[libreoffice-users] Mendeley desktop plugin causing extended time lags in LibO
Hi list This follows up on an email written earlier this year regarding a time-lag in LibO when using Mendeley Desktop plugin [ http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/msg42838.html ]. At the time of writing, I thought this was a LibO issue, but it seems more like a Mendeley Desktop (MD) issue: I wrote to MD support to ask about progress made in response to a cohort of other LibO users who have posted to the MD website reporting similar time lags in using the MD insert citations plugin. Josh, a support person at MD, responded that no work had been undertaken on this because it was deemed to be a LO problem in how they process fieldcodes. I responded that since LibO is open source and that Mendeley developed the plugin for LibO this is a Mendeley issue ... but this has resulted in a deafening silence from MD! What field codes is Josh referring to and is there anything I as a lowly end-user can do to fix this, at least locally? Is this something that LibO developers are able to address with MD to facilitate uptake among universities of LibO, many of which would also use Mendeley? For specs, I'm running LibO 4.3.5.2 on Mint 17, using the latest Mendeley Desktop and plugin versions. Thanks for any suggestions Sun -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Mendeley desktop plugin causing extended time lags in LibO
Hello Tom Nice to hear from you, and thanks for the suggestion. Can you clarify: did you mean post a bug report to the LibO developers or to the Mendeley people (who seem to want to pass the buck onto LibO)? For the LibO folk, is there a protocol one follows - e.g. is it via an email list or a website or ... ? Thanks again. On 01/04/15 12:30, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Maybe post a bug-report about it and maybe copypaste what you just wrote in that email into there? Maybe say that you suspect that our Devs might be better at communicating with their devs to get the issue resolved? Regards from Tom :) On 1 April 2015 at 09:08, Sun Shine phaedr...@gmail.com mailto:phaedr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list This follows up on an email written earlier this year regarding a time-lag in LibO when using Mendeley Desktop plugin [ http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/msg42838.html ]. At the time of writing, I thought this was a LibO issue, but it seems more like a Mendeley Desktop (MD) issue: I wrote to MD support to ask about progress made in response to a cohort of other LibO users who have posted to the MD website reporting similar time lags in using the MD insert citations plugin. Josh, a support person at MD, responded that no work had been undertaken on this because it was deemed to be a LO problem in how they process fieldcodes. I responded that since LibO is open source and that Mendeley developed the plugin for LibO this is a Mendeley issue ... but this has resulted in a deafening silence from MD! What field codes is Josh referring to and is there anything I as a lowly end-user can do to fix this, at least locally? Is this something that LibO developers are able to address with MD to facilitate uptake among universities of LibO, many of which would also use Mendeley? For specs, I'm running LibO 4.3.5.2 on Mint 17, using the latest Mendeley Desktop and plugin versions. Thanks for any suggestions Sun -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Mendeley desktop plugin causing extended time lags in LibO
Thanks all. Bug filed: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90399 Cheers On 01/04/15 15:48, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I meant to the LibreOffice bug-reporting system; http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/feedback/ I'm not sure whether it'd be better to mark as a feature request or keep as a standard bug-report so just do the default for now. If you have already filed a bug-report with Mendeley then it'd be great to include a clickable link to that in your report to the LibreOffice people. If the Mendeley people are being nice then it'd be nice to copy the new link from your bug-report here to them but they sound a bit unfriendly so i would leave that for a couple of days - that gives the LibreOffice people have more of a chance of getting up to speed. Regards from Tom :) On 1 April 2015 at 13:33, Sun Shine phaedr...@gmail.com mailto:phaedr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Tom Nice to hear from you, and thanks for the suggestion. Can you clarify: did you mean post a bug report to the LibO developers or to the Mendeley people (who seem to want to pass the buck onto LibO)? For the LibO folk, is there a protocol one follows - e.g. is it via an email list or a website or ... ? Thanks again. On 01/04/15 12:30, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Maybe post a bug-report about it and maybe copypaste what you just wrote in that email into there? Maybe say that you suspect that our Devs might be better at communicating with their devs to get the issue resolved? Regards from Tom :) On 1 April 2015 at 09:08, Sun Shine phaedr...@gmail.com mailto:phaedr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list This follows up on an email written earlier this year regarding a time-lag in LibO when using Mendeley Desktop plugin [ http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/msg42838.html ]. At the time of writing, I thought this was a LibO issue, but it seems more like a Mendeley Desktop (MD) issue: I wrote to MD support to ask about progress made in response to a cohort of other LibO users who have posted to the MD website reporting similar time lags in using the MD insert citations plugin. Josh, a support person at MD, responded that no work had been undertaken on this because it was deemed to be a LO problem in how they process fieldcodes. I responded that since LibO is open source and that Mendeley developed the plugin for LibO this is a Mendeley issue ... but this has resulted in a deafening silence from MD! What field codes is Josh referring to and is there anything I as a lowly end-user can do to fix this, at least locally? Is this something that LibO developers are able to address with MD to facilitate uptake among universities of LibO, many of which would also use Mendeley? For specs, I'm running LibO 4.3.5.2 on Mint 17, using the latest Mendeley Desktop and plugin versions. Thanks for any suggestions Sun -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Time-lag response in v. 4.4.0.1 Writer - Update
Hello Tom Thanks for your further thoughts on this. As it so happens, I did something else which seems to have fixed the problem (touch wood). Basically, I uninstalled 4.4 and reinstalled 4.3.5.2 (fresh), uninstalled the LibO plug in from Mendeley, reinstalled it and took it for a run. At first, same problem, then after a few minutes (and testing this problem on another document written previously and with Mendeley references) the lag stopped. I'm tempted to go back to 4.4. but since I need this for production work (i.e. my thesis), I think I'll stick with this version (4.3.5.2) for now. Thanks again. All the best Sun On 09/01/15 13:33, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It might be. You can test to see if any Extensions/Plug-ins or configurations and settings are causing it by renaming your User Profile; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile Then when you re-open LibreOffice it automatically creates a fresh new one, taking you Back to factory defaults. If that doesn't fix things then you can delete the new one and rename the old one back to the right name. It is often a good idea to create a copy of your user profile when you are reasonably happy with the way LibreOffice is working. I tend to add the date in reverse order at the end of the file-name to make it easier to figure out which backup-copy is likely to be best. Regards from Tom :) On 8 January 2015 at 18:21, Sun Shine phaedr...@gmail.com wrote: Update: Changed the auto-save setting, and that hasn't helped. Closed out all other open documents. No change. I wonder if it is an interaction problem with the LibreOffice Mendeley Plug-In? Does anyone else use Mendeley Desktop reference management software v. 1.12.4 with LibO 4.4.0.1? If so - can this lag be replicated? Not sure if this is a LibO or a Mendeley issue at this point. Thanks for any ideas. Sun On 08/01/15 17:43, Sun Shine wrote: Thanks all - I've changed the auto-save time and will see if that has any effect. Best wishes Sun On 08/01/15 17:35, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Tools - Options - Load/Save - General Then about half-way down the default is to save every 15mins. You might find it helps to make it half-hourly or so. Good luck and regards from Tom :) On 8 January 2015 at 15:17, Rob Jasper r...@famjasper.nl wrote: Now you mention it.. I've had this both on my slow PC and on my Mac. However, I now realize that since I changed my disk for a SSD I never had it again (even while working on a very old Mac: 24 , end 2006, 2,16 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo) Rob Op 8 jan. 2015, om 16:09 heeft Oogie McGuire het volgende geschreven: It might be due to how often LO is doing a backup of your text. With a large document it can take a while. I've had that happen to me too on all revisions of LO on a Mac with large documents. I just got used to it. I figured I'd use it as a way to take a break, look away from the screen and stretch my fingers. Perhaps there is a setting you can change to make the timing different or turn it off? I don't know abut that I never bothered to look for it. I've used the emergency recovery feature too often to turn off the automatic saving that happens occasionally. Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire Desert Weyr, LLC - Black Welsh Mountain Sheep http://www.desertweyr.com/ LambTracker - Open Source SW for Shepherds http://www.lambtracker.com Paonia, CO USA -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Time-lag response in v. 4.4.0.1 Writer
Hi list I recently installed LibO v. 4.4.0.1 and have noticed that when using Writer, there is a response delay. For example, when typing, there is a periodic (perhaps every few minutes) when the text doesn't appear on the screen, the cursor stops blinking and remains fixed in place. This then clears and all is good again. This happens when highlighting or deleting, etc., so it is more than just typing. I timed one of these lags, and counted up to 8 seconds before Writer responded. Having used LibO for many years now, I cannot recall having such an issue before, and I haven't changed my OS or desktop settings (Linux Mint 17, Mate desktop environment) since using the previous Fresh 4.3 updates or even previous releases. If necessary, I will uninstall this version and go back to the 4.3, but that seems to be using a hammer to crack a nut. Any advice on this please as it is quite disruptive given I'm trying to do my thesis on it! Thanks for any help. Sun -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Time-lag response in v. 4.4.0.1 Writer
Thanks all - I've changed the auto-save time and will see if that has any effect. Best wishes Sun On 08/01/15 17:35, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Tools - Options - Load/Save - General Then about half-way down the default is to save every 15mins. You might find it helps to make it half-hourly or so. Good luck and regards from Tom :) On 8 January 2015 at 15:17, Rob Jasper r...@famjasper.nl wrote: Now you mention it.. I've had this both on my slow PC and on my Mac. However, I now realize that since I changed my disk for a SSD I never had it again (even while working on a very old Mac: 24 , end 2006, 2,16 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo) Rob Op 8 jan. 2015, om 16:09 heeft Oogie McGuire het volgende geschreven: It might be due to how often LO is doing a backup of your text. With a large document it can take a while. I've had that happen to me too on all revisions of LO on a Mac with large documents. I just got used to it. I figured I'd use it as a way to take a break, look away from the screen and stretch my fingers. Perhaps there is a setting you can change to make the timing different or turn it off? I don't know abut that I never bothered to look for it. I've used the emergency recovery feature too often to turn off the automatic saving that happens occasionally. Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire Desert Weyr, LLC - Black Welsh Mountain Sheep http://www.desertweyr.com/ LambTracker - Open Source SW for Shepherds http://www.lambtracker.com Paonia, CO USA -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Time-lag response in v. 4.4.0.1 Writer - Update
Update: Changed the auto-save setting, and that hasn't helped. Closed out all other open documents. No change. I wonder if it is an interaction problem with the LibreOffice Mendeley Plug-In? Does anyone else use Mendeley Desktop reference management software v. 1.12.4 with LibO 4.4.0.1? If so - can this lag be replicated? Not sure if this is a LibO or a Mendeley issue at this point. Thanks for any ideas. Sun On 08/01/15 17:43, Sun Shine wrote: Thanks all - I've changed the auto-save time and will see if that has any effect. Best wishes Sun On 08/01/15 17:35, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Tools - Options - Load/Save - General Then about half-way down the default is to save every 15mins. You might find it helps to make it half-hourly or so. Good luck and regards from Tom :) On 8 January 2015 at 15:17, Rob Jasper r...@famjasper.nl wrote: Now you mention it.. I've had this both on my slow PC and on my Mac. However, I now realize that since I changed my disk for a SSD I never had it again (even while working on a very old Mac: 24 , end 2006, 2,16 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo) Rob Op 8 jan. 2015, om 16:09 heeft Oogie McGuire het volgende geschreven: It might be due to how often LO is doing a backup of your text. With a large document it can take a while. I've had that happen to me too on all revisions of LO on a Mac with large documents. I just got used to it. I figured I'd use it as a way to take a break, look away from the screen and stretch my fingers. Perhaps there is a setting you can change to make the timing different or turn it off? I don't know abut that I never bothered to look for it. I've used the emergency recovery feature too often to turn off the automatic saving that happens occasionally. Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire Desert Weyr, LLC - Black Welsh Mountain Sheep http://www.desertweyr.com/ LambTracker - Open Source SW for Shepherds http://www.lambtracker.com Paonia, CO USA -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Website down?
