Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
Hiyas, Xuekun Hu escreveu: I've sent a message a few minutes ago, ranting about the mean of simultaneous users. Here 2000 simultaneous users means 2000 connections at the same time, not the 2000 requests/s. I estimate about 150 requests/s. Those are all PHP dynamic requests. Hmm, 150 requests per second are a lot of requests, if they're all handled dynamically. Can't really say if your machine is enough to handle that much requests. In any case, I believe you're more close to the 150 simultaneous requests being processed at the same time (and 2000 idle connections, using keepalive). I would look for some kind of caching and optimization engine (zend platform, for example). You can also try to use mod_proxy or a (reverse) squid server, to cache those requests, if possible. Anyway, apache is surelly not the problem in your case (and we are starting to get offtopic on this matter). :) In resume, if you're going to serve dynamic content (be it a PHP script, CGI, SSI or the such), it is basically impossible to guess if your machine able to handle that much users. If you're only talking about static content, then, that might be doable. Personally, I would choose a worker model. :) Here I have to use prefork model due to thread_safe issue of PHP. I am not sure if worker could be used stablely with PHP with Apache2.2.x? I was not aware of the fact that you have some PHP applications. You're right to choose prefork, in this case. PHP usually links to way too many libraries, and there is no way to guarantee that all those libraries are thread safe. The worker model is well suited for static content. Also works ok if you use CGIs to generate dynamic content (but not for FastCGIs). Thx, Xuekun Regards, Domingos. -- Domingos Parra Novo Coordenador de Projetos Terra Networks Brasil S/A Tel: +55(51)3284-4275 - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
OK, to make it clearly, connection here is refering to TCP/IP connection. Apache server will keep the socket alive and such consume one thread/process. Sorry for my poor English, maybe I think simultaneous session make more sence? Thx, Xuekun On 11/15/06, Sean Conner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was thus said that the Great Xuekun Hu once stated: Thanks for replying. I've sent a message a few minutes ago, ranting about the mean of simultaneous users. Here 2000 simultaneous users means 2000 connections at the same time, not the 2000 requests/s. I estimate about 150 requests/s. Those are all PHP dynamic requests. What is your definition of a connection? I ask, because *my* definition of a connection is a TCP/IP connection, which is used to make an HTTP request. Technically, I'm still logged on to LiveJournal [1] even though it's been some eight hours or so since I last checked the site (and I've restarted my web browser since then). So I'm not in any way connected to LiveJournal, although I'm still logged on to LiveJournal. -spc (Somehow I think you're confusing users with connections) [1] http://www.livejournal.com/ - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
Hiyas, Joel Mandapat escreveu: snip The projection for number of users that the php application is around 10K simultaneous users. It is still not clear (at least to me) if you're expecting 10k (dynamic) requests per second, or just need to serve 10k users stored on a database or directory. The first one is a nightmare scenario, and you would find other problems along the way, besides your apache configuration (DB issues, network and disk IO issues, and some others). The second one (and I believe it is your case, btw), its just matter of how heavy is your PHP script, and the concurrency it will be called. i hope you can give me a sample of your httpd.conf so i can compare it with my configurations. I would be glad to, but it wouldn't be of much use to you (remember, I serve only static content, that is, images and the such), and you want a server with dynamic content (PHP, which I don't even use in large scale). can you give me factors that can improve my php dynamic website? kindly give advice to speed up dynamic php pages using apache as a webserver. There is no single advice to speed up your PHP applications. In case you're using a database (MySQL for example), try to run it on a diferent server. Zend studio/optimizer/encoder might be of some too (it is a commercial product, fyi). More memory, processors and a stronger IO might help in your case too. But those are just wild guesses, as only you know the exact size and kind of requests you'll serve. Regards, Domingos. -- Domingos Parra Novo Coordenador de Projetos Terra Networks Brasil S/A Tel: +55(51)3284-4275 - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
Hiyas, Xuekun Hu escreveu: How about 2000 simultaneous users? I plan to use DP Xeon platform with 8G ram and use Apache2.2.3 prefork. I've sent a message a few minutes ago, ranting about the mean of simultaneous users. In resume, if you're going to serve dynamic content (be it a PHP script, CGI, SSI or the such), it is basically impossible to guess if your machine able to handle that much users. If you're only talking about static content, then, that might be doable. Personally, I would choose a worker model. :) Thx, Xuekun Regards, Domingos. On 11/14/06, Domingos Parra Novo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiyas, Joshua Slive wrote: On 11/13/06, Joel Mandapat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip i have an apache 2.0.52 installed with php module. i need to load dynamic php pages. the goal is to maximize the server