Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails

[Tim via users]

Allegedly, on or about 4 April 2018, Rick Stevens sent:
> The final thing I'd validate is that if you have an
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, rename or move it and let the system sort
> things out without the help of that file.

Also check for video setting files in:  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/

I forgot about that when, recently, changing a motherboard.  Took me
some time before I realised there was a file in there for my prior
video card.

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Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails

[Tim via users]

Bob Goodwin:
> Yes, and Thunderbird is set to send plain text to this list, it
> never seems to work, so to be sure I change it in "Options," except
> when I forget.

You have the list address in your address book, set to only receive
plain text?

Considering that you're using HTML colouring to make it easier for you
to read what you're doing, I would have thought there'd be an
accessibility option that simply changed your display of it, without
doing the actual message that way.

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the messages posted to the mailing list.

When it comes to electronics, I'm slightly biased.
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mail quoting issues (was Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails)

[Tim via users]

Allegedly, on or about 4 April 2018, Samuel Sieb sent:
> Careful with the quoting.  Maybe it's related to the html format of
> the email, but your text appears as part of what you quoted

There's a bunch of mail clients that stupidly extend the quote symbols
beyond the quoted text (Evolution included), and if you don't delete
them (which Evolution often refuses with HTML messages), or carriage
return even more space between quote and reply, that kind of thing
happens.  Sometimes Evolution will join quoted text and replies, even
when there's clearly an empty blank line between them in the editor.

In all the years I've been messaging on the internet, Forte Agent was
about the only one that could quote to my satisfaction (YAM and PINE on
the Amiga coming close).  It did quoted text with neatly packed >>>
multi-generation quote symbols (no straggling spaces between them),
could quote verbatim, could re-wrap quotes without mangling, could
neatly interrupt quoted paragraphs, did line wrapping properly, managed
to identify the difference between quoted text and replies without a
blank line between them...

Out of what I've tried on Linux, Evolution is the least worst
(Thunderbird, Claws, kmail, balsa, being the ones that I can remember
off the top of my head).  Spread across them, awful quoting, hideous
interface, terrible listing, etc.  Web interface ones are two awful,
and inconvenient, to bother with.

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Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?

[Michael D. Setzer II]

On 4 Apr 2018 at 21:01, Todd Chester wrote:

Subject:Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
From:   Todd Chester 
Date sent:  Wed, 4 Apr 2018 21:01:15 -0700
Send reply to:  Community support for Fedora users 


> 
> 
> On 04/02/2018 11:30 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
> > I'm the maintainer of the G4L disk imaging project since 2004, and I use
> > Fedora as the build platform. Currently using Fedora 27.
> > 
> > Have an issue from a user that has me baffled, so am hoping someone here
> > might provide some guidance.
> > 
> > The program boots a linux kernel, and basically uses dd to copy the
> > disk/partitions thru a compression program and creates an image file on ftp
> > server or local device.
> > 
> > I don't have any physical nvme disks, but using virtualbox I created a 4M
> > disk, and 2 - 2M partitions within it. In testing that, the 4M disk 
> > compresses to
> > a 30K file, and the 2M partitions compress to about 15K each. That is what 
> > is
> > expected with cleared partitions.
> > 
> > The user though, with a real 256G disk doesn't seem to get any compression
> > of the disk or partitions. Them resulting images are close to the same size 
> > as
> > the disks or partitions??
> > 
> > He can mount the partitions and see the files, so there must be something
> > going on that I don't see?
> > 
> > Would think that accessing the /dev/nvme0n1 or partitions /dev/nvme0n1p1
> > thru p5 would act the same as accessing /dev/sda or /dev/sdax partitions.
> > 
> > The images that are created pass the compression program test, so it is
> > reading data, but in some form that doesn't compress much, and user has
> > used a program to clear the unused space?
> > 
> > Thanks for your time, and any ideals.
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> This probably won't help as I don't entirely understand your
> question.
> 
> My FC27 system has a LUKS encrypted 1 GB NVMe drive.  I clone
> the drive to a mechanical drive as a poor man's RAID1.  NVMe
> drives don't do RAID1.
> 
> My first attempt, was booting off a Live USB and do a "dd".
> It was a disaster.  Took 14 hours and did not work in the
> end.
> 
> Then I switched Clone Zilla to do the clone and it has worked
> perfectly about 5 times now.  The mechanical clone drive boots
> perfectly too.
> 
> Clone Zilla only takes 1:24 to clone.  It uses dd to clone LUKS
> drives, so who knows why Clone Zilla's works and mine does not.
> 
> -T
> 

