Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Stephen Davies]

On 27/11/16 16:29, Stephen Davies wrote:

On 27/11/16 15:29, Ed Greshko wrote:



On 11/27/16 12:50, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 11/26/2016 08:48 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:

Both of these worked fine with F23. The upgrade somehow broke them.
Nothing else has changed since yesterday when everything worked as
expected.


Yes, there was some change from 23 to 24 that sometimes caused that
problem.  Try
enabling sddm or find out which window manager is used for login for KDE.



Well, FWIW, any window manager will work just fine.  I have two systems
installed with
both GNOME and KDE as options.  One is running GDM and the other SDDM.  No
issues.

I'm not certain, but I believe F23 used to use KDM.

So, yes, the OP should ensure that one of those are enabled and that it
started properly.

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ systemctl status sddm
● sddm.service - Simple Desktop Display Manager
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/sddm.service; enabled; vendor
preset: ena
   Active: active (running) since Tue 2016-11-22 07:37:06 CST; 5 days ago
 Docs: man:sddm(1)
   man:sddm.conf(5)
 Main PID: 1257 (sddm)
Tasks: 3 (limit: 512)
   CGroup: /system.slice/sddm.service
   ├─1257 /usr/bin/sddm
   └─5283 /usr/libexec/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth
/var/run/sddm/{16a38934-d60d

Nov 22 07:37:06 meimei systemd[1]: Started Simple Desktop Display Manager.


for example.





I think you are correct regarding F23 in that I have KDM installed (but now
disabled) but neither GDM nor SDDM is installed.

I shall try installing and enabling SDDM.

Cheers and thanks,
Stephen
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Installing SDDM did the trick.
I didn't need to enable it. The install did that too.
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Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Stephen Davies]

On 27/11/16 15:29, Ed Greshko wrote:



On 11/27/16 12:50, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 11/26/2016 08:48 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:

Both of these worked fine with F23. The upgrade somehow broke them.
Nothing else has changed since yesterday when everything worked as
expected.


Yes, there was some change from 23 to 24 that sometimes caused that problem.  
Try
enabling sddm or find out which window manager is used for login for KDE.



Well, FWIW, any window manager will work just fine.  I have two systems 
installed with
both GNOME and KDE as options.  One is running GDM and the other SDDM.  No 
issues.

I'm not certain, but I believe F23 used to use KDM.

So, yes, the OP should ensure that one of those are enabled and that it started 
properly.

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ systemctl status sddm
● sddm.service - Simple Desktop Display Manager
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/sddm.service; enabled; vendor 
preset: ena
   Active: active (running) since Tue 2016-11-22 07:37:06 CST; 5 days ago
 Docs: man:sddm(1)
   man:sddm.conf(5)
 Main PID: 1257 (sddm)
Tasks: 3 (limit: 512)
   CGroup: /system.slice/sddm.service
   ├─1257 /usr/bin/sddm
   └─5283 /usr/libexec/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth 
/var/run/sddm/{16a38934-d60d

Nov 22 07:37:06 meimei systemd[1]: Started Simple Desktop Display Manager.


for example.





I think you are correct regarding F23 in that I have KDM installed (but now 
disabled) but neither GDM nor SDDM is installed.


I shall try installing and enabling SDDM.

Cheers and thanks,
Stephen
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Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/27/16 12:57, Stephen Davies wrote:
> On 27/11/16 15:22, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/27/16 11:58, Stephen Davies wrote:
>>> I also seem to have lost some libraries. e.g. the 32-bit version of 
>>> libncurses.so.5
>>
>> FYI
>>
>> [egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf whatprovides /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5
>>
>> ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-6.20160709.fc24.i686 : Ncurses compatibility 
>> libraries
>> Repo: @System
>>
>> ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-5.20160116.fc24.i686 : Ncurses compatibility 
>> libraries
>> Repo: fedora
>>
>> ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-6.20160709.fc24.i686 : Ncurses compatibility 
>> libraries
>> Repo: updates
>>
>> [egreshko@meimei ~]$ rpm -q ncurses-compat-libs
>> ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-6.20160709.fc24.x86_64
>> ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-6.20160709.fc24.i686
>>
>> So, if you "lost" that just make sure they are installed/updated.
>>
> Sure enough, ncurses-compat-libs for i686 had become "uninstalled".
> Why do these things break at upgrade?
>

Well, usually they "break" when the upgrade process determines that no other 
package uses
that library. 



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Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/27/16 12:50, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 11/26/2016 08:48 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:
>> Both of these worked fine with F23. The upgrade somehow broke them.
>> Nothing else has changed since yesterday when everything worked as
>> expected.
>
> Yes, there was some change from 23 to 24 that sometimes caused that problem.  
> Try
> enabling sddm or find out which window manager is used for login for KDE.
>

Well, FWIW, any window manager will work just fine.  I have two systems 
installed with
both GNOME and KDE as options.  One is running GDM and the other SDDM.  No 
issues. 

