Re: [libreoffice-users] Character Styles
On 04/16/2014 05:41 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Neat. I was wondering what work-around you would find. The only one i thought of was to try to remember that i would have to select an area of text to make bold instead of doing the toggling method. I think your way is better though. Thanks and regards from Tom :) I always wrestle between formatting-as-I-type and formatting-after-I-type. I think the latter method is preferred as it separates content from presentation. The writer can concentrate solely on the substance of his work and it can be formatted later. That said, I find it difficult to go back through a 30 page document and find all of the instances of something that needs to be italicized, especially with small terms, such as etc., e.g., i.e., and so on. Invariably, when I try to format after my document is written, I miss something that should be formatted a special way, such as a block quote, or emphasized text. So, in practice, I tend to format as I go, and using keyboard shortcuts speeds things immensely. I've reconfigured several of the Ctrl-Key combinations to apply some of my most used paragraph styles. I'll do just about anything to keep my fingers on the home row instead of grabbing for the mouse or touchpad. Even when selecting text, I'll use the Shift-arrow keys rather than the mouse. I find it gives more precise control. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Character Styles
On 04/16/2014 06:08 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think you have gone into quite advanced usages of styles. I won't necessarily disagree with you, but I tend to think that I'm only using LO the way it the designers intended. The character styles I'm using (Emphasis, Strong Emphasis) came with the program by default. So, some LO programmer, somewhere, anticipated that they would be used in place of Ctrl-I and Ctrl-B direct formatting. If it is advanced it is only because we have become so entrenched in using word processors like digital typewriters that we've become old dogs trying to learn new tricks. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Character Styles
Hi :) I think it's great that LibreOffice allows both systems to be used within a single document. I rarely need to completely change the entire look of any documents so direct formatting works well for me. I think this is one of those things that you can make as simple or as complex as you like. Just because a choice exists doesn't mean you have to use it. So, my use of style is very minimal but is a HUGE help that saves me often hours hours of work every time i have to import anything from certain colleagues. The only time i collaborate with others is when they give me documents for a quarterly newsletter and once i've reformatted their work i tend to never need to reformat it or make any changes at all. So the only style that really matters to me is the body text one, or the default one. The various headings help a little bit. So although styles can be far more complicated and allow much flexibility all of that is beyond my requirements. Even if i did need the more advanced stuff the biggest saving in time was with the initial paste as unformatted text and finding the text already in the format i wanted. I am glad the more complicated stuff is there so that if i ever had more advanced requirements i could upscale quite easily. However i think scaring people off by pointing out how complicated it all could be might make them miss out on the huge benefits they could get from the very simple bits of it. Oooops! sorry for ranting! I know it's not the way you meant it! Happy Easter all! :))) Regards from Tom :) On 17 April 2014 02:03, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: On 04/16/2014 04:08 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote: Interesting point, Virgil. I think we need to weak a fine line between providing a tool that we can use intelligently, and forcing people to do something they don't understand. Using styles the right way is something you have to be educated about. Like you, I started by getting the idea that I could change styles throughout the document if I used them consistently. But it took longer for me to really appreciate the need to do functional style definitions. Any character can be bold for a variety of reasons, and the key is to create and use styles based on the function of that element in a document. That way, you can change a subset of all of the bold characters without changing others. But that requires starting to really think about the architecture of your information. Regards, Good points, Kevin. I'm learning that using styles takes a lot of thought and planning. I like the way I can customize LO to make it do amazing things. But, it can't be done thoughtlessly, or you'll end up redoing stuff later on. It occurs to me that, when we create style definitions, what we're really doing is making LO work more like LyX. The difference is that, with LyX, somebody else has already created really good styles (called environments) thus shielding the user from the need to create them. Problem is, when the pre-created environments don't meet your needs, you have a steep learning curve to try to change them. With LO, you can much more easily create and modify styles, but, if you want really good output, you *have* to create and modify your styles, and that takes thoughtful planning. For a person just wanting to get his project done, the need to create and customize the styles seems to get in the way. It's as if each user is actually finishing LO by making it work the way s/he prefers. In creating my LO styles, I've tried to use LyX environments as a model, mimicking their output, and tweaking where I find it helpful. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Character Styles