Thanks for the reply. There are lots of issues with doing cloning. 
Usually, doing a disk clone gets arround issues where the boot loader is 
using the blkid, since it makes the blikids for the partitions the same. 
Problem 
with that thou is that you can't have to disks in the same machine with the 
same blkids. Once cloned a disk, and then rebooted it to the OS without 
disconnecting, and for some reason, it mounted some partitions from the first 
disk, and others from the second?

Same issue with the boot loaders using the /dev/sdx option. If you clone a 
disk on /dev/sda to /dev/sdb it works fine, but if you remove sda to test if it 
will boot, it will not since second disk with have sdb instead of the sda. Have 
to switch cables, or change boot order in bios.

Contacted the person in charge of the nvme program, and he says it should 
work as it does with the virtualbox test I did.

User was using a windows program called eraser to clear the drive, but from 
what I have just found it seems to be a security eraser, and rights random 
data to the unused space as contrasted to writing nulls. Think the program 
was probable working just fine, but with completely random data the lzop 
compression doesn't work well. About twice the speed of gzip but 10% larger 
images. I could take a 1T disk, and compress it down to a 40G file with 
Windows 10 and Fedora 25 on it. 

My classroom setup also, had and NFTS clone image file on a separate 
partitions, and had an grub boot option, that would reimage the 160G 
Windows 10 partition in about 12 minutes.  About a 20G image file.

Have a program on the g4l disk that will zero out the unused space, so have 
asked the user to try using that to clean disk, and then make image.

Hopefully, that will result in the expected compression.

Thanks again for the info.

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Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?

[Todd Chester]

On 04/02/2018 11:30 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:

I'm the maintainer of the G4L disk imaging project since 2004, and I use
Fedora as the build platform. Currently using Fedora 27.

Have an issue from a user that has me baffled, so am hoping someone here
might provide some guidance.

The program boots a linux kernel, and basically uses dd to copy the
disk/partitions thru a compression program and creates an image file on ftp
server or local device.

I don't have any physical nvme disks, but using virtualbox I created a 4M
disk, and 2 - 2M partitions within it. In testing that, the 4M disk compresses 
to
a 30K file, and the 2M partitions compress to about 15K each. That is what is
expected with cleared partitions.

The user though, with a real 256G disk doesn't seem to get any compression
of the disk or partitions. Them resulting images are close to the same size as
the disks or partitions??

He can mount the partitions and see the files, so there must be something
going on that I don't see?

Would think that accessing the /dev/nvme0n1 or partitions /dev/nvme0n1p1
thru p5 would act the same as accessing /dev/sda or /dev/sdax partitions.

The images that are created pass the compression program test, so it is
reading data, but in some form that doesn't compress much, and user has
used a program to clear the unused space?

Thanks for your time, and any ideals.


Hi Michael,

This probably won't help as I don't entirely understand your
question.

My FC27 system has a LUKS encrypted 1 GB NVMe drive.  I clone
the drive to a mechanical drive as a poor man's RAID1.  NVMe
drives don't do RAID1.

My first attempt, was booting off a Live USB and do a "dd".
It was a disaster.  Took 14 hours and did not work in the
end.

Then I switched Clone Zilla to do the clone and it has worked
perfectly about 5 times now.  The mechanical clone drive boots
perfectly too.

Clone Zilla only takes 1:24 to clone.  It uses dd to clone LUKS
drives, so who knows why Clone Zilla's works and mine does not.

-T
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Re: Thunderbird Issue Possibly Related to System Update

[Stephen Morris]

On 5/4/18 12:10 pm, Stephen Morris wrote:

On 3/4/18 8:24 am, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 04/02/2018 03:21 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
 This issue surfaced after a system update a few updates back. 
Whenever I start Thunderbird now it always starts unmaximised even 
though on last shutdown it was maximised, and when I reply to a mail 
or compose a mail that starts unmaximised as well. Until the system 
update these components of Thunderbird always started maximised as 
required.


 I'm on version 61.0a1 of Thunderbird.