Hi Not specific to this list but can someone please pass a message along that the LibreOffice.org website is down and (seemingly) has been for a few days. This has been confirmed via a ping test and also via http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/libreoffice.org.html Thanks -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Website down?
On 21/12/14 11:03, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi, Am 21.12.2014 um 11:13 schrieb Sun Shine: LibreOffice.org website is down see http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/msg13559.html Cheers, Stefan Thanks Stefan - I wasn't sure how else to alert those who control the levers and pulleys to the issue. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Has this been posted here before? Docear needs developer from LibO/AOO
Hi list Sorry if this has been posted before. In looking for reference management software I came across a request from Docear for a developer who is familiar with LibO/AOO so that references can be formatted and exported to LibO/AOO documents: http://www.docear.org/2013/08/14/who-wants-to-develop-docear4libreoffice-or-docear4openoffice/ Be great if anyone with those kinds of skills and interests knew about this, because bridging those kinds of gaps would enable researchers progressively to move beyond reliance on proprietary software to get their work done. Please promote the request as you see fit. Thanks Sun -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3
On 31/07/13 13:20, James Knott wrote:
Urmas wrote:
Another major reason are huge bribes given to government officials to
deploy {Libre|Open}Office solutions in budget-funding institutions
worldwide.
Actually, if you care to check the facts, it's Microsoft that's been
doing that.
+1
Urmas - if you have evidence to substantiate your claim, please share.
Otherwise, as James writes: you have LibO confused with the dirty
tactics employed by MS.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages
Hello Tom Thanks for the link - when I have the time during the day I'll look into that. These were files on my own drive - not networked - and files originally created with LibO. Cheers On 30/07/13 00:37, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This might help you post a bug-report https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport Just out of curiosity, did you get the General input/output error when dealing with files on the network shares or on your local machine? Regards from Tom :) *From:* sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Monday, 29 July 2013, 21:07 *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages On 29/07/13 20:12, sun shine wrote: On 29/07/13 20:03, sun shine wrote: Hi list I've recently installed 4.1 for a Deb system, and I am unable to open password protected writer documents written in earlier versions of LibO. I've double-checked the password, even typed it in plain text and copied it over, and it still throws back an incorrect password message. Has anyone else found this? Has anyone figured a workaround? Thanks Actually - this seems to be a larger issue, at least on my machine: I have attempted to create a document and then to save it with a password and it throws back this error message: Error saving the document Untitled1: General Error. General input/output error. I suspect therefore, that there is something wrong with the broader security related issues of passwords and 4.1 Can anyone else confirm this please? Cheers Sorry to keep replying to my own email - I have just installed 4.0.4 and I cannot reproduce either of the errors - this is therefore a 4.1 specific bug. How would I report it? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer
On 30/07/13 01:11, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 07/29/2013 03:36 PM, sun shine wrote: Hello list On a Debian like system (Mint 14), my newly installed 32-bit LibO-4.1. is creating a bit of problems for me. This latest issue is trying to print specific pages within a Writer document: the print dialog box does not allow editing the specific pages text box. In order to make this work - i.e. to select the pages I wanted - I closed LibO4.1. and re-opened it, then it worked. Anybody else experienced this? I've had two relatively minor issues with Writer LibO-4.1 (password-related and the page selection for printing mentioned here) which don't really inspire confidence as these are features that have been preserved since the OOo days ... so not at all sure why they don't work as expected with the 4.1 release. Anyway, will continue to test 4.1 for a while, but am inclined to roll back to 4.0.4 for doing work at this point. Cheers I do not use Mint due to printer issues. The biggest one wasthatit would not recognizeor even find it on my network my main network color printer that Ubuntu has not problems finding/using. But it would see it via a USB cable. I had other printer/driver issues for it to print properly on the other printers on my network. You are running 32-bit Mint 14? Mate or Cinnamon desktop? You removed the previously installed version of LO, correct? Did you have any problems with 4.0.4 printing page selections? In Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General have you checked Use LibreOffice dialogs in the Print dialogs section? Check it if not. If already checked [which I used for Ubuntu 12.04LTS] then un-check it. See if that changes anything. This option does not show up with the Windows users, so they would not know this. I had to check it to get one of my printers to duplex properly. I am told others need to have it unchecked for their printer[s]. Hi there Thanks for your reply. Yes - all printing worked fine with Mint 14 Mate using pre-4.1 versions of LibO. I am unable to reproduce the error - but it required me to shut LibO down and restart it for me to successfully print. Perhaps it was just a one-off? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages
Hi list I've recently installed 4.1 for a Deb system, and I am unable to open password protected writer documents written in earlier versions of LibO. I've double-checked the password, even typed it in plain text and copied it over, and it still throws back an incorrect password message. Has anyone else found this? Has anyone figured a workaround? Thanks -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages
On 29/07/13 20:03, sun shine wrote: Hi list I've recently installed 4.1 for a Deb system, and I am unable to open password protected writer documents written in earlier versions of LibO. I've double-checked the password, even typed it in plain text and copied it over, and it still throws back an incorrect password message. Has anyone else found this? Has anyone figured a workaround? Thanks Actually - this seems to be a larger issue, at least on my machine: I have attempted to create a document and then to save it with a password and it throws back this error message: Error saving the document Untitled1: General Error. General input/output error. I suspect therefore, that there is something wrong with the broader security related issues of passwords and 4.1 Can anyone else confirm this please? Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer
Hello list On a Debian like system (Mint 14), my newly installed 32-bit LibO-4.1. is creating a bit of problems for me. This latest issue is trying to print specific pages within a Writer document: the print dialog box does not allow editing the specific pages text box. In order to make this work - i.e. to select the pages I wanted - I closed LibO4.1. and re-opened it, then it worked. Anybody else experienced this? I've had two relatively minor issues with Writer LibO-4.1 (password-related and the page selection for printing mentioned here) which don't really inspire confidence as these are features that have been preserved since the OOo days ... so not at all sure why they don't work as expected with the 4.1 release. Anyway, will continue to test 4.1 for a while, but am inclined to roll back to 4.0.4 for doing work at this point. Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
On 29/07/13 20:30, Virgil Arrington wrote: I certainly hope the primary motive for FOSS such as LO is not a disdain for MS. I personally don't care how much money MS makes. I hope the LO developers are motivated by a desire to produce a great product that can be used worldwide. Hatred usually doesn't provide a very effective motive for productive action. Virgil snip +1 (and some more too :-) ) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages
On 29/07/13 20:12, sun shine wrote: On 29/07/13 20:03, sun shine wrote: Hi list I've recently installed 4.1 for a Deb system, and I am unable to open password protected writer documents written in earlier versions of LibO. I've double-checked the password, even typed it in plain text and copied it over, and it still throws back an incorrect password message. Has anyone else found this? Has anyone figured a workaround? Thanks Actually - this seems to be a larger issue, at least on my machine: I have attempted to create a document and then to save it with a password and it throws back this error message: Error saving the document Untitled1: General Error. General input/output error. I suspect therefore, that there is something wrong with the broader security related issues of passwords and 4.1 Can anyone else confirm this please? Cheers Sorry to keep replying to my own email - I have just installed 4.0.4 and I cannot reproduce either of the errors - this is therefore a 4.1 specific bug. How would I report it? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
On 27/07/13 17:28, Ernie Kurtz wrote: Hi Amit and Paul and . . . I am just an ordinary user -- historian by training, academic researcher in medicine by profession. I, and most with whom I work and come into contact, wish for, hope for, and strongly prefer stable releases in a work environment that requires interoperability with M$ products. One difficulty: it is not always -- in fact, it is rarely -- clear what is the latest stable release. I use both OO and LO, and that seems true of both. My wish is that the developer-types and other enthusiasts think more carefully, tolerantly, and generously about the technologically unsophisticated ordinary user. Thank you. ernie kurtz ernestkurtz.com On Jul 27, 2013, at 5:51 AM, Amit Choudhary wrote: snip Hi all I too am an end user and not a developer. From my perspective it is not at all difficult to generally keep up to date with the latest software (although the 4.1. desktop-integration thing threw me for a while). All new releases are clearly badged: don't use on production machines. So don't then. This is not the fault of the developers if people install software that is not to be used on production machines on production machines. If your sysadmin is chasing the latest releases, s/he needs to decide on stability versus the latest gizmo that may well lead to a broader instability elsewhere. Unfortunately, MS tends to make its own products backward incompatible, forcing businesses to fork out resources chasing the upgrade cycle, or to lock in with a given OS version and the tools which work with it, and patching it up for security holes and with service packs (which also don't always work as expected!) and biding time until the licenses expire. MS is also not known for its kindly disposition towards sharing (unless, of course, its your data and remote access to your machine by the NSA), which makes it difficult for OSS developers to keep their software up to date and interoperable, exacerbated by companies like MS which will continue to pour resources specifically to stay ahead in market dominance and exclude any potential rivals. So, there will always be catching up and new releases with bug fixes, features and the inevitable bugs. If you want to use LibO, there are certain responsibilities a user would benefit from assuming: be responsible for what you install - don't use new releases for production work that demands stability. If you want the latest MS interoperability feature, then you trade stability for innovation. Your call. As Kracked and Tom and Paul wrote previously, select a conservative update value or just go with the version packaged by your distro if using GNU/ Linux or your BSD flavour. The LibO developers have put together a great suite of software that is stable, flexible, scalable, fast, stays out of the way of the user (for the most part, but I still prefer greater flexibility with the bullets and numbering format option, and still struggle with multiple user styles! :-) ), and so we, as users, need to step forward a bit in their direction too by being more responsible for our own interactions with the software. There is no good need for you to chase the upgrade cycle unless the benefits of doing so outweigh the benefits of maintaining a stable system. This is just good management whether someone is or is not technologically unsophisticated: don't mess with what is mission critical unless you have a damn good reason to do so and can do so knowing how to reverse the process if needs be. As a user, especially in this day and age, this is your responsibility, not the developers. £0.02 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop integration working now? Re: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice 4.1: a landmark for interoperability
