subject:"Re\: \[libreoffice\-users\] DocX"

Hi :)
You would probably find the same thing happen in other versions of MS Office.  

The DocX format keeps changing in each different version of MS Office and 
possibly on different versions of Windows.  So a DocX made with 2007 on Xp 
might look quite different in MS Office 2010 on Win7.  

However if you can correct the error in the document and then save it as a Doc 
then everyone sees it very much the same regardless of operating system or 
program used to open the file.  Even saving it back as a DocX sometimes works 
but it's usually best to stick with Doc.  

File - Save As ...  - MS Word (98, 2000, Xp, 2003)

something like that.  

Similarly if you can get MS Office users to use Save As and use the older 
formats then you will find those documents open better on LibreOffice too.  
Sadly many MS Office users seem to  have no idea how to do something as 
'complicated' as that!  

Do you happen to know which version of MS Office they are using?  If they are 
using 2007, 2010, 2013 or 365 then they can open documents you send them in Odt 
format.  With 2010 or 2007 they probably can't open Ods files in Excel but 2013 
and 365 can.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  





 From: Satish Srivastava satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 16:23
Subject: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer
 

Dear Friends,

I am facing a issue in open office migration from microsoft office.
when i am trying to open .docx file it is opening but header 
format disturb means not properly. So please give any solution
for this.



Thanks  regards
Satish

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer

2013-08-26 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


To restate Tom's info

If you save a .docx file using MSO 2013, it most likely will not read
properly in MSO 2010 or 2007.  This will happen more often as the
document becomes more complex.

I always tell my MSO users that if you want to make sure all of the
different versions of MSO can read your documents, you must use the
non-OOXML formats, like .doc. 

I never had any trouble with MSO documents that were in the pre-2007
formats.  The only thing that the OOXML formats do you the user is to
reduce the size of the documents, in many cases. 

AS for getting them to use ODF formats, well, if you get them to use
.doc instead of .odt, then you have won a big battle.  LO/Writer, and
the other Open Source office packages out there, can easily use the .doc
formatted documents with very little issues cropping up.  I personally
never had a problem with any .doc documents with Writer.


On 08/26/2013 11:49 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 You would probably find the same thing happen in other versions of MS Office. 
  

 The DocX format keeps changing in each different version of MS Office and 
 possibly on different versions of Windows.  So a DocX made with 2007 on Xp 
 might look quite different in MS Office 2010 on Win7.  

 However if you can correct the error in the document and then save it as a 
 Doc then everyone sees it very much the same regardless of operating system 
 or program used to open the file.  Even saving it back as a DocX sometimes 
 works but it's usually best to stick with Doc.  

 File - Save As ...  - MS Word (98, 2000, Xp, 2003)

 something like that.  

 Similarly if you can get MS Office users to use Save As and use the older 
 formats then you will find those documents open better on LibreOffice too.  
 Sadly many MS Office users seem to  have no idea how to do something as 
 'complicated' as that!  

 Do you happen to know which version of MS Office they are using?  If they are 
 using 2007, 2010, 2013 or 365 then they can open documents you send them in 
 Odt format.  With 2010 or 2007 they probably can't open Ods files in Excel 
 but 2013 and 365 can.  

 Regards from 
 Tom :)  




 
  From: Satish Srivastava satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
 Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 16:23
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 
 Writer
  

 Dear Friends,

 I am facing a issue in open office migration from microsoft office.
 when i am trying to open .docx file it is opening but header 
 format disturb means not properly. So please give any solution
 for this.



 Thanks  regards
 Satish



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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer

2013-08-26 Thread saraysri .

On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:


 To restate Tom's info

 If you save a .docx file using MSO 2013, it most likely will not read
 properly in MSO 2010 or 2007.  This will happen more often as the
 document becomes more complex.

 I always tell my MSO users that if you want to make sure all of the
 different versions of MSO can read your documents, you must use the
 non-OOXML formats, like .doc.

 I never had any trouble with MSO documents that were in the pre-2007
 formats.  The only thing that the OOXML formats do you the user is to
 reduce the size of the documents, in many cases.

 AS for getting them to use ODF formats, well, if you get them to use
 .doc instead of .odt, then you have won a big battle.  LO/Writer, and
 the other Open Source office packages out there, can easily use the .doc
 formatted documents with very little issues cropping up.  I personally
 never had a problem with any .doc documents with Writer.
 But right now i am migrating Microsoft office to open office in my office.

 So please give me solution for this because users have multiple fils. they
can not save as all files in .doc formats.



 On 08/26/2013 11:49 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
  Hi :)
  You would probably find the same thing happen in other versions of MS
 Office.
 
  The DocX format keeps changing in each different version of MS Office
 and possibly on different versions of Windows.  So a DocX made with 2007 on
 Xp might look quite different in MS Office 2010 on Win7.
 
  However if you can correct the error in the document and then save it as
 a Doc then everyone sees it very much the same regardless of operating
 system or program used to open the file.  Even saving it back as a DocX
 sometimes works but it's usually best to stick with Doc.
 
  File - Save As ...  - MS Word (98, 2000, Xp, 2003)
 
  something like that.
 
  Similarly if you can get MS Office users to use Save As and use the
 older formats then you will find those documents open better on LibreOffice
 too.  Sadly many MS Office users seem to  have no idea how to do something
 as 'complicated' as that!
 
  Do you happen to know which version of MS Office they are using?  If
 they are using 2007, 2010, 2013 or 365 then they can open documents you
 send them in Odt format.  With 2010 or 2007 they probably can't open Ods
 files in Excel but 2013 and 365 can.
 
  Regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
 
 
  
   From: Satish Srivastava satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 16:23
  Subject: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice
 4.0 Writer
 
 
  Dear Friends,
 
  I am facing a issue in open office migration from microsoft office.
  when i am trying to open .docx file it is opening but header 
  format disturb means not properly. So please give any solution
  for this.
 
 
 
  Thanks  regards
  Satish
 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer

Hi :)
Backwards incompatibility is not a huge surprise.  There is always a chance 
that some complex thing got inserted even though it probably didn't get used it 
might still be hidden in the document's coding.  

What surprises me is that documents created in an earlier version of MS Office 
apparently quite often have problems opening in later versions of MS Office.  
MS has all the specs and knows how it all fit together in 2007 so why wouldn't 
those documents open properly in 2010 or 2013?  MS do have disclaimers and 
people are quite happy with those problems.  If a different program has the 
same problem they use that as a reason why you shouldn't be using non-MS stuff. 
 There is a certain amount of hypocrisy that goes on without them even being 
aware of what they are saying.  

My boss is a bit anxious about us getting a few versions of MS Office 2013 for 
just a few machines for training purposes.  He wants everyone to use the same 
version of MS Office as each other precisely to avoid these sorts of problems.  
So, if we talk about buying 2013 for 1 machine he interprets that as having to 
buy for all the machines.  Otherwise incompatibilities happen.  

Regards from
Tom :)  





 From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 17:08
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 
Writer
 


To restate Tom's info

If you save a .docx file using MSO 2013, it most likely will not read
properly in MSO 2010 or 2007.  This will happen more often as the
document becomes more complex.

I always tell my MSO users that if you want to make sure all of the
different versions of MSO can read your documents, you must use the
non-OOXML formats, like .doc. 

I never had any trouble with MSO documents that were in the pre-2007
formats.  The only thing that the OOXML formats do you the user is to
reduce the size of the documents, in many cases. 

AS for getting them to use ODF formats, well, if you get them to use
.doc instead of .odt, then you have won a big battle.  LO/Writer, and
the other Open Source office packages out there, can easily use the .doc
formatted documents with very little issues cropping up.  I personally
never had a problem with any .doc documents with Writer.


On 08/26/2013 11:49 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 You would probably find the same thing happen in other versions of MS Office. 
  

 The DocX format keeps changing in each different version of MS Office and 
 possibly on different versions of Windows.  So a DocX made with 2007 on Xp 
 might look quite different in MS Office 2010 on Win7.  

 However if you can correct the error in the document and then save it as a 
 Doc then everyone sees it very much the same regardless of operating system 
 or program used to open the file.  Even saving it back as a DocX sometimes 
 works but it's usually best to stick with Doc.  

 File - Save As ...  - MS Word (98, 2000, Xp, 2003)

 something like that.  

 Similarly if you can get MS Office users to use Save As and use the older 
 formats then you will find those documents open better on LibreOffice too.  
 Sadly many MS Office users seem to  have no idea how to do something as 
 'complicated' as that!  

 Do you happen to know which version of MS Office they are using?  If they are 
 using 2007, 2010, 2013 or 365 then they can open documents you send them in 
 Odt format.  With 2010 or 2007 they probably can't open Ods files in Excel 
 but 2013 and 365 can.  

 Regards from 
 Tom :)  




 
  From: Satish Srivastava satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
 Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 16:23
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 
 Writer
  

 Dear Friends,

 I am facing a issue in open office migration from microsoft office.
 when i am trying to open .docx file it is opening but header 
 format disturb means not properly. So please give any solution
 for this.



 Thanks  regards
 Satish



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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer

2013-08-26 Thread Mirosław Zalewski

On 26/08/2013 at 17:23, Satish Srivastava 
satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com wrote:

 So please give any solution for this.

There are three possible solutions:
- create good bug report (providing example file and image showing how it 
should look like) and hope it will get fixed in future version
- hire someone to fix this issue, provide patched binary for you and send code 
back to LibreOffice repository (so you will get it automatically on updates)
- if you are using old version (like 3.6 or earlier), try upgrading. 
Especially 4.1 promises hundreds of fixes on foreign filetypes import. But I 
would not dare to use 4.1 on production environment yet (I would wait until at 
least 4.1.4). It is possible that 4.1 fixes your issue, but in exchange for 
some minor annoyances here and there.

By the way, each time I read such questions, I wonder what is in mind of 
people asking them. That there is some kind of checkbox labeled make DOCX 
files look like shit somewhere in settings, that is turned ON by default?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer

Hi :)
I would definitely prefer that people do ask us so that they can get the truth 
of it and then maybe test what we say to confirm it.  