 Is anyone else seeing similar issues?


I don't see this, but it could also be window manager related.


I've checked this under both KDE and Gnome with Xorg and the same 
thing happens under both. I've also checked the nvidia settings app 
and it does the same thing, but firefox which is also version 61.0a1 
doesn't appear to have the problem (firefox's issue of displaying a 
black backdrop window and then the main window at launch, and having 
to manually close both windows at shutdown seems to have been rectified).


I've checked this with the current version of Thunderbird in the 
repositories and it doesn't appear to have the issue, so maybe it is 
purely and issue with the newest version.



regards,

Steve





regards,

Steve



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Re: Thunderbird Issue Possibly Related to System Update

[Stephen Morris]

On 3/4/18 8:24 am, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 04/02/2018 03:21 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
 This issue surfaced after a system update a few updates back. 
Whenever I start Thunderbird now it always starts unmaximised even 
though on last shutdown it was maximised, and when I reply to a mail 
or compose a mail that starts unmaximised as well. Until the system 
update these components of Thunderbird always started maximised as 
required.


 I'm on version 61.0a1 of Thunderbird.

 Is anyone else seeing similar issues?


I don't see this, but it could also be window manager related.


I've checked this under both KDE and Gnome with Xorg and the same thing 
happens under both. I've also checked the nvidia settings app and it 
does the same thing, but firefox which is also version 61.0a1 doesn't 
appear to have the problem (firefox's issue of displaying a black 
backdrop window and then the main window at launch, and having to 
manually close both windows at shutdown seems to have been rectified).



regards,

Steve



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Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/04/18 20:30, Samuel Sieb wrote:


Careful with the quoting.  Maybe it's related to the html format of 
the email, but your text appears as part of what you quoted. That 
makes for a very confusing email. :-)


(You're not the only one.  I've seen others do it in different ways as 
well.)

_


Yes, and Thunderbird is set to send plain text to this list, it never 
seems to work, so to be sure I change it in "Options," except when I forget.


My apologies ...

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Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/04/18 20:30, Samuel Sieb wrote:


Careful with the quoting.  Maybe it's related to the html format of 
the email, but your text appears as part of what you quoted. That 
makes for a very confusing email. :-)


(You're not the only one.  I've seen others do it in different ways as 
well.)

_


Yes, and Thunderbird is set to send plain text to this list, it never 
seems to work, so to be sure I change it in "Options," except when I forget.


My apologies ...

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Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/04/2018 03:09 PM, sean darcy wrote:

New install of F27, with Xfce. startx fails without an error on the console.


The recommended command to start Xfce is startxfce4.  Have you tried that?
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Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/04/2018 03:09 PM, sean darcy wrote:
> New install of F27, with Xfce. startx fails without an error on the
> console. Xorg.0.log has:
> 
> 
> 
> [  2930.626] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms
> [  2930.626] (II) FBDEV: driver for framebuffer: fbdev
> [  2930.626] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa
> [  2930.626] xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation
> not permitted)
> [  2930.626] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled.
> [  2930.626] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting
> [  2930.626] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev
> [  2930.626] (II) Loading sub module "fbdevhw"
> [  2930.626] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw"
> [  2930.626] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so
> [  2930.626] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> [  2930.626]    compiled for 1.19.6, module version = 0.0.2
> [  2930.626]    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 23.0
> [  2930.626] (EE) open /dev/fb0: Permission denied
> [  2930.626] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa
> [  2930.626] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card
> support
> [  2930.626] (II) RADEON(0): Creating default Display subsection in
> Screen section
> ...
> 
> No other errors or warnings.

Are you starting it as root or as your mortal self (unprivileged)? Try
it as your mortal self and not root. It should work either way, but try
it anyway.

The "permission denied" error on /dev/fb0 is odd. You should check the
permissions of /dev/fb0. It should be a character device, major 29,
minor 0, owner "root", group "video" with permissions of "660"
(rw-rw):

[root@golem4 bin]# ls -l /dev/fb0
crw-rw. 1 root video 29, 0 Apr  2 09:43 /dev/fb0

I believe it's created at boot time (at least mine all seem to have the
timestamp of the last machine boot).