Hi Tom Thanks for the heads up. Aside from some minor issues regarding documentation and installation, it seems to work fine. Here's my experience on Mint 14, FWIW: The Read-Me still states: The following commands will install LibreOffice and the desktop integration packages (you may just copy and paste them into the terminal screen rather than trying to type them): sudo dpkg -i *.deb cd desktop-integration sudo dpkg -i *.deb Someone who is involved in doc management will have to update this. It would also be helpful for some instruction on how to use the installation script in the folder. The language pack must be installed before the help pack - I can't recall having to do this in a given order before, but maybe I did for previous versions. Other than these minor issues, LibO4.1 seems to work okay so far, so thanks again. On 25/07/13 19:26, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Now that the 4.1.0 has been properly released you might find the proper release has all the desktop integration sorted out now. it might be worth checking if you are keen and have the time Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org To: annou...@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 13:00 Subject: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice 4.1: a landmark for interoperability The office suite features a large number of improvements which bring compatibility with proprietary and legacy file formats to the next level Berlin, July 25, 2013 - The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 4.1, not only the best but also the most interoperable free office suite ever. LibreOffice 4.1 features a large number of improvements in the area of document compatibility, which increases the opportunities of sharing knowledge with users of proprietary software while retaining the original layout and contents. Interoperability is a key asset for LibreOffice, which is the de facto standard for migrations to free office suites since early 2012. Numerous improvements have been made to Microsoft OOXML import and export filters, as well as to legacy Microsoft Office and RTF file filters. Most of these improvements derive from the fundamental activity of certified developers backing migration projects, based on a professional support agreement. Instrumental for interoperability are also new features such as font embedding in Writer, Calc, Impress and Draw - which helps in retaining the visual aspect when fonts used to produce the document are not installed on the target PC - and import and export functions new in Excel 2013 for ODF OpenFormula compatibility. In addition to interoperability, LibreOffice 4.1 offers a very large number of new features and improvements also in other areas of the suite, which are listed here: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-1-new-features-and-fixes. LibreOffice 4.1 is also importing some AOO features, including the Symphony sidebar, which is considered experimental. LibreOffice developers are working at the integration with the widget layout technique (which will make it dynamically resizeable and consistent with the behaviour of LibreOffice dialog windows). LibreOffice 4.1 arrives at the end of a significant development process, which has just been outlined on the foundation blog: http://wp.me/p1byPE-q0. Feature wise, the summary is here: https://www.libreoffice.org/features/why-libreoffice/. In just two months, on September 25, 2013, the LibreOffice community will gather in Italy at the Third LibreOffice Conference, hosted by the Department of Computer Science of Milan State University. More information on the conference web site at the following address: http://conference.libreoffice.org/2013/en. The Call for Paper is open until Sunday, August 4. Downloading LibreOffice LibreOffice 4.1 is immediately available for download from the following link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/. Extensions for LibreOffice are available from the following link: http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center. Changelogs are available at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.1.0/RC1 (changed in 4.1.0.1), https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.1.0/RC2 (changed in 4.1.0.2) and https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.1.0/RC3 (changed in 4.1.0.3) and https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.1.0/RC4 (changed in 4.1.0.4). Support The Document Foundation LibreOffice users, free software advocates and community members can support The Document Foundation with a donation at http://donate.libreoffice.org. Money collected will be used to grow the infrastructure, and support marketing activities to increase the awareness of the project, both at global and local level. Short link to post on TDF blog: http://wp.me/p1byPE-qn. -- Italo Vignoli - Director italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org mob +39.348.5653829 - sip it...@libreoffice.org The Document Foundation Zimmerstraße 69, 10117 Berlin,
Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop integration working now?
On 27/07/13 10:53, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Mint 14?MATE or Cinnamon desktop environment? I run Ubuntu 12.04LTS with MATE. So the desktop-integration now works properly without the extra step. Yes, the Language Pack before the Help Pack was something that I remember hearing about back in 3.4.x days. Has anyone installed the RPM version of 4.1.0 and had any problems with the desktop-integration? Yes, we need to mention the fact that there will not be the extra step to get the desktop menus to be installed. snip Hey there I'm running the Mate desktop (most Gnome 2.6-like!) on Mint 14 32-bit, and the desktop integration does appear to happen relatively seamlessly. Just an aside, if, like me, one has embedded a launcher for LibO in one's panel, this should be removed and updated via the Add to Panel dialog. In the docs for *.deb systems, the reference to the second step in the installation process references: cd desktop-integration and sudo dpkg -i *.deb . These lines just need to be deleted. The rest of the text stands. But, as there are no separate docs for the enclosed installation script, could a section be added here in the readme to document the script? Sorry, can't help re: RPMs. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop integration working now?
On 27/07/13 11:10, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hello, Not the rpm- but the deb-Version (32bit) on Debian-Wheezy-KDE 4.10. IT STILL DOES NOT WORK!!! Regards Heinrich snip Hello Heinrich Seems like you have been experiencing difficulty with this version for quite some time, IIRC? However, despite your frustration, can you say more precisely is not working. Just to review typical sticking points however, although I'm sure you've gone through these already: 1. Have you deleted your current LibO installation before installing 4.1? If you haven't, this can be done via the synaptic GUI, filtering installed packages, and selecting appropriate files for complete removal and then applying. 2. Did you run the latest release candidate, because the new release build has a seamless desktop-integration installation routine, whereas previous attempts to install always gave install errors. So if you're not using the latest, then you may stand a better chance of success. 3. Have you checked your menu edit options? The updater may not have caught the version changes and therefore did not automatically update the menu with the correct launchers. You might want to double check that. 4. I found that invoking soffice didn't seem to work, but using this did: /usr/bin/X11/libreoffice4.1 %u This just may be a local quirk though. Anyway, please expand on what is not working, and give the email a meaningful subject line so those who are knowledgeable about the system are more likely to see your request for help. Good luck -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop integration working now?
On 07/27/2013 03:49 AM, sun shine wrote: snip The language pack must be installed before the help pack - I can't recall having to do this in a given order before, but maybe I did for previous versions. snip Sorry about replying to own post, but have just seen the instruction on the download site: download and install in the following order ... Doh!! Apologies for carelessness. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop integration working now?
I've just installed 4.1 on Squeeze and no problems, although this was using Gnome 2.* DE again. Just a thought: if you have the space, time and patience, you could install the Gnome DE (unless it's already installed by default?) and see if you could install it through that DE. Or even Xfce4 ... it may be library conflict in KDE, such as a missing dependency? On 27/07/13 11:10, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hello, Not the rpm- but the deb-Version (32bit) on Debian-Wheezy-KDE 4.10. IT STILL DOES NOT WORK!!! Regards Heinrich On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 11:53:23 +0200, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Mint 14?MATE or Cinnamon desktop environment? I run Ubuntu 12.04LTS with MATE. So the desktop-integration now works properly without the extra step. Yes, the Language Pack before the Help Pack was something that I remember hearing about back in 3.4.x days. Has anyone installed the RPM version of 4.1.0 and had any problems with the desktop-integration? Yes, we need to mention the fact that there will not be the extra step to get the desktop menus to be installed. On 07/27/2013 03:49 AM, sun shine wrote: Hi Tom Thanks for the heads up. Aside from some minor issues regarding documentation and installation, it seems to work fine. Here's my experience on Mint 14, FWIW: The Read-Me still states: The following commands will install LibreOffice and the desktop integration packages (you may just copy and paste them into the terminal screen rather than trying to type them): sudo dpkg -i *.deb cd desktop-integration sudo dpkg -i *.deb Someone who is involved in doc management will have to update this. It would also be helpful for some instruction on how to use the installation script in the folder. The language pack must be installed before the help pack - I can't recall having to do this in a given order before, but maybe I did for previous versions. Other than these minor issues, LibO4.1 seems to work okay so far, so thanks again. On 25/07/13 19:26, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Now that the 4.1.0 has been properly released you might find the proper release has all the desktop integration sorted out now. it might be worth checking if you are keen and have the time Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org To: annou...@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 13:00 Subject: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice 4.1: a landmark for interoperability The office suite features a large number of improvements which bring compatibility with proprietary and legacy file formats to the next level Berlin, July 25, 2013 - The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 4.1, not only the best but also the most interoperable free office suite ever. LibreOffice 4.1 features a large number of improvements in the area of document compatibility, which increases the opportunities of sharing knowledge with users of proprietary software while retaining the original layout and contents. Interoperability is a key asset for LibreOffice, which is the de facto standard for migrations to free office suites since early 2012. Numerous improvements have been made to Microsoft OOXML import and export filters, as well as to legacy Microsoft Office and RTF file filters. Most of these improvements derive from the fundamental activity of certified developers backing migration projects, based on a professional support agreement. Instrumental for interoperability are also new features such as font embedding in Writer, Calc, Impress and Draw - which helps in retaining the visual aspect when fonts used to produce the document are not installed on the target PC - and import and export functions new in Excel 2013 for ODF OpenFormula compatibility. In addition to interoperability, LibreOffice 4.1 offers a very large number of new features and improvements also in other areas of the suite, which are listed here: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-1-new-features-and-fixes. LibreOffice 4.1 is also importing some AOO features, including the Symphony sidebar, which is considered experimental. LibreOffice developers are working at the integration with the widget layout technique (which will make it dynamically resizeable and consistent with the behaviour of LibreOffice dialog windows). LibreOffice 4.1 arrives at the end of a significant development process, which has just been outlined on the foundation blog: http://wp.me/p1byPE-q0. Feature wise, the summary is here: https://www.libreoffice.org/features/why-libreoffice/. In just two months, on September 25, 2013, the LibreOffice community will gather in Italy at the Third LibreOffice Conference, hosted by the Department of Computer Science of Milan State University. More information on the conference web site at the following address: http://conference.libreoffice.org/2013/en. The Call for Paper is open until Sunday, August 4. Downloading LibreOffice LibreOffice
Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop integration working now?
