Re: [libreoffice-users] LO pptx-file cannot be opened in MS-Office

[Peter Langfelder]

No idea about the cause/causes, but when I do the same type of
presentation sharing, I save my presentation as a ppt (the old
powerpoint format). No complaints from my co-workers yet. Admittedly
my presentations are very simple (text, some tables, PNG images); ppt
may not work if you need more features.

HTH,

Peter

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 3:36 PM Harvey Nimmo  wrote:
>
> Each month I have to prepare a contribution to a presentation.
> I write my contribution in LO-Impress as .odp, save it and send it as
> .pptx for a colleague to integrate it using MS-Office with other pptx.
> presentations.
>
> This usually works well, but last month the colleague who does the pptx
> integration could not open my file. Until last month the above
> procedure worked well and failed in the last week of March.
>
> Is anyone able to put their finger on a possible cause/solution?
>
> I am using OpenSUSE Linux 15.5 with LO
> Version: 24.2.1.2 (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
> Build ID: 420(Build:2)
> CPU threads: 2; OS: Linux 5.14; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3
> Locale: en-GB (en_GB.UTF-8); UI: en-GB
> Calc: threaded
>
> I expect an input from the colleague about his Office/Windows versions.
>
> Best regards
> Harvey Nimmo
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] failed update attempts

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 25/02/2024 15:17, Graeme Eldridge wrote:

Hello,

I am running your version 7.6.0.3 quite successfully but thinking I 
really should update to 7.6.4 or better just as a matter of best 
practice.  That fails because the installer cannot remove version 
7.4.7!  This is logical only in the sense that version 7.4.7 isn't there 
and has never been there.  Trying to simply uninstall 7.6.03 fails 
exactly the same way as does hiding the Libre Office folder and 
attempting a "clean" install.


How do I fix this without buying a new machine (64 bit Windows 10)?

Thank you,

Graeme

PS.  Trying to install version 26.2 fails similarly

Why don't you do the obvious and remove all previous versions prior to 
installing the required update?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printer Recognition

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 20/02/2024 17:43, aguador wrote:



El lun, 19-02-2024 a las 19:34 -0800, Tom escribió:

On 2/19/24 6:54 PM, Joe Conner wrote:

I use Ubuntu 22.04lts and the latest Ubuntu depository Libreoffice.

LibreOffice does not recognize my installed printers.  How do I
force
availability of Libreoffice to use my printer? When I try to print
only "generic printer" is available. I have a Canon laser
MFP743Cdw,
an HP laserjet M402dw, and an HP officejet pro 8025.

Each can be used when printing a .pdf using the Document Viewer
software so I export my word document to .pdf and print using the
Document Viewer. This kludge work-around works, but i think the
best
scenario is for LibreOffice to recognize my printers as it formerly
used to do.

I appreciate any suggestions.


I recommend that you re-install LibreOffice from the source 
<https://www.libreoffice.org/> rather than the Ubuntu repositories. In 
earlier days, when I thought Ubuntu was a good idea for me, I had 
similar problems with printing from their variant of LibreOffice. They 
all went away after installing the original product.


Peter HB

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Address Book Conundrum

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 11/09/2023 21:08, Steve Edmonds wrote:
Did you install 7.6.0.3 from the LO website DL page. Base is a separate 
component in the openSuse repositories with an optional install.


Since an experience with a Debian derivative some years ago I *always* 
install the original product from the LibreOffice web site. Much as I 
respect and admire Debian I'm not happy with re-packaged LibreOffice 
products.


Moving on, it is beginning to look as if my problem lies with Bookworm, 
or KDE: my other computers do provide the Address Book features with 
which I'm accustomed so further investigation is warranted.


Sorry for the noise.

Peter HB


On 12/09/2023 06:57, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:
I confirm that Base was _always_ installed with the rest of the suite 
for me.


Do you have LibreOffice Start Center with your installation?

On 9/11/23 13:45, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi Peter,

Am 10.09.23 um 13:07 schrieb Peter Hillier-Brook:
For donkey's years I've been using an address book created from a 
calc spreadsheet, assigned via the Address Data Source Wizard. In a 
freshly installed version of LibreOffice (7.6.0.3) it's no longer 
available as it requires the "base" component that is not present.


It has required Base also in the past, but many people didn't 
recognize this. You connect from Writer thruogh Base to Calc.


Why isn't Base available for your installation. I never git an 
installation without Base component (OpenSUSE 64bit rpm Linux here).


Regards

Robert






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Address Book Conundrum

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 11/09/2023 15:33, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:

Not a 100% sure, but try this.

Open a Writer document

Left click on 

Check "Available Databases" column on right.

If not there, try  button below to reconnect to Calc 
spreadsheet.


Hope this helps.


Thanks for the tip, but no joy.It seems that the absence of the 'Base' 
component in the last few releases is at the root of my problem.


Peter HB



On 9/10/23 07:07, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:
For donkey's years I've been using an address book created from a calc 
spreadsheet, assigned via the Address Data Source Wizard. In a freshly 
installed version of LibreOffice (7.6.0.3) it's no longer available as 
it requires the "base" component that is not present.


Have I missed something in a Release Note, or is there a functional 
alternative?


Peter HB




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[libreoffice-users] Address Book Conundrum

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

For donkey's years I've been using an address book created from a calc 
spreadsheet, assigned via the Address Data Source Wizard. In a freshly 
installed version of LibreOffice (7.6.0.3) it's no longer available as 
it requires the "base" component that is not present.


Have I missed something in a Release Note, or is there a functional 
alternative?


Peter HB

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Re: [libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

sudo dpkg -iR /Downloads/

I don't see that as any harder than using the system package manager and 
repositories.


Peter HB

On 31/07/2023 20:26, Steve Edmonds wrote:
I was thinking also to try direct from the LO site, it is just so much 
easier to install/remove upgrade/downgrade using the system package 
manager and repositories.


On 31/07/2023 22:56, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:

Mike,

It seems that you have not yet installed directly from the LibreOffice 
download site. Many years ago, when I still thought Ubuntu was a 
viable option for me, I had problems with their variant of 
LibreOffice. Installing the real thing eliminated the problems.


Best wishes.

Peter HB

On 31/07/2023 09:14, Mike Scott wrote:

On 30/07/2023 21:17, Steve Edmonds wrote:
.


I just switched from the KDE file manager (Dolphin) to the LO file 
load/save dialogues, there is definitely an issue with LO when using 
Dolphin that is not evident with other apps using Dolphin.

Philip, are you using LO from their site or an Ubuntu packaged version.


Mike, you say both machines are Mint, MATE or Xfce? Did you install 
from a PPA or the LO website.


Mint Mate; versions 21 and (iirc) 20.2 on the lappy.

LO is installed from the relevant ubuntu PPA. This machine (mint 21) 
says (synaptic) 1:7.3.7-0ubuntu0.22.0.4.3, but I think the other 
machine is on LO 6.something (IMBW) from the ub PPA. They have the 
same issue.


I do find the unpredictability rather concerning. I've just had to 
hunt for a "failing" file, but did find one. 'Save As' consistently 
(well, for the moment anyway!) adds the file extension in the 
dialogue. I switched to LO style dialogue boxes, and they behave as 
expected (file name given, no extension) - switching back to system 
style dialogues restores the wrong behaviour.


BTW, of two files -- an original plus a copy made with Caja (^C and 
^V) -- they consistently (for now) behave in the two different ways.


Thanks all for more comments. I hesitate to raise a bug report over 
this; for one thing the LO web bug page I found last time pretty 
incomprehensible, but for another it's really not repeatable enough. 
I'm not really sure where to go from here.












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Re: [libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

Mike,

It seems that you have not yet installed directly from the LibreOffice 
download site. Many years ago, when I still thought Ubuntu was a viable 
option for me, I had problems with their variant of LibreOffice. 
Installing the real thing eliminated the problems.


Best wishes.

Peter HB

On 31/07/2023 09:14, Mike Scott wrote:

On 30/07/2023 21:17, Steve Edmonds wrote:
.


I just switched from the KDE file manager (Dolphin) to the LO file 
load/save dialogues, there is definitely an issue with LO when using 
Dolphin that is not evident with other apps using Dolphin.

Philip, are you using LO from their site or an Ubuntu packaged version.


Mike, you say both machines are Mint, MATE or Xfce? Did you install 
from a PPA or the LO website.


Mint Mate; versions 21 and (iirc) 20.2 on the lappy.

LO is installed from the relevant ubuntu PPA. This machine (mint 21) 
says (synaptic) 1:7.3.7-0ubuntu0.22.0.4.3, but I think the other machine 
is on LO 6.something (IMBW) from the ub PPA. They have the same issue.


I do find the unpredictability rather concerning. I've just had to hunt 
for a "failing" file, but did find one. 'Save As' consistently (well, 
for the moment anyway!) adds the file extension in the dialogue. I 
switched to LO style dialogue boxes, and they behave as expected (file 
name given, no extension) - switching back to system style dialogues 
restores the wrong behaviour.


BTW, of two files -- an original plus a copy made with Caja (^C and ^V) 
-- they consistently (for now) behave in the two different ways.


Thanks all for more comments. I hesitate to raise a bug report over 
this; for one thing the LO web bug page I found last time pretty 
incomprehensible, but for another it's really not repeatable enough. I'm 
not really sure where to go from here.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Draw guide

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 29/05/2023 11:13, Eustace wrote:
A long-long time ago I created some diagrams using WordPerfect. Now I 
need to update them and create some new ones with LibreOffice Draw. I 
looked at Amazon, and found that there is a book from 2015 — that's new 
enough for me, however because of eyesight problems I'd prefer a digital 
guide. Is there anything available to get me started?



...or you could use 'Inkscape'

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Recovered File Issues - Blank Document

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 03/05/2023 09:29, Katinka Van Dijk wrote:

Hello,

Libre Office crashed and when restarted it asked if I wanted to recover the 
file I was working on and as this has worked in the past I agreed. When the 
document was recovered it was blank.

Looking through your forum to possibly find an older version a few say to go 
Tools: Options etc.. my tools tab does not have an Options, the kast thing is 
Customize. Should it?


Yes it should, immediately below 'Customise' (Using version 7.5.3.2, 
freshly installed). Perhaps you need to scroll your screen? I'm not sure 
that this will help you with your current problem though.


Please don't take this the wrong way but, many years ago - about 35 if 
memory serves - I learned the hard way to save important documents every 
10 minutes to minimise potential losses. This started, of course, before 
I discovered a more reliable operating system that didn't crash every so 
often:-)


Peter HB

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Re: [libreoffice-users]

[Peter Goggin]

A simple spread sheet is all you need - 5 columns , date, time, 
stystolic, diastolic and  pulse  rate. In my case a a diabetic i also 
have a column for sugar level.  I can send you a copy of the form I use 
if you want.

 Regards
 Peter Goggin

On 19/4/23 03:01, Serena Clooney wrote:

Hi

I wonder if you could please help me.

We have been asked to record my 92 yr old mum's blood pressure readings at
home and to present the results in spreadsheet form to our GP.

Can anyone help with a Libreoffice template to help record these daily
readings,please?

Many thanks
Srena



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Re: [libreoffice-users] For the attention of mediators

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 27/07/2022 14:10, Séamas Ó Brógáin wrote:

I didn't see any 'propaganda'.



I saw expression of a political opinion . . .


I’m afraid that’s semantic trickery for renaming political propaganda
that you agree with.


if it bothered me I'd ignore it.


It bothers me, and it contravenes the norm of email discussion, and I
can’t ignore it.

Hello, moderators!


+1

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Off Line Help Installation

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 21/03/2022 18:42, Joe Conner wrote:


On 3/20/22 07:41, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi Paolo,

Hi.   Yes, I can confirm.

I have LO  7.3.0.3  on ubuntu 20.04.   When I press  F1,  it opens a 
browser  with address:

file:///tmp/lu18302293odos5.tmp/NewHelp0.html
and says  'file not found'.


This is a totally wron path. Have a look for your LibreOffice program 
installation.

here is a part of the link, which has been shown in my browser
file:///…opt/libreoffice7.3/help/de/text/shared/guide/startcenter.html?

The help for Germany ("de") is installed.

This is an installation with original packages from LO on a 
rpm-Linux-System (OpenSUSE). So it might be different to your 
Ubuntu-installation.


Regards

Robert


My offline help path is file:///tmp/lu28183k53.tmp/NewHelp3.html and the 
file is not found.