I'm not certain, but I believe F23 used to use KDM. 

So, yes, the OP should ensure that one of those are enabled and that it started 
properly.

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ systemctl status sddm
● sddm.service - Simple Desktop Display Manager
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/sddm.service; enabled; vendor 
preset: ena
   Active: active (running) since Tue 2016-11-22 07:37:06 CST; 5 days ago
 Docs: man:sddm(1)
   man:sddm.conf(5)
 Main PID: 1257 (sddm)
Tasks: 3 (limit: 512)
   CGroup: /system.slice/sddm.service
   ├─1257 /usr/bin/sddm
   └─5283 /usr/libexec/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth 
/var/run/sddm/{16a38934-d60d

Nov 22 07:37:06 meimei systemd[1]: Started Simple Desktop Display Manager.


for example.


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Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Stephen Davies]

On 27/11/16 15:22, Ed Greshko wrote:



On 11/27/16 11:58, Stephen Davies wrote:

I also seem to have lost some libraries. e.g. the 32-bit version of 
libncurses.so.5


FYI

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf whatprovides /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5

ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-6.20160709.fc24.i686 : Ncurses compatibility libraries
Repo: @System

ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-5.20160116.fc24.i686 : Ncurses compatibility libraries
Repo: fedora

ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-6.20160709.fc24.i686 : Ncurses compatibility libraries
Repo: updates

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ rpm -q ncurses-compat-libs
ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-6.20160709.fc24.x86_64
ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-6.20160709.fc24.i686

So, if you "lost" that just make sure they are installed/updated.


Sure enough, ncurses-compat-libs for i686 had become "uninstalled".
Why do these things break at upgrade?

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Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/27/16 11:58, Stephen Davies wrote:
> I also seem to have lost some libraries. e.g. the 32-bit version of 
> libncurses.so.5 

FYI

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf whatprovides /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5

ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-6.20160709.fc24.i686 : Ncurses compatibility libraries
Repo: @System

ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-5.20160116.fc24.i686 : Ncurses compatibility libraries
Repo: fedora

ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-6.20160709.fc24.i686 : Ncurses compatibility libraries
Repo: updates

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ rpm -q ncurses-compat-libs
ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-6.20160709.fc24.x86_64
ncurses-compat-libs-6.0-6.20160709.fc24.i686

So, if you "lost" that just make sure they are installed/updated.

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Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/26/2016 08:46 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:

On 27/11/16 15:13, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 11/26/2016 07:58 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:

Several daemons failed to start at reboot. These include all those in
rc.local (yes. I do still have a few.) and openvpn.

Running rc.local manually works and starting openvpn manually with
systemctl also works.


systemctl enable rc-local.service and systemctl enable openvpn@yourvpn


Both have been enabled ever since systemctl was introduced and, as I
said earlier, manually entering systemctl start openvpn@server works.


Were enabled, but are they still enabled?  Sometimes the settings change 
over versions.

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Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/26/2016 08:49 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:



On 11/27/16 12:43, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 11/26/2016 07:58 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:

Several daemons failed to start at reboot. These include all those in
rc.local (yes. I do still have a few.) and openvpn.

Running rc.local manually works and starting openvpn manually with
systemctl also works.


systemctl enable rc-local.service and systemctl enable openvpn@yourvpn



There is no need to enable rc-local since it is a "static" service.

All that is required is that /etc/rc.d/rc.local is executable.

See the comments in /usr/lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service for details.

Ok, thanks.  I've never used it yet, but now I do remember a thread on 
that a while back.

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Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/26/2016 08:48 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:

Both of these worked fine with F23. The upgrade somehow broke them.
Nothing else has changed since yesterday when everything worked as
expected.


Yes, there was some change from 23 to 24 that sometimes caused that 
problem.  Try enabling sddm or find out which window manager is used for 
login for KDE.

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Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/27/16 12:43, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 11/26/2016 07:58 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:
>> Several daemons failed to start at reboot. These include all those in
>> rc.local (yes. I do still have a few.) and openvpn.
>>
>> Running rc.local manually works and starting openvpn manually with
>> systemctl also works.
>>
> systemctl enable rc-local.service and systemctl enable openvpn@yourvpn
>

There is no need to enable rc-local since it is a "static" service.

All that is required is that /etc/rc.d/rc.local is executable.

See the comments in /usr/lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service for details.


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Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Stephen Davies]

On 27/11/16 15:14, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 11/26/2016 07:58 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:

I have just completed the upgrade from F23 to F24 and rebooted to the
new version.

The system now boots to console mode and I have to login and type startx
to get to KDE.
F23 started X and KDE automagically.