On 27/07/13 15:36, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hi, As a first installment... - What goes wrong? Clicking on any of the icons for the various parts of LO doesn't cause anything to come up. Also, there is no LibreOffice icon for the complete package, only icons for the various parts... - Yes, I DID delete LO befor trying to install 4.1 (apt-get purge libreoffice*) - I know the aspect of the desktop-integration subdirectory existing in prior versions. What do you mean be seamless ... installation routine? I ran dpkg -i *deb in all of the three DEBS-directories in the correct sequence (but obviously no dpkg -i *deb within a desktop-integration subdirectory because it does not exist in LO 4.1). Is there anything in addition that I have to do? - How do I check the menu edit options? I have reverted back to 3.6.7 now, may uninstall that version completely and try to install 4.1. But - honestly - it is MUCH to hot here at the moment to do so and not to prefer going for a glass of beer... (smiley!) Regards On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 14:21:44 +0200, sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/07/13 11:10, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hello, Not the rpm- but the deb-Version (32bit) on Debian-Wheezy-KDE 4.10. IT STILL DOES NOT WORK!!! Regards Heinrich snip Hello Heinrich Seems like you have been experiencing difficulty with this version for quite some time, IIRC? However, despite your frustration, can you say more precisely is not working. Just to review typical sticking points however, although I'm sure you've gone through these already: 1. Have you deleted your current LibO installation before installing 4.1? If you haven't, this can be done via the synaptic GUI, filtering installed packages, and selecting appropriate files for complete removal and then applying. 2. Did you run the latest release candidate, because the new release build has a seamless desktop-integration installation routine, whereas previous attempts to install always gave install errors. So if you're not using the latest, then you may stand a better chance of success. 3. Have you checked your menu edit options? The updater may not have caught the version changes and therefore did not automatically update the menu with the correct launchers. You might want to double check that. 4. I found that invoking soffice didn't seem to work, but using this did: /usr/bin/X11/libreoffice4.1 %u This just may be a local quirk though. Anyway, please expand on what is not working, and give the email a meaningful subject line so those who are knowledgeable about the system are more likely to see your request for help. Good luck Heinrich Just taking a rough stab at this ... I think that the way in which you are removing previous installations may be causing a problem. Just as a double check, open up the synaptic package manager GUI and go to All. In the search box type libreoffice (no quotes) and it should filter out all non-LibO files. At the top of the index, click on the installed version to sort and then right click on the little green boxes that show the version installed. For each one that is a LibO file with any suffix (e.g. 3.* or 4.*) select mark for complete removal on the context menu. Then hit apply after approving the summary. Then close. Then go back to your extracted folders and do the cd and the sudo dpkg -i *.deb routines as normal. My experience after following those steps was that LibO4.1 installed, that I didn't have to take the additional step of cd to desktop-integration. Then I edited the panel to have the new launcher and was done. By edit the menus I meant just that. Try under preferences or appearances or even just menu edit. Not using KDE I don't have a clue, sorry. But it will have the functionality. Then you just ensure that the proper menu icons are loaded/ enabled by ticking a selection box or something similar. If, after installing 4.1 the icons still don't trigger the LibO suite, then try /usr/bin/X11/libreoffice4.1 at the terminal and see if anything happens. A glass of beer sounds nice about now :-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions
On 24/07/13 16:12, Bill Zaffer wrote: I heard about your system on Corbett Report. The reason I would want to join is do not want NSA checking my emails or other forms of communications. Am I protected with your site. Also, if I join your system, do I drop my Cox Internet Connection or still keep it plus with emails do I get to keep my Outlook or hotmail accounts? William Zaffer www.zafferhomes.com Scottsdale, Arizona 480-201-7387 Stop being exploited, learn to eat healthier at home, learn to live a Earth Friendly lifestyle, shop local, and buy more American but moderate consumption. We need to rethink and restructure the system. It is not sustainable. If you’re not prepared to be wrong, you’ll never come up with anything original.” Hello Bill You may have some misunderstanding about this email list. I'm no tech, but what I can say is this and others will no doubt correct me and give more info too: (1) this is an email-based discussion/ support list for people using LibreOffice, an open source alternative to MS Office. It does not require you to join anything (although you can subscribe for nothing to receive replies to your emails - hence I've cc'd you, since I don't know if you subscribed or not). The good news is that because LibO is open source, the chances for the NSA to have a backdoor access to this suite is vanishingly small ... although, of course, using Microsoft as your operating system already means that the NSA have a backdoor into your system - that is to say, that Microsoft is a surveillance enabled system in its own right. This is a link http://tinyurl.com/m2hnbv6 to a google search for microsoft nsa backdoor giving 524,000 results. (2) this will in no way stop the NSA from reading your emails. If you want to do that, you have some options. One is to review http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml find out who voted No to the Amash Amendment and lobby those to actually represent the interests of the American people in matters of privacy and civil liberties (2nd and 4th Amendment Rights) rather than fuel the paranoid Security Industry agenda for Full Spectrum Dominance. Another would be to visit http://stopprism.org as well as choosing software alternatives from https://prism-break.org/ (3) If you wanted a more secure email, sign up for Hush Mail which claims to encrypt your emails and not to record IP addresses http://www.hushmail.com or just create phoney Google accounts, and use a proxy or a VPN to log into and use these. (4) This site does not provide an ISP, so you will have to keep your existing Net provider unless you decide to opt for an alternative. I hope this helps clarify some things for you. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions
Hi Tom Actually, I preferred your first reply :-) But, your second was more to the point of the OP. Cheers On 25/07/13 11:45, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Errr, ok, i have re-read this and think i misunderstood a few things. Yes, people do keep going on about security and the dangers of the internet (usually hypocritically) but we do keep your personal data about as safe as, or possibly safer than the Pentagon keeps there's or the space station keeps their commandcontrol systems, or the stock-exchanges around the world keep their's. Like all of them we use one of many unix-based systems.Hmm, not all stock-exchanges are as safe and definitely not all banks! Windows is ok as a desktop but it's not good enough when security is critical. There are many things that would be considered a security problem in unix-based systems that Windows doesn't even worry about at all, such as being forced to shut-down a machine. 1. You keep your existing internet connection. If you want to use a different one from your existing one that has nothing to do with us and if you do change then that doesn't affect us at all. As long as you get access to the internet that's all that matters really. 2. Your hotmail account or other email accounts remain the same. Again that is nothing to do with us. if you change to a different email account then you would have to re-subscribe with the new one. So, it's probably easier to just keep the one you have. Your emails come through your internet connection but if you changed email account or got a 2nd one then that would come through your internet connection too. You could have lots of different email accounts with lots of different companies or even lots from the same company but it's usually better to keep it simple and just have 1 or 2 email accounts. Your internet service provider (=isp) does not need to know about what email accounts you have. If you do ever change your isp then they also don't need to know about your email accounts. Your isp might want to know your email address so that they can write to you. 3. You can keep using Outlook. It is just a tool for reading emails. If you have lots of email accounts then you can probably get Outlook to collect them all for you but you would have to configure Outlook to do that. If you are temporarily without internet access then Outlook can probably show you your old emails but it just wont get any of the new ones until you connect again. People may tell you that you have to change to something else for any of those 3 things but that is much the same as telling you to eat greens or eat more fruit. They might think other tools are better for you but it's your choice as to what you use. Please ignore my earlier post! I thought the question was about something else. Regards from Tom :) *From:* sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Cc:* bzaf...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013, 10:03 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions On 24/07/13 16:12, Bill Zaffer wrote: I heard about your system on Corbett Report. The reason I would want to join is do not want NSA checking my emails or other forms of communications. Am I protected with your site. Also, if I join your system, do I drop my Cox Internet Connection or still keep it plus with emails do I get to keep my Outlook or hotmail accounts? William Zaffer www.zafferhomes.com Scottsdale, Arizona 480-201-7387 Stop being exploited, learn to eat healthier at home, learn to live a Earth Friendly lifestyle, shop local, and buy more American but moderate consumption. We need to rethink and restructure the system. It is not sustainable. If you’re not prepared to be wrong, you’ll never come up with anything original.” Hello Bill You may have some misunderstanding about this email list. I'm no tech, but what I can say is this and others will no doubt correct me and give more info too: (1) this is an email-based discussion/ support list for people using LibreOffice, an open source alternative to MS Office. It does not require you to join anything (although you can subscribe for nothing to receive replies to your emails - hence I've cc'd you, since I don't know if you subscribed or not). The good news is that because LibO is open source, the chances for the NSA to have a backdoor access to this suite is vanishingly small ... although, of course, using Microsoft as your operating system already means that the NSA have a backdoor into your system - that is to say, that Microsoft is a surveillance enabled system in its own right. This is a link http://tinyurl.com/m2hnbv6 to a google search
Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration
Girvin This is a topic I have some interest in and have been following. While I am aware of the capacity to run the soffice script from the terminal and even creating a custom launcher for the Gnome, XFCE4 and in Mint, Mate panels, what I am curious about is exactly why doing so is even necessary in the first place? This will have been the first time in my experience of using OOo and now LibO that doing this manually is necessary, and it makes me wonder what value the desktop-integration package has if the user still needs to do this customised approach to get the application to work. Are you able to shine any light on the matter? Is this an oversight from the 4.1. beta developers, a bug, or - a feature? Similarly, any ideas about why this desktop integration (which doesn't) is only geared for the KDE and not for Gnome (and Gnome-like) DEs? Thanks for any insights you can share. On 21/07/13 20:47, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Heinrich, Have you tried bringing LibreOffice up with soffice in a terminal shell, or unambiguously, /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/soffice (less quotes, of course)? If that works, then you could manually add a link in your menu or at least an icon on your desktop. soffice is the main libreoffice program or, more accurately, script, that invokes the other programs (Writer, Calc, etc.). If that program is not run first, then the others may not be initialized properly to run. You could also run writer, calc, etc. from a terminal and see what messages are output from it. They may give you a clue as to why it isn't running properly. But my bet is on soffice. FYI: soffice is a legacy name from the StarOffice days. Maybe some day the devs will get around to changing that - unless it would break something. Hope this helps. Girvin Herr snip -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration
On 21/07/13 09:34, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hello, The system on which I am trying to get LO 4.1-RC3 to run is: Linux Debian Wheezy with KDE 4.10, latest software levels. I first removed LO 3.6.2 using apt-get remove libreoffice* and then installed 4.1-RC3 using dpkg- i *deb from within all three directories in the correct sequence. The installation went smoothly - no hick-ups! Now I find LO 4.1 within the programme start menu of KDE (under office applications). To be precise - everything is there (base, writer, impress, etc.) except the icon for LibreOffice itself (like it used to be under 3.6). When I now try to start Writer, nothing at all happens. The same is true when trying to start the other components... Any help is appreciated. Regards from sunny and hot Salzburg H. Stoellinger Same here Heinrich - which is precisely the same problem I experienced when I tried installing 4.1 about a month ago. This is why I thought a desktop-integration directory was still required. The current installation does not support Gnome (or related) menus, does not seem to trigger any application to launch. The read me's and installation documents still refer to a separate desktop integration command, and if one is to use the installation file, there is no clear indication of how to do so. I'm happy enough to beta test, but would like to know how to install the application to get it to start in the first place. Anyone out there who has successfully gotten the 4.1 to install and start on a Debian type system? I'm running Mint 14, and at this point in time am stymied, so I'm reverting back to 4.0.4 which seems to be pretty stable and installs and works as one has come to expect of LibO. On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 20:22:08 +0200, sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/07/13 19:06, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 20/07/2013 at 19:51, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: So we no longer have to do a separate install command for installing the desktop menus? So one sudo dpkg -i *.deb is all we need? Yes, this is how it is supposed to work. (There are some bugs in rc3 that causes package conflicts with earlier version of LO, so running this command might run you into trouble.) On the other hand: if you are like me and you keep different LO versions installed for testing purposes, then you must take extra care to not install desktop-menus and not pollute your working environment with unnecessary menu entries. But since this is not use-case for most of users, I believe change is for good. In which case the installation notes for the 4.1 for *.deb need to be updated since they still give the two separate commands, the second suggesting cd to the desktop-integration directory before issuing the second sudo dpkg -i *.deb command. Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration
On 21/07/13 10:14, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hello, Do you know whether the native MySQL connector works under LO 4.0.4? If it does I will try THAT release, otherwise I will revert to 3.6.2 - which works just fine. Regards H Hi Heinrich No I don't know specifically - if you tell me how to check I will do so and come back to you. A On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 11:06:35 +0200, sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/07/13 09:34, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hello, The system on which I am trying to get LO 4.1-RC3 to run is: Linux Debian Wheezy with KDE 4.10, latest software levels. I first removed LO 3.6.2 using apt-get remove libreoffice* and then installed 4.1-RC3 using dpkg- i *deb from within all three directories in the correct sequence. The installation went smoothly - no hick-ups! Now I find LO 4.1 within the programme start menu of KDE (under office applications). To be precise - everything is there (base, writer, impress, etc.) except the icon for LibreOffice itself (like it used to be under 3.6). When I now try to start Writer, nothing at all happens. The same is true when trying to start the other components... Any help is appreciated. Regards from sunny and hot Salzburg H. Stoellinger Same here Heinrich - which is precisely the same problem I experienced when I tried installing 4.1 about a month ago. This is why I thought a desktop-integration directory was still required. The current installation does not support Gnome (or related) menus, does not seem to trigger any application to launch. The read me's and installation documents still refer to a separate desktop integration command, and if one is to use the installation file, there is no clear indication of how to do so. I'm happy enough to beta test, but would like to know how to install the application to get it to start in the first place. Anyone out there who has successfully gotten the 4.1 to install and start on a Debian type system? I'm running Mint 14, and at this point in time am stymied, so I'm reverting back to 4.0.4 which seems to be pretty stable and installs and works as one has come to expect of LibO. On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 20:22:08 +0200, sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/07/13 19:06, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 20/07/2013 at 19:51, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: So we no longer have to do a separate install command for installing the desktop menus? So one sudo dpkg -i *.deb is all we need? Yes, this is how it is supposed to work. (There are some bugs in rc3 that causes package conflicts with earlier version of LO, so running this command might run you into trouble.) On the other hand: if you are like me and you keep different LO versions installed for testing purposes, then you must take extra care to not install desktop-menus and not pollute your working environment with unnecessary menu entries. But since this is not use-case for most of users, I believe change is for good. In which case the installation notes for the 4.1 for *.deb need to be updated since they still give the two separate commands, the second suggesting cd to the desktop-integration directory before issuing the second sudo dpkg -i *.deb command. Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration
On 21/07/13 12:18, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hi, Well, I suppose you have a MySQL database running? If so, you have to define an LO-Base-database (file-new database). Then you have to choose the Native MySQL connection, server parameters (such as server name, MySQL- database name, password, port (3306)). Let me know if you have any trouble - because I could of course remove 4.1 und install 4.0.4 myself. Thanks a lot regards H Hi again No I am not running a MySQL dB, however, if it worked under 4.0 through 4.0.3 then there should be no reason that it wouldn't do so also under 4.0.4 as well. If you haven't already done so, browse the read mes and change logs, but I can't see any mention of any changes to MySQL connectivity when I went through them. Good luck A On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 11:40:17 +0200, sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/07/13 10:14, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hello, Do you know whether the native MySQL connector works under LO 4.0.4? If it does I will try THAT release, otherwise I will revert to 3.6.2 - which works just fine. Regards H Hi Heinrich No I don't know specifically - if you tell me how to check I will do so and come back to you. A On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 11:06:35 +0200, sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/07/13 09:34, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hello, The system on which I am trying to get LO 4.1-RC3 to run is: Linux Debian Wheezy with KDE 4.10, latest software levels. I first removed LO 3.6.2 using apt-get remove libreoffice* and then installed 4.1-RC3 using dpkg- i *deb from within all three directories in the correct sequence. The installation went smoothly - no hick-ups! Now I find LO 4.1 within the programme start menu of KDE (under office applications). To be precise - everything is there (base, writer, impress, etc.) except the icon for LibreOffice itself (like it used to be under 3.6). When I now try to start Writer, nothing at all happens. The same is true when trying to start the other components... Any help is appreciated. Regards from sunny and hot Salzburg H. Stoellinger Same here Heinrich - which is precisely the same problem I experienced when I tried installing 4.1 about a month ago. This is why I thought a desktop-integration directory was still required. The current installation does not support Gnome (or related) menus, does not seem to trigger any application to launch. The read me's and installation documents still refer to a separate desktop integration command, and if one is to use the installation file, there is no clear indication of how to do so. I'm happy enough to beta test, but would like to know how to install the application to get it to start in the first place. Anyone out there who has successfully gotten the 4.1 to install and start on a Debian type system? I'm running Mint 14, and at this point in time am stymied, so I'm reverting back to 4.0.4 which seems to be pretty stable and installs and works as one has come to expect of LibO. On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 20:22:08 +0200, sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/07/13 19:06, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 20/07/2013 at 19:51, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: So we no longer have to do a separate install command for installing the desktop menus? So one sudo dpkg -i *.deb is all we need? Yes, this is how it is supposed to work. (There are some bugs in rc3 that causes package conflicts with earlier version of LO, so running this command might run you into trouble.) On the other hand: if you are like me and you keep different LO versions installed for testing purposes, then you must take extra care to not install desktop-menus and not pollute your working environment with unnecessary menu entries. But since this is not use-case for most of users, I believe change is for good. In which case the installation notes for the 4.1 for *.deb need to be updated since they still give the two separate commands, the second suggesting cd to the desktop-integration directory before issuing the second sudo dpkg -i *.deb command. Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration
On 20/07/13 19:06, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 20/07/2013 at 19:51, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: So we no longer have to do a separate install command for installing the desktop menus? So one sudo dpkg -i *.deb is all we need? Yes, this is how it is supposed to work. (There are some bugs in rc3 that causes package conflicts with earlier version of LO, so running this command might run you into trouble.) On the other hand: if you are like me and you keep different LO versions installed for testing purposes, then you must take extra care to not install desktop-menus and not pollute your working environment with unnecessary menu entries. But since this is not use-case for most of users, I believe change is for good. In which case the installation notes for the 4.1 for *.deb need to be updated since they still give the two separate commands, the second suggesting cd to the desktop-integration directory before issuing the second sudo dpkg -i *.deb command. Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] When is LibO4.1. for deb going to get desktop integration?
Hi When is the LibO4.1 release package for Debian systems going to get the desktop integration directory and files? Similarly, if it isn't going to get those, can someone please update the installation notes for users who want to try out 4.1 but - like me - are looking for the desktop integration which isn't there and how one is supposed to work around that. Thanks for any help. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Mismatch between installed version number and update icon message
Dear list I'm running Mint 14 and wonder if this is this a glitch in the LibO updates indicator? I recently installed LibO4.0.4 and the update icon is still visible in the top right hand corner of any component window (e.g. Writer, Calc, etc.). When I select the icon the message is LibreOffice 4.0.4 is available. The installed version is LibreOffice 4.0.3.3. When I select About from the Help menu, the version number is also given as 4.0.3.3. and yet, according to Synaptic, the version I am running is 4.0.4.2-2. I appreciate this isn't serious, I'm just wondering if something has gone amiss in the 4.0.4 release which gives this misidentification of the version being run. Thanks for any insight -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Installing LibO4.0.4 on GNU/Linux Mint
Hi list After installing LibO4.0.4 on GNU/Linux Mint 14 two interesting points that I have noticed: (1) the update icon still remains in the top right corner of the LibO window, presumably because (2) the About window displays the installation as Version 4.0.3.3 Yet, the version I downloaded and installed was LibreOffice_4.0.4.2_Linux_x86_deb It seems a minor issue really, so I'm just curious about this. I tried installing LibO4.1 and that turned out to be really bad - no desktop integration and I had difficulty opening up any of the components, so that had to get removed PDQ, so hence back to 4.0.4 (which seems to think it is 4.0.3). Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Installing LibO4.0.4 on GNU/Linux Mint