As Robert has said, this is completely wrong. Under Debian 11 the file 
is accessed via:


file:///opt/libreoffice7.3/help/en-GB/text/shared/05/new_help.html?System=UNIX=WRITER=.uno:HelpIndex#bm_id3806162

My guess is that you installed LibreOffice from an Ubuntu repository, 
rather than the original libreoffice download site. /tmp is a 
particularly stupid location - the clue is in the name. It's temporary.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] printing pages in reverse order not possible in LO 7.2.5.2.0+

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 13/02/2022 11:09, Ken Heard wrote:
In order to print documents on both sides of the paper using a printer 
without collating ability, I always printed first in reverse order the 
even pages.  I then  print in numerical order the odd pages on the back 
side of the paper on which the even pages are printed.  In this way the 
pages do not need to be collated manually.


While this version of LO still allows printing separately the odd and 
even pages, I discovered to my horror that it no longer allows printing 
of pages in reverse order.


The help page however still says that all one has to do to print in 
reverse order is to


1.    Choose File - Print.
2.    Click the General tab.
3.    Choose Print in reverse page order.
4.    Click Print.

In view of the foregoing it would appear that disappearance of the 
reverse print option was unintended.  In that case when can we helpless 
users expect this error to be corrected?


Ken Heard


It's available in 7.3.0.3, therefore probably also in the earlier 
version. Using your numbering you need to add <2a.  Select 'More'>


Peter HB

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[libreoffice-users] Date number has 5 digits

[Peter Dutton]

In cell
  A4 is the following code;


="Monday  
  "+January.$A5


January.$A5 
  has the number 27 in it (December 27)


What
  appears in cell A4 as a result is- Monday    44557


What is
  needed is- Monday    27


I've
  tried reformatting cell A4 to a date or text or a number to no
  success.




Any
  idea how to fix this?




Thanks,


Peter


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[libreoffice-users] Can't delete Conditional Formatting

[Peter Dutton]

For whatever reason I can't successfully remove (delete) conditional
formatting in the Manage Conditional Formatting window.

No matter whether I hit Remove or Edit then Delete no conditional
formatting rules are ultimately removed. Yes, they do get deleted when I
click Remove but the Ok and Cancel buttons in the lower left hand side
of the window do nothing.  So I have to X out the window.


Any idea what I should do?

Thanks,

Peter


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Understanding Character styles "Default Style" and relative font sizes

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 09/07/2020 09:47, Robert Großkopf wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
>>   All
>> percentages seem to be based on a 12pt font, regardless of the font size
>> specified in the Paragraph style.
> 
> 12pt is the defined font size of the paragraph "Default Style". You have
> to look in the style dialog in tab "Organizer" → "Inherit from". You
> could change "Default Style" of the paragraph for changing the size for
> all depending font sizes.
> 
> "Addressee" depends directly to the font size of "Default Style". So the
> font size will be changed if the font size of "Default Style" has been
> changed.
> 
> "Heading", for example, sets the inherits from Default Style. It is
> overwritten there by font size 14pt. "Heading 1" is inherit from
> "Heading". It takes this 14pt and will set it to 130%.
> 
> All is based on the default styles: Paragraphs for the whole paragraph
> styles, fonts to the whole character styles.
> 
> Default character style only deletes all the changes of the character
> styles you made in a special tab. For example the character style
> "Emphasis": There is only set Font > Italic. You could only set it back
> to "change nothing" by choosing in tab "Font" → "Standard".
> 
> Hope it helps. My English is a littel bit confusing for other people.

Nonsense! Your English is clear and concise and it's a pity that some of
the so-called native English speakers on this list don't emulate it.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Post format messed up

[Peter Dutton]

On 4/19/20 8:11 AM, Peter Dutton wrote:
> On 4/19/20 5:08 AM, Valter Mura wrote:
>> In data domenica 19 aprile 2020 03:48:56 CEST, Peter Dutton ha scritto:
>>> Leave
>>>   it to a computer to mess everything up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How can
>>>   I prevent the ugly format of the messages I sent to the list?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ain't
>>>   no rest for the weary.
>>>
>>>
>> Hi
>>
>> try to setup your mail client (Thunderbird, is it?) to plain text only, for 
>> this account.
>>
>> Ciao
> Ok, here's a try at plain text only.   And now some words just to fill
> up the space to see if it fixes the problem.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Peter


Good.  Looks like writing in plain text worked.

Peter

>
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Post format messed up

[Peter Dutton]

On 4/19/20 5:08 AM, Valter Mura wrote:
> In data domenica 19 aprile 2020 03:48:56 CEST, Peter Dutton ha scritto:
>> Leave
>>   it to a computer to mess everything up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> How can
>>   I prevent the ugly format of the messages I sent to the list?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ain't
>>   no rest for the weary.
>>
>>
> Hi
>
> try to setup your mail client (Thunderbird, is it?) to plain text only, for 
> this account.
>
> Ciao

Ok, here's a try at plain text only.   And now some words just to fill
up the space to see if it fixes the problem.

Thank you,

Peter


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[libreoffice-users] Post format messed up

[Peter Dutton]

Leave
  it to a computer to mess everything up.




How can
  I prevent the ugly format of the messages I sent to the list?




Ain't
  no rest for the weary.




Peter




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc- find & replace with specific formatting

[Peter Dutton]

From:Steve
  Edmonds [mailto:steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com]
Subject:[libreoffice-users] Calc- findreplace with specific
  formatting
Date:Saturday,
  April 18, 2020, 8:25 PM
To:Peter
  Dutton;users@global.libreoffice.org




Hi.EditFind and ReplaceEnter cat say in find (to find instances of cat)Enter 
cat in replaceClick other optionsFormat.On font select Bold.
Steve- there is no format option within the FindReplace
  screen and "other options".
Then click replace allSteveOn 19/04/2020 10:23, Peter Dutton
wrote:
In Calc
  I want to find a specific word and replace that word with a
  bold version of it.




For the
  life of me I can't figure out how!




Thank
  you,




Peter
  Dutton
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[libreoffice-users] Calc- find & replace with specific formatting

[Peter Dutton]

In Calc
  I want to find a specific word and replace that word with a
  bold version of it.


For the
  life of me I can't figure out how!




Thank
  you,


Peter
  Dutton


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re-flow text in Writer

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 17/04/2020 00:00, Jason wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is there a way to force text to reflow in Writer?

Yes.

> Say I have a file with hard wraps at the end of each line and I want to 
> reflow all the paragraphs. Or alternately is there a way to find and 
> replace line breaks (searching for '\n' does not seem to work)?

A simple search "replace line breaks Libre Office" should help. It
produced a multitude of useful answers via duckduckgo.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Adding a / (forward slash)

[Peter Dutton]

Glory!  You solved the problem!


Thank you so very much!


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comment { display:none;  }From:Brian
  Barker [mailto:b.m.bar...@btinternet.com]
Subject:[libreoffice-users] Adding a / (forward slash)
Date:Saturday,
  April 4, 2020, 8:45 AM
To:users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc:Peter
  Dutton




At
  07:50 04/04/2020 -0400, Peter Dutton wrote:Thanks- the "/" works 
perfectly.Good-oh!Nothing's easy in this world.Many things are.What has been 
created in the calc
sheet is the day number of the year which is followed by the
"/".  In the cell beside the result is the remaining number of
days in the year. Here's an example of what I'd like to see for
this date (February 10, 2020)41 / 325In this case 325 is the remaining 
number of days in the year
2020 from the date Feb. 10. The cell in which the formula used
to obtain the figure of 325 is-=365-S4+1"S4" is the cell where the day 
number of the year is located
returned by the formula, as mentioned 
below-=DATEDIF($Begin_Here.$E$76,R4,"d")" / "I still don't think this is the 
clearest or best formula for what
  you need. (And you've lost the ampersand, though I suspect that's
  a "feature" of your mail system.)What happens to the remaining days
number in cell S4 the dreaded error - #VALUE! is returned. I
suspect this has something to do with the formatting of the cell
but can't figure it out.It's nothing to do with formatting: it's to do 
with, er, values.
  It's hardly surprising, since - as I made clear - what you have
  now put in S4 is not the number 41 but the *string* "41 / ", and
  that is not a number. You cannot calculate with strings (unless
  they happen to represent numbers in a simple way). What do you
  expect if you try to divide "three" by "two"? "one point five"?!Any 
ideas?Yes. Take the concatenated slash off your formula so that it
  creates the number 41 in S4, as before. Then use=S4" / "366-S4for your 
result.I trust this helps.Brian Barker
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Adding a / (forward slash)

[Peter Dutton]

Thanks- the"/" works perfectly.


Nothing's easy in this world. 




What has been created in the calc sheet is the day number of
the year which is followed by the "/".  In the cell beside the
result is the remaining number of days in the year.  Here's an
example of what I'd like to see for this date (February 10,
2020)


41 / 325


In this case 325 is the remaining
  number of days in the year 2020 from the date Feb. 10.
The cell in which the formula used to
  obtain the figure of 325 is-


=365-S4+1


"S4" is the cell where the day number
  of the year is located returned by the formula, as mentioned
  below-


=DATEDIF($Begin_Here.$E$76,R4,"d")"
  / "


What happens to the remaining days
  number in cell S4 the dreaded error-


#VALUE!   is returned.


I suspect this has something to do with
  the formatting of the cell but can't figure it out.


Any ideas?


Thanks,


Peter
From:Brian
  Barker [mailto:b.m.bar...@btinternet.com]
Subject:[libreoffice-users] Adding a / (forward slash)
Date:Friday,
  April 3, 2020, 9:55 PM
To:users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc:Peter
  Dutton




At
  20:24 03/04/2020 -0400, Peter Dutton wrote:Here's a formula I'm 
using=DATEDIF($Begin_Here.$E$76,R4,"d")The above formula returns the day number 
of the year where
$Begin_Here.$E$76 [...] the date of 12/31/19Cell R4 has the date 10 
(which is Monday, February 10, 2020)"10" is not a date - unless you mean the 
date that is internally
  stored as the number 10, which would be 9 January 1900! And that
  would be an error for the function, since the end date needs to be
  later than the start date."d" is the intervalWell, it's the unit in which 
you want the returned interval
  specified.Wouldn't it be easier to 
use=DAYS("2020-02-10";$Begin_Here.$E$76)or 
just="2020-02-10"-$Begin_Here.$E$76?Even more easily, abandon your "Begin_Here" 
value and try (with
  your 10 February 2020 date in R4)=R4-DATE(YEAR(R4)-1;12;31)This will 
produce the number 41 - providing the result cell is
  appropriately formatted.It would be nice to have a /
(forward slash) after the day number of the year which is
returned by the above formula. How can this be done?You can concatenate 
strings using the "" operator, so just
  put"/" after any of these formulae, such 
as=R4-DATE(YEAR(R4)-1;12;31)"/"The numerical value 41 is implicitly converted 
to a string and
  concatenated with the slash to create the *string* 41/ .I trust this 
helps.Brian Barker
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[libreoffice-users] Adding a / (forward slash)

[Peter Dutton]

Here's a formula I'm using


=DATEDIF($Begin_Here.$E$76,R4,"d")


The above formulareturns the day
number of the year where;


$Begin_Here.$E$76 
  $Begin_Here is a sheet and $E$76 is a cell (on that sheet)
  with the date of 12/31/19


Cell R4
  has the date 10 (which is Monday, February 10, 2020)


"d" is
  the interval




It
  would be nice to have a/(forward slash) after the
  day number of the year which is returned by the above formula.


How can
  this be done?




Thank
  you,




Peter


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Error invoking Help in Linux

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 02/04/2020 20:54, Valter Mura wrote:
> Hi All
> 
> I get an error when invoking the help through the Help menu or F1, in Linux.
> 
> This is the error:
> "Object not accessible.
> The object cannot be accessed
> due to insufficient user rights."
> 
> The program is installed correctly, and also the help package(s).
> 
> Another user told me that when he installed the "snap" package, the issue 
> disappeared.
> 
> Has anyone else experimented the same problem in a Linux environment?



Works for me with Debian Buster and LibreOffice Version: 6.4.2.2

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre base report writer

[Peter]

Yes. But if I select report libre base errors out and stops working. I 
have several reports which are in the menu system. They no longer work 
and if I select them libre base stops working. My version of Libre 
Office was installed from the ububtu repository.


Regards

Peter

On 13/12/19 11:48 pm, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 12/12/19 8:31 PM, Peter wrote:
Years ago when I first used Libre Base it had a built in reporting 
software. Yhe later versions do not include this. Is this software 
still available and if so how do I get it and install it?


Regards

Peter Goggin

When a base file is opened, the main window contains a vertical list 
on the left side containing four items: Table, Query, Form, and 
Report. The last one is the reporting software. Is this what you also 
see?


