Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to insert a row between current fields?
Dear Alex: The SQL command works!!! Thank you so much! However, I really hope the GUI of Base works as flexible as Calc. Maybe developers would make it someday. Regards, Minhsien0330 2013/5/31, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com: Le 31/05/13 02:42, minhsien0330 a écrit : Hi, Dear all: When editing field names in Design View in Libreoffice Base, I cannot insert a new row between current fields. If I click the Insert Rows, Base will add a new row at the end of this table, but not the current site. Does Base not support insert a new field that just like Calc does? Thanks. No. Base is, well, a database program. Calc is...a spreadsheet, not a database program. The two are constructed differently, behave differently and have different code, which is as it should be. However, I would agree with you that if the user is provided a user interface which leads the user to believe that he/she can do such a things as graphically insert a new field definition, then that functionality should actually work. As you have noticed from your attempts, it does not. This is one of the older limitations of Base, that has been around for a very long time. The solution to your problem is to use a SQL command via the Tools SQL menu : http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=70021 If this doesn't work in the version of LibreOffice you are using, then this is a bug, because with the post above, it worked in OpenOffice.org back in 2008. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice API
On 01-06-2013 00:12, Bill Greenfield wrote: Where can I find information about the Methods and Properties of LibreOffice API? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-API-tp4059011.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. http://api.libreoffice.org/ or http://lmgtfy.com/?q=libreoffice+apil=1 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question
Hi : I do like the way this list helps people with various different issues on different OSes. Even with problems that are not directly related to LibreOffice. LibreOffice is cross-platform and using it is a good step in the process of migrating from 1 platform to another. That way you have familiar tools on the new platform and some idea of how to keep working without needing so much time out for re-training. Many thanks to Jomali Regards from Tom :) From: jomali jomali3...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013, 21:51 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Just in case anyone thought i was sounding unusually knowledgeable (and about Macs!) all my stuff was in the snipped out bit. It was all Alex and Ken there. I have just had a few days (1hour/day) on a Macbook but it's the first time i have used Mac in about a decade. Wow though! It was really nice and smooth! It had some features that i really like GnuLinux for, such as multiple workspaces/virtual screens. Click on Mission Control, move cursor to the right of the top of the screen, click the + sign. Voila - new virtual screen/workspace. Some things were a bit upside down. When you want to move a page up the screen to go on to the next page the gesture is to slide your fingers up. Hmmm, now i write that it seems more logical than the Windows way! I'm not likely to buy one but it's really nice to use. Regards from Tom :) snip -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Array formulas: maximum value – two conditions
On 31/05/2013 at 22:10, Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote:
I obviously misunderstood the whole concept, so how is it supposed to be
done?
Like that:
{=MAX((C1:C1=P3)*(YEAR(D1:D1)=YEAR(TODAY()))*E1:E1)}
(C1:C1=P3) will act like IF statement. It will return 1 elements array
containing 1 (if cell matches P3) or 0 (otherwise).
The same goes to second statement, which compares years with current year.
We do not do anything to last column values.
This formula will evaluate to multiplication of arrays containing 0, 1 and
original numbers. If both conditions are true, it will not change value in E
column. If at least one condition is not true, it will effectively zero entire
row.
Then these numbers (original E values and zeroes) are fed to MAX function.
BUT array formulas on large datasets are far from being efficient. Using
database function might be better idea (basically, database functions are as
fast as array formulas or faster than them).
The basics of database functions are:
- your range of data must be structured; first row is considered header (there
should be text briefly describing content of column)
- you must repeat your header in range containing conditions. Each column must
be present at least once.
- in condition range, cells in one row represents conjunction
- in condition range, each row represents alternative
The tricky part here is, your date column contains not only year, but also
month and day. So you can't really put 2013 into criteria range and call it
a day. You must search for dates between 1.1.2013 and 31.12.2013.
If your date column contains cells with date type, then they are internally
represented by number of days since 30 December 1899. So we can get around the
issue with DATEVALUE.
