[libreoffice-users] Re: Problem with numbered lists greater than 10

[James Wilde]

Hi Brian and thank you for your explanation.  The reason for the late 
reply is that I have been experimenting with this and managed to find a 
workaround.

You mention the use of styles to make this easier.  I haven't been a 
user of styles, and certainly not for what amounts to an outline.  Could 
I ask you to expand on that a bit.  I'm going to be doing this a lot in 
the future - I write the minutes for a condominium association, so it 
might be time to consider a style.

Regards

James

> Brian Barker [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
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> 09 August 2017 14:09
> At 03:10 09/08/2017 -0700, James Wilde wrote:
> >Using 5.1.6.2 on Ubuntu 16.04 Never had these problems before that I
> >remember. I am using a numbered list. Main numbering is 1, 2, 3,
> >level 2 is a), b), c), level 3 is i), ii), iii.
> >
> >Problem 1: when I get to 10. the title suddenly hops in a tab so
> >that it is not aligned with earlier titles. In the past I have
> >always had a little more room between the number. and the title so
> >that all titles are aligned. Have fiddled about with all the
> >settings I can think of without being able to resolve this.
>
> This will be because the two-digit number, along with the dot,
> already extends beyond the tab position at which the text material
> starts for earlier numbers - so the text will now be aligned at the
> next tab stop instead. This will depend on the font size, of course,
> and you can see how this works by reducing the font size: for small
> enough font sizes, everything should line up again.
>
> You should be able to correct this behaviour using the settings on
> the Position tab of the Numbering dialogue. Note that you can select
> levels under Level at the left and set properties differently for each 
> level.
>
> o For labelling that will be of different lengths - such as with your
> 9., 10., and so on, as well as your third level i), ii), and so on -
> you may well wish to set the "Numbering alignment" as Right instead
> of Left. This will solve your problem at a stroke - though you may
> wish to adjust other spacings to deal with any consequent changes.
>
> o Alternatively, you should be able to solve your problem simply by
> increasing the value for the tab stop position for Level 1.
>
> >Problem 2: When I press new line and tab, I have always hitherto
> >hopped in one tab so that a), b) and so on are aligned with one
> >another, a little bit in from the alignment of 1., 2., etc. Now
> >suddenly either the numbering for this one point changes to a letter
> >(the letter which is the equivalent of the next level 1 number, e.g.
> >10 for J) at the same position as level 1 numbering or the whole
> >numbering system changes to a) b) c) etc at level 1. Have also
> >experimented with several options without result.
>
> Do you have a single numbered list here - or perhaps what looks like
> a single list but is actually a number of separate lists? One way to
> investigate this is to form the list again - which is simpler than it
> sounds. Put the cursor at the end of the first item and press Enter
> and Tab if appropriate. Press Delete to bring the next item's text
> back to that line. Repeat as necessary, using Enter, Tab, and
> Shift+Tab as necessary. But I'm guessing.
>
> Of course, using styles is always better, so creating or using a list
> style may make things easier.
>
> I trust this helps.
>
> Brian Barker
>
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[libreoffice-users] Problem with numbered lists greater than 10

[James Wilde]

Using 5.1.6.2 on Ubuntu 16.04  Never had these problems before that I
remember.

I am using a numbered list.  Main numbering is 1, 2, 3, level 2 is a), b),
c), level 3 is i), ii), iii.

Problem 1:  when I get to 10. the title suddenly hops in a tab so that it is
not aligned with earlier titles.  In the past I have always had a little
more room between the number. and the title so that all titles are aligned. 
Have fiddled about with all the settings I can think of without being able
to resolve this.

Problem 2:  When I press new line and tab, I have always hitherto hopped in
one tab so that a), b) and so on are aligned with one another, a little bit
in from the alignment of 1., 2., etc.  Now suddenly either the numbering for
this one point changes to a letter (the letter which is the equivalent of
the next level 1 number, e.g. 10 for J) at the same position as level 1
numbering or the whole numbering system changes to a) b) c) etc at level 1. 
Have also experimented with several options without result.

Help gratefully accepted.  I have an idea that previously I have stated off
my list by klicking on bullets and then on numbering which I haven't done
this time.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Strange line spacing

[James Wilde]

Absolutely right, Virgil, and that's the advice I gave when we discovered the
problem.  That's the way I work:  a composition phase followed by a
formatting phase.  And, yes, I do, on bigger jobs, create paragraph breaks
through, usually, paragraph formatting, sometimes with styles.  Personally I
usually go for a 1 cm (or so) first line indent and no extra line break.

However, this was, as you said, a rush job, and all the worse for my wife
not having used LO before.

Your comment on the source is quite possibly also valid, for the first thing
she did was to import the school logo at the top of the document from an old
docx Word document.  I hadn't actually thought about that, and that could
account for the problem.  Perhaps a way round this in future if she imports
anything from Word might be to select and copy all from the Word document,
and paste special, I think it is, into the .odt document.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Strange line spacing

[James Wilde]

Thanks, Jomali.

I must admit I was more interested in investigating the document in question
than in trying to reproduce the problem.  My mistake.

It's good to know you couldn't reproduce it.  I think I'm just going to say
that this is a one-off, and I don't know how it happened.  There were so
many funny things about this document, not least that it existed about a
page and a half past the end of the document.  I'll rephrase that!  About a
page and a half past the last text.  And this part of the document clearly
had a variety of settings, as the values when I called up format paragraph
were all empty, which usually happens when you have different fonts,
different varieties of the font (regular, bold, etc) and different sizes.

But again, thanks a lot for trying.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Strange line spacing

[James Wilde]

Thanks, Remi, for taking the time to answer.

It is definitely a font problem, but not of the nature you hypothesized.  We
managed to get her document finished by the simple expedient of inserting
one letter on the blank lines before making the second carriage return - or
whatever it is called in the post-typewriter age.  We could then remove
these extra letters when the document was finished without losing the single
line spacing she wanted.

I have now experimented on a copy of her file.  She is, btw, using version
5.2.2.2.

Near the start of her document, after the title, she had written the letter
'A' (to indicate the first section of the exam) and increased the size of
this from 12 pt to 26 pt.  She had then continued with explanatory text in
12 pt text on the same line and the following one.  When she then did her
two carriage returns, the first one placed her one standard line down, the
second one gave her a huge line space, which I suspect is the line spacing
she would get with 26 pt text.  It looked like this (I'll use underscores to
show the 26 pt letter).

_A_ Instructions on what to do in the exam which wrapped over onto a second
line which I'm trying desperately to make this example show.
(first line would appear 12 pt below the word 'show')

(Second line would appear 26 pt below the first line)

(All subsequent text shows the same problem) 

I found that, if I changed the size of this initial letter to 12 pt, the
problem went away.  If I reinstated the 26 pt letter, it returned.  Moving
the letter 'A' to its own line did not affect the situation, that is to say
when I went to the end of the explanatory paragraph, I still got  26 pt line
spacing, even if I had changed the font size to 12 pt after the letter 'A'
but on the same line.

So problem is explained, if not solved.  It seems as though the document has
somehow absorbed the fact that this paragraph started with a letter in 26pt
and starts all subsequent paragraphs the same way.  The style was Standard.

If anyone has anything to add, I'd very much appreciate it.  My wife was
hopping mad last night and threatening to buy Microsoft Office, but had
calmed down a bit today, and I hope I'll be able to keep her on LibreOffice
after my explanation.



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[libreoffice-users] Strange line spacing

[James Wilde]

I have installed the latest safe edition of LibreOffice on my wife's new
Windows 10 machine and she is getting very strange behaviour in
connection with line spacing.

She is used to putting two carriage returns between paragraphs, as I am,
but what happens is that, when she inserts one return, the text moves
down to the next line.  When she inserts two, it jumps down an AWFULLY
long way.  The cursor also appears to be set for about 72 point
typeface, which I suspect is part of the problem.  When she inserts two
returns, the second one appears below where the bottom of the previous
one was.

I have suggested that we change the paragraph format to include a few
milimetres of space below the text of a paragraph but this does not
solve the problem of inserting two carriage returns.

I don't seem able to replicate the problem on my Mac, which is running
version 5.0.0.5 (don't know offhand what version she is using, but I
downloaded it a couple of weeks ago).

As always when something goes wrong, she's working under extreme time
press and needs to get an exam paper prepared for tomorrow, so I'd
appreciate it if someone can help fairly quickly.

Thanks in advance.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: zero page number

[James Wilde]

Hm.  My original post was via Nabble as I don't save posts to the users 
forum and Nabble doesn't want to quote Brian properly so I'm trying to 
post this by replying to the copy of Brian's email which I received and 
adding the users forum.

First and most important, thanks, Brian for your answer.  It seemed easy 
but it wasn't for various reasons.  One is that the original document is 
on my wife's computer where Libreoffice is the Swedish version, and 
Swedish translations of interface terms aren't always intuitive!  As a 
consequence I originally added Sections instead of Styles (before 
getting your reply).

Now I have taken a new copy of the original document from Scrivener and 
moved it to my computer, where Libreoffice is the English version.

Remaining comments inline below.

> Brian Barker [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
> <mailto:ml-node+s969070n4188397...@n3.nabble.com>
> 12 Jul 2016 14:20
> At 04:24 12/07/2016 -0700, James Wilde wrote:
> >I have a book in which I want to insert page numbers. I've tried
> >dividing the book up into front information and the actual book
> >contents and I want to start numbering from page 1 as the first page
> >of the actual contents. There are four pages before the book starts,
> >including a blank page on the left hand side.
>
> 
>
> I don't know whether this is a bug, but there is a way to achieve
> what you want without this problem.
>
> Footers (and headers) are a property of page styles. As you need
> different behaviour in different parts of your document, you should
> use different page styles for the different parts - here one for the
> front matter and another for the body of the document. The page style
> for the body will have a footer with page numbers, whereas the page
> style for the front matter may have either a footer with no page
> number or no footer at all.
>
> Once you have created the two page styles, insert a manual page break
> at the juncture:
> o Apply the page style for the front matter to the document. Do not
> worry that this will - temporarily - apply to the entire document.
> o Put the cursor at the end of the front matter.
> o Go to Insert | Manual Break... .
> o Select "Page break".
I didn't understand that inserting a manual break would not only divide 
the document into two regions but add a blank page.  So I now had five 
pages of front matter, but I managed to remove one of them.  One thing I 
would like to know:  supposing I needed to do this again between two 
sections of the content pages, but didn't want a blank page between them 
- not very likely, I know, but anyhow - how could I do that?
> o Under Style, select the page style for your document body from the
> drop-down menu.
> o As you want page numbering of the body to start at 1 instead of at
> 5, tick "Change page number" and select the starting number - 1 -
> from the thumbwheel.
All this worked fine.  So once again, thanks, Brian.
>





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[libreoffice-users] zero page number

[James Wilde]

I have a book in which I want to insert page numbers.  I've tried dividing
the book up into front information and the actual book contents and I want
to start numbering from page 1 as the first page of the actual contents. 
There are four pages before the book starts, including a blank page on the
left hand side.

I can't find a way to divide the book up into two sections, one of which,
the first four pages, has no footer, the second of which does, and then I
can start numbering from 1.  So I have added the footer, inserted page
number field and put in -4 in the page number field window.  Now the first
page of the book contents has a 1 at the bottom, but the previous (blank)
page has a zero which I can't get rid of.  Is this a bug or have I missed
something?

Using version 5.0.3.2 on Windows 7



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[libreoffice-users] Objects in Draw move position

[James Wilde]

I scanned in a map of our garden as I wanted to make detailed plans for
the layout of different bits of the garden.  I loaded this scanned
picture into Draw.

Next I added a number of circles of various sizes to represent trees. 
The next step will be to capture a portion of the big map and enlarge it
in order to do more detailed maps of the different parts of the garden. 
However, it seems that the circles for trees are not fastened to the
map.  When I move the point of focus, the map moves as I expect, to show
the new portion, but the green circles of trees stay where they are
relative to the Draw window, so that they change position on the map.

How to I pin the trees to the map?

TIA

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Outlining

[James Wilde]

Andreas Säger <mailto:ville...@t-online.de>
19 Oct 2015 19:20via Postbox 
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Am 19.10.2015 um 19:06 schrieb James Wilde:

Using v.5.0.0.5 on OSX 10.9

I think this functionality, which everyone says is to be found, is not
too well documented.

James



Hands-on tutorial by example document about templates, styles, outlines,
indices etc.


http://openoffice-uni.org/



Thanks, Andreas.  I took a quick look and it could be a help, but I 
discovered that Scrivener, where I now do my writing, has a good 
outliner.  I'm just not familiar with its features.


James

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

[James Wilde]

+20


Alex Thurgood 
11 Oct 2015 11:44via Postbox 


Le 10/10/2015 23:36, Italo Vignoli a écrit :

Suffice it to say that Andreas is a vociferous participant in this
discussion list, but that doesn't make his criticisms any less justified
or relevant. What he dislikes is badly implemented change for change's
sake, and that is an inherent problem in LibreOffice's development. The
project from the start has sacrificed behavioural stability with regard
to the end user for feature creep. We are quite clearly in the "bazaar"
mode of the cathedral and bazaar dichotomy, where no overlying
dictatorship (benevolent or otherwise) exists to govern the direction
code development should take. This has positive and negative effects -
the positive being that people can just turn up and work on the thing
they want to implement - the negative being the law of unintended
consequences, or collateral damage, i.e. bugs newly introduced that
change long standing behaviour to which users have become accustomed.

Fortunately, there are still people like Andreas to call the code
contributors out on those decisions.

I would suggest putting yourself in an admin's place where they have
probably invested long hours in developing a turnkey
OpenOffice/LibreOffice solution for their group of users, then finding
one day that that longstanding behaviour has changed because someone
else has not thought through a code change due to the tentacular nature
of the code base with no one having an overarching knowledge of it all,
and you will perhaps understand Andreas' frustration (which I happen to
share and have voiced it on the mailing lists in the past).

At present, long term support (bug fixes, security updates) for older
versions is to my knowledge only available on Linux and only with regard
to certain distributions. If you are not on Linux, then you are stuck
playing catch up with versions that successively introduce new bugs or
behaviours that don't get fixed for at least several point releases, or
for certain OSes, over multiple major version releases. Steve's mention
in this thread of EPS support and printing is just yet another
illustration of a change that was made that has a huge impact on
non-Linux OSes - all because someone thought it would be a good idea to
make that change without providing a solution for all platforms. Video
support in Impress is yet another issue that got significantly worse
with the move to the 4.x branch. What was the message we gave to our
users ? "Suck it up." There is only so much of that that users and their
admins are prepared to do, and in the end, it won't be surprising if
people switch to another product that offers them greater longterm
stability where such changes are less invasive or devastating to the
day-to-day running of the organisation.