It also appears that you're using a Radeon (AMD) card. I don't have a
lot of experience with them (mostly nVidia and Intel here), so perhaps
you don't have the driver installed? Someone smarter than I would need
to address that.

The final thing I'd validate is that if you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf
file, rename or move it and let the system sort things out without the
help of that file.

> Xorg kept going finishing the display section and loading the mouse etc.
> and just terminates:
> 
> 
> [  2930.990] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "SynPS/2
> Synaptics TouchPad" (type: TOUCHPAD, id 11)
> [  2930.991] (**) Option "AccelerationScheme" "none"
> [  2930.991] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) selected scheme
> none/0
> [  2930.991] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration
> factor: 2.000
> [  2930.991] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration
> threshold: 4
> [  2930.992] (II) event4  - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: is tagged by
> udev as: Touchpad
> [  2930.992] (II) event4  - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: device is a
> touchpad
> [  2930.993] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics
> TouchPad (/dev/input/mouse0)
> [  2930.993] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
> [  2930.993] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
> [  2930.997] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Toshiba WMI hotkeys
> (/dev/input/event7)
> [  2930.997] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
> [  2930.997] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
> [  2931.474] (**) Option "fd" "24"
> [  2931.474] (II) event2  - Power Button: device removed
> [  2931.474] (**) Option "fd" "27"
> [  2931.474] (II) event5  - Video Bus: device removed
> [  2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "28"
> [  2931.475] (II) event1  - Power Button: device removed
> [  2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "29"
> [  2931.475] (II) event6  - TOSHIBA Web Camera - MP: TOSHIB: device removed
> [  2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "30"
> [  2931.475] (II) event3  - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: device removed
> [  2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "31"
> [  2931.475] (II) event4  - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: device removed
> [  2931.478] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput"
> [  2931.478] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:68
> [  2931.495] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput"
> [  2931.495] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:67
> [  2931.502] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput"
> [  2931.502] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:70
> [  2931.517] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput"
> [  2931.517] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:65
> [  2931.529] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput"
> [  2931.529] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:69
> [  2931.550] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput"
> [  2931.550] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:66
> [  2931.589] (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.

Yeah, that's likely.
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Re: html to man page

[Sam Varshavchik]

Andras Simon writes:


2018-04-04 13:53 GMT+02:00, Tim via users :
> Allegedly, on or about 2 April 2018, Cameron Simpson sent:
>> I have to say I've very -1 on anything that uses XML as a source
>> format for human written content. It is massively hostile to
>> authoring by hand.
>
> As I recall, it's meant to be human understandable (and editable with a
> plain text editor), but meant to be using XML editing software for
> actually creating it.

I can't resist recommending the late Erik Naggum's xml rant (one of many):

https://www.schnada.de/grapt/eriknaggum-xmlrant.html

To whet your appetite, here's a short excerpt:

"In many ways, the current American presidency and XML have much in
common.  Both have clear lineages back to very intelligent people.
Both demonstrate what happens when you give retards the tools of the
intelligent."


I will agree with this, in some specific circumstances. For example: this is  
a perfect explanation for SOAP and WSDL.


But, I find Docbook XML to be irreplacable, when it comes to writing  
technical documentation that serves as a single source of both manual pages  
and publishable HTML. And, it's infinitely hackable. Like I mentioned, with  
some hacking I can now easily embed links from my Docbook-based tutorials to  
Doxygen-generated C++ class documentation.




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Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/04/2018 04:15 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 04/04/18 18:09, sean darcy wrote:
New install of F27, with Xfce. startx fails without an error on the 
console. Xorg.0.log has:


I have always had to use startxfce4 ...


Careful with the quoting.  Maybe it's related to the html format of the 
email, but your text appears as part of what you quoted.  That makes for 
a very confusing email. :-)


(You're not the only one.  I've seen others do it in different ways as 
well.)

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Re: GnuCash 3.0

[SternData]

On 04/04/2018 03:48 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:53 AM, SternData
> >
> wrote:
> 
> Version 3.0 was released the other day.  Are there plans to update the
> version in the repos?  I don't see anything in updates-testing.
> 
> 
> Looks like it's only been built for Fedora 28 so far...
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1508188
> 

Thanks. I can wait.

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Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/04/18 18:09, sean darcy wrote:
New install of F27, with Xfce. startx fails without an error on the 
console. Xorg.0.log has:


I have always had to use startxfce4 ...