The problem with mixing direct formatting and styles is that you usually discover you should have used styles after the document is done and you need to make changes. Our ability to foresee the future is often very limited.I often get asked by someone how to fix something in a long (e.g. 600 page) document without having to crawl through the entire document page by page. My answer is that I can help you not have this problem in the future, but for now it is going to be tricky if not impossible. Regards, On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) I think it's great that LibreOffice allows both systems to be used within a single document. I rarely need to completely change the entire look of any documents so direct formatting works well for me. I think this is one of those things that you can make as simple or as complex as you like. Just because a choice exists doesn't mean you have to use it. So, my use of style is very minimal but is a HUGE help that saves me often hours hours of work every time i have to import anything from certain colleagues. The only time i collaborate with others is when they give me documents for a quarterly newsletter and once i've reformatted their work i tend to never need to reformat it or make any changes at all. So the only style that really matters to me is the body text one, or the default one. The various headings help a little bit. So although styles can be far more complicated and allow much flexibility all of that is beyond my requirements. Even if i did need the more advanced stuff the biggest saving in time was with the initial paste as unformatted text and finding the text already in the format i wanted. I am glad the more complicated stuff is there so that if i ever had more advanced requirements i could upscale quite easily. However i think scaring people off by pointing out how complicated it all could be might make them miss out on the huge benefits they could get from the very simple bits of it. Oooops! sorry for ranting! I know it's not the way you meant it! Happy Easter all! :))) Regards from Tom :) On 17 April 2014 02:03, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: On 04/16/2014 04:08 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote: Interesting point, Virgil. I think we need to weak a fine line between providing a tool that we can use intelligently, and forcing people to do something they don't understand. Using styles the right way is something you have to be educated about. Like you, I started by getting the idea that I could change styles throughout the document if I used them consistently. But it took longer for me to really appreciate the need to do functional style definitions. Any character can be bold for a variety of reasons, and the key is to create and use styles based on the function of that element in a document. That way, you can change a subset of all of the bold characters without changing others. But that requires starting to really think about the architecture of your information. Regards, Good points, Kevin. I'm learning that using styles takes a lot of thought and planning. I like the way I can customize LO to make it do amazing things. But, it can't be done thoughtlessly, or you'll end up redoing stuff later on. It occurs to me that, when we create style definitions, what we're really doing is making LO work more like LyX. The difference is that, with LyX, somebody else has already created really good styles (called environments) thus shielding the user from the need to create them. Problem is, when the pre-created environments don't meet your needs, you have a steep learning curve to try to change them. With LO, you can much more easily create and modify styles, but, if you want really good output, you *have* to create and modify your styles, and that takes thoughtful planning. For a person just wanting to get his project done, the need to create and customize the styles seems to get in the way. It's as if each user is actually finishing LO by making it work the way s/he prefers. In creating my LO styles, I've tried to use LyX environments as a model, mimicking their output, and tweaking where I find it helpful. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and
Re: [libreoffice-users] Character Styles
Hi :) +1 That is true. However i rarely need to do more than correct tpyos or sepling mistooks or maybe reword something. Luckily i don't have to collaborate with other people much either (apart from them sending me hideously malformed MS documents and me pasting their article into 'my' Odt newsletter). I suspect a lot of people are in a similar position to me but of course a lot are in a similar position to you and also a lot similar to Virgil too. Regards from Tom :) On 17 April 2014 18:20, Kevin O'Brien zwiln...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with mixing direct formatting and styles is that you usually discover you should have used styles after the document is done and you need to make changes. Our ability to foresee the future is often very limited.I often get asked by someone how to fix something in a long (e.g. 600 page) document without having to crawl through the entire document page by page. My answer is that I can help you not have this problem in the future, but for now it is going to be tricky if not impossible. Regards, On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) I think it's great that LibreOffice allows both systems to be used within a single document. I rarely need to completely change the entire look of any documents so direct formatting works well for me. I think this is one of those things that you can make as simple or as complex as you like. Just because a choice exists doesn't mean you have to use it. So, my use of style is very minimal but is a HUGE help that saves me often hours hours of work every time i have to import anything from certain colleagues. The only time i collaborate with others is when they give me documents for a quarterly newsletter and once i've reformatted their work i tend to never need to reformat it or make any changes at all. So the only style that really matters to me is the body text one, or the default one. The various headings help a little bit. So although styles can be far more complicated and allow much flexibility all of that is beyond my requirements. Even if i did need the more advanced stuff the biggest saving in time was with the initial paste as unformatted text and finding the text already in the format i wanted. I am glad the more complicated stuff is there so that if i ever had more advanced requirements i could upscale quite easily. However i think scaring people off by pointing out how complicated it all could be might make them miss out on the huge benefits they could get from the very simple bits of it. Oooops! sorry for ranting! I know it's not the way you meant it! Happy Easter all! :))) Regards from Tom :) On 17 April 2014 02:03, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: On 04/16/2014 04:08 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote: Interesting point, Virgil. I think we need to weak a fine line between providing a tool that we can use intelligently, and forcing people to do something they don't understand. Using styles the right way is something you have to be educated about. Like you, I started by getting the idea that I could change styles throughout the document if I used them consistently. But it took longer for me to really appreciate