Explaining what to put where would take some time, so I put spreadsheet
online. You can download it here:
http://minio.komunikatory.pl/pliki/array-and-dmax.ods
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Best regards
Mirosław Zalewski
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice API
2013/6/1 Luuk luu...@gmail.com: On 01-06-2013 00:12, Bill Greenfield wrote: Where can I find information about the Methods and Properties of LibreOffice API? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-API-tp4059011.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. http://api.libreoffice.org/ or http://lmgtfy.com/?q=libreoffice+apil=1 And more than that, the xray plugin might help you a bit. Johnny Rosenberg -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question
We try our best to help as much as we can, but sometimes those of us who are reading these lists do not have an answer. Yes, we talk about other issues than LibreOffice on some of these lists, but it should not be the main reasons to come and read them. For the past few weeks, the questions I see are not something I could help with. At least I was not sure of an answer and let others put in their two cents worth. Yes, having cross-platform packages really are nice. I run Ubuntu Linux most of the time, but I do need to use Windows once in a while due some non-cross-platform packages. So, when I am using Windows on a laptop [not my main desktop since it is Ubuntu only] then I do not need to have a different package for my office suite needs. That is really one of the best features of using LibreOffice - the cross-platform usability. Yes, LibreOffice is not like many packages, since it is was designed to be used on many different platforms, and not just the ones listed. Our developers are working hard to make LibreOffice work on as many platforms as they can. They are working on making tablet versions, other than Windows OS tablet-like, touch screen, laptop devices. An Android version is being worked on, but due to the limits of program space and other limitations, that LibreOffice will not be as fully functional as the Windows, Mac OS X, and various other Linux-based systems. Also, there are tools to help make our office suite work better with certain platforms. I use a 4 core Ubuntu desktop. It was a better than middle of the road system when I bought it. Right now, there is a emerging market for LibreOffice using the Raspberry Pi system that has some different Linux OS options. That system's developers seem to have ported LibreOffice to work the best they can to their system. The figures I have heard from a web cast is they have reached the million unit mark. Sure, not all of these usints will be running LibreOffice, but are being used for so many other options than a traditional computer, but the whole idea was that LibreOffice currently the only office suite that was ported to Raspberry Pi. People are able to get LibreOffice to work on many more systems than is listed on our download site. The re-training aspect is the one key aspect for moving from MSO to LibreOffice. For that, many people I have talked to do not want to switch. They will keep on using other packages they are use to using instead of taking the short amount of time to see how easy LibreOffice is in getting use to. I switched to Linux as my main system in 2009, before LO came in to being, so I had only one choice, OpenOffice.org. Since LibreOffice is the best fork of that older package, I was able to easily switch. Yes, I am guilty of the suing the same package that I am use to using issue/excuse. I have a preferred paid for graphics package that has not ported to any other system. It is a Win-only package. Yes, I am learning GIMP for my Linux-based systems, but after using a package for over 10 to 15 years, it is hard to switch and re-trin myself to be able to use a different package as well as the one I prefer to use. I stopped getting MSO at the 2003 mark. One reason was the fact that MSO changed everything to my view back them when MSO '07 came out. I kept using it till I had a real big push to start using a different package. Now, I struggle with someone else's system when they only have MSO '07 'or '10 installed. I am now use to using LibreOffice now. As for the multi-workplace option[s] in a Linux based system [yes OS X is sort of Linux based], I do not really use them. I do know of others who really need to use them. I know of a few Windows user who would love to be able to have that option. So to answer the question of no answers to my question, like I stated before, sometimes we do not have a solution to the issue and we just do not reply to the question and say that. That seems to be a fact of life, in the technology world. YET, sometimes we might have enough idea[s] to try to work with the user and figure out were the problem comes from and solve it in the trial-and-error method. Sometimes that is the only way. I had an issue with duplex printing on Ubuntu with some printers. The solution was not obvious to see. The check box solution was not even a part of the Window's version of Tools Option LibreOffice General dialog box. I needed to check the Use LibreOffice dialogs in the Print dialogs section. That was not an option available with the Windows version. Why did that simple check box option make the issue[s] go away on the printers that would not duplex directly from LibreOffice's printing system, no one knows. It is just something that corrected the problem using the lets see what that does trial-and-error method of figuring out a solution. That was many month ago for me, so the underlying issue[s]
Re: [libreoffice-users] Array formulas: maximum value – two conditions
2013/6/1 Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl:
On 31/05/2013 at 22:10, Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote:
I obviously misunderstood the whole concept, so how is it supposed to be
done?