Dan






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[libreoffice-users] Libre base report writer

[Peter]

Years ago when I first used Libre Base it had a built in reporting 
software. Yhe later versions do not include this. Is this software still 
available and if so how do I get it and install it?


Regards

Peter Goggin


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[libreoffice-users] Re: AltGr functionality + Swedish Keyboard

[Peter Maunder]

Greetings,I have attached a copy of the Swedish Keyboard that I have on my
Linux+Mint Mate system after I added Swedish to my system. The four
characters on each keyboard are the standard Lowercase and Uppercase on the
left hand side and the AltGr Lowercase and AltGr Uppercase on the right hand
side. When you use LibreOffice and other applications that follow normal
protocols those are the keys and characters you find. Note, that the AltGr
is a separate key, and not a right hand duplicate of the left Alt key. If
you are using the Alt key for your own use you should use the left hand Alt
key.However, the keyboard command on your system will allow to to change the
behaviour of the keyboard from the operating system default, but tread
carefully if you change this.  

 



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[libreoffice-users] Re: AltGr functionality

[Peter Maunder]

I suggest you check your system/keyboard settings to sort out the default
system settings. How you do this will depend on your system first not LibO
and the actual keyboard, language and brand. What operating system and
language are you using, and what keyboard setting is defined?

AltGr is controlled by your system KEYBOARD setting. Technically they are
called LEVEL 3 and LEVEL 4 (AltGr and SHIFT-ALtGr). Level 1 and 2 are
Lowercase and Shift. The settings depend on your keyboard, language and the
use of Keyboard-OPTIONS. The keyboard input is then handed over to the
application, in this case LibreOffice.

For example on my Keyboard set to English (UK) international, many of the
European accents, are set using the AltGr, for example ç é á Ç É Á and €
(the latter is dependant on the option settings).

I also have American-International,  Irish, German(Switzerland) as
alternative keyboard settings to test different settings for LibO, oh and
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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO upgrade under Linux - delete old files

[Peter Maunder]

The Linux Mint update will update the same versions. Hence 6.1.6 will update
6.1.5 or 6.1.4 etc. It will not remove 6.0.x versions. Unlike Windows that
has no version control and can only run once version of LibO. This means I,
for example, on my Mint system run versions 5.4, 6.0, 6.1 and 6.2. So I can
test problems with various versions and move users across slowly.

So the Icons are specific to the version and you can have Icons to open
Writer 6.1 and 6.0. If that is not what you want then remove previous
versions of LibO.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] offline help

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 21/05/2019 01:31, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
> On 2019/05/17 19:40, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:
>> On 17/05/2019 11:09, Philip Jackson wrote:
>> Are you sure it's going on-line and not just displaying in a browser.
> You are right: in 6.1.5 the offline help opens using a browser and in
> the URL field it starts with "file ..."
> 
> In an 6.0.7 installation on Linux Mint 19, where the offline help works,
> the file opens other than with a browser.
> 
> And in the 6.0.7 installation on a Windows 7 Workstation the computer
> tells me
> "offline help is not installed"
> HOWEVER, I installed both Japanese and English versions, each one alone
> and together,
> tried to fiddle with the language setting (currently: interface =
> English, locale = Japanese), but that did not change anything.
> 
> This "offline help is not installed" is what I would like to change.
> Have not yet had the time to upgrade to 6.1.5, but should it not be
> possible to install the offline help also for 6.0.7?

If you are trying to install the HTML Help from the current version on
to 6.0.7 it cannot work as the older help system cannot recognise the
file type. Any help file you're installing must be from the same release
version. It's worth checking. :-)

Peter HB


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Re: [libreoffice-users] offline help

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 17/05/2019 11:09, Philip Jackson wrote:
> Hi :
> 
> I've had similar problems with LO Help in the past. Sadly I can't
> remember the detail of getting it to work but roughly it was linked with
> getting a correct alignment between the computer's 'system language' and
> the language settings in LO Options > Language settings
> 
> Perhaps you could start with that idea ?
> Philip
> 
> On 17/05/2019 09:58, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
>> Good afternoon
>> A few days I upgrade my (Windows 10) installation to LibreOffice 6.1.5.2
>> I also installed the offline help package.
>>
>> However, when I click on Help, it ALWAYS goes online.
>>
>> Is there a trick to make the offline help package work?

Are you sure it's going on-line and not just displaying in a browser.
The clue is in the address, where the URL begins with "file".

I don't recall when the change occurred, but it's been around for quite
a while.

Peter HB

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Toolbar Icons Missing after Updates (Solved)

[Peter Hemmings]

Steve,

On 19/02/2019 06:12, Steve Edmonds wrote:

Hi. I had this problem once and changed the button theme to resolve it.
This article talks about it. 
https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/162472/libreoffice-61-how-to-set-galaxy-icon-theme/
I can't remember exactly why this occurred on only 1 pc and not the 
others and what I changed to, but changing the theme got my icons back.


Yep this is what seems to be happening to me,  just on my PC no others.

I should have found the "Icon Theme" but missed it or did not actually 
reset it!


I just switched back from Cinnamon to gnome 3 and it was still there 
(used writer).


Went into tools/options/view/ and "icn style was "automatic (Breeze 
Dark)" which is in the drop down list.


Changed it to another theme "Breeze"  and it worked!!  Changed to 
"Breeze Dark" and it doesn't work.


I assume it was a theme that was previously set which is no longer 
available or is now corrupt!?


I had not changed any OL setting when this happened and any updates 
should have resolved any theme redundancies,  if this was the case then 
I hope highlighting the problem here should help prevent it happening in 
future.



steve

On 19/02/19 11:45 AM, Peter Hemmings wrote:

Hi,

All my LO icons are missing but the buttons are there and work.

After various tests I found that configuring a new user, it works.

Replacing the .config/libreoffice/ in the new user did not change the 
new user IE it still worked.


The problem only seems to be with LO and other programs work OK.

After further reading it seems the problem is to do with Gnome3 
integration but I cannot find any recent problems listed and do not 
know what/where to report it and what files are causing the problem 
and would appreciate some help in getting it resolved.


FYI I am running a fully updated Fedora 29 and have only installed 
programs from Fedora Repository.


I have seen info about "libreoffice -gnome" had cause the problem in 
the past but cannot find this for Fedora.


This problem has lasted for more than a month and no updates have 
removed the problem.


Thanks





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[libreoffice-users] LO Toolbar Icons Missing after Updates

[Peter Hemmings]

Hi,

All my LO icons are missing but the buttons are there and work.

After various tests I found that configuring a new user, it works.

Replacing the .config/libreoffice/ in the new user did not change the 
new user IE it still worked.


The problem only seems to be with LO and other programs work OK.

After further reading it seems the problem is to do with Gnome3 
integration but I cannot find any recent problems listed and do not know 
what/where to report it and what files are causing the problem and would 
appreciate some help in getting it resolved.


FYI I am running a fully updated Fedora 29 and have only installed 
programs from Fedora Repository.


I have seen info about "libreoffice -gnome" had cause the problem in the 
past but cannot find this for Fedora.


This problem has lasted for more than a month and no updates have 
removed the problem.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] I have been using open office, libre office and open everything since 1985

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 11/01/2019 10:58, fudmier wrote:
> 
> 
> but I can tell you what has happened to libre office over the past two
> years has turned me off..
> nothing about it is stable.. it stinks.
> 
Everyone apart from you is out of step??

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Help creating a locale xml file for Nigeria

[Peter Maunder]

LibreOffice uses Unicode, which supports the Nigerian Naira sign.

Unicode U+20A6 is Nigerian Naira Sign  ₦ 

Unicode U+20B5 is Ghanaian Cedi   ₵

But the font you use needs to support the sign. For example the Liberation
Sans I am using. And your operating system setup also needs to support your
use of Unicode. You do not state your operating system and language
settings. If you can find the Ghanaian Cedi, you should also have access to
the Naira. 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Save auto recovery information

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 17/02/18 09:17, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I'm not sure how to open as read-only myself but i'd guess a right-click
> either per file or on a group of selected files prolly has something.

Select "Open File" within Libre Office: in the dialogue box, in the
lower left hand corner is a clue and yes, it does function with multiple
selected files.

> I think chmod might help change which user "owns" the files - or put them
> on a volume/drive/folder that is mounted read-only - but that all seems a
> bit extreme.

It's more than a bit extreme, but changing the permissions on the
reference files would work, with possible side-effects. i.e. Libre
Office would probably try to auto-save and might regularly bleat about
its inability to do so.

> You could change the time-delay or completely eliminate the auto-save
> feature.  Such options used to be in;
> Tools - Options - ...
> or something like that and prolly still are.

Not a good idea if one wanted to auto-save the "live" document, however
depress F1 and search for "auto" in Help.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Save auto recovery information

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 14/02/18 20:42, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> Is it possible to make this setting on a per-document basis.
> It is a real interruption editing one document with 8-10 others open for
> reference only, that all auto-save and stop you editing the working
> document.
> 
> It would also be useful then to turn auto-save off for reference
> documents so they are not accidentally altered.
> 
> If not, possible enhancement. An auto-save on/off toggle in a top or
> bottom bar for easy reference and switching.

Just a guess, but why not open the "reference only" documents as read
only? I imagine that LibreOffice will not auto save such documents, but
if it does I would suggest that that's a bug.

Peter HB


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Installation of LO 6.0.0.3 (x64) on Win10Pro

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 02/02/18 17:27, Philip Jackson wrote:
> On 02/02/18 14:22, DaveB wrote:
>> The problem does not appear when the en_US Help Pack is installed.
> 
> Thanks for that idea, Dave. I just downloaded and installed the en_US
> pack and it all works as expected [at least at first glance. time will
> tell].  I wondered about removing the en_GB help pack first but I didn't
> - thought I'd just try the en_US.
> 
> So both are now installed and LO just recogniz(s)es the en_US version.
> 
> Maybe the LO help devs are based in the EU and they don't approve of
> Brexit ?

It works for me on up to date Windows 10. You haven't specified your
environment: that might be a good place to start in isolating your problem.

Peter HB


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Non-ASCII/UTF-8 double quote characters in text format?

[Peter Maunder]

You do not say which Language or operating system or version of LibO you are
using, however in general terms I hope the explanation below helps.


LibreOffice only uses Unicode, that is to say UTF-8 in your terms. The
characters you are seeing are actually Unicode. This provides support for
about 108,000 characters. US-ASCII uses the first 127 of these. So, if you
go to INSERT > SPECIAL CHARACTERS the first (decimal) 127 or (hexadecimal)
U+7F characters are the same. The double left and right quotation marks are
down in about U+201C. The double quotation is (decimal) 34 U+22 is also
available in US-ASCII.


If your particular problem is DOUBLE QUOTATION Marks, the variation is
Country / Language dependant. But you will find assistance using the HELP >
QUOTATION MARKS. You need to turn off the AUTOCORRECT OPTION if it does not
do what you want. I quote from the HELP PANEL. 


To Stop Replacing Quotation Marks
1. Choose Tools - AutoCorrect - AutoCorrect Options.
2. Click the Localised Options tab
3. Unmark the "Replace" check box(es).



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reports Libre Base

[Peter]

Generally I allow all updates that come through.  How do I add the 
kernal boot parameter? Is there any documentation that will guide me 
through this process?


Peter

On 29/11/17 06:47, Girvin Herr wrote:

Peter,

What indication do you have that LO crashes?
Does it lock up or disappear (a hard crash)?

If the former, LO may just be taking a long time to process something. 
Patience is a virtue. I have some reports that search on database 
string fields that are quite slow to process the report. I can go out 
and have a cup of coffee and maybe it will be done when I return.


If the latter, there is a known security fix problem with Linux 
kernels later than about 4.4.75 and Java. This problem affected 
LibreOffice, but not OpenOffice, from my experience. There is a fix, 
but it is technical, regarding stack frame gap size settings. The fix 
is to add a kernel boot parameter to your booter (Lilo or Grub or 
whatever). If you updated your *buntu since LO last worked, this may 
be your problem.


HTH.
Girvin Herr



On 11/27/2017 09:25 PM, Peter wrote:
Base is installed and for my financial database the only problem I 
have is reports. I followed the advice and installed the packages. 
This made no difference. When I open the data base and select a 
previously defined report the data bases crashes. If  I use the 
report creation facility when I select the report wizard again the 
data base crashes.


Does base log these failures and if so where can I look at it?

My fishing data base opens but I cannot open fofms , tables , queries 
etc.