Alex









Italo Vignoli 
10 Oct 2015 23:36via Postbox 


Please avoid entering in a discussion with a well know enemy of
LibreOffice. Andreas Saeger aka Villeroy has been spreading FUD about
LibreOffice since forever. People happy with a dead and buggy software -
aka Apache OpenOffice - should avoid commenting on LibreOffice mailing
lists.

Florian Reisinger 
10 Oct 2015 15:27via Postbox 


Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse?

Andreas Säger 
10 Oct 2015 15:26via Postbox 



LO introduces far too many changes to the worse which is why I still
prefer OpenOffice.


Philip Jackson 
10 Oct 2015 15:23via Postbox 



Thank you Tom for that interesting explanation of the documentation 
website.


It explains why I often have trouble finding answers there. I keep a 
local copy
of "OpenOffice.org 3 Writer Guide" on my machine and can often find 
answers

there faster than on the website.

Philip





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Re: [libreoffice-users] introducing my self and a gift for appreciation to you:

[James Wilde]

On 07 Oct 2015, at 19:10, Brian Barker <b.m.bar...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> At 18:38 07/10/2015 +0200, James Wilde wrote:
>> Actually it is a compliment and thanks to LO and TDF for a good product 
>> which he is able to use, ...
>> ... this man's message ...
> 
> I don't want to engage in this conversation, but if this is going to be 
> discussed, perhaps it would help to recognise that someone called variously 
> either Nasrin or Zahra is likely to be a she, not a he!
> 
> ;^)
> 
> Brian Barker  

Oh dear, Brian.  Now you've made me feel even worse.  :*(
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Fwd: Undeliverable: introducing my self and a gift for appreciation to you:

[James Wilde]

On 07 Oct 2015, at 19:31, Brian Barker <b.m.bar...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> At 18:52 07/10/2015 +0200, James Wilde wrote:
>>> *From:* Postmaster <postmas...@binero.se>
>>> <mnasrinkhaks...@gmail.com>
>>> The email account that you tried to reach does not exist.
>> 
>> How embarrassing!  :*(
> 
> What's embarrassing - that you simply got the address wrong?
> 
> Brian Barker 

Problem is, Brian, that I copied it from the OP's message.  Or thought I did.
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[libreoffice-users] Re: introducing my self and a gift for appreciation to you:

[James Wilde]

Just to round off this subject, I'm sorry I did not notice that Gabriele 
Ponzo acknowledged one of the messages from Nasrin just yesterday, and 
very gracefully it was done.


James

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Re: [libreoffice-users] introducing my self and a gift for appreciation to you:

[James Wilde]

Actually it is a compliment and thanks to LO and TDF for a good product which 
he is able to use, blind as he is.  I would suspect that his english is next to 
non-existent and that he has simply written the message he would send to a 
fellow countryman, and run it through Google translate.  And yes, he does 
appear to be religious, but we have lots of Christian users, including some 
clerics, in here.  Admittedly they don't often go to the extremes of this man's 
message, but perhaps in his country you are expected  to address an 
unknown/organisation in this manner.

Perhaps if someone writes back to him to acknowledge his message, he will not 
think it necessary to send the message again.  (I believe I have seen it 
twice.)  I'll do that when I've finished this.

And he's offered us a present in thanks, perhaps not one that many of us will 
take him up on, but nonetheless one which he thinks is a valuable present.

Just my 2c

James

On 07 Oct 2015, at 18:15, James Knott  wrote:

> Apparently his religion allows him to violate this list by posting 
> religious crap.
> 
> 
> On 10/07/2015 08:29 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
>> Can this junk be stopped please?
>> 
>> 
>> On 2015-10-06 20:54, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>> in the name of god the most compassionate the most merciful.
>>> hello every one.
>>> my name is zahra.
>>> i used microsoft office before.
>>> but since we can not buy the payed softwares and my religion does not
>>> allow to violate the right of others,
>>> and i wanted to use the computer according to my religion and with the
>>> legal way,
>>> i decided to use free softwares since last year.
>>> i searched in the internet for the free softwares for one year.
>>> my sleep was only 2 or 3 hours in the night and most of the times i
>>> tried and tested different free softwares.
>>> since i am blind, i should test programs first for to select free
>>> softwares and the second accessibility for me was very important to
>>> use this programs.
>>> after one year efferts and search, i found my favorite programs in
>>> different aspects. like: multemedia, screen reader, writing program,
>>> text editor, internet browser, system information, office program etc.
>>> i spent many times for finding an accessible, free and opensource
>>> program replacement for microsoft office.
>>> i found your program libreoffice the best.
>>> for its translation to most languages, for accessibility, for its
>>> compatibility to the microsoft documents, for its completeness and the
>>> best point: the intimacy, kindness, support and help between the
>>> members of your group.
>>> for this reason i wanted to appreciate you for sincere efferts and
>>> your great program libreoffice.
>>> i have a gift for you for all of you one of the english translations
>>> of the holy quran.
>>> the message of god for all mankind, in the all universe in all times,
>>> the message for salvation of mankind in this world and the hereafter,
>>> the message of monotheism, mercy, compassionate, fraternity, kindness,
>>> justice, friendship, goodness and happiness for all mankind.
>>> the holy quran encourages his followers to appreciate kindness of
>>> others.
>>> reply them better or returnthere goodness and do good with the same.
>>> And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with a better
>>> [greeting] than it or return it; surely Allah takes account of all
>>> things.
>>> for this reason its my duty to be grateful to you, your kindness, for
>>> your great software and efferts for helping other people, and i offer
>>> my gift to you.
>>> for any question about the english translation of the holy quran, for
>>> any question about the islam and your idea andyour  experiment, be in
>>> contact with me.
>>> and for reading more books and morerecognition about islam, please
>>> visit website.
>>> this website has many useful books in different aspects of islam.
>>> 
>>> for recieving my giftplease  download it from one of the following
>>> links:
>>> http://s3.picofile.com/d/68fdc44f-37bb-4d22-801b-1057ae8e6225/English_Mohammad_Habib_Shakir.pdf
>>> 
>>> or
>>> https://docs.google.com/uc?authuser=0=0B0IwVPzAoZd6Y2NzNnhtNWo4Wk0=download
>>> 
>>> 
>>> the best website address that i mentioned has many books about islam
>>> in various languages is:
>>> www.al-islam.org
>>> 
>>> i am very happy to be contact with me and share your ideas, questions,
>>> and so on.
>>> 
>>> god bless you. from: zahra.
>> 
> 
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[libreoffice-users] Fwd: Undeliverable: introducing my self and a gift for appreciation to you:

[James Wilde]

How embarrassing!  :*(


*From:* Postmaster 
*Date:* 7 Oct 2015 18:48
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*Subject:* Undeliverable: introducing my self and a gift for 
appreciation to you:

This is the mail system at host bin-vsp-out-04.atm.binero.net.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

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try double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or unnecessary 
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[libreoffice-users] introducing my self and a gift for appreciation to you:

[James Wilde]

Thank you, Nasrin, for your kind words about LibreOffice.  We are all 
users of the program suite and all very appreciative of The Document 
Foundation, which makes it available to us for free.


Welcome to the users forum.

James Wilde

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing csv files from the bank

[James Wilde]

I see your name is Nielsen, which could indicate that you are Danish or
Norwegian.  Can it be that you have one of these two languages/regions
as your default, which means, amongst other things that the decimal
separator is a comma.  If you are importing from an english or american
bank, the decimal separator will be a dot.

James

On 2015-07-23 11:22, Vicki Nielsen wrote:
 Hi,
 I am having troubles importing  csv files from the bank. When I import the 
 files, they do not include decimal figures, only whole numbers, so the system 
 won't balance. Any ideas as to how to get the whole figures imported?

 Best regards,
 Vicki Nielsen   


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Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey

[James Wilde]

Before I became a pensioner my work environment was Sun Solaris, but my
workstation was Redhat later Ubuntu linux.  I had Windows 7 in a
Virtualbox for some administrative functions which required Windows. 
Others in my group (sysops) used other varieties of linux.  The grunts
used Windows.

At home my son gave me his pensioned off  Macbook, at which I swore for
a week, and suddenly became a devoted Mac user.  My wife uses Windows 7,
I use Mavericks on my Mac Mini, Ubuntu 14-04 on my linux machine.  Both
machines have Virtualbox, and I'm trying to get OSX running on the linux
box.  I have it in a Virtualbox at the moment.

My Mac Mini and Ubuntu box both run Libreoffice.  My wife's machine has
LIbreoffice and MS Office, which she uses from force of habit.  I'm a
little amused that my wife will be getting a Mac (model unknown, but
probably running Yosemite) in the autumn as her new job-computer.  She's
already taking lessons on my machine!

James

On 2015-07-19 03:25, James E Lang wrote:
 The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What 
 operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at 
 work? What factors influence the choice?

 To set the tone, here are my answers:

 • I am retired so at work is not applicable
 • At home we have a desktop dual boot Windows XP (and Ubuntu Linux) computer, 
 a laptop dual boot Kubuntu Linux (and pre-installed Windows Vista) computer 
 and several other laptop, desktop, and dedicated server (Ubuntu Linux based) 
 computers. I also have Android Lollipop, Android Kit Kat, and Android Jelly 
 Bean tablets and phones. I have nothing from Apple.
 • Windows XP is used primarily for single player gaming and e-Sword Bible 
 software though it also is used to run LO, FireFox and Pegasus Mail 
 (proprietary though free of cost).
 • Kubuntu Linux is my general purpose go to environment. My first Linux 
 system used what I believe was the penultimate marketed version from SuSE 
 before the first release of Open SuSE. I liked the flexibility that was 
 inherent in the KDE desktop environment and found the UI to be quite similar 
 to that of Windows at the time. I have briefly tried Gnome and Unity desktop 
 environments but KDE is my personal first choice.
 • If I had a tablet computer that I thought could support my Linux usage it, 
 too, would run Kubuntu Linux, LO, etc.
 • Apple equipment is too expensive for me and from what I've heard about the 
 company's software policies, they are too restrictive to suit me.
 • Dual boot capabilities are seldom used to deviate from the above 
 information.
 • The BSODs on Windows influenced my initial adoption of Linux.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

[James Wilde]

My son is a technical illiterate and one time, when I had got tired of
rescuing his scsrewed-up (often virus-infected) Windows box, I gave him
Ubuntu.  He only uses his computer to surf to his webmail and to
facebook.  Nonetheless, he came to me after a week and asked me to
re-install Windows as he 'didn't understand how to use linux'.  So now I
have an iso of his disk which I reinstall as necessary.  There's never
anything on the actual disk other than the operating system.

James
 
On 2015-07-19 02:02, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
 On 07/18/2015 11:54 AM, charles meyer wrote:
 Hi Jack,

 You’re most welcome.

 I think many Windows users are married to old verbiage they heard
 years ago (some unfounded) about how you’ll need to learn to code or
 have to learn language like the old DOS to make Linux work and so
 propelled by fear they remain with Windows.

 I’m looking forward to all the good work and advancement Eric (on this
 list) makes with his foray into voice recognition but can you or Gary
 on this list or others recommend any Linux-based voice recognition?

 Nuance has dragged their heels in so many ways including developing
 voice recognition for more than one voice at a time so I don’t feel
 like I can count on them to offer a Linux-based version by 2020 when
 MS is supposed to end W7 support.

 Thanks for disabusing readers of their “Linux-fear” in your article
 and for your and others voice recognition recommendations.

 Charles.


 I started with computers when punch-cards were still common and
 computers smaller than a refrigerator was not.

 I wished I still remembered all the programming skills I have back
 then [but that ended with the strokes].  Users are pampered with a GUI
 and other modern items on their really small sized systems, compared
 to what I started working with.  You try writing a general ledger
 accounting system from scratch in COBOL and then tell me that people
 do not have it so easy now.  Well, at least if you do not have to do
 the GUI programming from scratch instead of using templates, or
 needing to do AI work withing a game environment.  But the basic
 business stuff was much harder to produce back then when colored
 printing, or even graphical printing, from a low to middle environment
 business computer was not available at all.  I was programming
 computers for over a decade before I ever saw a colored printer, let
 alone afford one.





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[libreoffice-users] Your message to libreoffice: PROBLEMAS PARA INSTALAR LIBREOFFICE EN GALEGO

[James Wilde]

You might find it easier to direct your question to the Portugese list:


http://pt.libreoffice.org/

or for brazilian portugese:

http://pt-br http://pt.libreoffice.org/.libreoffice.org/
http://pt.libreoffice.org/

Regards

James Wilde
moderator

Sent also to the users forum, in case the message gets through to users
anyway.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Notice to Appear in Court

[James Wilde]

Oh dear!  One of us clicked the wrong button. :)

James

On 2015-04-18 09:37, County Court wrote:
 Notice to Appear,

 You have to appear in the Court on the April 23.
 You are kindly asked to prepare and bring the documents relating to the case 
 to Court on the specified date.
 Note: If you do not come, the case will be heard in your absence.

 The Court Notice is attached to this email.

 Regards,
 Curtis Hart,
 Clerk of Court.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Casual conversation

[James Wilde]

I emphasise that there is no implied or intendedcriticism of Andreas  in
my previous post.

The problem is that Tom is a very social person, and invaluable in not
frightening away insecure novices, but perhaps not the best poster when
the going gets technical.

James

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Casual conversation

[James Wilde]

On 2015-04-17 10:21, Nino Novak wrote:
 On 16.04.2015 at 22:20, Andreas Säger wrote:
 @tom

 SHUT UP!!! If you don't have anything to tell.
 :-(

 I understand both:

 ...

 Another idea could be to ask Andreas to try to ignore Tom's messages, and
 ask Tom to try to restrain himself. Does this sound helpful?

sigh It's not going to work in the long run, Nino.  There's probably
no solution other than letting Andreas blow his top now and then.

James

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Fwd: [tdf-discuss] Printing problem in LibreOffice Development Build

[James Wilde]

On 2015-04-07 20:38, Brian Barker wrote:
 At 20:10 07/04/2015 +0200, James Wilde wrote:
 ... (s)he is not registered

 Looks decidedly a she to me:
 http://stackoverflow.com/users/4264377/glefani-misoles .

 Brian Barker 

I have to admit it looks like you are right, Brian.

James

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[libreoffice-users] Fwd: [tdf-discuss] Printing problem in LibreOffice Development Build

[James Wilde]

Forwarded from discuss, which was an inappropriate forum for the
subject.  Please include the OPs email address in any replies, as (s)he
is not registered-

James


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:[tdf-discuss] Printing problem in LibreOffice Development Build
Date:   Mon, 6 Apr 2015 23:09:22 -0700 (MST)
From:   glef gmiso...@yahoo.com
To: disc...@documentfoundation.org



Hi!

I am stuck in this problem:

When I click the *Cancel* button of print dialog box, or when I simply
just close it, it would still continue with the printing. Can somebody help
me with this? I'm totally new to LibreOffice development so I don't know
where to start to fix this..