The other option is to ask MS why and their answer will be that they have to 
buy their latest version of their MS Office and then put up with people who are 
too cheap-skate to buy the newest one too.  The other piece of advice they 
will give is to never use anything that is non-MS.  

That whole attitude is one reason i wanted to get away from the MS world in the 
first place.  They have a vested interest in making people feel guilty for not 
buying their latest and upgrading everything all the time at considerable 
expense.  If all hardware and software really needs to be upgrade every 3-4 
years then how come satellites, marine bouys and other stuff that is tough to 
reach can keep on working for decades.  

One nice thing about LibreOffice is that you can upgrade for free, except the 
cost of the internet connection.  The 4.1.0 is fine on most machines.  We 
haven't had many reports of problems with it really but i would still tend to 
go with the 4.0.5 because that 3rd digit, the .5, is roughly the equivalent of 
Service Pack 5.  The 4.1.0 has no service packs.  The 4.1.1 has 1.  So the 
4.0.5 is more stable and less likely to have unpleasant unexpected surprises.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  





 From: Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 18:34
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 
Writer
 

On 26/08/2013 at 17:23, Satish Srivastava 
satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com wrote:

 So please give any solution for this.

There are three possible solutions:
- create good bug report (providing example file and image showing how it 
should look like) and hope it will get fixed in future version
- hire someone to fix this issue, provide patched binary for you and send code 
back to LibreOffice repository (so you will get it automatically on updates)
- if you are using old version (like 3.6 or earlier), try upgrading. 
Especially 4.1 promises hundreds of fixes on foreign filetypes import. But I 
would not dare to use 4.1 on production environment yet (I would wait until at 
least 4.1.4). It is possible that 4.1 fixes your issue, but in exchange for 
some minor annoyances here and there.

By the way, each time I read such questions, I wonder what is in mind of 
people asking them. That there is some kind of checkbox labeled make DOCX 
files look like shit somewhere in settings, that is turned ON by default?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer

2013-08-26 Thread Tanstaafl


On 2013-08-26 12:49 PM, saraysri . satishsrivasta...@gmail.com wrote:

So please give me solution for this because users have multiple fils. they
can not save as all files in .doc formats.


Have everyone buy Microsoft Office 2013.

Seriously. This is the only real 'solution' that you can implement right 
now.


As has been pointed out, even older versions of Microsoft's own software 
has trouble with the newer file formats between the different versions...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer

2013-08-26 Thread Jay Lozier

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:42:32 -0400, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org  
wrote:



On 2013-08-26 12:49 PM, saraysri . satishsrivasta...@gmail.com wrote:
So please give me solution for this because users have multiple fils.  
they

can not save as all files in .doc formats.


Have everyone buy Microsoft Office 2013.

Seriously. This is the only real 'solution' that you can implement right  
now.


As has been pointed out, even older versions of Microsoft's own software  
has trouble with the newer file formats between the different versions...




Or refuse to buy or use any version of MSO until MS correctly uses odf  
formats as default formats.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer

2013-08-26 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker

On 26/08/13 21:37, Jay Lozier wrote:


 Or refuse to buy or use any version of MSO until MS correctly uses odf
 formats as default formats.

Certainly in Office 2010 you have the option to set ODF as the default
document type, and I believe that in Office 2013/365 they've fixed the
ODSExcel bug of displaying values instead of formulae..

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer

Hi :)
MS Office 2010 and earlier used a bad implementation of an old version of the 
ODF formats which meant that Word/Writer was fine but Calc/Excel lost all the 
formulas and just gave fixed values instead.  They were able to give a 
reasonable excuse for shunning the ODF 1.2 that everyone else was using quite 
happily at the time.  

MSO 2013 and 365 now uses the same ODF as everyone else since ODF 1.2 finally 
got officially released a couple of years previous to that.  Plus they fixed 
their implementation so it now  allows formulas in spreadsheets.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





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To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 21:39
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 
Writer
 

On 26/08/13 21:37, Jay Lozier wrote:


 Or refuse to buy or use any version of MSO until MS correctly uses odf
 formats as default formats.

Certainly in Office 2010 you have the option to set ODF as the default
document type, and I believe that in Office 2013/365 they've fixed the
ODSExcel bug of displaying values instead of formulae..

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer

Hi :)
Accidents happen.  I thought it was fairly easy to tell who said what just by 
the different word-usage and sentence structure.  So, no need to fret.  

The 
odf-converter-integrator 
sounds like a good idea but with a 3rd party tool you have got to wonder who 
makes it and what their 'hidden' objective might be.  Mention of Novell makes 
me wonder if MS are behind it.  MS are not hugely in favour of LibreOffice.  
Back when i actually believed in MS i would have tried it too but they let me 
down too many times and i began to find a pattern in that.  Turns out they are 
primarily a profit-making organisation  rather than really being philanthropic!

Any chance of trying the original DocX and just open that in LibreOffice 
without trying to convert it or do anything else to it?  
Regards from
Tom :)  





 From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 21:20
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 
Writer
 

Please learn how to quote/reply...

Your reply was indistinguishable from the quoted text (of mine)...

On 2013-08-26 3:49 PM, Satish Srivastava 
satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.orgwrote:

 On 2013-08-26 12:49 PM, saraysri . satishsrivasta...@gmail.com wrote:

 So please give me solution for this because users have multiple fils. they
 can not save as all files in .doc formats.

 Have everyone buy Microsoft Office 2013.

 Seriously. This is the only real 'solution' that you can implement right
 now.

 As has been pointed out, even older versions of Microsoft's own software
 has trouble with the newer file formats between the different versions...

 No dear we never go with microsoft. I got a beautiful open source tool
 when you install this tool in your system it automatically detect our
 target file(docx)  when you open this it convert open office format(odt).
 The tool name is odf-converter-integrater.

 open source have biggest power just trust them.

Yeah, right...

You were asking for a *solution* for *badly translated* documents.

odf-converter-integrator will absolutely produce *badly 
translated/converted documents*.

Again... the *only* way to guarantee that documents open and look the 
same is if everyone in the loop is one the exact same version of the 
exact same software.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Docx export issues

2013-04-08 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
Try using the older Doc instead of the DocX.  DocX is very variable even 
between different versions of MS Office and between those different versions on 
different Operating Systems.  

Pretty much all Doc files (for MS Office 97, 2000, Xp, 2003) look fine in just 
about any word-processor.  It would be helpful if MS Office users could save as 
 the older format when they want to share with other people too.  

Another suggestion for them is to get up-to-date and install LibreOffice 
themselves alongside their MS Office as it is far superior in many way.  They 
can have both on their machines and that will also allow them to easily read a 
much wider range of formats more easily.  Having both LibreOffice and MS Office 
on the same machine makes a lot of sense nowadays.  Writer is more of a proper 
desktop publishing package than Word and even beats Publisher sometimes.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  








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To: LibreOffice Users Help users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 8 April 2013, 15:57
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Docx export issues
 
Hi, I'm using libreoffice 4.0.2 and I'm receiving complaints from Word
2007 users about wrongly placed images in my documents, but they look
ok in Libreoffice's Write. Are there some guidelines I can follow to
avoid problems between Libreoffice Write and Word .docx documents
containing images?. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Docx export issues

2013-04-08 Thread Leonardo M . Ramé

On 2013-04-08 17:05:56 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Try using the older Doc instead of the DocX.  DocX is very variable even 
 between different versions of MS Office and between those different versions 
 on different Operating Systems.  
 
 Pretty much all Doc files (for MS Office 97, 2000, Xp, 2003) look fine in 
 just about any word-processor.  It would be helpful if MS Office users could 
 save as  the older format when they want to share with other people too.  
 
 Another suggestion for them is to get up-to-date and install LibreOffice 
 themselves alongside their MS Office as it is far superior in many way.  They 
 can have both on their machines and that will also allow them to easily read 
 a much wider range of formats more easily.  Having both LibreOffice and MS 
 Office on the same machine makes a lot of sense nowadays.  Writer is more of 
 a proper desktop publishing package than Word and even beats Publisher 
 sometimes.  
 
 Regards from 
 Tom :)  
 
 
  From: Leonardo M. Ramé l.r...@griensu.com
 To: LibreOffice Users Help users@global.libreoffice.org 
 Sent: Monday, 8 April 2013, 15:57
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Docx export issues
  
 Hi, I'm using libreoffice 4.0.2 and I'm receiving complaints from Word
 2007 users about wrongly placed images in my documents, but they look
 ok in Libreoffice's Write. Are there some guidelines I can follow to
 avoid problems between Libreoffice Write and Word .docx documents
 containing images?. 
 

Thanks Tom, I'll try with the old .doc format.

Regarding your suggestion, I'll ask them if the can install LibreOffice.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening correctly

2013-02-20 Thread e-letter

On 19/02/2013, upscope upsc...@nwi.net wrote:

 Both of the above LO versions have the problem. I can open a .docx document
 if
 it is all text with no problems. If the document like a new letter I get in

 .docx format is opened the graphics are missing, or partically there or off

 set from where they should be.


Tell the source to re-send in odt format, or use google docs to view.

 I even created a new user and logged in as him, then using SUSE version of
 LO4.0.0.3 tried the same document with the same results. Also I just took a

 copy of a news letter I am getting ready to send out ( generated in .odf
 format) and saved it as a .docx document. the formating was totally messed
 up
 and graphics were messed up also (graphics in wrong place, text in wrong
 place
 probably caused by graphics being wrong, some graphics just plain blank box,


Good. You should be sending the newsletter in odt format; most modern
software can view it, otherwise pdf/html should be used.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening correctly

2013-02-20 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
DocX is really bad for sharing with people unless you be be fairly certain they 
are using the same version of MS Office on the same version of Windows.  

The older MS format, Doc for 97/2000/Xp/2003 is still currently the best format 
for sharing files.  