This problem with Base has occurred in the last 12 months.

Any suggestions on what to do next will be gratefully received.


Peter




On 28/11/17 09:20, Keith Bates wrote:
I use Ubuntu 17.04 also, including the Libreoffice packages 
installed directly from Ubuntu. The default install excludes Base, 
and if you can't open a database, it seems like you don't have Base 
installed. sudo apt install libreoffice-base should fix that,


For reports the packages you need are libreoffice-report-builder and 
libreoffice-report-builder-bin. Use sudo apt install 
libreoffice-report-builder* and they should install.



Keith


On 28/11/17 08:45, Peter wrote:
I reinstalled Libre Office  Base from the Ubuntu repository. I 
assumed that this wouls automatically install all necessary 
packages. a=There is nothing that I can find in the__Ubuntu 
Software Repository that appears to relate to reports for 
LibreBase.  How can i find out what packages I have installed and 
what packages are required forreports to work.  I have an old data 
base which has not been uses since January 2015 which I tried to 
open today. This will no longer open for any thing , no forms or 
views or tables can be opened.


Peter

On 28/11/17 04:50, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi Peter,


Libre Base 1:5.1.6~rc2-0ubuntu1~xenial2

Ubuntu 16.4

When I first found the problem I removed LibreBase and 
reinstalled it

but the problem with reportsremained the  same.

This is a special Ubuntu-version of LO. Have a look into your
packagemanager. Did you install all packages for the
libreoffice-report-builder? Have heard there isn't only one package,
which should be installed for reports with the Ubuntu-version of LO.

Regards

Robert














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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reports Libre Base

[Peter]

Definitly a hard crash. When restarted it goes into a recovery process.  
If I install Open Office will it work with the Lire Base data bases or 
would I need to export the data and recreate new data bases?


Peter

On 29/11/17 06:47, Girvin Herr wrote:

Peter,

What indication do you have that LO crashes?
Does it lock up or disappear (a hard crash)?

If the former, LO may just be taking a long time to process something. 
Patience is a virtue. I have some reports that search on database 
string fields that are quite slow to process the report. I can go out 
and have a cup of coffee and maybe it will be done when I return.


If the latter, there is a known security fix problem with Linux 
kernels later than about 4.4.75 and Java. This problem affected 
LibreOffice, but not OpenOffice, from my experience. There is a fix, 
but it is technical, regarding stack frame gap size settings. The fix 
is to add a kernel boot parameter to your booter (Lilo or Grub or 
whatever). If you updated your *buntu since LO last worked, this may 
be your problem.


HTH.
Girvin Herr



On 11/27/2017 09:25 PM, Peter wrote:
Base is installed and for my financial database the only problem I 
have is reports. I followed the advice and installed the packages. 
This made no difference. When I open the data base and select a 
previously defined report the data bases crashes. If  I use the 
report creation facility when I select the report wizard again the 
data base crashes.


Does base log these failures and if so where can I look at it?

My fishing data base opens but I cannot open fofms , tables , queries 
etc.


This problem with Base has occurred in the last 12 months.

Any suggestions on what to do next will be gratefully received.


Peter




On 28/11/17 09:20, Keith Bates wrote:
I use Ubuntu 17.04 also, including the Libreoffice packages 
installed directly from Ubuntu. The default install excludes Base, 
and if you can't open a database, it seems like you don't have Base 
installed. sudo apt install libreoffice-base should fix that,


For reports the packages you need are libreoffice-report-builder and 
libreoffice-report-builder-bin. Use sudo apt install 
libreoffice-report-builder* and they should install.



Keith


On 28/11/17 08:45, Peter wrote:
I reinstalled Libre Office  Base from the Ubuntu repository. I 
assumed that this wouls automatically install all necessary 
packages. a=There is nothing that I can find in the__Ubuntu 
Software Repository that appears to relate to reports for 
LibreBase.  How can i find out what packages I have installed and 
what packages are required forreports to work.  I have an old data 
base which has not been uses since January 2015 which I tried to 
open today. This will no longer open for any thing , no forms or 
views or tables can be opened.


Peter

On 28/11/17 04:50, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi Peter,


Libre Base 1:5.1.6~rc2-0ubuntu1~xenial2

Ubuntu 16.4

When I first found the problem I removed LibreBase and 
reinstalled it

but the problem with reportsremained the  same.

This is a special Ubuntu-version of LO. Have a look into your
packagemanager. Did you install all packages for the
libreoffice-report-builder? Have heard there isn't only one package,
which should be installed for reports with the Ubuntu-version of LO.

Regards

Robert














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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reports Libre Base

[Peter]

Base is installed and for my financial database the only problem I have 
is reports. I followed the advice and installed the packages. This made 
no difference. When I open the data base and select a previously defined 
report the data bases crashes. If  I use the report creation facility 
when I select the report wizard again the data base crashes.


Does base log these failures and if so where can I look at it?

My fishing data base opens but I cannot open fofms , tables , queries etc.

This problem with Base has occurred in the last 12 months.

Any suggestions on what to do next will be gratefully received.


Peter




On 28/11/17 09:20, Keith Bates wrote:
I use Ubuntu 17.04 also, including the Libreoffice packages installed 
directly from Ubuntu. The default install excludes Base, and if you 
can't open a database, it seems like you don't have Base installed. 
sudo apt install libreoffice-base should fix that,


For reports the packages you need are libreoffice-report-builder and 
libreoffice-report-builder-bin. Use sudo apt install 
libreoffice-report-builder* and they should install.



Keith


On 28/11/17 08:45, Peter wrote:
I reinstalled Libre Office  Base from the Ubuntu repository. I 
assumed that this wouls automatically install all necessary packages. 
a=There is nothing that I can find in the__Ubuntu Software Repository 
that appears to relate to reports for LibreBase.  How can i find out 
what packages I have installed and what packages are required 
forreports to work.  I have an old data base which has not been uses 
since January 2015 which I tried to open today. This will no longer 
open for any thing , no forms or views or tables can be opened.


Peter

On 28/11/17 04:50, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi Peter,


Libre Base 1:5.1.6~rc2-0ubuntu1~xenial2

Ubuntu 16.4

When I first found the problem I removed LibreBase and reinstalled it
but the problem with reportsremained the  same.

This is a special Ubuntu-version of LO. Have a look into your
packagemanager. Did you install all packages for the
libreoffice-report-builder? Have heard there isn't only one package,
which should be installed for reports with the Ubuntu-version of LO.

Regards

Robert








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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reports Libre Base

[Peter]

I reinstalled Libre Office  Base from the Ubuntu repository. I assumed 
that this wouls automatically install all necessary packages. a=There is 
nothing that I can find in the__Ubuntu Software Repository that appears 
to relate to reports for LibreBase.  How can i find out what packages I 
have installed and what packages are required forreports to work.  I 
have an old data base which has not been uses since January 2015 which I 
tried to open today. This will no longer open for any thing , no forms 
or views or tables can be opened.


Peter

On 28/11/17 04:50, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi Peter,


Libre Base 1:5.1.6~rc2-0ubuntu1~xenial2

Ubuntu 16.4

When I first found the problem I removed LibreBase and reinstalled it
but the problem with reportsremained the  same.

This is a special Ubuntu-version of LO. Have a look into your
packagemanager. Did you install all packages for the
libreoffice-report-builder? Have heard there isn't only one package,
which should be installed for reports with the Ubuntu-version of LO.

Regards

Robert



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reports Libre Base

[Peter]

Libre Base 1:5.1.6~rc2-0ubuntu1~xenial2

Ubuntu 16.4

When I first found the problem I removed LibreBase and reinstalled it 
but the problem with reportsremained the  same.



Peter

On 28/11/17 01:33, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 27/11/2017 à 10:58, Peter a écrit :

Hi Peter,

It might help us more to know which version of LibreOffice you are using
and on which version of Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based distribution.


Alex









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[libreoffice-users] Reports Libre Base

[Peter]

I run Libre Office on Ubuntu. I store all of my financial data in a 
LibreBase data base.  When this was first set up I defined a number of 
reports. These worked properly until this year. Now if I run areport or 
try to define one the data base crashes. While it recovers without loss 
of data. I cannot get any of the reports to work. Some thing is 
obviously missing of broken. Apart from reports the database works 
normally.  I assume the database produces an error report when I try to 
work with reporting. Where do I look for this?


Any help greatly appreciated.

Regards

Peter Goggin


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[libreoffice-users] Problems with Libre Office base on Ubuntuoffice.org

[Peter]

I have an existing data base with a number of reports. These were 
working last year at tax time. Now The existing reports do not run and I 
cannot create new reports. Each time I create a new report or run an 
exiisting report the data base crashes and I have to do a recovery. The 
data base was created from within Libre base.


Where do I look for error reports and has anyone else had this problem. 
I am running the software with Ubuntu on a laptop.



Regards


Peter Goggin




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Having issues with FontWorks?

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 20/04/17 15:09, anne-ology wrote:
[cut]

 From: "Michael D. Setzer II" <mi...@guam.net> To:
> users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Bcc: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 01:25:30
> +1000 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Having issues with FontWorks?
> 
> Have a Harley Owners Group Image, and I'm trying to insert a curved 
> chapter name in the image. Found a nice tutorial on doing it, but it
> is for version 3.2. I have the latest version, and it isn't the
> same.

Just a suggestion: Import the Harley image into inkscape, create a new
layer and create your desired text there. Why use a word processor to
manipulate graphics?

Peter HB


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Re: [libreoffice-users] in response ...

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

Charles, one can only admire your patience, but isn't it time to put a
stop to this nonsense with anne-ology (who I'm sure is not the
delightful Maureen, despite her use of the "-ology" suffix).

Who has the authority to remove her from the moderator role, for which
she seems singularly un-qualified?

On 02/02/17 13:51, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> Anne-ology,
> 
> You are right, that is the general meaning of moderation. However, when
> we talk about moderation here, we talk about mailing list moderation.
> When we talk about moderator, we refer to a mailing list moderator, not
> to concepts such as panel moderators. A mailing list moderator has a
> specific role, which somewhat relates to the one of a moderator but is
> much more strict: it has been described a bit earlier but let me restate
> it: A mailing list moderator is in charge of the management of the
> mailing list. This role mostly includes moderating emails, which means:
> - finding legitimate emails of posters who are not subscribed to the
> mailing list and moderating them as in publishing them to the list (NOT
> REPLYING TO THEM FIRST)
> - rejecting incoming illegitimate emails, such as spam.
> 
> Another role of the list moderator usually (but not always) involves:
> - adding or unsubscribing email addresses per request of their owner
> - helping mailing list subscribers with similar tasks or technical
> issues directly related to their mailing list subscription
> - reminding everyone to be courteous
> - following the netiquette (http://www.netiquette.org) and reminding
> mailing list subscribers to comply with it.
> 
> Among all these points only the last two may relate somewhat more the
> broader meaning of "moderation".
> 
> In short your daily task is not one moderation but rather one of
> technical management. It also implies that you know how to post properly
> and understand the concept of mailing list discussion threads. From my
> perspective it seems you are not familiar with the concept,or that you
> perhaps have no desire to become acquainted with these notions which
> would be problematic for a mailing list moderator. Hence, there is no
> need to "clean" any "cruft from an email. Signs, mentions of date, time,
> etc. in an email are part of its information and may form a part of the
> thread. We need that. I notice you have managed to start a new thread
> "Re: [libreoffice-users] in response ..." that is not integrated with
> the original thread. This is not correct and you seem to do this for
> each one of your reply.
> 
> Below is one page belonging to another community that may be helpful to
> you:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Charles
> (who, by top-posting, does not comply to the netiquette).
> 
> 
> 
> Le 02.02.2017 01:56, anne-ology a écrit :
>> Do you know what moderation means?
>>
>>
>>moderation := "the avoidance of excess or extremes, especially in
>> one's behavior or political opinions"
>>
>>
>>
>> From: toki 
>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 9:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] in response ...
>> To:
>> Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
>>
>>
>> On 01/31/2017 01:54 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>
>>> It is not always possible to "do the right thing" so it is good that
>>
>> The correct thing is to _approve_ the message, not _respond_ within the
>> message. As such, it is _always_ possible to do the right thing.
>>
>> That is basic moderation 101
>>
>> jonathon
> 


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[libreoffice-users] Re Libre Bsea

[Peter]

I use Libre Base to keep all of my personal financial record.
I make a niumber of regular monthly contributions to various 
organisations.  Is there any way I can automatically enter them all at 
the beginning of the financial year. Our financial year runs for 1st 
July to 30th June.