Thanks,
Glefani



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Re: [libreoffice-users] IT Assistant

[James Wilde]

PS. I advised him that his attachment has been detached and suggested he send a 
url to a sample.

On 01 Apr 2015, at 11:28, James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com wrote:

 The following message came in to the website forum, so I am reposting it 
 here, where it is more appropriate.  The sender is not registered, so include 
 him separately in any reply.
 
 //James
 
 Hi Sir/Ma'am
 
   This is to raise my concern about  Libre Office. I encounter errors that 
 others may  encounter in the future or already been encountered by someone 
 else. Most of the time it hangs. I'm using version 4.4.1.2 under Windows 7 
 Pro 64-bit and 32-bit. Kindly see the attachment for reference.
 
 Your response is highly appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 Melborn
 
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[libreoffice-users] IT Assistant

[James Wilde]

The following message came in to the website forum, so I am reposting it here, 
where it is more appropriate.  The sender is not registered, so include him 
separately in any reply.

//James

Hi Sir/Ma'am

   This is to raise my concern about  Libre Office. I encounter errors that 
others may  encounter in the future or already been encountered by someone 
else. Most of the time it hangs. I'm using version 4.4.1.2 under Windows 7 Pro 
64-bit and 32-bit. Kindly see the attachment for reference.

Your response is highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Melborn

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Re: [libreoffice-users] rtf files

[James Wilde]

Wow!  Seems we have a new religion here, added to the conflicts in the Middle 
East, Northern Ireland (calm at the moment) and Kashmir, not to mention the 
South China Sea.

Can we agree that a) rtf is not an ISO standard and has never been; that b) 
most programs with a proprietary text format could once save as rtf and some 
still do, but now rarely as the only alternative and that c) it's not worth 
fighting any more over what rtf is and is not.  We'll save a lot of bandwidth 
that way, and maybe save the Document Foundation from having to buy a new Emc2 
cabinet to handle all the traffic.

Just my 2c.

James

PS perhaps my biggest beef is that the two most eager sparring partners both 
have to be moderated and I'm a moderator!  ;)

On 20 Nov 2014, at 11:41, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi :)
 Interesting lack of links to any documentation there.
 
 Also i still think that most people are going to find full words and widely
 used abbreviations MUCH easier to read than clever 1-4 letter abbreviations
 that are pretty much unique to the context.  We are obviously going to
 carry on disagreeing on that.
 
 With the Rtf file it was almost impossible to spot wherewhat the actual
 contents was.  With Xml the coding tags are clearly defined and limited.
 It's much easier to extract the actual words-on-the-page - even for a human
 without the benefit of so much as a simple text-editor's colour-coding.
 
 
 Also ODF 1.0/1.1 has been an established ISO format since 2006.  Tons of
 programs are able to implement it as per that ISO specification and set
 that as a default.
 
 Rtf never quite got that far.  Almost all of it's implementations are quite
 different from each other.  It's never been much of a standard.  You can
 grumble that it's everyone else's fault as much as you like but that
 doesn't improve the implementation in anything.  You never quite know what
 to expect when opening an Rtf in any program other than whatever it was
 written with.
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 
 On 20 November 2014 09:57, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Cley Faye:
 
 http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-
 v1.2-os-part1.html#__RefHeading__1415854_253892949
 
 
 So, somehow arbitrary BASE64-encoded data are fine in ODF yet an obstacle
 in RTF?
 
 http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-
 v1.2-os-part1.html#__RefHeading__1417966_253892949
 
 
 It is not documented there: it says it can be an arbitrary string with no
 effect defined.
 
 \cf0\kerning1\dbch\af6\langfe2052\dbch\af7\afs24\alang1081\loch\f4\fs24\
 lang1036
 
 
 \cfNForeground color (default is 0). N specifies the color as an index
 of the color table.
 \kerningNPoint size (in half-points) above which to kern character
 pairs. \kerning0 turns off kerning.
 \dbchThe text consists of double-byte characters.
 etc.
 
 RTF was changed on numerous occasion in non-retrocompatible ways,
 
 
 examples?
 
 accross several MS tools (namely MS Word and Wordpad) you get
 completely different results for the same file
 
 
 Different features supported give different results. Yet Arial 10pt red
 will stay Arial 10pt red everywhere, so the format definitely works.
 
 A RTF file is less human-readable than the content.xml file in an ODT
 
 
 XML isn't more readable than RTF.
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO Writer (Linux): Way to do text search in set of documents?

[James Wilde]

On 2014-08-30 13:29, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Hmm, sadly Writer doesn't seem to do quite the same thing as GEdit.
Tom, I have an idea that there is a find/copy/paste add-on for LO which
works on multiple files.  I used it when I was using LO for my writing
(I now use Scrivener for books and such).  I could change the name of a
character throughout a book with a simple command.

James

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?

[James Wilde]

Calc 50%
Writer 50%

On 2014-05-15 20:02, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
 I don't have a clue, but I guess something like this:
 Calc 998 ‰
 Draw 1 ‰
 Math ⅔ ‰
 Writer ⅓ ‰
 Base 0 ‰
 Impress 0 ‰

 But, as I said, I have no clue. Maybe it's even more Calc and less of the
 others.


 Johnny Rosenberg



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Re: [libreoffice-users] comment-807

[James Wilde]

On 2014-02-28 14:18, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I like Walther's and Jonathon's suggestions.  You guys still have time
 to register and post them yourselves.  If you are not Uk-resident and
 not English then i think you can still have your say.  you still have
 an hour or so to do this! :)


Not as easy as all that.  I tried to register last week, and am still
waiting for the confirmation message.  I tried again today with the same
details and was told that my chosen user name and my email address were
taken, but I still couldn't log in.

So I connected my trusty VPN link to the UK and registered with another
name and email address, and I'm _still_ waiting for the welcome message
to drop into my inbox.

:(

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Re: [libreoffice-users] comment-807

[James Wilde]

Hadn't got that far, Tom.  I hit the barrier at registering and didn't
go any further.

James

On 2014-02-28 16:22, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Give us the link to the post you want to reply to and the comment you
 wish to make and hopefully someone here can post it for you (e,
 and take the praise for it ;) )
 Regards from
 Tom :)


 On 28 February 2014 14:44, James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com wrote:
 On 2014-02-28 14:18, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I like Walther's and Jonathon's suggestions.  You guys still have time
 to register and post them yourselves.  If you are not Uk-resident and
 not English then i think you can still have your say.  you still have
 an hour or so to do this! :)


 Not as easy as all that.  I tried to register last week, and am still
 waiting for the confirmation message.  I tried again today with the same
 details and was told that my chosen user name and my email address were
 taken, but I still couldn't log in.

 So I connected my trusty VPN link to the UK and registered with another
 name and email address, and I'm _still_ waiting for the welcome message
 to drop into my inbox.

 :(

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Re: [libreoffice-users] two 2014 calendars on the Template Center - soon?

[James Wilde]

I've only looked at the A4 one.

Good job, looks fine.  Just for the record, what is your intended market
going to do with this?  It won't alert them to an impending event. 
Somehow you've made it so that if I press 'Return' I go to a new line
without it's creating a new line, and destroying the document which is good.

//James

On 2014-01-18 16:37, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

 I finally had some time to upload the A4 and Letter size 2014
 LibreOffice themed calendars to the Template Center.  They are in two
 different entries.

 LibreOffice-2014-Calendar--a4-landscape--white-banner-green4-weekends--monday-first.odt

 LibreOffice-2014-Calendar--letter-landscape--white-banner-green4-weekends--with-USA-Holidays.odt



 Now I wait for approval.

 These two calendars are also at:

 https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/Common/QA/Calendars#

 I do want input and comments for these calendars.  That is the only
 way I can make them better.

 The A4 calendar has Monday as the first day of the week, while the
 Letter/USA one uses our standard Sunday as the first day of the week.

 I used a white background LibreOffice banner found in the wiki pages.

 I used LO green #4 for the weekend background shading.

 The original template was a .doc file that needed a lot of editing to
 make it a LO themed calendar, plus the movement of all of the days
 left for the Monday first calendar.  I increased the size of the
 printed calendar to maximize the size of the day/cells but due to a
 quirk, I had to leave a wider bottom margin.  If I enlarge the
 height of the day/cells any more [for the most part], it seems that
 Writer wants to place the last line of days onto the next page.  Yes,
 as someone pointed out, I did not use proper styles options, but
 since I started with a .doc file, and I am not good at making/using
 styles, I did not do the larger amount of editing required to add a
 proper style to every cell that was either a weekday [white
 background], weekend day [LO green #4], or a blank cell [15% gray].

 Yes, I would not have this problem if I used Calc, but the original
 template was a .doc file, so Writer it was.

 Maybe, sometime in the future, I will create a Calc based 2015 calendar.

 The reason I like Writer based calendars is the simple fact that when
 I export it to PDF I have the entire year in the file.  I have not
 seen a way to do that with having 12 monthly sheets in Calc.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] two 2014 calendars on the Template Center - soon?

[James Wilde]

OK KPP, for that purpose it's fine.  And I like your idea of adding
pictures and stuff.

What I meant with pressing 'Return' without adding a line was that, very
often when you have a table, if you press 'Return' it creates a new line
in the document, and makes the particular cell larger than the others. 
This one doesn't, at least for the three lines I wrote.

//James

On 2014-01-19 15:58, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

 The market?  Well, every year I have to search the sites for a good
 printable calendar I can post on my refrigerator and write in any
 appointments that come up.  Then it is easy to see what is going on on
 my world without needing to look at my computer.  I usually post two
 months, this one and next, there.  Then near the end of the month I
 take, say, February's calendar and type in everything listed there and
 print it out so it looks neater.

 There are still a lot of people and places where printed calendars are
 needed/wanted.  So here is a LibreOffice themed one [A4 in your case,
 Letter in mine] to be used.  How many people have a family calendar
 where people write in events so everyone knows where the kids need
 to be at this event on this date?   I have a date book, but when I
 get home I will write down the meetings/appointments/etc. onto my
 printed calendar on my refrigerator, if the month for the event is
 posted there.  For me it is easier to quickly look at my refrigerator
 for what is going on and when than search through a weekly appointment
 book.

 It is also a tool that shows the LibreOffice name places where it
 would not be normally shown.  How many people have a calendar on
 their office wall to mark off the days and write down that there is
 going to be a meeting on such and such day?  I sure did.  Your
 coworkers might see the name listed there and ask about it.  There are
 other places where people use printed calendars posted on a wall or
 other place.  I use my refrigerator.  Others might use a door or wall
 in their home or office.

 Look at the calendar market.  It is big.  I was thinking that later
 someone could make a full photo style wall calendar where the
 modules, and other info about LO, could be where the top photo would
 be.  We deal with Lulu.com for our books, and they have a calendar
 service as well.  One of our members created a calendar with the
 module info along the side of the calendar instead on the top making
 it a single page.  If she took those graphics and placed them in a
 Lulu.com calendar template for each month, then she would have made
 a photo style wall calendar.  We have no control over the style of the
 calendar itself, except some limited ways to enter information in some
 of the day cells, say for holidays or events.  I have a friend who
 was given a Lulu.com made calendar [from her daughters] with photos of
 her family for each month.  It looked nice.

 

 As for the pressing return and goto new line without creating a new
 line, I do not know what you mean.

 Where are you doing this?  I do not remember seeing this happen when I
 was doing my editing.



 On 01/19/2014 08:21 AM, James Wilde wrote:
 I've only looked at the A4 one.

 Good job, looks fine.  Just for the record, what is your intended market
 going to do with this?  It won't alert them to an impending event.
 Somehow you've made it so that if I press 'Return' I go to a new line
 without it's creating a new line, and destroying the document which
 is good.

 //James

 On 2014-01-18 16:37, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
 I finally had some time to upload the A4 and Letter size 2014
 LibreOffice themed calendars to the Template Center.  They are in two
 different entries.

 LibreOffice-2014-Calendar--a4-landscape--white-banner-green4-weekends--monday-first.odt


 LibreOffice-2014-Calendar--letter-landscape--white-banner-green4-weekends--with-USA-Holidays.odt




 Now I wait for approval.

 These two calendars are also at:

 https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/Common/QA/Calendars#

 I do want input and comments for these calendars.  That is the only
 way I can make them better.

 The A4 calendar has Monday as the first day of the week, while the
 Letter/USA one uses our standard Sunday as the first day of the week.

 I used a white background LibreOffice banner found in the wiki pages.

 I used LO green #4 for the weekend background shading.

 The original template was a .doc file that needed a lot of editing to
 make it a LO themed calendar, plus the movement of all of the days
 left for the Monday first calendar.  I increased the size of the
 printed calendar to maximize the size of the day/cells but due to a
 quirk, I had to leave a wider bottom margin.  If I enlarge the
 height of the day/cells any more [for the most part], it seems that
 Writer wants to place the last line of days onto the next page.  Yes,
 as someone pointed out, I did not use proper styles options, but
 since I started with a .doc file, and I am not good at making/using

Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with libre

[James Wilde]

Hello David:

The two green buttons indicate to me that you - or someone for you -
have installed LibreOffice in a language other than US English, which
means that, when you click on the update button, you are taken to the
update page for the language variant on your machine.  In my case, for
example, I am led to the UK English page.

Installing LibreOffice is performed by first installing the US English
version, which is the default.  Then one installs over that a
language-specific modification, which provides such things as
dictionary, grammar help, etc.  The installer program is quite big and
can take a long time to download, but click on both green buttons so
that you have your language variant.

When they have both downloaded, double click on the installer program,
the larger one and when that has finished installing, then you can click
on the language-specific file.  And when that one is loaded, then you
have your new version ready to use.

Hope this helps.

//James

On 2014-01-09 17:28, David M. Pelly wrote:
 Hello Libre office Foundation,



 I am using Libre office on  Windows XP.

 Firefox is my preferred browser.

 I am not a techie.


 Your products are not user friendly to non techies, non geeks. Not dummy 
 proof. 




 My main expertise is email and websurfing.

 And I do some writing on libre office. 

 When I encounter something other than standard main functions  I usually get 
 lost and confused.


 Even explaining the problem that I encounter to you is difficult to explain.

 But here it is:


 The present problem is:

 Some how,  ( I think it is when I open or start up my computer,) I get a pop 
 up that there is a Libre office update.



 So I  click  to get the update.

 I get a webpage with two green buttons:

 Without
  going back there to that site to see what it actually exactly  says,  
 because I forget what they are exactly, but what ever they are, they are
  confusing, especially to a non techie, non geek.

 I think one button says it  is a  downloader or installer.

 The other is something else. ( It does not say, update software.) 


 That appears to mean that I need to use two functions.

 One to download an installer first.

 Then
  another one is required  to download the actual update software to the 
 installer, so the installer can install the software in my   Libre 
 office program.


 It does not say that, but it seems to imply that. 

