Re: kernel-6.6.2-201.fc39.x86_64 does not boot, process hangs

[stan via users]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:28:02 +
olivares33561 via users  wrote:

> Dear fellow fedora users,
> 
> upon updating and rebooting the new kernel refuses to boot or just
> hangs.  How do I troubleshoot this issue? I have to boot 6.5.12-300
> so I can use the computer.

It is possible that the kernel actually made it far enough in boot that
the journal is started, but there is still a problem.  In that
case look at the boot log in journalctl,
journalctl -b 0
or look at any other recent messages if it wasn't boot that caused the
issue,
journalctl -r

If that doesn't give anything useful, then turn off rhgb and quiet in
the kernel command line so that the messages during boot show up.  Then
you can see where exactly it is failing, and might even see why.
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Re: OT: X11: how to make cut-and-paste with mouse also work on every window

[stan via users]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:03:14 -0600
Ranjan Maitra via users  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I know this is OT, but someone here might know the answer to this.
> 
> So, I like the ability to highlight with my mouse left button, and
> paste with my middle (scroll) button. It works on `xterm` but not
> necessarily on my firefox window (some other windows too, but I do
> not recall now). Is there a way to set this up so that it can work
> reliably on every window?

Thanks for asking about this.  I have also noticed this, but have just
lived with it.  This still works in virtual consoles.  I tend to edit
there because of that.  I can just double click, on something I want to
put in, and center click to paste at the cursor.

The one I notice with this problem is claws mail.  It used to work the
way I describe above, and then it just stopped doing that.  Now it needs
a Ctrl-C to copy the highlighted text, then move to the cursor location,
and then paste with Ctrl-V.  I have also noticed that some applications
(Pan?) give no time to cut anymore, but used to work just fine.

I don't know how to track down the problem.  I'm using X, is this a
consequence of substituting XWayland for X?  Wayland is missing obscure
corner cases that worked in X, I think, and I wonder if this could be
one of them.  A side effect of enhanced security of some kind?  It sure
is annoying.
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Re: Starting Wayland FC39

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:44:49 -0800
Dave Close  wrote:

> I wrote:
> 
> >Until FC39, I had only run Wayland on one of my machines, not even
> >trying to bring it up on the others. Since I intensely dislike the
> >graphic login, I found a way to start it from a virtual terminal like
> >I normally start X11. Instead of "startx", I have a short script I
> >call "startw" that contains only the single line,
> >"/usr/bin/dbus-run-session /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland". (Yes, I
> >run KDE.) This worked on FC38.
> >
> >Now on the same machine with FC39 (upgraded with system-upgrade) this
> >no longer works. Instead, it produces 248 lines of output and then
> >terminates. Reviewing those lines, it appears that it is complaining
> >about, 'failed to open drm device at "/dev/dri/card0"' and 'No
> >suitable DRM devices have been found'.  I'm not sure what device
> >that refers to but there seems to be some indication that it is my
> >display. The display certainly works fine for the virtual terminal I
> >use to run this script, and it also works fine for X11 if I run
> >"startx".

Have you tried creating a new user?  I'm wondering if there is some
cruft in your configuration that a newer version of the executable is
choking on. I don't see any bugzillas open against the package
plasma-workspace that creates that rpm, so it doesn't seem to be a
widespread problem.
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Re: emacs is hopeless

[stan via users]

On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 17:37:09 +
Barry Scott  wrote:

> > On 15 Nov 2023, at 17:21, stan via users
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I work around that by configuring hh and uu as .  Since I
> > (almost) always finish input by pressing one of them, the command
> > mode is available, so I just hit
> > :w 
> > to save.  I guess it is a matter of taste, a trade off.  
> 
> I know few vi commands, one I do know is ZZ that saves the file and
> exits.
> 
> I only know enough vi to boot strap barry's emacs on a machine .

That would be me in emacs.  I used emacs at one point, and liked it.
Then I took a long hiatus, and when I used it again, it just didn't
click with me.  So, I learned vim, and I find it comfortable to use,
it fits my thinking process.  Just like perl and python.  I just
couldn't feel comfortable using perl, but python fits like a glove. To
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Re: upgrade packages problem

[stan via users]

On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:32:07 +0100
GianPiero Puccioni  wrote:

> I didn't know that "err" didn't show on the terminal!

Probably to avoid huge amounts of messages.

> Apparently the problem was
> "qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld-5.15.12-4.fc38.x86_64" I removed that and
> everything is back to normal, should I file a bug in RPMFusion?

I'm not sure.  The rpmfusion package just needs a recompile to pick up
the new library.  So it isn't really a bug.  But it is a sure way to
flag the issue to the package maintainer, so maybe it is better than to
just send a message to their mailing list.

Yeah, file a bug, I convinced myself.
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Re: emacs is hopeless

[stan via users]

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 13:26:38 -0600
Ranjan Maitra via users  wrote:

> On Mon Nov13'23 11:41:28AM, George N. White III wrote:
> > From: "George N. White III" 
> > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 11:41:28 -0400
> > To: Community support for Fedora users
> >  Reply-To: Community support for
> > Fedora users  Subject: Re: emacs is
> > hopeless
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 9:04 AM Ranjan Maitra via users <  
> > users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:  
> >  
> > > [...]
> > > I also tried emacs-nox and have the same problem. Removing my
> > > .emacs did not have any effect.
> > >  
> > I do not mess with my system files so I am a bit confused as to how
> > to  
> > > track this down. Is there a
> > >  
> > verbose mode which allows me to see what to do?  
> > >  
> >
> > Try running emacs as newly created user to rule out something in
> > your ~/.emacs.d or some
> > shell startup script creating variables that confuse emacs. Have
> > you tried "emacs -nw" for text mode
> > to rule out a GUI issue?
> >
> > It might help to have a simple example with a description of what
> > happens. If emacs is failing due to
> > some conflict with libraries you might see an error with
> > journalctl.  Make a note of the time the error
> > occurs to help identify related errors.
> >
> >  
> > >
> > > I have emacs-ess also installed (from Fedora 36) that has not
> > > been updated and is probably obsolete or retired.
> > >  
> >
> > Probably good to remove that old package.  You can reinstall from
> > upstream source if Fedora 39 doesn't have a
> > package.  
> 
> Indeed, the culprit appears to have been the emacs-ess package, which
> was creating issues even with it not being called.
> 
> Unfortunately, for me, emacs-ess was the main selling point of emacs,
> and with that rendering emacs unusable, it appears that I will have to
> move on to nvim which has a good R interface.
> 
> What really irritates me about vi and its friends is that it throws
> you out of editing (insert) mode in order to save the file, and needs
> another key to come back in.

I work around that by configuring hh and uu as .  Since I
(almost) always finish input by pressing one of them, the command
mode is available, so I just hit
:w 
to save.  I guess it is a matter of taste, a trade off.

> I don't know if it is possible to remap a key (say C-x-C-s) that would
> exit the "insert" mode, save the file, and then come back into the
> "insert" mode.

It is possible to record a macro, by assigning it to a key. e.g. for
key r
qr
[record what you want to do here, whatever does what you want above]
q

invoke the macro with @R or @r.

You can map keys to sequences of commands using the map command.
:map  @r

Then whenever you want to invoke the file save, just hit F2.

I haven't tried the above, but it should work.
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Re: upgrade packages problem

[stan via users]

On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 15:23:16 +0100
GianPiero Puccioni  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> During a normal upgrade (F38 with KDE on a Dell G15 Laptop) I got
> this errors:
> 
> Skipping packages with conflicts:
>   qt5-qtbasex86_645.15.11-3.fc38updates
>  3.6 M Skipping packages with broken dependencies:
>   kf5-akonadi-sex86_6423.08.1-2.fc38updates
>  2.5 M
> 
> I waited for more than a week to see if it was a problem with mirrors
> or something missing but they are still there. I don't know what
> those packages are for or if they are important (or if it is the same
> problem or the errors are unrelated) so I am a little worried about
> updating anyway. Any info on this problem?

There is probably a package installed that depends on the older version
of these packages, and so preventing update. You can see what the
conflict is by capturing the error output.

dnf update > out.txt 2> ror.txt

You can then open another terminal and look at out.txt, to determine if
you want to update, and ror.txt for the errors.  If you do want to
update, just go back to the original terminal and type a y and hit
enter.

If you don't want to do that, you can do

dnf -y update > out.txt 2> ror.txt

but automatically saying yes carries risks of things being removed.
Maybe do this after you have run dnf already, and taken care of all
update except the conflicts.
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[stan via users]

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 22:12:14 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:

> My firefox on F38 freezes a lot.
> I get "Firefox" is not responding a lot.
> At one time, I thought it was because of too many windows and tabs
> open. I closed several windows.
> Shutting it down and bringing it back up often helped,
> but not necessarily for very long.
> According to top, firefox freezes even when the load
> average is less than two, most of swap is free
> and neither firefox nor its minions are near the top of top.
> My new suspicion is that it waits for something
> that does not happen often enough.
> How do I diagnose this?

You could try the troubleshoot mode,
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/diagnose-firefox-issues-using-troubleshoot-mode
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Re: output device changes with pipewire-0.3.83-2

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On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 00:13:52 +0100
Frank Elsner via users  wrote:
 
> has anyone other than me observed the effect that during audio
> playback to an audio interface the destination device changes to the
> "build-in audio device." This happens to me occasionally with
> pipewire-0.3.83-2.fc38.x86_64 and my ZOOM H6 audio interface.

No, I have not seen that.  Once I select a device, it is always used.

> Any hint to avoid this welcome.

Do you have a default device set?  I haven't done it in a while, but
even under pipewire it is possible to use pavucontrol to set an output
device as the default.  I think I recall that once that is set, other
outputs are not used unless explicitly requested.  But I could be
wrong, as things constantly change as a developer's idea of the use case
changes.
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Re: Keyboard repeat

[stan via users]

On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 14:53:52 +0200
GianPiero Puccioni  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a problem with the keyboard, once in while the key I press
> start repeating even after a short press and doesn't stop until I
> press another key.
> 
> I had to disable the key repeat (not optimal) as it was disrupting my
> work. This is going on for months, I waited for several updates to
> see if thing got better but to no avail.
> 
> My setup is a Laptop Dell G15 F38 with KDE(both X11 and Wayland).
> Is there something I can try to fix this?

This sounds like this could be a hardware error to me; the laptop is not
sending the keypress release to the driver.  It could also be that the
driver is not catching the release signal.  Is there anything about the
keypress when this happens that is unique?  Is it a very light tap,
such that it would release very quickly, perhaps causing a failure of
the driver to catch the release?  Or really hard?

I remember that there is an application that when it runs it shows
the key press and key release events, but I can't remember the name of
it. Perhaps someone else knows it.  If you can run that, you can then
try to replicate the error, and see if occasionally a release is missed.
And if it is the way the key is pressed causing the problem.
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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:16:41 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:

> Can anyone play videos on F38?
> If so, how did you do it?
> 
> Firefox in uncommunicative when it will not play a video.
> Videos says "cannot initialise OpenGL support".
 
Found this possibility for firefox online.
Advice:
You can check the Graphics section on the about:support (Help ->
Troubleshooting Information) page.
Response:
In about:support, in the graphics section under WebGL 1 Driver Renderer
it says:

WebGL creation failed: 

Refused to create native OpenGL context because of blacklist entry:
FEATURE_FAILURE_OLD_NVIDIA Exhausted GL driver options. 

Are you using nvidia graphics drivers?  Have you installed the
latest nvidia drivers from rpmfusion?  This is all supposed to work
right out of the box, but when I look online, I find that this error
occurs due to lots of reasons. Here is a quote,

"OpenGL errors can be caused by a variety of reasons including corrupt
OS files, outdated drivers, poorly developed apps, incorrect system
configurations, and more."

I'm focusing on the outdated drivers because the only other reasonable
cause would be incorrect system configuration, and that is a bear to
diagnose via email.  If it was OS problems or apps, you would not be
the only one experiencing this.  It is something about your system that
is causing this, drivers or configuration.
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Re: how to remove rhgb quiet from grub & make it permanent

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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:08:23 +
olivares33561 via users  wrote:

> I will like to remove rhgb quiet from grub.  I have checked out some

I don't know if this is the official way to do it, but, as root or
sudo, edit the file 
/etc/default/grub
and remove the rhgb quiet from the kernel command line.  On my system
it looks like this.
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 LANG=en_US.UTF-8"
Once you have done that, do a 
cd /boot/grub2
and run
grub2-mkconfig -o grub.cfg
Your system should now boot with rhgb and quiet turned off.
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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

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On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 13:11:35 -0600
Joe Zeff  wrote:

> only open a few nights a week.  I'm going to try using a netinstall,
> but I've never done that before, so I'd appreciate a little guidance

I use the minimal netinstall, but on optical media.  I have a dvd drive,
with lots of old empty disks, and plug it in when I want to update.  It
is very straightforward, the same as you described for f35, except it
doesn't boot into a live fedora, but into anaconda.  For F35 it will
still be hub and spoke.  There is going to be a new method, browser
based?, but I haven't tried it yet.  If you have an internet connection
on the device it will probably be picked up.  It will ask for language
and keyboard. Then you will get a menu of items that have to be
completed (the hub), and you go into each and do what is required to
complete them (the spokes), and then return to the hub. I always use
the custom hard drive configuration, creating partitions, or assigning
existing partitions to / and /boot. It allows selection of format before
install, which I usually use.  But if you are willing to accept the
default btrfs, you can just point it at an empty drive.  I keep all my
personal files on separate partitions that I symbolic link to from
home, so I don't have a separate home.  It is possible to select
additional software to install over the net, but I usually just select
the bare minimum, and do all the software wrangling once fedora itself
is running, rather than through anaconda.  That means working at a
console though, so you might want to install at least one graphical
package group so you can work from the gui when you boot up.
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Re: 4k video playback on some videos makes entire system sluggish

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 21:12:29 -0400
Alex  wrote:

> HI,
> 
> 
> > Finally got a chance to reboot, and it definitely made a difference
> > with playing 4k videos.
> >
> > However, playing two 4k videos at the same time makes both of them
> > slow. 
> 
> Actually, playing any two videos together makes the whole system
> jerky.