I think you have to enable the display manager, but I don't use KDE, so I'm
not sure which one it is.  I think it's sddm, so try systemctl enable sddm.


I also seem to have lost some libraries. e.g. the 32-bit version of
libncurses.so.5


No idea, was it a third-party application that required it?
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Both of these worked fine with F23. The upgrade somehow broke them.
Nothing else has changed since yesterday when everything worked as expected.
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Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Stephen Davies]

On 27/11/16 15:13, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 11/26/2016 07:58 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:

Several daemons failed to start at reboot. These include all those in
rc.local (yes. I do still have a few.) and openvpn.

Running rc.local manually works and starting openvpn manually with
systemctl also works.


systemctl enable rc-local.service and systemctl enable openvpn@yourvpn
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Both have been enabled ever since systemctl was introduced and, as I said 
earlier, manually entering systemctl start openvpn@server works.


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Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/26/2016 07:58 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:

I have just completed the upgrade from F23 to F24 and rebooted to the
new version.

The system now boots to console mode and I have to login and type startx
to get to KDE.
F23 started X and KDE automagically.

I think you have to enable the display manager, but I don't use KDE, so 
I'm not sure which one it is.  I think it's sddm, so try systemctl 
enable sddm.



I also seem to have lost some libraries. e.g. the 32-bit version of
libncurses.so.5


No idea, was it a third-party application that required it?
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Re: No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/26/2016 07:58 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:

Several daemons failed to start at reboot. These include all those in
rc.local (yes. I do still have a few.) and openvpn.

Running rc.local manually works and starting openvpn manually with
systemctl also works.


systemctl enable rc-local.service and systemctl enable openvpn@yourvpn
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No X/KDE after upgrade to F24

[Stephen Davies]

I have just completed the upgrade from F23 to F24 and rebooted to the new 
version.

The system now boots to console mode and I have to login and type startx to 
get to KDE.

F23 started X and KDE automagically.

I also seem to have lost some libraries. e.g. the 32-bit version of 
libncurses.so.5


Several daemons failed to start at reboot. These include all those in rc.local 
(yes. I do still have a few.) and openvpn.


Running rc.local manually works and starting openvpn manually with systemctl 
also works.


What could cause these issues?

Cheers and thanks,
Stephen
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Re: Fedora 24 -> 25 upgrade smooth and successful (but for one small vpn openconnect issue)

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 17:46:35 -0800 Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 11/26/2016 04:04 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:53:55 -0800 Samuel Sieb  wrote:
> >> On 11/26/2016 10:36 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> >>> Could not load editor VPN plugin for 
> >>> 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.openconnect' (missing plugin file 
> >>> "/usr/lib64/NetworkManager/libnm-vpn-plugin-openconnect-editor.so")
> >>>

> >
> It's actually NetworkManager-openconnect-gnome that you need, which also 
> explains why it wasn't included because it's a new package.

I see: I am surprised that it did not add this package during the upgrade, 
because it seems that NetworkManager-openconnect is pointless now without it. 
(I installed it and it works fine, so thanks again for that!)

> > Sorry, my musings were not clear. I was thinking that a lot fewer of the 
> > files/rpms being upgraded have anything to do with the system. So, perhaps 
> > these rpms (eg kernel, glibc, openssh, etc) should be upgraded before boot 
> > and then once the user logs back in with the new system files, then s/he 
> > can continue working while other files (eg. firefox)  get upgraded after 
> > login. Then waits of as much as 30-35 minutes for some of my systems could 
> > have been obviated. That is a suggestion which may not be possible to 
> > implement (but perhaps some modified version can be).
> >
> That would be very difficult and not possible anyway, because you will 
> have mismatched library requirements during the second part.

I wonder if this would be impossible to implement, completely. After all, we do 
go through updates just fine, when whole libraries are updated sometimes. It 
depends on how it is/can be done.

Thanks,
Ranjan
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Re: Fedora 24 -> 25 upgrade smooth and successful (but for one small vpn openconnect issue)

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/26/2016 04:04 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:53:55 -0800 Samuel Sieb  wrote:

On 11/26/2016 10:36 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

Could not load editor VPN plugin for 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.openconnect' 
(missing plugin file 
"/usr/lib64/NetworkManager/libnm-vpn-plugin-openconnect-editor.so")


What does "rpm -q NetworkManager-openconnect" show?  If it says not
installed, then run "dnf install NetworkManager-openconnect".


$ rpm -q NetworkManager-openconnect
NetworkManager-openconnect-1.2.3-0.20160606git5009f9.fc25.x86_64

It is indeed, installed (as it was before the upgrade).




Where do I get this plugin, and more importantly, why is it not pulled in with 
an upgrade/install?


That's a good question.


Yes, indeed, so where do I find the solution?