Odt is becoming more widely used but the only version of MS Office that can 
really handle it is MS Office 2013.  The 2007 and 2010 attempt to implement Odf 
was a bit sub-optimal.  
Regards from
Tom :) 






 From: e-letter inp...@gmail.com
To: upscope upsc...@nwi.net 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013, 10:14
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening 
correctly
 
On 19/02/2013, upscope upsc...@nwi.net wrote:

 Both of the above LO versions have the problem. I can open a .docx document
 if
 it is all text with no problems. If the document like a new letter I get in

 .docx format is opened the graphics are missing, or partically there or off

 set from where they should be.


Tell the source to re-send in odt format, or use google docs to view.

 I even created a new user and logged in as him, then using SUSE version of
 LO4.0.0.3 tried the same document with the same results. Also I just took a

 copy of a news letter I am getting ready to send out ( generated in .odf
 format) and saved it as a .docx document. the formating was totally messed
 up
 and graphics were messed up also (graphics in wrong place, text in wrong
 place
 probably caused by graphics being wrong, some graphics just plain blank box,


Good. You should be sending the newsletter in odt format; most modern
software can view it, otherwise pdf/html should be used.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening correctly

On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:14:21 PM e-letter wrote:
 On 19/02/2013, upscope upsc...@nwi.net wrote:
  Both of the above LO versions have the problem. I can open a .docx
  document
  if
  it is all text with no problems. If the document like a new letter I get
  in
  
  .docx format is opened the graphics are missing, or partically there or
  off
  
  set from where they should be.
 
 Tell the source to re-send in odt format, or use google docs to view.
Sources are multiple and all use Win 7 or 8 and versions of MSoffice. Not sure 
they can send a proper .odt document.
  I even created a new user and logged in as him, then using SUSE version of
  LO4.0.0.3 tried the same document with the same results. Also I just took
 Good. You should be sending the newsletter in odt format; most modern
 software can view it, otherwise pdf/html should be used.
news letter I send is usually sent as .pdf, so people do not have problem with 
them. Its the inbount newletters and other documents they send as .docx that 
are the problem. Most of the users send me data have no Idea how to convert a 
document of any type. They just use office in it default document type.

Thanks for the response. 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening correctly

On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:45:19 AM Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 DocX is really bad for sharing with people unless you be be fairly certain
 they are using the same version of MS Office on the same version of
 Windows. 
 
 The older MS format, Doc for 97/2000/Xp/2003 is still currently the best
 format for sharing files. 
 
 Odt is becoming more widely used but the only version of MS Office that can
 really handle it is MS Office 2013.  The 2007 and 2010 attempt to implement
 Odf was a bit sub-optimal.  Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 
  From: e-letter inp...@gmail.com
 
 To: upscope upsc...@nwi.net
 Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013, 10:14
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening
 correctly
 On 19/02/2013, upscope upsc...@nwi.net wrote:
  Both of the above LO versions have the problem. I can open a .docx
  document
  if
  it is all text with no problems. If the document like a new letter I get
  in
  
  .docx format is opened the graphics are missing, or partically there or
  off
  
  set from where they should be.
 
 Tell the source to re-send in odt format, or use google docs to view.
 
  I even created a new user and logged in as him, then using SUSE version
  of
  LO4.0.0.3 tried the same document with the same results. Also I just took
  a
  
  copy of a news letter I am getting ready to send out ( generated in .odf
  format) and saved it as a .docx document. the formating was totally
  messed
  up
  and graphics were messed up also (graphics in wrong place, text in wrong
  place
  probably caused by graphics being wrong, some graphics just plain blank
  box,
 Good. You should be sending the newsletter in odt format; most modern
 software can view it, otherwise pdf/html should be used.
yes I am aware of compatibility problems. Typical MS. 

What I am trying to do is open the .docx document, and then save it as odt. 
This works fine is original doc is all text. But when graphics ixist in 
document and get relocated, missed etc, then its hard to get a proper 
document. It seems to work better in LO 3.6.3 than in LO 4.0.0.3.

Thanks
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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening correctly

2013-02-20 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
Cool :) Thanks :)  So, time to post a bug-report?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

The only advantage with docX is that, like Odt, you can rename the file-ending 
to zip and then dig out the pictures from the images folder.  It's a pain to 
get the images back into the right place but hopefully all this might get 
smoother in the future.  

Perhaps install 3.6.3 alongside 4.0.0 or perhaps just stick with the more 
stable branch for a bit longer and try the 4.0.x a bit later? 
Regards from
Tom :)  







 From: upscope upsc...@nwi.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013, 16:53
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening 
correctly
 
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:45:19 AM Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 DocX is really bad for sharing with people unless you be be fairly certain
 they are using the same version of MS Office on the same version of
 Windows. 
 
 The older MS format, Doc for 97/2000/Xp/2003 is still currently the best
 format for sharing files. 
 
 Odt is becoming more widely used but the only version of MS Office that can
 really handle it is MS Office 2013.  The 2007 and 2010 attempt to implement
 Odf was a bit sub-optimal.  Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 
  From: e-letter inp...@gmail.com
 
 To: upscope upsc...@nwi.net
 Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013, 10:14
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening
 correctly
 On 19/02/2013, upscope upsc...@nwi.net wrote:
  Both of the above LO versions have the problem. I can open a .docx
  document
  if
  it is all text with no problems. If the document like a new letter I get
  in
  
  .docx format is opened the graphics are missing, or partically there or
  off
  
  set from where they should be.
 
 Tell the source to re-send in odt format, or use google docs to view.
 
  I even created a new user and logged in as him, then using SUSE version
  of
  LO4.0.0.3 tried the same document with the same results. Also I just took
  a
  
  copy of a news letter I am getting ready to send out ( generated in .odf
  format) and saved it as a .docx document. the formating was totally
  messed
  up
  and graphics were messed up also (graphics in wrong place, text in wrong
  place
  probably caused by graphics being wrong, some graphics just plain blank
  box,
 Good. You should be sending the newsletter in odt format; most modern
 software can view it, otherwise pdf/html should be used.
yes I am aware of compatibility problems. Typical MS. 

What I am trying to do is open the .docx document, and then save it as odt. 
This works fine is original doc is all text. But when graphics exist in 
document and get relocated, missed etc, then its hard to get a proper 
document. It seems to work better in LO 3.6.3 than in LO 4.0.0.3.

Thanks
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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening correctly

2013-02-20 Thread Doug


On 02/20/2013 11:53 AM, upscope wrote:

On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:45:19 AM Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
DocX is really bad for sharing with people unless you be be fairly certain
they are using the same version of MS Office on the same version of
Windows.

The older MS format, Doc for 97/2000/Xp/2003 is still currently the best
format for sharing files.



/snip/

Finally, someone writes some sense.

The other day, I received a docx file to edit. LO opened the file, and
I edited it. I saved it in what LO thinks is docx. Then I discovered that
_even LO could not open the saved file!_  It could not even open the
file that it, itself, had created!

So _do not_ save a file from LO in docx format!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening correctly

On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 05:03:36 PM Brian Barker wrote:
 At 08:53 20/02/2013 -0800, you wrote:
 What I am trying to do is open the .docx document, and then save it as odt.
 
 Can you get to a copy of Microsoft Word, even temporarily - perhaps
 at work, at your educational establishment, at a library, in an
 internet cafe, at a friend's, and so on?  If the material is not
 confidential, perhaps you could e-mail it to a friend.  If so, you
 could open .docx document files and re-save them as .doc files -
 which LibreOffice could then open.  You could also take a screenshot
 of the .docx version or export a PDF version (which later versions of
 Microsoft Office will do natively).  You could retain this as a guide
 to what the original document looked like and use it to guide you
 when you were later editing the .doc in LibreOffice and saving it as .odt.
 
 Would that work any better?
 
 I trust this helps.
 
 Brian Barker - privately
Thanks. I'll send it to my wifes's Win 7 machine, it has office 2003 on it. 
I personnaly have not used MS software since 1999. Been all Linux. Actually I 
have XP on a virtual machine under my Linux but I have not been sussesful 
updating .net on it past version 3.0. 3.5 and later fail on install, no real 
error stated. I also only have MSoffice 2003. I refuse to pay MS what they 
want for the capability I need. 

Will office 2003 open a .docx, last I heard it would not. I have nothing that 
will open the .docx unless I reinstall LO3.6.3, I think it opens them better 
but still has problem. Will doing more experimenting with Tom's and your 
ideas.

thanks 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening correctly

2013-02-20 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
There was some sort of add-on or something that allowed 2003 to open DocX
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/open-a-word-2007-document-in-an-earlier-version-of-word-HA010044473.aspx

Errr, that might be a bit old now.  It's for the MSO 2007 version of DocX.  
This link doesn't seem to specify which version of DocX it's for
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3

Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: upscope upsc...@nwi.net
To: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com; users@global.libreoffice.org 
users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013, 17:51
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening 
correctly
 
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 05:03:36 PM Brian Barker wrote:
 At 08:53 20/02/2013 -0800, you wrote:
 What I am trying to do is open the .docx document, and then save it as odt.
 
 Can you get to a copy of Microsoft Word, even temporarily - perhaps
 at work, at your educational establishment, at a library, in an
 internet cafe, at a friend's, and so on?  If the material is not
 confidential, perhaps you could e-mail it to a friend.  If so, you
 could open .docx document files and re-save them as .doc files -
 which LibreOffice could then open.  You could also take a screenshot
 of the .docx version or export a PDF version (which later versions of
 Microsoft Office will do natively).  You could retain this as a guide
 to what the original document looked like and use it to guide you
 when you were later editing the .doc in LibreOffice and saving it as .odt.
 
 Would that work any better?
 
 I trust this helps.
 
 Brian Barker - privately
Thanks. I'll send it to my wifes' Win 7 machine, it has office 2003 on it. 
I personally have not used MS software since 1999. Been all Linux. Actually I 
have XP on a virtual machine under my Linux but I have not been successful 
updating .net on it past version 3.0. 3.5 and later fail on install, no real 
error stated. I also only have MSoffice 2003. I refuse to pay MS what they 
want for the capability I need. 