specs that i have. is it possible to accomodate 10,000 users all at the same time with this kind of hardware specs? Highly unlikely. I've never tried a setup like that, but do you really think one processor is capable of running 1 simultaneous memory- and processor-hungry php pages? I doubt it. A very-well-tuned server with tons of memory could probably do 10,000 simultaneous static pages, but php is a whole different story. It also depends on what you call 10,000 users. Like Joshua said, if you're talking about 10k simultaneous users, thats basically impossible to serve with only one server. Some of our fastest apache machines (serving only static content) are usually able to deliver around 6,500 hits/sec at most. And we're talking about quad Xeon machines, with 8 Gb of ram. In counterpart, each of those machines serve at least a hundred million (static) requests per day, and usually much more then 5 million distinct users per day. As you can see, it all depends on your exact needs. Regards, Domingos. -- Domingos Parra Novo Coordenador de Projetos Terra Networks Brasil S/A Tel: +55(51)3284-4275 - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Domingos Parra Novo Coordenador de Projetos Terra Networks Brasil S/A Tel: +55(51)3284-4275 - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
thanks! Domingos Parra Novo wrote: Hiyas, Joel Mandapat escreveu: snip The projection for number of users that the php application is around 10K simultaneous users. It is still not clear (at least to me) if you're expecting 10k (dynamic) requests per second, or just need to serve 10k users stored on a database or directory. The first one is a nightmare scenario, and you would find other problems along the way, besides your apache configuration (DB issues, network and disk IO issues, and some others). The second one (and I believe it is your case, btw), its just matter of how heavy is your PHP script, and the concurrency it will be called. i hope you can give me a sample of your httpd.conf so i can compare it with my configurations. I would be glad to, but it wouldn't be of much use to you (remember, I serve only static content, that is, images and the such), and you want a server with dynamic content (PHP, which I don't even use in large scale). can you give me factors that can improve my php dynamic website? kindly give advice to speed up dynamic php pages using apache as a webserver. There is no single advice to speed up your PHP applications. In case you're using a database (MySQL for example), try to run it on a diferent server. Zend studio/optimizer/encoder might be of some too (it is a commercial product, fyi). More memory, processors and a stronger IO might help in your case too. But those are just wild guesses, as only you know the exact size and kind of requests you'll serve. Regards, Domingos. -- Joel M. Mandapat Chikka Asia, Inc. 3104-B, East Tektite Towers, Philippine Stock Exchange Center Exchange Road, Ortigas Pasig City, Philippines Mobile: +639285028664 Tel: +6326316166 local 145 Fax: +6326317217 AN ISO 9001:2000; ISO 15000:2002; ISO 17799:2002 CERTIFIED COMPANY; A CMMI Maturity level 5 Organization. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.chikka.com This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message and any attachment from your system. Chikka does not accept liability for any omissions or errors in this message which may arise as a result of E-Mail-transmission or for damages resulting from any unauthorized changes of the content of this message and any attachment thereto. Chikka does not guarantee that this message is free of viruses and does not accept liability for any damages caused by any virus transmitted therewith. - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
Thanks for replying. I've sent a message a few minutes ago, ranting about the mean of simultaneous users. Here 2000 simultaneous users means 2000 connections at the same time, not the 2000 requests/s. I estimate about 150 requests/s. Those are all PHP dynamic requests. In resume, if you're going to serve dynamic content (be it a PHP script, CGI, SSI or the such), it is basically impossible to guess if your machine able to handle that much users. If you're only talking about static content, then, that might be doable. Personally, I would choose a worker model. :) Here I have to use prefork model due to thread_safe issue of PHP. I am not sure if worker could be used stablely with PHP with Apache2.2.x? Thx, Xuekun - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
It was thus said that the Great Xuekun Hu once stated: Thanks for replying. I've sent a message a few minutes ago, ranting about the mean of simultaneous users. Here 2000 simultaneous users means 2000 connections at the same time, not the 2000 requests/s. I estimate about 150 requests/s. Those are all PHP dynamic requests. What is your definition of a connection? I ask, because *my* definition of a connection is a TCP/IP connection, which is used to make an HTTP request. Technically, I'm still logged on to LiveJournal [1] even though it's been some eight hours or so since I last checked the site (and I've restarted my web browser since then). So I'm not in any way connected to LiveJournal, although I'm still logged on to LiveJournal. -spc (Somehow I think you're confusing users with connections) [1] http://www.livejournal.com/ - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