the need to do functional style definitions. Any character can be bold for a variety of reasons, and the key is to create and use styles based on the function of that element in a document. That way, you can change a subset of all of the bold characters without changing others. But that requires starting to really think about the architecture of your information. Regards, Good points, Kevin. I'm learning that using styles takes a lot of thought and planning. I like the way I can customize LO to make it do amazing things. But, it can't be done thoughtlessly, or you'll end up redoing stuff later on. It occurs to me that, when we create style definitions, what we're really doing is making LO work more like LyX. The difference is that, with LyX, somebody else has already created really good styles (called environments) thus shielding the user from the need to create them. Problem is, when the pre-created environments don't meet your needs, you have a steep learning curve to try to change them. With LO, you can much more easily create and modify styles, but, if you want really good output, you *have* to create and modify your styles, and that takes thoughtful planning. For a person just wanting to get his project done, the need to create and customize the styles seems to get in the way. It's as if each user is actually finishing LO by making it work the way s/he prefers. In creating my LO styles, I've tried to use LyX environments as a model, mimicking their output, and tweaking where I find it helpful. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] Character Styles
Interesting point, Virgil. I think we need to weak a fine line between providing a tool that we can use intelligently, and forcing people to do something they don't understand. Using styles the right way is something you have to be educated about. Like you, I started by getting the idea that I could change styles throughout the document if I used them consistently. But it took longer for me to really appreciate the need to do functional style definitions. Any character can be bold for a variety of reasons, and the key is to create and use styles based on the function of that element in a document. That way, you can change a subset of all of the bold characters without changing others. But that requires starting to really think about the architecture of your information. Regards, On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I've discovered another neat reason to use character styles instead of direct character formatting. We've already discussed the advantage of changing character formatting document-wide by just changing the style. I've always used Ctrl-B for boldface and Ctrl-I for Italics in providing direct character formatting to my text. I didn't want to be bothered by character styles. But, on occasion, I want to clean up a document by removing direct paragraph formatting (Ctrl-M). When I do that, it clears *all* direct formatting, whether paragraph or character, so I end up losing all my bold and italics. But, I've now learned to use the character styles Emphasis for Italics and Strong Emphasis for boldface instead of the direct bold and Italics commands. Then when I hit Ctrl-M to clean up formatting, then my boldface and Italics are preserved, because they are controlled by character styles rather than direct formatting. This has been a major change in the way I've worked over the years, but I think as I get used to it, I'll really like it and the greater control I'll get over my work. What's interesting is that this is the way LaTeX editors like LyX work by default. It's second nature in LyX, because that's the *only* way it works. But because of LO's open model (a billion ways of accomplishing the same task), I've had to adjust how I work with the office suite. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Kevin B. O'Brien zwiln...@gmail.com http://google.me/+kevinobrien Facebook is Evil. Cancel your account. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Character Styles
Hi :) Nice! :) I wonder if you can reconfigure the Ctrl B combo to apply the relevant style instead of just making it bold temporarily? Regards from Tom :) On 16 April 2014 19:06, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I've discovered another neat reason to use character styles instead of direct character formatting. We've already discussed the advantage of changing character formatting document-wide by just changing the style. I've always used Ctrl-B for boldface and Ctrl-I for Italics in providing direct character formatting to my text. I didn't want to be bothered by character styles. But, on occasion, I want to clean up a document by removing direct paragraph formatting (Ctrl-M). When I do that, it clears *all* direct formatting, whether paragraph or character, so I end up losing all my bold and italics. But, I've now learned to use the character styles Emphasis for Italics and Strong Emphasis for boldface instead of the direct bold and Italics commands. Then when I hit Ctrl-M to clean up formatting, then my boldface and Italics are preserved, because they are controlled by character styles rather than direct formatting. This has been a major change in the way I've worked over the years, but I think as I get used to it, I'll really like it and the greater control I'll get over my work. What's interesting is that this is the way LaTeX editors like LyX work by default. It's second nature in LyX, because that's the *only* way it works. But because of LO's open model (a billion ways of accomplishing the same task), I've had to adjust how I work with the office suite. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Character Styles
On 04/16/2014 03:19 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Nice! :) I wonder if you can reconfigure the Ctrl B combo to apply the relevant style instead of just making it bold temporarily? Regards from Tom :) Yes, you can, but I found you don't want to. In the Tools/Customize dialogs, you can assign any style to a keystroke combination. I tried it by reassigning Ctrl-B to the Strong Emphasis character style and Ctrl-I to the Emphasis style. But, unlike the direct formatting commands, these don't *toggle* the attribute. So, if while typing, I hit Ctrl-B, then everything after it applies the Strong Emphasis character style. If I hit Ctrl-B again, it *doesn't* turn it off. So, I reassigned those keystrokes to their toggled effects. Instead, I assigned Alt-B and Alt-I to the respective character styles. Then, I assigned Alt-D to the Default character style. Now, I can apply the desired style quickly while typing without altering the default behavior of the program for those times when I might need it. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Character Styles