Regards

Peter Goggin

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Re: [libreoffice-users] background images in business cards

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 21/12/16 22:56, Gary Dale wrote:
> This is ridiculous. I've just been reading a question from a 2008 (3.2)
> version of OpenOffice.org that is the same as my current problem. Namely
> that you can't place images in the background on a business card.
> 
> I'm using LibreOffice 5.2 (Debian) and when I insert an image, it
> refuses to go behind the text whether I select Arrange | Send to back or
> Wrap | wrap through. It will go behind the text if I select Wrap | in
> background but then it disappears. And no, before you ask, the paragraph
> fill is set to none.
> 
> I finally found a setting in Format | Page | Transparency where setting
> the transparency to 100% worked. Strangely the original setting was 50%
> which resulted in the background image being hidden completely. A quick
> experiment revealed that ANY setting other than 100% hid the background
> image.
> 
> I have no idea what this "feature" is for but it seems completely
> unintuitive and in conflict with the paragraph background setting, not
> to mention the wrap in background feature.
> 
> So my beef is:
> 1) Arrange doesn't appear to work on labels,
> 2) wrap through doesn't appear to work on labels,
> 3) there seems to be a page background that is in front of any
> background image,
> 4) the transparency setting for that page background only has two values
> - 100% or opaque, and
> 5) this situation has been around for at least 8 years without being fixed.
> 
> Why can't the developers address these basic problems?

If you use a table for your layout then placing an image in the
background behaves as you would wish. Sadly LibreOffice uses a
frame-based layout for labels and that might be where your problem lies.

I do not experience problems with my Avery business card stock using the
table based approach.

Peter HB



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Overly aggressive autofomatting issues in LibreOffice

[Peter]

On 27/08/16 00:13, M Henri Day wrote:

​This *Wapo* article (
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/26/an-alarming-number-of-scientific-papers-contain-excel-errors/)​
- while dealing more specifically with Microsoft's Excel, should, as noted
in the next-to-last paragraph, give even LibreOffice developers pause. If
the claim that LibreOffice behaves like Microsoft Office in this particular
respect is indeed true, then I submit that some attention should be devoted
to making turning off autoformatting in Calc easier for users

Henri

As a research  scientist of over 28 years, I do NOT believe the problem 
is with the spread sheet software but merely due to poor proof reading 
of the author and (presumably papers are sent for independent review 
before publication) by the independent reviewer. If this problem has 
been known for 10 years then even more shame on the authors and 
reviewers. Spreadsheets are meant for mathematical use (hence Open 
Office Calc). If you use a program for something other than it primary 
purpose the you need to take steps to ensure the appropriate steps to 
protect your data integrity.



Regards

Peter

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[libreoffice-users] Re: 5.1.1 breaks anchored-as-character frames

[Peter Maunder]

If you really want to install older versions of LibO,
https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/4.2.8.2/ will
point you to 4.2.8, although I would not commender going back to these older
versions. The normal download site currently gives the options of 5.04,
5.0.5 and 5.1.0. Remember that all of these versions will use the same
.config/libreoffice file with Ubuntu/Mint.

Are you sure your problems are with the version of LibO and not the
installation itself or problems with the config file?...Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Libre Office und IE, Webseiten

[Peter Heinicke]

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
Hallo 


Ich habe meinen Acer Aspire 5742G auf win 10 umgestellt. Seit diesen Tag gibt 
es Probleme mit dem IE, beim suchen im Internet las ich das, das ´ich nicht der 
einzige bin und dies auch mit anderen Browsern ist.
Folgendes ist bei mir, ich kann Webseiten ins Word Pad 
schieben(kopieren/einfügen) aber das funktioniert nicht mit Libre Office. So 
wird auch mein Drucker nur beim Drucken von Webseiten nicht gefunden.

Meine Frage gibt es eine Lösung, Einstellung  für Libre?

Eine Telefongespräch mit dem Support Microsoft brachte nichts. Die meinen ich 
muss über Microsoft Office gehen und es liegt an meinen System selbst. Ich 
müsste immer ein Gerät haben was nicht älter als zwei Jahre ist und mich an 
Acer wenden.
Das wäre dann wohl die größte Abzocke.
Ich hoffe das es eine Lösung gibt die nicht Neukauf heißt.

Danke schon mal 

Gruß….Peter H.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[Peter Maunder]

Hi Tom,

We use both LibreOffice and Thunderbird running under Linux-Mint. I have
been concerned about the future of Thunderbird since the Mozilla statement
concerning the future of the software.

I am delighted that The Document Foundation is considering bringing TB under
its wing, thoroughly support this aim and have the following brief comments.

1) We should not change the name, as this will lead to confusion. I still
have problems with my users confusing LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org. Some
of them still call LibreOffice OpenOffice although they have been usingLibO
for some time.

2) Thunderbird is cross system and runs under Linux, Windows and MacOS, just
like LibO.

3) LibO supports the Mozilla Personas/Theme function, but the operational
interface of LibO leaves a great deal to be desired. Perhaps we could import
the user interface of Thunderbird Personas Plus to LibO to fix this lack. We
could thus manage the header/footer loock consistently across the products.

Anyway, I wish the project every success Peter



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with Document- Bad Behavior

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 05/02/16 14:19, rgarcia7 wrote:
> Greetings.
> 
> https://cloud.openmailbox.org/index.php/s/4ulZUqq3zP3Ewye
> 
> This document gets a blinking white box on pages 60-63,
> but i don't know if this a bug or a error in the file structure.
> 
> Document exported from Google Drive (It was uploaded as PDF) as .docx .
> 
> Tested on:
> - LibreOffice 5.0.3.2 (Fresh) on Linux Ubuntu
> - LibreOffice 4.4.7.2 (Still) on Windows 7 64-bit
> 
> Thanks for your Help.

confirmed with LibreOffice 5.0.4.2 under Debian 8.3

Peter HB


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.4, 5.0 : firefox personas not work with path url...why?

[Peter Maunder]

I was pleased to see this interest in using Firefox and Thunderbird Personas
with LibreOffice. My wife and I use personas that I have created and stored
on our computers all the time. I don't normally download them from the
internet. There are several bug reports that may be or general interest.

85549 Personas lost upgrading from 4.3 to 4.4 .  You should be aware that
the folders changed when upgrading from 4.3 to 4.4 or 5.x. Each personas is
now in a separate folder  for example /gallery/personas/personas name. So
any change made for 4.3 must be upgraded for use in 4.4/5.x.

86544 Personalization: New browser for Firefox themes improvements.
Discusses some improvements. 

93599 Personalization and themes. Further discussion.

I use the Firefox Personas Plus addon to test Personas created and stored on
my system before loading them onto LibO. I wish that LibreOffice had the
same function.

Peter



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LEBRE VERSION STILL

[Peter Nikolic]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:25:23 +0100
Gabriele Ponzo  wrote:

> 2015-11-05 17:20 GMT+01:00 Ken Springer :
> 
> > I don't have money to pay to have it fixed (one of the reasons I
> > try to use open source/free software),
> >
> 
> That should be the last reason to choose Open Source Software… I can
> understand it, since it was the same for me in the far 90's, but
> sooner or later you should go deeper and try understanding the
> principles behind OSS.
> 
> I'm not anyone's beta tester.   
> >
> > So you'd want a perfect product, without paying money nor time to
> > commit
> somehow (just like beta testing or translating or whatever else
> commitment)?
> 
> 
> > Which is why I've just started trying FreeOffice from Softmaker.
> > Do I know for a fact it will do what I need?  No, that's why I'm
> > trying it out.   If FreeOffice doesn't do it, there are others
> > to try.   :-)
> >
> 
> Well, maybe you'll find a free "product" that suites your needs,
> possibly not open, so that you'll be locked in its own encoding cage.
> 
> Please respect people of the community and avoid insulting with your
> requirements about taking without giving anything back.
> ---
> Gabriele Ponzo
> 

+1 ...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Images not printing

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 22/10/15 22:57, Aureli wrote:
> Yes, this is the one that fixed it:
> 
> Deselect:  Tools/Options/View/"Use OpenGL for all rendering"
> 
> Problem persisted until I re-started Write.
> 
> Thank you all for the help, my daughter will be delighted when she 
> prints in the morning her first typed essay.

[cut]

I'm pleased that your problem is resolved: your file has been deleted
from my machine. For what it's worth, it prints correctly under Debian 8
and LibreOffice 5.0.2.2

Peter HB


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Images not printing

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 22/10/15 18:44, Aureli wrote:
> Hi, Thanks for the tips but the problem persists.
> 
> I installed LO just a couple of days ago and it is version 5.0.2.2. 
> running in Win 10 Home with no problems so far.
> 
> I have now uninstalled Office, it was the trial copy so no payments
> yet, but expired and could only read files after that.
> 
> My printer HP laserjet P1102W has been printing correctly all along,
>  only that Writer still does not print images.  Also, something that
> I didn't mention earlier, at the very top margin, it prints what it
> seems to be the bottom part of some text.  I'll attach a scan of the
>  printout.  If I increase the font of the text, the very top half
> hidden text prints bigger too.  I am attaching a scan of the printout
> (I'm not sure if this will show in the forum). The image should have
> been printed right after the text.

[cut]
Can you share the file? It shouldn't be too hard to find the solution.

Peter HB


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Images not printing

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 22/10/15 20:07, Aureli wrote:
> Sure, here it is.

Thanks. I'll look at it in the morning.

> 
> A.
> 
> 
>> [cut]
>> Can you share the file? It shouldn't be too hard to find the solution.
>>
>> Peter HB


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Fwd: Same bug in Fresh and Still

[Peter Nikolic]

On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:07:16 +0100
Brian Barker  wrote:

> At 02:13 23/09/2015 -0500, Julio Saleme wrote:
> >I was using the Fresh 5.0.1 version and encounter two bugs in Writer
> >
> >1) at random times when I'm typing the text move to two or three
> >lines above. 2) random black selection shadow appears as I'm
> >writing, when correcting a text and start erasing everything instead
> >of editing (As shown in the picture)
> 
> Attached files are removed by the mailing list processor before 
> messages are distributed. So no-one will have seen your picture.
> 
> >So I downgraded to the stable version of Still 4.4.5 but the same 
> >two bugs happen. How to fix it?
> 
> It's possible that this is not a software bug and has nothing to do 
> with LibreOffice. Are you perhaps using a system - probably a 
> notebook - with a touch-sensitive trackpad? if so, it is quite 
> possible that you are touching the trackpad with part of your hand - 
> perhaps your thumb - or dragging it over the trackpad whilst you are 
> typing. These actions will respectively move the cursor position or 
> select a region of text, producing exactly the effects you describe. 
> The fact that it occurs with different software versions provides 
> extra evidence for this diagnosis. You notice it in LibreOffice 
> because that is the application you mostly use.
> 
> You will probably find it difficult to believe that you are doing 
> this, but I can assure you that I have watched people doing exactly 
> this! Since you are concentrating on typing, you will not be aware of 
> exactly what your thumb is doing. Get someone to watch you typing in 
> order to be convinced. If this is your problem, you will find that 
> you can adjust the sensitivity of the trackpad; this setting will be 
> in your operating system (in Control Panel? under Mouse?), not in 
> LibreOffice. If you reduce the sensitivity sufficiently, you should 
> find this problem goes away.
> 
> I trust this helps.
> 
> Brian Barker
> 
> 

I was about to say the same thing .


As i suffer from the self same problem it is the track pad on this
laptop that causes my problem, I now use a piece of cardboard to cover
the track pad most of the time  .

Problem fixed ..



Pete .


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Re: [libreoffice-users] OS hangs while visiting a LO wiki page

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 15/09/15 13:48, Ady Ady wrote:
>  Hello Users of LibreOffice,
> 
> Once in a while I visit the Release Plan wiki page,
>  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
> 
> From that wiki page, I recently tried to visit the "5.0.2" -> "RC1"
> page (more than once), but my OS hangs when I click on the relevant
> link.
> 
> Of course, it could be just a coincidence. I am reluctant to try to
> reach these pages again, especially considering that every new wiki
> page in the series is based on the prior one.
> 
> I am using Windows Vista Home Basic 32-bit, with Internet Explorer 9
> and Mozilla Firefox 40.0.3, all updated.
> 
> The strange behavior happened with both web browsers.
> 
> I don't know whether some security tool being in use (e.g. Avast)
> might be relevant.
> 
> I wanted to share this unusual experience, in case someone else
> happens to see it too (or something similar, or at least uncommon),
> and/or maybe it might be worth someone checking the source of these
> wiki pages (and their related nested templates).
> 
> I am aware that this behavior (hanging OS) would be considered
> "unlikely to be triggered by some wiki page". The fact that it
> happened to me more than once while following the same links (but
> nowhere else) pushed me to at least comment on it.
> 
> TIA,
> Ady.
> 
No problems with Debian and Iceweasel.