 (Your
  products assume ( and take for granted)  that the user knows almost as 
 much as the actual designers and program developers. ) 



 Now I landed up clicking on some buttons, and there was no windows telling me 
 what was happening.

 As far as I thought at the time, I  did not get the update. I was ticked off. 



 At
  the same time: You also ask for donations.  So I  did donate $10.  I 
 ran into some confusions there too, but some how it at least appeared to
  go through.

 It is not entirely user friendly either.

 That should be cleared up and made dummy proof. 




 So I went back to my work on my Libre office program.

 And I still see the green something in the upper right hand corner.

  I click on it and it says there are updates for Libre.

 So therefore I thought  I did not get the updates.

 So I click on it and a window pops up and says that I have the 4.0.4.2 
 version.

 I think that is the new update version. (Maybe I am wrong.)

 If
  I am correct, why do you leave that green arrow up in the upper right 
 hand corner, telling me that there are new updates available?  After I 
 supposedly did get the update? 


 Those kinds of things drive me crazy!




 I just thought of another problem/ suggestion:

 Why don't you include an undo  feature on the  right click  window?

 That should be common sense.



 Another one:

 Some
  how when I was doing a lot of work on libre office,  I landed up with 
 some solid lines running across my page, which I cannot delete or 
 remove?

 Why?

 How can I remove them? 


 Another suggestion:

 When
  I am getting to the maximum data capacity of the  libre window I am 
 working in,  you should have an indicator pop up that tells the user 
 that  that  particular widow is reaching  it's maximum capacity  and  telling 
 the user to begin a new document.





 And
  also have  a clearly visible button for the user to send suggestions 
 for improvements  or to report problems with libre office? 








 I hope I have explained my self sufficiently well, so  that you understand 
 what I mean.



 And I am sure there are other problems that I do not know of or don't 
 remember. 







 David Pelly

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re Libre writer

[James Wilde]

Well, David, it looks like you managed to download and install the two
files in your other message.

LibreOffice writer is just one part of the program suite, and you have
the whole suite.  Everybody gets the whole suite.  Just writer is not
supplied alone since so much of the functionality is common to several
parts of the suite.

When you start LibreOffice you should see a page showing the various
parts of the suite and you can start a new Writer document by clicking
on the entry for Writer.  If you have already started a document, you
can click on 'Open' or *Recent' instead to see a list of your recent
documents.

Hope this helps.

//James

On 2014-01-09 17:46, David M. Pelly wrote:

 I want Libre office writer,

 I tried to download it from your website, which provided two green buttons.



 I clicked the first one, the  installer button.

 I think I have the installer installed.



 But your program does not give me the libre office writer program and the  
 facility to down load and install the actual libre writer.


 I looked all over for it and I can't find it.


 Once the installer is installed,  your site should automatically  return me 
 to the page that gives me the  button to download the actual writer program.

 If it is there, I  can't find it.

 Please help.





 David Pelly


 


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Re Libre writer

[James Wilde]

David, you sent your message to me alone.  When you reply, please click
on 'Reply to All' or you may see 'Reply to List', in which case click on
that.  That way your replies will go to the list, and anyone can see
what stage you have reached, and what your latest problem is, and can
help.  I'm not in the US or Canada.  I'm on the other side of the world,
so we'd have a problem finding a time when we are both awake and able to
make or take calls.

To start off with, please tell us what you have done to date.  Did you
find the program to install as Tom mentioned?  What have you used before
you decided to try LibreOffice?  Have you been using, say, Microsoft
Office?  It might be useful if you could tell us why you decided to try
LibreOffice.

//James

On 2014-01-09 18:15, David M. Pelly wrote:
 Jamie,

 I am lost.

 I don't see and can't find libre office writer  in my libre office.

 If you are the USA or Canada, give me your phone number and I will
 call you.
 ply to
 It is a free call for me.

 David

 
 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 18:02:58 +0100
 From: james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org; david.pe...@hotmail.ca
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re Libre writer

 Well, David, it looks like you managed to download and install the two
 files in your other message.

 LibreOffice writer is just one part of the program suite, and you have
 the whole suite.  Everybody gets the whole suite.  Just writer is not
 supplied alone since so much of the functionality is common to several
 parts of the suite.

 When you start LibreOffice you should see a page showing the various
 parts of the suite and you can start a new Writer document by clicking
 on the entry for Writer.  If you have already started a document, you
 can click on 'Open' or *Recent' instead to see a list of your recent
 documents.

 Hope this helps.

 //James

 On 2014-01-09 17:46, David M. Pelly wrote:

 I want Libre office writer,

 I tried to download it from your website, which provided two green 
 buttons.



 I clicked the first one, the  installer button.

 I think I have the installer installed.



 But your program does not give me the libre office writer program and 
 the  facility to down load and install the actual libre writer.


 I looked all over for it and I can't find it.


 Once the installer is installed,  your site should automatically  return 
 me to the page that gives me the  button to download the actual writer 
 program.

 If it is there, I  can't find it.

 Please help.





 David Pelly


 




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[libreoffice-users] Strange toolbar in writer

[James Wilde]

Don't know what I did to get it there, but just under the normal toolbar
(the one with text type, typeface and size etc) I have a very broad one
with, on the left, a button for New theme and under that a choice of
Backgrounds, Bullets, Homepage My Theme and Sounds, and to the right of
this menu list a whole series of what I would call wallpapers.

I don't see a cross I can click on to get rid of this toolbar, and I
can't find it under View.  How do I get rid of it so that I have more
space for my text?

TIA

//James

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Strange toolbar in writer

[James Wilde]

Thanks, Pedro, that did it.

On 2013-12-11 16:05, Pedro wrote:
 Hi James

 That is the Gallery. It is under Tools  Gallery
 Click on the menu item to show/hide

 Hope this helps ;)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Strange toolbar in writer

[James Wilde]

Thanks again!
On 2013-12-11 16:17, Pedro wrote:
 Hi again


 James Wilde wrote
 Thanks, Pedro, that did it.
 You are welcome ;)
 You can also hide/show by clicking on the Gallery button in the Standard
 Toolbar (usually the top one, with Open, Save, etc). It is the 4th button
 from the right. 
 (This is also a warning, because maybe that is how you got it on screen...)
I guess you are right, as I don't remember being in the Tools menu.  But
this document was open in a virtual machine, and there had been a bit of
panic about the machine shutting itself down when this Gallery thing
appeared, and I might have clicked on the toolbar in passing.

//J

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Re: Two copies of your messages Was: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [OT]Re: Re: automatic creation of template files

[James Wilde]

On 11 Oct 2011, at 13:07, Cor Nouws wrote:

 Andreas Säger wrote (11-10-11 12:55)
 Am 10.10.2011 22:58, Joep L. Blom wrote:
 Andreas,
 Off topic but I get consequently 2 copies of your messages. Is there a
 problem with your mail client?
 
 But the http archives do not show any duplicates.
 
 How about this one?
 
 Usually one comes via moderation and another one with delay ;-)

(Maybe moderated by someone else later?)

Well, Cor, I got two copies of this message (yours) and as far as I'm aware 
neither of them was moderated!

I have noticed that I have been getting a lot of duplicates for moderation 
recently.  I usually throw away the second one I get.  But I don't always 
notice.  Certain messages get approved as soon as I see the sender and/or 
subject.

//James

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Re: Two copies of your messages Was: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [OT]Re: Re: automatic creation of template files

[James Wilde]

On 11 Oct 2011, at 13:44, James Wilde wrote:

 
 On 11 Oct 2011, at 13:07, Cor Nouws wrote:
 
 Andreas Säger wrote (11-10-11 12:55)
 Am 10.10.2011 22:58, Joep L. Blom wrote:
 Andreas,
 Off topic but I get consequently 2 copies of your messages. Is there a
 problem with your mail client?
 
 But the http archives do not show any duplicates.
 
 How about this one?
 
 Usually one comes via moderation and another one with delay ;-)
 
 Well, Cor, I got two copies of this message (yours) and as far as I'm aware 
 neither of them was moderated!

Talking of which, I got two copies of my own message.  Did anyone else?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] delete/trash

[James Wilde]

Note to the list:  Aisha is not subscribed and will not receive email unless 
included in header.

Just a quick note to you, Alisha:  your reply came only to me.  I think you 
might have clicked 'Reply' when you answered, but it's better to click 'Reply 
All'.  Normally it's okay to click 'Reply' on messages from the mailing list, 
if you are subscribed to it.  You're apparently not subscribed yet, so your 
messages have to be approved by a moderator before they get to the list.  Once 
you're subscribed, you'll get all your messages from the list and send them all 
to the list but until then, if you don't click 'Reply All' they will only go to 
the person who sent you the email.  (You can subscribe by sending an empty 
email to users+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org from your normal email address, 
presumably the one you're using.)

If you check the list after you get this email, you'll see what I mean.  Your 
reply below will be missing from the thread.  Now the rest of my message will 
be inline.

On Oct 6, 2011, at 23:24 , themightygle...@gmail.com wrote:

 OH Thank you SO much for the reply James,
 
 I have 3 nautilus prog. available to install:actions configuration, scrips 
 manager  pastebin configurater. The descriptions of each are a little lost 
 on me as to how they would do the task you suggest. Can you help me determine 
 which I would need. I installed the actions config. but see no where an 
 option to access files with it. I'm sure it's quite simple  once I get the 
 hang of things will be fine, but until then I'm clueless : /
 thanks again,
 Ali

I don't know about the three programs you mention.  They might be specialist 
versions.  But if you have installed Ubuntu, you already have the default 
Nautilus installed, the one I mean and the one Tom Davies refers to in his post 
(see the mailing list).  Just double click on, say, your Home icon, and 
Nautilus will open.  It looks and acts rather like Windows Explorer.  If it's 
not on your desktop, you'll find Home under Places on the menu.  You'll also 
find Documents there, and it's likely your LibreOffice documents have landed 
there anyway, so you can open that folder instead.

 
 On , James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com wrote:
  Hi Alisha:
  
  
  
  An attempt to help you will be found inline.
  
  
  
  On Oct 5, 2011, at 22:19 , The Glenn's wrote:
  
  
  
   *Hi there,
  
   I'm new to ubuntu, REALLY liking it! One silly thing I need help with: HOW
  
   do I delete a doc? I made a new doc, but can't delete the old, no right
  
   click is availble  I don't see anywhere under any tab within libreoffice 
   to
  
   simple send to trash/delete? looked on forums  help on libre site, 
   nothing.
  
   THANKS SO MUCH for the help : )
  
   Ali
  
  
  
  Deleting a document is not something you do from within LibreOffice.  It's 
  something you do from the operating system.
  
  
  
  I suggest you open Nautilus in Ubuntu, navigate to the folder where the 
  document you wish to delete is located, and then try right click.
  
  
  
  Alternatively, if you save the new document with the same name as the old 
  one, LibreOffice should write over the old one, first asking you if this is 
  what you want.
  
  
  
  HTH
  
  
  
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Re: [libreoffice-users] delete/trash

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Hi Alisha:

An attempt to help you will be found inline.

On Oct 5, 2011, at 22:19 , The Glenn's wrote:

 *Hi there,
 I'm new to ubuntu, REALLY liking it! One silly thing I need help with: HOW
 do I delete a doc? I made a new doc, but can't delete the old, no right
 click is availble  I don't see anywhere under any tab within libreoffice to
 simple send to trash/delete? looked on forums  help on libre site, nothing.
 THANKS SO MUCH for the help : )
 Ali

Deleting a document is not something you do from within LibreOffice.  It's 
something you do from the operating system.

I suggest you open Nautilus in Ubuntu, navigate to the folder where the 
document you wish to delete is located, and then try right click.

Alternatively, if you save the new document with the same name as the old one, 
LibreOffice should write over the old one, first asking you if this is what you 
want.

HTH

//James
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Real Usenet newsgroups

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Well, there's a slight snag here, due to be solved real soon now.  As I 
understand it, the mailing list program used by libreoffice in its present 
version can not accept unmoderated posts sent via gmane unless the sender is 
also registered with libreoffice.  Also as I understand it, this is due to 
change in an upcoming version of the mailing list program.

This means you have two choices at present.

1. You can register with the libo mailing list using the -nomail parameter.  
This means that your posts via gmane get right through the system, but you 
don't get any emails.  You read the newsgroup in your nntp reader.  To use this 
option send an email from the same email account you registered with gmane to 
listname+subscribe-nom...@global.libreoffice.org.  Reply to the resulting 
email and you're done.  Listname for the users list is, of course, users.

2. You don't register with the libo mailing list, which means that, until the 
list manager is updated, your posts will come to one of the moderators to be 
approved before getting on the list.  Normally this seems to result in a delay 
to be reckoned in minutes rather than hours.

HTH

//James
One of the moderators

On Sep 26, 2011, at 17:47 , dave boland wrote:

 Ken,
 
 I'm sorry -- it looked like a web interface when I went to the page. 
 One question -- will I be able to post questions to the NG like I can
 with Ubuntu and Mepis?  If I have all of the functionality of a regular
 NG, then I'm good to go.  In the mean time, I'l have another look at
 Gmane.
 
 Dave,
 
 
 
 On Monday, September 26, 2011 8:58 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com
 wrote:
 On 9/26/11 8:19 AM, dave boland wrote:
 I'm not interested in a web based system -- too slow, reg, req'd., etc.
 Make it regular newsgroups like Ubuntu and Mepis.
 
 Dave,
 
 May I suggest you reread about Gmane?
 
 I read my chosen LO lists via the Gmane interface, and I read it as a 
 newsgroup in Thunderbird.  It's absolutely no different than when I read 
 the Mozilla groups, and eternal-september.org.
 
 I'll send you a screen shot if you'd like some evidence.  :-)
 
 -- 
 Ken
 
 Mac OS X 10.6.8
 Firefox 6.0.2
 Thunderbird 6.0.2
 LibreOffice 3.3.3
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Excel file in LibreOffice Calc

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On Sep 21, 2011, at 18:25 , Luciano R. Moreira - Desenvolvimento wrote:

 Hi,
 
  The problem is:
 
  - The date fields and values ??are being displayed in the program Open 
 Office / BR Office / LibreOffice with the character (apostrophe) and cause 
 error in the calculation of the value field because they are as text. Take 
 the example of incorrect visualization in OpenOffice / BROffice / 
 LibreOffice: '$ 100.00
 
 Is there any solution or configuration LibreOffice to view the date fields 
 and value to its corresponding type in the program Open Office or BROffice 
 or LibreOffice? Is there a solution to correctly view this way: $ 100.00?

Forgive a probably stupid input in this discussion, but your problem reminds me 
of one I had recently with gnucash.  Are you sure that there is complete 
agreement between the locale settings in a) your system, b) LibreOffice and c) 
your program?  In particular the system settings can be crucial, especially if 
you have a 'blended' so-called custom setting there.  You may, for example, 
have the US setting, modified to account for Brazilian variations.  In linux 
and on the Mac you can actually fix this using the LC_xxx locale settings, but 
I don't know how you would do this on Windows, and since you're also using 
Excel, you are presumably using Windows.