Will office 2003 open a .docx, last I heard it would not. I have nothing that 
will open the .docx unless I reinstall LO3.6.3, I think it opens them better 
but still has problem. Will doing more experimenting with Tom's and your 
ideas.

thanks 

Russ
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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening correctly

On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:30:26 PM Doug wrote:
 On 02/20/2013 11:53 AM, upscope wrote:
  On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:45:19 AM Tom Davies wrote:
  Hi :)
  DocX is really bad for sharing with people unless you be be fairly
  certain
  they are using the same version of MS Office on the same version of
  Windows.
  
  The older MS format, Doc for 97/2000/Xp/2003 is still currently the best
  format for sharing files.
 
 /snip/
 
 Finally, someone writes some sense.
 
 The other day, I received a docx file to edit. LO opened the file, and
 I edited it. I saved it in what LO thinks is docx. Then I discovered that
 _even LO could not open the saved file!_  It could not even open the
 file that it, itself, had created!
 
 So _do not_ save a file from LO in docx format!
What version of LO are you using. I just saved a copy of the March newleter I 
am getting ready (.odt) to .docx (2007 /2010 XML) and it can be saved and 
opened again.But it does lose the document formatingg but all the graphics are 
there and text is their. (Frames appear to be lost, but the text exis there)

Back to earlier suggested tests

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx documents with graphic, not opening correctly

2013-02-20 Thread Mieszko Kaczmarczyk

Uytkownik Tom Davies napisa:
Perhaps install 3.6.3 alongside 4.0.0 or perhaps just stick with the more 
stable branch for a bit longer and try the 4.0.x a bit later?+1From my side the 
LO ver 4.0 is still to buggy and cannot be used
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Re: [libreoffice-users] docx file writer 3.6.0

2012-09-02 Thread Paolo Debortoli



the document was sent to me by email from the office


 From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com
To: Paolo Debortoli paolo_debort...@yahoo.com 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] docx file writer 3.6.0
 
       Is there some reason you're using .docx rather than .doc?;
           if not, then you might try 'saving as' .doc then opening with LO.



On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Paolo Debortoli
paolo_debort...@yahoo.comwrote:

hi. I have a .docx file created with ms word, but when I try to open it
 with libreoffice writer 3.6.0  (on linux ubuntu)   it crashes and closes
 immediately without showing anything...  I don't know why



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Re: [libreoffice-users] docx file writer 3.6.0

2012-09-01 Thread anne-ology

   Is there some reason you're using .docx rather than .doc?;
   if not, then you might try 'saving as' .doc then opening with LO.



On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Paolo Debortoli
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hi. I have a .docx file created with ms word, but when I try to open it
 with libreoffice writer 3.6.0  (on linux ubuntu)   it crashes and closes
 immediately without showing anything...  I don't know why



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Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX

2012-05-13 Thread Steve Edmonds

Had that too, and Mesa that had some functionality generally still not 
found today.


On 2012-05-12 23:31, James Knott wrote:

Steve Edmonds wrote:

I was using star office on OS/2 15 years ago.


While I had Star Office, I used Describe back then.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX

2012-05-13 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
It would be great to add those ideas as feature requests
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

They might not get worked on but someone might get interested and add it.  
Regards from
Tom :)  


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From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@pt-global.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 13 May, 2012, 7:47

Had that too, and Mesa that had some functionality generally still not 
found today.

On 2012-05-12 23:31, James Knott wrote:
 Steve Edmonds wrote:
 I was using star office on OS/2 15 years ago.

 While I had Star Office, I used Describe back then.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX

2012-05-13 Thread James Knott

Many OS/2 apps had features that would be difficult or impossible to do 
elsewhere, as they relied on features of OS/2 that are not available 
with other operating systems.  It was capable of many things that I have 
never seen elsewhere.


Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
It would be great to add those ideas as feature requests
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

They might not get worked on but someone might get interested and add it. 
Regards from
Tom :) 



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From: Steve Edmondssteve.edmo...@pt-global.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 13 May, 2012, 7:47

Had that too, and Mesa that had some functionality generally still not
found today.

On 2012-05-12 23:31, James Knott wrote:

Steve Edmonds wrote:

I was using star office on OS/2 15 years ago.

While I had Star Office, I used Describe back then.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX

2012-05-12 Thread James Knott


Steve Edmonds wrote:

I was using star office on OS/2 15 years ago.


While I had Star Office, I used Describe back then.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX

2012-05-11 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
They might be good on Windows machines but i suspect they are not perfect at 
reading DocX either. MSO 2010 implements DocX differently from 2007 and 
according to Microsoft's 2010 installer it can be different on different on 
different versions of Windows, ie different between 2010 on Xp and 2010 on 
Win7.  

So i think it's well worth trying just in case it does work well
Regards from
Tom :)



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From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 11 May, 2012, 2:42

The Wolfkin wrote:
 I'm pretty good at people and I know full and well that they don't have the
 skill to change it to .doc or the patience for me to explain why. I'm like
 an inverse human. Rather than adapting my environment to suit myself. I
 expend most of my energy to adapt my practices to suit my environment. If I
 get .docx files I generally either open it as it and roll the dice or find
 a computer with a version of Office compatible.

Something that may come in handy are the free Word, Excel and PowerPoint 
viewers from Microsoft.  These will allow you to view MS Office documents, 
though not edit them.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX

2012-05-11 Thread The Wolfkin

wait.. ALL of them have viewers now? I knew about the PP viewer but having
a word viewer and excel viewer would be fantastic... thanks guy

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 Something that may come in handy are the free Word, Excel and PowerPoint
 viewers from Microsoft.  These will allow you to view MS Office documents,
 though not edit them.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX

2012-05-11 Thread James Knott


The Wolfkin wrote:

wait.. ALL of them have viewers now?


They've been around for years.  I was using a Word viewer on OS/2 about 
15 years ago.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX

2012-05-11 Thread Steve Edmonds


I was using star office on OS/2 15 years ago.

On 2012-05-12 13:01, James Knott wrote:

The Wolfkin wrote:

wait.. ALL of them have viewers now?


They've been around for years.  I was using a Word viewer on OS/2 
about 15 years ago.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX

2012-05-11 Thread The Wolfkin

wow... news to me. I discovered the powerpoint viewer years ago but the
headaches I could have saved if I had known there was a doc viewer

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 The Wolfkin wrote:

 wait.. ALL of them have viewers now?


 They've been around for years.  I was using a Word viewer on OS/2 about 15
 years ago.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX

2012-05-10 Thread The Wolfkin

I'm pretty good at people and I know full and well that they don't have the
skill to change it to .doc or the patience for me to explain why. I'm like
an inverse human. Rather than adapting my environment to suit myself. I
expend most of my energy to adapt my practices to suit my environment. If I
get .docx files I generally either open it as it and roll the dice or find
a computer with a version of Office compatible.

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 Hi :)
 +1
 I find it a total pita too.  Do you get blank looks from people when you
 ask them to send in a different format?  Do you find people treat you with
 suspicion or treat you as being deliberately difficult?  Do you get blamed
 when their formats turn out to appear broken when viewed on any machine
 other than their own?

 When i installed MSO 2010 on the machines here i deliberately set it to
 default to Doc instead of DocX but then felt guilty and worried i would get
 the blame if anything happened so i set it back :(
 Regards from
 Tom :)




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Re: [libreoffice-users] DocX

2012-05-10 Thread James Knott


The Wolfkin wrote:

I'm pretty good at people and I know full and well that they don't have the
skill to change it to .doc or the patience for me to explain why. I'm like
an inverse human. Rather than adapting my environment to suit myself. I
expend most of my energy to adapt my practices to suit my environment. If I
get .docx files I generally either open it as it and roll the dice or find
a computer with a version of Office compatible.


Something that may come in handy are the free Word, Excel and PowerPoint 
viewers from Microsoft.  These will allow you to view MS Office 
documents, though not edit them.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx trouble

2011-11-28 Thread e-letter

On 27/11/2011, John D. Herron paradox.her...@bluewin.ch wrote:
 hi. i'm working on a standalone ubuntu 11.04 box (no Windows on it!)
 with LibreOffice 3.3.4 OOO330m19 (Build:401).


Please consider a cost benefit analysis; if the value of your clients
is significant, buy a cheap computer with m$o and use that whenever a
client (who puts money in your hand!) demands. Include the time you
are wasting using LO to create m$ documents; would be a surprise to
discover that you still think it beneficial to you to use LO as a m$
clone...

 Last week I sent a client a .doc file, which he reviewed (Edit - Show) and
 then returned to me for further comments. I in turn added comments and
 corrections to it in the same fashion, even changing some of his own
 entries.

Why didn't you send in odf and promote the benefits of LO?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx trouble

2011-11-28 Thread Tanstaafl


@e-letter

Your continued tirades in this vein are getting old...

I have an idea? Why don't you just stfu about it.

On 2011-11-28 4:59 AM, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote:

On 27/11/2011, John D. Herronparadox.her...@bluewin.ch  wrote:

hi. i'm working on a standalone ubuntu 11.04 box (no Windows on it!)
with LibreOffice 3.3.4 OOO330m19 (Build:401).



Please consider a cost benefit analysis; if the value of your clients
is significant, buy a cheap computer with m$o and use that whenever a
client (who puts money in your hand!) demands. Include the time you
are wasting using LO to create m$ documents; would be a surprise to
discover that you still think it beneficial to you to use LO as a m$
clone...


Last week I sent a client a .doc file, which he reviewed (Edit -  Show) and
then returned to me for further comments. I in turn added comments and
corrections to it in the same fashion, even changing some of his own
entries.


Why didn't you send in odf and promote the benefits of LO?




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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx trouble (solved??)