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RE: [libreoffice-users] WordPad

[Peter Pullman]

 
Group:
 
This thank-you is to all who responded. 
 
I'm grateful for all of the help.
 
This is an active group, to judge by the number of responses that my simple 
(er, naïve; maybe, stupid as well) query received.
 
You are, also, an informative, spirited (er, maybe, contentious as well) group. 
 
Most of you realized how little I knew about LO. I still know little, though 
all of you have helped to push away, a good distance, the darkness that had 
engulfed me.
 
First: I solved the problem of putting a WordPad document into LO so that I 
could benefit from its vastly superior features. I don't know what I'd been 
doing incorrectly, but I now go directly to my desktop LO icon to work on my 
novel.
 
(By the way, at the risk of being told, again, that I don't know what I'm doing 
- I don't - I found that when backing up my desktop to an external hard drive, 
LO didn't copy to it as the other programs did; I had to back it up on its 
own.)  
 
On the main matter: There is no way, if I understand all of you, to have the 
program save my changes without my answering Yes to the question when exiting a 
document. 
 
I'd been looking for an automatic, periodic save without exiting; while 
autosave does that, it's only for the purpose of retrieving the document in 
case of a malfunction. (Do I have that right? No?)
 
Even having the option set to saving every five minutes is of no help if I then 
exit without saying Yes to a save. . . . And, as one poster put it, that's a 
good thing.
 
It seems that hitting control+s does do the kind of 'internal' save that I 
seek; I just have to remember to do it periodically. Thanks to the poster who 
recommended that. (As I say, I know so little about all of this.)
 
To the poster who said that I was wrong, that I didn't join LO because it's not 
a membership: Yes, I did. In order to take part in this forum, I had to sign up.
 
I'm glad that I did. Long may you all, in your various ways of using and 
explaining LO, reign.
 
Peter Pullman

 
 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:06:34 -0700
 From: dennistheti...@chez-vrolet.net
 To: peterpull...@hotmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] WordPad
 
 On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 07:07:53 -0700 (MST)
 peterpullman peterpull...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  I tried to put the contents of a WordPad document in a file that I had
  created using Libre Office.
  
  I joined Libre because I would like to have its AutoSave function.
  
  When I exited and then re-entered this Libre file, I saw that AutoSave
  hadn't worked.
 
 I need to clarify this.  If I am correct in reading this, the following
 steps took place:
 
 * Created file in Libreoffice; saved it in a format that Wordpad
 would understand; worked on it; closed file
 * Opened file in Wordpad, noted the lack of changes, maybe worked on it,
 closed file
 
 Am I correct?  If not, please outline what happened.  If I'm correct,
 please note how long you worked on the file in LibreOffice.
 
 Thanks,
 -Dennis
  
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermarks

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 09/08/15 08:11, Tim Lloyd wrote:
 I have to say I am beaten by this. I had a look at some old doco which
 echoed what Joe said. Any takers?
 
 On 09/08/15 05:31, Joe Conner wrote:
 Using Ubuntu 15.04 64bit
 Using Version: 4.4.5.2
 I am trying to insert a watermark into a writer document.
 The help files says:

 1.

Choose *Format - Page*.

 2.

On the *Background* tab page, select a background color or a
background graphic.

 However, there is NO background tab  on *Format - Page***. What
 happened? To where
 was it moved?

 Now, how do you create a watermark?

 Thank you. Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA USA

 
 
Further to my previous post: the 'Area' tab may not be so useful after
all. There is no obvious way of employing a user chosen bitmap rather
than the pre-set patterns which, whilst not a show-stopper, would
involve a certain amount of fiddling to put a user chosen bitmap into
the selection list.

Peter HB

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office Base

[Peter Goggin]

I have read with interest the comments about Libre Office.  Over the 
years I have managed large (100 Million records and small databases ( 1 
million records or less) using Oracle, running in Unix machines. I have 
also developed  a number of small ( less than 100,000 records ) using a 
variety of data base software (e. g. Paradox, Dbase, MS Access etc ). 
Over the last few years, since I retired I have run Oracle  on Linux. 
Mysql, and now Libre Base.  For my current needs I have found Libre Base 
more than adequate.  I use straight out of the box and use its internal 
data base engine. I currently run four data bases, the largest has about 
10,000 records.  I have found it possible to produce the reports I need 
and the data summaries etc just as easily as I could in MS Access or 
even Oracle. The developers deserve congratulations on producing this 
product.  If I were forced to pay for MS products I would have to stop 
my computing since XP is no longer supported and I cannot afford to buy 
the latest windows and associated software.


Like all software Libre Base has its quirks and the documentation 
probably needs improving but overall it is a very useful product. If 
problems occur it is well worth reading the available documentation and 
then if the solution is not obvious e-mail the list.


Regards


Peter Goggin







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Business Cards - Printing - Libre Writer version 4.3.5.2

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 15/03/15 00:18, charles meyer wrote:
 Hi Folks,
 
 I’ve never printed business cards using Libre Writer and it didn’t go
 well using the Avery online template.
 
 I have blank sheets of cardstock (bought at Office Depot) to print my
 own business cards with logo - one sided only.
 
 There’s 10 business cards on each sheet of cardstock - 2 across and 5 down.
 
 Each card is 2 inches by 3.5 inches.
 
 Is there some kind of a template in Libre Writer for business card printing?
 
 I’ll bet you can do it by using tables or charts but that’s way past
 my expertise.
 
 Thanks so much!
 
 Charles.
 
Depending upon where you live I might be able to help. I created a
table-based template for just such a purpose and if you use the
International standard A4 sized stock I would be happy to send you a
copy. If you are using US Letter sized stock you still might want the
template and modify it to suit.

Let me know.

Peter HB


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Where is Base?

[Peter Goggin]

Much of the e-mails on Base have focussed on negative aspects. It is 
worth remembering that for moderate size data bases (a few thousand 
records, a dozen tables) it is perfectly adequate.  I have now converted 
all of my data ase applications for MS Access to run on Base with its 
internal data base. All of them perform better than they did using MS 
Access. I would not regard either Base or Access as suitable for a large 
multiuser data base application.  The only linux based large data base I 
have developed I used MySQL with a web based front end using php to 
interface to the data base.


Regards


Peter Goggin


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Where is Base?

[Peter Goggin]

I have read with interest the emails on Base.   I have always regarded 
the data base component of Open Office, Libre office as the equivalent 
to the datbase component of MS Access.   I have 5 data bases, originally 
run under windows and MS Access which I have converted to run under 
Libre Base. I have found the LibreBase is probable slightly easier to 
use than MS Access and it certainly copes very well with my data bases, 
all of which are small. (The biggest has about 5000 records) The only 
problem I have had is in a new database where I needed to store photos 
against each record. It quickly gave up after about 4 records. I am not 
certain why, but other claims on my time have prevented me for 
investigating what caused the problem.


I was a database administrator for many years with extremely large data 
bases (millioms of records) using Oracle, etc.  When I needed to manage 
a large data base (about 100,000 records, 30 to 40 users) in linux, I 
used MySQL with web based front end using PHP to connect to the database.


My advice to people needing to use databases is to use Base for small 
databases (less than 1 records). For larger bases consider using 
Mysql with a web based front end and PHP to connect to the databse.


Regards


Peter Goggin



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Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

 See the title barOn 31/12/14 01:56, anne-ology wrote:
would you please explain how you're able to open these PDFs so.
 
 
 
 From: charles meyer reachmepl...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:57 PM
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open
 Office
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 
 
 I've discovered, at least with my new Libre Office 4.3.5.2, that I can
 open a PDF or .jpg in Writer and not have to open Draw.

No you can't! You may start in Writer, but when you open a PDF file you
should observe a switch to Draw. See the title bar to confirm.

 I can also insert images (from file) into these respective documents
 and then print them to a PDF, if desired, or save as .odt, MS Word,
 etc.

I would be very surprised if you are able to save as anything other than
a Draw document (.odg), or Draw template. Of course you will be able to
*print* as a PDF after editing.

Happy New Year


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Re: [libreoffice-users] mongodb and base

[Peter Goggin]

 in the 
successful implementation of a project involving large amounts of data 
and a number of users.


Over the years I have been involves in the design and implementation of 
a number of data base systems involving large amounts of data ( many 
millions of records) and many users (in excess of 100). Without the 
steps outlined above such systems are extremely unlikely to be 
successfully developed.


By the way if your clients do require lots of special ad hoc reports SQL 
provides a convenient way of developing them.


Regards

Peter Goggin

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Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Setting Base to open with a slected form

[Peter Goggin]

The solution to getting LibreBase to open with a particular form 
involves several steps:

1. Create a macro
/Sub Menu_Main( )
Dim ObjTypeWhat
Dim ObjName As String
ObjTypeWhat = com.sun.star.sdb.application.DatabaseObject.FORM
ObjName = MainMenuForm 'The name of the form you want to open at Base 
start-up, this needs to exist.
If ThisDatabaseDocument.FormDocuments.hasbyname(ObjName) Then 'Check the 
form exists
ThisDataBaseDocument.CurrentController.Connect() 'If the form exists 
connect to the database
ThisDatabaseDocument.CurrentController.loadComponent(ObjTypeWhat, 
ObjName, FALSE) 'Open the form

Else
MsgBox This is embarrassing, sorry, can't find the requested form to 
open!+chr(10)+Form Name =   ObjName + chr(10)+Check the details. , 
48, DS4A SBM encountered a problem!

End if
End Sub/
2. Call the macro when the data base is opened:
From the top tool bar  select: Toolscustomiseopendocument
Add macro Main_menu to this selection.

When the data base is opened there is a delay of about 1 second before 
the form named in the macro opens.
This isn't quite as fast as Access, but in many other areas I found 
LibreBase to be more intuitive and than MS Access. I was able to convert 
my data bases from Access to LibreBase with all of the functionality the 
original Access databases, including reports, and in some cases with 
improved functionality.


Regards


Peter Goggin



On 05/11/14 12:51, Mark LaPierre wrote:

Hey Tom,

It would be nice to post the solution here on the string that is
labelled [Solved] so that people searching for the solution can find
it.  Maybe Peter should do that since he seems to have a better grip on
the solution.

On 11/04/14 04:33, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Peter has let me know, off-list, that he solved the problem.  Details are
sketchy (ie i didn't understand) but he's working on the Base Handbook at
the moment so this is a distraction.


Anyone who fancies their chances of being able to proof-read a chapter or 2
would be a huge help in getting the Base Handbook published more quickly.

Most chapters have been reviewed (tested for technical accuracy) already
and been kinda proof-read once but a final round of proof-reading would
help reassure those who have been involved with getting the guide/handbook
this far.

There are still a few chapters that need reviewing but it's tough work so
just proof-reading those already done would be great and could be done by
almost anyone.

Regards from
Tom :)



On 3 November 2014 21:40, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi :)
Has anyone had any luck trying to find the thread Noel was referring to?
Is it possible to give a link to specific threads?

Has anyone here been able to convert a database from Access?

Has anyone been able to set-up a database file so that when it opens it
goes straight to a main form instead of into a design view?  Is this
something that might be better done using a form that is made in Writer?

Regards from
Tom :)





On 27 October 2014 09:26, Marion  Noel Lodge lodg...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Peter,

This question was asked recently.  If you go to -
  http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/nabble/
and search for How to open a particular form at startup you will find
the
thread.

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On 27 October 2014 19:08, Peter Goggin petergog...@bigpond.com wrote:


I have completed the conversion of my Access contacts data base to
LibreBase. The only problem I have not solved is to get the database to
open with my main menu form. This could easlly be set in MS Access ut so
far I cannot find the mechanism for doing this in Base.  Is rhere a way

of

doing this? Or do I have to open the data base and manully select the

for i

want to start with?

Regards

Peter Goggin

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing Reports from BASE

[Peter Goggin]

On 28/10/14 15:01, Marion  Noel Lodge wrote:

Hi Peter,

A macro similar to this should do what you want -

Sub PrintReport()
 ThisDatabaseDocument.ReportDocuments.getbyname(name of your
report).open()
End Sub

Then edit your Menu form, double click on the Print button and under Events
| 'Mouse button pressed', link the button to the PrintReport() sub.  Then
when you run your application, clicking on the button should fire your
report.