I found this link about changes to the AMD driver in 6.5 kernel.

https://www.phoronix.com/review/linux65-ryzen-7950x

"One of the notable changes with this new kernel version is Linux now
defaulting to the AMD P-State "EPP" active driver configuration for
modern Ryzen systems rather than the long-used generic ACPI CPUFreq
driver default. "

I wonder if these changes, while good in most cases, might be causing
you problems.  Do you have a 6.4 kernel that you can boot and test
with?  If you do, and it works as you are expecting, then you could
open a bugzilla against the kernel to bring your problem to the
attention of the kernel developers.

Alternatively, perhaps there is some cruft left over after the update.
What happens if you create a new user, and then use that new user to
try to play two videos together?
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Re: Restarting pipewire

[stan via users]

On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 17:22:38 +0100
Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> On Mon, 2023-10-09 at 06:38 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> > systemctl --user restart pipewire pipewire-pulse wireplumber  
> 
> Thanks. Didn't find wireplumber, but it worked without it.

I think that wireplumber is an optional package; I had a problem and
replaced pipewire-manager with wireplumber, when pipewire-manager still
existed.  

Description :
WirePlumber is a modular session/policy manager for PipeWire and a
GObject-based high-level library that wraps PipeWire's API, providing
convenience for writing the daemon's modules as well as external tools
for managing PipeWire.
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Re: Restarting pipewire

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On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 14:12:41 +0100
Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> Can pipewire be properly restarted (after an update) without logging
> out and in again? I'm using Plasma, if it matters.

I use this to restart the sound systems after they are updated.
It seems to work.  You have to run it as the user that has sound,
usually the first user to log in, not root.

systemctl --user restart pipewire pipewire-pulse wireplumber
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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

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On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 13:23:02 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:

> As noted in another thread, I recently installed F38,
> retaining my /home partition.
> 
> When I try to play a .avi file,
> Videos claims "Could not initialise OpenGL support".
> dnf was not a help.
> How do I get videos to work?

Did you install patent restricted packages from rpmfusion.org?  I
think avi is patent encumbered, so can't be included in fedora.

> Firefox is also unpleasantly interesting.
> Firefox was and is set to restore on startup.
> There were a lot of pages to restore.
> They all came up with a single blank tab.
> Do I need to start from scratch?

Is your old profile for firefox present in .mozilla in your home
directory?  It should be if you didn't change home.  If your old
firefox profile in .mozilla is gone, your tabs are gone.  If you have a
backup, you might be able to copy the profile over and restore them.
It doesn't sound like the profile is gone, since firefox tried to open
the tabs, but wasn't successful.  If they were really gone, I don't
think there would even be blank tabs opening.  Firefox is aware of
them, but for some reason can't reach the web to instantiate them. Is
it possible that your dns lookup isn't working?

If the old profile is there in .mozilla and you keep history (deleting
history on close isn't turned on in settings), you have a couple of
alternatives.

If they aren't older, you can just use history->'recently closed tabs'
to click on them and they will open in new tabs

If they are older, you can go to history->'show all history' and see
all the tabs you previously had open by date.  This isn't as convenient
because you will have to alt-tab to open a new tab, Ctrl-t, in the
browser, then alt-tab to the history window to select a url to open
and hit enter. The history item you have selected will then open in the
new tab in your browser. Rinse and repeat. There might be a better way
to do that from 'show all history', one that works more like 'recently
closed tabs', but I'm not aware of it if there is.  Probably a setting
in about:config, if it exists.
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Re: Firefox crashes when started from the panel

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On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 03:44:56 -0700
Jonathan Ryshpan  wrote:

> After the latest upgrade to Fedora, when Firefox is started from the
> panel, the screen goes dark, and then refreshes itself; Firefox does
> not start. Firefox appears to start perfectly when run from the
> console or from the application launcher. I have attached a fragment
> of the system log showing activity immediately before and after
> Firefox was started (Journal.txt)
> 
> Any ideas how to investigate.
> 
> Application info:
>firefox-118.0.1-4.fc38.x86_64
> System info:
>Operating System: Fedora Linux 38
>KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.8
>KDE Frameworks Version: 5.110.0
>Qt Version: 5.15.10
>Kernel Version: 6.5.5-200.fc38.x86_64 (64-bit)
>Graphics Platform: X11
>Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz
>Memory: 15.5 GiB of RAM
>Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® HD Graphics 4600
>Manufacturer: ASUS

It sounds like there isn't a problem with firefox, per se.  If it
starts fine with two out of three methods, it is the invocation that is
causing the problem.  I'm not sure what starting from the panel is, but
can you get to the actual command being run when you do that?  Then
compare it to what you run from the console or application launcher.
Can you alter the panel version to run with firefox --safe-mode, so
that it starts without any add-ons.  Maybe try with a different user;
create a new user [1] and start firefox from the panel with that new
user and a pristine /home directory.  Success with the new user will
indicate that there is something in your /home directory
configuration that is causing the problem.  Failure, a KDE panel
problem, and probably time for a bugzilla.

1. See  man useradd  for how to add a new user.  You should be able to
switch to that new user from the greeter.
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Re: Solved: Instructions: Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

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On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 07:17:00 -0700
stan via users  wrote:

> desktop.  You can use man scrcpy to find the commands, and keyboard
> shortcuts, when using scrcpy on your phone.

In the man pages for scrcpy, the  key is the  key.
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Re: Solved: Instructions: Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:34:36 -0700
stan  wrote:
> Inspired by the responses here that allowed me to understand what I
> was searching for, I eventually found a program called scrcpy.
> 
> https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/

Here are the instructions that I used to get scrcpy working for me.  I
don't know how clear they will be to someone who hasn't already done
this, since I can't re experience that, but I tried to make them
simple.  I really like using the phone this way, better than directly,
actually.

These are the instructions for how to connect a phone to the desktop
using a USB cable.  It is possible to do this via pairing over TCPIP if
both your computer and your phone have access to the same wireless
network. I don't have wireless on my desktop, so didn't investigate
this as I had to use the USB cable technique.  If you do use the TCPIP
method, you might be able to use KDE-connect instead of scpcpy to
access the phone.

First, prepare the desktop.  These are done as the root user, or with
sudo. 
Install the android tools to get adb, the android debug tool
dnf install android-tools
Get an enhanced wrapper for the adb program, not necessary, but
easier to use than the raw adb.
dnf install adb-enhanced
Install scrcpy from the fedora copr repository
dnf copr enable zeno/scrcpy && dnf install scrcpy
Add the adb group to /etc/group
groupadd -U [your username] plugdev
Create a udev rule that gives permission to access the usb device
that is your phone.
Run
lsusb
and then look for your phone as a device.  Below is dummy sample,
not a phone.
Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
    
These are the numbers you want.  Put them in a file called (51 is
arbitrary) 
/etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules
using a line as follows:
ATTR{idVendor}=="1d6b", ATTR{idProduct}=="0002", MODE="0666", GROUP="plugdev
  
Replace the two numbers with the numbers for your phone when it is
connected to the USB port.

Once you have done this, you will have to log out and log in again as
your user, or reboot the computer to pick up the changes to the group.  
You might be able to pick up the new udev rule by
unplugging and plugging the USB cable into the phone.
Or, I didn't try this, but 
systemctl restart systemd-udevd

If, as your user, you run 
adb devices
or 
adbe devices
at this point it will give you a permissions error for the phone,
though it will be able to find it.

Now prepare the phone, so it can be recognized, all done as you on the
phone. Find the build date in settings, and tap on it until it says you
have developer privileges. Then enter the developer menu and turn on
USB access. I'm not giving detailed instructions on where to find these
because it varies by phone.  Mine were in about phone or system from
settings. Find the USB debug menu item and turn it on.
FInd the USB mode menu item and set it to file transfer / mtp.
The phone is now ready.
If you type 
adb devices
or 
adbe devices
as your user, not root, it will now recognize the phone.  
You are ready to run scrcpy, as your user, not root.
scrcpy
will bring up a dialog on your phone asking you for permission to run
the adb server on the phone.  If you tap OK on the phone, it will bring
up an image of your phone screen on your desktop. This is one of the
benefits of running scrcpy; it will install a compatible server on your
phone for the client that it is using. Avoids error messages saying the
server and client version do not match. You can now use your phone with
your mouse, clicking to tap, and swiping the mouse cursor to swipe the
phone. Make and receive calls, and send and receive texts.  I think it
is possible to use your desktop keyboard to type messages, but I
haven't tried that yet.  You can probably surf the web from your phone
as well, but why surf with your phone when you can surf with your
desktop?  I didn't try it, but it seems you can play games from your
phone on your desktop, as well.  In other words, you can use the
functionality of your phone from your desktop.  You can use man scrcpy
to find the commands, and keyboard shortcuts, when using scrcpy on your
phone.

If you exit scrcpy, you can still use adb or adbe to perform a lot of
tasks on your phone directly with adb.  Like removing and installing
apps, transferring files both ways, backing it up, cleaning up bloat.
The technastic link below has a list of adb commands.
If you run 
abde
without any command, it will print a list of all the commands that are
available in adbe.

Some of the pages I used to glean the above information.  If you want
to go deeper, or use the TCPIP method, these might be of assistance.

https://askubuntu.com/questions/602129/how-to-update-or-re-install-the-newest-version-of-adb
https://techupedia.com/how-to-apply-update-from-adb/
https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/248766/how-do-i-upgrade-an-android-phones-version-from-my-pc

Re: Solved: Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[stan via users]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:35:42 -0700
Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 2023-10-05 12:34, stan via users wrote:
> > Inspired by the responses here that allowed me to understand what I
> > was searching for, I eventually found a program called scrcpy.
> > 
> > https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/
> > 
> > It allows a linux desktop attached to a phone, either via usb or
> > tcpip, to control the phone.
> > 
> > https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/blob/master/doc/linux.md  
> 
> You might want to check out "kde-connect" which is packaged for
> Fedora. It works on other desktops as well.

Thanks, another option.
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

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On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 13:14:50 +1030
Tim  wrote:

Thanks for the explanations, Tim.
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Solved: Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 07:18:54 -0700
stan via users  wrote:

> When I searched for this, I came up empty.  I was thinking that there
> would be a USB plugin device or a pcie card that allowed a desktop to
> communicate with a cellular network.  Put a sim in it, and bingo, can
> call using the desktop instead of the smartphone.  I think it would be
> useful for troubleshooting things like having trouble with a website
> over the phone with support.  Could do both on the desktop instead of
> having a phone and desktop, and switching.  Maybe it is so niche, or
> has such a small market, it just doesn't exist.

Inspired by the responses here that allowed me to understand what I was
searching for, I eventually found a program called scrcpy.

https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/

It allows a linux desktop attached to a phone, either via usb or tcpip,
to control the phone.

https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/blob/master/doc/linux.md

It is packaged for fedora in copr, so not an official package, but can
be installed with

dnf copr enable zeno/scrcpy && dnf install scrcpy

I haven't fully explored or used it yet, but it sounds like I can use
the phone to make and receive calls and texts on the desktop directly.

I still have to investigate XMPP and VOIP in more depth, and might
bypass using the phone completely if I use one of them as the desktop
access method.  Probably safer, since there are then two methods of
making phone calls and texts.  As usual, redundancy / insurance costs a
little more since I pay for a phone solution that I otherwise wouldn't.
If I go to 5G for the internet connection, I will also keep the
redundancy of at least one phone, and possible one of either VOIP or
XMPP.

The options are determined, I at least understand what they are, if
not all about them.  Now I just have to decide.

Thanks everyone.
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Re: Anyone have recommendations for using VOIP in fedora?

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 10:47:40 -0700
Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 2023-10-05 07:26, stan via users wrote:
> > VOIP has been around for a while, so I am thinking it has to be
> > mature. Is it possible to just install a package and then call
> > standard phone numbers over the web from fedora?  I'm not really
> > interested in video calls, just voice, but if the best service also
> > is video, well, so it goes. Is anyone using it, and has tips to
> > offer?
> > 
> > When I searched, the most recommeded packages didn't seem to be
> > available in the fedora repositories.  One I remember was jitsi.  I
> > assume it isn't popular enough to be packaged, or there is some
> > other method of getting it.  
> 
> I use linphone for a couple of users that don't have network plugs
> for a hard phone.  But I also run an asterisk system that talks to a
> voip provider "voip.ms".  If you want to talk to real phone numbers,
> at some point you need to have an endpoint that interfaces to the
> telecom system and I don't know of any free ones.  They're really
> cheap though.

Thanks, good info for someone like me who is naive in this area.
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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 10:10:40 -0600
Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 10/05/2023 08:51 AM, stan via users wrote:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2181989
> > 
> > Basically anaconda/dracut's iso-scan/filename= has been broken since
> > Fedora 37 included, and is still broken in Fedora 39 Beta, meaning
> > the Live iso can't be booted from a USB stick using grub and its
> > loopback mount feature (which is super nifty and useful!).  
> 
> Thanx!  I've added myself to the CC list and gave a comment
> describing my symptoms.  If you know what the most recent working
> version is, I'll install it and gradually upgrade to the present,
> rather wait for them to fix the bug.

I don't know that.  But, Adam said that this was working in F36, so you
might be able to install the F36 live iso, and then upgrade to F38.
F36 only went EOL a few months ago, so everything should still be
functioning, low bit rot.