2011-11-28 Thread John D. Herron




On 11/27/2011 09:32 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

John

On 11/27/2011 01:15 PM, John D. Herron wrote:

hi. i'm working on a standalone ubuntu 11.04 box (no Windows on it!)
with LibreOffice 3.3.4 OOO330m19 (Build:401)...
-- snip --

john

I try to double save important files with my working copy being ODF 
and when necessary in MSO.


You can try adding this ppa for Libroffice and upgrade to 3.4.4: note 
I have listed the commands needed to install the ppa using Terminal. 
This is simpler IMHO than having side-by-side installs of two LO 
versions.


sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libroffice/ppa

sudo apt-get update

I would run Update Manager or Synaptic and either should find the new 
versions.


My experience is that 3.3.X is not as good as 3.4.X in handling msox 
formats. When I had a similar problem with 3.3.2/3 I found that Word 
2010 had no problem with opening the file nor did anyone who received 
it. No one commented on any file corruption.


Looking at your image, it looks like all the information is there so 
your customer should not even noticed that you had a problem.




Hello, Jay.

i followed your instructions and upgraded LibreOffice to v. 3.4.3
OOO340m1 (Build:302), first adding the ppa:libreoffice/ppa repository 
and then

having synaptic do the upgrade.

The operation seems to have been successful on the whole; but attempting
to open the .docx document in the new writer version still fails miserably.

I can only hope that the client will be able to open it cleanly in 
whatever version of

Word he is using.

Thanks for the help and reassurance. Guess i'll just need to keep my 
eyes doubly focused
when I open Word files from clients or other people, and ask them to 
re-save any .docx files as

.doc before mailing them to me.

jdh



In the meantime I've verified that my client was indeed able to properly 
open the .docx file i had sent to him. Just to have peace of mind for my 
own records, I've had him save the document as .doc (Win 97/2000) and 
send it back to me.


The problem here (with both LO 3.3.4. and LO 3.4.3) seems to be that 
while they *can* indeed read .docx files, they *cannot* re-save them in 
that format *in a manner displayable in writer;* however, the re-save in 
LO will apparently preserve the structure and contents for any Winword 
recipients of the .docx files processed in LO. Fortunately, LO is not 
capable, within itself, to create original MSO .docx documents...


I think the best way to deal with incoming MSO .docx files is to 
immediately re-save them as .odt or .doc files, as you suggested, and 
only then do any necessary editing.


Again, thanks for the help and reassurance.

jdh


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx trouble (solved??)

2011-11-28 Thread Jay Lozier


On 11/28/2011 12:27 PM, John D. Herron wrote:



On 11/27/2011 09:32 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

John

On 11/27/2011 01:15 PM, John D. Herron wrote:

hi. i'm working on a standalone ubuntu 11.04 box (no Windows on it!)
with LibreOffice 3.3.4 OOO330m19 (Build:401)...
-- snip --

john

I try to double save important files with my working copy being ODF 
and when necessary in MSO.


You can try adding this ppa for Libroffice and upgrade to 3.4.4: note 
I have listed the commands needed to install the ppa using Terminal. 
This is simpler IMHO than having side-by-side installs of two LO 
versions.


sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libroffice/ppa

sudo apt-get update

I would run Update Manager or Synaptic and either should find the new 
versions.


My experience is that 3.3.X is not as good as 3.4.X in handling msox 
formats. When I had a similar problem with 3.3.2/3 I found that Word 
2010 had no problem with opening the file nor did anyone who received 
it. No one commented on any file corruption.


Looking at your image, it looks like all the information is there so 
your customer should not even noticed that you had a problem.




Hello, Jay.

i followed your instructions and upgraded LibreOffice to v. 3.4.3
OOO340m1 (Build:302), first adding the ppa:libreoffice/ppa repository 
and then

having synaptic do the upgrade.

The operation seems to have been successful on the whole; but attempting
to open the .docx document in the new writer version still fails 
miserably.


I can only hope that the client will be able to open it cleanly in 
whatever version of

Word he is using.

Thanks for the help and reassurance. Guess i'll just need to keep my 
eyes doubly focused
when I open Word files from clients or other people, and ask them to 
re-save any .docx files as

.doc before mailing them to me.

jdh



In the meantime I've verified that my client was indeed able to 
properly open the .docx file i had sent to him. Just to have peace of 
mind for my own records, I've had him save the document as .doc (Win 
97/2000) and send it back to me.

Good news


The problem here (with both LO 3.3.4. and LO 3.4.3) seems to be that 
while they *can* indeed read .docx files, they *cannot* re-save them 
in that format *in a manner displayable in writer;* however, the 
re-save in LO will apparently preserve the structure and contents for 
any Winword recipients of the .docx files processed in LO. 
Fortunately, LO is not capable, within itself, to create original MSO 
.docx documents...


I think the best way to deal with incoming MSO .docx files is to 
immediately re-save them as .odt or .doc files, as you suggested, and 
only then do any necessary editing.
Interestingly both ODT and MSOX files are compressed formats. MS tends 
to sort of follow the standards part of the reason why msox types are 
troublesome - they are close but not quite there.


A side note MSO 2010 supports only ODT 1.0 and 1.1 versions while LO 
uses 1.2 enhanced as default.


Again, thanks for the help and reassurance.

jdh





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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx trouble

2011-11-27 Thread Jay Lozier


John

On 11/27/2011 01:15 PM, John D. Herron wrote:

hi. i'm working on a standalone ubuntu 11.04 box (no Windows on it!)
with LibreOffice 3.3.4 OOO330m19 (Build:401).

Last week I sent a client a .doc file, which he reviewed (Edit - 
Show) and

then returned to me for further comments. I in turn added comments and
corrections to it in the same fashion, even changing some of his own 
entries.
When I had finished I saved it outright (i.e. not Save as) and 
closed it so I

could e-mail it. On second thought I realized I needed to add one more
comment, but when I reopened the document i discovered that it had
been saved as *.docx*... (that is how he had sent his original to me, 
as I

realized too late...).

Attempts to reopen the document in libreoffice proved futile: all i 
got to see
was a fully readable first page (where no corrections had been made), 
followed

by some numbering and bullets with no visible text.
I then tried to re-save it as .odt or standard .doc, but no joy.

As I unzipped the document and looked into it I saw that distinct 
parts of the
document had been stored in separate 'compartments'. In a subsection 
named
'document.xml' i found the full text (complete with corrections and 
comments)

listed in something akin to 'web-script' format.

I did return the reviewed document to my client as is (since he is 
working

with a recent version of MSWord); he will need to use it immediately when
he receives it. My questions are
- is he likely to be able to properly open and view the document as i 
returned

  it to him? and if not
- is there some way for me to recover or repair it?

On _imagebin.org_ I have (as 'johnherron') posted the 'segments' of the
document (11082_bb_Memo_inRe_... .docx) as shown by
Nautilus.

I'm very new at this, so i'd appreciate whatever help you may be able 
to provide

in plain, easy-to-understand language.

Thanks even now.
john


**


I try to double save important files with my working copy being ODF and 
when necessary in MSO.


You can try adding this ppa for Libroffice and upgrade to 3.4.4: note I 
have listed the commands needed to install the ppa using Terminal. This 
is simpler IMHO than having side-by-side installs of two LO versions.


sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libroffice/ppa

sudo apt-get update

I would run Update Manager or Synaptic and either should find the new 
versions.


My experience is that 3.3.X is not as good as 3.4.X in handling msox 
formats. When I had a similar problem with 3.3.2/3 I found that Word 
2010 had no problem with opening the file nor did anyone who received 
it. No one commented on any file corruption.


Looking at your image, it looks like all the information is there so 
your customer should not even noticed that you had a problem.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx trouble

2011-11-27 Thread John D. Herron




On 11/27/2011 09:32 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

John

On 11/27/2011 01:15 PM, John D. Herron wrote:

hi. i'm working on a standalone ubuntu 11.04 box (no Windows on it!)
with LibreOffice 3.3.4 OOO330m19 (Build:401).

Last week I sent a client a .doc file, which he reviewed (Edit - 
Show) and

then returned to me for further comments. I in turn added comments and
corrections to it in the same fashion, even changing some of his own 
entries.
When I had finished I saved it outright (i.e. not Save as) and 
closed it so I

could e-mail it. On second thought I realized I needed to add one more
comment, but when I reopened the document i discovered that it had
been saved as *.docx*... (that is how he had sent his original to me, 
as I

realized too late...).

Attempts to reopen the document in libreoffice proved futile: all i 
got to see
was a fully readable first page (where no corrections had been made), 
followed

by some numbering and bullets with no visible text.
I then tried to re-save it as .odt or standard .doc, but no joy.

As I unzipped the document and looked into it I saw that distinct 
parts of the
document had been stored in separate 'compartments'. In a subsection 
named
'document.xml' i found the full text (complete with corrections and 
comments)

listed in something akin to 'web-script' format.

I did return the reviewed document to my client as is (since he is 
working
with a recent version of MSWord); he will need to use it immediately 
when

he receives it. My questions are
- is he likely to be able to properly open and view the document as i 
returned

  it to him? and if not
- is there some way for me to recover or repair it?

On _imagebin.org_ I have (as 'johnherron') posted the 'segments' of the
document (11082_bb_Memo_inRe_... .docx) as shown by
Nautilus.

I'm very new at this, so i'd appreciate whatever help you may be able 
to provide

in plain, easy-to-understand language.

Thanks even now.
john


**


I try to double save important files with my working copy being ODF 
and when necessary in MSO.


You can try adding this ppa for Libroffice and upgrade to 3.4.4: note 
I have listed the commands needed to install the ppa using Terminal. 
This is simpler IMHO than having side-by-side installs of two LO 
versions.


sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libroffice/ppa

sudo apt-get update

I would run Update Manager or Synaptic and either should find the new 
versions.


My experience is that 3.3.X is not as good as 3.4.X in handling msox 
formats. When I had a similar problem with 3.3.2/3 I found that Word 
2010 had no problem with opening the file nor did anyone who received 
it. No one commented on any file corruption.