It's actually NetworkManager-openconnect-gnome that you need, which also 
explains why it wasn't included because it's a new package.



As an aside, while very smooth, I think that the upgrade itself can do with a 
bit more installation before the reboot: perhaps some of the things that are 
applications can be installed after the other ones have upgraded and after the 
system has come up since upgrade during the boot process leaves the computer 
pretty unusable. Just a thought: I have no idea if it is possible to implement 
what I am suggesting (or something similar) but I want to stress again that 
this was a very smooth upgrade in general.


Sorry, I have no idea what you are saying here.  Can you try explaining
again?


Sorry, my musings were not clear. I was thinking that a lot fewer of the 
files/rpms being upgraded have anything to do with the system. So, perhaps 
these rpms (eg kernel, glibc, openssh, etc) should be upgraded before boot and 
then once the user logs back in with the new system files, then s/he can 
continue working while other files (eg. firefox)  get upgraded after login. 
Then waits of as much as 30-35 minutes for some of my systems could have been 
obviated. That is a suggestion which may not be possible to implement (but 
perhaps some modified version can be).

That would be very difficult and not possible anyway, because you will 
have mismatched library requirements during the second part.

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Re: Firewall methods for fedora25

[Richard Shaw]

I've only got this working with sshd which was my main concern but I have
the following that seems to work:

In /etc/fail2ban/jail.d:
$ ll
total 16
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 270 Oct  3 17:43 00-firewalld.conf
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 272 Oct  3 17:43 00-systemd.conf
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root  40 Mar 19  2014 fedora-firewalld.local
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root  48 Mar  1  2015 sshd.local

$ cat fedora-firewalld.local
[DEFAULT]
banaction = firewallcmd-ipset

$ cat sshd.local
[DEFAULT]
bantime = 3600

[sshd]
enabled = true


I agree though that the firewalld and fail2ban maintainers should get
together and find a way to support this automatically.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Fedora 24 -> 25 upgrade smooth and successful (but for one small vpn openconnect issue)

[Ranjan Maitra]

Samuel,

Thanks for the response!

On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:53:55 -0800 Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 11/26/2016 10:36 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > Could not load editor VPN plugin for 
> > 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.openconnect' (missing plugin file 
> > "/usr/lib64/NetworkManager/libnm-vpn-plugin-openconnect-editor.so")
> >
> What does "rpm -q NetworkManager-openconnect" show?  If it says not 
> installed, then run "dnf install NetworkManager-openconnect".

$ rpm -q NetworkManager-openconnect
NetworkManager-openconnect-1.2.3-0.20160606git5009f9.fc25.x86_64

It is indeed, installed (as it was before the upgrade).

> 
> > Where do I get this plugin, and more importantly, why is it not pulled in 
> > with an upgrade/install?
> >
> That's a good question.

Yes, indeed, so where do I find the solution?

> > As an aside, while very smooth, I think that the upgrade itself can do with 
> > a bit more installation before the reboot: perhaps some of the things that 
> > are applications can be installed after the other ones have upgraded and 
> > after the system has come up since upgrade during the boot process leaves 
> > the computer pretty unusable. Just a thought: I have no idea if it is 
> > possible to implement what I am suggesting (or something similar) but I 
> > want to stress again that this was a very smooth upgrade in general.
> >
> Sorry, I have no idea what you are saying here.  Can you try explaining 
> again?

Sorry, my musings were not clear. I was thinking that a lot fewer of the 
files/rpms being upgraded have anything to do with the system. So, perhaps 
these rpms (eg kernel, glibc, openssh, etc) should be upgraded before boot and 
then once the user logs back in with the new system files, then s/he can 
continue working while other files (eg. firefox)  get upgraded after login. 
Then waits of as much as 30-35 minutes for some of my systems could have been 
obviated. That is a suggestion which may not be possible to implement (but 
perhaps some modified version can be).

Thanks again! 

Best wishes,
Ranjan
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Re: Nvidia drivers on F25

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2016-11-27 at 07:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > On checking the Nvidia page I see that the 375.xx series does support
> > the GT630, which is my card. It was released by Nvidia on Nov. 18
> > according to http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/111596 though
> > RPMfusion doesn't seem to have it yet.
> 
> They are there, and have been for the past 2 days.  Prior to that, they were 
> in
> updates-testing of rpmfusion.