That said, I'm not sure that this is actually your problem.  It sure
sounds like it, but the loopback qualification gives me pause.
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[stan via users]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 07:18:54 -0700
stan via users  wrote:

> When I searched for this, I came up empty.  I was thinking that there
> would be a USB plugin device or a pcie card that allowed a desktop to
> communicate with a cellular network.  Put a sim in it, and bingo, can
> call using the desktop instead of the smartphone.  I think it would be
> useful for troubleshooting things like having trouble with a website
> over the phone with support.  Could do both on the desktop instead of
> having a phone and desktop, and switching.  Maybe it is so niche, or
> has such a small market, it just doesn't exist.

I'm not alone.  Here is another person trying to do this, though
without a good resolution.

https://forums.puri.sm/t/using-a-linux-desktop-as-a-phone/11051/7
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[stan via users]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 07:18:54 -0700
stan via users  wrote:

> When I searched for this, I came up empty.  I was thinking that there
> would be a USB plugin device or a pcie card that allowed a desktop to
> communicate with a cellular network.  Put a sim in it, and bingo, can
> call using the desktop instead of the smartphone.  I think it would be
> useful for troubleshooting things like having trouble with a website
> over the phone with support.  Could do both on the desktop instead of
> having a phone and desktop, and switching.  Maybe it is so niche, or
> has such a small market, it just doesn't exist.

So, this link is old but promising.  The OP wanted to do exactly what
I want to do.  It sounds like it wasn't easy to do at that time, though
there were solutions.  I really don't want to use Google voice if I can
help it. Or bluetooth, though that is local, so more acceptable.  I am
concerned about the mention of security holes for bluetooth.

https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/39886/answer-phone-calls-directly-from-computer-linux

There is something to do this in windows.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/make-and-receive-phone-calls-from-your-pc-21564230-abf6-f2bb-c7b7-1b15570662f5
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/introducing-microsoft-phone-link-and-link-to-windows-2e4bb4c0-f99a-4464-92a8-5264c7c39734

What I think I can glean from these pages, is that it requires software
on both the phone and the pc.
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

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On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 02:07:54 +1030
Tim via users  wrote:

> On Thu, 2023-10-05 at 08:07 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> > OK, I saw mention of asterisk in the results I found, but I have no
> > idea what a 4G or 5G usb-stick is.  Is that something like what
> > Javier mentioned, an addon that creates a local hotspot?  I can
> > already access the web from my phone via the wireless on my ISP
> > modem.  Is that the same?  
> 
> A 4G/5G usb-stick is essentially a mobile phone modem in the USB
> stick. So, similar to connecting your computer to your phone and
> using your phone as a modem.

Is that what is called 'tethering'?  That is, does it give two way
access to the phone, so photos and such can be downloaded from the
phone to the PC?  When I followed Javier's link, 
https://www.amazon.com/Eboxer-Portable-Computer-Wireless-Receiver/dp/B07L5QMPJW/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1VSGW5NK6KRT7=4g+modem+card+for+pc=1696516076=4g+modem+card+for+pc%2Caps%2C209=8-3
it seemed to suggest that it was possible to surf the web without using
a 'sim'. I don't see how that is possible.  Wouldn't the cell provider
be checking if the user had authorization to use the cell data network,
and be metering the data flow?  Or is that saying that the usb-stick
doesn't need a 'sim', and that the computer is using the cell phone
'sim'?  The price is reasonable to gain access to the phone, at least.

> However... there's always a "but."
> 
> You may find that using your phone it gives you limited access to the
> cellular network.  That's all going to depend on your particular
> phone.
> 
> And conversely, you may have to hunt around to find a USB stick modem
> that's compatible with Fedora.

Good caveats to keep in mind.

> Asterisk is a full blown computerised version of an office PABX, you
> may find yourself in a configuration minefield if all you wanted was
> voice calling.  Though it may be your best option if you simply want
> to be able to call any other phone as if you were using a phone.

I can't be the only one who would want to use it in minimal mode.
Maybe, since my use case is so simple, I could just use the default
configuration, and ignore all the other bells and whistles.
 
> If you just want to call particular friends, and didn't actually have
> to be a phone call, Skype and Zoom are options (they only call other
> Skype or Zoom accounts, as far as I know, Skype may have had a pay for
> real phone calls option).  They can do voice-only calls as well as
> video chat.

The xmpp solution that murph pointed me to seems like it would work
just great for my needs.  A little cautious because of unfamiliarity,
but the faq page seems to make that clear.  I like that it is open
source code, even if there is a monthly charge for the infrastructure.
The charge is low, it might even make sense to have it as a backup for
the smartphone all the time, rather than replacing it.

> Thankfully, here, we've finally got to the stage where mobile phones
> don't cost you an arm and a leg to speak to someone in call and
> monthly charges.  It's put landlines and payphones to death, now it's
> virtually only organisations with staff still using landlines.

Same thing happening here, the POTS providers see a steady erosion in
their land line user base over time.
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Re: Anyone using 5G as their internet access method?

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:48:55 -0400
Terry Polzin  wrote:

> I am running T-mobile 5G supporting W10, multiple Fedora machines,
> streaming video on smart TVs all at once.
> No issues for the most part.

I guess this goes under the kudos column, sounds like a very positive
experience.  Thanks.
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Re: Anyone using 5G as their internet access method?

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On Thu, 05 Oct 2023 16:45:59 +0100
Andrew Pearce  wrote:

> I know a few people that are using 5G mobile equipment for their
> internet access, all of them have a 5G SIM in their router. Most find
> it just works but they sometimes complain of slowdown after the
> children finish school up about 9 .. 10pm.

Thanks.
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Re: Anyone have recommendations for using VOIP in fedora?

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:13:49 -0400
murph nj  wrote:

> If you want to make phone calls to regular phones, you need something
> like a SIP service. (Which I know little about)

And I probably know less.  But this gives me a hint of what I'm
searching for.

> A more simple alternative, if you look into https://jmp.chat they
> have a free-software-friendly service that allows phone calls and SMS
> over XMPP which might prove easier to set up.  (This is a paid
> service, but telecom services cost money, so there's probably no easy
> way around paying someone, somewhere.)

Thanks, that looks interesting, like having a private email domain.
Yeah, paying is probably going to be part of this.  What I was hoping
was that I could piggyback on my existing cell phone access.  It would
also provide a backup in case I lost my phone, or it went wonky.

The 5G thing I mentioned in another email spurred me to examine whether
I am organizing my access to internet and phone properly.  So, I'm
looking at the alternatives.
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Anyone using 5G as their internet access method?

[stan via users]

I recently received an offer from T-mobile to use their 5G network as
my main internet access.  It was contingent on a contract for phone
with them, but the price and speed for internet was competitive.  Has
anyone done this using fedora, or I suppose, any other system?  Horror
stories or kudos?  The main drawback I could see was that it was a lot
like early cable, where the bandwidth depended on the number of users
on your branch. If it was just me, I have the whole pipe, and it would
be awesome. Ten others and me, and not so hot as we shared the bandwidth
among us.
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:30:52 +
 wrote:

> It is defitely more "than just plu-in a card"
> But deploying Asterisk, with a 4G or 5G usb-stick would do the trick.

OK, I saw mention of asterisk in the results I found, but I have no
idea what a 4G or 5G usb-stick is.  Is that something like what Javier
mentioned, an addon that creates a local hotspot?  I can already access
the web from my phone via the wireless on my ISP modem.  Is that the
same?
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Re: Anyone have recommendations for using VOIP in fedora?

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:35:32 +
 wrote:

> In the good-ol' days when i ran centos, it was (indeed) Jitsi-client
> (not jitsi-meet), Ekiga, or linphone. But it sounds that you're not
> looking for a real client, but an webrtc package...

Actually, I think I am looking for a voip client.  I'm a noob in this,
so I'm not even sure that I can make that claim, but I think I can.  I
don't think I'm looking for webrtc, as that is text based, isn't it.  I
want to be able to make calls to telephone numbers via my PC.  I would
use a headset with headphones and mic, and talk as if I was on a phone.
I assume there would be some numberpad interface, call log, and contact
list, just like on a smartphone.
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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

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On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 20:22:00 -0600
Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 10/04/2023 06:19 PM, George N. White III wrote:
> > You can get some information using the grub prompt.  First thing to
> > try is ls:
> > 
> > 
> >  

This might be related to what Joe is seeing. I see this message on the
devel list, suggesting there is a bug in the Fedora live USB boot.
Pasting because I'm not sure if forwarding is allowed on Fedora lists.
In the bugzilla, it looks like they have found the problem, and there
is a fix, so it might be working soon.

From: Matthias Saou 
To: de...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Live USB iso boot not working since Fedora 37, still broken in
39  Beta Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2023 22:23:46 +0200
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Hi,

I haven't posted here or been active with Fedora development in years
(sorry!), but I'm running into a blocker and don't know where else to
get help since the bugzilla ticket is silent and assigned to a struck
out address.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2181989

Basically anaconda/dracut's iso-scan/filename= has been broken since
Fedora 37 included, and is still broken in Fedora 39 Beta, meaning the
Live iso can't be booted from a USB stick using grub and its loopback
mount feature (which is super nifty and useful!).

Would anyone with deep enough knowledge of the installer be able to
help? It's very easy to reproduce with any "live usb iso boot" projects
such as my own https://github.com/thias/glim
All of Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, Mint, Gentoo, etc. work fine, but Fedora
only works up to 36 and RHEL only up to 8 (RHEL 9 is also similarly
broken).

Cheers,
Matthias
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Anyone have recommendations for using VOIP in fedora?

[stan via users]

VOIP has been around for a while, so I am thinking it has to be mature.
Is it possible to just install a package and then call standard phone
numbers over the web from fedora?  I'm not really interested in video
calls, just voice, but if the best service also is video, well, so it
goes. Is anyone using it, and has tips to offer?

When I searched, the most recommeded packages didn't seem to be
available in the fedora repositories.  One I remember was jitsi.  I
assume it isn't popular enough to be packaged, or there is some other
method of getting it.
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Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[stan via users]

When I searched for this, I came up empty.  I was thinking that there
would be a USB plugin device or a pcie card that allowed a desktop to
communicate with a cellular network.  Put a sim in it, and bingo, can
call using the desktop instead of the smartphone.  I think it would be
useful for troubleshooting things like having trouble with a website
over the phone with support.  Could do both on the desktop instead of
having a phone and desktop, and switching.  Maybe it is so niche, or
has such a small market, it just doesn't exist.
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Re: How do I stop this malware

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On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 09:18:59 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023, stan via users wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 12:06:46 -0500 (CDT)
> > I think it is done by running javascript through your version of
> > firefox.  Do you have noscript add-on installed?  That will block
> > any  
> 
> Noscript was already installed nand active.
> It did not complain.
> 
> > javascript from a site, and you will have to turn on the urls that
> > you want to be able to run javascript.  I'm not sure how effective
> > that would be in this case, since cloudfront.net is often needed
> > because many sites use it as their host.  But, I expect that the
> > problem url would show up differently in noscript, and you would be
> > able to leave it disabled.  Usually, cloudfront.net is disabled
> > automatically for other urls.  I'm not willing to test that
> > expectation, for obvious reasons. :-)  
> 
> I'm not clear on what this means.
> The url window showed .cloudfront.net .
> 
> > You could test whether this is the solution by installing noscript,
> > shutting down and restarting firefox to clear the cache of allowed
> > sites (that is a setting in the privacy tab), and then visiting the
> > site again. The site should be blocked, and you can click on the  
> 
> I already had noscript installed and it did not complain.
> 
> > noscript icon to see the list of urls that have been blocked from
> > running javascript.  If you want to experience the thrill again, you
> > can allow javascript from the above problem address for
> > confirmation. Then, turn it off, and the recovery is what you have
> > already discovered.  
> 
> Once the site was active,
> all I could click on was an always-on application that was already
> running. The site seemed to have made firefox
> fullscreen and turned off all its buttons.
> 
> Javascript is client-side, correct?
> The problem went away after disabling networking.
> 
> Is there a way to tell firefox never to let a website take it
> fullscreen? Failing that, is there a way to tell firefox to never go
> fullscreen at all?
> 
> 
An alternative that you could use when visiting dodgy sites is to use
firefox profiles.  It is as if you are running as a different user when
you use one.
/usr/bin/firefox --new-instance --ProfileManager
will allow you to select, create, and delete profiles.  You could
create one called darkweb, that has everything locked down, and use it
only for visiting dodgy sites.  And even then, you could also use a
container tab within it, so it is very restricted in its actions and
access. Because these profiles are separate instances of firefox, you
have to install all the add-ons and customizations for each one.
Otherwise, you just get a default firefox instance.

I also use them in the opposite way, when I know a website is
legitimate, I reduce the security for that site in that profile.  On
sites like youtube, this helps restrict tracking (a little) when going
into the belly of the beast (Google).
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Re: How do I stop this malware

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On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 09:18:59 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:
> Noscript was already installed nand active.
> It did not complain.
> 
> I'm not clear on what this means.
> The url window showed .cloudfront.net .
> 
> I already had noscript installed and it did not complain.
> 

Then you have cloudfront.net whitelisted in noscript.  The only way to
block javascript is by having it turned off for a site when you first
visit it.  If you have it whitelisted, the javascript runs before you
have a chance to intercept.

I do not have any of the cloud servers whitelisted.  When a site comes
up, if it isn't a site I've visited before, I check the list of third
party sites that are blocked.  If there is a cloud server site there, I
usually click to temporarily allow it, if the site seems legitimate.  Is
this disruptive to smooth web browsing, does it take work / effort?
Yes. But that is the nature of security.  If you don't want to do this,
then you need to install something like ublock-origin, that you can
tune to specific websites. It also blocks javascript, but requires more
effort because it is more fine grained (to specific site and even
subdomains).  So, more work up front, but then should do the right
thing from then on.  I don't visit so many unknown sites that I bother
doing this.