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F27 : startx Xfce fails

[sean darcy]

New install of F27, with Xfce. startx fails without an error on the 
console. Xorg.0.log has:




[  2930.626] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms
[  2930.626] (II) FBDEV: driver for framebuffer: fbdev
[  2930.626] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa
[  2930.626] xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation 
not permitted)

[  2930.626] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled.
[  2930.626] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting
[  2930.626] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev
[  2930.626] (II) Loading sub module "fbdevhw"
[  2930.626] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw"
[  2930.626] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so
[  2930.626] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[  2930.626]compiled for 1.19.6, module version = 0.0.2
[  2930.626]ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 23.0
[  2930.626] (EE) open /dev/fb0: Permission denied
[  2930.626] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa
[  2930.626] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card 
support
[  2930.626] (II) RADEON(0): Creating default Display subsection in 
Screen section

...

No other errors or warnings.

Xorg kept going finishing the display section and loading the mouse etc. 
and just terminates:



[  2930.990] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "SynPS/2 
Synaptics TouchPad" (type: TOUCHPAD, id 11)

[  2930.991] (**) Option "AccelerationScheme" "none"
[  2930.991] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) selected scheme none/0
[  2930.991] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration 
factor: 2.000
[  2930.991] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration 
threshold: 4
[  2930.992] (II) event4  - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: is tagged by 
udev as: Touchpad

[  2930.992] (II) event4  - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: device is a touchpad
[  2930.993] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics 
TouchPad (/dev/input/mouse0)

[  2930.993] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[  2930.993] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[  2930.997] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Toshiba WMI hotkeys 
(/dev/input/event7)

[  2930.997] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[  2930.997] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[  2931.474] (**) Option "fd" "24"
[  2931.474] (II) event2  - Power Button: device removed
[  2931.474] (**) Option "fd" "27"
[  2931.474] (II) event5  - Video Bus: device removed
[  2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "28"
[  2931.475] (II) event1  - Power Button: device removed
[  2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "29"
[  2931.475] (II) event6  - TOSHIBA Web Camera - MP: TOSHIB: device removed
[  2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "30"
[  2931.475] (II) event3  - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: device removed
[  2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "31"
[  2931.475] (II) event4  - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: device removed
[  2931.478] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput"
[  2931.478] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:68
[  2931.495] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput"
[  2931.495] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:67
[  2931.502] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput"
[  2931.502] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:70
[  2931.517] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput"
[  2931.517] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:65
[  2931.529] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput"
[  2931.529] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:69
[  2931.550] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput"
[  2931.550] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:66
[  2931.589] (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.




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Re: GnuCash 3.0

[chicago]

Sort of makes sense to prioritize it for 28 I think. 

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Re: GnuCash 3.0

[Richard Shaw]

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:53 AM, SternData 
wrote:

> Version 3.0 was released the other day.  Are there plans to update the
> version in the repos?  I don't see anything in updates-testing.


Looks like it's only been built for Fedora 28 so far...

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1508188

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Issues trying to lock-down display resolution and overscan

[John Pilkington]

On 04/04/18 17:47, Go Canes wrote:

  A while back my Intel NUC failed, and I replaced it with a newer one.
Since then I have been having a few issues with my display.

The first is overscan - the NUC is used as a media PC, and is hooked
up via an A/V receiver to a HDTV using HDMI.  Unfortunately there
doesn't seem to be a way to tell the TV to turn off the overscan.
With the older NUC, I used intel_panel_fitter (I think) to adjust the
display, and all was well.  But that program doesn't work on the new
NUC.  I can however, use xrandr's transform settings, and this seems
to be OK.  If anyone has better ideas for accommodating overscan
(other than buying a new TV), I would love to hear it!


For some time I thought I had set my Panasonic TV to disable overscan 
(it's in an Advanced Settings screen) but overscanning persisted.  Then 
I realised that it is disabled *only* when 16:9 aspect is also 
specifically enabled - not just auto selected.  That may not apply to 
your TV, but a bit more hunting might be worthwhile.