Like that:
{=MAX((C1:C1=P3)*(YEAR(D1:D1)=YEAR(TODAY()))*E1:E1)}
(C1:C1=P3) will act like IF statement. It will return 1 elements array
containing 1 (if cell matches P3) or 0 (otherwise).
The same goes to second statement, which compares years with current year.
We do not do anything to last column values.
This formula will evaluate to multiplication of arrays containing 0, 1 and
original numbers. If both conditions are true, it will not change value in E
column. If at least one condition is not true, it will effectively zero entire
row.
Then these numbers (original E values and zeroes) are fed to MAX function.
BUT array formulas on large datasets are far from being efficient. Using
database function might be better idea (basically, database functions are as
fast as array formulas or faster than them).
The basics of database functions are:
- your range of data must be structured; first row is considered header (there
should be text briefly describing content of column)
- you must repeat your header in range containing conditions. Each column must
be present at least once.
- in condition range, cells in one row represents conjunction
- in condition range, each row represents alternative
The tricky part here is, your date column contains not only year, but also
month and day. So you can't really put 2013 into criteria range and call it
a day. You must search for dates between 1.1.2013 and 31.12.2013.
If your date column contains cells with date type, then they are internally
represented by number of days since 30 December 1899. So we can get around the
issue with DATEVALUE.
Explaining what to put where would take some time, so I put spreadsheet
online. You can download it here:
http://minio.komunikatory.pl/pliki/array-and-dmax.ods
--
Best regards
Mirosław Zalewski
Thank you, and all the others who replied, for valuable information. I
also like the idea to reply with an actual spreadsheet, so I don't
need to translate all the cell functions to Swedish… :)
I think I was right in my first post: I didn't completely understand
the concept. Thank you guys for explaining.
Johnny Rosenberg
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[libreoffice-users] Duden Korrektor?
On the Releases Notes page for 4.0.4rc1 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.0.4/RC1 under the installation notes for Windows it says: Duden Korrektor will work with this version only if you put the stlport_vc7145.dll from 3.6.x installation somewhere in your %PATH%. Note that you will have to have also MSVCR90.DLL installed on your system. Duden Korrektor seems to be something in German, but the best translation to English I can get is something like Google Corrector. What does Duden Korrektor mean in English? This is a Release Candidate not a developer snapshot, so why are we asking end users, willing to test our proposed release, to move dlls around and make additions to the %PATH% ? Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Duden Korrektor?
At 15:44 01/06/2013 +0200, Dave Barton wrote: Duden Korrektor seems to be something in German, but the best translation to English I can get is something like Google Corrector. What does Duden Korrektor mean in English? The _Duden_ is a highly respected dictionary of the German language, originally published by Konrad Duden in 1880. So in this context, the Duden Korrektor will be a spelling checker based on this dictionary. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Duden Korrektor?