> Once the site was active,

The javascript has already run in order for the site to be active.

> all I could click on was an always-on application that was already
> running. The site seemed to have made firefox
> fullscreen and turned off all its buttons.
> 
> Javascript is client-side, correct?

It is fetched from the web site and run client side if it has
permission.

> The problem went away after disabling networking.

I wonder if it was downloading the content of your computer that
firefox had access to, maybe your history or your bookmarks, etc.
Or maybe, it had set up the javascript to run continuously, downloading
in a loop from its website.  Any application monitoring the web
connection could show this if it was allowed to run.

> Is there a way to tell firefox never to let a website take it
> fullscreen? Failing that, is there a way to tell firefox to never go
> fullscreen at all?

I'm not aware of a way, but if you ask on the mozilla forums, there
are some really knowledgeable people there who might know a way.
There are a *lot* of settings in about:config, and without application
knowledge it is really hard to tell what they actually do.  As George
said, this is not solving the problem though.  The javascript might
just ignore, or issue a warning, if it can't specify fullscreen.

I can't remember, were you able to bring up a console
(Ctrl-Alt-[F2-F6])?  If you could get to a console, you could use ps
or top to see what is running and top or kill to kill applications
(like firefox), iotop to see what web traffic is doing.  Look in the
journal, etc.  My understanding is that javascript designed for guis
can't run there, so you would not be blocked from any access.
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Re: How do I stop this malware

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On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 12:06:46 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:

> I stumbled onto a very bad website:
> d1ykbfcai6wsme dot cloudfront dot net slash werrx01 slash
> phone=+1 dash 888 dash 387 dash 3976 

Re: Hung Virtual Machine

[stan via users]

On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:12:46 -0400
Robert McBroom via users  wrote:

> Power outage dropped my f38 system while a virtual Rawhide system was 
> running. On restart the virtual machine is paused and none of the 
> virt-manager shutdown, reset or delete work. It wasn't supposed to
> come up on a host restart. What can be done to clear the lock?
> 
> 
> 
> Error resetting domain: Timed out during operation: cannot acquire
> state change lock (held by monitor=remoteDispatchDomainCreate)
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/asyncjob.py", line 72,
> in cb_wrapper
>      callback(asyncjob, *args, **kwargs)
>    File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/asyncjob.py", line 108,
> in tmpcb
>      callback(*args, **kwargs)
>    File
> "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/object/libvirtobject.py", line
> 57, in newfn ret = fn(self, *args, **kwargs)
>    ^
>    File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/object/domain.py", line 
> 1393, in reset
>      self._backend.reset(0)
>    File "/usr/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/libvirt.py", line 2408,
> in reset
>      raise libvirtError('virDomainReset() failed')
> libvirt.libvirtError: Timed out during operation: cannot acquire
> state change lock (held by monitor=remoteDispatchDomainCreate)

Was curious, so did some searching.  Not familiar with qemu or libvirt,
so might or might not help you.

This seems to have happened in the past, as well.  What I can glean
from this bug report is that libvirt and qemu being out of synch caused
it.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1530346

This bug report in arch seems to support that it is a mismatch.
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/63516

Both of these are older, so it might be a regression because something
else was fixed.  You could try reinstalling qemu on the host.  One
comment mentioned restarting libvirt was successful.

A really old link, but it sounds a lot like your problem, so the
solution might still work.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16763240/libvirt-cannot-stop-reboot-force-shutdown-or-destroy-guest
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Re: Which BB system for Fedora

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On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:57:10 -0400
Fulko Hew  wrote:

> Can someone point me to instructions for installing phpBB
> and/or recommend a bulletin board system to run on Fedora?

https://github.com/phpbb/

I don't find any bulletin board software in the fedora repositories. So
you would have to download the source from the above source repository,
and build it locally, installing it in /usr/local.

Maybe my search fu is lacking, and someone else has an answer.
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Re: Thunderbird 115 FC 38

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On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 12:45:41 -0500
steven stern  wrote:

> I see that Thunderbird 115.2 is in koji, but it looks like it has not 
> been build for Fedora 38. Is that coming?
> 
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=39
> 
> https://i.imgur.com/bKEMxjt.png

Not the package maintainer, but unlikely.  The big jump in version
is likely a showstopper for updating stable fedora versions.  And,
the fact it wasn't built at the same time as F39 and F40 is pretty
indicative, as well.

If you aren't going to update to F39 when it is released (it's in
beta), then you could download the src.rpm and build it locally if you
are willing to take your chances.
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Re: Creating a ScreenShot HotKey Script

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 14:44:00 -0400
Jonathan Billings  wrote:

> On Sep 16, 2023, at 10:28, stan via users
>  wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 22:12:02 +1000
> > Philip Rhoades via users  wrote:
> >   
> >> Is this possible?  Should I be trying to do this from Sway?  
> > 
> > I don't have an answer for you, but isn't sway a microsoft product?
> > Maybe it would be better to ask on a microsoft forum?  
> 
> Sway is a tiling window manager/compositor for Wayland.  
> https://swaywm.org/
> Not sure what you’re talking about, it certainly isn’t a Microsoft
> product.  Sway is a Wayland-based compositor that is a replacement
> for i3 (a tiling WM for X11).

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/getting-started-with-sway-2076c468-63f4-4a89-ae5f-424796714a8a

Sway is a new app from Microsoft Office that makes it easy to create
and share interactive reports, personal stories, presentations, and
more. Start by adding your own text and pictures, search for and import
relevant content from other sources, and then watch Sway do the rest.
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Re: Creating a ScreenShot HotKey Script

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 22:12:02 +1000
Philip Rhoades via users  wrote:

> I want to scroll through doc pages in a script loop doing a
> screenshot for each page eg the procedure would be:
> 
> 1. Display the first page of the doc you want to screenshot.
> 
> 2. Hit CTRL-PrtScrn (say) to start the script loop.
> 
> The script does a screenshot of the current screen.
> The Right Arrow or PageDn key is sent from the script to advance
> the doc to the next page.
> The script continues to loop . .
> 
> 3. The script is stopped by CTRL-C (say).
> 
> Is this possible?  Should I be trying to do this from Sway?

I don't have an answer for you, but isn't sway a microsoft product?
Maybe it would be better to ask on a microsoft forum?

If you want to do it in linux, you would probably open the doc in
libre-office.  The tricky part is how to send the commands to the
libre-office instance from a script.  And a separate screen shot
utility that can send the screenshot to a chosen directory.  Is there
a linux desktop that has a macro capability?  That would be useful for
this, as it could record you doing the first one, and then you could
just repeat that by firing off the macro with a hot key.

It becomes really easy if libre-office has macro capability, and can
also take screenshots.  I don't know if that is true.

There might also be interface modules for libre-office and a screenshot
utility for one of the scripting languages, python, perl, ruby, lua,
etc. They can also send commands to the OS if you wanted to use the
system print screen.  Then you just open the applications from the
scripting language and send the commands you want from the scripting
language in a loop.
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Re: OT: Inventory able to track racks, shelves and shelve sections?

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 00:47:06 +0700
Frederic Muller  wrote:

> I've been looking for a inventory free software to track the mess I
> have in my workshop and haven't found anything able to "adequately"
> track shelves numbers and sub-divisions.
> 
> It seemed to be something very obvious for me, imagining big
> warehouses with shelves and cartons and people being easily able to
> find that carton full of  that, in row 18, rack 99, shelve 3
> inside section B. Well it is not. In fact warehouses are often
> treated as "locations" with nothing else in most cases.
> 
> So I am curious if anyone knows of any way (I thought of using the 
> comment section but that's not really a great way to do it) to handle 
> this, or any software if it exists?
> 
> Thank you very much for your insights.

It isn't a ready made solution, but this sounds like it is perfect for
a relational database.  The table has columns for each of the
location characteristics, as well as a unique numerical key for each
row, and an item description you can search on. When you want to find
something you just run a sql query.  Any application that performs this
is probably going to do exactly this, except it will take the
description of the item as input and create the query for you,
returning the items that match.  e.g. so, maybe there are several
different types of bolts in inventory, but each of them has bolt in
their description.  When you run the query, the description and
location are returned, and you can pick the one that you were looking
for.  The description can consist of several keywords, so you could
also use a query that selects for two keywords to get an exact match.
As you have probably figured out, the work here is all in the creation
of the database, as every item has to be entered into the database.
But, even with a tailor made application for this, you would have to do
the same.  And, you have to keep the database up to date, so if you
replace an item in a location, you have to update the database to
reflect that.  Again, same with a tailor made application.

Pretty much any sql database will be able to do this, as it isn't using
any sophisticated sql characteristics, like triggers or stored
procedures.  No atomic transaction considerations either if you are the
only one using the database.
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Re: No match for grup package - during dnf upgrade process??

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On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:01:23 +1000
"Michael D. Setzer II via users"  wrote:

> Am upgrading a machine from Fedora 37 to Fedora 38.
> Saw this as part of process.
> Is there a process to clean this up?
> Did they drop this groups, or renamed them??

I think there was a reorganization of the fonts packages.  It's
possible that these are only warnings from dnf about the group, and the
packages were actually replaced and obsoleted as part of the larger
upgrade.  Run
rpm -qi [single package name]
to see if they are still installed.  If they are, try a
dnf update [package name] 
on a single package to see if there is a replacement that will install,
obsolete the old package, and remove it. Failing that, try
dnf distrosync
to see if it will replace these packages with their replacements, if
there is one, and obsolete these packages.
It's possible that this will require manual cleanup by running
dnf remove
on these packages.  You could try it on a single package and see what
dnf thinks it should do, remove only the package, replace it with its
replacement (unlikely), or remove the entire group (if these are
required in the group).  If it wants to remove the group, you might be
stuck with the existing packages for now.  There has to be a procedure
to recover, but I don't know it.

Is everything working properly, no glyphs instead of fonts happening?
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Re: TPM Error on Warm Boot From F38

[stan via users]

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 09:32:22 +1000
Stephen Morris  wrote:
 
> The bios is set to boot off my ssd drive, which is the first drive 
> plugged into the motherboard, which is the device that Fedora sees as
> hd2.
> 
> I did a system update yesterday, which upgraded the kernel to 6.4.12
> and also updated grub, and then updated the grub menus via
> grub2-mkconfig as I always do, and that has not made any difference
> to the issue. I have grub configured to build sub-menus for all the
> kernel entries as well as showing the latest kernel in the main menu,
> so that I have all the Fedora kernels and Ubuntu kernels in
> sub-menus. What I have now found is that if I open up a sub-menu,
> that is when the tpm error occurs, and since the grub update it is
> now producing an extra error telling me to load a kernel first (what
> I don't understand is that message seems to be coming from an I386
> sub-folder but my environment is 64 bit, or does that mean that
> somehow or other grub has reverted to 32 bit?).
> I've also mentioned in another thread, that if when I get the tpm
> errors I edit the grub menu entry and change all occurrences of hd2
> to hd0, even though it continues to display the tpm errors it
> successfully boots into F38. It seems as though at the moment it
> boots normally if I select a main menu entry to boot from, but only
> if the tpm error hasn't already occurred. If the tpm error has
> occurred none of the menu entries will boot, which includes the
> Chainloader entry for Windows.
> 
> Having started my machine from a cold start, when the grub menu's
> were displayed, I went to the grub command line and issued the LS
> command to list all devices, that showed my boot device as hd0
> (hd0,gpt1 - hd0,gpt9), and then when I exited from the command line,
> and selected the menu entry for the latest Fedora kernel, which
> specified to boot from hd2,gpt7 (this is the fedora UEFI partition),
> it successfully booted into Fedora.
> How is this possible when the grub command line is indicating that
> grub is seeing the devices differently? What I might add to this is
> that the way the grub command line is showing the devices is the way
> I would expect them to be shown given the way the devices are
> physically connected to the motherboard.