The second issue is that when I switch the TV away from the NUC, and
then eventually back to the NUC, the display is zoomed slightly - just
enough so that the KDE bar at the bottom is now off-screen.  I can use
xrandr to reset the transforms to their default, and then re-apply my
desired transforms and it is back to where it should be.  But I would
like to eliminate this annoying "zoom" altogether if possible.  I
thought maybe treating it similar to a KVM switch, and forcing the
modeline within the xorg config would help, but it doesn't seem to
change the behavior at all.

The third issue is that sometimes I lose the display more-or-less
completely.  I switch the receiver to the NUC, and I get a black
screen.  If I reboot (via a ssh session), I get nothing.  To get the
display back, I have to poweroff and cold boot.  The login screen is
fine, but after logging-in, KDE seems to be set for a lower resolution
(800x600?) than the TV is using (1080i), and I have go into "System
Settings" to correct it - which is difficult when you can't really
read the display very well!

Any suggestions on these issues would be appreciated!  My google
searches haven't come up with much help.


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Re: empty messages from fedora users list.

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/04/2018 08:05 AM, home user via users wrote:

3. socat -v tcp-l:143 openssl:imap.mail.yahoo.com:993 2>evolog.txt


This is the correct one.


After entering that, I launched Evolution, and entered the info. for the yahoo 
e-mail account that I use for this list.  When that was done and the account 
was done loading, I quitted Evolution, and then terminated the socat by 
entering CTRL-C in the terminal.  No messages showed up in the terminal, and 
evolog.txt was empty.


You need to change the account connection setting to use the server at 
localhost and the imap port 143, with no ssl or tls.  If you don't do 
the redirection to the log file, you can see immediately if it's working 
or not because it will dump on the screen.  You can also do "telnet 
localhost 143" in another terminal to make sure the socat command is 
correct and the imap server responds.

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GnuCash 3.0

[SternData]

Version 3.0 was released the other day.  Are there plans to update the
version in the repos?  I don't see anything in updates-testing.

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Issues trying to lock-down display resolution and overscan

[Go Canes]

 A while back my Intel NUC failed, and I replaced it with a newer one.
Since then I have been having a few issues with my display.

The first is overscan - the NUC is used as a media PC, and is hooked
up via an A/V receiver to a HDTV using HDMI.  Unfortunately there
doesn't seem to be a way to tell the TV to turn off the overscan.
With the older NUC, I used intel_panel_fitter (I think) to adjust the
display, and all was well.  But that program doesn't work on the new
NUC.  I can however, use xrandr's transform settings, and this seems
to be OK.  If anyone has better ideas for accommodating overscan
(other than buying a new TV), I would love to hear it!

The second issue is that when I switch the TV away from the NUC, and
then eventually back to the NUC, the display is zoomed slightly - just
enough so that the KDE bar at the bottom is now off-screen.  I can use
xrandr to reset the transforms to their default, and then re-apply my
desired transforms and it is back to where it should be.  But I would
like to eliminate this annoying "zoom" altogether if possible.  I
thought maybe treating it similar to a KVM switch, and forcing the
modeline within the xorg config would help, but it doesn't seem to
change the behavior at all.

The third issue is that sometimes I lose the display more-or-less
completely.  I switch the receiver to the NUC, and I get a black
screen.  If I reboot (via a ssh session), I get nothing.  To get the
display back, I have to poweroff and cold boot.  The login screen is
fine, but after logging-in, KDE seems to be set for a lower resolution
(800x600?) than the TV is using (1080i), and I have go into "System
Settings" to correct it - which is difficult when you can't really
read the display very well!

Any suggestions on these issues would be appreciated!  My google
searches haven't come up with much help.
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Re: Update Chromium Browser.

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2018-04-04 at 18:11 +0200, Ger van Dijck wrote:
> Hello Fedora Team,
> 
> 
> 
> I get a message : There are 3 Updates for the Chromium Browser under  
> Fedora 27 .
> 
> When trying I get the message  dependencies errors .
> 
> So please correct this .

If you don't give the exact error message, don't expect anyone to act
on your message. Also, this mailing list goes to Fedora users, not to
any "Fedora Team". If it's a genuine bug (impossible to tell without
more information) it should go to Bugzilla.

poc
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Update Chromium Browser.

[Ger van Dijck]

Hello Fedora Team,



I get a message : There are 3 Updates for the Chromium Browser under  
Fedora 27 .


When trying I get the message  dependencies errors .