 
 Remember that Microsoft's Excel has no problems.

Regards,

//James
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with data conversion

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On Aug 29, 2011, at 16:12 , webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:

 
 Would you be willing to download/install 3.3.4 from 
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?
 I do not use the repository version, and I use Ubuntu 64bit 10.04.  You would 
 need to install in via the terminal, but 
 http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/ will walk you through 
 this.  No need to uninstall anything either.

Not ready for that yet.
 
 I wonder if adding the language packs could help you?  You will need to go to 
 3.3.4, unless someone has archived the nl - Nederlands pack for 3.3.3.  I 
 do not understand Asian characters, so I do not know if there is a Mandarin 
 language pack listed.

I have the Swedish and Chinese language packs installed already.
 
 You could also try this Dutch dictionary and see it it works.
 http://libreoffice-na.us/English/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/Dutch_spelling_and_hyphenation_Dictionary--nl-dict-v2.00g2010-09-22.oxt

:)  I take it you're confusing this thread with another about a problem with 
the Dutch language.  I assume you mean Swedish.

 
 As for the characters showing in LibreOffice - I am taking a guess here - 
 could it be something to do with the default font you are using for LO's 
 Calc?  Format  Character should place you to the dialog to set your default 
 font.  I would make sure your font is set for the same one you use in the 
 other applications.  As someone who has worked with collecting fonts [over 
 100,000 of them over the years] I find that many do not have some of the 
 non-English characters that are common in other languages. I would make sure 
 you use a good Unicode font [like Arial Unicode] and see if the problem goes 
 away.

Good try but no cigar.  I always use the same font, and it has both the Swedish 
letters and Mandarin characters.

//James
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with data conversion

[James Wilde]

A little more information:

On Aug 29, 2011, at 10:22 , James Wilde wrote:

 Can't think of a better subject line.
 
 This is about the Ubuntu repository version of LibO running under Ubuntu 
 11.04 linux.  The repository version is described as follows:
 
 LibreOffice 3.3.3
 OOO 330m 19 (Build:301)
 LibreOffice 3.3.3.1 Ubuntu package 1.3.3.3ubuntu2
 
 I have been testing Gnucash on linux, and in particular the ability to export 
 data to an html file and read that into other programs, specifically 
 LibreOffice Calc.  The whole process went excellently with one small 
 exception: the translation of the Swedish characters, å, ä and ö (and of 
 course the capitals, Å, Ä and Ö which I have not tested).

The html file quite clearly includes the following at the beginning:

meta http-equiv=content-type content=text-html; charset=utf-8

However, I have had the explanation that the conversion below is the result of 
LibO taking the input as ISO-8859-1 and converting it to UTF-8.  If someone in 
here can confirm this, I will write this up as a bug.  As mentioned below in 
the original mail, this does not occur on Windows, nor on the Mac. (I just 
tested it on the Mac).
 
 Instead of seeing each of the three letters, in each case I saw two 
 characters, Ã￥, for example instead of å.  I checked the three characters in 
 a hex editor, and found the following:
 
 å was represented by C3A5 in other applications, but as C383C2A5 in LibO
 ä was represented by C3A4 in other applications, but as C383C2A4 in LibO
 ö was represented by C3B6 in other applications, but as C383C2B6 in LibO
 
 I checked the original data in Gnucash, the intermediary form in the html 
 file and the contents of content.xml in LibO.  The first two had the short 
 form, LibO had the second form.
 
 I have also checked the same information in Windows, although I have not yet 
 used a hex editor in Windows.  Both Excel and LibO Calc imported the data 
 correctly, or rather, displayed it correctly.
 
 Before I report this as a bug, I'd like to be sure it's not something I'm 
 missing in my configuration.  All programs are set to use UTF-8, insofar as 
 one can set it in the program rather than in the operating system.
 
 A late thought occurs to me.  I use LibO Writer for writing Mandarin and have 
 set 'Enabled for Asian languages' under Languages.  Can this have affected 
 the way LibO translates the non-English characters?  Although LibO has 
 actually _added_ two bytes to the characters.
 
//James


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[libreoffice-users] Problem with data conversion

[James Wilde]

Can't think of a better subject line.

This is about the Ubuntu repository version of LibO running under Ubuntu 11.04 
linux.  The repository version is described as follows:

LibreOffice 3.3.3
OOO 330m 19 (Build:301)
LibreOffice 3.3.3.1 Ubuntu package 1.3.3.3ubuntu2

I have been testing Gnucash on linux, and in particular the ability to export 
data to an html file and read that into other programs, specifically 
LibreOffice Calc.  The whole process went excellently with one small exception: 
the translation of the Swedish characters, å, ä and ö (and of course the 
capitals, Å, Ä and Ö which I have not tested).

Instead of seeing each of the three letters, in each case I saw two characters, 
Ã￥, for example instead of å.  I checked the three characters in a hex editor, 
and found the following:

å was represented by C3A5 in other applications, but as C383C2A5 in LibO
ä was represented by C3A4 in other applications, but as C383C2A4 in LibO
ö was represented by C3B6 in other applications, but as C383C2B6 in LibO

I checked the original data in Gnucash, the intermediary form in the html file 
and the contents of content.xml in LibO.  The first two had the short form, 
LibO had the second form.

I have also checked the same information in Windows, although I have not yet 
used a hex editor in Windows.  Both Excel and LibO Calc imported the data 
correctly, or rather, displayed it correctly.

Before I report this as a bug, I'd like to be sure it's not something I'm 
missing in my configuration.  All programs are set to use UTF-8, insofar as one 
can set it in the program rather than in the operating system.

A late thought occurs to me.  I use LibO Writer for writing Mandarin and have 
set 'Enabled for Asian languages' under Languages.  Can this have affected the 
way LibO translates the non-English characters?  Although LibO has actually 
_added_ two bytes to the characters.

Regards

//James


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[libreoffice-users] Problems with Lion?

[James Wilde]

Running v3.3.2 on Mac OSX recently upgraded to Lion (10.7.1)

Lion has had its teething troubles, and I seem to remember seeing a comment in 
here about a problem with running LibO on Lion.  So far I've not had any 
troubles, but I was wondering.

Does it make any difference which version one is running?

TIA

//James
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problems with Lion?

[James Wilde]

On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:38 , Tom Davies wrote:

 Hi :)
 I think the 3.3.2 should be fine.  Have you had any troubles so far?  
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
No, no problems so far, but I was considering an upgrade.

//J


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problems with Lion?

[James Wilde]

Thanks to Webmaster and Tom for their info.  There's fortunately no panic to 
upgrade.

//J

On Aug 26, 2011, at 14:28 , webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:

 
 3.4.3 out August 31st and 3.4.4 out October 5th, then 3.4.5 - November 23rd 
 and 3.4.6 - February 22nd.
 The 3.3.x line stops at 3.3.5 due out on October 19th.
 The 3.5.x line starts February 8th 2012.
 It will be interesting when we have 3.3.5 supported till October 2012, and 
 have 3.4.x and 3.5.x lines supported at the same time.  Should we use 3.3.5, 
 3.4.6, or the new 3.5.x version?  That is the question.  People will have 
 many different answers about why you should use 3.3.x, 3.4.x, or 3.5.x lines.
 
 On 08/26/2011 08:17 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 If you can wait for about a week that might be best.  The all new 3.4.3 is 
 due
 out at the end of August
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
 
 If you have to upgrade then the 3.3.4 is the most stable but the 3.4.2 has 
 more
   newer features.  If you can wait a week until the 3.4.3 then that should
 combine stability with the newer features too.
 
 
 I'm still happily staying with the 3.3.2.  Just because there are newer 
 release
 doesn't mean you have got to use them.  LibreOffice development is very
 aggressive and difficult to keep-up with if you look after a lot of other
 machines.  I would tend to have 2 versions of LibreOffice installed on my 
 main
 machine
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
 and then most other  machines would have the stable version only.
 
 I think it's worth avoiding a scenario where you wipe off something you know
 works well in order to  upgrade to something you haven't tried on that 
 machine.
 OpenSource products tend to make it easy to run more than one of a type of
 product so that you can compare or migrate at your own pace.  It's been a bit
 tricky with LibreOffice / OpenOffice which is why the special instructions 
 were
 written.
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
 
 Good luck and regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 
 
 
 From: James Wildejames.wi...@sunde-wilde.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Fri, 26 August, 2011 12:29:58
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problems with Lion?
 
 
 On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:38 , Tom Davies wrote:
 
 Hi :)
 I think the 3.3.2 should be fine.  Have you had any troubles so far?
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 No, no problems so far, but I was considering an upgrade.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice work-flow?

[James Wilde]

Hej Ulrik:  Comments inline.

On Aug 25, 2011, at 16:32 , Ulrik Långström wrote:

 How do people use LibreOffice effectively?

In order for us to be able to answer that, it might be a good idea if you tell 
us how you work with LaTeX and HTML.  For example, do you write the whole 
document and then begin formatting it, adding whatever codes you need to create 
a header, body text, bold and italics and so on, or do you add these codes as 
you go along?
 
 It's been about 15 years since I used programs like LibreOffice (MS Word at 
 the time) to write documents. Maybe a single page or two, but not anything 
 with a structure.
 
 Whenever I needed to write longer documents, with headings, references 
 quotes, sections et cetera; I used LaTeX and lately HTML.

You mention 'longer' documents.  Do you mean documents with chapters or at 
least sections?  Do they have a table of contents?  An index?  Do they include 
graphics of some kind?  If you are into _really_ long documents, like books, 
you will probably want to look at master documents.  These can be thought of as 
a document containing other documents, rather like the include statement in a 
program - since you use LaTeX I assume you're a unix/linux user.  A master 
document allows you to create your long document in passable chunks, which 
don't necessarily have to be a chapter, they can be bigger or smaller.  You 
just hang them together at the end to get your book.  And if your chunks are 
small enough you can easily rearrange them to improve the structure of your 
work.
 
 Now I need to use LibreOffice, because everyone else at my job does, and it's 
 been driving me crazy. As I was trying to insert a few excerpts into my 
 documents, it stuck me: maybe I'm used to a completely different work-flow 
 than what is expected by LibreOffice, and that's why nothing makes sense and 
 things that should be easy seem impossible.

Assuming you do write your whole document in more or less continuous text 
without bothering about formatting until you're done with an acceptable draft, 
you now put on your formatting cap, and, as Tom says, there are various ways to 
format text.  Basically they are all about marking the text you want to format, 
and choosing the format either by clicking an icon or entering a keyboard 
shortcut.  In this case, by contrast with HTML (don't know about LaTeX) you get 
to see the effect of your change immediately, and can reverse it with two 
clicks.

Some of your formatting you can do more or less automatically, for example, if 
you want to format each chapter with a header in 14pt 3 cm down the page, and 
continue with double spacing, you can set up a default document with those 
characteristics, and just enter your text, and it will be formatted 
automatically for you.

Hope this helps.

//James

 
 So my question is: How do you work with LibreOffice? Does anyone have any 
 personal anecdotes about moving from LaTeX or HTML to LibreOffice?
 
 /Ulrik
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] strikethrough feature

[James Wilde]

Hi Maria and welcome.  Answer inline.

On Aug 25, 2011, at 22:47 , Maria Rechnitzer wrote:

 Dear Support,
 when word processing in microsoft office (doc or xls) there is a
 strikethrough feature that allows you to mark words that you want to delete
 but stIll keep them in the text, e.g. strikethrough.
 I was not able to find this feature in Libre Office (also not in former Open
 Office). Is there such a feature? If not I suggest to add it next to the
 bold, italic and underline feature.

Mark the text you wish to strike through, then choose Format/Character/Font 
effects.  There you will find bold, italic, and a host of others, including 
strike through.

//James
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Re: [libreoffice-users] strikethrough feature

[James Wilde]

Silly me.  The OP is not subscribed, so won't get messages sent to the list 
unless she is cc'd.  I should have known that.  I authorised her message.  
Here's my reply again.

Hi Maria and welcome.  Answer inline.

On Aug 25, 2011, at 22:47 , Maria Rechnitzer wrote:

 Dear Support,
 when word processing in microsoft office (doc or xls) there is a
 strikethrough feature that allows you to mark words that you want to delete
 but stIll keep them in the text, e.g. strikethrough.
 I was not able to find this feature in Libre Office (also not in former Open
 Office). Is there such a feature? If not I suggest to add it next to the
 bold, italic and underline feature.

Mark the text you wish to strike through, then choose Format/Character/Font 
effects.  There you will find bold, italic, and a host of others, including 
strike through.

//James
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[libreoffice-users] base/calc system for membership records

[James Wilde]

Hi:

I have been trying to find a simple template/extension which will help us 
maintain a membership register comprising 2-300 names.  It can be base or calc 
underneath the hood, but it would be nice if it provided forms for updating the 
register, and possibly a way to select names for address labels.  We need to 
select on such criteria as those without an email address, those who have not 
paid this year's membership fee, etc.

I've tried to find my way around both the LibO and OOo template/extension 
sites, but I obviously don't think the same way as the person(s) who organised 
them.  Even Google has stopped being my friend.

TIA for any suggestions.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] base/calc system for membership records

[James Wilde]

On Jul 26, 2011, at 17:58 , Andy Brown wrote:

 James Wilde wrote:
 Hi:
 
 I have been trying to find a simple template/extension which will help us 
 maintain a membership register comprising 2-300 names.  It can be base or 
 calc underneath the hood, but it would be nice if it provided forms for 
 updating the register, and possibly a way to select names for address 
 labels.  We need to select on such criteria as those without an email 
 address, those who have not paid this year's membership fee, etc.
 
 I've tried to find my way around both the LibO and OOo template/extension 
 sites, but I obviously don't think the same way as the person(s) who 
 organised them.  Even Google has stopped being my friend.
 
 TIA for any suggestions.
 
 //James
 
 James,
 
 I can not help with a template but if your going to do it yourself I would 
 recommend [1] as a starting point.  The document gives very good information 
 on database design that is usable with any db engine.
 
 [1] http://openoffice.org/projects/documentation/downloads/directory/Base

Thanks, Andy, I'll take a look at that tomorrow.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

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On Jun 20, 2011, at 09:23 , Stephan Zietsman wrote:

 Roxy Robinson wrote:
  From what I know you have to use Paste Special for what you want to do. 
 Paste Special
 has several options that you must choose from, so you cannot set it to do 
 only one
 
 Just to elaborate:  you can perform a Paste Special by pressing
 CTRL+SHIFT+V (instead of the regular paste, which is CTRL+V).  There
 should then be an option Unformatted text.

