Re: [libreoffice-users] Look for step-by-step guide
Hi :) If you do figure this out then it might be great to have a How-To video about it. At the moment it seems to have quite a steep learning curve so people tend to stick with what they already know and understand. Regards from Tom :) From: C. H. D. webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk To: LibreOffice User Support Mailing List users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 2:26 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Look for step-by-step guide Hi! I am new to debugging and programming. Referring to: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60710#c5 ... do you have a debug symbols build you could run valgrind in to see if there is some memory corruption there ? What documents should I consult to help me to understand what to do? Where is the step-by-step guide, especially for LibreOffice 4? (I need detailed steps.) Regards, C. H. D. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Perhaps Moodle? I haven't looked into Moodle but keep meaning to. It's supposedly good for higher education but it might be more about just tutors and lecturers being able to place documents and text and stuff in an attractive layout that's easy for students to just read. I'm not sure how interactive it can be. Regards from Tom :) we have 'moodle' (for some reason our ITS calls it 'nexus') and I used to use it when it first came out. I have looked to see if this is built in and it probably is, or they could activate it, but I haven't found it yet; I should just ask and I might settle for it but I don't like using moodle otherwise so that would be my only use for it -- it is a rather large canon for the little fly I want to swat. I am more partial to drupal but haven't yet found a utility for file uploading that was simple enough to configure in small snatches of time I have for it. it often seems to require installing this and that module, updating the whole she-bang and so on. I just don't have time for reconstructive surgery on my drupal site, not now at least and now would be a great time to have the upload utility. oh, well. pardon the off-off-topic; we should get back to the main off-topic or even on topic! F. From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 6:55 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point? On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: On 13-02-14 02:05 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: this thread is off-topic but I'll take advantage of it before it's cut: I would like a solution where a) individuals could upload documents to me b) they wouldn't be able to see each other's documents (unless I allowed it) c) should be either linux-based or agnostic. OwnCloud. Wait for version 5 though (End of February): http://owncloud.org/ Cheers, Fabian thanks. this deserves more study but so far as I can see now, it doesn't suit my purpose. it allows me to access files from diverse places and devices. I can already do that on a server to which I have ssh and sshfs access. what I need is something where _others_ can upload their files for _me_ to access. think of students uploading papers for the teacher to grab. the students shouldn't see each other's work though they should see their own. (it would be great if they had permissions to modify and delete their own stuff but not essential; it is essential that Windows and Mac people can upload their files.) I'll study the owncloud page more but I'm not seeing these features so far. F. -- Felmon Davis What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite. -- Bertrand Russell, _Sceptical_Essays_, 1928 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis Things to do today: 1. Get up. 2. Survive. 3. Go to bed. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Answering user-support questions Fw: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!
Hi :) I'm sure you already know all this and probably do it far better than i do. It's kinda what i wish i did rather than what i really do. Generally i find that users are able to solve their own problems if they are just given the slightest nudge. So, ime a good 1st response to any question is 1. Extremely short 2. Friendly but NOT detailed or heavily researched. Users are usually pretty clueless about what they are asking so their initial question is often very misleading and answers run the risk of answering the question that was asked, exactly as it was asked, instead of giving the user the help they really wanted So, to me a good 1st response to a question provides 3 things; 1. A quick one liner, a rough guess at an answer 2. A link to documentation or a wiki-page 3. A question or few to try to find out more about parameters of the problem that they might not have been aware of as being relevant. eg Does it work when you save in a different format? Which OS or platform?, Which version of LibreOffice but try to make it clear that if they can't answer or don't know then you still want to hear from them to let you know how they are progressing or if they are still stuck. 4. Make them feel welcome and comfortable and that your 1st response is likely to be followed by others. For 1 2 these only need to be guesses and are more about trying to get the user to give us more information or phrase their question better or at least less inaccurately. For 2 the actual page you give as a link is not hugely important = the main aim is to make it easier for them to look-up issues they might have in the future rather than having to rely on waiting for answers. If 1 is a trivial and unlikely answer then let them know you expect they have already tried it but that sometimes it's the most trivial fixes that get over-looked. For 3 try to avoid too many questions because it's probably going in the wrong direction already anyway. The aim is to get them to open up with a bit more description NOT to interrogate them! Once you settle on good wording you can generally get all that down to about 3 fairly short sentences, a link and 2-4 quick little questions. Then it's just copypaste (but modify) in order to quickly get 1st responses out to as many unanswered threads as possible. I once managed 50 in just a couple of hours! If threads are old and either never got an answer or seem to be unresolved then a good tactic seems to be to prepare another very short off-list answer that includes 1. An apology for not responding sooner 2. Ask if they have figured it out or if it's still a problem or if they have a new problem 3. Let them know it might be good to repost the question or bump their thread or ask a new question. This is especially good i you have noticed there are good and bad times to get results for questions. Let them know when is likely to be a best time. On Ubuntu's launchpad answers it used to be just as America was getting up or getting home from school but before Europe went to sleep (even though most answerers at that time lived in Europe or Asia (or Australia)) 4. Give a link to another place that gives user support or to the generic Get Help page on the official website 5. Give a link to documentation 6. If it's possible to read the question in a way that gives a vaguely possible trivial answer then give it but really briefly and apologise because again i know you've probably already tried this but it's amazing how often a waggle the wires answer turns out to fix seemingly intractable problems. (something like that) Again the aim is not to give precise detail or heavily researched answers. The aim is to get responses out there quickly and bulk-process a LOT of threads as quickly as possible. The aim is to avoid leaving people facing the scary unknown void alone. Often when i face a problem i might spend weeks or months or even years worrying about it but then when i get around to asking about it, in a forum or somewhere, i stumble on the answer myself about 5mins later. It happens to a lot of people. So, even if the person asking did manage to ask the question they really wanted to ask the chances are that they don't need a carefully researched answer. Just something quick and cheerful (unlike this post). Since around 60-80% of questions are solved by a really gentle nudge it might be worth mentioning that in a user-led community people that have found a problem and fixed it are likely to be able to help others. By fixing their own problem they have effectively earned their first stripes and deserve to be congratulated and welcomed into the community. Many people make no effort and give up at the first hurdle (even including long-term users) so anyone that has broken through that first problem deserves to be welcomed in. Regards from Tom :) - Forwarded Message - From:
[libreoffice-users] Forum for Ask community Fw: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!