Hi :) Sounds like you have accidentally downloaded the German version instead of one of the English ones. Can you check to see if the accident is at the LibreOffice's downloads page? (ie check to make sure it was the English version you were trying to download) The MSVCR90.DLL sounds like a fairly crucial Windows driver, a system driver. You should have one already although it does break occasionally causing significant problems. Can you get a replacement one from microsoft.com? or is it because the German version is looking for a German version of the file? Regards from Tom :) From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 1 June 2013, 15:24 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Duden Korrektor? At 15:44 01/06/2013 +0200, Dave Barton wrote: Duden Korrektor seems to be something in German, but the best translation to English I can get is something like Google Corrector. What does Duden Korrektor mean in English? The _Duden_ is a highly respected dictionary of the German language, originally published by Konrad Duden in 1880. So in this context, the Duden Korrektor will be a spelling checker based on this dictionary. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question
Hi :) Not all our devs are volunteers. Some are paid by various companies, notably SUSE but also Redhat and others to work on LibreOffice. Such companies might normally attempt to create their own in house product but instead choose to collaborate on creating something shared. Macs are based on Bsd, which in turn is unix-based. GnuLinux are also unix-based. So Bsd and GnuLinux share the same parent but do have differences. Apparently a lot of Raspberry Pis are used to play around with hardware experimentation such as control's for various types of robots. One chap put quite a few together to create a super-server. So significant numbers are not being used as desktop machines at all. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 1 June 2013, 12:24 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question We try our best to help as much as we can, but sometimes those of us who are reading these lists do not have an answer. Yes, we talk about other issues than LibreOffice on some of these lists, but it should not be the main reasons to come and read them. For the past few weeks, the questions I see are not something I could help with. At least I was not sure of an answer and let others put in their two cents worth. Yes, having cross-platform packages really are nice. I run Ubuntu Linux most of the time, but I do need to use Windows once in a while due some non-cross-platform packages. So, when I am using Windows on a laptop [not my main desktop since it is Ubuntu only] then I do not need to have a different package for my office suite needs. That is really one of the best features of using LibreOffice - the cross-platform usability. Yes, LibreOffice is not like many packages, since it is was designed to be used on many different platforms, and not just the ones listed. Our developers are working hard to make LibreOffice work on as many platforms as they can. They are working on making tablet versions, other than Windows OS tablet-like, touch screen, laptop devices. An Android version is being worked on, but due to the limits of program space and other limitations, that LibreOffice will not be as fully functional as the Windows, Mac OS X, and various other Linux-based systems. Also, there are tools to help make our office suite work better with certain platforms. I use a 4 core Ubuntu desktop. It was a better than middle of the road system when I bought it. Right now, there is a emerging market for LibreOffice using the Raspberry Pi system that has some different Linux OS options. That system's developers seem to have ported LibreOffice to work the best they can to their system. The figures I have heard from a web cast is they have reached the million unit mark. Sure, not all of these usints will be running LibreOffice, but are being used for so many other options than a traditional computer, but the whole idea was that LibreOffice currently the only office suite that was ported to Raspberry Pi. People are able to get LibreOffice to work on many more systems than is listed on our download site. The re-training aspect is the one key aspect for moving from MSO to LibreOffice. For that, many people I have talked to do not want to switch. They will keep on using other packages they are use to using instead of taking the short amount of time to see how easy LibreOffice is in getting use to. I switched to Linux as my main system in 2009, before LO came in to being, so I had only one choice, OpenOffice.org. Since LibreOffice is the best fork of that older package, I was able to easily switch. Yes, I am guilty of the suing the same package that I am use to using issue/excuse. I have a preferred paid for graphics package that has not ported to any other system. It is a Win-only package. Yes, I am learning GIMP for my Linux-based systems, but after using a package for over 10 to 15 years, it is hard to switch and re-trin myself to be able to use a different package as well as the one I prefer to use. I stopped getting MSO at the 2003 mark. One reason was the fact that MSO changed everything to my view back them when MSO '07 came out. I kept using it till I had a real big push to start using a different package. Now, I struggle with someone else's system when they only have MSO '07 'or '10 installed. I am now use to using LibreOffice now. As for the multi-workplace option[s] in a Linux based system [yes OS X is sort of Linux based], I do not really use them. I do know of others who really need to use them. I know of a few Windows user who would love to be able to have that option. So to answer the question of no answers to my question, like I stated before, sometimes we do not have a solution to the issue and we just do not reply to the question and say that. That seems to be a