And at least on the Mac you can press Cmd+Shift+Alt+V and the text will be 
inserted at the cursor point in the format of the document you are pasting to, 
not the format of the text in the document you took it from.  This is 
apparently not documented anywhere.  Very useful.  But I've not been able to 
find a way to change the key combination to something simpler.  If you're not 
using a Mac, you can test Ctrl+Shift+Alt+V and maybe let us know.

Presumably there is a key combination which would paste it in the format of the 
originating document, but who on earth would want that?  :)

//James

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO MailList

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Hi Ian:

Send an email from your normal email address to 
users+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org.  You will get an email in return, to 
which you must reply and then you are subscribed to the list.

If I'd been a little more awake when I saw your message, I'd have responded to 
it directly instead of allowing it to be posted here.  Sorry, everyone else on 
the list.

//James
One of the list moderators

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is this list unmoderated?

[James Wilde]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 01:28 , plino wrote:

 It is benevolently moderated in the sense that real spam and commercial
 spammers are eliminated. 

Correct.
 
 But I haven't noticed any post from a real user being eliminated or any user
 banned.

Well, by definition, you wouldn't!  :)
 
 I guess some of the off-topic can be annoying but that is the price of
 freedom of speech ;)

This is exactly the situation.  In the OOo and LibO world, a moderator is a 
final spam filter.  We cannot move an email sent to users to, say, discuss if 
it is more appropriate there.  We cannot ban a user although I suppose we could 
warn one, but what's the point of a warning one can't enforce?  On the LibO 
list we cannot yet even make changes to, say, the subject line, to indicate 
that it has been moderated and that the OP must be included in the list of 
recipients if (s)he is to see the reply.  It's my understanding that OOo 
moderators can do this, and I hope we will one day be able to also.

Personally I think mailing lists are so last century and nerdy, and that we 
should be using a forum which non-technical users like, and then there would be 
some justification for calling us moderators.  Unfortunately tptb are also so 
last century and nerdy!  :)  But as long as we have the mailing list form, 
being a final spam filter is something I can do to advance the software I use 
and like, which development work I can't.

//James
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Re: [libreoffice-users] new to list

[James Wilde]

Welcome to the list, Flos.

Here you'll find all the help you'll need to use LibreOffice.  The help is all 
provided by volunteers, users like yourself.

//James

On May 25, 2011, at 18:25 , Phil Headford wrote:

 Hello, I'm new to the list.
 My name is Phil Headford, but most people call me Flos.
 I'm a retired designer of satellites, and a fiddle player for English folk 
 dancing.
 I'm hoping to use Scribus to produce The Old Swan Band Tunebook, and the 
 Shropshire area folk magazine, Shreds and Patches.
 I'm also familiarising myself  with LibreOffice.
 I shall be mostly lurking until I've learnt a bit more about both.
 Regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Startup with Calc on OSX

[James Wilde]

Another way is to install an extension which gives you the same choice.  The 
details are:

It is an extension. DisableStartModule.oxt 0.0.1.
(available at  http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=90815 )

This information courtesy of Larry Gusaas of this list, with grateful thanks.

Note that it is an OpenOffice extension, but it works perfectly well on 
LibreOffice.

//James

On May 11, 2011, at 19:20 , Badbugs wrote:

 Erich Neuwirth erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at writes:
 
 open LibreOffice.app --args -calc
 
 
 I would like to immediately open Calc when I start LibreOffice on OSX
 since I am using this component in most cases.
 Is there a way of configuring LibreOffice that way on OSX?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: all good, different languages are good to see :) Re: [libreoffice-users] Sorry, wrong mailing list

[James Wilde]

On May 11, 2011, at 18:11 , luiz wrote:

 Hi,
 
 On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 12:42 -0300, luiz wrote:
 Let's do a big celebration of Pentecost. All speaking in different
 languages ​​and everyone getting along. (Is that possible?) ;)
 
 From what I have seen, not understanding the language might go quite a
 way toward everyone getting along :-).
 
 
 Really, it's true, Barbara. :D

But it looks like we've frightened the OP!  He's not been back.

//James

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing Japanese in Libre Office Writer (typing furigana)

[James Wilde]

On May 9, 2011, at 07:51 , Troy Testing Desu wrote:

 It seems like I solved my own problem, with the help of others.
 I accomplished typing furigana over kanji by selecting the kanji, format 
 asian phonetic guide and typing the characters.

Just checked out furigana.  So a question I maybe should ask on the Chinese 
list:  does anyone know whether there is an easy way to insert pinyin over 
Chinese characters in a similar way to furigana with Japanese?

TIA

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Date format in template

[James Wilde]

On Apr 30, 2011, at 13:25 , xwolf wrote:

 Hi James
 
 The following solution might be of interest if you want to permanently change
 all LibreOffice's behaviour to use the ISO date format.
 
 So I did the following (LibreOffice 3.3.2, on Windows XP):
 ** In a hex-editor (HxD for example), I opened C:\Program Files\LibreOffice
 3\program\localedata_en.dll. (DLL version 3.03.202)
 ** PS: Make a backup of this file before you try this!
 ** At offset BB44 I found the following unicode string: MM/DD/YY - you 
 might
 find this string at some other offset...
 ** I changed it (unicode!) to /MM/DD - which I wanted.
 ** (PS: make sure you stay consistent with the 00 filler bytes that unicode
 strings require for this to work)
 
 This worked for me :D - even files that were created before this modification
 now showed their dates in the /mm/dd format. 8-)
 
 Final thought: It would be nice if the developers added an option Don't use
 locales or a NoLanguage language option - this would make this sort of
 workaround unnecessary.
 

Thanks, Xwolf.  In my case the problem proved to be a corrupt configuration 
file.  Unfortunately the config file is not what I would call user friendly, so 
just which bit of it was corrupt I'm not able to say.  I simply renamed it and 
the system created a new one for me.  Haven't noticed anything else that had 
altered.

//James

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Re: [libreoffice-users] HTML entities

[James Wilde]

On Apr 29, 2011, at 04:43 , rich...@hornick.us rich...@hornick.us wrote:

 How do I unsubscribe from this list? I have tried everything with no
 success. The note below: 
 
 Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org
 
 Makes no sense. What instructions??? E-mail WHAT to that address?
 HELP
 
Send an empty email to users+h...@libreoffice.org and you will get an email 
back with examples of various commands.  There are several relating to getting 
off the list, since there are several ways to get onto the list, depending on 
whether you opt to get copies of messages as they come or in a daily digest, 
etc.

It is likely that you made a simple subscription, so try sending an empty email 
from the same email address that you used to subscribe to 
users+unsubscr...@libreoffice.org.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] how to use japanese ore other language fonts

[James Wilde]

On Apr 20, 2011, at 09:14 , Rewarp wrote:

 こんにちは、あきこさん。
 
 You do have a weird problem. I have had no problems inputting Japanese into
 OpenOffice (and now LibreOffice). I am also using Lucid Lynx. Does copy and
 paste work correctly for Japanese?
 
 Other than that, what input method are you using for Japanese? I tried Anthy
 (m17n) and reverted back to Anthy as the former was buggy.

I agree with Rewarp, this is where I had the most problems, finding an input 
method that worked in Ubuntu.  There are reports that Ibus is buggy, and 
recommendations to use alternatives (can't remember the name now).  I tried 
these and found them equally buggy.  Then suddenly I started Ubuntu one day and 
Ibus worked just like the system on my Mac.  I believe the change was after I 
had done the latest upgrade, and I am now using kernel 2.6.32.30, on Ubuntu 
10.4.  Unfortunately (for testing) I'm not often in Ubuntu now, since 
everything works so well on the various Macs.

(Just fired up Ubuntu and tested - still works fine.  I'm using Chinese 
py(m17n) input method.)
 
 P.S. In fact, my default Asian Language is Chinese (Simplified).

PS My default Asian language is also Chinese (Simplified) :)

 
 On 20 April 2011 04:05, Haruka Akiko haruka.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Il 19/04/2011 20:59, Tom Davies ha scritto:
 
 Hi :)
 
 I think you are saying that you don't want to change the UI to Japanese
 and also
 want to keep the global settings for the operating system (Ubuntu) as
 non-Japanese.
 
 All you want is to get the dictionaries and thesaurus in LibreOffice to
 correctly spell-check documents written in Japanese (or as they are being
 written).
 
 
 Thanks Tom, this exactly what I meant. I'd like that my Operating
 System/LibreOffice UI remain in Italian or in English, but I need
 dictionaries and a way to write in japanese kanji/kana for my traning in
 this language e for write documents for japanese speaker
 
 
 
 What i don't understand is why it is not already working!  It 'should' be
 working just fine!  Presumably you  have already tried
 
 Tools - Options - + Language - Languages - Enhanced language support
 and ticked the Enabled for Asian languages tick-box?  Then that should
 have
 allowed you to change the section above
 Tools - Options - + Language - Languages - Default languages for
 documents -
 Asian - Japanese
 
 I've already tried but it seems it doesn't work. I'm wondering if I didn't
 install everything what is needed. Maybe something lacks, now I'm searching
 in the extension list.
 
 
 At least i think that is how it works??  Sorry i don't really know so
 please let
 us know how this goes especially if you haven't already tried it.
 Apols and regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 Thanks and regards
 Akiko
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Haruka Akikoharuka.ak...@gmail.com
 To: users@libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tue, 19 April, 2011 18:54:24
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] how to use japanese ore other language fonts
 
 Dear all,
 I've a problem about writing in japanese language with libreoffice (
 formely
 I've had the same problem with openoffice and I' wasn't able to get rid of
 it).
 I'm on Ubuntu 10.4 and Kubuntu 10.4
 Usually, when I need to write using japanese scripture I use Ibus with
 appropriate setting (only on Gnome). This works fine for the web browser
 and
 other applications but it doesn't work with libreoffice.
 I've tried to set japanese as default language for the currente document
 but
 it doesn't work.
 Maybe I have to install a thesaurus or a vocabulary but I wasn't able to
 find
 what install and how make it work.
 
 I don't need to change the whole interface using a language pack, for
 example,
 because I'm still learning this language and I'd hardly understand a whole
 japanese LibreOffice interface.
 Excuse me if the question don't seem clear, maybe someone of you use
 japanese
 and can help me?
 
 apologize my errors
 
 Akiko
 
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[libreoffice-users] The text:s/ tag

[James Wilde]

If this is a double post I apologise.  I can't see that the original message 
has appeared, neither in my in-box (no, I don't use gmail) nor in nabble.

I have had a problem arise in connection with converting an odt file to another 
format, mobi.  The problem is apparently caused by a mistranslation of a tag 
which occurs very often in LibO (and OOo) documents, the text:s/ tag.

From an examination of an odt file and its components, it appears that 
virtually every sentence has a text:s/ tag, sometimes more than one, but I 
have not been able to find any definition of this tag in the Open Document 
Foundation specification.  I have seen it used once in a sample of code, but 
the sample was presenting a different tag.

Can someone please give me a pointer to a document that includes and explains 
this tag.

TIA

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer document appears differently on two differen PC's

[James Wilde]

On Mar 28, 2011, at 20:28 , Andy Brown wrote:

 Mark Stanton wrote:
 I have a document that spans two pages when viewed/edited on one
 computer but is only one page when viewed/edited from the other
 computer on my network.
 
 All the page settings appear the same when viewed from either
 computer (how could they be different?)
 
 Can there be any personal settings influencing this?  That's the only
 (sensible) reason I can think of for the discrepancy, but I haven't
 been able to find any.
 
 Additionally, when printed from the computer that (correctly) shows
 the document as being only one page, LO prints a second, blank, page
 for each correct page of the document (when it's mail merged).
 
 There are frames on the page and this/these seem to be rendered
 differently on each computer.  I started to check their options and
 they appeared to be the same, but of course they do, it's the same
 file!  How can there be a difference in rendering?
 
 Is this a known issue?  If not I'll post it and the example file as a
 bug report, but I thought I'd ask here first.
 
 Regards
 Mark Stanton
 One small step for mankind...
 
 First are the fonts used on both computers?
 
 Second check the File- Print libreOffice Writer tab and see if the Print 
 automatically inserted blank pages box is checked.
 

Another thought that occurs to me, although I guess you'll have checked this.  
Do you have the same default printer on both machines?

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[libreoffice-users] Ruler settings hard coded on Mac

[James Wilde]

I'm using Mac OSX 10.6.6. and have now upgraded to 3.3.2 since I discovered I 
was using 3.3.0 and thought my problem might have been fixed.

I suddenly noted that, when I was adjusting a style, the indents were in 
characters and the space before and after a paragraph were in lines and not in 
centimetres (I use cm for both).  So I went into Preferences/LibreOffice 
Writer/View and changed both values to centimetres.  Saved, went back to 
adjusting my style, found it was still characters and lines.  Went back to 
Preferences/LibreOffice Writer/View and right enough, it had reset to char and 
line.  So I set both to centimetres again, and the same thing happened.

I quit LibreOffice, removed my profile by renaming ~/Library/Application 
Support/Libreoffice to ~/Library/Application Support/LibO and restarted 
LibreOffice.  Opened a text document, went into Preferences/LibreOffice 
Writer/View and changed char and line to centimetre, went into my open document 
and began to create a new style.  Sure enough, the indents were in char and not 
centimetre and the spacing was in lines and not centimetres.

Now I have upgraded, and the indents and spacing are at last in centimetres, 
but in Preferences/LibreOffice Writer/View it is still showing char and line.

Now I have to start rebuilding my profile, reinserting all the extensions and 
templates, and hoping nothing breaks.  sigh.  But how do I get 
Preferences/LibreOffice Writer/View to show the type of value that I want - and 
for the moment have?

TIA

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Ruler settings hard coded on Mac

[James Wilde]

On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:42 , Manfred J. Krause wrote:

 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:59, Manfred J. Krause wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:50, James Wilde wrote:
 [...]
 I quit LibreOffice, removed my profile by renaming ~/Library/Application 
 Support/Libreoffice to ~/Library/Application Support/LibO and restarted 
 LibreOffice.  [...]
 
 [...]
 
 Now I have to start rebuilding my profile, reinserting all the extensions 
 and templates, and hoping nothing breaks.  sigh.  But how do I get 
 Preferences/LibreOffice Writer/View to show the type of value that I want - 
 and for the moment have?
 
 [...]
 
 Go to
 Preferences  LibreOffice Writer  General 
 Settings
 [ ] Enable char unit
 (disable this option) [...]
 
 Addendum:
 You don't need to customize a new profile.
 Sure, you can rename/reactivate your original user profile.
 :-)
 

Double, no quadruple, no, dammit, octuple thanks for that!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Ruler settings hard coded on Mac

[James Wilde]

On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:59 , Manfred J. Krause wrote:

 Hi,
 
 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:50, James Wilde wrote:
 I'm using Mac OSX 10.6.6. and have now upgraded to 3.3.2 since I discovered 
 I was using 3.3.0 and thought my problem might have been fixed.
 