Hi :) I think you have gone into quite advanced usages of styles. To start with i kept it extremely simple and mixed in some direct formatting too. It took a while to get used to direct formatting too but that was so long ago now that it's difficult to remember. Most of my colleagues don't know key-combos such as Ctrl B. They reach for the mouse. Even so people sometimes don't realise those are toggle-switches and tend to select an area of text and 'have' to be taught that they don't need to. [Grrr, taught bad habits iow] Regards from Tom :) On 16 April 2014 21:08, Kevin O'Brien zwiln...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Virgil. I think we need to weak a fine line between providing a tool that we can use intelligently, and forcing people to do something they don't understand. Using styles the right way is something you have to be educated about. Like you, I started by getting the idea that I could change styles throughout the document if I used them consistently. But it took longer for me to really appreciate the need to do functional style definitions. Any character can be bold for a variety of reasons, and the key is to create and use styles based on the function of that element in a document. That way, you can change a subset of all of the bold characters without changing others. But that requires starting to really think about the architecture of your information. Regards, On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I've discovered another neat reason to use character styles instead of direct character formatting. We've already discussed the advantage of changing character formatting document-wide by just changing the style. I've always used Ctrl-B for boldface and Ctrl-I for Italics in providing direct character formatting to my text. I didn't want to be bothered by character styles. But, on occasion, I want to clean up a document by removing direct paragraph formatting (Ctrl-M). When I do that, it clears *all* direct formatting, whether paragraph or character, so I end up losing all my bold and italics. But, I've now learned to use the character styles Emphasis for Italics and Strong Emphasis for boldface instead of the direct bold and Italics commands. Then when I hit Ctrl-M to clean up formatting, then my boldface and Italics are preserved, because they are controlled by character styles rather than direct formatting. This has been a major change in the way I've worked over the years, but I think as I get used to it, I'll really like it and the greater control I'll get over my work. What's interesting is that this is the way LaTeX editors like LyX work by default. It's second nature in LyX, because that's the *only* way it works. But because of LO's open model (a billion ways of accomplishing the same task), I've had to adjust how I work with the office suite. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Kevin B. O'Brien zwiln...@gmail.com http://google.me/+kevinobrien Facebook is Evil. Cancel your account. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Character Styles
On 04/16/2014 04:08 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote: Interesting point, Virgil. I think we need to weak a fine line between providing a tool that we can use intelligently, and forcing people to do something they don't understand. Using styles the right way is something you have to be educated about. Like you, I started by getting the idea that I could change styles throughout the document if I used them consistently. But it took longer for me to really appreciate the need to do functional style definitions. Any character can be bold for a variety of reasons, and the key is to create and use styles based on the function of that element in a document. That way, you can change a subset of all of the bold characters without changing others. But that requires starting to really think about the architecture of your information. Regards, Good points, Kevin. I'm learning that using styles takes a lot of thought and planning. I like the way I can customize LO to make it do amazing things. But, it can't be done thoughtlessly, or you'll end up redoing stuff later on. It occurs to me that, when we create style definitions, what we're really doing is making LO work more like LyX. The difference is that, with LyX, somebody else has already created really good styles (called environments) thus shielding the user from the need to create them. Problem is, when the pre-created environments don't meet your needs, you have a steep learning curve to try to change them. With LO, you can much more easily create and modify styles, but, if you want really good output, you *have* to create and modify your styles, and that takes thoughtful planning. For a person just wanting to get his project done, the need to create and customize the styles seems to get in the way. It's as if each user is actually finishing LO by making it work the way s/he prefers. In creating my LO styles, I've tried to use LyX environments as a model, mimicking their output, and tweaking where I find it helpful. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Character Styles
Hi :) Neat. I was wondering what work-around you would find. The only one i thought of was to try to remember that i would have to select an area of text to make bold instead of doing the toggling method. I think your way is better though. Thanks and regards from Tom :) On 16 April 2014 22:29, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: On 04/16/2014 03:19 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Nice! :) I wonder if you can reconfigure the Ctrl B combo to apply the relevant style instead of just making it bold temporarily? Regards from Tom :) Yes, you can, but I found you don't want to. In the Tools/Customize dialogs, you can assign any style to a keystroke combination. I tried it by reassigning Ctrl-B to the Strong Emphasis character style and Ctrl-I to the Emphasis style. But, unlike the direct formatting commands, these don't *toggle* the attribute. So, if while typing, I hit Ctrl-B, then everything after it applies the Strong Emphasis character style. If I hit Ctrl-B again, it *doesn't* turn it off. So, I reassigned those keystrokes to their toggled effects. Instead, I assigned Alt-B and Alt-I to the respective character styles. Then, I assigned Alt-D to the Default character style. Now, I can apply the desired style quickly while typing without altering the default behavior of the program for those times when I might need it. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