Hi :) The people answering questions at the AskBot site need more people to join in with answering questions. If you just lurk on this list because something about it bugs you then it might well be because you prefer the way AskBot is set-up. It's a much more modern approach with more flexibility and looks prettier (but don't be fooled. It does have a lot of power under the bonnet) To Robinson ... There is going to be another more traditional forum soon. It might be useful for the Ask contributors to hijack/create a part of that to help coordinate and build-up their Answerers Team. This mailing list might be another approach if people can sign-up without receiving any emails and then just create threads in Nabble. This approach would bring answerers from both parts together on a more frequent basis. Alternatively maybe AskBot can be tweaked into providing a more useful place within itself? or perhaps you could set-up a mailing list purely for answerers at AskBot or maybe include people from this list and the forum. There's always Facebook and stuff too that are allegedly quite good at helping build communities Good luck and regards form Tom :) - Forwarded Message - From: Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com To: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Cc: documentation documentat...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 3:43 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore! On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: When I first went to the odfauthors.org site, I thought that it was a site for end-users because of the highly-prominent links to books for sale, but now I believe that the website is largely focused on internal production. Perhaps there's something we can do to make things more clear to regular users as well as to our volunteer community. ODFAuthors have been partners with OOo and in particular with LibreOffice from the very start. cool. Jean Hollis Weber of ODFAuthors is one of our most prolific contributors on the project, we also make use of ODFAuthor resources and goodwill. I believe it is we who should be thankful for ODFAuthors helping us out with the docs teams and resources. I doubt things would go as smoothly without Jean and her team at ODFAuthors who work at quite high professional standards. Yes, I'd previously run across the Taming LibreOffice website, but didn't put the pieces together until just recently that she was the head of the Documentation Team :-) As far as I can remember, all that same information is already up on the Ask site. You just have to find it. No need to go to Archive.org. ok, cool. IMO, most questions users ask on the Ask.LibreOffice.org site are probably best answered there, and, IMO, I don't see a reason to work on any user-related FAQ when the Ask.LibreOffice.org site is probably the best type of solution for a good living/breathing FAQ site. Using the Ask site as the general FAQ as we go forward sounds like a solid plan to me. The FAQ on the wiki currently has some overlap with the Ask site: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq What do you guys think about migrating questions from that FAQ to the Ask site? I'd be happy to shepherd that work, if that's amenable to you. I don't think this would be an acceptable option as the FAQ is, again, used in large part for contributor work. Ah, okay. Most of the questions on the FAQ on the wiki seem to relate more to *use* of LibreOffice than being a *contributor* to the project. The contributor-specific content I see on that page is a link to the List of Frequently Asked Questions for Development. These types of questions/categories seem like they're more suited to a user-targeted FAQ: - Spell-checking doesn't work ! - What are the system requirements for LibreOffice? - How do I change the email client used by LibreOffice? IMO, there is nothing wrong with overlapping/doubling or information as people tend to operate in different ways; some like to get information from FAQ's, others from Ask sites, others from mailing lists, others from forums ... IMO, it is up to the site maintainers to triage the information appropriately so that it is factual (as best as one can get) for their own particular user base. To me, it doesn't sound like a good idea to remove a contributor tool for users when we are in need of contributors. I think doubling could be okay if we had enough manpower to maintain all of our web properties. As you mention, we are in need of contributors, and every additional copy of documentation or information requires additional personnel to keep it fresh and up to date. To wit, some of the entries in the wiki FAQ are merely pointers to other pages (e.g. the System Requirements) and seem unlikely to change. However there are other pages, such as the information about supported file formats, or information about the user profile, that may need more
Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 17:37 +, IBBoard wrote: Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a business, that is unacceptable - and rightly so, since it means important documents go outside your perimeter. Instead they use a document management system (like Sharepoint or Alfresco) that they install and manage centrally. Unlike a wiki, a document management system gives full, normal document management. Unlike a CMS it is all about documents, and unlike a LAN share it does versioning and workflow. Once you get your mind around workflow you'll never want to live without it. Steep curve though, it is a real change of mindset. And CMIS is an extensible data model and allows for establishing relationships between documents in a standard way. No bad there, and a big step forward over something like DropBox which simply moves the 'garbage dump' from the [Open] file-server to the [proprietary] cloud. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4 in LibreOffice 4
Thanks for all the ideas. The same task can be done in your ways as well. Regards, C. H. D. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 寄件人︰ webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com 收件人︰ users@global.libreoffice.org 傳送日期︰ 2013年02月14日 (週四) 7:24 PM 主題︰ Re: [libreoffice-users] Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4 in LibreOffice 4 On 02/13/2013 11:31 PM, C. H. D. wrote: Hello! I did not find pixels in LibreOffice: Tools - Options - LibreOffice Draw - General - Unit of measurement That was why I used cm instead. Thanks. Regards, C. H. D. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ snip https://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/demo_create This is Firefox's site that walks you through the creation of Persona designs. Since LibreOffice uses their Persona guidelines, currently, I am going by their information. They describe using a header image of 3000 pixels wide by 200 pixels high. The footer size is 3000 pixels by 100 pixels. They also have a file size limit of no more than 300KB for the images [total size of the two combined, I believe]. Now here it the sticking point. Draw seems to want you to create pages, not specific images, like Corel Draw and Inkscape. You must be able to create a specific image size, in pixels, and I do not know how to do that in Draw. I just looked - There is a Pixel definition in the File Export using the exporting to a JPG format. There you can take your design and make it the correct pixel size. All you have to do it make the image proportional to the needed pixel size. Make your page/image be in centimeters and use a box 300 by 20 cm in size for your design area. Then export it to the 3000 by 200 pixels. - - - - What I did when I created a felt texture Persona was this: I created a page wide design using all of the filters and texture-fills that Inkscape has. I played around with them till I got a background image that I liked. That was using vector graphics way of making designs, the way Inkscape and Draw does. Then I exported the design to a bitmap image that is pixel based, like photos are. I made sure it was exported to be at least 3000 pixels wide and 200 high. Then I used a package, like GIMP, Paint Shop Pro, or Photoshop, to do some editing of the image to get the final design to be EXACTLY the 3000 pixel width and the 200 and 100 pixel high required for the Firefox specifications for a Persona. At that point I tested the Persona design, to make sure it did look well and was not interfering with the header and footer menu and icons. If you want to use it for LibreOffice 4.0.x and/or Firefox, you test the design[s] and tweak them before you decide they are working well for you. At that point, currently, you can go through the posting process to get your Persona listed in the Firefox Gallery. It is a simple process. I have asked the question about the approval process and a gallery placement within a LibreOffice page, like we have fore templates and extensions. We need approval if we use the official logo[s] for LibreOffice and TDF. So, look into the Person design specifications on Firefox's page. See if there is a way to create and export an image to a specific pixel size. Since I have not learned how to use Draw properly, I do not know this process. - - - - I use Corel Draw and Inkscape for my vector graphics images and Paint Shop Pro [5] and GIMP for the bitmap/pixel editing work. I use Ubuntu/Linux for my default OS on my desktop that I do most of my work. I use Inkscape and GIMP on them. I do use a Win7 and a Win XP/pro laptop[s] that I have Corel Draw, Inkscape, Paint Shop Pro [5] and GIMP installed on them. I have been using specific packages for specific design processes. Since I have used Paint Shop Pro 5 [and other] for many year before I looked into using any Linux system, I find it easier to use it for some image editing needs. Since I now use Linux for my desktop, I have been learning how it use GIMP for these editing processes. To be honest, right now, I do not know much about Draw's abilities and how to use it properly. It seems to be a vector graphics editor. It would be nice if I learned that package well enough to use it for that, but I know other vector graphic package much better and therefore easier for me to do the needed design work. I have been using some packages since they came out in the Windows 95/98 and XP days. You use what it easier for you to use. Maybe I will take the time to learn how to use Draw as well as I know the other packages, but that is not for the near future. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will
Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
Hi :) Hmmm, what worries me is MS and Standards in the same sentence. Haven't we already learned, many times over, that MS's idea of open = closed standards and interoperable = only works once on one system or at least that seems to be the way it has always worked out historically. So while it looks good i am fairly convinced there is a trap here somewhere even if i can't see it and don't already know about it. An OpenSource equivalent that uses the alleged 'standard' would be much more comforting. Regards from Tom :) From: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 12:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point? On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 11:28 -0600, anne-ology wrote: Content Management System ;-) ... LAN ;-) ... a wiki ;-) ??? as to these - I haven't a clue; I'll continue to stick with the KISs method ;-) What is simple about Content Management? Nothing. But if we each sign up to use DropBox, we can each end up with 6Gb of free space to use as we wish in sharing documents - And DropBox is a single-vendor proprietary service. Loving these services and bashing Microsoft in the same e-mail is nonsensical. and MsFt does not have any control over this :-) CMIS IS A STANDARD!!! MsFt has no 'control' over it. It is even a standard that uses REST and Atom publishing... how is that a *BAD* thing??? I just started looking into CMIS and it seems like a *FINALLY!* thing to me. We've needed a standard like this for ages. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 13:31 +, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hmmm, what worries me is MS and Standards in the same sentence. Haven't we already learned, many times over, that MS's idea of open = closed This is true for corporations, nothing specific to Microsoft. That is why you need Open implementations and the ratification of a standards body. CMIS has all these. standards and interoperable = only works once on one system or at least that seems to be the way it has always worked out historically. Nope, that is already not true for CMIS. So while it looks good i am fairly convinced there is a trap here somewhere even if i can't see it and don't already know about it. An OpenSource equivalent that uses the alleged 'standard' would be much more comforting. There *IS* Open Source implementations of CMIS. Alfresco is Open Source. And there is even CMIS plugins for Drupal. There are several other CMIS implementations, see the CMIS Wiki page - they even have a column indicating if the implementation is Open Source or not. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