Steve Does the Mac installation candidate have a desktop-integration directory within the main installation directory? For Debian/ Ubuntu type GNU/Linux systems it does, hence both Heinrich and me could not install 4.1 unfortunately. There also doesn't seem to be any mention of this on the bug-tracker page. In any event - back to my original two questions ... On 23/06/13 10:35, Steve Edmonds wrote: 4.1 is working nicely on my mac. Steve On 2013-06-23 21:09, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hi also from me, Same experience here! 4.1-rc1 has no desktop integration. Should not have been made available yet, since one cannot start it at all (at least not under Linux-Mint-15!). Regards H. S. On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:47:33 +0200, sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list After installing LibO4.0.4 on GNU/Linux Mint 14 two interesting points that I have noticed: (1) the update icon still remains in the top right corner of the LibO window, presumably because (2) the About window displays the installation as Version 4.0.3.3 Yet, the version I downloaded and installed was LibreOffice_4.0.4.2_Linux_x86_deb It seems a minor issue really, so I'm just curious about this. I tried installing LibO4.1 and that turned out to be really bad - no desktop integration and I had difficulty opening up any of the components, so that had to get removed PDQ, so hence back to 4.0.4 (which seems to think it is 4.0.3). Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Tracking changes in LibO writer
On 28/05/13 14:29, Werner F. Bruhin wrote: Hi, On 28/05/2013 14:23, sun shine wrote: Hello list ... Don't have solution for you Also, BTW: what purpose is there in recording changes but not showing them, which the Edit - Changes menu allows for? Wouldn't it be more straight forward to simply enable changes that will - by default - both record and show the changes? I think the default makes sense, I make changes why would it need to show them to me, I would think it is more important to see what is there now and then for someone else (or me later on) to turn on show changes. Hi Werner I appreciate that. However, when working on a document over several days, it is helpful to see what changes I have already made so I don't try to make changes again to the same part. I guess at that point I enable show, but that wouldn't have occurred to me to record them without seeing them. Different strokes and all that I guess. About the original problem - I've noticed also that hyperlinks (urls in the text) don't come up blue either, just underlined. I wonder therefore if there is a text/ font colour setting I should be fiddling with to enable different coloured fonts? Cheers Just my 0.02€ Werner -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Tracking changes in LibO writer
Hello list I am attempting to edit a document using (track) changes. I have selected record and show changes under Edit and under Options - LibreOffice Writer - Changes have selected that the text display is light red, as are all deletions, attributes, etc. However, when editing a document, the changes continue to be in the original text colour (i.e. black) although a red line appears in the left hand margin where a change was made (which is what I want). What I also want, but which isn't happening, is for the changed/ edited text is not red. So, while a mark in the margin shows that text has been changed, I also want to ensure that the (changed) text is also red. How do I go about doing this? Also, BTW: what purpose is there in recording changes but not showing them, which the Edit - Changes menu allows for? Wouldn't it be more straight forward to simply enable changes that will - by default - both record and show the changes? Thanks for any help. This is in LibO 4.0.3.3 on GNU/Linux Mint. Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Opening recent Writer documents takes me to start of doc in LibO v.4.0.3.3
On 15/05/13 13:33, Sigrid Carrera wrote: Hi, Have you entered your name in the tools Options settings? LO needs to have at lease your name to be able to bring you to the last used position. Sigrid Thanks Tim and Sigrid for your suggestions, and sorry to have taken so long to respond. I have tried these solutions as well as those given on the link Tim sent. However, after all of that, the only thing that gets me back to the last save is shift+F5. This is a good enough work around, but not really a fix. Even changing the ODF format version to 1.2 (not 1.2 extended), giving personal information in the user data boxes did not help, and it seems that there are a few others as well. This is the first time that this has happened with all of the upgrades, and I upgraded recently from the previous update (4.0.2, I think). Perhaps it'll be fixed in the next release. Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Opening recent Writer documents takes me to start of doc in LibO v.4.0.3.3
Hi list In LibO v. 4.0.3.3 Writer when I open existing documents via the File/ Recent Documents menu, the requested document opens at the beginning of the document, and not at the end/ last saved point as expected. This is on GNU/ Linux Mint 14, with LibO 4.0.3.3. Any thoughts about how to test/ correct this or to open at the last saved position? Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] *.csv formats and MS DOS CSV formats
Hi list My wife needs to submit *.csv files to the UK HMRC dept however, they request that these are sent as *.csv ms-dos format. Having saved a calc sheet as a *.csv file, she tested this by opening it up with MS Excel, and found several errors that made the file unreadable. How can I advise her to save spreadsheets as *.csv formats in a way that HMRC can read these as if saved in the MS Dos CSV format (which LibO doesn't have the option to do)? Is there something in the save procedure that she needs to attend to? Thanks for any help, because it will be important to get this right as I have just (successfully) advocated that the charity she works for adopts LibO in favour of MS Office. If the HMRC cannot read CSV files saved in LibO, then this will be a deal breaker for the charity as they have to submit such files regularly. Cheers -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: *.csv formats and MS DOS CSV formats
On 24/04/13 14:17, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 24/04/2013 14:36, sun shine a écrit : Hi, How can I advise her to save spreadsheets as *.csv formats in a way that HMRC can read these as if saved in the MS Dos CSV format (which LibO doesn't have the option to do)? Is there something in the save procedure that she needs to attend to? Sorry if I appear a bit dim, but CSV literally stands for Comma Separated Values, with a line feed/carriage return symbol at the end of each line. Unix and MS-DOS line feeds/newline commands are different, e.g. Unix relies on \n to indicate a newline, whereas MS-DOS (and Windows) relies on \n\r (or LF/CR). Is this the type of formatting you are looking for ? What exactly are the errors that your wife sees when opening the CSV file in Excel ? Alex Hi Alex This may well be what she needs - i.e. insert the additional \r value for formatting the line endings. I don't know and there's nothing that I can use from looking for this on the web. The file was originally saved on a Windows machine as a *.csv dos format, and was opened in LibO which was fine (except the worksheet tab wasn't named as it had been in the original and instead labelled it merely as Sheet 1). Then she saved the same file from LibO using the *csv save option (because LibO doesn't give any further *csv options) and tested it by opening it up in Excel. At that point, she saw that some of the text in the file was now represented by squares, but overall the text wasn't separated out (i.e. NOT comma separated) and the fields ran together as one paragraph, including headers and content. So it could be that LibO is not saving the DOS newline formatting, in which case I need to brief her on how she can set that up when saving in LibO and (preferably even) to automate that. I've reviewed the Calc extensions and don't see anything - so is this an opportunity for a hack perhaps? Anyway, I hope all of this makes some kind of sense? Cheers -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: *.csv formats and MS DOS CSV formats
On 24/04/13 14:22, Tom wrote: Hi :) When saving as Csv you get various options. Probably the most crucial one is the Field delimiter drop-down which needs to be set to , It should start out being the default but if you change it then the new choice becomes the new default so you'll need to change it back. Mostly that is not a worry because , is the most commonly used delimited. Tabs or spaces are sometimes used but then it's usually called a tsv. csv = comma separated values tsv = tab separated values For Text delimiter the usual standard choice is . If it's not then that might be seen as an error. That might also need you to tick the box Quote all text cells which is not set by default so that is possibly the most likely problem you are having. Given that it's an English government bureaucracy it is highly likely that they are asking for one thing but expecting something completely different. Also it is quite possible that your local version of Excel is misbehaving. It offers similar choices but the crucial one that goes wrong there is Character Set needs to be Unicode Utf-8, i think, at least in our country most of the time. Given that the file is going to HMRC i guess you can't upload a copy to Nabble to let us have a look but is it possible to give us a small test-file just to see if we can spot what's going wrong? The line-ending issue might be a red herring if you are using Windows. It only comes into play if you are using LibreOffice on GnuLinux (such as Ubuntu/Mint, openSUSE, Mageia, Fedora, Android or whatever version). Are you using something other than Windows? Regards from Tom :) Hi Tom My wife sent me the file in question, saved on a MS machine as a CSV DOS format file. I opened it LibO on a GNU/Linux machine and saved as a *csv file. The only change I made was to its name, I renamed it. I sent this file back. She opened it on a MS machine using Excel and the initial problem was repeated. When saving it in LibO, there is no option to specify any parameters as your reply suggested (although there was when I opened it in LibO). When she opens it in Excel, there is no options about parameters, nor are there any once the file is opened. The file (MS readable) becomes MS-unreadable once it has been opened and saved in LibO (on a GNU/Linux machine) although I think also on a MS machine running LibO, so I'm not sure about the platform, but think rather that it has to do with some parameter MS DOS CSV format imposes that LibO doesn't allow for. Cheers -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: *.csv formats and MS DOS CSV formats
On 24/04/13 14:26, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 24/04/2013 14:36, sun shine a écrit : Looking at this : http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true_pageLabel=pageImport_ShowContentid=HMCE_PROD_010685propertyType=document gives a list on how to structure the file and hints on what to do if your CSV submission fails, e.g. if leading zeroes get dropped or if NULL/0 values get replaced with nothing (as is the case with LibreOffice). The solution to those particular problems is to enter the data as a text string (by putting a leading apostrophe, for example). That same page also recommends not working on your CSV file directly, and in particular not to re-open it in your spreadsheet program (Excel cited in that particular case) !! Alex Hi Alex list I got it wrong - this was a pensions trust submission, not HMRC. My bad. In any event - I think I may have solved this. My test was this: My wife sent me the file created and saved on MS as *.csv DOS. I opened it on GNU/Linux LibO. This opened a dialogue box and I ensured that the UTF-8 was the default encoding, and under the section that reads Separated By, all boxes were blanked except for comma, and that the text delimiter is . I edited this file, saved it under a new-name.csv and selected Edit Filter Settings in the Save As dialogue box, reviewed my selection and saved. My wife opened this new-name.csv file in Windows Excel and it was fine ... so I guess that the changes need to be made at the front end when opening the file in LibO and then double checked at the time of saving. This sounds like this will work for the charity concerned, so hopefully this will be the solution that satisfies the Pensions Trust as well. Cheers all - appreciate the promptness of your replies and the quality of your help. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Any plans to incorporate anything from the Lotus Symphony UI?
On 19/02/13 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote: Hello, I read recently that IBM had finally donated all of the Lotus Symphony UI code to AOO... Are there any plans to at least take a look at this code and possibly cherry pick it to give a facelift for LO? I don't want (hate!) the ribbon in MSO, but would love to see the UI with a decent facelift/refresh... And what did you have in mind? Would you have a different UI style in mind, or are there perhaps existing bugs and issues that would warrant higher prioritisation? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] icons
On 12/02/13 22:39, Malcolm Moore wrote: The tool bar icons. OpenSuse include about 4 ... I love LO I just think the ones you get with openSuse are a bit dated Ta M _ From: IBBoard [mailto:ibbo...@gmail.com] To: Malcolm Moore [mailto:st-malcolm.mo...@whsg.info] Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:34:52 + Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] icons Which icons? The launcher icons or the toolbar icons? I'm not on my opensuse machine now, but I think they package some of the toolbar icon themes separately. There are also launcher icons in some sets on sites like gnome-look, but as I'm just finding then they don't seem to be applied once the app opens. On Feb 12, 2013 9:19 PM, Malcolm Moore st-malcolm.mo...@whsg.info wrote: Is there anywhere that does different icon sets .. sorry, but I think the ones that come with opensuse are a bit boring Ta M -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Does your installation package have a desktop integration directory? If so, that might have more up-to-date icons in it? At least, that's how it works withthe Debian-based installations, so YMMV. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Version 4.0 - Enjoying it?