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On 28 October 2014 13:24, Peter Goggin petergog...@bigpond.com wrote:


I have a report run from a push button on a menu form. I can print it from
the screen, but in Access I was able to program a push button to print id
directly.  Is this possible in BASE? I cannot find any reference to this.

Regards


Peter Goggin

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Thanks for the suggestion. However all the subroutine does is display 
the report on the screen. I want to be able to send it to the printer 
without first displaying it on the screen. So far I cannot see any 
reference on how to doi this.


Regards

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[libreoffice-users] Setting Base to open with a slected form

[Peter Goggin]

I have completed the conversion of my Access contacts data base to 
LibreBase. The only problem I have not solved is to get the database to 
open with my main menu form. This could easlly be set in MS Access ut so 
far I cannot find the mechanism for doing this in Base.  Is rhere a way 
of doing this? Or do I have to open the data base and manully select the 
for i want to start with?


Regards

Peter Goggin

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[libreoffice-users] Printing Reports from BASE

[Peter Goggin]

I have a report run from a push button on a menu form. I can print it 
from the screen, but in Access I was able to program a push button to 
print id directly.  Is this possible in BASE? I cannot find any 
reference to this.


Regards


Peter Goggin

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[libreoffice-users] Date manipulation

[Peter Goggin]

I want to set a date range in a query to be between TODAY -10 Days and 
TODAY + 10 days. Is there a simple way to do this?


Regards


Peter Goggin

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?

[Peter Goggin]

On 08/10/14 19:25, Werner wrote:

Hi,

On 10/7/2014 20:46, m. nease wrote:

Hello,

I'd like to do some work on Access databases (.accdb files) but haven't
been able to access(!) them using Base (and have no MS OS or MS
Office--happily).  Is this possible?
Some time ago I used the Microsoft SQL Server Migration Assistant for 
Access 
(http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=42656) 
together with SQLExpress from MS to get at the data in a MS Access db.


I just needed to get it into calc, but I would think you should be 
able to access it once the data is in SQLExpress using the ADO 
adapter, or in worst case you should be able to export it from 
SQLExpress.


Werner


I have just converted an Access data base to LibreBase.  The steps I 
used are:

1.Install virtualbox with windows xp on the Linux box
2. Install MS Access on the virtual box.
3. Set up the virtualbox machine to share a linux directory on 
home/username/database where username is your linux user

4. Load the MS database file into this directory.
5. From the virtualbox using Access open the database.
6. Export all of the database tables, one by one in MS Excell format. I 
could not find a way to export forms or reports.

7. From your linux account start Librebase and create a new data base.
8. Using LibreCalc open each of the Excell files. Ensure the column 
definitions in he spreadsheet are correct, i.e. make sure date columns 
are formatted as date. I had some problems with date fiels and solved it 
by formatting the date columms as -MM-DD.

9. For each spreadsheet select all and copy.
10 Go to your LibreBase and select the Tables creation area. Paste the 
spreadsheet dataa into the bottom pane. Follow the prompts to create 
your table. Note if you have any problems import only the table 
definition first. Ensure it is correct and then import the data to 
append to the table.

11 Repeat steps 8-10 for each table.

If your access data base uses views or queries you will need to extract 
the SQL code and use it to import into the LibreBase.


If you do have access to a MSwidows machine the you can load LibreOffice 
into it, open the MSdata  base and create a new database in LibreOffice 
format. The data base will contain all tables and data. It will convert 
access views to tables. It will not convert forms or reports.


Either way you will have to recreate views, queries, forms and reports 
in LIbreBase.


Regards

Peter Goggin

Regards



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Anyone keen to help get the Base Handbook done?

[Peter Goggin]

On 07/09/14 18:29, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi )
The Documentation Team needs people to help update the Base Handbook.

Two people, Hazel and Alan, have worked very hard to get the translations
done.  Now it needs;
1.  Proof-readers who maybe have no idea about how to use Base, in order to
help de-geekify it.
2.  People who understand Base well enough to follow through the written
instructions.  This reviewing process is to make sure that the instructions
really do show exactly what normal readers would experience if they tried
to work through the guide.
3.  People who are on non-Windows platforms, preferably Linux, who are able
to take screen-shots.

For 1 there are people who could help people to do the proof-reading.
Proof-reading kinda needs to be done by people who can bring a fresh
perspective, ie that weren't involved in doing the translations and wont be
involved in the reviewing.  Inevitably there is some overlap though!

For 3 there is a guide to help ensure screen-shots are consistent within
the guide and consistent with other guides.  It's mostly about theming but
also about resolution and sizes.


It has been a tough challenge getting this far because the last handbook
was for several branch's ago.  So changes that happened in 4.0.x then had
to be modified due to more changes in the 4.1.x.  The current work
consolidates on the 4.2.x branch.  This should give a good solid foundation
from which it'll be easier to produce the next handbook.  The Docs Team
will probably skip the 4.3.x branch and go straight to the 4.4.x when that
appears in a few months time.


Joining the Documentation Team, to work on the Guides or Handbook, involves
a registration process for the ODFAuthors website.  Sometimes there is a
shortage of people able to do that for you so please bear with them if you
join.  Just joining their mailing list is a good start
documentat...@global.libreoffice.org

A quick email to say hi and request a login for ODFAuthors is a good way to
start.  They like to know if you have previous experience working with
documentation in other projects or elsewhere but please keep it brief, it's
just to give them a hint.  Also let them know if there are specific things
you might like to be involved with or things you would like to avoid.  Note
that complete noobs can be extremely valuable because we are often able to
help degeekify things.

Regards from
Tom  :)

I have had a number of years experience in data base design and user 
documentation, mainly on Oracle installations, but also on MS Access. I 
have also been involved in programming NMC and documenting the process 
of setting up programs for non computer people. I have been working with 
computers since 1958 and have had to document a number of different 
applications. I have also written about 30 scientific research papers.


If you think I can contribute please let me know.


Regards

Peter Goggin

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[libreoffice-users] Converting Microsoft Access to Libre Base

[Peter Goggin]

I have a MS access data  base running under XP. For various reasons I am 
converting my ;laptops to run Ubuntu with LibreOffice.  I have 
successfully transfered Thunderbird e-mail from XP to Ubuntu.  I am able 
to transfer and read  MS Word and Excel files to run under LibreOffice 
under Ubuntiu.


I cannot see how to transfer rhe MS Access to run uder LibreBase. I 
tried doing the conversion under XP by loading LibreOffice and then 
opening the Access data base using LibreBase. with the following results:


1 All tables were successfully converted and retained their data.
2 All vies finished as being defined as tables.
3 No forms were transferred.

Is there an easy way to convert Access data bases to run under LibreBase?

Can I get the vies transferred as vies ? Do I need to extract the SQL 
for the vies and then recreate them in Libre Base.


If I cannot transfer the forms directly then I will need to recreate 
them. I have looked at how forms work in LibreBase butr I cannot find 
out how to create a menu form which allows the juser to select other 
menu forms or data entry forms.


Is there a reort system in Libre Base?

Any help will be gratefully accepted

Regards

Peter Goggin

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Nitpicking on a name

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

Bravo!

On 25/07/14 08:19, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 
 I apologize as what I am writing about might seem like a detail to
 many, but I think it hurts a bit the project in the end to leave
 these things as they are.
 
 On this list (a few others as well but esp. On this one) people call
 LibreOffice LO. We -sorry to take on my founder's hat here- never
 called LibreOffice LO.
 
 Historically the people who did were long time OpenOffice.org users
 who were a bit skeptical of us at first and who felt necessary to
 formatLibreOffice in a way they thought was easier.
 
 Now you will tell me that it is easier to type LO than it is with
 LibreOffice. Perhaps. But everyone here writes MS Office...
 
 Anyway the point I am trying to make is that LO does not mean
 anything and sends the wrong message. We are not low , we are not
 hello, we are libre people. Ans when I say we I lean everyone
 here.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Charles.
 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Deleting a Table in Impress

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 17/05/14 16:07, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Brian Barker wrote:

At 11:22 15/05/2014 -0700, Frank 'CVAlkan' Oberle wrote:

Thanks Brian, but still nothing.


Interesting.  Do these techniques not work for others in Impress?


Having inserted a table via Insert  Table, any of Brian's suggestions
work for me to delete it in 4.0.4.2 and 4.2.0.4. Admittedly those are
not the latest versions.

It looks like there may be a bug, introduced around 4.2.3.3:
   https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78326

Mark.


A swift test with 4.2.4 (64 bit) reveals that an empty table cannot be 
deleted, even though selected, but entering *any* data in a cell allows 
selection and deletion of the table.


Peter HB

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Deleting a Table in Impress

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 17/05/14 16:07, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Brian Barker wrote:

At 11:22 15/05/2014 -0700, Frank 'CVAlkan' Oberle wrote:

Thanks Brian, but still nothing.


Interesting.  Do these techniques not work for others in Impress?


Having inserted a table via Insert  Table, any of Brian's suggestions
work for me to delete it in 4.0.4.2 and 4.2.0.4. Admittedly those are
not the latest versions.

It looks like there may be a bug, introduced around 4.2.3.3:
   https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78326

Mark.


Further to my last post, this behaviour is not consistent. Since my 
previous test I've closed LibreOffice, re-opened a new presentation and 
repeated the test: the table can be consistently inserted and deleted.


Presently I've no idea what's going on, but a workaround for afflicted 
presentations may be the insertion of random data in to a table cell as 
per my first test.


Peter HB

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Which components do you use most?

[Peter Maunder]

Virgil Arrington wrote
 I'm curious to find out what components of LO are used most by the 
 people on this list. I think it helps to know different folks' area of 
 experience. It might also help us in learning new ways to integrate the 
 different components. For myself, my approximate usage is:

Writer 90%
Calc 10%  fairly often but in small bits.

Coming from Generalized Markup Language (GML) background from the late
70s, I use Styles and Templates exclusively, especially when preparing
books. I would be interested to know what proportion of time people use
Styles when preparing text. The users I help are all home users and struggle
with the concept of styles and even templates. Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Imported document becomes corrupted, when edited.

[Peter Maunder]

Ian McCarthy wrote
 I have a document -
 
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/qp6rf6edhuui8qb/SpeyElectrics.v16.odt
 
 It consists of a number of pages, the first two should have only writing 
 on them, then there are some line drawings, then a page with an 
 annotated image (page 6), followed by some more diagrams.
 
 I am having a number of problems.
 When I reopen the document after editing some of the draw lines and 
 other objects. Things have leapt to other pages.
 When I attempt to select multiple objects so I can group them, when I 
 press the shift key and click, I end up on the image page  page 6
 When I select a line, the line tool bar does not appear. I have to draw 
 a new open line and then by selecting that I can get the line drawing 
 tools icons (to add and delete points etc), and I may then be able to 
 edit the line I wanted to edit.
 Is it something special about this document, or is this a more general 
 problem.

Make certain that you have enough memory for LibO and it's images, and that
you leave them in memory whilst you work on the document. TOOLS  OPTIONS 
MEMORY. Otherwise LibO will spend its time manipulating the drawings. Ifind
the defaults are not correct for me.  As well as the anchor point, I find it
is also useful to manage the WRAP option. This has quite an effect on the
text when you are adjusting the graphics.  Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice further notes

[Peter Maunder]

krackedpress wrote
 I wish there was a better way to do this.
 I added a number of personas to the FF system, but LO did not [back 
 then] take the text color option correctly from the FF persona 
 settings.  Yes the font color is really important for the darker 
 backgrounds.  Also, the icons in the toolbars might have problems with 
 darker backgrounds, or at least it did when I created them when LO first 
 started to use personas.
 
 It would be nice to have a persona editor built in to the 
 personalization option[s] so you can choose the background image[s] and 
 the font color within LO and not have to do the hard coding in the 
 setup file[s].

The Font Colour option is currently broken when displaying the STARTUP
CENTER screen. This is fixed in 4.3. However you can bypass this problem by
reloading the Personas.

I have found that defaulting the Font Colour to RED #ff gives a more
flexible look that suits more Personas than plain BLACK #00.  In that
case you can reload a Personas stored on you own system without the need to
restart LibO. Simply use a default header name, in my case Header.jpg for
the Personas, overwrite or rename the exisiting Personas in the folder and
do the following

Remove the Personas TOOLS  OPTIONS  PERSONALIZATION  Plain Look  OK 
Reload   the Personas TOOLS  OPTIONS  PERSONALIZATION  Own Theme  OK

You can use an image editor such as GIMP to create the Personas, save it
into the /Gallery/Personas folder and you have a basic in-house Personas
management system. Works for me..Peter





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice further notes

[Peter Maunder]

My original response was just to show where the Personas were actually kept
on the LibreOffice system. These notes may be of interest for those who wish
to dabble further. 