Hi :) Ahh, cool. Since several OpenSource projects appear to be quite happy with the Standards then i trust it a little more. I'd have to look into some of those projects and see what they are saying about the standard though. Never believe anything until it's denied by a government minister. I guess some of you need to swap out gov minister and replace with senator or whatever. Regards from Tom :) From: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 13:49 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point? On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 13:31 +, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hmmm, what worries me is MS and Standards in the same sentence. Haven't we already learned, many times over, that MS's idea of open = closed This is true for corporations, nothing specific to Microsoft. That is why you need Open implementations and the ratification of a standards body. CMIS has all these. standards and interoperable = only works once on one system or at least that seems to be the way it has always worked out historically. Nope, that is already not true for CMIS. So while it looks good i am fairly convinced there is a trap here somewhere even if i can't see it and don't already know about it. An OpenSource equivalent that uses the alleged 'standard' would be much more comforting. There *IS* Open Source implementations of CMIS. Alfresco is Open Source. And there is even CMIS plugins for Drupal. There are several other CMIS implementations, see the CMIS Wiki page - they even have a column indicating if the implementation is Open Source or not. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Microfund your favourite Issue
Hi :) Has anyone found an early post in this thread and forwarded it off to the board-discuss list and /or devs list or other place we might get some good feedback about credibility? I kinda trust Joel but can't remember where the original post came from. Regards from Tom :) From: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 13:46 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Microfund your favourite Issue On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 09:06 -0800, Joel Madero wrote: I wonder, though, how would the fixed bug integrate into the code maintained by the LibO crew. It is open to anyone, and anyone is welcome to contribute so that wouldn't be an issue. Interesting discussion happening here, please keep it alive and pass the word :-D I haven't seen a message in this thread from someone with an libreoffice e-mail address... is this at all 'sanctioned' by the project? Someone in the project on-board? Someone credible is vouching that www.freedomsponsors.org is legit and on-the-level? I am a contributor for LibreOffice both in development and QA. I wouldn't say it's sanctioned (ie. we're not saying definitely use this service) but it has been used successfully at least once or twice before. This being said, it's still no guarantee that it'll get your enhancement done immediately but it's okay to offer funding to have your bug fixed. Of course. It's just up to developers to decide if the payment is a) necessary for them and b) enough that they'll do it :) We are currently working on getting these details on the website along with are certified developer list with their fee schedules. Not sure when this Excellent; this is a great idea. I've just been around for decades and I've seen some of these kind of sites come and go, and some have been a bit skeezy. It is comforting to know that active participant are involved with this effort. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Microfund your favourite Issue
On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 14:02 +, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Has anyone found an early post in this thread and forwarded it off to the board-discuss list and /or devs list or other place we might get some good feedback about credibility? I kinda trust Joel but can't remember where the original post came from. Regards from Tom :) Joel responded, that is enough credibility for me. http://joelmadero.wordpress.com/ -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort. Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor. Thanks. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote: Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort. Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor. I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of software. E-readers are what they say they are: readers. In other words, their users are using them to read documents. More than that, in general they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they get to the end of one page, they will next want to see the next page. And the only sense of page is as much as fills the screen of the display device. Word processors are quite different. In general, they are still fixated on printing the final document: the page size is the format of the eventual supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not usually) the size and format of the screen used for display. People usually choose settings that display less than a printed page of a document; if you were looking at such a screenful and then moved down a full page, you would unhelpfully have missed part of the text. But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing, not reading. If you are editing at one point in a document and you now need to move down to a point currently off your screen image, it is not at all obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move to a following page. It is much more likely that you would want to be able to see some part of the document further down but whilst also still seeing the part on which you had just been working. The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on screen but only from hard copy. It is interesting that software has been moving towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather slowly. Microsoft Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a slide show, in which case it opens for any recipient as for display, not for further editing. Microsoft Word has a reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not necessarily in the original layout - and in which your page down function works as you want. There is also a freeware Word Viewer available from Microsoft, intended for users without Microsoft Word installed. Again, since this is a reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests by moving down a screenful. Oh, and try opening a read-only file with LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat page down differently and move down (almost) a screenful. Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit reading mode for use in reading, not editing, documents? Possibly. Meanwhile, if you want something close to this behaviour in Writer, here's your workaround: just click the Edit File button in the Standard toolbar to toggle on this behaviour. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
Hi :) Yes, the button probably should say Screen down instead of page down for most uses of the button and only say Page down for those rare cases where it really does mean a page. Regards from Tom :) PS blimey a short answer for once!! lol From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote: Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort. Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor. I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of software. E-readers are what they say they are: readers. In other words, their users are using them to read documents. More than that, in general they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they get to the end of one page, they will next want to see the next page. And the only sense of page is as much as fills the screen of the display device. Word processors are quite different. In general, they are still fixated on printing the final document: the page size is the format of the eventual supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not usually) the size and format of the screen used for display. People usually choose settings that display less than a printed page of a document; if you were looking at such a screenful and then moved down a full page, you would unhelpfully have missed part of the text. But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing, not reading. If you are editing at one point in a document and you now need to move down to a point currently off your screen image, it is not at all obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move to a following page. It is much more likely that you would want to be able to see some part of the document further down but whilst also still seeing the part on which you had just been working. The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on screen but only from hard copy. It is interesting that software has been moving towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather slowly. Microsoft Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a slide show, in which case it opens for any recipient as for display, not for further editing. Microsoft Word has a reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not necessarily in the original layout - and in which your page down function works as you want. There is also a freeware Word Viewer available from Microsoft, intended for users without Microsoft Word installed. Again, since this is a reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests by moving down a screenful. Oh, and try opening a read-only file with LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat page down differently and move down (almost) a screenful. Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit reading mode for use in reading, not editing, documents? Possibly. Meanwhile, if you want something close to this behaviour in Writer, here's your workaround: just click the Edit File button in the Standard toolbar to toggle on this behaviour. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells
I've been following this thread and wondering what a use case would be for subdividing cells. On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-02-14 9:19 AM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: At 08:50 14/02/2013 -0500, Nobody Noname wrote: ... but it is much more complicated than if there was the possibility to just subdivide a single cell into multiples... OK: suppose you divide cell Xn into four cells- two vertically and two horizontally. How do you now refer to the four new cells in formulae? Initially, until some method was developed that made sense, it could just be a limitation of split cells that you can't use them in formulas. And maybe it would have to stay that way. None of the times I wanted to be able to do this was it critical that I me able to use them in formulas. And which of the now four separate values gets used if you refer to plain cell Xn in a formula? Pick one (upper left, lower right, etc). Could even be a pref. Or, as above, make it unsupported, unless/until a method is developed for supporting it that makes sense. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