On 11/02/13 04:28, Joel Madero wrote: Hi All, I hope you're all enjoying the new release of LibreOffice 4! For those of you who are finding LibreOffice to be a great productivity suite I encourage you to head over to http://donate.libreoffice.org/ and donate a few dollars to allow our great team of developers to continue improving on an already incredible product. LibreOffice is free and open but for many, it allows us to rid ourselves from other software which can be hundreds of dollars, even $5 helps a ton to maintain our infrastructure and to promote LibreOffice worldwide. I hope all of you will consider. Thanks for reading! Best Regards, Joel Hello Joel Having tested LibO 4.0 for the last couple of days, it appears to be the best ever version release!! Congrats to the team of 500 developers. I will def consider making a contribution to this worthy cause. Thanks again. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb
On 10/02/13 18:13, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) my extremely inelegant way would be to uninstall both and then just reinstall the one you do want. There has to be a lot of better ways to do this though! Regards from Tom :) From: M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com To: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com Cc: LibreOffice, users users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 10 February 2013, 18:02 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb 2013/2/9 Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com On 02/09/2013 04:21 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: On 02/09/2013 03:07 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I downloaded the .Deb for Ubuntu (and others) twice yday and tried installing it as per instructions but when i tried running LibreOffice from the command-line by typing in libreoffice I got an error message saying that LibreOffice couldn't run because i was missing a package called something like libreoffice-common when i looked through all the packages in the Deb and desktop integration folders i found there was one! I'm sure it's been there in previous releases?! However when i double-click on a docX or odt or anything then LibreOffice 4 does successfully open it. So, it's a bit weird but doesn't seem to be problem unless i try that odd way of opening LO in a way that i would never normally have tried unless i wanted to try to collect error reports and stuff (ie never). Regards from Tom :) Tom I confirm the CLI libreoffice gives the error missing libreoffice-common run sudo apt-get libreoffice-common. This was using LO 4.0 (direct download) and Mint 13 Maya. All the features have beens installed including help-pack and SDK LO 4.0 does run when menu or file is clicked. What is the CLI entry to run LO 4.0 in Linux I think is the question. Command line to run LO 4.0 (or earlier versions as well) in linux: /opt/libreoffice4.0/program/**soffice. (Note, you could use sbase, scalc, etc. instead of soffice.) When Ubuntu installs it version of LO, it puts a script that starts LO in Path$. So, if you want to use the command line, add /opt/libreoffice4.0/program to Path$. Then use sbase, scalc, sdraw, simpress, or soffice in the command line. Ubuntu will know what to do with it. What I do is to add a menu to the top panel. Within it, I have the icons (tools?) that will open the particular version of a program such as LO that I want. You have to edit the Applications menu first creating a new menu. Then add the new menu to the top panel. (There is a little more to do with this though.) file:///home/dan/Screenshot%**20from%202013-02-09%2017:23:**50.png --Dan I have the legacy Version 3.6.0.1 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:101)) om my main box, running 64-bit Ubuntu 12.04 with the Cinnamon environment and, not surprisingly, entering »soffice« from the command line lauches that version of LO. I installed version 4.0.0.3 a couple of days ago, and if I instead perform »/opt/libreoffice4.0/program/soffice« it is that version which will launch. What I should like to do is to entirely replace the former with the latter (with which, so far, I am very happy), so that when I run »soffice« in a terminal or click my LO icons in Cinnamon, it is LibreOffice 4.0.0.3 which launches instead of 3.6.0.1. Any suggestions - with all the gory details - as to how to best go about this ?... Henri -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Henri/ Tom This is probably the best way for future reference. Run synaptic and select for complete removal all instances of the LibreOffice-3.6.0.1, including Uno, apply changes. You should then be able to run LibO 4 from either a menu, the terminal or from a customised launcher on the panel. In terms of simplicity, FWIW, I have always used the option of adding an application launcher to my panel, and selecting the application I want installed. HtH -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Libo 4.0 keeps crashing
Hi Just downloaded and installed LibO4.0 on Linux Mint. First congrats on reaching this milestone - well done and thanks!! However ... a problem: LibO writer has crashed twice in the last five minutes and although some of the lost materials were recovered, it is an issue of concern for me if this is going to continue happening. How can I (a) stop it from crashing and/ or (b) provide useful feedback to developers to ensure that this doesn't continue to occur? Cheers -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libo 4.0 keeps crashing
On 09/02/13 16:58, Jay Lozier wrote: On 02/09/2013 09:45 AM, sun shine wrote: Hi Just downloaded and installed LibO4.0 on Linux Mint. First congrats on reaching this milestone - well done and thanks!! However ... a problem: LibO writer has crashed twice in the last five minutes and although some of the lost materials were recovered, it is an issue of concern for me if this is going to continue happening. How can I (a) stop it from crashing and/ or (b) provide useful feedback to developers to ensure that this doesn't continue to occur? Cheers Using Mint Maya and LO 4.0 I have had no problems with the final release. Try renaming the user profile which is in /home/user/Documents/.config/libreoffice/4 to /home/user/Documents/.config/4-old. LO will rebuild the 4 folder if it is not present. Often this fixes the problem. Not user is your username Folders and files with .name are hidden so in your file manager (Nemo/Nautilus) click show hidden files. Since I had the RC installed I did a complete uninstall of all versions of LO installed. Then installed everything including help files and the SDK. Hi Jay I also did a complete reinstall once I learned that LibOI 4.0 was available. Since posting this issue though I haven't had any similar problems so am hoping that this was merely a minor glitch and not indicative of the shape of things to come. Thanks for your input. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libo 4.0 keeps crashing
On 09/02/13 17:51, Joel Madero wrote: On 02/09/2013 08:58 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: On 02/09/2013 09:45 AM, sun shine wrote: Hi Just downloaded and installed LibO4.0 on Linux Mint. First congrats on reaching this milestone - well done and thanks!! However ... a problem: LibO writer has crashed twice in the last five minutes and although some of the lost materials were recovered, it is an issue of concern for me if this is going to continue happening. How can I (a) stop it from crashing and/ or (b) provide useful feedback to developers to ensure that this doesn't continue to occur? Cheers Please see this bug, see if it helps: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60210 Best Regards, joel Thanks Joel Will monitor for future reference. So far though, after a couple of crashes it all seems to hold steady! Famous last words? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A (sane) way of doing bullets and numbering
On 09/02/13 16:34, Dan Lewis wrote: On 02/08/2013 08:02 AM, sun shine wrote: Hi list One of the biggest (personal) bugbears I have with LibO (and OOo before this) is the issue of numbering and bulleting. It just seems counter-intuitive to me and is one of the very few areas where I think that MS has a better approach. I have a numbered list in a table and now I want sub-numbers, such as: 1. text text text text text 1.1. text text text text 1.2. text text text text 2. text text text text text However two things happen: (1) I have to manually play around with the sub-number positions so that there isn't (a) a large tab space between the number and the start of the text and (b) the sub-number is aligned reasonably close to the main number; and (2) the text of the sub-number (e.g. 1.1.) does not align itself to where the text for that sub-number starts. Instead, it goes all the way to align with the main number (e.g. 1.). This is difficult to reproduce using the email but basically it looks really sloppy, and I don't know how to set it up so that the numbers and sub-numbers and the associated text align in blocks. I think that there is something I might be able to do with a style page - but that seems like a lot of work just to get some numbers aligned. Any ideas/ suggestions? Thanks You are using a numbering style in the Styles and Formatting window (List styles)? It appears so, because I don't know how to use sub-numbers without using this style. There are three values that determine where numbering and text appears on a given line of the list: the distance from the beginning of numbering to the beginning of text,where the numbering begins, and where additional lines for a given sub-number begin. These are controlled in the Position page (tab) of the numbering style you are using. It should be easier to enter values in the following order: Aligned at, Numbering followed by, and Indent at. In fact in my experience, Numbering followed by and Indent at are usually the same value. This way the text in succeeding lines line up with the text of the top line for a given number or sub-number. Aligned at: This is where the numbering begins. For the top level of the list, use this to determine how much of an indent the entire list will have. For the each of the succeeding levels, use the same value as you used in Numbering followed by in the level above it. Numbering followed by and Indent at are very similar. Both are the positions for text. Numbering followed by is where text begins on the first line for a given number or sub-number. Indent at is where the text begins on the succeeding lines. (You are having problems with both of these.) Of these two, Numbering followed by is the more important. That is because you need to be concerned with the difference between Numbering followed by and Aligned at. This difference is the length available for the number or sub-number. If either is longer than the allowed length, Writer begins the text at the next tab stop producing the wide tab space you notice. The default value in Numbering 1 list style for Numbering followed by is 0.5 and the Aligned at 0.25. The difference is 0.25. For the LibreOffice documents Numbering followed by is 0.51 and the Aligned at 0.39. the difference is 0.12. The reason for the slight difference is documentation tends to have longer numbers and sub-numbers (especially the latter). Here are some suggested steps that might help: 1.) For level 1, set Aligned at with what you want the left side of the list to be. Set the Numbering followed followed by next. Just make sure the difference between these two is greater than the longest level one number. Now set Indent at to be the same as Numbering followed by. 2.) For level 2 and beyond: Set Aligned at to be the same as Numbering followed by of the level above it. Set Numbering followed by to be greater than the longest sub-number for this level. Set Aligned at to equal Numbering followed by. One additional point. You probably want the difference between Numbering followed by and Aligned by to be the same for all levels. If this is the case, you need to determine what will be the largest of these values. Then use this to determine what each of the Numbering followed by should be. --Dan Thanks Dan. I really do appreciate your input and will apply that for the next time this issue applies. I must say though, that this solution you have suggested seems unnecessarily complicated. Surely there must be an easier way in terms of time and code optimisation? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list
[libreoffice-users] A (sane) way of doing bullets and numbering
Hi list One of the biggest (personal) bugbears I have with LibO (and OOo before this) is the issue of numbering and bulleting. It just seems counter-intuitive to me and is one of the very few areas where I think that MS has a better approach. I have a numbered list in a table and now I want sub-numbers, such as: 1. text text text text text 1.1. text text text text 1.2. text text text text 2. text text text text text However two things happen: (1) I have to manually play around with the sub-number positions so that there isn't (a) a large tab space between the number and the start of the text and (b) the sub-number is aligned reasonably close to the main number; and (2) the text of the sub-number (e.g. 1.1.) does not align itself to where the text for that sub-number starts. Instead, it goes all the way to align with the main number (e.g. 1.). This is difficult to reproduce using the email but basically it looks really sloppy, and I don't know how to set it up so that the numbers and sub-numbers and the associated text align in blocks. I think that there is something I might be able to do with a style page - but that seems like a lot of work just to get some numbers aligned. Any ideas/ suggestions? Thanks -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Spell check as I type enabled but no spell checking
Hello list Using LibO 3.6.2.2 on Linux Mint: I have enabled the check spelling as you type option under Tools/ Options/ Writing Aids but I can type complete gibberish and the spell checker doesn't recognise this (i.e. no red underlines). How do I fix this please? Thanks -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] [solved] Re: Spell check as I type enabled but no spell checking
I seem to have fixed this now by downloading v. 4 from the website and replacing the Linux Mint native version. The spell check is fixed. So case closed. On 08/02/13 13:23, sun shine wrote: Hello list Using LibO 3.6.2.2 on Linux Mint: I have enabled the check spelling as you type option under Tools/ Options/ Writing Aids but I can type complete gibberish and the spell checker doesn't recognise this (i.e. no red underlines). How do I fix this please? Thanks -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] [solved] Re: Spell check as I type enabled but no spell checking
Who is this idiot? Original Message Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [solved] Re: Spell check as I type enabled but no spell checking Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:44:41 +0100 From: Claude Fiefel claude.fie...@orange.fr To: sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com JE NE COMPRENDS PAS L'ANGLAIS FINISH MAILS OK Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:41, sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com mailto:phaedr...@gmail.com a écrit : I seem to have fixed this now by downloading v. 4 from the website and replacing the Linux Mint native version. The spell check is fixed. So case closed. On 08/02/13 13:23, sun shine wrote: Hello list Using LibO 3.6.2.2 on Linux Mint: I have enabled the check spelling as you type option under Tools/ Options/ Writing Aids but I can type complete gibberish and the spell checker doesn't recognise this (i.e. no red underlines). How do I fix this please? Thanks -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] [solved] Re: Spell check as I type enabled but no spell checking