Adding Personas to LibreOffice does seem slightly convoluted, especially
compared with Firefox and Thunderbird. Don't forget that F and T are
designed to be online and provide an online repository for the images.
Originally you needed to download each image to update the Personas, only
one image was stored on your system using a common name. This was obviously
not ideal for private Personas either for private personal or business use. 

The F/T PERSONAS PLUS Add-On provides a facility to manage Personas,
together with their Text Colours directly on your machine. This function is
called CUSTOM PERSONA. I actually use this function to test Personas using
Firefox and only add them to LibreOffice when they are ready to go.

One of this year's LibreOffice Google Summer of Code projects is to “Improve
Usability of Personas” which Rachit Gupta is carrying out. I, for one look
forward to what he produces. Personas Plus is an obvious starting point.

Oh, another wrinkle. It is only when you add the first Personas using
LibreOffice that the Personas folder “/Gallery/Personas” and the entry in
the registrymodifications.xcu file are created.

Changing the text colour may seem like an unnecessary luxury. However, the
default of black does not show up well on a dark image.  Hope this helps..
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4 in LibreOffice 4

[Peter Maunder]

The Personas used by LibreOffice is stored in the User/Gallery/Personas
folder. The access information is stored in the
User/registrymodifications.xcu file.  The settings are in the
PersonasSettings. An example is given below.

 item oor:path=/org.openoffice.Office.Common/Miscprop
oor:name=PersonaSettings
oor:op=fusevalueHeader.jpg;Footer.jpg;#ff;#f5f5f5/value/prop/item

Where the header and footer are .jpg  or .png format. The text colour is
#rrbbgg format and the accent the same. Where #00 is black and #ff
is white. The Firefox  footer and accent are not currently used in LibO. 

By careful copying and renaming, you can change the LibO personas without
needing the Firefox website. 

Be careful when modifying the registrymodifications.xcu file. Always take a
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Re: [libreoffice-users] HOW CAN I CONVERT A NUMBER IN LibreOffice CALC TO TEXT IN LibreOffice CALC?

[Peter West]

Here we go again.

There is top-posting, which is, in general, a good thing, and is preferred by 
most email users, including the technically inclined, like myself. Its primary 
advantage is that it is a great courtesy to the readers of email threads, who 
can quickly assess a contribution to the thread for relevance to them.  A 
secondary advantage for the poster is that it increases the likelihood that the 
new material will actually be read, or at least skimmed.

There is in-line posting, which is necessary when you need to reply to specific 
points in a previous post. You can put your comments into the immediate context 
to which they apply. This is also a good thing, if the circumstances require it.

Then there is bottom-posting. It's a kind of virus that contaminates, 
primarily, open-source mailing lists. When a poster is infected he (yes, 
overwhelmingly, he) is overcome with the urge to tell people what to do. He is 
filled with a (completely spurious) sense of righteousness. He is a rebel, he 
is liberated, he carries the banner of freedom (free as in speech) against the 
grinding capitalist forces of oppression and regimentation. Therefore, you MUST 
DO AS YOU ARE TOLD. And so the champions of freedom become tuppenny Trotskys, 
low-rent Lenins, and we can say a quiet prayer of thanks that their influence 
extends no farther than the occasional mailing-list.

How do I know?  I've been there. I am now afflicted by a complementary virus. I 
am equally righteous and insufferable. I know, I know. But my desire is to see 
all of this nonsense fade away into an easy-going environment of live and let 
live. Bakunin before Lenin, and classical small-l liberalism before either.

Peter West

And he said to them, Do you not yet understand?

On 23 Feb 2014, at 7:41 am, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:

 On 2014-02-22 4:28 PM, Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm subscribed to a few groups myself, maybe I confused this one with the
 Apache OpenOffice one, but most of them seems to prefer everything but top
 posting. Personally I prefer this way, I'm not sure what to call it, but
 I'm doing it right now…
 
 It is called bottom or in-line posting, and is preferred by the more 
 technically inclined.
 
 It is primarily Outlook users who prefer blind top-posting (ie, quoting the 
 entire message they are replying to and adding their comment at the top).
 
 Most people who are rabidly anti bottom/inline posting will go out of their 
 way to complain about how bad bottom posting is, and will invariably use 
 BLIND bottom posting - quoting the ENTIRE message ABOVE your comment, which 
 is admittedly way WORSE than blind top-posting - as examples of why 
 bottom/inline posting is bad. They almost always simply refuse to even 
 acknowledge the difference between BLIND bottom posting, and inline posting 
 (quoting only the relevant portion, and putting your responses/comments AFTER 
 the relevant quoted text, which is much cleaner and easier to read than even 
 top-posting, mainly because you can clearly see the full context).


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Neat Writer Feature -- Relative Font Sizes

[Peter West]

TeX (and LaTeX) is one of those things I was always gunna learn to 
use. More power to you.

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On 14/02/2014 8:55 am, e-letter wrote:


OK, fair enough but as a latex user, was amazed to read a claim that
LO provides greater control! :)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Truce

[Peter West]

What do you do with these guys?  They can't help themselves. Libre? Ha.

On 6/02/2014 9:06 pm, e-letter wrote:

On 06/02/2014, Peter West li...@pbw.id.au wrote:


When I see someone hinting, suggesting, urging or just plain bullying a
top-poster to reform his or her bad habits, I'll buy in. And of course,
you can do the same thing if the shoe is on the other foot.



At least we have an admission: it's a poor habit.


Can we just let posters do their own thing?



Let's drive however we like; rules are un-necessary! ;)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?

[Peter West]

On 6/02/2014 5:31 am, Robert Holtzman wrote:

On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 01:37:52PM +, Tom Davies wrote:


Bottom posting requires a ton of extra work such as trimming and such
which office workers really do not have time for.


Trimming is a sensible thing to do, whichever way you post.  It's work 
for the poster, not the reader, and top-posting is a benefit for the 
reader, not (primarily) the poster.

.


I really hope you don't mean that trimming is a waste of time. Ever see
a reply to a digest message that quoted the whole digest. What fun.


But doesn't trimming undermine the argument?  How can the discussion be 
read sequentially when bits of it have been deleted?


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[libreoffice-users] Truce

[Peter West]

I'll never proselytise for top posting if you never proselytise for 
bottom-posting.


When I see someone hinting, suggesting, urging or just plain bullying a 
top-poster to reform his or her bad habits, I'll buy in. And of course, 
you can do the same thing if the shoe is on the other foot.


Can we just let posters do their own thing?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?

[Peter West]

Why is, do you think, that people feel the need to apologise on this 
very list for bottom-posting? Because of my ad-hominem attacks? It must 
be, because all the bottom-posters on this list are angels of 
forbearance, while all the top-posters are repeatedly admonishing 
bottom-posters to please, please, top-post.


Fellas, look in the mirror.


On 4/02/2014 5:36 pm, pete nikolic wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 05:33:24 +
Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote:


At 09:58 04/02/2014 +1000, Peter West wrote:

It mystifies me that some ossers become tossers on this particular topic, ...


Whatever value your argument might have had, you destroy it by being
abusive and using an ad hominem argument, of course.  It is thus
surprising that you should choose to do this.

Brian Barker




+1

P



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Re: [libreoffice-users] diff of 2 docx files

[Peter West]

If you write the files out as .fodt (Flat XML) files from within LO, you 
will have straight XML files to compare.


Beyond that, you could get the tika-app.jar from the Apache Tika 
project, which will let you extract plain text from the .fodt files and 
directly from the .odt files.

On 4/02/2014 6:36 pm, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

Hello.

Is it possible to have a diff between 2 .docx files in libreoffice? Or
with any other tool, I do not really mind...
I am not fond of office suites, but at my work they sent me an outdated
document describing what I have to do, and when I asked about some
details ( or errors, in fact ) in it, they sent me a different ( but
still with errors... ) version of the same document.
With a simple text file, I could have made a diff ( lot of tools for
that ) but I have no idea about how to do it with docx files. I have
obviously tried to unzip them, and use diff and meld on resulting files,
but those files are so messy, that I thought that, maybe, they are
encrypted of whatever!
Now that I think about it, I could do a diff of files made through a
copy/paste of the text... but that would be quite dirty.

Thanks for any suggestions.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Removing Index Markers from Writer: a How-To

[Peter West]

Hi Frank,

This script works on OS X, to the extent that does the conversions and 
creates new filtered odt files.  The only questions are whether it works 
in Linux, and whether the filter does the right thing with the index 
markers.


I haven't created any files with such index-markers, so maybe you can 
run it against your files to see how it goes.


http://pbw.id.au/src/sh/strip-odt-index-markers

It's a shell script, using soffice and perl.


On 29/01/2014 11:23 pm, CVAlkan wrote:

Peter:

I mentioned sed and grep, but don't see any reason why perl couldn't be used
as well. If you test this and it works, please post back to give others
another option.

BUT: my sed command only removed the markers from the fodt. As I mentioned I
was unable to convert the odt to an fodt (essentially uncompressing the odt
to readable xml) using the unzip capability of my OS (as I'm pretty sure
could be done with earlier open office documents).

Since LO can easily write and read fodt files, though, it really wasn't
necessary to do any file format conversion, and I didn't bother spending the
time to figure out how to do everything in one shot.

Frank



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?

[Peter West]

This sent to me off-list.

No further comment required.


On 5/02/2014 12:24 am, Anthony Baldwin wrote:

On 2/4/2014 2:59 AM, Peter West wrote:

Why is, do you think, that people feel the need to apologise on this
very list for bottom-posting? Because of my ad-hominem attacks? It must
be, because all the bottom-posters on this list are angels of
forbearance, while all the top-posters are repeatedly admonishing
bottom-posters to please, please, top-post.

Fellas, look in the mirror.



I will never apologize for proper behavior on mailing lists.

I don't waste time correcting those who top-post.
As Mark Twain said,
Never try to teach a pig to whistle;
it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Tony


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Re: [libreoffice-users] diff of 2 docx files

[Peter West]

On 4/02/2014 8:08 pm, Peter West wrote:

If you write the files out as .fodt (Flat XML) files from within LO, you
will have straight XML files to compare.

Beyond that, you could get the tika-app.jar from the Apache Tika
project, which will let you extract plain text from the .fodt files and
directly from the .odt files.


Make that .docx files.


On 4/02/2014 6:36 pm, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

Hello.

Is it possible to have a diff between 2 .docx files in libreoffice? Or
with any other tool, I do not really mind...
I am not fond of office suites, but at my work they sent me an outdated
document describing what I have to do, and when I asked about some
details ( or errors, in fact ) in it, they sent me a different ( but
still with errors... ) version of the same document.
With a simple text file, I could have made a diff ( lot of tools for
that ) but I have no idea about how to do it with docx files. I have
obviously tried to unzip them, and use diff and meld on resulting files,
but those files are so messy, that I thought that, maybe, they are
encrypted of whatever!
Now that I think about it, I could do a diff of files made through a
copy/paste of the text... but that would be quite dirty.

Thanks for any suggestions.

PS: I did not registered to this list, so please add me in CC.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Removing Index Markers from Writer: a How-To

[Peter West]

D'uh!

Thanks Frank.  I've updated the script with that change.

Attachments aren't accepted by this list, are they? What did you mean by 
post the shell script?


Peter

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On 5/02/2014 1:54 am, CVAlkan wrote:

Peter:

The actual perl command should be changed slightly to:
perl -pi'orig_*' -e 's/text:alphabetical-index-mark
text:string-value=[[:alpha:]]*\///g' Index_Experiment.fodt

After [[:alpha:]]* the \/ needs to be added to remove the / ending of
the XML tag - otherwise it seems to work fine.

The full blown shell script you sent me (I don't see it here on the forum
for some reason) needs to be modified in the same way of course.

I used [A-Za-z] instead of the [:alpha:] that you used because some systems
don't respect that substitution syntax (I can't remember what it's called),
which limits things just a bit, but a comment might be added to take care of
that - the [:alpha:] syntax, again, is probably a little easier to
understand for those not familiar with grep, sed and their relatives.

You should post the shell script, as it is probably easier to use (?) for
some folks than my simple sed command, since it takes care of hand-holding,
locating the right directories and so forth.

Of course, I hope some of the LibreOffice developers will incorporate the
option and capability to remove old markers when an index is regenerated,
and fix the generator so that it doesn't add additional markers to the
same word when updating takes place. (It doesn't always do that, but I
haven't figured out the exact conditions when it does).

So - good work.




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