So please correct this .



Regards ,



Ger van Dijck .



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Re: html to man page

[Bob Marcan]

...
> I can't resist recommending the late Erik Naggum's xml rant (one of many):
> 
> https://www.schnada.de/grapt/eriknaggum-xmlrant.html
> 
> To whet your appetite, here's a short excerpt:
> 
> "In many ways, the current American presidency and XML have much in
> common.  Both have clear lineages back to very intelligent people.
> Both demonstrate what happens when you give retards the tools of the
> intelligent."
> 
> And he wasn't even talking about Trump.
...
+1
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Re: html to man page

[Andras Simon]

2018-04-04 13:53 GMT+02:00, Tim via users :
> Allegedly, on or about 2 April 2018, Cameron Simpson sent:
>> I have to say I've very -1 on anything that uses XML as a source
>> format for human written content. It is massively hostile to
>> authoring by hand.
>
> As I recall, it's meant to be human understandable (and editable with a
> plain text editor), but meant to be using XML editing software for
> actually creating it.

I can't resist recommending the late Erik Naggum's xml rant (one of many):

https://www.schnada.de/grapt/eriknaggum-xmlrant.html

To whet your appetite, here's a short excerpt:

"In many ways, the current American presidency and XML have much in
common.  Both have clear lineages back to very intelligent people.
Both demonstrate what happens when you give retards the tools of the
intelligent."

And he wasn't even talking about Trump.
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Re: empty messages from fedora users list.

[home user via users]

I tried the socat logging 3 ways, all as root.

1. socat -v tcp-l:143 openssl:localhost:993 2>evolog.txt
After entering that, I launched Evolution, and created a new local e-mail 
account.  When that was done, I quitted Evolution, and then terminated the 
socat by entering CTRL-C in the terminal.  No messages showed up in the 
terminal, and evolog.txt was empty.

2. socat -v tcp-l:143 openssl:localhost:993
After entering that, I launched Evolution, and created a new local e-mail 
account.  When that was done, I quitted Evolution, and then terminated the 
socat by entering CTRL-C in the terminal.  No messages showed up in the 
terminal.

3. socat -v tcp-l:143 openssl:imap.mail.yahoo.com:993 2>evolog.txt
After entering that, I launched Evolution, and entered the info. for the yahoo 
e-mail account that I use for this list.  When that was done and the account 
was done loading, I quitted Evolution, and then terminated the socat by 
entering CTRL-C in the terminal.  No messages showed up in the terminal, and 
evolog.txt was empty.

I'll examine the info on Evolution logging that Patrick pointed to, and then 
try that.
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Re: html to man page

[Tim via users]

Allegedly, on or about 2 April 2018, Cameron Simpson sent:
> I have to say I've very -1 on anything that uses XML as a source
> format for human written content. It is massively hostile to
> authoring by hand.

As I recall, it's meant to be human understandable (and editable with a
plain text editor), but meant to be using XML editing software for
actually creating it.

-- 
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64

Boilerplate:  All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see
the messages posted to the mailing list.

Windows, it's enough to make a grown man cry!
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How to disable spectre_v1 mitigation?

[Clemens Eisserer]

Hi,

I've already disabled meltdown and spectre_v2 mitigation on my
arrandale based system,
however I haven't found a way to disable spectre_v1 mitigation:

cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v1
Mitigation: __user pointer sanitization

What is the expected performance hit caused by "__user pointer
sanitization" and is there a way to disable it?

Thank you in advance, Clemens
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Re: evolution processes

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2018-04-04 at 00:50 +, home user via users wrote:
> Since Mozilla first made Lightning built in to Thunderbird, and I learned the 
> appointments, etc. I put there are stored locally rather than somewhere on 
> the internet, I've been using that for all reminders, scheduling, etc.  So I 
> have no direct use for what the evolution-data-server is providing.   Is 
> evolution-data-server also providing anything "under the hood"?  ...like 
> interprocess communication, communication between processes and the kernel, 
> or other things not visible to me?  I wouldn't want to "hit myself" with 
> Joe's "Big Hammer", whatever that is.

As I said already, evolution-data-server does provide various services
in a Gnome desktop, not just for Evolution.

You might want to ask further on the Evolution mailing list, where
you're likely to get more informed answers. See:

https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

poc
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