I understand what you are asking, and it is certainly a conundrum, but
I have no insight to offer.  Maybe open a bugzilla against grub2.  I
don't think it is the problem, but the people who maintain grub2
probably have a good understanding of this part of the boot process, and
might be able to point to the real culprit.
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Re: Last kernel update leads to emergency mode

[stan via users]

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 00:38:08 +0100
Paul Smith  wrote:

> Maybe the following is relevant:
> 
> 
> # dracut --force --kver 6.4.12-200.fc38.x86_64 --verbose
> dracut: Executing: /usr/bin/dracut --force --kver
> 6.4.12-200.fc38.x86_64 --verbose
> dracut: dracut module 'busybox' will not be installed, because command
> 'busybox' could not be found!
> dracut: dracut module 'connman' will not be installed, because command
> 'connmand' could not be found!
> dracut: dracut module 'connman' will not be installed, because command
> 'connmanctl' could not be found!
> dracut: dracut module 'connman' will not be installed, because command
> 'connmand-wait-online' could not be found!
I see the connman errors when I build the initramfs, but it works fine.
> dracut: dracut module 'network-wicked' will not be installed, because
> command 'wicked' could not be found!
> dracut: dracut module 'biosdevname' will not be installed, because
> command 'biosdevname' could not be found!
> dracut: dracut module 'busybox' will not be installed, because command
> 'busybox' could not be found!
> dracut: dracut module 'connman' will not be installed, because command
> 'connmand' could not be found!
> dracut: dracut module 'connman' will not be installed, because command
> 'connmanctl' could not be found!
> dracut: dracut module 'connman' will not be installed, because command
> 'connmand-wait-online' could not be found!
> dracut: dracut module 'network-wicked' will not be installed, because
> command 'wicked' could not be found!
I think these can be taken as warnings rather than errors, unless you
are using busybox or network-wicked in the suspended version.
> dracut: *** Including module: bash ***
> dracut: *** Including module: systemd ***
> dracut: *** Including module: systemd-initrd ***
> dracut: *** Including module: systemd-sysusers ***
> dracut: *** Including module: nss-softokn ***
> dracut: *** Including module: dbus-broker ***
> dracut: *** Including module: rngd ***
> dracut: *** Including module: dbus ***
> dracut: *** Including module: i18n ***
> dracut: *** Including module: network-manager ***
> dracut: *** Including module: network ***
> dracut: *** Including module: ifcfg ***
> dracut: *** Including module: drm ***
> dracut: *** Including module: plymouth ***
> dracut: *** Including module: dm ***
> dracut: Skipping udev rule: 64-device-mapper.rules
> dracut: Skipping udev rule: 60-persistent-storage-dm.rules
> dracut: Skipping udev rule: 55-dm.rules
> dracut: *** Including module: kernel-modules ***
> dracut: *** Including module: kernel-modules-extra ***
> dracut: *** Including module: kernel-network-modules ***
> dracut: *** Including module: lvm ***
> dracut: Skipping udev rule: 64-device-mapper.rules
> dracut: Skipping udev rule: 56-lvm.rules
> dracut: Skipping udev rule: 60-persistent-storage-lvm.rules
> dracut: *** Including module: resume ***
> dracut: *** Including module: rootfs-block ***
> dracut: *** Including module: terminfo ***
> dracut: *** Including module: udev-rules ***
> dracut: Skipping udev rule: 40-redhat.rules
> dracut: Skipping udev rule: 50-firmware.rules
> dracut: Skipping udev rule: 50-udev.rules
> dracut: Skipping udev rule: 91-permissions.rules
> dracut: Skipping udev rule: 80-drivers-modprobe.rules
> dracut: Skipping udev rule: 70-persistent-net.rules
> dracut: *** Including module: dracut-systemd ***
> dracut: *** Including module: usrmount ***
> dracut: *** Including module: base ***
> dracut: *** Including module: fs-lib ***
> dracut: *** Including module: memstrack ***
> dracut: *** Including module: shutdown ***
> dracut: *** Including modules done ***
> dracut: *** Installing kernel module dependencies ***
> dracut: *** Installing kernel module dependencies done ***
> dracut: *** Resolving executable dependencies ***
> dracut: *** Resolving executable dependencies done ***
> dracut: *** Hardlinking files ***
> dracut: Mode: real
> dracut: Method:   sha256
> dracut: Files:2153
> dracut: Linked:   81 files
> dracut: Compared: 0 xattrs
> dracut: Compared: 974 files
> dracut: Saved:563.14 KiB
> dracut: Duration: 0.057574 seconds
> dracut: *** Hardlinking files done ***
> dracut: *** Generating early-microcode cpio image ***
> dracut: *** Constructing AuthenticAMD.bin ***
> dracut: *** Store current command line parameters ***
> dracut: *** Stripping files ***
> dracut: *** Stripping files done ***
> dracut: *** Creating image file
> '/boot/initramfs-6.4.12-200.fc38.x86_64.img' *** dracut: Using
> auto-determined compression method 'pigz' dracut: *** Creating
> initramfs image file '/boot/initramfs-6.4.12-200.fc38.x86_64.img'
> done *** #

This all looks fine.  The journalctl log you posted showed that the
initramfs was working properly, and was able to start systemd to do the
actual boot. It only failed at verifying that 

Re: Last kernel update leads to emergency mode

[stan via users]

On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 19:33:41 +0100
Paul Smith  wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 3:25 PM stan  wrote:
> >  
> > > Thanks, Stan. I guess the files are almost similar, since they
> > > have almost the same size:  
> >
> > I agree.  Your issue isn't the issue I had.  Debugging these early
> > issues is hard, because it has to be done from the emergency
> > console. But, I think I remember there being other consoles to
> > switch to that had things like logs, and there are some commands
> > available, if you do an
> > ls /usr/bin
> > or
> > ls /usr/sbin
> > you should be able to examine the system to some extent to find why
> > it is failing.  I remember using less and vi at least.  Could you
> > mount one of the partitions and save / cp or cat the logs to a file
> > there, maybe in your home directory.  Then you can examine them
> > from a working system, and even attach them to a bugzilla or email.
> >  
> > > #  ls -n /boot/initramfs*
> > > -rw---. 1 0 0 83396891 Jan 21  2020
> > > /boot/initramfs-0-rescue-5cbe81aa795444b29a47ec1bf2b6dca1.img
> > > -rw---. 1 0 0 37876860 Aug 14 11:45
> > > /boot/initramfs-6.4.10-200.fc38.x86_64.img
> > > -rw---. 1 0 0 37878341 Aug 26 12:28
> > > /boot/initramfs-6.4.12-200.fc38.x86_64.img  
> 
> Thanks, Stan. Finally, I was able to capture the log of
> 
> journalctl -xb
> 
> which is at:
> 
> https://bugzilla-attachments.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=1985687

So, this seems to be the error:
Aug 28 19:05:39 localhost @ystemctl[626]: Failed to switch root:
Specified switch root path '/sysroot' does not seem to be an OS tree.
os-release file is missing.

And it looks like it was triggered by this:
Aug 28 19:05:39 localhost systemd[1]: Received SIGRTMIN+20 from PID 569
(plymouthd).

After that message, systemd starts shutting down instead of starting up.

Do you have fedora-release for fc38 installed?  I can't see how you
wouldn't, but just confirming.  It looks like there is a bug in the
code that is determining whether os-release is present, but only for
warm restarts, not for cold boots.  That would be plymouthd.  
Or whatever is creating the warm restart isn't creating it properly, so
that plymouthd can recognize it, I think that would be systemd.

Were either of those in the large batch of updates you installed?  If
so, you could try downgrading them from koji to see if it fixes the
error.
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/
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Re: /usr/lib/modules cleanup?

[stan via users]

On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 18:37:11 -0700
ToddAndMargo via users  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Fedora 38
> 
> I got stuff all the way back to fc31.
> 
> Can I delete all the non fc38 directories?

It is already completed, but for future reference, you can run
something like
rpm -qf 5.14.16-201.fc34.x86_64
in /usr/lib/modules and it will tell you 
file 5.14.16-201.fc34.x86_64 is not owned by any package
if it is orphaned.
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Re: TPM Error on Warm Boot From F38

[stan via users]

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 18:08:59 +1000
Stephen Morris  wrote:

> Having done a warm boot and gotten the tpm error, I opened the grub 
> console and issued the ls subcommand which showed that what the
> system sees as hd2 on a normal boot, when the tpm error occurs
> "grub/system" is seeing that same drive as hd0.
> Hence it sees (hd0,gpt1) through (hd0,gp9) and for hd1 through hd4 it 
> only sees gpt1, which matches the ssd drive and the four hard disks 
> which only 1 partition each.
> What I don't understand is when the error occurs, why grub is seeing
^ not?
> the physical drives in the order that I would expect them go be given
> the way they are physically plugged into the motherboard. And more 
> importantly, what component update is causing this issue?
Was grub updated?
> The one thing I haven't tried yet is for a normal boot, booting off
> an older kernel to see if it gets the issue, and if not, the issue is 
> potentially the current kernel?

Yes that would be a good test.  There have been a lot of changes to the
fedora kernel SPEC file to clean it up, and streamline it.  It isn't
impossible that you are seeing a corner case side effect of that,
though unlikely.

> 
> regards,
> Steve
> 
> > To answer Stan's question from earlier, I've had lots of warm start 
> > reboots since updating the bios and adding in the keys for the
> > nvidia drivers.
> > Trying to identify which package may be causing the issue might be 
> > problematic, as I was on holidays for 6 weeks and did an update
> > when I got back, which updated around 350 packages.
> > I'll check the grub console when I reboot my system.
> > One other thing I forgot to mention, there is also an entry in the 
> > menu to boot into a UEFI shell, and when I try to boot into that it 
> > also gets the tpm errors.
> >
> > Just as an off-topic question, hd2 is my solid state drive
> > containing windows drive C, the UEFI partitions for Windows, F38
> > and Ubuntu, and the F38 and Ubuntu /boot partitions. That drive is
> > plugged into the first physical port on the motherboard, so why
> > does F38 not see it as hd0? The two drives it sees as hd0 and hd1
> > are plugged into ports 3 - 6 (I've got 4 3 TB hard drives).

I don't have an answer, but I wonder if there is an obscure setting in
the bios that is responsible.  What is the boot order set to?
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Re: /usr/src/kernels

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 18:17:34 +1000
"Michael D. Setzer II via users"  wrote:

> If someone knows of better way to accomplish the same. Seems 
> there should be a better method, but it seems to work.

I don't know if it is better, but if you run 
rpm -qf [directory in either /lib/modules or /usr/src/kernels]
it will tell you the name of the rpm package that owns it, or if there
is no owner, [directory name] is not owned by any package.
Maybe you can use that in some way to simplify the script.
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Re: How do I install the rescue kernel for fc38?

[stan via users]

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 04:14:03 -0700
ToddAndMargo via users  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Fedora 38
> 
> My rescue kernel is FC30.
> 
> How do I install the FC38 rescue kernel?

There isn't one, it is just an ordinary kernel with all drivers
available.

> 
> # dnf whatprovides kernel\* | grep -i rescue
> 

Always built locally.

> And my search engine is not helping.

I think you need to look at dracut.


The next time you are going to install a new kernel, delete the rescue
vmlinuz and initramfs.  The install will automatically build a rescue
kernel from the new kernel you are installing (or maybe the kernel you
are running, can't remember which).

Or, do the delete step, and run
/usr/lib/kernel/install.d/51-dracut-rescue.install add $(uname -r) "" 
/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/vmlinuz
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Re: TPM Error on Warm Boot From F38

[stan via users]

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 10:59:26 -0600
Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 08/27/2023 10:17 AM, stan via users wrote:
> > It sounds like a bug.  I think the messages are being generated
> > because when the system tries to mount the restarted partition, it
> > is already mounted because of the restart, and so you get both
> > errors.  
> 
> Shouldn't the journal show that it was mounted during the restart?

As Samuel pointed out, this is long before any system is running, so
nothing is saved in the journal because it isn't available yet when
these errors occur.  
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Re: TPM Error on Warm Boot From F38

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 17:53:24 -0700
Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 8/27/23 09:17, stan via users wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 10:53:48 +1000
> > Stephen Morris  wrote:
> > 
> > Caveat:  I don't have any knowledge about the tpm and grub2
> > interaction. 
> >>       Can anyone suggest what I need to look at to try to determine
> >> why this error is occurring?  
> > 
> > It sounds like a bug.  I think the messages are being generated
> > because when the system tries to mount the restarted partition, it
> > is already mounted because of the restart, and so you get both
> > errors.  The  
> 
> There's no way for the partition to be mounted.  That doesn't even
> make sense.  The OS isn't running, so "mounted" isn't a thing.

Sure, what you say makes sense, but then why is the partition not being
recognized?  Is it somehow marked as in use because of the suspend?  It
is being recognized during regular boot, so what is different during a
warm restart?
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Re: TPM Error on Warm Boot From F38

[stan via users]

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 10:53:48 +1000
Stephen Morris  wrote:

Caveat:  I don't have any knowledge about the tpm and grub2 interaction.

>      Can anyone suggest what I need to look at to try to determine
> why this error is occurring?

It sounds like a bug.  I think the messages are being generated because
when the system tries to mount the restarted partition, it is already
mounted because of the restart, and so you get both errors.  The
inability to mount the already mounted partition triggers the unknown
error.  How you would debug this is problematic, but it is a theory to
consider at least. Why it would suddenly start happening is another
question.  What were the updates immediately before this started
happening? Look in var/log/dnf.rpm.log.  If you find a likely culprit,
try downgrading it, or, if that doesn't work, go to koji and download
an older version and downgrade it locally.
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packages
dnf -C downgrade [downloaded package name]

Finally, have you actually had a successful warm restart since the
firmware update?  That is, can you really cross the firmware update off
the list of possibilities?
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Re: Last kernel update leads to emergency mode

[stan via users]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 13:02:12 +0100
Paul Smith  wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 4:23 PM stan via users
>  wrote:
> >  
> > > I have been able to take a screen-shot:
> > >
> > > https://i.imgur.com/nAsE6i6.jpg  
> >
> > This means that dracut was unable to start systemd in order to
> > continue the boot once the initramfs was finished creating the
> > bootstrap.  I have had this happen, but not with stock kernels.  I
> > build custom kernels, and dracut was not building a complete
> > initramfs when they were installed.  I had to write a script that
> > created a custom file that told dracut to include all missing
> > libraries, and run dracut again after install to fix the problem.
> > The missing libraries included some vital systemd libraries.
> > Because library versions change, I run the script to be sure that
> > the custom file includes the latest libraries. If this *is* the
> > cause, it will be obvious in /boot. The failing initramfs size will
> > be about half the size of an initramfs file that works.  I could
> > not find any reason that dracut wasn't working properly when it
> > first installed the kernel; all the settings said it should have
> > put those libraries in, but I just could not get it to do so.
> >
> > If it is your issue, post back and I'll attach the file of
> > libraries and the directory to put it in, as well as the dracut
> > command to run.  They might not work for you, since the version has
> > to be included.  There is also a way to actually examine what is in
> > the initramfs, so you could see if the systemd libraries were
> > there. From the dracut man page,
> >
> > Inspecting the Contents
> >To see the contents of the image created by dracut, you can
> > use the lsinitrd tool.
> >
> ># lsinitrd | less
> >
> >To display the contents of a file in the initramfs also use
> > the lsinitrd tool:
> >
> ># lsinitrd -f /etc/ld.so.conf
> >include ld.so.conf.d/*.conf  
> 
> Thanks to all for your help!
> 
> I have meanwhile been able to take photos from the
> 
> journalctl -xb
> 
> output, and I think that now the cause of the problem is isolated.
> 
> I was hopeful that the new kernel update would fix the problem, but
> it did not.
> 
> The photos of the journalctl logs are at:
> 
> https://i.imgur.com/NJAjOmN.jpg

You didn't show the listing of the /boot directory.

ls -n /boot/
or
ls -n /boot/initramfs*

Is the initramfs for the failing kernel smaller than the initramfs for
the successful kernel?  If you can still boot into an older kernel, you
can try rebuilding the initramfs manually, to see if it will fix any
problem. You have to run this within the /boot directory, as root or
sudo.  Your command should be something like the following.