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question
Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Not all our devs are volunteers. Some are paid by various companies, notably SUSE but also Redhat and others to work on LibreOffice. Such companies might normally attempt to create their own in house product but instead choose to collaborate on creating something shared. Macs are based on Bsd, which in turn is unix-based. GnuLinux are also unix-based. So Bsd and GnuLinux share the same parent but do have differences. Just to keep the record straight, on Linux day #1, Linus Torvalds based his Linux on Minix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINIX , which in turn was based on Unix. I do believe the Minix disk filesystem is still included with today's Linux. Yes, I just checked and it is (man mkfs.minix). Then GNU had a bunch of *nix utilities, such as ls, tar, gcc, etc. which Linus merged into Linux. Linux grew from that grafting ever since. That is why Linux is referred to as GNU/Linux. To be accurate, the term Linux only refers to the kernel operating system, not the GNU tools. GNU/Linux is not Unix, but it is very close and the philosophy is very similar. BSD and GNU/Linux are two branches of the same Unix tree. Although a bit dated (the Linux kernel is now up to 3.x), here is a nice chart I just found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history.svg Clearing the air... Girvin Herr Apparently a lot of Raspberry Pis are used to play around with hardware experimentation such as control's for various types of robots. One chap put quite a few together to create a super-server. So significant numbers are not being used as desktop machines at all. Regards from Tom :) snip -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question
Yes, there are those companies that help with the FOSS packages like LibreOffice. Their help is very important to projects like LibreOffice. I think having in-house versions are not good for many reasons, but the two are: 1] they are judged negatively by it for the issues brought up, even if they did not create the coding that was the trigger for the issue, 2] the good marketing potential to be a part of the open source movement by supporting and contributing to an open-source project. The Raspberry Pi systems were developed for the educational market as a really low costing system for the school budgets. The only office suite package ported to their version of Linux is LibreOffice. Yes, RPi was designed to a cheap costing Linux-based computer to control other electronics, making things like media servers, robotics, and to control any number of other electronics from an adapter/daughter board. Yes, I have stated about the mini super computer running Linux [about $2000 USD for all the hardware and such]. Another cheap paperback book size system has done that as well. If the students had a bad day and fried the RPi, it was much cheaper to replace it than a more traditional computer system. It was designed for the low replacement costs if a bad day happened. But the thing is that RPi was developed for the educational market and every one that is being used for that market, hardware or software experimentation, will be exposed in some degree to LibreOffice. Either that it has been ported/compiled to be hardware optimized or actually using it on a RPi. For Macs, yes I should have gone back the one more step to its Unix roots. The key is that if you have a non-traditional Unix, Linux, or other OS and want to compile it to your specific hardware and OS combination, it is possible. You do not need to stick with Windows, Mac OSX, or the standard .deb or .rpm Linux installs. Just having a package that will work on Windows, Mac and standard GnuLinux based systems. It is also nice, except for Windows, you have a choice of CPU optimized versions for your system. DEB/RPM - 32-bit or 64-bit. Mac OSX - PPC or Intel/x86. Of course there is a Windows based portable version instead of the default Windows one, but it has its pros/cons over the standard/default installed Windows version. The cross-platform option is one of the better concepts for marketing, besides the MSO file format compatibility. You will not need to learn a different office package whether you are using Windows, Mac OSX or most GnuLinux systems out in the market today. Also the support for an extremely large population base through the different language packs is a very good thing for non-English or multi-language users. I had a lady from Israel tell me that, since she has to type documents up in English, French, Hebrew, and Arabic one in