 I suddenly noted that, when I was adjusting a style, the indents were in 
 characters and the space before and after a paragraph were in lines and not 
 in centimetres (I use cm for both).  So I went into Preferences/LibreOffice 
 Writer/View and changed both values to centimetres.  Saved, went back to 
 adjusting my style, found it was still characters and lines.  Went back to 
 Preferences/LibreOffice Writer/View and right enough, it had reset to char 
 and line.  So I set both to centimetres again, and the same thing happened.
 
 I quit LibreOffice, removed my profile by renaming ~/Library/Application 
 Support/Libreoffice to ~/Library/Application Support/LibO and restarted 
 LibreOffice.  Opened a text document, went into Preferences/LibreOffice 
 Writer/View and changed char and line to centimetre, went into my open 
 document and began to create a new style.  Sure enough, the indents were in 
 char and not centimetre and the spacing was in lines and not centimetres.
 
 Now I have upgraded, and the indents and spacing are at last in centimetres, 
 but in Preferences/LibreOffice Writer/View it is still showing char and line.
 
 Now I have to start rebuilding my profile, reinserting all the extensions 
 and templates, and hoping nothing breaks.  sigh.  But how do I get 
 Preferences/LibreOffice Writer/View to show the type of value that I want - 
 and for the moment have?
 
 I assume that Asian language support is enabled
 (Language Settings  Languages  Enhanced language support).
 
 Go to
 Preferences  LibreOffice Writer  General 
 Settings
 [ ] Enable char unit
 (disable this option)
 
 Screenshot:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19264180/LibO/disable_char_unit.png
 
 See also:
 Bug 32684 - Ruler view displays in char measurement and always
 reverts back to this upon restart
 Status: RESOLVED FIXED
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32684
 
 That works fine now with LibO 3.3.2 on WinXP.

Incidentally, having done all that, and changed the measurement unit also on 
Preferences/LibreOffice Writer/General to centimetres, I note that both the 
Grid page and the Table page still show values in inches and not in 
centimetres.  If I change them, they change back.  This won't bother me since I 
don't bother with those settings, but I thought it worth mentioning.

//James
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ruler settings hard coded on Mac

[James Wilde]

On Mar 27, 2011, at 18:01 , Harold Fuchs wrote:

 On 27/03/2011 15:19, James Wilde wrote:
 
 On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:59 , Manfred J. Krause wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:50, James Wilde wrote:
 I'm using Mac OSX 10.6.6. and have now upgraded to 3.3.2 since I 
 discovered I was using 3.3.0 and thought my problem might have been fixed.
 
 I suddenly noted that, when I was adjusting a style, the indents were in 
 characters and the space before and after a paragraph were in lines and 
 not in centimetres (I use cm for both).  So I went into 
 Preferences/LibreOffice Writer/View and changed both values to 
 centimetres.  Saved, went back to adjusting my style, found it was still 
 characters and lines.  Went back to Preferences/LibreOffice Writer/View 
 and right enough, it had reset to char and line.  So I set both to 
 centimetres again, and the same thing happened.
 
 I quit LibreOffice, removed my profile by renaming ~/Library/Application 
 Support/Libreoffice to ~/Library/Application Support/LibO and restarted 
 LibreOffice.  Opened a text document, went into Preferences/LibreOffice 
 Writer/View and changed char and line to centimetre, went into my open 
 document and began to create a new style.  Sure enough, the indents were 
 in char and not centimetre and the spacing was in lines and not 
 centimetres.
 
 Now I have upgraded, and the indents and spacing are at last in 
 centimetres, but in Preferences/LibreOffice Writer/View it is still 
 showing char and line.
 
 Now I have to start rebuilding my profile, reinserting all the extensions 
 and templates, and hoping nothing breaks.sigh.  But how do I get 
 Preferences/LibreOffice Writer/View to show the type of value that I want 
 - and for the moment have?
 
 I assume that Asian language support is enabled
 (Language Settings  Languages  Enhanced language support).
 
 Go to
 Preferences  LibreOffice Writer  General
 Settings
 [ ] Enable char unit
 (disable this option)
 
 Screenshot:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19264180/LibO/disable_char_unit.png
 
 See also:
 Bug 32684 - Ruler view displays in char measurement and always
 reverts back to this upon restart
 Status: RESOLVED FIXED
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32684
 
 That works fine now with LibO 3.3.2 on WinXP.
 
 Incidentally, having done all that, and changed the measurement unit also on 
 Preferences/LibreOffice Writer/General to centimetres, I note that both the 
 Grid page and the Table page still show values in inches and not in 
 centimetres.  If I change them, they change back.  This won't bother me 
 since I don't bother with those settings, but I thought it worth mentioning.
 
 //James
 I don't know what passes for an Administrator (Windows) or Root (*nix) 
 account on a Mac but, when you try to change the units, are you logged in as 
 one? Do you need to be? Is there something peculiar to your particular 
 installation that requires that you are?
 
No, Harold, thanks, but that's not the answer.  When I made the change, the 
value for tab stops (on the same page) changed.  And I am the administrator.

//J


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Startup options

[James Wilde]

On Mar 26, 2011, at 00:07 , Len Philpot wrote:

 [ From users@libreoffice.org (NoOp) on Friday, March 25, 2011 ]
 
 I reckon that you can do the same on a Mac - why don't you give it a try
 and let us know?
 
 Unless Apple has done something very weird*, I'd guess it would work. OS/X 
 is, after all, BSD unix underneath, right? But, I don't have a Mac handy to 
 confirm.
 
 * always possible :-)
 

/Applications/Additions/LibreOffice.app/Contents/program/soffice -?

LibreOffice 3.3  330m19(Build:6)

Usage: soffice [options] [documents...]

Options:

-minimizedkeep startup bitmap minimized.
-invisibleno startup screen, no default document and no UI.
-norestoresuppress restart/restore after fatal errors.
-quickstart   starts the quickstart service
-nologo   don't show startup screen.
-nolockcheck  don't check for remote instances using the installation
...
etc

Check the path.  I have an extra folder (Additions) for things I've added.  
ymmv.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Startup options

[James Wilde]

On Mar 24, 2011, at 02:19 , Michel Gagnon wrote:

 Le 2011-03-23 19:23, Andy Brown a écrit :
 Roger Stein wrote:
 Is there any way to start any of the individual Libre Office
 applications so that you don't automatically go back to the Application
 Menu when you close a document? For example, I open a writer document,
 edit it, and then close it and remain in the writer application.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Roger Stein
 
 On the upper right end of the top Menu Bar is an X box, click that and 
 Writer will close and leave you in the Start screen. The Start/Splash is the 
 same screen you get if you start soffice instead of one of the programs.
 
 HTH
 
 
 Yes indeed. However, if I understand correctly the question, Roger wants to 
 know if there is a way to keep a standard Write window open, but with a grey 
 work zone, just like what happens with Microsoft Windows.
 
 To that, I'll say NO. I would add that most (all?) modules of LibreOffice are 
 more tightly integrated than those of Microsoft Office, so no time or 
 resources are wasted by loading the start screen.

But in MS Word, when one closes the last open document, the grey screen is not 
a new document that you can start typing in - it's just background.  You still 
have to click on File/New or File/Open.  Personally I also found the Start 
screen (where one can choose a type of document or open a template) a bit of a 
nuisance.  Someone reported on a way to skip that screen both at start-up and 
on closing a document back in the days before LibO, and I implemented it, and 
carried my profile over to LibO, so it works that way.  LibO now starts 
directly into a Writer doc (NOTE: I do NOT have a script that calls LibO with a 
parameter).  I'm not sure whether it was in the preferences, or somewhere in 
the menu system that this setting was found, but it was well-hidden.

Unfortunately, I have forgotten how it was done, and I haven't yet been able to 
find the original references to it by searching the archives at OOo.

If anyone sees this and remembers, please let me know.  It will also help the 
OP.

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[libreoffice-users] Problem with java x.x.24

[James Wilde]

There was a post in here recently about the latest java update, version 
1.6.0_24, causing problems with Base.  I'm getting a lot of encouragement from 
both my Macs to upgrade to this version, which I'm resisting hard, but I just 
wanted to know whether anyone knows whether the problem is fixed, either in 
Base or in Java.

The problem is described in this thread:

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Problem-with-Base-in-3-3-1-tt2576579.html#none

TIA

//James
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[libreoffice-users] Convert formulae to actual

[James Wilde]

I have a calc sheet with full names in one column, thus:

John Smith
Jane Smollett

I want to create a column with forenames and one with surnames.  I've created 
an extra column with the position of the space between first name and last name 
(in the cases above, it's five in each case), and two other columns in one of 
which I place the first x-1 characters where x is the position of the space) 
and in the other I place the right end of the name field from the x+1 character 
to the end.

What I'd now like todo is to change the contents of the first name column from 
left(1;x-1) to John or Jane, and the last name column likewise, from being a 
formula which displays as a name to being a name.

Can't find it anywhere.

TIA

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Convert formulae to actual

[James Wilde]

On Mar 21, 2011, at 18:10 , Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

 
 Le 21/03/2011 17:59, James Wilde a écrit :
 
 What I'd now like todo is to change the contents of the first name
 column from left(1;x-1) to John or Jane, and the last name column
 likewise, from being a formula which displays as a name to being a
 name.
 
 Select, then Copy Special at the same place with Formula option unchecked.
 

Sorry, Jean-Francois.  There is no Copy Special.  Only Paste Special.  And 
Paste Special does not have a Formula option.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Convert formulae to actual

[James Wilde]

On Mar 21, 2011, at 21:46 , Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

 
 Le 21/03/2011 21:14, James Wilde a écrit :
 
 Sorry, Jean-Francois.  There is no Copy Special.  Only Paste Special.  And 
 Paste Special does not have a Formula option.
 
 Ooops! Yes, it should read Paste special, sorry for the typo. And I confirm 
 there *is* a Formula option :)

Ah, thanks.  I didn't realise that, by select, you meant I had to copy the 
cells in question.  When I copied them first, it worked exactly as you said.

Thanks for the help.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] UNSUBSCRIBE

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Hi Randy:

Send an email from your gmail account to users+unsubscr...@libreoffice.org and 
reply to the ensuing email.

//James
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Re: [libreoffice-users] UNSUBSCRIBE

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A thought suddenly strikes me in connection with this problem.  The person in 
question uses gmail, and gmail is renowned for not sending copies of your own 
mails to mail lists.  I wonder if the confirmation mails are not being sent to 
the users?

Probably a silly thought, but I'll voice it anyway.

//James

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 unsuccessfully.  I just send anything with Libre Office into the junk 
 folder!!
 
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[libreoffice-users] Date format in template

[James Wilde]

It is appropriate to say that I am running LibO 3.3.1 on a Mac running OSX 
10.6.6.

I have a letterhead template which includes a date field (creation date).  
However, despite several attempts, I am unable to maintain the format of the 
date, which I want to present in iso-format: -MM-DD.  Instead each time I 
open the template, the field has reverted to the US style date, MM/DD/YY.

How can I fix the date format as I wish it to be?  This does not appear to be a 
question of the regional settings, since I have a custom setting including the 
iso-format for the date.

TIA

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Date format in template

[James Wilde]

On Mar 11, 2011, at 13:35 , Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

 Dear James,
 
 
 James Wilde wrote:
 It is appropriate to say that I am running LibO 3.3.1 on a Mac running OSX 
 10.6.6.
 
 I have a letterhead template which includes a date field (creation date).  
 However, despite several attempts, I am unable to maintain the format of the 
 date, which I want to present in iso-format: -MM-DD.  Instead each time 
 I open the template, the field has reverted to the US style date, MM/DD/YY.
 
 How can I fix the date format as I wish it to be?  This does not appear to 
 be a question of the regional settings, since I have a custom setting 
 including the iso-format for the date.
 Over here (LO 3.3.1 on Ubuntu 10.04) everything seems to work as expected. I 
 created a template, inserted date, changed the field to that format, saved 
 it, closed, re-opened LO and selected the template and the date format was 
 correct. How was the template created?
Open a document, format it as I wanted, insert the date field, convert to 
iso-format, save as .ott in the templates folder.  On opening it reverts always 
to US format.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Date format in template

[James Wilde]

Well, to be sure it's not something in the original template, I just created a 
new one with nothing other than create date and saved it as you said using 
/File/Templates/Save.  Same behavkiour.

I'm at a loss.

//James

On Mar 11, 2011, at 22:19 , Tinkerer wrote:

 Hi James
 
 It works for me. LO 3.3.2.1 on a Mac 10.6.6
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Date format in template

[James Wilde]

Thanks Larry.

On Mar 11, 2011, at 22:41 , Larry Gusaas wrote:

 On 2011/03/11 7:31 AM  James Wilde wrote:
 Open a document, format it as I wanted, insert the date field, convert to 
 iso-format, save as .ott in the templates folder.  On opening it reverts 
 always to US format.
 Please describe how you convert the date field to iso-format.

Mark the field showing 3/11/11 (the whole field), choose Edit/Fields/ and 
select the iso-format.

 
 How can I fix the date format as I wish it to be?  This does not appear to 
 be a question of the regional settings, since I have a custom setting 
 including the iso-format for the date.
 Did you set your custom setting in /System Preferences/Language  
 Text/Formats/Dates ?
 
 I have a MacBook using OS X version 10.6.6 . I have no problem saving a 
 template with the date field set the way I desired (I tried saving in 
 different formats, all worked). I am trying to get an idea why it doesn't 
 work for you.

It's a mystery to me, too.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Date format in template

[James Wilde]

On Mar 11, 2011, at 23:41 , Larry Gusaas wrote:

 On 2011/03/11 3:55 PM  James Wilde wrote:
 Just sent a copy to Andy Brown who contacted me offline.  He opens a 
 document with my template and sees the date in iso-format.  so it's 
 something local.  I have a Macbook and a Mac Mini, both running the same OS 
 and the same version of LibO, and both give me the same problem.  I had/have 
 the same problem with OOo, too, and this template, and always have.
 Try creating a new profile. Rename your current one and LibreOffice will 
 automatically create a new one. You will need to create a new template with 
 date insert to test. If problem persists, go back to your old profile – 
 delete the new one and change name on old profile back to original.
 
 If the problem is solved you can then copy personal data, extensions, 
 templates etc. bit by bit to determine if any of them causes problems.
 
 Profile is located at:
 /Users/username/Library/Application Support/LibreOffice
 
 For more information on profiles see the following (it is for OOo, but the 
 basics are the same. Just change path names to LibreOffice):
 http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426

Found it.  Thanks Larry.  The error lies somewhere in the file called 
registrymodifications.xcu.  I now have my original profile back, with all the 
goodies, and I've merely moved in the .xcu file created with my new profile, 
and now my template gives me the date format in the iso-format.

Now it would be nice to know what line in that file is causing the problem, as 
the new one is 106 KB, and the old one, the faulty one, is 229 KB, which means 
that a lot of my registry modifications are missing.