hi all, please help in tuning my apache webserver. My hardware specs are AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 248 cpu MHz : 2205.873 cache size : 1024 KB 2GB of RAM 10x100x1000 MB ethernet card (gigabit port capable) i have an apache 2.0.52 installed with php module. i need to load dynamic php pages. the goal is to maximize the server specs that i have. is it possible to accomodate 10,000 users all at the same time with this kind of hardware specs? can you give me advice in what parameters to tweak in the the httpd.conf file. thanks. -- - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
On 11/13/06, Joel Mandapat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, please help in tuning my apache webserver. My hardware specs are AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 248 cpu MHz : 2205.873 cache size : 1024 KB 2GB of RAM 10x100x1000 MB ethernet card (gigabit port capable) i have an apache 2.0.52 installed with php module. i need to load dynamic php pages. the goal is to maximize the server specs that i have. is it possible to accomodate 10,000 users all at the same time with this kind of hardware specs? Highly unlikely. I've never tried a setup like that, but do you really think one processor is capable of running 1 simultaneous memory- and processor-hungry php pages? I doubt it. A very-well-tuned server with tons of memory could probably do 10,000 simultaneous static pages, but php is a whole different story. can you give me advice in what parameters to tweak in the the httpd.conf file. thanks. Not really. In reality, almost all the performance characteristics of a problem like this are going to come from the programming of your php pages. Apache tuning will have little effect in comparison. And in any case, there is no way to give general advice. Everything depends on the exact details of your applications and load. What general advice there is can be found at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/misc/perf-tuning.html Joshua. - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
Hiyas, Joshua Slive wrote: On 11/13/06, Joel Mandapat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip i have an apache 2.0.52 installed with php module. i need to load dynamic php pages. the goal is to maximize the server specs that i have. is it possible to accomodate 10,000 users all at the same time with this kind of hardware specs? Highly unlikely. I've never tried a setup like that, but do you really think one processor is capable of running 1 simultaneous memory- and processor-hungry php pages? I doubt it. A very-well-tuned server with tons of memory could probably do 10,000 simultaneous static pages, but php is a whole different story. It also depends on what you call 10,000 users. Like Joshua said, if you're talking about 10k simultaneous users, thats basically impossible to serve with only one server. Some of our fastest apache machines (serving only static content) are usually able to deliver around 6,500 hits/sec at most. And we're talking about quad Xeon machines, with 8 Gb of ram. In counterpart, each of those machines serve at least a hundred million (static) requests per day, and usually much more then 5 million distinct users per day. As you can see, it all depends on your exact needs. Regards, Domingos. -- Domingos Parra Novo Coordenador de Projetos Terra Networks Brasil S/A Tel: +55(51)3284-4275 - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
How about 2000 simultaneous users? I plan to use DP Xeon platform with 8G ram and use Apache2.2.3 prefork. Thx, Xuekun On 11/14/06, Domingos Parra Novo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiyas, Joshua Slive wrote: On 11/13/06, Joel Mandapat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip i have an apache 2.0.52 installed with php module. i need to load dynamic php pages. the goal is to maximize the server specs that i have. is it possible to accomodate 10,000 users all at the same time with this kind of hardware specs? Highly unlikely. I've never tried a setup like that, but do you really think one processor is capable of running 1 simultaneous memory- and processor-hungry php pages? I doubt it. A very-well-tuned server with tons of memory could probably do 10,000 simultaneous static pages, but php is a whole different story. It also depends on what you call 10,000 users. Like Joshua said, if you're talking about 10k simultaneous users, thats basically impossible to serve with only one server. Some of our fastest apache machines (serving only static content) are usually able to deliver around 6,500 hits/sec at most. And we're talking about quad Xeon machines, with 8 Gb of ram. In counterpart, each of those machines serve at least a hundred million (static) requests per day, and usually much more then 5 million distinct users per day. As you can see, it all depends on your exact needs. Regards, Domingos. -- Domingos Parra Novo Coordenador de Projetos Terra Networks Brasil S/A Tel: +55(51)3284-4275 - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Forgot to mention, for PHP setup. On 11/14/06, Xuekun Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about 2000 simultaneous users? I plan to use DP Xeon platform with 8G ram and use Apache2.2.3 prefork. Thx, Xuekun - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