# /usr/bin/dracut -f -v --no-compress --no-uefi 
initramfs-6.4.11-200.fc38.x86_64.img --kver 6.4.11-200.fc38.x86_64

I use no compression and no uefi, but you can remove those if they don't fit 
your system.

Once you have a new initramfs, run lsinitrd on it and redirect it into
a file.  Do the same for a working initramfs.  Then run a diff on the
two with the output piped to less.  For example,

lsinitrd /boot/initramfs-6.4.11-200.fc38.x86_64.img > new_initramfs.txt
lsinitrd /boot/initramfs-6.4.8-200.fc38.x86_64.img > old_initramfs.txt
diff old_initramfs.txt new_initramfs.txt | less

There should be almost no differences if the initramfs is OK.
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Re: dbind-Warning message that appears to be accessing file in /root??

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On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 01:34:54 +1000
"Michael D. Setzer II via users"  wrote:

> Filed a bugzilla under dbus since dbind didn't show up on list of 
> options? 

Makes sense. I can't even find any reference to that program.  Maybe it
is a function call of the dbus API?
 
> > Of course, at-spi is kind of suggestive, spi == spy?, so maybe this
> > is an exploit.  Is there anything in the journal when this happens?
> >  Try journalctl -r
> > immediately after the message occurs (journal in reverse order), to
> > look at recent messages.  
> 
> Was thinking the at was linked to assistive technologies, but was 
> just a guess.

I think you are right, given the accessibility references below.

> 
> this lines are from journalctl -r 
> Aug 26 01:31:24 setzconote.dyndns.org xfce4-accessibi[327578]:
> Content added to the action area of a dialog using heade>
> Aug 26 01:31:24 setzconote.dyndns.org xfce4-accessibi[327578]:
> Content added to the action area of a dialog using heade>
> Aug 26 01:31:24 setzconote.dyndns.org xfce4-accessibi[327578]:
> Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect>
> Aug 26 01:30:28 setzconote.dyndns.org xfce4-accessibi[327553]:
> Content added to the action area of a dialog using heade>
> Aug 26 01:30:28 setzconote.dyndns.org xfce4-accessibi[327553]:
> Content added to the action area of a dialog using heade>
> Aug 26 01:30:28 setzconote.dyndns.org xfce4-accessibi[327553]:
> Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect>
>
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Re: Last kernel update leads to emergency mode

[stan via users]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:44:52 +0100
Paul Smith  wrote:
 
> I have been able to take a screen-shot:
> 
> https://i.imgur.com/nAsE6i6.jpg

This means that dracut was unable to start systemd in order to continue
the boot once the initramfs was finished creating the bootstrap.  I
have had this happen, but not with stock kernels.  I build custom
kernels, and dracut was not building a complete initramfs when
they were installed.  I had to write a script that created a custom file
that told dracut to include all missing libraries, and run dracut again
after install to fix the problem.  The missing libraries included some
vital systemd libraries.  Because library versions change, I run the
script to be sure that the custom file includes the latest libraries.
If this *is* the cause, it will be obvious in /boot. The failing
initramfs size will be about half the size of an initramfs file that
works.  I could not find any reason that dracut wasn't working properly
when it first installed the kernel; all the settings said it should
have put those libraries in, but I just could not get it to do so.

If it is your issue, post back and I'll attach the file of libraries and
the directory to put it in, as well as the dracut command to run.  They
might not work for you, since the version has to be included.  There is
also a way to actually examine what is in the initramfs, so you could
see if the systemd libraries were there. From the dracut man page,

Inspecting the Contents
   To see the contents of the image created by dracut, you can use
the lsinitrd tool.
 
   # lsinitrd | less
 
   To display the contents of a file in the initramfs also use the
lsinitrd tool:
 
   # lsinitrd -f /etc/ld.so.conf
   include ld.so.conf.d/*.conf
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Re: dbind-Warning message that appears to be accessing file in /root??

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 22:02:12 +1000
"Michael D. Setzer II via users"  wrote:

> Seeing this from time to time running various commands from 
> terminal window a non-root user?
> Accessing a file in /root users directory?
> File is empty??
> srwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 0 Aug 24 20:41 /root/.cache/at-spi/bus_0.0
> 
> dbind-WARNING **: 21:52:09.319: Couldn't connect to 
> accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket 
> /root/.cache/at-spi/bus_0.0: Permission denied
> 
> If logged in with root in terminal window no warning message 
> appears.
> 
> The is no ~/.cache/at-spi subdirectory for users?
> 
> Seen with libreoffice and geany, so doesn't seem to be an 
> individual program issue?
> Fedora 37 with XFCE setup.

Sure sounds like a bug.  Programs shouldn't be accessing the home
directory of root.  If it really needs that directory, it
should be under another directory, maybe /run, not root.  I think you
should open a bugzilla against dbind, even if it isn't the actual cause,
showing the warning message, and mention the other programs that it
appears with.

Of course, at-spi is kind of suggestive, spi == spy?, so maybe this is
an exploit.  Is there anything in the journal when this happens?  Try
journalctl -r
immediately after the message occurs (journal in reverse order), to
look at recent messages.
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Re: Wrestling with UEFI

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On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 08:11:02 -0400
Robert McBroom via users  wrote:

> looked in system settings, screensaver settings, powermanager
> settings and did not find the magic button. Using LXDE.

I had this happen to me at one point because the XFCE screensaver
started automatically, even if XFCE wasn't running.  I have all the
desktops installed so I can use their programs even if I'm not running
them directly, and boot them if I choose.  So, if you have any other
desktop installed, or even other desktop applications, this might be
the case for you as well. It seems that Gnome has a default to go to
sleep automatically after 15 minutes of idle time, regardless of any
other settings.  The thread Tim pointed to has tips on how to turn that
off.
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Re: f38 & snapd

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On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 11:30:55 +0200
François Patte  wrote:

> No lights from anyone?
 
I don't use snaps and know almost nothing about snaps, but maybe this
link will help?

https://computingforgeeks.com/install-snapd-and-snap-applications-on-fedora/
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Re: Screen casting - help wanted

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On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 12:59:50 +0200
Wolfgang Pfeiffer  wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 07:56:13AM -0700, stan via users wrote:
> > [ ... ]
> >
> >1.  The problem with information on the web is that content
> >disappears, and it is so difficult to index in a way that allows it
> >to be found quickly when it is needed.  
> 
> archive.org might be your friend ... :)
> 
> If one doesn't want to link to an existing page, it's probably a good
> idea to at least make sure the content is on archive.org - just in
> case the original page disappears ..

Thanks for the heads up, I'll give it a look.
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Re: Screen casting - help wanted

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On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:46:51 +0200
Peter Boy  wrote:

> Please, could you check the additions? And maybe add some
> informations how to use? 

Hmm, the obs-studio entry was kind of bare bones, I'll put a little
blurb here to cut and paste.  It is based on the other response I
posted.

Open Broadcaster Software is available for Linux, Mac and Windows. It
can perform recording as well as screencast. It is very sophisticated,
but it can be used solely to capture snippets of videos off the web
playing on the local screen.

There is a version of obs-studio in the fedora repositories, but it
doesn't work for me.  It starts, but when I try to record, nothing
happens.  I think it must be missing some patent encumbered
functionality that is in the rpmfusion version, and that I am using.  It
might work for you, so you could try installing the fedora version
first. If it doesn't work, you will need the rpmfusion version.

sudo dnf install obs-studio

Here is the official project user quick start link,
https://obsproject.com/kb/quick-start-guide

If you are adventurous, just open a terminal in the gui, and type obs,
and you can use the settings tab. 

There are many online tutorials about how to use obs studio. Here are
some of them from youtube,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-puA85ciDEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muk9LfEWHeU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWbJJ4RnPx8 

I think many of the content creators on youtube use it, because its
main purpose is for live streaming, though it can also be used to
create videos with picture in picture, etc.  Doesn't hurt that it is
free (as in beer), a consideration when monetization is a few dollars
per thousand views.
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Re: Screen casting - help wanted

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On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:46:51 +0200
Peter Boy  wrote:

> Thanks to everybody for the suggestions. I renamed the article to
> Screen Recorder and added sections about chrome tool and OBS. It
> should be online in about half an hour, after the regular refresh of
> docs pages.
> 
> Please, could you check the additions? And maybe add some
> informations how to use? 

There are many online tutorials about how to use obs studio.  It is
very sophisticated, and I only use it to capture snippets [1] of videos
off the web.  If you are adventurous, just open a terminal in the
gui, and type obs, and you can use the settings tab. Here are some
tutorials on youtube,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-puA85ciDEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muk9LfEWHeU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWbJJ4RnPx8
I think many of the content creators on youtube use it, because its
main purpose is for live streaming, though it can also be used to
create videos with picture in picture, etc.  Doesn't hurt that it is
free (as in beer).  Here is the official project user quick start link,
https://obsproject.com/kb/quick-start-guide

1.  The problem with information on the web is that content disappears,
and it is so difficult to index in a way that allows it to be found
quickly when it is needed. I save emails, snapshots of content,
snapshots of web pages, local text how tos, bookmarks, and videos.  I
have read that it is possible to use something like ChatGPT locally to
index personal collections, but haven't tried it.  I think training it
locally would be time consuming.  It would be so much easier if I could
use vague natural language questions, and it would find the information
I have saved for me. Instead of knowing I have the information, but
searching for an hour (if I'm lucky) to find it.
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Re: Screen casting - help wanted

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On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:55:43 +0200
Peter Boy  wrote:

> We have a new Quick Docs article about comparison of various screen
> casting tools in Fedora:
> 
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/screencast-apps-comparison/
> 
> Everybody who used such a tool more or less recently, please habe a
> short look at the article and provide us with feedback
> 
> - is it adequate for Fedora 37/38/
> - is something wrong 
> - is something missing

obs-studio isn't mentioned on that page.  It can perform both
screencast and recording, though I only use it for recording.  The
recording functions seem similar to that of the simplescreenrecorder
that is mentioned there.

I haven't tried others, except for spectacle to capture screen shots
(works fine), so I now have new programs to experiment with.
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Re: Starting LXDE from xinit -- :0 xterm window

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On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 07:39:09 -0400
Robert McBroom via users  wrote:
 
> What shell are you using? In Bash--
> 
> ~]$ echo 'exec startlxde' >> $XCLIENTS
> 
> bash: $XCLIENTS: ambiguous redirect

My error.  I do this from a bash script, and have the variable XCLIENTS
defined in the script.  I just cut and pasted from the script, and
didn't notice the problem.  XCLIENTS is just ~/.Xclients, which is
where X (startx) expects to find the desktop definition.  It has been a
long time, but I think I found it somewhere in the X documentation.

> ~]$ XCLIENTS="exec startlxde"
> ~]$ echo $XCLIENTS
> exec startlxde

For execution from a login shell it should be 
echo 'exec startlxde' > ~/.Xclients
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Re: Fedora 38 - OpenBox destop environment not 100% in package

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On Mon, 07 Aug 2023 17:33:36 -
Cătălin George Feștilă  wrote:

> I try to install and use OpenBox on Fedora 38 but dnf doesn't install
> Obmenu, the Openbox themes are not shown in Onboard preference. I use
> dnf tool to install mistral but is not shown in the Onboard theme
> area. Any idea about this? Can this be an issue for the development
> and maintenance of the OpenBox environment package?

It looks like obmenu is no longer packaged in Fedora.  Probably
orphaned because no one wanted to manage / maintain it.  But it might be
because it had issues of some kind.

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=2667

You could try using the older version (a longshot) or building it from
the src.rpm of that older version.

There is a separate package, still current, called obconf, maybe it is a
replacement / substitute for obmenu?

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=2664
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Re: Starting LXDE from xinit -- :0 xterm window

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On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 13:09:35 -0400
Robert McBroom via users  wrote:

> Been having problems with f38 startup going to a blank screen with no 
> response to the keyboard, mouse. Was using sddm as the display
> manager. Can get around it by by booting in terminal mode. Starting
> the graphical mode with xinit -- :0 and lxsession in the resulting
> xterm window. Get the following messages in the window--
 
> The system is sthen somewhat usable but occasionally locks up. Is
> there a command to start a desktop environment before the session?

I always boot to multiuser / runlevel 3 and start X from there.  For
LXDE I use the following to put the correct command in ~/.Xclients
echo 'exec startlxde' >> $XCLIENTS
If you are always going to start LXDE, you should only have to do that
once.
Once that is in place, it is only necessary to run 
startx -- vt10 
to put the desktop on F10, so that messages will appear on F1.  You can
just run startx if you want the desktop on F1.

I am using openbox as the desktop manager when I start LXDE
(set in the LXDE configuration file,
.config/lxsession/LXDE/desktop.conf).  I haven't tried sddm, it might
just work if it is your default if you use the above procedure.
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Re: Help: Interrupted dnf update, second update fails with duplicate packages

[stan via users]

A new issue is best started in a separate thread instead of hijacking
someone else's thread, as you did.  It keeps threads neat and tidy too.

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 15:11:06 -0700
richard emberson  wrote:

> I had a "dnf update" interrupted.

At what stage was it interrupted?  If it was during update it isn't as
problematic as if it is during cleanup, I think, when a package could
be left in a partially finished state.