But the issue is now what it's called. The problem is that it doesn't screen down consistently, giving a full new screen save for a consistent one- or two-line overlap at the top. On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 15:25 +, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, the button probably should say Screen down instead of page down for most uses of the button and only say Page down for those rare cases where it really does mean a page. Regards from Tom :) PS blimey a short answer for once!! lol From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote: Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort. Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor. I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of software. E-readers are what they say they are: readers. In other words, their users are using them to read documents. More than that, in general they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they get to the end of one page, they will next want to see the next page. And the only sense of page is as much as fills the screen of the display device. Word processors are quite different. In general, they are still fixated on printing the final document: the page size is the format of the eventual supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not usually) the size and format of the screen used for display. People usually choose settings that display less than a printed page of a document; if you were looking at such a screenful and then moved down a full page, you would unhelpfully have missed part of the text. But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing, not reading. If you are editing at one point in a document and you now need to move down to a point currently off your screen image, it is not at all obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move to a following page. It is much more likely that you would want to be able to see some part of the document further down but whilst also still seeing the part on which you had just been working. The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on screen but only from hard copy. It is interesting that software has been moving towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather slowly. Microsoft Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a slide show, in which case it opens for any recipient as for display, not for further editing. Microsoft Word has a reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not necessarily in the original layout - and in which your page down function works as you want. There is also a freeware Word Viewer available from Microsoft, intended for users without Microsoft Word installed. Again, since this is a reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests by moving down a screenful. Oh, and try opening a read-only file with LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat page down differently and move down (almost) a screenful. Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit reading mode for use in reading, not editing, documents? Possibly. Meanwhile, if you want something close to this behaviour in Writer, here's your workaround: just click the Edit File button in the Standard toolbar to toggle on this behaviour. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
Brian Barker wrote: I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of software. Page Up Page Down go back to the days of dumb terminals connected to a mainframe or minicomputer and a page referred to a full screen of data. Back in the late '70s early '80s I used to support some terminals connected to a Data General Nova minicomputer, where all the editing was done on the Nova. About the only editing you could do directly on the terminal was inserting deleting characters. The page keys would move the display through the document, with only a small amount of overlap, that is with a Page Down, the bottom line on the old screen would become the top line on the new. The reverse occurred with Page Up. There was no mouse either, just cursor keys, though another system I worked on used a joy stick. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
Hi :) Oh wow yeah. Those green screens where you could see the individual dots making up the screen. The strange greeness a tunnel through to far away places. Regards from Tom :) From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 16:05 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors Brian Barker wrote: I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of software. Page Up Page Down go back to the days of dumb terminals connected to a mainframe or minicomputer and a page referred to a full screen of data. Back in the late '70s early '80s I used to support some terminals connected to a Data General Nova minicomputer, where all the editing was done on the Nova. About the only editing you could do directly on the terminal was inserting deleting characters. The page keys would move the display through the document, with only a small amount of overlap, that is with a Page Down, the bottom line on the old screen would become the top line on the new. The reverse occurred with Page Up. There was no mouse either, just cursor keys, though another system I worked on used a joy stick. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
Hi :) The button that worries me is the Windows key with the MS logo on it. Are the police likely to knock down my door now that i have painted over it with a rather bad copy of the Ubuntu logo? Also why does Ubuntu store sell a keyboard with the Windows logo on that key?!! Regards from Tom :) From: Eric Beversluis ebe...@researchintegration.org To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:50 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors But the issue is now what it's called. The problem is that it doesn't screen down consistently, giving a full new screen save for a consistent one- or two-line overlap at the top. On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 15:25 +, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, the button probably should say Screen down instead of page down for most uses of the button and only say Page down for those rare cases where it really does mean a page. Regards from Tom :) PS blimey a short answer for once!! lol From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote: Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort. Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor. I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of software. E-readers are what they say they are: readers. In other words, their users are using them to read documents. More than that, in general they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they get to the end of one page, they will next want to see the next page. And the only sense of page is as much as fills the screen of the display device. Word processors are quite different. In general, they are still fixated on printing the final document: the page size is the format of the eventual supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not usually) the size and format of the screen used for display. People usually choose settings that display less than a printed page of a document; if you were looking at such a screenful and then moved down a full page, you would unhelpfully have missed part of the text. But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing, not reading. If you are editing at one point in a document and you now need to move down to a point currently off your screen image, it is not at all obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move to a following page. It is much more likely that you would want to be able to see some part of the document further down but whilst also still seeing the part on which you had just been working. The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on screen but only from hard copy. It is interesting that software has been moving towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather slowly. Microsoft Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a slide show, in which case it opens for any recipient as for display, not for further editing. Microsoft Word has a reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not necessarily in the original layout - and in which your page down function works as you want. There is also a freeware Word Viewer available from Microsoft, intended for users without Microsoft Word installed. Again, since this is a reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests by moving down a screenful. Oh, and try opening a read-only file with LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat page down differently and move down (almost) a screenful. Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit reading mode for use in reading, not editing, documents? Possibly. Meanwhile, if you want something close to this behaviour in Writer, here's your workaround: just click the Edit File button in the Standard toolbar to toggle on this behaviour. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list
[libreoffice-users] Moving Templates from 3.5.5 to 4.0
Windows XP, SP3 I created numerous templates in LO 3.5.5. I created the letter/template and inserted input fields that would stop and ask the user to input the appropriate data. Worked real well in LO 3.5.5. We are hoping to upgrade to version 4.0.0.3, but when we try to copy or import the templates, they don't stop at the input fields to prompt the user to input the data. We have tried to retype the letters/templates, inserting input fields, to no avail. Is there a way to get the template to stop and prompt the user for each input box? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Moving-Templates-from-3-5-5-to-4-0-tp4037782.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
An interesting point. Perhaps there ought to be a mode switch between Next top of page and Proportional when using Page Up/Down keys. I can't remember the last time I used my Insert key to change its mode. Perhaps it is time to make Insert a mode switch for Delete, Home, End and Page Up/Down. After all, we've got Control, Alt and Win/Apple Whatever special keys. What's one more in the group. Alas, I digress On 2/15/2013 9:35 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote: Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort. Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor. Thanks. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells
On 2/15/2013 10:33 AM, jomali wrote:
I've been following this thread and wondering what a use case would be for
subdividing cells.
I own a breeding kennel. I created a table to keep track of
medication administration
col A: date
col B: dog 1 name, col title being the medication
but when I got to col C I needed to put in 3 dog names, with the
col title being the medication
I also use a winding for a checkbox.
It sure would have been nice to be able to subdivide col C
horizontally. The only way I could do it was to put in the first
box and the first dog's name and then space until it forced a
wrap and put in the second and again for the third. Of course it
all falls apart if I change the col width.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells
Hi :)
Ahh, there was something about
Ctrl Enter
inside a cell makes an extra newline inside the cell itself. It doesn't
sub-divide the cell but does just give you a newline in there.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: bill will...@techservsys.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:29
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells
On 2/15/2013 10:33 AM, jomali wrote:
I've been following this thread and wondering what a use case would be for
subdividing cells.
I own a breeding kennel. I created a table to keep track of medication
administration
col A: date
col B: dog 1 name, col title being the medication
but when I got to col C I needed to put in 3 dog names, with the col title
being the medication
I also use a winding for a checkbox.
It sure would have been nice to be able to subdivide col C horizontally. The
only way I could do it was to put in the first box and the first dog's name
and then space until it forced a wrap and put in the second and again for the
third. Of course it all falls apart if I change the col width.