Hi sir, thanks for your reply. The projection for number of users that the php application is around 10K simultaneous users. i hope you can give me a sample of your httpd.conf so i can compare it with my configurations. can you give me factors that can improve my php dynamic website? kindly give advice to speed up dynamic php pages using apache as a webserver. thanks. Domingos Parra Novo wrote: Hiyas, Joshua Slive wrote: On 11/13/06, Joel Mandapat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip i have an apache 2.0.52 installed with php module. i need to load dynamic php pages. the goal is to maximize the server specs that i have. is it possible to accomodate 10,000 users all at the same time with this kind of hardware specs? Highly unlikely. I've never tried a setup like that, but do you really think one processor is capable of running 1 simultaneous memory- and processor-hungry php pages? I doubt it. A very-well-tuned server with tons of memory could probably do 10,000 simultaneous static pages, but php is a whole different story. It also depends on what you call 10,000 users. Like Joshua said, if you're talking about 10k simultaneous users, thats basically impossible to serve with only one server. Some of our fastest apache machines (serving only static content) are usually able to deliver around 6,500 hits/sec at most. And we're talking about quad Xeon machines, with 8 Gb of ram. In counterpart, each of those machines serve at least a hundred million (static) requests per day, and usually much more then 5 million distinct users per day. As you can see, it all depends on your exact needs. Regards, Domingos. -- Joel M. Mandapat - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
Hi Joshua, Thanks for ur reply. The projection of the number of users of the php application is around 10K users. I'm just wondering if tweaking of apache can help me achieve those numbers of users. but i guess not.. T_T hehe.. im wondering about how to explain this to the php programmer. can you give me some sample configurations that gave u a good benchmark results? thanks. Joshua Slive wrote: On 11/13/06, Joel Mandapat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, please help in tuning my apache webserver. My hardware specs are AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 248 cpu MHz : 2205.873 cache size : 1024 KB 2GB of RAM 10x100x1000 MB ethernet card (gigabit port capable) i have an apache 2.0.52 installed with php module. i need to load dynamic php pages. the goal is to maximize the server specs that i have. is it possible to accomodate 10,000 users all at the same time with this kind of hardware specs? Highly unlikely. I've never tried a setup like that, but do you really think one processor is capable of running 1 simultaneous memory- and processor-hungry php pages? I doubt it. A very-well-tuned server with tons of memory could probably do 10,000 simultaneous static pages, but php is a whole different story. can you give me advice in what parameters to tweak in the the httpd.conf file. thanks. Not really. In reality, almost all the performance characteristics of a problem like this are going to come from the programming of your php pages. Apache tuning will have little effect in comparison. And in any case, there is no way to give general advice. Everything depends on the exact details of your applications and load. What general advice there is can be found at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/misc/perf-tuning.html Joshua. - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Joel M. Mandapat - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
On 11/13/06, Joel Mandapat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joshua, Thanks for ur reply. The projection of the number of users of the php application is around 10K users. I'm just wondering if tweaking of apache can help me achieve those numbers of users. but i guess not.. T_T hehe.. im wondering about how to explain this to the php programmer. To achieve this, you almost certainly need to think about a bunch of servers in a load-balanced configuration. can you give me some sample configurations that gave u a good benchmark results? That would really be pointless. It all depends on the kind of load. What kind of database interaction? How big are the pages? What kind of processing needs to be done on each page? (Don't answer those questions here. They are just the type of thing that you need to discuss with a professional.) Joshua. - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache 2 webserver tuning
It was thus said that the Great Joel Mandapat once stated: Hi Joshua, Thanks for ur reply. The projection of the number of users of the php application is around 10K users. I'm just wondering if tweaking of apache can help me achieve those numbers of users. It's not users per se, but simultaneous number of connections. For instance, 10,000 requests (for a single resource, a single GET) per day is easily handled by just about any webserver (one request per 8 seonds). 10,000 requests per hour (a bit under 3 per second) sounds doable on a run of the mill server. By the time you get to 10,000 requests per minute (or 167 per second) *now* you're in the realm of performance tuning and a careful analysis if what you are trying to do. 10,000 requests *per second* is a whole other ballgame (at this point, you've outstripped the capacity of two T-1s and I doubt you'll even be able to use Apache at this point [1]). But note what I said: 10,000 simultaneous connections (that is, 10,000 active TCP/IP connections [2]). Now, you may have 10k users, but if only a few hundred are making requests *at any one time* then there's probably not much to worry about. -spc (But, you might want to read up on what a few other sites have done [3]) [1] Read http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html and if you don't understand it, then you're probably in over your head. [2] If you don't understand this, then you're probably in over your head. [3] Such as LiveJournal, Slashdot, kuro5hin, Google ... - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