a while. She told me that MSO did not support Hebrew and the other languages in a single install and could not get multiple language support for MSO on one system. LO, supported and contributed by volunteers and tech companies alike. LO, supports most computer OSs in the home and business markets - Windows, Mac, Linux. LO, supports 100+ languages through its language packs, help packs, and some add-on extensions. I doubt that MSO would ever get as far with all three of these lines like LO does. LO can support more systems out in the market, but we need to convince more of the home, school, business, and governmental, markets and make our market share rise world wide. On 06/01/2013 01:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Not all our devs are volunteers. Some are paid by various companies, notably SUSE but also Redhat and others to work on LibreOffice. Such companies might normally attempt to create their own in house product but instead choose to collaborate on creating something shared. Macs are based on Bsd, which in turn is unix-based. GnuLinux are also unix-based. So Bsd and GnuLinux share the same parent but do have differences. Apparently a lot of Raspberry Pis are used to play around with hardware experimentation such as control's for various types of robots. One chap put quite a few together to create a super-server. So significant numbers are not being used as desktop machines at all. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 1 June 2013, 12:24 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question We try our best to help as much as we can, but sometimes those of us who are reading these lists do not have an answer. Yes, we talk about other issues than LibreOffice on some of these lists, but it should not be the main reasons to come and read them. For the past few weeks, the questions I see are not something I could help with. At least I was not sure of an answer and let others put in
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question
Thanks for the links Girvin. The whole point is not the specifics of the genealogy of the OSs that can be supported, but it does support them and can be easily ported to some others, as long as there are not any hardware issues like tablets. MSO would never support such a diverse market, like LO does and could be ported to. --- I have a cross-platform package that has specific downloads for: Windows Linux - deb and rpg Mac OSX Solaris HP-UX and maybe AIX, if I remember correctly plus a Java based version. The key is not needing to learn a different package for each of the different hardware and OS combinations. That is a big thing for people who use more than one OS. I use Ubuntu/Linux for my main system, with dual booting laptops that have Ubuntu and Windows on them. I choose OpenOffice, originally for the Windows and Linux cross platform options, and then switched to LO when it first came out. I really did not want to have two different packages for each productivity option [for the most part]. LO, GIMP, Inkscape, VLC, and some others, are installed on all my Ubuntu and Windows single or dual booting systems. That way I do not have to worry which OS I am using at that time on the document or graphics that I am working on for someone. No need to switch systems or change to another boot on the laptops. I just have to make that the data is on a disk partition [for laptops] that can be accessed by both Windows and Ubuntu, or on a USB drive [flash or big external] or on my network [if in range of my laptop when I am not in my place but 10 floors down in the common areas of the building]. On 06/01/2013 02:27 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Not all our devs are volunteers. Some are paid by various companies, notably SUSE but also Redhat and others to work on LibreOffice. Such companies might normally attempt to create their own in house product but instead choose to collaborate on creating something shared. Macs are based on Bsd, which in turn is unix-based. GnuLinux are also unix-based. So Bsd and GnuLinux share the same parent but do have differences. Just to keep the record straight, on Linux day #1, Linus Torvalds based his Linux on Minix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINIX , which in turn was based on Unix. I do believe the Minix disk filesystem is still included with today's Linux. Yes, I just checked and it is (man mkfs.minix). Then GNU had a bunch of *nix utilities, such as ls, tar, gcc, etc. which Linus merged into Linux. Linux grew from that grafting ever since. That is why Linux is referred to as GNU/Linux. To be accurate, the term Linux only refers to the kernel operating system, not the GNU tools. GNU/Linux is not Unix, but it is very close and the philosophy is very similar. BSD and GNU/Linux are two branches of the same Unix tree. Although a bit dated (the Linux kernel is now up to 3.x), here is a nice chart I just found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history.svg Clearing the air... Girvin Herr Apparently a lot of Raspberry Pis are used to play around with hardware experimentation such as control's for various types of robots. One chap put quite a few together to create a super-server. So significant numbers are not being used as desktop machines at all. Regards from Tom :) snip -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice API