-- Bill Drescher
william {at} TechServSys {dot} com
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
On 2013-02-15 21:01, Felmon Davis wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Perhaps Moodle? I haven't looked into Moodle but keep meaning to. It's supposedly good for higher education but it might be more about just tutors and lecturers being able to place documents and text and stuff in an attractive layout that's easy for students to just read. I'm not sure how interactive it can be. Regards from Tom :) we have 'moodle' (for some reason our ITS calls it 'nexus') and I used to use it when it first came out. I have looked to see if this is built in and it probably is, or they could activate it, but I haven't found it yet; I should just ask and I might settle for it but I don't like using moodle otherwise so that would be my only use for it -- it is a rather large canon for the little fly I want to swat. I am more partial to drupal but haven't yet found a utility for file uploading that was simple enough to configure in small snatches of time I have for it. it often seems to require installing this and that module, updating the whole she-bang and so on. I just don't have time for reconstructive surgery on my drupal site, not now at least and now would be a great time to have the upload utility. oh, well. pardon the off-off-topic; we should get back to the main off-topic or even on topic! F. I looked at Moodle a long time ago for a school application. I see on their site In Moodle, each user has a private files area for uploading and managing a set of files. Preventing access to Private files * To prevent all users having access to Private files, the administrator should disable (close the eye) of the repository in /SettingsSite administrationPluginsRepositoriesManage repositories./ * If only students are to be prevented from accessing private files (but teachers etc, allowed) then a new * role should be made and assigned system wide. See FAQ 6 in Repositories FAQ http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/Repositories_FAQ for more information. http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/Private_files Steve From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 6:55 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point? On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: On 13-02-14 02:05 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: this thread is off-topic but I'll take advantage of it before it's cut: I would like a solution where a) individuals could upload documents to me b) they wouldn't be able to see each other's documents (unless I allowed it) c) should be either linux-based or agnostic. OwnCloud. Wait for version 5 though (End of February): http://owncloud.org/ Cheers, Fabian thanks. this deserves more study but so far as I can see now, it doesn't suit my purpose. it allows me to access files from diverse places and devices. I can already do that on a server to which I have ssh and sshfs access. what I need is something where _others_ can upload their files for _me_ to access. think of students uploading papers for the teacher to grab. the students shouldn't see each other's work though they should see their own. (it would be great if they had permissions to modify and delete their own stuff but not essential; it is essential that Windows and Mac people can upload their files.) I'll study the owncloud page more but I'm not seeing these features so far. F. -- Felmon Davis What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite. -- Bertrand Russell, _Sceptical_Essays_, 1928 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells
On 02/15/2013 01:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Ahh, there was something about
Ctrl Enter
inside a cell makes an extra newline inside the cell itself. It doesn't
sub-divide the cell but does just give you a newline in there.
Regards from
Tom :)
CTRL + Enter inserts a new line within the cell
From: bill will...@techservsys.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:29
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells
On 2/15/2013 10:33 AM, jomali wrote:
I've been following this thread and wondering what a use case would be for
subdividing cells.
I own a breeding kennel. I created a table to keep track of medication
administration
col A: date
col B: dog 1 name, col title being the medication
but when I got to col C I needed to put in 3 dog names, with the col title
being the medication
I also use a winding for a checkbox.
It sure would have been nice to be able to subdivide col C horizontally. The
only way I could do it was to put in the first box and the first dog's name and
then space until it forced a wrap and put in the second and again for the
third. Of course it all falls apart if I change the col width.
-- Bill Drescher
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[libreoffice-users] MySQL-Connector
Hello, I know I have gone on about the native connector before. My situtation is like this at the moment: - it works like a charm on 4.0.0.3 running Debian-Wheezy - it neither works on Mint-Nadia or Windows-Vista (I know, I know -- I should upgrade THAT system!). The connector DID however work under Vista and LO 3.6.5. Unfortunately I really don't have the time to compile it myself... What are the plans in any case? Regards H.S. -- Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
I have been following this post as I also wanted to know about how to add SharePoint, not about which Cloud storage service is the best On Friday, 15 February 2013, Steve Edmonds wrote: On 2013-02-15 21:01, Felmon Davis wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Perhaps Moodle? I haven't looked into Moodle but keep meaning to. It's supposedly good for higher education but it might be more about just tutors and lecturers being able to place documents and text and stuff in an attractive layout that's easy for students to just read. I'm not sure how interactive it can be. Regards from Tom :) we have 'moodle' (for some reason our ITS calls it 'nexus') and I used to use it when it first came out. I have looked to see if this is built in and it probably is, or they could activate it, but I haven't found it yet; I should just ask and I might settle for it but I don't like using moodle otherwise so that would be my only use for it -- it is a rather large canon for the little fly I want to swat. I am more partial to drupal but haven't yet found a utility for file uploading that was simple enough to configure in small snatches of time I have for it. it often seems to require installing this and that module, updating the whole she-bang and so on. I just don't have time for reconstructive surgery on my drupal site, not now at least and now would be a great time to have the upload utility. oh, well. pardon the off-off-topic; we should get back to the main off-topic or even on topic! F. I looked at Moodle a long time ago for a school application. I see on their site In Moodle, each user has a private files area for uploading and managing a set of files. Preventing access to Private files * To prevent all users having access to Private files, the administrator should disable (close the eye) of the repository in /SettingsSite administrationPlugins**RepositoriesManage repositories./ * If only students are to be prevented from accessing private files (but teachers etc, allowed) then a new * role should be made and assigned system wide. See FAQ 6 in Repositories FAQ http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/**Repositories_FAQhttp://docs.moodle.org/22/en/Repositories_FAQ for more information. http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/**Private_fileshttp://docs.moodle.org/22/en/Private_files Steve __**__ From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 6:55 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point? On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: On 13-02-14 02:05 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: this thread is off-topic but I'll take advantage of it before it's cut: I would like a solution where a) individuals could upload documents to me b) they wouldn't be able to see each other's documents (unless I allowed it) c) should be either linux-based or agnostic. OwnCloud. Wait for version 5 though (End of February): http://owncloud.org/ Cheers, Fabian thanks. this deserves more study but so far as I can see now, it doesn't suit my purpose. it allows me to access files from diverse places and devices. I can already do that on a server to which I have ssh and sshfs access. what I need is something where _others_ can upload their files for _me_ to access. think of students uploading papers for the teacher to grab. the students shouldn't see each other's work though they should see their own. (it would be great if they had permissions to modify and delete their own stuff but not essential; it is essential that Windows and Mac people can upload their files.) I'll study the owncloud page more but I'm not seeing these features so far. F. -- Felmon Davis What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite. -- Bertrand Russell, _Sceptical_Essays_, 1928 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages
Re: [libreoffice-users] MySQL-Connector
On 02/15/2013 01:59 PM, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hello, I know I have gone on about the native connector before. My situtation is like this at the moment: - it works like a charm on 4.0.0.3 running Debian-Wheezy - it neither works on Mint-Nadia or Windows-Vista (I know, I know -- I should upgrade THAT system!). The connector DID however work under Vista and LO 3.6.5. Unfortunately I really don't have the time to compile it myself... What are the plans in any case? Regards H.S. One of the problems depends upon whether the OS is 32 bit or 64 bit. I have a tower that is 64 bit and a MacBook which uses 32 bit with both using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. The native connector works fine for 64 bit but does not work for the 32 bit. MySQL also has a JDBC driver on their website that works quite well for 32 bit Ubuntu. This has been the case since LO 3.5.7 if not before. (I download all of my LibreOffice files from the ODF website.) If I remember correctly, keeping the native connector current as new versions of LO required more time than the developer of the extension had available. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells
On 02/15/2013 01:29 PM, bill wrote: On 2/15/2013 10:33 AM, jomali wrote: I've been following this thread and wondering what a use case would be for subdividing cells. I own a breeding kennel. I created a table to keep track of medication administration col A: date col B: dog 1 name, col title being the medication but when I got to col C I needed to put in 3 dog names, with the col title being the medication I also use a winding for a checkbox. It sure would have been nice to be able to subdivide col C horizontally. The only way I could do it was to put in the first box and the first dog's name and then space until it forced a wrap and put in the second and again for the third. Of course it all falls apart if I change the col width. It sounds like a relational database is what you need to use instead of the spreadsheet. Then you would not have to split cells. In fact, you would not be limited in how many dogs you place in this column. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells
Jomali, I once used it to correct a goof on a cell merge operation when it was impractical to use undo. I was only creating a form, so I was not referencing any of these cells. The problem was that the subdivide required a lot of cleanup to get the cell boundaries aligned again. Messy, but better than starting over or using undo. Girvin Herr jomali wrote: I've been following this thread and wondering what a use case would be for subdividing cells. On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-02-14 9:19 AM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: At 08:50 14/02/2013 -0500, Nobody Noname wrote: ... but it is much more complicated than if there was the possibility to just subdivide a single cell into multiples... OK: suppose you divide cell Xn into four cells- two vertically and two horizontally. How do you now refer to the four new cells in formulae? Initially, until some method was developed that made sense, it could just be a limitation of split cells that you can't use them in formulas. And maybe it would have to stay that way. None of the times I wanted to be able to do this was it critical that I me able to use them in formulas. And which of the now four separate values gets used if you refer to plain cell Xn in a formula? Pick one (upper left, lower right, etc). Could even be a pref. Or, as above, make it unsupported, unless/until a method is developed for supporting it that makes sense. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
When I hit page down or up, it scrolls to the next page ;-) when I hit the up or down arrow key, it scrolls line by line ;-) On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Eric Beversluis ebe...@researchintegration.org wrote: Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort. Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor. Thanks. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 19:06 +, Kieran Peckett wrote: I have been following this post as I also wanted to know about how to add SharePoint, not about which Cloud storage service is the best Yes, you're thread got hi-jacked by the Microsoft-hate squad. Sadly it happens not infrequently. Please report back if you try out the CMIS support, there is at least me who is interested in how it goes; and obviously enough people to get it implemented in the first place. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
but the computer's page is different from the printed page ;-) BTW - Brian, I think your explanation was very good. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Yes, the button probably should say Screen down instead of page down for most uses of the button and only say Page down for those rare cases where it really does mean a page. Regards from Tom :) PS blimey a short answer for once!! lol From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote: Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort. Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor. I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of software. E-readers are what they say they are: readers. In other words, their users are using them to read documents. More than that, in general they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they get to the end of one page, they will next want to see the next page. And the only sense of page is as much as fills the screen of the display device. Word processors are quite different. In general, they are still fixated on printing the final document: the page size is the format of the eventual supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not usually) the size and format of the screen used for display. People usually choose settings that display less than a printed page of a document; if you were looking at such a screenful and then moved down a full page, you would unhelpfully have missed part of the text. But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing, not reading. If you are editing at one point in a document and you now need to move down to a point currently off your screen image, it is not at all obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move to a following page. It is much more likely that you would want to be able to see some part of the document further down but whilst also still seeing the part on which you had just been working. The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on screen but only from hard copy. It is interesting that software has been moving towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather slowly. Microsoft Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a slide show, in which case it opens for any recipient as for display, not for further editing. Microsoft Word has a reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not necessarily in the original layout - and in which your page down function works as you want. There is also a freeware Word Viewer available from Microsoft, intended for users without Microsoft Word installed. Again, since this is a reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests by moving down a screenful. Oh, and try opening a read-only file with LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat page down differently and move down (almost) a screenful. Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit reading mode for use in reading, not editing, documents? Possibly. Meanwhile, if you want something close to this behaviour in Writer, here's your workaround: just click the Edit File button in the Standard toolbar to toggle on this behaviour. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
Whew, I've never touched that key; will alarms sirens go off when it's touched ;-) On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) The button that worries me is the Windows key with the MS logo on it. Are the police likely to knock down my door now that i have painted over it with a rather bad copy of the Ubuntu logo? Also why does Ubuntu store sell a keyboard with the Windows logo on that key?!! Regards from Tom :) From: Eric Beversluis ebe...@researchintegration.org To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:50 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors But the issue is now what it's called. The problem is that it doesn't screen down consistently, giving a full new screen save for a consistent one- or two-line overlap at the top. On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 15:25 +, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, the button probably should say Screen down instead of page down for most uses of the button and only say Page down for those rare cases where it really does mean a page. Regards from Tom :) PS blimey a short answer for once!! lol From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote: Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort. Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor. I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of software. E-readers are what they say they are: readers. In other words, their users are using them to read documents. More than that, in general they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they get to the end of one page, they will next want to see the next page. And the only sense of page is as much as fills the screen of the display device. Word processors are quite different. In general, they are still fixated on printing the final document: the page size is the format of the eventual supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not usually) the size and format of the screen used for display. People usually choose settings that display less than a printed page of a document; if you were looking at such a screenful and then moved down a full page, you would unhelpfully have missed part of the text. But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing, not reading. If you are editing at one point in a document and you now need to move down to a point currently off your screen image, it is not at all obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move to a following page. It is much more likely that you would want to be able to see some part of the document further down but whilst also still seeing the part on which you had just been working. The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on screen but only from hard copy. It is interesting that software has been moving towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather slowly. Microsoft Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a slide show, in which case it opens for any recipient as for display, not for further editing. Microsoft Word has a reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not necessarily in the original layout - and in which your page down function works as you want. There is also a freeware Word Viewer available from Microsoft, intended for users without Microsoft Word installed. Again, since this is a reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests by moving down a screenful. Oh, and try opening a read-only file with LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat page down differently and move down (almost) a screenful. Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit reading mode for use in reading, not editing, documents? Possibly. Meanwhile, if you want something close to this behaviour in Writer, here's your workaround: just click the Edit File button in the Standard toolbar to toggle on this behaviour. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
ooh, how I dislike that INS key ... I tend to hit that rather than the DEL key many times; then I'll start typing only to find I'm erasing ;-( Whoever decided to place that INS key must not have been thinking; doesn't any typist know to click on the space-bar to insert letters, ... ;-) Oh, right, this is a computer not a 'glorified typewriter' ;-) On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky p_mirow...@bentaxna.comwrote: An interesting point. Perhaps there ought to be a mode switch between Next top of page and Proportional when using Page Up/Down keys. I can't remember the last time I used my Insert key to change its mode. Perhaps it is time to make Insert a mode switch for Delete, Home, End and Page Up/Down. After all, we've got Control, Alt and Win/Apple Whatever special keys. What's one more in the group. Alas, I digress On 2/15/2013 9:35 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote: Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort. Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor. Thanks. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
Strange thing: I can not find an INS key on my MacBook. Its delete key acts like the back space key... --Dan On 02/15/2013 04:05 PM, anne-ology wrote: ooh, how I dislike that INS key ... I tend to hit that rather than the DEL key many times; then I'll start typing only to find I'm erasing ;-( Whoever decided to place that INS key must not have been thinking; doesn't any typist know to click on the space-bar to insert letters, ... ;-) Oh, right, this is a computer not a 'glorified typewriter' ;-) On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky p_mirow...@bentaxna.comwrote: An interesting point. Perhaps there ought to be a mode switch between Next top of page and Proportional when using Page Up/Down keys. I can't remember the last time I used my Insert key to change its mode. Perhaps it is time to make Insert a mode switch for Delete, Home, End and Page Up/Down. After all, we've got Control, Alt and Win/Apple Whatever special keys. What's one more in the group. Alas, I digress On 2/15/2013 9:35 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote: Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort. Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor. Thanks. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