Looking at your image, it looks like all the information is there so 
your customer should not even noticed that you had a problem.




Hello, Jay.

i followed your instructions and upgraded LibreOffice to v. LibreOffice 
3.4.3
OOO340m1 (Build:302), first adding the ppa:libreoffice/ppa repository 
and then

having synaptic do the upgrade.

The operation seems to have been successful on the whole; but attempting
to open the .docx document in the new writer version still fails miserably.

I can only hope that the client will be able to open it cleanly in 
whatever version of

Word he is using.

Thanks for the help and reassurance. Guess i'll just need to keep my 
eyes doubly focused
when I open Word files from clients or other people, and ask them to 
re-save any .docx files as

.doc before mailing them to me.

jdh

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Re: [libreoffice-users] DOCX file from Android Office Suite will not open

2011-11-03 Thread ESChamp

Got an email this morning from MobiSystems, the folks who wrote Office
Suite Pro, that said that they have been able to duplicate the problem
and will start working on a fix!! :-)

Pete Holsberg has written on 10/28/2011 12:53 PM:
 Hi,

 I created a file with the Android app Office Suite Pro and I cannot
 open it with Libre Writer.

 It pops up a filter menu with types of files in randow order (can I
 file a bug report or a fix request on that?) and none of them are
 Windows Office 2010 docx file.

 FWIW, the first 10 bytes of the file are the same as other docx files
 that LO is able to open.

 Any ideas (other than asking on an Office Suite mailing list)?

 Thanks.






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Good work chap :) Re: [libreoffice-users] DOCX file from Android Office Suite will not open

2011-11-03 Thread Tom Davies

WoH!! :)

I thought they might be helpful but i didn't realise they would start on it so 
soon!  Good work chap
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 3/11/11, ESChamp esch...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: ESChamp esch...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] DOCX file from Android Office Suite will not 
 open
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Thursday, 3 November, 2011, 16:39
 Got an email this morning from MobiSystems, the folks who wrote Office
 Suite Pro, that said that they have been able to duplicate the problem
 and will start working on a fix!! :-)
 
 Pete Holsberg has written on 10/28/2011 12:53 PM:
  Hi,
 
  I created a file with the Android app Office Suite
 Pro and I cannot
  open it with Libre Writer.
 
  It pops up a filter menu with types of files in
 randow order (can I
  file a bug report or a fix request on that?) and none
 of them are
  Windows Office 2010 docx file.
 
  FWIW, the first 10 bytes of the file are the same as
 other docx files
  that LO is able to open.
 
  Any ideas (other than asking on an Office Suite
 mailing list)?
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] DOCX file from Android Office Suite will not open

2011-10-30 Thread e-letter

Off-topic, but this shows the mistake of not developing LO for mobile
devices; reminded me of a previous post:
http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg02649.html.
It proves the diversion of discussion of m$ from the bigger objective;
that the original posters are writing to this mailing list about a
problem/observation using odf software on android hardware. The poster
was not aware of the difference between odf and oomxl; which tells its
own story...

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RE: [libreoffice-users] DOCX file from Android Office Suite will not open

2011-10-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton

Hi Pete,

When LO/OOo pops up a text filter it is usually because the format of the 
incoming file is not recognizable, no matter how it happens to be named 
(.docx, etc.).

This happens if an incoming .docx file is encrypted, for example.

If you send the file to me, I can look at its innards to see why it isn't 
being recognized properly.

 - Dennis E. Hamilton
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-Original Message-
From: Pete Holsberg [mailto:pj...@pobox.com]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 09:53
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] DOCX file from Android Office Suite will not open

Hi,

I created a file with the Android app Office Suite Pro and I cannot
open it with Libre Writer.

It pops up a filter menu with types of files in randow order (can I
file a bug report or a fix request on that?) and none of them are
Windows Office 2010 docx file.

FWIW, the first 10 bytes of the file are the same as other docx files
that LO is able to open.

Any ideas (other than asking on an Office Suite mailing list)?

Thanks.



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RE: [libreoffice-users] DOCX file from Android Office Suite will not open

2011-10-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton

First, rough-screening test results:

The newtext.docx file that was produced with the Mobi Office Suite works as 
follows:
  LO 3.3.2 fails to open it, reporting a general input-output error.
  Word 2010 opens it just fine.

I modified the document in Word 2010 by adding a sentence to it and saving that 
as a new file.
  LO 3.3.2 opens the modified document just fine.

Inspection of Zip structure of the two documents reveals that the version saved 
by Word 2010 has two more files, a docProps/app.xml file and a 
word/StylesWithEffects.xml file.

There is no obvious difference at this high level to indicate how the document 
failed to be recognized as an OOXML WordDocumentML document by LO.  

It is also possible that the difference is in the Zip encoding in some way in 
which Word 2010 is forgiving and LO is not.  The failure to recognize what the 
document is appears to happen at a very immediate level in LO access to the 
file.

More detailed examination is required.


 - Dennis E. Hamilton
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   dennis.hamil...@acm.org  gsm: +1-206-779-9430  @orcmid




-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] 
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 10:18
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] DOCX file from Android Office Suite will not 
open

Hi Pete,

When LO/OOo pops up a text filter it is usually because the format of the 
incoming file is not recognizable, no matter how it happens to be named 
(.docx, etc.).

This happens if an incoming .docx file is encrypted, for example.

If you send the file to me, I can look at its innards to see why it isn't 
being recognized properly.

 - Dennis E. Hamilton
   tools for document interoperability,  http://nfoWorks.org/
   dennis.hamil...@acm.org  gsm: +1-206-779-9430  @orcmid

-Original Message-
From: Pete Holsberg [mailto:pj...@pobox.com]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 09:53
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] DOCX file from Android Office Suite will not open

Hi,

I created a file with the Android app Office Suite Pro and I cannot
open it with Libre Writer.

It pops up a filter menu with types of files in randow order (can I
file a bug report or a fix request on that?) and none of them are
Windows Office 2010 docx file.

FWIW, the first 10 bytes of the file are the same as other docx files
that LO is able to open.

Any ideas (other than asking on an Office Suite mailing list)?

Thanks.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread e-letter

On 15/09/2011, Guy Voets nimant...@gmail.com wrote:
 What can I do when this happens again?

You should send in odf and tell your recipient to use LO. If the
recipient cannot use LO you should buy m$ and continue to use m$
formats. Then when there are compatibility issues, you write to m$
technical support.

Do you expect the recipient to write to m$ and say: I received this
m$ file and I can't open it. The sender is using LO. M$, please change
the m$ format???

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Re: [libreoffice-users] docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
Easy tiger!  No need to be so hostile!  
Regards from
Tom :)

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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 15:31

On 15/09/2011, Guy Voets nimant...@gmail.com wrote:
 What can I do when this happens again?

You should send in odf and tell your recipient to use LO. If the
recipient cannot use LO you should buy m$ and continue to use m$
formats. Then when there are compatibility issues, you write to m$
technical support.

Do you expect the recipient to write to m$ and say: I received this
m$ file and I can't open it. The sender is using LO. M$, please change
the m$ format???

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

2011-05-09 Thread Tom Davies



  
 Are you suggesting that LO/OOo will not display images in a text box,
 but that is a valid MSO docx feature?

 It would appear so.

  
 Stupid or not, that is how people are creating
 documents


  
I just tried google docs with my faulty .docx. Google .docx imports were
quite good at one time, but even all that might can't manage my .docx.
I'm betting the format has changed to thwart competitors efforts at
compatibility.
steve


HI :)
It only seems to be text inside a text-box that is being difficult at the 
moment.  When a document is written normally it translates easily but for some 
reason a few people have suddenly started defaulting to using text-boxes 
unnecessarily.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

2011-05-09 Thread Steve Edmonds




On 9/05/11 8:54 PM, Tom Davies wrote:





Are you suggesting that LO/OOo will not display images in a text box,
but that is a valid MSO docx feature?


It would appear so.



Stupid or not, that is how people are creating
documents




I just tried google docs with my faulty .docx. Google .docx imports were
quite good at one time, but even all that might can't manage my .docx.
I'm betting the format has changed to thwart competitors efforts at
compatibility.
steve


HI :)
It only seems to be text inside a text-box that is being difficult at the
moment.  When a document is written normally it translates easily but for some
reason a few people have suddenly started defaulting to using text-boxes
unnecessarily.
Regards from
Tom :)


Hi.
Its not just text in a box. I have had problems with charts and may be 
tables and lines and annotations from docx.
2 screen snaps attached for Tom showing something I don't really want 
bandied about in public that won't import and which google docs garbles.

steve

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

2011-05-09 Thread Tom Davies

From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com
To: users@libreoffice.org; tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Mon, 9 May, 2011 20:51:44
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

On 9/05/11 8:54 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

 Are you suggesting that LO/OOo will not display images in a text box,
 but that is a valid MSO docx feature?

 It would appear so.

 Stupid or not, that is how people are creating
 documents

 I just tried google docs with my faulty .docx. Google .docx imports were
 quite good at one time, but even all that might can't manage my .docx.
 I'm betting the format has changed to thwart competitors efforts at
 compatibility.
 steve

 HI :)
 It only seems to be text inside a text-box that is being difficult at the
 moment.  When a document is written normally it translates easily but for some
 reason a few people have suddenly started defaulting to using text-boxes
 unnecessarily.
 Regards from
 Tom :)

Hi.
Its not just text in a box. I have had problems with charts and may be 
tables and lines and annotations from docx.
2 screen snaps attached for Tom showing something I don't really want 
bandied about in public that won't import and which google docs garbles.
steve

Hi :)
Yes :(  All sorts of boxes with text in them could be affected.  This looks 
like 
the same problem.  Is there a bug-report about this that can be added to?  Text 
out-side of boxes seems fine.  Pictures seem fine although possibly just moved 
around a little.