Got it, thanks. Turned out that dnf needed refreshing. It was 3 days
old (since I updated to F25). I almost never needed to refresh manually
on F24 so I don't know if this is a change or a temporary hiccup.

poc
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Re: Nvidia drivers on F25

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/27/16 01:21, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2016-11-26 at 22:28 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 11/26/16 22:20, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> Apparently Nvidia has yet to release F25 drivers for the GEforce 6
>>> series among others. Is this correct?
>>>
>>> I'm currently using Nouveau and it's fine so far but I haven't stressed
>>> it much and would like to have the option.
>> I believe you're talking about the 304.xx series drivers and support for 
>> Xorg 1.19.
>>
>> If that is the case, the answer is no.  And, I doubt they will considering 
>> the age factor.
>>
> On checking the Nvidia page I see that the 375.xx series does support
> the GT630, which is my card. It was released by Nvidia on Nov. 18
> according to http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/111596 though
> RPMfusion doesn't seem to have it yet.

They are there, and have been for the past 2 days.  Prior to that, they were in
updates-testing of rpmfusion.

akmod-nvidia.x86_64  1:375.20-1.fc25
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates
kmod-nvidia.x86_64   1:375.20-1.fc25
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia.x86_64   1:375.20-1.fc25
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda.i6861:375.20-1.fc25
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda.x86_64  1:375.20-1.fc25
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-devel.i686   1:375.20-1.fc25
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-devel.x86_64 1:375.20-1.fc25
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-kmodsrc.x86_64   1:375.20-1.fc25
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs.i6861:375.20-1.fc25
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates
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Re: Fedora 24 -> 25 upgrade smooth and successful (but for one small vpn openconnect issue)

[Joe Zeff]

On 11/26/2016 10:36 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

As an aside, while very smooth, I think that the upgrade itself can do with a 
bit more installation before the reboot: perhaps some of the things that are 
applications can be installed after the other ones have upgraded and after the 
system has come up since upgrade during the boot process leaves the computer 
pretty unusable. Just a thought: I have no idea if it is possible to implement 
what I am suggesting (or something similar) but I want to stress again that 
this was a very smooth upgrade in general.


Personally, I've always thought it was a waste of time to reboot, 
upgrade and reboot again.  Download everything, upgrade and reboot once 
seems much more time effective.

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Re: Fedora 24 -> 25 upgrade smooth and successful (but for one small vpn openconnect issue)

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/26/2016 10:36 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

Could not load editor VPN plugin for 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.openconnect' 
(missing plugin file 
"/usr/lib64/NetworkManager/libnm-vpn-plugin-openconnect-editor.so")

What does "rpm -q NetworkManager-openconnect" show?  If it says not 
installed, then run "dnf install NetworkManager-openconnect".



Where do I get this plugin, and more importantly, why is it not pulled in with 
an upgrade/install?


That's a good question.


As an aside, while very smooth, I think that the upgrade itself can do with a 
bit more installation before the reboot: perhaps some of the things that are 
applications can be installed after the other ones have upgraded and after the 
system has come up since upgrade during the boot process leaves the computer 
pretty unusable. Just a thought: I have no idea if it is possible to implement 
what I am suggesting (or something similar) but I want to stress again that 
this was a very smooth upgrade in general.

Sorry, I have no idea what you are saying here.  Can you try explaining 
again?

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Fedora 24 -> 25 upgrade smooth and successful (but for one small vpn openconnect issue)

[Ranjan Maitra]

Hi,

I have upgraded all my machines (3 laptops, 2 desktop warhorses) using fedup 
and all went smoothly. The only thing that does not work is openconnect with 
NetworkManager. I got the following when I looked into it.

Could not load editor VPN plugin for 
'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.openconnect' (missing plugin file 
"/usr/lib64/NetworkManager/libnm-vpn-plugin-openconnect-editor.so")

Where do I get this plugin, and more importantly, why is it not pulled in with 
an upgrade/install?

As an aside, while very smooth, I think that the upgrade itself can do with a 
bit more installation before the reboot: perhaps some of the things that are 
applications can be installed after the other ones have upgraded and after the 
system has come up since upgrade during the boot process leaves the computer 
pretty unusable. Just a thought: I have no idea if it is possible to implement 
what I am suggesting (or something similar) but I want to stress again that 
this was a very smooth upgrade in general.

Thanks, Fedora developers!!

Best wishes,
Ranjan

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Re: Nvidia drivers on F25

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2016-11-26 at 22:28 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> 
> On 11/26/16 22:20, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Apparently Nvidia has yet to release F25 drivers for the GEforce 6
> > series among others. Is this correct?
> > 
> > I'm currently using Nouveau and it's fine so far but I haven't stressed
> > it much and would like to have the option.
> 
> I believe you're talking about the 304.xx series drivers and support for Xorg 
> 1.19.
> 
> If that is the case, the answer is no.  And, I doubt they will considering 
> the age factor.
> 

On checking the Nvidia page I see that the 375.xx series does support
the GT630, which is my card. It was released by Nvidia on Nov. 18
according to http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/111596 though
RPMfusion doesn't seem to have it yet.