I agree. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, IBBoard wrote: Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a business, that is unacceptable - and rightly so, since it means important documents go outside your perimeter. Instead they use a document management system (like Sharepoint or Alfresco) that they install and manage centrally. Unlike a wiki, a document management system gives full, normal document management. Unlike a CMS it is all about documents, and unlike a LAN share it does versioning and workflow. Basically, Sharepoint is something for businesses. A normal user will never need it. I don't understand the relation between these propositions: a) Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a business, that is unacceptable... b) Basically, Sharepoint is something for businesses. is the point that it is better for a business that Microsoft hold their documents than that Busybox does? just seeking clarification. (I have Busybox but don't use it for a number of reasons; I am not acquainted enough with Sharepoint.) F. On Feb 14, 2013 5:28 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: Content Management System ;-) ... LAN ;-) ... a wiki ;-) ??? as to these - I haven't a clue; I'll continue to stick with the KISs method ;-) But if we each sign up to use DropBox, we can each end up with 6Gb of free space to use as we wish in sharing documents - and MsFt does not have any control over this :-) On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Ahh, so is it a sort of Content Management System that can be used to hold documents centrally, like putting them on a shared folder on a Lan so that everyone can work on the same file instead of each generating different copies and then trying to compare all the different ones to incorporate all the different changes? Sort of like a wiki? Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com *To:* Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Thursday, 14 February 2013, 16:53 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point? Just 'searched' and found this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=s12Jb5Z2xaEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s12Jb5Z2xaE Seems somewhat silly since we could all benefit if we were to use DropBox - http://db.tt/v1nUSr8M On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Has anyone managed to get MS Sharepoint working with 4.0.0? Apparently it's one of the features that are supposed to be in the 4.0.0 although i have no idea what SharePoint is nor why anyone would use it. According to the comments under this article http://www.webupd8.org/2013/**02/libreoffice-40-available-** for-download.htmlhttp://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/libreoffice-40-available-for-download.html Somewhere about 1/4 up from the bottom Алексей Бродкин • 6 days ago It seems like some of highlighted options are missing from this release. 1. Unity/Global menu integration - at least I cannot see it in action or any toggle in setting 2. SharePoint integration. From here http://tekonorma.fr/WPblogTN/** 2. http://tekonorma.fr/WPblogTN/2... I learnt that to have this option one needs to instal a corresponding plug-in from here http://extensions.libreoffice.**... and you may see this link leads to This page does not seem to exist... - seems like due to legal issue plugin was removed. Sure enough the link didn't work so i got to the Extensions site another way but a quick search to find sharepoint or share point didn't reveal any relevant Extensions. Regards from Tom :) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
The files in Dropbox are encryptable and only accessable by those who have that particular URL. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:40 PM, IBBoard ibbo...@gmail.com wrote: Sharepoint is a self-hosted solution. You are relying on a Microsoft product, but the documents are never handed over to Microsoft and none of the files never leave your network. It isn't perfect, but is generally fairly secure (as secure as your networks, anyway) and companies can use it. Dropbox is an unencrypted cloud solution. Once it is on the Dropbox severs then any of the Dropbox staff /could/ read it. Or it could be copied or otherwise lost by people who aren't your employees. Or it could be leaked as party of a wider Dropbox hack/leak. Or it could be retrieved by a foreign government (USA, I think) without your knowledge. Generally, it is out of your corporate network perimeter and hence out of your control. In general, that is *not* a good thing. That's not to say people can't use Dropbox. If you don't value your files (or have some reason to trust that nothing will happen to your unencrypted files in an unknown data centre or data centres) then that might be fine, but for a company that has to protect its ideas and business secrets then an internally hosted solution is the only sensible option, even if it is from Microsoft. On Feb 14, 2013 6:21 PM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, IBBoard wrote: Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a business, that is unacceptable - and rightly so, since it means important documents go outside your perimeter. Instead they use a document management system (like Sharepoint or Alfresco) that they install and manage centrally. Unlike a wiki, a document management system gives full, normal document management. Unlike a CMS it is all about documents, and unlike a LAN share it does versioning and workflow. Basically, Sharepoint is something for businesses. A normal user will never need it. I don't understand the relation between these propositions: a) Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a business, that is unacceptable... b) Basically, Sharepoint is something for businesses. is the point that it is better for a business that Microsoft hold their documents than that Busybox does? just seeking clarification. (I have Busybox but don't use it for a number of reasons; I am not acquainted enough with Sharepoint.) F. On Feb 14, 2013 5:28 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: Content Management System ;-) ... LAN ;-) ... a wiki ;-) ??? as to these - I haven't a clue; I'll continue to stick with the KISs method ;-) But if we each sign up to use DropBox, we can each end up with 6Gb of free space to use as we wish in sharing documents - and MsFt does not have any control over this :-) On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Ahh, so is it a sort of Content Management System that can be used to hold documents centrally, like putting them on a shared folder on a Lan so that everyone can work on the same file instead of each generating different copies and then trying to compare all the different ones to incorporate all the different changes? Sort of like a wiki? Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com *To:* Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Thursday, 14 February 2013, 16:53 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point? Just 'searched' and found this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=s12Jb5Z2xaE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s12Jb5Z2xaE Seems somewhat silly since we could all benefit if we were to use DropBox - http://db.tt/v1nUSr8M On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Has anyone managed to get MS Sharepoint working with 4.0.0? Apparently it's one of the features that are supposed to be in the 4.0.0 although i have no idea what SharePoint is nor why anyone would use it. According to the comments under this article http://www.webupd8.org/2013/**02/libreoffice-40-available-** for-download.html http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/libreoffice-40-available-for-download.html Somewhere about 1/4 up from the bottom Алексей Бродкин • 6 days ago It seems like some of highlighted options are missing from this release. 1. Unity/Global menu integration - at least I cannot see it in action or any toggle in setting 2. SharePoint integration. From here http://tekonorma.fr/WPblogTN/** 2. http://tekonorma.fr/WPblogTN/2... I learnt that to have this option one needs to instal a corresponding plug-in
Re: [libreoffice-users] MySQL-Connector
Hi :) Is there a problem with running different versions on different OSes? It should be fine t do that shouldn't it? Regards from Tom :) From: Heinrich Stoellinger hc.stoellin...@aon.at To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:59 Subject: [libreoffice-users] MySQL-Connector Hello, I know I have gone on about the native connector before. My situtation is like this at the moment: - it works like a charm on 4.0.0.3 running Debian-Wheezy - it neither works on Mint-Nadia or Windows-Vista (I know, I know -- I should upgrade THAT system!). The connector DID however work under Vista and LO 3.6.5. Unfortunately I really don't have the time to compile it myself... What are the plans in any case? Regards H.S. --Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/ --For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 14:49 -0600, anne-ology wrote: but the computer's page is different from the printed page ;-) You're missing the point, which is that the scrolling is not consistent in presenting a new set of lines except for a one or two line overlap with the previous set of lines. Btw, the kind of behavior I like does seem to happen on gedit and Evolution. So I think it's something in the way the word processor is designed to interact with the PgDn button. BTW - Brian, I think your explanation was very good. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Yes, the button probably should say Screen down instead of page down for most uses of the button and only say Page down for those rare cases where it really does mean a page. Regards from Tom :) PS blimey a short answer for once!! lol From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote: Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort. Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor. I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of software. E-readers are what they say they are: readers. In other words, their users are using them to read documents. More than that, in general they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they get to the end of one page, they will next want to see the next page. And the only sense of page is as much as fills the screen of the display device. Word processors are quite different. In general, they are still fixated on printing the final document: the page size is the format of the eventual supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not usually) the size and format of the screen used for display. People usually choose settings that display less than a printed page of a document; if you were looking at such a screenful and then moved down a full page, you would unhelpfully have missed part of the text. But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing, not reading. If you are editing at one point in a document and you now need to move down to a point currently off your screen image, it is not at all obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move to a following page. It is much more likely that you would want to be able to see some part of the document further down but whilst also still seeing the part on which you had just been working. The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on screen but only from hard copy. It is interesting that software has been moving towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather slowly. Microsoft Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a slide show, in which case it opens for any recipient as for display, not for further editing. Microsoft Word has a reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not necessarily in the original layout - and in which your page down function works as you want. There is also a freeware Word Viewer available from Microsoft, intended for users without Microsoft Word installed. Again, since this is a reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests by moving down a screenful. Oh, and try opening a read-only file with LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat page down differently and move down (almost) a screenful. Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit reading mode for use in reading, not editing, documents? Possibly. Meanwhile, if you want something close to this behaviour in Writer, here's your workaround: just click the Edit File button in the Standard toolbar to toggle on this behaviour. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells
On 2/15/2013 1:47 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
On 02/15/2013 01:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Ahh, there was something about
Ctrl Enter
inside a cell makes an extra newline inside the cell itself.
It doesn't sub-divide the cell but does just give you a
newline in there.