On 06/01/2013 07:18 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2013/6/1 Luuk luu...@gmail.com: On 01-06-2013 00:12, Bill Greenfield wrote: Where can I find information about the Methods and Properties of LibreOffice API? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-API-tp4059011.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. http://api.libreoffice.org/ or http://lmgtfy.com/?q=libreoffice+apil=1 And more than that, the xray plugin might help you a bit. Johnny Rosenberg Any particular area? Working examples are very helpful, and you can find many examples on the forums. I spent a lot of time looking at the API documentation, inspecting objects (using tools similar to XRay), and even reading the source code if needed. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question
Hi :) Yes, the main points were good. I was just pointing out a few minor, trivial, mostly irrelevant details that were a little askew. I like this quote from Linus' posting 1991-08-26 to the usenet group Hello everybody out there using minix - I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) Btw the term Gnu/Linux seems to be trying to say Gnu on top of a Linux kernel (which makes sense and is pretty accurate) but most people will read that as Gnu divided by Linux (which is absurd and meaningless). I prefer GnuLinux because it is both added together that makes the whole system. Each to their own though! [shrugs] However all that is an aside from the original tangent which was that i really like the way this list is able to give people help on interesting features of all the major platforms. Also that it's good to have packages that work on all systems so people can keep using what they are familiar with. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 1 June 2013, 20:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question Thanks for the links Girvin. The whole point is not the specifics of the genealogy of the OSs that can be supported, but it does support them and can be easily ported to some others, as long as there are not any hardware issues like tablets. MSO would never support such a diverse market, like LO does and could be ported to. --- I have a cross-platform package that has specific downloads for: Windows Linux - deb and rpg Mac OSX Solaris HP-UX and maybe AIX, if I remember correctly plus a Java based version. The key is not needing to learn a different package for each of the different hardware and OS combinations. That is a big thing for people who use more than one OS. I use Ubuntu/Linux for my main system, with dual booting laptops that have Ubuntu and Windows on them. I choose OpenOffice, originally for the Windows and Linux cross platform options, and then switched to LO when it first came out. I really did not want to have two different packages for each productivity option [for the most part]. LO, GIMP, Inkscape, VLC, and some others, are installed on all my Ubuntu and Windows single or dual booting systems. That way I do not have to worry which OS I am using at that time on the document or graphics that I am working on for someone. No need to switch systems or change to another boot on the laptops. I just have to make that the data is on a disk partition [for laptops] that can be accessed by both Windows and Ubuntu, or on a USB drive [flash or big external] or on my network [if in range of my laptop when I am not in my place but 10 floors down in the common areas of the building]. On 06/01/2013 02:27 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Not all our devs are volunteers. Some are paid by various companies, notably SUSE but also Redhat and others to work on LibreOffice. Such companies might normally attempt to create their own in house product but instead choose to collaborate on creating something shared. Macs are based on Bsd, which in turn is unix-based. GnuLinux are also unix-based. So Bsd and GnuLinux share the same parent but do have differences. Just to keep the record straight, on Linux day #1, Linus Torvalds based his Linux on Minix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINIX , which in turn was based on Unix. I do believe the Minix disk filesystem is still included with today's Linux. Yes, I just checked and it is (man mkfs.minix). Then GNU had a bunch of *nix utilities, such as ls, tar, gcc, etc. which Linus merged into Linux. Linux grew from that grafting ever since. That is why Linux is referred to as GNU/Linux. To be accurate, the term Linux only refers to the kernel operating system, not the GNU tools. GNU/Linux is not Unix, but it is very close and the philosophy is very similar. BSD and GNU/Linux are two branches of the same Unix tree. Although a bit dated (the Linux kernel is now up to 3.x), here is a nice chart I just found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history.svg Clearing the air... Girvin Herr Apparently a lot of Raspberry Pis are used to play around with hardware experimentation such as control's for various types of robots. One chap put quite a few together to create a super-server. So significant numbers are not being used as desktop machines at all. Regards from Tom :) snip -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