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Re: F25: Howto remove wayland from Fedora Workstation (gnome)

[Matthew Miller]

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 10:03:16PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> I do not believe that Xfce has been updated to support wayland.  I don't have 
> it
> installed, but I believe if you open a terminal and check for the environment 
> variables it
> will tell you if you're running a wayland session.
> WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-0

or $ echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE

which will give either x11 or wayland.

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Re: F25: Howto remove wayland from Fedora Workstation (gnome)

[Matthew Miller]

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 11:29:28AM +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> > On the login screen, click the little gear. Choose "GNOME on X11".
> Is there a similar method for XFCE? The new font rendering is simply
> disgusting, especially in Firefox and Thunderbird.

The Xfce session is currently already only X11, not Wayland. Your font
rendering issue is something different.


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Re: F25 XFCE font rendering

[Heinz Diehl]

On 26.11.2016, Fred Smith wrote: 

> So, there's no need to go hacking amongst system config files!

The option you mention is not present in F25/XFCE, but in the
"Appearance" menue. Anyway, hacking in the system config is definitely
needed, because there are programs that presumably do not obey the
antialiasing and hinting settings, as e.g. firefox or thunderbird,
while others do.

I'll take a closer look at the remaining F24 system, where this wasn't
of any problem. I bet it has to do with the file mentioned before.
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Re: F25 XFCE font rendering

[Heinz Diehl]

On 26.11.2016, Sam Varshavchik wrote: 

> I haven't noticed any changes in font rendering. Perhaps this is something
> specific to your video hardware.

No, it's definitely not. I have the same phenomenon on (now) three different
machines. One has nvidia graphics, one AMD and one Intel Ironlake. On
all three, changing the file mentioned in the mail before made the
font sharp and crisp again.

If you use stock Fedora fonts, it may be that is why you didn't notice
the effect. I have always hated blurry fonts, and highly prefer "as
sharp and clear as possible".

What I'm doing is:

1. Recompiling freetype with subpixel rendering and the bytecode
interpreter enabled.

2. Setting antialiasing and hinting to "max" (Applications -> Settings
-> Appearance -> Fonts).

That sufficed to get the desired "as sharp as possible" effect, until
F25. While most of the fonts where as sharp and crisp as before using
1 and 2, some were not, as e.g. in Firefox, Thunderbird and some other
programs. Most probably because they obey the systemwide font
config. This obviously wasn't the case in previous Fedora releases. As
a "sharp and crisp" freak, I can tell that there's a *huge* difference
if a font is slightly or fully hinted.
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Re: F25 XFCE font rendering

[Fred Smith]

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 04:27:37PM +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 26.11.2016, Tom Horsley wrote: 
> 
> > /etc/fonts/conf.d/10-autohint.conf
> 
> Thanks a lot, you saved my day!
> 
> But it was not the 10-autohint.conf. When I looked into the
> /etc/fonts/conf.d directory, I noticed a file called
> "10-hinting-slight.conf". After changing it to perform "hintfull", all
> is pretty much sharp and clear, just as it was in pre-F25.

I'm not running Fedora or Gnome at this moment, so I may be barking
up the wrong tree here:

I've always found (on RHEL or centos) that you can right-click on the
desktop background, choose "change desktop background", then click on
the fonts tab. Once there you'll be able to choose (under Rendering)
several choices for the amount of detail you want in the fonts (where
I assume that the more detail the more CPU is required). you can
choose "monochrome", "best shapes", "best contrast", or "subpixel smoothing".

then click the details button and you have additional settings, you can
choose among 3 settings for "smoothing", and four for "hinting". I always
choose the "best" settings for all 3 of those properties, and I find
the fonts look pretty good.

on that details screen you can also choose subpixel order, where I
assume the choice should match how  your display hardware works. How
does one know how it works? I don't have any wisdom here, but I think
you could examine the left edge and top edge of the LCD screen with a
magnifier powerful enough to see the subpixels. Probably the defaul of
"RGB" is correct for most screens, though.

So, there's no need to go hacking amongst system config files!

Fred

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Re: F25 XFCE font rendering

[Sam Varshavchik]

Heinz Diehl writes:


Hi,

updated two machines from F24 to F25, and now the fonts configured in
Applications -> Settings -> Appearance are no longer on the same level
of sharpness/clarity as they were in previous Fedora releases.


I haven't noticed any changes in font rendering. Perhaps this is something  
specific to your video hardware.





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Re: F25 XFCE font rendering

[Heinz Diehl]

On 26.11.2016, Tom Horsley wrote: 

> /etc/fonts/conf.d/10-autohint.conf

Thanks a lot, you saved my day!

But it was not the 10-autohint.conf. When I looked into the
/etc/fonts/conf.d directory, I noticed a file called
"10-hinting-slight.conf". After changing it to perform "hintfull", all
is pretty much sharp and clear, just as it was in pre-F25.