I think annotations is a separate bug-report.
Regards from
Tom :)

PS That was kinda semi-confidential.  There were no clues about locations (even 
to the nearest hemisphere), time, dates (to the nearest decade), or even events 
 all best kept that way.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

2011-05-09 Thread Steve Edmonds

On 2011-05-10 11:37, Tom Davies wrote:

 From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com
 To: users@libreoffice.org; tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
 Sent: Mon, 9 May, 2011 20:51:44
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

 On 9/05/11 8:54 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

 Are you suggesting that LO/OOo will not display images in a text box,
 but that is a valid MSO docx feature?

 It would appear so.

 Stupid or not, that is how people are creating
 documents

 I just tried google docs with my faulty .docx. Google .docx imports were
 quite good at one time, but even all that might can't manage my .docx.
 I'm betting the format has changed to thwart competitors efforts at
 compatibility.
 steve

 HI :)
 It only seems to be text inside a text-box that is being difficult at the
 moment.  When a document is written normally it translates easily but for 
 some
 reason a few people have suddenly started defaulting to using text-boxes
 unnecessarily.
 Regards from
 Tom :)

 Hi.
 Its not just text in a box. I have had problems with charts and may be 
 tables and lines and annotations from docx.
 2 screen snaps attached for Tom showing something I don't really want 
 bandied about in public that won't import and which google docs garbles.
 steve

 Hi :)
 Yes :(  All sorts of boxes with text in them could be affected.  This looks 
 like 
 the same problem.  Is there a bug-report about this that can be added to?  
 Text 
 out-side of boxes seems fine.  Pictures seem fine although possibly just 
 moved 
 around a little.

 I think annotations is a separate bug-report.
 Regards from
 Tom :)

 PS That was kinda semi-confidential.  There were no clues about locations 
 (even 
 to the nearest hemisphere), time, dates (to the nearest decade), or even 
 events 
  all best kept that way.

By annotations I meant drawing objects like lines and arrows and blocks
of text.
I don't recall having any problem with docx prior to the organisation
who sends me docx upgrading to Office 2010, so that may be a distinction.
steve

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

2011-05-09 Thread Matthew Young





On 05/09/2011 08:12 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:


On 2011-05-10 11:37, Tom Davies wrote:





From: Steve Edmondssteve.edmo...@ptglobal.com
To: users@libreoffice.org; tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Mon, 9 May, 2011 20:51:44
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read



On 9/05/11 8:54 PM, Tom Davies wrote:






Are you suggesting that LO/OOo will not display images in a text box,
but that is a valid MSO docx feature?



It would appear so.




Stupid or not, that is how people are creating
documents





I just tried google docs with my faulty .docx. Google .docx imports were
quite good at one time, but even all that might can't manage my .docx.
I'm betting the format has changed to thwart competitors efforts at
compatibility.
steve


HI :)
It only seems to be text inside a text-box that is being difficult at the
moment.  When a document is written normally it translates easily but for some
reason a few people have suddenly started defaulting to using text-boxes
unnecessarily.
Regards from
Tom :)



Hi.
Its not just text in a box. I have had problems with charts and may be
tables and lines and annotations from docx.
2 screen snaps attached for Tom showing something I don't really want
bandied about in public that won't import and which google docs garbles.
steve


Hi :)
Yes :(  All sorts of boxes with text in them could be affected.  This looks like
the same problem.  Is there a bug-report about this that can be added to?  Text
out-side of boxes seems fine.  Pictures seem fine although possibly just moved
around a little.

I think annotations is a separate bug-report.
Regards from
Tom :)

PS That was kinda semi-confidential.  There were no clues about locations (even
to the nearest hemisphere), time, dates (to the nearest decade), or even events
  all best kept that way.



By annotations I meant drawing objects like lines and arrows and blocks
of text.
I don't recall having any problem with docx prior to the organisation
who sends me docx upgrading to Office 2010, so that may be a distinction.
steve



Hi,

I have also had a problem with certain parts of .docx files. More 
specifically, I have noticed that comments are not displayed/saved with 
LibreOffice when using the .docx (MS Office 2007) format.


Is there a bug report for this?


Matthew






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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

2011-05-09 Thread Manfred J. Krause

Hi,

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 04:48, Matthew Young wrote:
On 05/09/2011 08:12 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
On 2011-05-10 11:37, Tom Davies wrote:
On 9/05/11 8:54 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
[...]
[...]
[...]
Are you suggesting that LO/OOo will not display images in a text box,
but that is a valid MSO docx feature?

It would appear so. [...]

It only seems to be text inside a text-box that is being difficult at
the
moment. When a document is written normally it translates easily but
for some
reason a few people have suddenly started defaulting to using text-boxes
unnecessarily. [...]

Its not just text in a box. I have had problems with charts and may be
tables and lines and annotations from docx. [...]

Yes :( All sorts of boxes with text in them could be affected. This
looks like
the same problem. Is there a bug-report about this that can be added to?
Text
out-side of boxes seems fine. Pictures seem fine although possibly just
moved
around a little.

I think annotations is a separate bug-report.

By annotations I meant drawing objects like lines and arrows and blocks
of text.
I don't recall having any problem with docx prior to the organisation
who sends me docx upgrading to Office 2010, so that may be a distinction.

I have also had a problem with certain parts of .docx files. More
specifically, I have noticed that comments are not displayed/saved with
LibreOffice when using the .docx (MS Office 2007) format.

Is there a bug report for this?

Yes, see
Bug 33463 - Comments not saved in .docx
Status: NEW
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33463

More bug reports:
Bug list .docx
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?content=.docxproduct=LibreOfficequery_format=specificorder=bug_id%20DESCquery_based_on=

Feel free to add comments... ;)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 17:31, Joep L. Blom jlb...@neuroweave.nl wrote:
 Dotan,
 Thanks. I don't think it helps to add a me too to the claim of ubuntu
 which is not correct. I don't think it is a fault of ubuntu but of MS$ who
 tries to monopolize the office field.

No matter who is at fault for the document incompatibility issue,
Ubuntu is wrong in claiming that they ship software which is fully
compatible. You can see that a particular user is arguing that the
claim is true, so it is important that users who can objectively state
I had a major compatibility issue do so. This is not a technical
issue, it is a change to the wording of the website. If you know
Canonical, then you will know how important your mention of this issue
is on that bug.


 I can send you the file to your private mail-address but see the mail of Tom
 Davies who suspect -as I do also - it is a MS$ trick which of course is
 extremely stupid as older MSO versions cannot read the file as well.
 Joep



I was able to open and display the file only on office.live.com. No
Linux-based software (LO, OOo, Abiword, Kword) could handle it. Here
is the OOo bug, as the LO bugtracker is not working at the moment:
http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=117980



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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read


On 05/05/2011 08:08, Dotan Cohen wrote:


No matter who is at fault for the document incompatibility issue,
Ubuntu is wrong in claiming that they ship software which is fully
compatible. You can see that a particular user is arguing that the
claim is true, so it is important that users who can objectively state
I had a major compatibility issue do so. This is not a technical
issue, it is a change to the wording of the website. If you know
Canonical, then you will know how important your mention of this issue
is on that bug.




The problem is that this is a document-SPECIFIC issue, not a general 
docx bug.
Both Windows and Linux versions of LO 3.3.2 WILL open docx files. I 
generally have no problems here opening docx files in LO (bar occasional 
minor formatting problems).
This particular file is not readable by ANY version of OO or LO because 
of the silly way the creators made it.
What they did was to create a huge text box and insert all the images 
inside that text box. WHY they would think of doing that heaven only 
knows


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

I finally got the LO bugtracker to come up:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36862

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:14, Gordon Burgess-Parker
 The problem is that this is a document-SPECIFIC issue, not a general docx
 bug.
 Both Windows and Linux versions of LO 3.3.2 WILL open docx files. I
 generally have no problems here opening docx files in LO (bar occasional
 minor formatting problems).
 This particular file is not readable by ANY version of OO or LO because of
 the silly way the creators made it.
 What they did was to create a huge text box and insert all the images inside
 that text box. WHY they would think of doing that heaven only knows


Are you suggesting that LO/OOo will not display images in a text box,
but that is a valid MSO docx feature? If so, then please add that
information to the bug. However, please remember that the bugtracker
is a technical device, so just add the technical details of why the
document does not display, without the ad hominem attacks on the
document creators. Stupid or not, that is how people are creating
documents and LO must deal with it or not be compatible.

Thank you for your insight!


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read


On 05/05/2011 08:31, Dotan Cohen wrote:


Are you suggesting that LO/OOo will not display images in a text box,
but that is a valid MSO docx feature?


It would appear so.


Stupid or not, that is how people are creating
documents


I have to say it's the first time I've ever seen a document like that 
and I've been using MS Office and OO/LO for a long time!
The only possibility I can think of is that the document is actually a 
scanned image rather than a created document...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

2011-05-05 Thread Gianluca Turconi


Il 05/05/2011 9.14, Gordon Burgess-Parker ha scritto:

This particular file is not readable by ANY version of OO or LO because
of the silly way the creators made it.
What they did was to create a huge text box and insert all the images
inside that text box. WHY they would think of doing that heaven only
knows


So should the user adapt his/her work behavior to the software?

I really don't understand your statement.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read


On 05/05/2011 08:35, Gianluca Turconi wrote:

So should the user adapt his/her work behavior to the software?



Not at all. But doing what they did is a REALLY strange and obscure way 
of creating such a document - there's no reason to do what they did at 
all. Unless it's not a document they actually created but is a scanned 
image...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read


On 05/05/2011 08:31, Dotan Cohen wrote:


Are you suggesting that LO/OOo will not display images in a text box,
but that is a valid MSO docx feature?


Just tried it with a document I created in Word 2007. Looks like this 
is  bug in LO. It shows the text box but not the image in it.
Interestingly if I save the same document as a doc instead of docx then 
it displays correctly...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

Hi :)
In LO 3.3.0, .3.31  3.3.2 images in docX seemed to work.  I haven't tried them 
recently tho.  They seemed to have jumped to a slightly new position in the 
document but were easy to drag back into place as they hadn't wandered far.  
In-line pictures seemed to be a LOT better than ones in special boxes.
Regards from
Tom :)






From: Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 8:48:56
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

On 05/05/2011 08:31, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 
 Are you suggesting that LO/OOo will not display images in a text box,
 but that is a valid MSO docx feature?