On 08/02/13 14:16, Dan Lewis wrote: This is obviously a bug in the Linux Mint version. I know that earlier I had the Ubuntu version of LO 3.5.4. When I typed every word was marked as an incorrect spelling. I have no such problems with the version supplied by LibreOffice, itself. --Dan On 02/08/2013 08:52 AM, sun shine wrote: Who is this idiot? Original Message Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [solved] Re: Spell check as I type enabled but no spell checking Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:44:41 +0100 From: Claude Fiefel claude.fie...@orange.fr To: sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com JE NE COMPRENDS PAS L'ANGLAIS FINISH MAILS OK Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:41, sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com mailto:phaedr...@gmail.com a écrit : I seem to have fixed this now by downloading v. 4 from the website and replacing the Linux Mint native version. The spell check is fixed. So case closed. On 08/02/13 13:23, sun shine wrote: Hello list Using LibO 3.6.2.2 on Linux Mint: I have enabled the check spelling as you type option under Tools/ Options/ Writing Aids but I can type complete gibberish and the spell checker doesn't recognise this (i.e. no red underlines). How do I fix this please? Thanks -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Hi Dan Yeah - since Mint stems from Ubuntu, it looks as if a similar bug has carried over. Anyway, as stated - this is now solved with the fresh download of version 4.0.0.3 which so far seems to be very stable and responsive. Cheers -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
This guy is subscribed to the wrong list and then sends personal emails requesting that emails are sent in French. If anyone can write comprehensible French, please direct an email to him requesting that he unsub this list and re-sub to a French language list. On 08/02/13 14:23, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100 From: Claude Fiefel claude.fie...@orange.fr To: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish libre office ok Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com a écrit : On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote: On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote: On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a more common font used by publishing houses. I would look into changing the fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use. Is there a cross-platform font available, in both sans serif and serif styles? Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows, MacOSX, and Linux OS installs? Or are you asking if there is a font set that can be installed on them? Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the other systems. The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have installedon there. If you want your document to work on their systems, with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their documents. Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged. AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for both Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac. There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed on Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an equivalents. The key would be dealing with fonts that are already installed by others, so they do not need to install a new one. Here is a free site http://www.1001freefonts.com/ http://www.1001freefonts.com/ They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats. So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for Windows, Linux, and MacOSX. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
Or .. he is trying to unsub himself (hence finish emails - I think he wants to unsubscribe perhaps? On 08/02/13 14:23, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100 From: Claude Fiefel claude.fie...@orange.fr To: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish libre office ok Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com a écrit : On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote: On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote: On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a more common font used by publishing houses. I would look into changing the fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use. Is there a cross-platform font available, in both sans serif and serif styles? Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows, MacOSX, and Linux OS installs? Or are you asking if there is a font set that can be installed on them? Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the other systems. The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have installedon there. If you want your document to work on their systems, with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their documents. Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged. AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for both Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac. There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed on Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an equivalents. The key would be dealing with fonts that are already installed by others, so they do not need to install a new one. Here is a free site http://www.1001freefonts.com/ http://www.1001freefonts.com/ They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats. So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for Windows, Linux, and MacOSX. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
On 08/02/13 14:42, Dries Feys wrote: I'm willing to take contact with him. Can anyone give me the links to the french lists unsubscribe info? Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer On 8 February 2013 15:40, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I am not sure what the French chap was saying. Anyone know? Can anyone help? The problem for me is trying to guess which fonts other people have on their machines. I carefully installed the font called Ubuntu and it's derivatives (bold, and so on) on all my colleagues machine's and my various bosses. So it's ok for use inside our offices and for printing but when i need to send it outside it gets tricky. So i generally stick to the MS fonts that 'everyone' has for documents that are going out. It would be nice to have a slightly nicer version of some of them and the screen-fonts used in Xp and Win7 but although Tim at Kracked Press has tried to help me i still find it a bit of a pain as i have to walk around and install on each separate machine. There must be some faster route but i don't know it yet. Regards from Tom :) From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com To: LibreO - Users Global users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:23 Subject: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning Original Message Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100 From: Claude Fiefel claude.fie...@orange.fr To: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish libre office ok Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com a écrit : On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote: On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote: On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a more common font used by publishing houses. I would look into changing the fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use. Is there a cross-platform font available, in both sans serif and serif styles? Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows, MacOSX, and Linux OS installs? Or are you asking if there is a font set that can be installed on them? Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the other systems. The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have installedon there. If you want your document to work on their systems, with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their documents. Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged. AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for both Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac. There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed on Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an equivalents. The key would be dealing with fonts that are already installed by others, so they do not need to install a new one. Here is a free site http://www.1001freefonts.com/ http://www.1001freefonts.com/ They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats. So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for Windows, Linux, and MacOSX. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Dries If you can, perhaps this would be the best contact email address to pass along to Claude: discuss+subscr...@fr.libreoffice.org Here's hoping :-) Thanks -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
On 08/02/13 14:54, Tom Davies wrote: HI :) The French website is here http://fr.libreoffice.org/ and their wiki is here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page/fr but i don't understand enough to find the equivalent of this page http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Regards from Tom :) From: Dries Feys dries.f...@tvh.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com; LibreO - Users Global users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:42 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning I'm willing to take contact with him. Can anyone give me the links to the french lists unsubscribe info? Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer On 8 February 2013 15:40, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I am not sure what the French chap was saying. Anyone know? Can anyone help? The problem for me is trying to guess which fonts other people have on their machines. I carefully installed the font called Ubuntu and it's derivatives (bold, and so on) on all my colleagues machine's and my various bosses. So it's ok for use inside our offices and for printing but when i need to send it outside it gets tricky. So i generally stick to the MS fonts that 'everyone' has for documents that are going out. It would be nice to have a slightly nicer version of some of them and the screen-fonts used in Xp and Win7 but although Tim at Kracked Press has tried to help me i still find it a bit of a pain as i have to walk around and install on each separate machine. There must be some faster route but i don't know it yet. Regards from Tom :) From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com To: LibreO - Users Global users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:23 Subject: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning Original Message Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100 From: Claude Fiefel claude.fie...@orange.fr To: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish libre office ok Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com a écrit : On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote: On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote: On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a more common font used by publishing houses. I would look into changing the fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use. Is there a cross-platform font available, in both sans serif and serif styles? Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows, MacOSX, and Linux OS installs? Or are you asking if there is a font set that can be installed on them? Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the other systems. The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have installedon there. If you want your document to work on their systems, with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their documents. Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged. AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for both Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac. There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed on Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an equivalents. The key would be dealing with fonts that are already installed by others, so they do not need to install a new one. Here is a free site http://www.1001freefonts.com/ http://www.1001freefonts.com/ They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats. So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for Windows, Linux, and MacOSX. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- DISCLAIMER http://www.tvh.com/newen2/emaildisclaimer/default.html This message is
Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot Install LO 3.6.5
On 08/02/13 19:17, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's well worth trying the 4.0.0 at this point. It is waaay before i would normally try a new branch but it is well worth it. Especially if you are having trouble with the older branch. The whole point of the older branch is that it's supposed to be less hassle. So, please try the newer one and see if that works better. Sorry, that's not the answer you want and hopefully someone else can give you a better answer fairly soon but if bandwidth is not a problem and you don't have a cap then 4.0.0 is well worth trying. Regards from Tom :) From: alnuwer alnu...@cox.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 18:22 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Cannot Install LO 3.6.5 Trying to update to LibreOffice 3.6.5 on my XPpro. After install completes and I try to open it, I get a Fatal Error message that says something about Service Manager is not available - Invalid Registry Exception... and tells me to run the setup again to Repair the installation.I ran the repair, and got the same error. I then removed 3.6.5 and downloaded the .msi package again and installed it again - same error. Then ran the Repair again - same error. Then I came to this site and found a similar issue with an attempt to install a 3.5 version. The suggestion there was to do the same as I did (try a new download, but also suggested to test the .msi with something like 7-Zip to insure it isn't corrupted and that signatures are good. I did that too, and everything tested OK.Any help will be greatly appreciated! -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Cannot-Install-LO-3-6-5-tp4035690.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted I'd agree with this idea. Just upgrade to the latest and (so far!) greatest :-) Just surf onto the LibO site and it should 'automagically' recognise your machine architecture and OS. Then download the new binaries, and whilst that is happening remove the existing LibO libraries and then reinstall the new downloads. On GNU/ Linux this is so easy one can fall asleep over it; however, it may or may not be more be complicated in Windows land, so YMMV. Just follow any directions that the documentation for your OS suggestions and you cannot go wrong. V. 4.0 is very stable and as always, user-friendly. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0
On 05/02/13 12:53, Tom Davies wrote: snip Will MSO ever catch up on security or cross-platform compatibility? Regards from Tom :) Hmmm - tough one that! I'd have to say no and no :-) From: Urmas davian...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 13:42 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Chad Homan cho...@gmail.com: My question is, is LO 4.0 suppose to be the release that supports 120% of MSO97. Not yet, it does not support 100% of MS Word 2.0 (from 1992) yet. Of course it has some bells and whistles and even a couple of useful features, but still no cigar. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 4.0
On 05/02/13 14:07, Urmas wrote: Tom Davies: On the other hand MS Office still does not support many features of LibreOffice yet either. Like custom toolbar backgrounds? I think people can live without those. For example the Student's version of MSO doesn't include Publisher or Access. Why does a student need Publisher? Why does they need Access when they can have the real SQL server for free? Because many people prefer to use GUI front-ends, and why hobble a suite just for a different market? Plus their default formats ... only really work on desktop machines. Both BIFF and RTF are trivially parsed and can be used on servers as well. Except the most recent versions of MSO claim to use the pseudo-Open document format (which isn't actually compatible with odf standards) and default to the non-backwards compatible *.docx Will MSO ever catch up on security or cross-platform compatibility? There are third-party solutions which handle Office documents on mobile devices. The two only desktop platforms, Windows and MacOSX are both using MSO. What compatibility? And the other desktop platforms (such as all of the *nixes and *BSDs) don't and MS ensures that they keep their APIs a trade secret and continually code these so that they aren't even backwards compatible with their own products! Moreover, the number of cracks and security leaks associated with MSO are legendary. But, this list is not about MSO, nor even MSO bashing - which is almost too easy - so back to LibO stuff, eh? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