> 
> Running "dnf clean all" and then "dnf update" again results in:
> 
> Running transaction check
> Transaction check succeeded.
> Running transaction test
> The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next successful
> transaction. You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean
> packages'. Error: Transaction test error:
>file /usr/share/doc/glib2/NEWS from install of
> glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686 conflicts with file from package
> glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64 file
> /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo from install of
> glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686 conflicts with file from package
> glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64 file
> /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo from install of
> glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686 conflicts with file from package
> glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64 ... 160 lines of "... conflicts with
> file from package ..."
> 
> Running "dnf check" gives:
> NetworkManager-1:1.42.6-1.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with
> NetworkManager-1:1.42.8-1.fc38.x86_64 ...
> systemd-253.5-1.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with
> systemd-253.7-1.fc38.x86_64 ...
> systemd-udev-253.5-1.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with
> systemd-udev-253.7-1.fc38.x86_64 ...
> xxhash-libs-0.8.1-4.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with
> xxhash-libs-0.8.2-1.fc38.x86_64 Error: Check discovered 430 problem(s)
> 
> 
> What is the problem (aside from the fact that I interrupted the
> update) and How can I recover?

I think it was better not to run dnf clean all.  You should have just
run a repeat of dnf update because the system would have been in a sane
state.  By running clean all, you wiped all metadata.

I think the errors are because there is some cruft left over from the
update.  Try using
dnf distrosync
If that doesn't work, you can try
dnf -x glib2 update
to see if it will fix all the other problems and ignore glib2 for now.
Usually, the problem that glib2 is reporting is a packaging error, but
I suspect it isn't in this case because of the update interrupt.  Once
everything else is fixed, you might have to manually remove the glib2
packages in conflict because they are cruft left over from the
interrupted update.
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Re: Since F38 Upgrade, Thunderbird Opens as Tiny, Postage Stamp

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On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 09:55:48 -0400
Tim Evans  wrote:

> Should have asked about this sooner, as it's something I've seen
> since the very first F38 upgrade. Not sure if this is Fedora or
> Thunderbird issue.
> 
> When Thunderbird opens, it does so postage-stamp size, way up in
> upper left hand corner of window, so small I almost missed it at
> first. Right-clicking "maximize" restores it to full screen display.

I don't know if this will work in wayland, but in X (in LXDE and
LXQT), if a window is in focus, hitting F11 makes it full size.
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Re: Need help; safe way to shrink my fedora38 installation disk

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:47:50 +0200
KarlderLetzte  wrote:

> Am Donnerstag, dem 27.07.2023 um 08:27 -0700 schrieb stan via users:
> > On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 19:21:50 +0200
> > KarlderLetzte  wrote:
> >   
> > > hello everybody,
> > > 
> > > i need some space on disk for a second installation.
> > > therefore i want to safely shrink my fedora installation.
> > > 
> > > here is the disk layout:  
> > 
> > [snip]
> >   
> > > i tried it with gparted, but if i want to shrink, a warning
> > > appears,
> > > that it is possible,to not boot anymore.
> > > 
> > > my question:
> > > is there a safe way to shrink?  
> > 
> > I don't know that I would even be able to help, since I use fixed
> > ext4
> > partitions for the same purpose, but I think the output of df would
> > give a better idea of your system layout and partition sizes and
> > usage
> > in case there is someone who *can* help.  
> 
> here is the output of df and btrfs filesystem.
> i resized the filesystem to a desired value.
> my ssd has 500GB capacity.
> it is the nvme0n1..6
> 
> sudo btrfs filesystem sync /
> sudo btrfs filesystem df /
> Data, single: total=195.01GiB, used=154.75GiB
> System, single: total=4.00MiB, used=48.00KiB
> Metadata, single: total=5.01GiB, used=2.21GiB
> GlobalReserve, single: total=301.27MiB, used=0.00B
> 
> df
> Dateisystem1K-Blöcke   Benutzt Verfügbar Verw% Eingehängt auf
> devtmpfs4096 0  40960% /dev
> tmpfs7850952 0   78509520% /dev/shm
> tmpfs3140384  1964   31384201% /run
> /dev/nvme0n1p6 282561536 164889684 115040620   59% /
> /dev/nvme0n1p6 282561536 164889684 115040620   59% /home
> tmpfs785095212   78509401% /tmp
> /dev/nvme0n1p5996780355908572060   39% /boot
> /dev/nvme0n1p4613184 177965953883% /boot/efi
> tmpfs1570188   192   15699961% /run/user/1000
> /dev/sda1 495312  59204123522%
> /run/media/held/40f020fb-33eb-406b-a3b0-7f7ba297557b

No one is stepping forward, but this looks fairly straightforward, since
there is unused space; I think the commands in man btrfs-filesystem
and man btrfs-subvolume are what you want, but I am not qualified to
tell you how to use them.  It seems there aren't any btrfs experts on
this list.  Maybe try discourse, the web forum?  Or a web search might
turn up a recipe, since this has to be a common request.

 
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Re: OT: sed or awk command to add a file extension

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 12:31:49 +
olivares33561 via users  wrote:

> Dear fellow Fedora users
> 
> I have a file with entries
> 
> \input{file1}
> \input{file2}
> ...
> \input{fileN}
> 
> How can I add extension
> \input{file1.eps}
> \input{file2.eps}
> .
> \input{file3.eps}

I could try to hack something together in sed, but I would just do this
in vim.

vim [filename]
:s/\}$/.eps}/g1000
:wq

where the 1000 is >= to the number of lines you want to change.  I
did a quick test, and it worked.  The command is probably very similar
in sed, but there is the plumbing that I am not familiar with.
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Re: Need help; safe way to shrink my fedora38 installation disk

[stan via users]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 19:21:50 +0200
KarlderLetzte  wrote:

> hello everybody,
> 
> i need some space on disk for a second installation.
> therefore i want to safely shrink my fedora installation.
> 
> here is the disk layout:

[snip]

> i tried it with gparted, but if i want to shrink, a warning appears,
> that it is possible,to not boot anymore.
> 
> my question:
> is there a safe way to shrink?

I don't know that I would even be able to help, since I use fixed ext4
partitions for the same purpose, but I think the output of df would
give a better idea of your system layout and partition sizes and usage
in case there is someone who *can* help.

I'm not familiar with btrfs from using it, only from reading the
comments of people responding to problems, but from what I understand,
this should be *easy* in btrfs for someone who knows what they are
doing (definitely not me!).
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Re: console logging during shutdown.

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On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 19:43:13 -0600
home user  wrote:

> On 7/25/23 2:42 PM, Barry Scott wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I uninstall plymouth so that there is no splash screen on many of
> > my systems so that I can see the console messages.
> > 
> > Without plymouth systemd will show start up and shutdown messages
> > on the console.  
> 
> I checked; dnf confirms I have plymouth.
[snip]
> So I'm very nervous about removing plymouth.  Is there a way of
> controlling shutdown (and boot-up) logging via configuration files?

I have plymouth installed, and see messages at both start and exit on
f37.  I think the key thing to get that behavior with plymouth
installed is to remove the rhgb and quiet from the kernel command line.
Try it first, by hitting a key during boot to bring up the grub command
line so you can edit it, and remove those.  If that works, change the
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub so that it becomes the default.
You might have to rebuild the grub.conf menu in /boot/grub2 using
grub2-mkconfig -o grub.cfg
to get the change to take.
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Re: Cannot update Edge

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On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 14:47:08 +0100
Paul Smith  wrote:

> When trying to install Edge, I get the following error message:
> 
> # dnf update
> Last metadata expiration check: 2:49:11 ago on Sun 23 Jul 2023
> 11:55:12 AM WEST. Dependencies resolved.
> 
>  Package  Arch  Version Repository
>  Size
> 
> Upgrading: microsoft-edge-stablex86_64115.0.1901.183-1
> microsoft-edge145 M
> 
> Transaction Summary
> 
> Upgrade  1 Package
> 
> Total size: 145 M
> Is this ok [y/N]: y
> Downloading Packages:
> [SKIPPED] microsoft-edge-stable-115.0.1901.183-1.x86_64.rpm: Already
> downloaded Problem opening package
> microsoft-edge-stable-115.0.1901.183-1.x86_64.rpm The downloaded
> packages were saved in cache until the next successful transaction.
> You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'.
> Error: GPG check FAILED
> #
> 
> Any ideas?

I think that has to be a proprietary package.  I can't find it in the
fedora repos.  So, it is saying that the check to validate the package
was unchanged from when it was built failed.  Is it because it was
altered?  Is it because the gpg keys are mismatched?  We don't know.
The place to bring this up is wherever you got the package.  If you are
absolutely sure you want to install a potentially malignant package,
you can override the gpg check with the --nogpgcheck option.  It says
that can be overridden in return, by the rpm policy.  So you could
force install it using rpm directly.  My advice is not to do that, but
to find why the chain of trust seems to be broken.
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Re: F38 install issues

[stan via users]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:33:04 -0400
Matt Morgan  wrote:

> Hi. I haven't been here for a long time, which I guess is a testament
> to how well Fedora works these days.

True.

> I have a new laptop, set up with Windows, that I'm trying to install
> F38 on. I used the media writer to make a USB boot/install drive. It
> booted fine, and I clicked to install to hard drive.

Is this a live image?  I thought that when they were installed, they
just were copied directly onto the drive.  I always use netinstall.
But, wouldn't you still have to tell it which partitions or space to
use, or does it automatically divine that the efi partition should be
/boot/efi?

> I took about half of the 1TB SSD for Fedora, and told it to continue.
> Then I left for a few minutes. When I came back, the computer had
> booted to the USB drive again (it appeared). I removed the USB drive
> and rebooted again.

I think something critical happened in those few minutes.  :-)

> The system booted to Windows with no indication of a grub boot menu.
> The drive was missing the space I'd reclaimed, so clearly that
> worked, at least partly. But nothing I do seems to get it to boot
> linux or drop me at a grub menu.

If it was installed while secure boot (UEFI) was active, it will only
boot in UEFI mode.  If the system doesn't know where /boot/efi is, it
can't boot in UEFI mode.

> When I boot off the usb drive, it works, but I don't see any
> linux-related files on the SSD. So basically it looks like the drive
> got partitioned, at least partly, and the install didn't run. So I'm
> trying to run the install again, but no combination of clicks is
> getting me what I want.
> 
> 1) For "Installation Destination," I see "Error checking storage
> configuration." I click on that, and it has the one device for me to
> install to. At the bottom, it says "Error checking storage
> configuration." When I "click for details," I get
> 
> ---
> The following erros were encountered when checking your storage
> configuration. You can modify your storage layout or quit the
> installer.
> 
> Failed to find a suitable stage 1 device: EFI System Partition must be
> mounted on one of /boot/efi.; EFI System Partition cannot be of type
> None.; EFI System Partition cannot be of type ntfs.; EFI System
> Partition must be mounted on one of /boot/efi.; EFI System Partition
> cannot be of type ext4.; EFI System Partition must e mounted on one
> of /boot/efi.; EFI System Partition cannot be of type btrfs,; EFI
> System Partition must e mounted on one of /boot/efi.
> 

This is because it can't find /boot/efi to boot in UEFI mode.

> If I then go into "BLIVET GUI PARTITIONING" I do see a Btrfs volume,
> labeled "fedora_locahost-live," of 460GB. It has "home" and "root"
> subvolumes. It has no mountpoints for / and /home, but I can add them.
> Still, I guess it wants me to tell it where to put /boot? What do I
> do?
> 
> For reference, when I look at the drive in BLIVET I see
> 
> device type  format  size  label
> mountpoint nvme0n1p1  partition efi 100MiB
> nvme0n1p2  partition 16MiB
> nvme0n1p3  partition ntfs491.34GiB
> nvme0n1p5  partition ext41024MiB   fedora_localhost-live
> nvme0n1p4  partition ntfs662MiB
> 
> So the overall picture I'm getting is that the first install didn't
> finish partitioning the drive (since I don't see anywhere for /boot)
> and didn't do any of the install. But a) I'm not really confident in
> that assessment b) I don't know what to do next, in any case. Is it
> nvwe0n1p2 where /boot was meant to go?

I don't know windows, but I have heard that there is sometimes
a recovery partition that you wouldn't want to clobber, could that be
p4?  Or maybe that is p2?  If it is p4, maybe that is the reason that
it wasn't allocated as btrfs, and so the fs type was left as ntfs.
If p4 is actually the install space for / in Fedora, you could boot the
live image, and use gdisk (or fdisk) to remove the above partitions in
the space you want to use for Fedora. I think that would be p5 and p4
(if it isn't windows recovery). Then, try to install from the live image
again, but be sure to assign /boot/efi to the existing efi partition
for windows so both fedora and windows can boot from it.

An alternative if the above doesn't work.  I haven't used the netinstall
for a while, and it isn't live, but it allows for custom partitioning,
which seems to be what you need. I think it is still hub and spoke;
there are discussions of some kind of html anaconda interface, but I
don't think it is default yet. If it is still hub and spoke, you would
select the custom partitioning spoke and tell it to use the existing
efi partition as /boot/efi, and then allocate the rest for /boot and /.
 On the scheme above it looks like, as Samuel said, /boot would be
assigned to p5 and / would be assigned to p4, if it isn't the windows
recovery partition.  

Then, because a netinstall is minimal (runlevel multiuser), you could
ask it to install 

Re: Not enough swap space to hibernate

[stan via users]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:32:19 +0100
Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> To clarify: I'm setting Permissive mode, which according to TFM should
> allow the operation but log it. However nothing is being logged as far
> as I can see (at least nothing is shown by the journal), even though
> when the mode is Enforcing it's being blocked.