Just tried it with a document I created in Word 2007. Looks like this is  bug 
in 
LO. It shows the text box but not the image in it.
Interestingly if I save the same document as a doc instead of docx then it 
displays correctly...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read


On 05/05/2011 08:58, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
In LO 3.3.0, .3.31  3.3.2 images in docX seemed to work.


Ordinary inserted images do - we are talking images inside a Text Box 
here which definitely do NOT work here in LO 3.3.2


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read


On 05/05/2011 08:58, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
In LO 3.3.0, .3.31  3.3.2 images in docX seemed to work.


In fact I have created a docx document with an ordinary inserted picture 
and a picture inserted within a text box.
On opening the file in LO the ordinary picture displays - the text box 
displays empty.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:48, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 05/05/2011 08:31, Dotan Cohen wrote:

 Are you suggesting that LO/OOo will not display images in a text box,
 but that is a valid MSO docx feature?

 Just tried it with a document I created in Word 2007. Looks like this is
  bug in LO. It shows the text box but not the image in it.
 Interestingly if I save the same document as a doc instead of docx then it
 displays correctly...


Great, thanks! Please add that info to the bug report.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

Hi :)
To some extent it is inevitable that people adapt to new ways of doing things 
because different software makes certain things easier.  Many people struggled 
with Word when it first appeared but it has become ingrained into mainstream 
society.

Many people used to touch-type with 2 hands adding in formatting as they typed 
through certain key-combinations.  In Word this is practically impossible.  
People have grown used to either 

1.  typing a bit, reach for the mouse, move back to the keyboard and try to 
find 
position often losing track of where they were on-screen and off-screen
2.  typing 1 handed with the other hand on the mouse often spending ages trying 
to work out where certain keys are on the keyboard and how to reach them 
efficiently and then losing their place in the document they were working from
3.  typing chunks of a document and then going back to add formatting later.

I remember Word-Perfect in one office that had a keyboard overlay so that you 
could see what the function-keys did.  Of course proper fast touch-typists were 
unhappy because they don't look at the keyboard because it slows down the 
typing 
or allows errors to creep into the document.  Another office had a list of the 
function-keys actions down the side of the monitor.

Word has many ways of doing things that appear easy and intuitive but that make 
document creation slow, clumsy and error-prone.  In mainstream society we are 
very used to horrible errors in documents and seldom even notice them these 
days 
- unless the document is created by something we are trying to find reasons to 
slate.  OpenOffice/LibreOffice often produce much higher quality documents by 
avoiding many of Word's formatting errors such as switching styles randomly, 
perhaps languages switching back into USA again despite global setting and 
program setting being set to local languages.

Is change always bad?  Ideally we get to keep working the way we are familiar 
with while having access to better ways that we can learn gradually, at our own 
pace.  

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Gianluca Turconi pub...@letturefantastiche.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 8:35:28
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

Il 05/05/2011 9.14, Gordon Burgess-Parker ha scritto:
 This particular file is not readable by ANY version of OO or LO because
 of the silly way the creators made it.
 What they did was to create a huge text box and insert all the images
 inside that text box. WHY they would think of doing that heaven only
 knows

So should the user adapt his/her work behavior to the software?

I really don't understand your statement.

Regards,

Gianluca
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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

Hi :)
Getting text to flow around the picture (or even across the picture) is much 
easier when the pic is in-line rather than fenced-off in a box.  There are a 
lot 
of options in Formatting.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 9:04:46
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

On 05/05/2011 08:58, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 In LO 3.3.0, .3.31  3.3.2 images in docX seemed to work.

In fact I have created a docx document with an ordinary inserted picture and a 
picture inserted within a text box.
On opening the file in LO the ordinary picture displays - the text box displays 
empty.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

Hi :)
My ex-ex-ex-ex... boss used to use boxes.  People often have trouble adding 
pictures into documents [sighs] and he would teach them his way.  I would look 
at him in horror and show the better way and then the next time he would show 
his way again.  Perhaps he released a video recently lol

A local VJ has hired a secretary and wanted me to show her how to add pictures 
because she had no idea, not even a bad idea, of how to do it.  Often 
secretaries have many tricks and knowledge of complex issues in document 
creation but bosses have a way of ignoring their skills. 

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 8:34:41
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

On 05/05/2011 08:31, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 
 Are you suggesting that LO/OOo will not display images in a text box,
 but that is a valid MSO docx feature?

It would appear so.

 Stupid or not, that is how people are creating
 documents

I have to say it's the first time I've ever seen a document like that and I've 
been using MS Office and OO/LO for a long time!
The only possibility I can think of is that the document is actually a scanned 
image rather than a created document...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

2011-05-05 Thread TomW


On 2011-05-05 03:08, Dotan Cohen wrote:

snip
I was able to open and display the file only on office.live.com. No
Linux-based software (LO, OOo, Abiword, Kword) could handle it. Here
is the OOo bug, as the LO bugtracker is not working at the moment:
http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=117980
   


Dotan:

Using LibreOffice 3.3.1  OOO330m19 (Build:8) tag libreoffice-3.3.1.2 on 
Vista Home premium.


If I try to open file from Libo, I get the blank docx as described.

If I open the file by double clicking from windows explorer, the file 
will open as a read-only document with a name: Wd004.doc in my temp 
folder.


This scenario seems familiar from the OOo lists.

TomW

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

2011-05-05 Thread timi

After all the rude comments made when I asked for Impress to be compatible with 
MS 
Powerpoint .ppt format I'm staggered at all the spluttering about the issue 
over .docx and 
images within text boxes.

In MS word/powerpoint I use textboxes with an image dropped in because then I 
can skid it 
about the page taking advantage of text formmating around the textbox. Simple - 
easy - no 
problem and if the function allows who says it's weird or you can't do it that 
way.

According to the comments regarding my Impress/powerpoint issue  I'd would 
think that 
the last thing LibO wants is to have compatibility with MS but who knows... 
Users are a 
fickle lot aren't we?


Un-Impressed Ex-Impress User

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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read


On 05/05/2011 10:59, t...@iafrica.com wrote:

In MS word/powerpoint I use textboxes with an image dropped in because then I 
can skid it
about the page taking advantage of text formmating around the textbox.
That's fine and is standard practice. What we are talking about here is 
a document that is just ONE big text box, with all the document text and 
images INSIDE the one big text box - a VERY odd thing to do...and NOT 
standard practice at ALL...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

2011-05-05 Thread Joep L. Blom


On 05/05/11 11:57, TomW wrote:

On 2011-05-05 03:08, Dotan Cohen wrote:

snip
I was able to open and display the file only on office.live.com. No
Linux-based software (LO, OOo, Abiword, Kword) could handle it. Here
is the OOo bug, as the LO bugtracker is not working at the moment:
http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=117980


Dotan:

Using LibreOffice 3.3.1 OOO330m19 (Build:8) tag libreoffice-3.3.1.2 on
Vista Home premium.

If I try to open file from Libo, I get the blank docx as described.

If I open the file by double clicking from windows explorer, the file
will open as a read-only document with a name: Wd004.doc in my temp
folder.

This scenario seems familiar from the OOo lists.

TomW

I'm impressed by all the comment on a not very important file. I don't 
know if the originators (my acquaintances) did what some thought namely 
putting all information within a text-box but I doubt it as they are not 
very computer literate.

Dotan, its interesting that you could read it with office.live.com.
I tried the site but I have to do something very scary: to get a windows 
id and give my credentials to MS$! That is too much for me. If a 
commercial robber gives you something for free than you're sure you'll 
get screwed. I admire your courage but as a private person I will stay 
on the safe side. The only MS$ products I use(d) are those that were 
sold together with afew laptops as it was practically impossible to buy 
one without the MS$ OS. To be honest I use it in a virtual environment 
as I have 2 professional programs that only will run in that environment.
Tom and Gordon, from your comment I get the impression that it is a bug 
in LO as LO will not display images and text placed in a text box I will 
look into it as I agree with others that it is not important how weird 
people construct their documents. If some construction is not allowed, 
the user should be warned.

A remain very interested in the discussion.
Joep


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Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx can't be read

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 16:52, Joep L. Blom jlb...@neuroweave.nl wrote:
 I'm impressed by all the comment on a not very important file. I don't know
 if the originators (my acquaintances) did what some thought namely putting
 all information within a text-box but I doubt it as they are not very
 computer literate.

The point is not that the file may or may not be important, or if it
was made the proper or improper way. The point is that this
perfectly valid docx file does not open in software that is designed
to be compatible with docx.


 Dotan, its interesting that you could read it with office.live.com.
 I tried the site but I have to do something very scary: to get a windows id
 and give my credentials to MS$!

Yes, I have done that.

 That is too much for me. If a commercial
 robber gives you something for free than you're sure you'll get screwed. I
 admire your courage but as a private person I will stay on the safe side.

Although I personally prefer pragmatism over idealism, I very much
honour your stance. I actually envy that I cannot disregard pragmatism
as you can do. I mean that. Do you use Debian by chance?


 The only MS$ products I use(d) are those that were sold together with afew
 laptops as it was practically impossible to buy one without the MS$ OS. To
 be honest I use it in a virtual environment as I have 2 professional
 programs that only will run in that environment.

In Microsoft's defence, I love their keyboards, I love .NET, and I've
heard very good things about their games. It's only their operating
system, office suite, and web browser that are so problematic.


 Tom and Gordon, from your comment I get the impression that it is a bug in
 LO as LO will not display images and text placed in a text box I will look
 into it as I agree with others that it is not important how weird people
 construct their documents. If some construction is not allowed, the user
 should be warned.
 A remain very interested in the discussion.
 Joep



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