Regards from
Tom :)
CTRL + Enter inserts a new line within the cell
That is terrific - thanks
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[libreoffice-users] page down in word processors - find next
I am keeping the same thread as it is closely related.
The one thing that I really don't like is that as soon as you do
a search the page down button becomes continue search forward
and the page up becomes continue search backwards. That is
fine while you are searching, but how does one return it to page
up and page down ?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors - find next
Le 15/02/2013 22:59, bill a écrit : I am keeping the same thread as it is closely related. The one thing that I really don't like is that as soon as you do a search the page down button becomes continue search forward and the page up becomes continue search backwards. That is fine while you are searching, but how does one return it to page up and page down ? You'll notice that then the page buttons are changing colours: by default, they turn blue in search mode while they are black in scroll mode. To get back from the search mode to the scroll mode, just click the center button (whatitsname?) and select the page icon. HTH, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors - find next
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From: bill will...@techservsys.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:59:03 -0500
I am keeping the same thread as it is closely related. The one thing
that I really don't like is that as soon as you do a search the page
down button becomes continue search forward and the page up becomes
continue search backwards. That is fine while you are searching,
but how does one return it to page up and page down ?
--Bill Drescher william {at} TechServSys {dot} com
Which version of LO are you using? I would really like to have that
facility.
Maybe the 'Esc' key would return the paging key to normal operation.
Dave
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
On 02/13/2013 09:01 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Stephen, On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 07:59 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: Out of interest do you have a bug or two you want to hack on there ? the Pivot table code is in: sc/source/ui/dbgui/dpgroupdlg.cxx One of the issues I have with pivot tables in calc is that calc won't allow input variables to be renamed at pivot table creation time, it only allows renaming variables after table creation by editing the data in the header cells. Calc also doesn't allow renaming of variables in the page section of the pivot table. Calc doesn't allow the specification of formats for the variables being added at creation time, or at a later date via the menus as excel does, Calc only provides the ability to do it after creation of the table by applying formats to the cells in the table, hence if cells are re-arranged the formatting gets out of whack, and if the source data changes such that more rows are added on refresh, the additional rows won't have the format applied. Oh - interesting. So the formats thing sounds like a useful core feature you'd want to add to the pivot rendering; and the other bits are UI features. Certainly you'd be most welcome to work on this - Kohei is prolly the best contact here. The first thing to do is to get a build: http://www.libreoffice.org/developers-2/ When you have a working build of master, then we can get going with some more code reading pointers, How does that sound ? in general it's great to include the developers list too (no subscription required) just CC libreoffice-dev libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org All the best, Michael. Hi Michael, That sounds great. I will probably need help when writing and designing the solution, as having not looked at the source code before I'm not sure how easy it will be to write it platform independent. Also, what I'm not sure about, which is more critical, is that if implement the functionality in a similar way to excel, am I breaching Microsoft copywrite and patents? regards, Steve -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors - find next
Hi :) ???!?!!?!?? Ahh. You were talking about on-screen buttons? The ones under the vertical scroll bar? Middle one is called Navigation. I was talking about keyboard buttons. Now i'm not sure what anyone else was talking about. It's 4am though so i might still be dreaming or having a nightmare or something. I thought i understood but now i'm flummoxed. Regards form Tom :) From: Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 22:24 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors - find next Le 15/02/2013 22:59, bill a écrit : I am keeping the same thread as it is closely related. The one thing that I really don't like is that as soon as you do a search the page down button becomes continue search forward and the page up becomes continue search backwards. That is fine while you are searching, but how does one return it to page up and page down ? You'll notice that then the page buttons are changing colours: by default, they turn blue in search mode while they are black in scroll mode. To get back from the search mode to the scroll mode, just click the center button (whatitsname?) and select the page icon. HTH, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Final proof-reading/beta-testing of Getting Started Guide v4.0
Hi :) The new Getting Started Guide is nearly ready! You can have a sneak preview at http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/published-lo-4.0/gs4.0-full-book-pdf/view Please let us know if anything appears to be wrong. The guide will appear on the proper wiki in a couple of days and then in the Lulu bookstore and maybe on the official LibreOffice website a few days after that. Sorry i can't give precise release dates. Errr, please noticethat i have heavily edited Jean's email to hopefully make more sense to the Users List. The original was written for the Docs Team. Normally i would dare edit other people's post in lists but be aware that it's always possible. Regards from Tom :) From: Jean Weber hidden [but i edited her email a bit] To: documentat...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2013, 3:21 Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started v4.0 guide ready for proofing A PDF of the full book is now on the ODFAuthors website. You do not need a login to get to it and take a copy. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/published-lo-4.0/gs4.0-full-book-pdf/view It is now time for final checking of the book, looking for glaring errors, by which I mean things like this: * Missing figures (blank spaces where figures should be) * Bad page breaks (for example, big gaps at bottom of a page) Please let the docs list (or this list) know if you spot anything a bit wrong. You are also welcome to suggest improvements etc, but they will be put on the list for a later edition of the book, not incorporated into this one. This is a good job for anyone, including total newcomers to the project. You don't need to know anything about the program or have good English skills; all you need is to be able to pay attention and notice things like those listed above. If you are skilled enough to know what these following 2 things mean then please join the docs team (if you haven't already), and/or just let us know if there are problems with them * Missing x-refs (message similar to Error: reference not found) * Wrong figure x-refs (pointing to the wrong figure) -- the most common problem More than one person can check the file at the same time. People see different things. Or you can start at the last chapter and work forward, or in the middle... anything to get all chapters looked at by someone in addition to me. Thanks in advance! I will also incorporate any corrections to factual errors that anyone finds in the chapter files. --Jean -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells
Hi :)
Oh no! Was that what you were looking for from the start? I thought you were
looking for soemthing a lot more complicated so it didn't occur to me. I only
learned of it recently and haven't used it myself yet.
Sorry chap!
Regards from
Tom :)
From: bill will...@techservsys.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 21:52
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells
On 2/15/2013 1:47 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
On 02/15/2013 01:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Ahh, there was something about
Ctrl Enter
inside a cell makes an extra newline inside the cell itself. It doesn't
sub-divide the cell but does just give you a newline in there.
Regards from
Tom :)
CTRL + Enter inserts a new line within the cell
That is terrific - thanks
-- Bill Drescher
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[libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL-Connector
On 02/15/2013 10:24 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Tom, Is there a problem with running different versions on different OSes? It should be fine t do that shouldn't it? Regards from Tom :) Please, please, pretty please, sometimes I really do get the impression you have not read anything we have exchanged in the past on this topic. On Unix/Linux, and for LibreOffice, the native connector is dependent on : - the OS version ; - the bit architecture ; - the version of libmysqlclient ; - the version of libmysqlcppconn ; - the version of LO. This means that if I build a mysql connector on say PCBSD 9.1, it will not work on Ubuntu, Suse, Redhat or Debian. Even if I build a 32bit version of the connector on a Suse 32bit OS, the functionality on another version of that same OS is not guaranteed if the versions of libmysqlclient or libmysqlcppconn are different between the two versions, notwithstanding the fact that it will not work at all on a 64bit Suse OS (different architectures). So, the situation today is that for each Linux/Unix OS, and each major version of that OS, the connector has to be built separately. In addition to these niceties, the build of the connector regularly gets screwed by devs changing things for one OS (mostly Linux), without giving a *expletive* about the other OSes. This is currently the case at least for Mac OSX, thanks to recent changes in the gbuild process for mysqlc and mysqlcppconn. As I don't build on Windows (and do not intend to), I really don't know what the situation is there currently. The situation over at ApacheOO is different. There, the connector is built by another volunteer, using the SDK, i.e. in theory, it produces an OS version agnostic mysql connector. However, the differences in code trees between LO and AOO now mean that the connector for AOO no longer works in LO4, or at least, that is what Heinrich has reported (and Robert too, I believe). Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