Again thanks!

Heinz
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Re: F25 XFCE font rendering

[Tom Horsley]

On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 15:34:11 +0100
Heinz Diehl wrote:

> Does anybody know what's going on and what I can do to get back
> pre-F25 behaviour?

I don't know if it will help, but I've always found this
file to make all fonts look better:

/etc/fonts/conf.d/10-autohint.conf




 
  
true
  


Haven't tried it on f25 yet so I don't know if it works
there or not.

I have always found default fonts in fedora to be inferior to just
about every other linux release, with ubuntu always seeming to
have the most readable default fonts. Possibly f25 has just
switched all the themes to a different default font which looks
worse, so the hinting above might not help.
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F25 Wayland on Optimus-enabled laptops

[Link Dupont]

Two headline features of Fedora 25 are:

- Wayland by default
- Initial support for PRIME offload rendering for NVIDIA Optimus
laptops

My laptop has a dual GPU setup (Skylake + GTX 970), but I can't seem to
start a Wayland session at all. GDM even runs using Xorg, and the
"GNOME" session logs in using Xorg.

I checked my initramfs, but it includes the drm module, as well as both
kernel modules: nouveau.ko and i915.ko. From a console session, I can
start weston (weston-launch), but I can't start gnome-shell (dbus-run-
session -- gnome-shell --display-server --wayland). It errors with:

mutter-WARNING **: Can't initialize KMS backend: could not find drm kms
device.

The Wayland session worked in F24, so I'm guessing this is because of
the dual-GPU support enabled in F25. Should these two features be
mutually exclusive? Should I expect wayland *or* GPU render offloading?

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F25 XFCE font rendering

[Heinz Diehl]

Hi,

updated two machines from F24 to F25, and now the fonts configured in
Applications -> Settings -> Appearance are no longer on the same level
of sharpness/clarity as they were in previous Fedora releases.
It is considerably visible in Thunderbird and Firefox. While there was
no problem to get clear and sharp fonts using antialiasing and
hinting, it now seems to be impossible, at least in programs that
adapt their fonts from the above mentioned setting.

Does anybody know what's going on and what I can do to get back
pre-F25 behaviour?

Thanks,
 Heinz
 
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Re: Nvidia drivers on F25

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/26/16 22:20, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Apparently Nvidia has yet to release F25 drivers for the GEforce 6
> series among others. Is this correct?
>
> I'm currently using Nouveau and it's fine so far but I haven't stressed
> it much and would like to have the option.

I believe you're talking about the 304.xx series drivers and support for Xorg 
1.19.

If that is the case, the answer is no.  And, I doubt they will considering the 
age factor.

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Re: F25: Howto remove wayland from Fedora Workstation (gnome)

[Heinz Diehl]

On 26.11.2016, Ed Greshko wrote: 

> I do not believe that Xfce has been updated to support wayland.

Thanks, you're right.
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Nvidia drivers on F25

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

Apparently Nvidia has yet to release F25 drivers for the GEforce 6
series among others. Is this correct?

I'm currently using Nouveau and it's fine so far but I haven't stressed
it much and would like to have the option.

poc
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Re: F25: Howto remove wayland from Fedora Workstation (gnome)

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/26/16 22:07, Andras Simon wrote:
> 2016-11-23 18:06 GMT+01:00, Dario Lesca :
>> ... Or finally disable it
>>
>> Wayland Do not work great like Xorg, and I do not have time to wait for
>> all bugs are removed
>>
> Can't one simply dnf erase a few packages?
>

You could probably try removing gnome-session-wayland-session.

Removing plasma-workspace-wayland will delete the option to run KDE with 
wayland.

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Re: F25: Howto remove wayland from Fedora Workstation (gnome)

[Andras Simon]

2016-11-23 18:06 GMT+01:00, Dario Lesca :
> ... Or finally disable it
>
> Wayland Do not work great like Xorg, and I do not have time to wait for
> all bugs are removed
>

Can't one simply dnf erase a few packages?

Andras
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Re: Google chrome gets deadlocked on F25

[Paul Smith]

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>> Yes, Ed, I can now confirm that disabling gpu when calling Chrome
>> fizes the problem.
>>
>> My video hardware and drivers are below.
>
> OK  I have no similar HW available to me to test.  :-(

Thanks anyway, Ed. Since with gpu disabling Chromes works fine, there
is no major problem!

Have a nice weekend,

Paul
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Re: F25: Howto remove wayland from Fedora Workstation (gnome)

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/26/16 18:29, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 23.11.2016, Matthew Miller wrote: 
>
>> On the login screen, click the little gear. Choose "GNOME on X11".
> Is there a similar method for XFCE? The new font rendering is simply
> disgusting, especially in Firefox and Thunderbird.
>

I do not believe that Xfce has been updated to support wayland.  I don't have it
installed, but I believe if you open a terminal and check for the environment 
variables it
will tell you if you're running a wayland session.

WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-0

or something similar will show.  This is what shows when running GNOME or KDE 
with wayland.

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Re: F25: Howto remove wayland from Fedora Workstation (gnome)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2016-11-26 at 08:25 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > It is a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a gnome
> > developer's brain
> 
> And the other mystery is how the devil to get gmail
> to not bottom quote (sorry about that - I don't normally
> use the gmail web interface :-).

Gmail top-quotes by default. It bottom-quotes when you preselect some
text before hitting Reply.

poc
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Re: F25: Howto remove wayland from Fedora Workstation (gnome)

[Tom Horsley]

> It is a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a gnome
> developer's brain

And the other mystery is how the devil to get gmail
to not bottom quote (sorry about that - I don't normally
use the gmail web interface :-).
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Re: F25: Howto remove wayland from Fedora Workstation (gnome)

[Thomas Horsley]

I figured this would be easy: Just look in the .desktop files in
/usr/share/xsessions and see what is different about gnome and gnome
on xorg.
But no. It is a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a gnome
developer's brain: Both gnome desktop files execute gnome-session the
exact same way.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Heinz Diehl  wrote:
> On 23.11.2016, Matthew Miller wrote:
>
>> On the login screen, click the little gear. Choose "GNOME on X11".
>
> Is there a similar method for XFCE? The new font rendering is simply
> disgusting, especially in Firefox and Thunderbird.
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Re: Firewall methods for fedora25

[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 20:31:13 -0500
Alex wrote:

> firewalld just doesn't seem to be appropriate for anything more than a
> desktop.

systemctl list-unit-files | fgrep firewall

systemctl disable 
systemctl mask 

Now firewalld is an inert lump.

systemctl enable iptables.service ip6tables.service

Now you have iptables back.
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Re: Firewall methods for fedora25

[Heinz Diehl]

On 26.11.2016, Alex wrote: 

> firewalld just doesn't seem to be appropriate for anything more than a
> desktop. I'd appreciate any ideas on how you build a firewall for
> fedora servers, particularly as it relates to interoperating with
> fail2ban and standard Internet services.

Just disable it entirely and install shorewall. That's what I'm used
to do.
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Re: Desktop icons on Fedora 25??

[Heinz Diehl]

On 23.11.2016, Joe Zeff wrote: 

> Thank you.  I stopped using Gnome when I heard what Gnome 3 was going to be
> like, and you just gave me another reason not to go back.

Me too ;-)
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Re: F25: Howto remove wayland from Fedora Workstation (gnome)

[Heinz Diehl]

On 23.11.2016, Matthew Miller wrote: 

> On the login screen, click the little gear. Choose "GNOME on X11".

Is there a similar method for XFCE? The new font rendering is simply
disgusting, especially in Firefox and Thunderbird.
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Re: Firefox troubles & KDE Plasma Workspace Crash

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/26/2016 12:21 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:

If I open too many tabs in Firefox, it becomes extremely slow, sometimes
too slow to be usable.  If I terminate it when it's slow, very
frequently KDE's Plasma Workspace (shell) crashes; fortunately Plasma
Workspace always restarts quickly.  The bug can't be reported by
gnome-abrt, since the memory dump is too large.  Has anyone else seen this?

I have a lot of tabs open in firefox and it does start getting slow 
after a while.  It depends a lot on what websites you have loaded.  When 
Firefox gets slow like that, open a terminal and run the "top" command. 
Check what the CPU and memory usage are for the firefox process.  Also 
see if you can tell what they are for the Plasma Workspace process as 
well.  I don't know what the process name would be, but you can press 
shift-m to sort the list by memory usage which should bring them both to 
the top.



I would like to report this as a bug, but I'm not sure which bugzilla to
report it to.

It sounds like there are two issues here.  The first is that Firefox 
gets slow, which would be a Mozilla issue.  You could try closing tabs 
to see if you can find out which site(s) are causing the problem.  The 
second issue is that Plasma Workspace crashes.  That one could be filed 
in the Fedora bugzilla, but first check if there are any related issues 
already filed there.

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Firefox troubles & KDE Plasma Workspace Crash

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

If I open too many tabs in Firefox, it becomes extremely slow, sometimes too
slow to be usable.  If I terminate it when it's slow, very frequently KDE's
Plasma Workspace (shell) crashes; fortunately Plasma Workspace always restarts
quickly.  The bug can't be reported by gnome-abrt, since the memory dump is too
large.  Has anyone else seen this?

I would like to report this as a bug, but I'm not sure which bugzilla to report
it to.
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