 7:01:49 PM, you wrote: Cool What do you know, rev users using Ajax ;) g -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: frappr map
Marty- Friday, November 11, 2005, 6:49:14 PM, you wrote: Oddly enough, this is the second time in 24 hours frappr has come to my attention and I've been invited to add myself -- I had never heard of frappr before this. Is it new? (I notice it's in beta.) It does seem rather US-centric, doesn't it? Yes. I've adjusted the map so that it shows the whole world now. It's using Google maps, so my guess is that it's a Google spinoff. I've just become aware of it in the last couple of weeks, so I think it's *very* new... and *very* beta. But much fun. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