I'll take a look and see if I can find out what is wrong, and test again or 
come back for more help.

Thanks again.

//James


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Latency issues

[James Wilde]

On Mar 9, 2011, at 18:45 , Stereotactic wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 I am facing a lot of latency issues with the subscription to this list. For 
 example, it took over 30 minutes to get the confirmation email to subscribe. 
 So do the replies to the threads.
 
 Is someone facing the same issues too?


I just checked the mail header on Stereoactic's email and find the following:

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bilbo.documentfoundation.org
X-Spam-Score:   -2.59
X-Spam-Status:  No, score=-5.10, required=5, tests=Unknown, spf=Genuine
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(amavisd-new); dkim=pass header.i=@messagingengine.com
X-Policyd-Weight:   using cached result; rate:hard: -8.5
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Mar 2011 18:51:24 CET
Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; 
d=messagingengine.com; 
h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding;
 s=smtpout; bh=xoCuOBdAgp6oUaHTej5Iu/LX+a8=; 
b=KFVbZzyZQZBS/OqMbtB+zzfSohdF96BbPNwX5jSqYVFEwHBIyJLIVafUYORvWcS1AKuLBkF6OxADNdeVvx2ZyeM0B4+Rs4VteO4OQTFlL8MBMOF7buLNsC723FpoWPKnt1Mv2apmgp/tYhJhW7ct5+khCB1VsGMU9LM1BWMMFU8=

That accounts for most of the sixe minutes and 14 seconds it took for the 
message to appear.  Anybody know why the message was delayed 356 seconds by 
postgrey?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Import data from spreadsheet to base

[James Wilde]

There's so far been no message from me saying thanks for solving the problem, 
mainly because I'm having problems with the different solutions and I want to 
have them all documented before I reply.

Regina's method 1 works.  I get error messages with method 2 and, I think, 
method 3, and I want to run them both again.

As Arnie said, I'll be back.

//James

On Mar 5, 2011, at 00:41 , James Wilde wrote:

 Thanks, Regina.  I'll take a look at it tomorrow.
 
 //James
 
 On Mar 5, 2011, at 00:37 , Regina Henschel wrote:
 
 Hi James,
 
 James Wilde schrieb:
 
 On Mar 2, 2011, at 23:20 , Regina Henschel wrote:
 
 
 Version B You have already a database and want to import your
 speadsheet as new table: Open the odb-File and go to 'Table'
 section. Drag the window to half of the screen. Open the calc-File,
 drag its window to the other half of the screen. Mark your data in
 the spreadsheet and drag them to the table section in the data base
 window. (You ca use the clipboard as well.)
 
 This step doesn't work.  I mark the entire sheet and try to drag a
 cell - any cell, they're all marked - into the table section of the
 odb window, but nowhere does it let me drop with any result.
 
 Do not mark an entire sheet but only the data. I have written a HowTo
 with pictures for you. Perhaps it makes clear how it should work:
 http://www.rhenschel.homepage.t-online.de/HowToImportDataFromCalcToBase.odt
 
 Kind regards
 Regina
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Description is not retained

[James Wilde]

On Mar 8, 2011, at 03:56 , Cliff Scott wrote:

 ** Reply to message from James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com on Mon, 7
 Mar 2011 23:01:28 +0100
 
 LibO 3.3.1 on Mac OSX 10.6.6.
 
 I have a number of copies of one particular document, each copy of which
 differs in some respects from others.  There is, for example, the original
 file with certain formatting attributes.  Then there is a copy of this which
 has more formatting attributes to make it suitable for conversion to a mobi
 ebook.  There is a third copy which differs again, and is intended for
 conversion to epub format, and so on.
 
 Apart from having them in different folders, and with slightly different file
 names, I need to know exactly what changes I have made in each file, and I
 thought that the Description tab of the Properties window would be ideal for
 this purpose.  I assumed this would be some kind of metadata.  However, I
 have now discovered that information entered in this window is not preserved
 when closing the file and re-opening it.
 
 Have I missed something, or is this a bug in the Mac version?
 
 Actually this is a bug in all versions it seems. If you save the file
 before closing it will be saved.

Thanks, Cliff, that did it.

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[libreoffice-users] Description is not retained

[James Wilde]

LibO 3.3.1 on Mac OSX 10.6.6.

I have a number of copies of one particular document, each copy of which 
differs in some respects from others.  There is, for example, the original file 
with certain formatting attributes.  Then there is a copy of this which has 
more formatting attributes to make it suitable for conversion to a mobi ebook.  
There is a third copy which differs again, and is intended for conversion to 
epub format, and so on.

Apart from having them in different folders, and with slightly different file 
names, I need to know exactly what changes I have made in each file, and I 
thought that the Description tab of the Properties window would be ideal for 
this purpose.  I assumed this would be some kind of metadata.  However, I have 
now discovered that information entered in this window is not preserved when 
closing the file and re-opening it.

Have I missed something, or is this a bug in the Mac version?

//James
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Re: [libreoffice-users] HELP QUESTION

[James Wilde]

喜张玉军：

请将您的调查，以我们的中文列表：

我们不是在这里讲好普通话。

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For the rest of the list, I think I have recommended that he try the Chinese 
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On Mar 4, 2011, at 09:51 , Yujun WANG wrote:

 libreoffice TERM
 
 HI
 感谢,推出这么好的OFFICE.
 但是有两点需要完善.
 
 1.选多列或多行时,拖动鼠标选择时,会一直向一个方向走,停不下来.也取消不了.
 2.文档共有,多人在线编辑时,必须把文件服务器上的文件开能所有权限.而MSOFFICE
 只需要开通RW就可以同时编辑.
 3.虚线的问题
 4.多人编辑时,保存的数据有丢失的情况.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Import data from spreadsheet to base

[James Wilde]

On Mar 2, 2011, at 23:20 , Regina Henschel wrote:

 Hi James,
 
 James Wilde schrieb:
 I've checked both LibO and OOo for a how-to or a chapter on this, without 
 luck, and I've checked the Nabble interface to the users maillist.
 
 Is there any easy way to get an address list in a spreadsheet into a base 
 database?
 
 Yes, it is easy.
 
 Version A
 You do not have a database already, you want to retain the spreadsheet:
 File  New  Database
 Connect to an existing database  Choose 'Speadsheet'  Next.
 Browse to your Calc document  Next  Finish.
 
Thanks, Regina, this works.  I'll try and live with this method.

 Version B
 You have already a database and want to import your speadsheet as new table:
 Open the odb-File and go to 'Table' section. Drag the window to half of the 
 screen.
 Open the calc-File, drag its window to the other half of the screen.
 Mark your data in the spreadsheet and drag them to the table section in the 
 data base window. (You ca use the clipboard as well.)

This step doesn't work.  I mark the entire sheet and try to drag a cell - any 
cell, they're all marked - into the table section of the odb window, but 
nowhere does it let me drop with any result.

I have, however, found out that it starts working - it's still running in the 
background as I type - if I have an empty database with no tables.  Finished 
now - The data content could not be loaded.  S1000 General error 
java.lang.NullPointerException in statement [SELECT * FROM Medlemmar].

 Follow the wizard. If you do not want to use the generated primary key, you 
 have to select one (or more) of your columns to be the primary key in the 
 second (or third?) step. Use the context menu then.
 Do not trust the type detection, but set every type by yourself.
 
 Version C
 You have already a database and want to import your spreadsheet into a given 
 table.
 Nearly the same as in version B, but on the first dialog page of the wizard 
 you have to choose to append your data.

Since B doesn't work, this one is obviously not going to work either.  It 
doesn't.
 In the second step you can match the columns of the spreadsheet to the 
 columns of the data base table. Rearrange the columns in the dialog list of 
 the spreadsheet source, not in the part of the database table.
 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Import data from spreadsheet to base

[James Wilde]

On Mar 3, 2011, at 13:34 , Alexander Thurgood wrote:

 Le 02/03/11 22:23, James Wilde a écrit :
 
 Hi James,
 
 
 
 2. Activate the data source pane (F4)
 
 F4 doesn't have any effect on my Mac.  Cmd+F4 closes the sheet.  
 Shift+Cmd+F4 has no effect.  I double clicked on the Base table and got up 
 something that looks like a Calc sheet with only one line.
 
 
 Do you have a Fn key on your Mac keyboard ? If so, press that first
 and while keeping pressed, press on F4. If it a tower Mac or Mac mini as
 opposed to a Macbook then I'm not sure because it will depend on your
 keyboard. This is something that has always bothered me with the default
 key bindings that both OOo and LibO use, because most of them just
 didn't work as the documentation / help stated. It is partly Apple's
 fault for assigning specific OS functionality to the function keys, but
 also one would have thought that the OOo/LibO development cycle would
 have picked this up by now.

Thanks Alexander.  I was doing it on a Mac mini, but I can try and create the 
db on my Macbook and move it over.
 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] HELP QUESTION

[James Wilde]

On Mar 5, 2011, at 00:10 , MR ZenWiz wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:53 AM, James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com 
 wrote:
 喜张玉军：
 
 请将您的调查，以我们的中文列表：
 
 我们不是在这里讲好普通话。
 
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 For the rest of the list, I think I have recommended that he try the Chinese 
 list.
 
 I hope that works - his signature says (in English):
 
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 (I'm guessing that's Japanese :-)

You could be right, but his signature also says (in English)

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Telephone code 86 is for China (Japan is 81), Dalian is a city in Liaoning 
province in North Eastern China.  And his name is more Chinese than Japanese, 
and he wrote in Chinese.  To be sure many of the symbols are common to both 
languages, and have the same meaning, although different pronunciation, in both 
languages.  But at least I've given him a tip, and he can test changing the 
address to something beginning with jp in that case.

BTW, you didn't notice that I had, by (my) mistake, sent him to the Bengali 
pages, bn.libreoffice.org instead of the Chinese pages, which begin with zh-cn 
and zh-tw instead of br.  I corrected it later offline (just in case anyone 
else notices).

//James
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Import data from spreadsheet to base

[James Wilde]

Thanks, Regina.  I'll take a look at it tomorrow.

//James

On Mar 5, 2011, at 00:37 , Regina Henschel wrote:

 Hi James,
 
 James Wilde schrieb:
 
 On Mar 2, 2011, at 23:20 , Regina Henschel wrote:
 
 
 Version B You have already a database and want to import your
 speadsheet as new table: Open the odb-File and go to 'Table'
 section. Drag the window to half of the screen. Open the calc-File,
 drag its window to the other half of the screen. Mark your data in
 the spreadsheet and drag them to the table section in the data base
 window. (You ca use the clipboard as well.)
 
 This step doesn't work.  I mark the entire sheet and try to drag a
 cell - any cell, they're all marked - into the table section of the
 odb window, but nowhere does it let me drop with any result.
 
 Do not mark an entire sheet but only the data. I have written a HowTo
 with pictures for you. Perhaps it makes clear how it should work:
 http://www.rhenschel.homepage.t-online.de/HowToImportDataFromCalcToBase.odt
 
 Kind regards
 Regina
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] On the subject of mailmerge...

[James Wilde]

On Mar 2, 2011, at 18:30 , Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

 On 02/03/11 16:46, James Wilde wrote:
 Thanks, Don, but the Worldlabel site is only for US sizes, and doesn't 
 appear to have A4.  However, I'll take a look at the OOo site, and see if I 
 can find the extension.
 
 
 try this:
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooolabels/
Thanks, Gordon, but that appears to be a back door to Worldlabel.  Until I know 
I can find A4, I'll take a raincheck.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] On the subject of mailmerge...

[James Wilde]

On Mar 2, 2011, at 20:02 , Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

 On 02/03/11 18:34, James Wilde wrote:
 On Mar 2, 2011, at 18:30 , Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
 
 On 02/03/11 16:46, James Wilde wrote:
 Thanks, Don, but the Worldlabel site is only for US sizes, and doesn't 
 appear to have A4.  However, I'll take a look at the OOo site, and see if 
 I can find the extension.
 
 try this:
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooolabels/
 Thanks, Gordon, but that appears to be a back door to Worldlabel.  Until I 
 know I can find A4, I'll take a raincheck.
 
 //James
 I posted that link because the file HAS A4 labels in it

OK thanks, Gordon, sorry, misunderstood.

These are ott files, so I assume they aren't anything to be used with a new 
attempted mailmerge, but rather by copying and pasting addresses into each 
table area?

//James
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Import data from spreadsheet to base

[James Wilde]

Thanks, Don, this isn't my day.

I can see no way to save my calc as a database under Save as.  I can find no 
import option in base.  And copying the entire sheet and pasting to the first 
field on a form doesn't work.

Another thing:  the column names in the base table are not in exact conformance 
with the column names in the calc sheet.  The one is in English, for example, 
the other in Swedish, and I was hoping for a procedure to assign field names in 
the one to field names in the other.

//James

On Mar 2, 2011, at 20:52 , Don C. Myers wrote:

 Is your spreadsheet set up as a database with fields? Meaning in the top row, 
 something like Column 1 firstname, Column 2 lastname, Column 3 street, 
 etc. If it is set up like that, I know you can import that data into base. If 
 the spreadsheet is setup as a database with fields in the top row, you could 
 probably do it from there if it is saved as a database and not just a 
 spreadsheet document. I really don't know though since you are getting out of 
 the realm of my knowledge. I know you can import database information in calc 
 into base, and I know you can have great success printing labels from base 
 with the table style templates.
 
 On 03/02/2011 02:38 PM, James Wilde wrote:
 I've checked both LibO and OOo for a how-to or a chapter on this, without 
 luck, and I've checked the Nabble interface to the users maillist.
 
 Is there any easy way to get an address list in a spreadsheet into a base 
 database?
 
 TIA
 
 //James
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Import data from spreadsheet to base

[James Wilde]

On Mar 2, 2011, at 21:43 , Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

 
 Le 02/03/2011 21:07, James Wilde a écrit :
 
 I can see no way to save my calc as a database under Save as.  I can
 find no import option in base.  And copying the entire sheet and
 pasting to the first field on a form doesn't work.
 
 1. Open Calc and the sheet you want to export to Calc

Is that Open Calc and the sheet you want to export to Base?

 2. Activate the data source pane (F4)

F4 doesn't have any effect on my Mac.  Cmd+F4 closes the sheet.  Shift+Cmd+F4 
has no effect.  I double clicked on the Base table and got up something that 
looks like a Calc sheet with only one line.

 3. Select the data that need to be exported (Ctrl + * will select all the 
 data)

I only selected the columns in the Calc sheet that are equivalent.

 4. Drag the selection to the left pane of the source pane, onto the database 
 you're targetting. When the table branch is shoiwn, you might see the cursor 
 changing shape

It did indeed change shape.  I got a green + attached to it.

 5. Drop
 
 A wizard should show up. Just follow the directions and you should be all set.

No wizard.  :(

But thanks for trying.

//James
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