A year or two ago, there was someone on this list who wanted to do
this, and if I recall correctly, succeeded.  I don't remember the
details, but they would be in the archives.  Unfortunately, needle in
haystack, though search engine might be able to pull it up.
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Re: OT: Ways to figure what causing High Ping Loss that require power cycling cable modem??

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On Sun, 09 Jul 2023 21:50:13 +1000
"Michael D. Setzer II via users"  wrote:

> Island got hit with a Typhoon Cat 3/Cat 4 that caused lots of 
> damage to all internet providers. Power at house was out for a 
> week. They are still working on lots of issues.
> 
> Can figure when issue happens, and power cycle on cable modem 
> fixes it. Wonder if there might be some process to find way to 
> prevent it from happening or way to have script software reset 
> modem. Years ago had way to reboot Surfboard modem, but now 
> ISP using Arriss cable modems. Web access has no reboot option?
> Thanks.

Just a guess here, but is it possible that the ISP is cycling limited
bandwidth through their customer base because of the problems?  Thus,
you get hit periodically, and when you reboot, you get allocated from
the current group.  You could ask them.

Also, I don't have a cable modem, but on my modem, in the menus, there
is an option to ask for a new lease (?), I think it is called.  That
is, it drops the current connection and goes through the sign on
protocol with the ISP to get assigned a new IP address.  Does your
modem have something similar?  Easier than a power cycle? Maybe.
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Re: vcpkg search .. not work on fedora 39

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On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 20:19:00 -
Cătălin George Feștilă  wrote:

> After installing with dnf5 I got an error like this when I try to use
> the vcpkg search  :
> 
> error: Could not detect vcpkg-root. If you are trying to use a copy
> of vcpkg  ... you must define the VCPKG_ROOT ...
> 
> Any idea?

There isn't really any documentation with the package, but you could try
export VCPKG_ROOT=/usr/lib/.build-id/d6
The above assumes it is the location of the library. But maybe it is the
location of the working directory?  There is also a script at
/etc/profile.d/vcpkg.sh
Maybe it is looking for one of these when it starts. The alternative is
to look in the code and see how it wants to use vcpkg-root.
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Re: Restarting video driver to turn on external vga port

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On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 13:18:20 -0700
Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 7/1/23 08:37, stan via users wrote:
> > failed with no package, he should know to use
> > rpm -qf /usr/bin/xrandr or rpm -qf /usr/sbin/xrandr
> > to find out which package owns that executable so he can install
> > it.  
> 
> That only works if the package is already installed.

Thanks for the correction.  I guess I only ever used it on packages I
had installed.
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Re: Restarting video driver to turn on external vga port

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On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:13:53 +0100
Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> I had a similar reaction until I checked. It turns out that dnf is
> smart enough to determine the package from the executable name:
> 
> $ sudo dnf install /usr/bin/xrandr
> Last metadata expiration check: 2:57:58 ago on Sat 01 Jul 2023
> 15:12:20 BST.
> Package xrandr-1.5.2-2.fc38.x86_64 is already installed.
> Dependencies resolved.
> Nothing to do.
> Complete!
> 
> From 'man dnf':
> 
>dnf install vim
>   DNF  will  automatically  recognize  that vim is not a
> package name, but will look up and install a package that provides
> vim with all the required dependencies. Note: Package name match has
> precedence over package provides match.
> 
> 
> You learn something new every day.

Yes, I did!  Thanks.
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Re: Restarting video driver to turn on external vga port

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On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 07:59:26 +0100
Barry  wrote:

> On 30 Jun 2023, at 18:26, Robert Moskowitz 
> wrote:

> >> "xrandr --query" may have some useful info.
> >> 
> > # xrandr --query
> > -bash: xrandr: command not found
> > 
> 
> > 
> >> Check "inxi -Fzx" for missing graphics hardware.
> >> 
> > # inxi -Fzx
> > -bash: inxi: command not found
> > 
> FYI to install a command you can do this:
> 
> $ sudo dnf install /usr/bin/xrandr
> $ sudo dnf install /usr/bin/inxi
> Etc.

Robert has been using Fedora and on this list for years.  I'm not sure
if the above installing commands were his automatic response because
he didn't say, but it should have been.  And if the install command
failed with no package, he should know to use
rpm -qf /usr/bin/xrandr or rpm -qf /usr/sbin/xrandr
to find out which package owns that executable so he can install it.
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Re: SOLUTION: Re: journal / systemd colours ?

[stan via users]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 14:46:38 +0100
Barry Scott  wrote:

> > On 30 Jun 2023, at 14:15, stan via users
> >  wrote:

> > This is correct.  After I posted this, I found that it is
> > impossible to actually set the colors in journalctl because they
> > are hard coded as escape sequences when the data is written into
> > the journal.  What I had done is remove the R option to less, which
> > turns off such escape sequences.  In my case, the less options I
> > set for color then seems to highlight the ESC in light red, so I
> > know which lines journalctl wants to highlight, but not their
> > status.  That isn't optimal, but the horrible dark blue on black
> > background is gone, so I can live with it.  
> 
> I would be nice to be able to configure the colours used. Would need
> a PR against systemd I expect to get this changed.
> 
> One hack would be to edit the output and replace the escape sequence
> for the poor colour to use a replacement using sed I guess.
> 
> For example change the blue to red.
> 
> SYSTEMD_COLORS=16 journalctl  | sed 's/\x1b\[0;34m/\x1b\[0;31m/g' |
> more
> 
> I use more not less and notice that less does not show the coloured
> output.
> 
> Barry

Thanks, this worked for me with both more and less, and the red is much
more palatable. I think the default for less is not to have --use-color
set, so that is probably why it didn't work for you.  I set it on login.

This could be put as a function in .bashrc so that invoking something
like jrctl would run it automatically.  I'm not sure how that would
work for the OP who wanted to use cat though.

I tried 
$ SYSTEMD_COLORS=16 journalctl -r  | sed 's/\x1b\[0;34m/\x1b\[0;31m/g' | cat -
and it worked to send the output colored correctly to stdout, but there
was no paging, it just was a continuous stream.
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Re: SOLUTION: Re: journal / systemd colours ?

[stan via users]

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 17:44:01 +0200
lejeczek via users  wrote:

> On 28/06/2023 20:26, stan via users wrote:
> > Operator error.  Exporting the wrong name because of a cut and
> > paste. Once I fixed that, definitely works to change colors in
> > journalctl output, will have to tune it to get what I want.
> > I put this in my .bashrc so everything is set on login.
> > SYSTEMD_PAGER=less
> > export SYSTEMD_PAGER
> > SYSTEMD_LESS="[list of less options]"
> > export SYSTEMD_LESS
> > ___  
> Not exactly, I'd not think of it as _the_ solution - (I much 

This is correct.  After I posted this, I found that it is impossible to
actually set the colors in journalctl because they are hard coded as
escape sequences when the data is written into the journal.  What I had
done is remove the R option to less, which turns off such escape
sequences.  In my case, the less options I set for color then seems to
highlight the ESC in light red, so I know which lines journalctl wants
to highlight, but not their status.  That isn't optimal, but the
horrible dark blue on black background is gone, so I can live with it.

> prefer to up pages via actual mechanical scrolling) - 
> as I use, always I've had, SYSTEMD_PAGER=cat so...
> 
> man page for 'journalctl' has a shor section:
> When outputting to a tty, lines are colored according to 
> priority: lines of level ERROR and higher are colored red;
>     lines of level NOTICE and higher are highlighted; 
> lines of level DEBUG are colored lighter grey; other lines are
>     displayed normally.
> 
> would be nice to be able to customize those & if 'systemd' 
> delegates declaration of that 'highlighting' colour then 
> these below do not do it:
> a) terminal-colors.d - perhaps systemd/journal ignores it 
> altogether
> b) gnome-terminal has config for 'Highlight colour'
> 
> It would be great/the best to have that functionality 
> internal to systemd/journal - thus, if authors/devel might 
> read here - please think of this conversation's subject as 
> possible future addition/enhancement to the software.

Yes, this would be the solution.  Unless there is some setting in
systemd already that allows for changing the colors, they are set by
systemd when it writes things into the journal, probably based on what
the application requests when it reports the error.
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SOLUTION: Re: journal / systemd colours ?

[stan via users]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:10:05 -0700
stan  wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:17:45 -0700
> stan via users  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:08:38 +0100
> > Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:  
> 
> > > See also 'man journalctl' and search for PAGER.
> > 
> > This is also relevant.  Unfortunately, it seems that journalctl
> > ignores the input of SYSTEMD_LESS.  It is hard to tell, because
> > there is no example of the kind of input it wants or whether it
> > only accepts options without arguments, as the default options all
> > are.  I would probably have to look at the journalctl code to
> > determine if they are hard coded into the program.  There is no
> > configuration file to set them in any case.  
> 
> So, the code for journalctl shows it reading the options from the
> variables, and invoking less with those options, but it doesn't seem
> to affect the behavior of running journalctl, or at least the colors
> don't change.  Maybe I'll look more closely at some point, but no joy
> for now.

Operator error.  Exporting the wrong name because of a cut and paste.
Once I fixed that, definitely works to change colors in journalctl
output, will have to tune it to get what I want.
I put this in my .bashrc so everything is set on login.
SYSTEMD_PAGER=less
export SYSTEMD_PAGER
SYSTEMD_LESS="[list of less options]"
export SYSTEMD_LESS
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Re: journal / systemd colours ?

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On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:17:45 -0700
stan via users  wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:08:38 +0100
> Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> > See also 'man journalctl' and search for PAGER.  
> 
> This is also relevant.  Unfortunately, it seems that journalctl
> ignores the input of SYSTEMD_LESS.  It is hard to tell, because there
> is no example of the kind of input it wants or whether it only accepts
> options without arguments, as the default options all are.  I would
> probably have to look at the journalctl code to determine if they are
> hard coded into the program.  There is no configuration file to set
> them in any case.

So, the code for journalctl shows it reading the options from the
variables, and invoking less with those options, but it doesn't seem to
affect the behavior of running journalctl, or at least the colors don't
change.  Maybe I'll look more closely at some point, but no joy for now.
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Re: journal / systemd colours ?

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On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:08:38 +0100
Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> On Wed, 2023-06-28 at 08:37 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:01:06 +0100
> > Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> >   
> > > On Wed, 2023-06-28 at 15:32 +0200, lejeczek via users wrote:  
> > > > Hi guys.
> > > > 
> > > > I wonder if somebody might know how to customize, to change 
> > > > systemd journal's colours?
> > > > I'm specifically thinking of changing 'WARN' warnings which 
> > > > get - in my opinion unfortunate, for I use other than white 
> > > > background colours - painted in yellow.    
> > > 
> > > AFAIK these are just the colours used by your default pager,
> > > normally
> > > 'less', so e.g. 'man less' for more information.  
> > 
> > Thanks for this pointer, serendipity as just last week I was
> > wondering
> > about this also.  
> 
> See also 'man journalctl' and search for PAGER.

This is also relevant.  Unfortunately, it seems that journalctl ignores
the input of SYSTEMD_LESS.  It is hard to tell, because there is no
example of the kind of input it wants or whether it only accepts
options without arguments, as the default options all are.  I would
probably have to look at the journalctl code to determine if they are
hard coded into the program.  There is no configuration file to set
them in any case.

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Re: journal / systemd colours ?

[stan via users]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:01:06 +0100
Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> On Wed, 2023-06-28 at 15:32 +0200, lejeczek via users wrote:
> > Hi guys.
> > 
> > I wonder if somebody might know how to customize, to change 
> > systemd journal's colours?
> > I'm specifically thinking of changing 'WARN' warnings which 
> > get - in my opinion unfortunate, for I use other than white 
> > background colours - painted in yellow.  
> 
> AFAIK these are just the colours used by your default pager, normally
> 'less', so e.g. 'man less' for more information.

Thanks for this pointer, serendipity as just last week I was wondering
about this also.
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Re: journal / systemd colours ?

[stan via users]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:32:12 +0200
lejeczek via users  wrote:

> Hi guys.
> 
> I wonder if somebody might know how to customize, to change 
> systemd journal's colours?
> I'm specifically thinking of changing 'WARN' warnings which 
> get - in my opinion unfortunate, for I use other than white 
> background colours - painted in yellow.

Thanks for asking this.  I was just thinking about this last week
because I don't like the dark blue color that is used for some entries
in the journal. But it slipped away into the stream of daily noise, so
this reminded me.
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Re: I can confirm that Fortigate firewalls are definitely based on Linux

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On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 21:19:04 +0800
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming  wrote:

> Do you guys know which Linux distro Fortigate firewalls are based on?
> I would like to know. This will be very interesting.

This seems to be a commercial product.  You could ask on their website.
https://www.fortinet.com/products/next-generation-firewall

If you are installing them as a service, they should be willing to help
you if you point out that you are a customer.
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Re: What causes mailing list bounce?

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On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 10:49:48 -0400
Robert McBroom via users  wrote:

> Received a strange message from the kde list.
> 
> -
> 
> Your membership in the mailing list kde-linux has been disabled due to
> excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> 09-Jun-2023.  You will not get any more messages from this list until
> you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 2 more reminders like
> this before your membership in the list is deleted.
> 
> To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message
> (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at
> 
>  
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/confirm/kde-linux/79e4115aeba3fe910fe5322ff3dc34246fb5cd6c
> 
> _
> As far as I can tell mail from all the other traffic on other lists
> is coming through with no problems. I'm using Thunderbird with
> Yahoo.com as my mail service.

I think bounces are when a destination rejects email for transit.
Usually this is because of the rules they have implemented to filter
spam.  I've read that Yahoo is notorious for this.  Maybe someone else
can shed more light.  From the perspective of the kde list, this
appears to be a mail address that has gone stale, and so they stop
sending to it.
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Re: Long time after login on Fedora 38 KDE

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On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 15:38:46 +0200
"ogio.spam"  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I experience a long time after password to obtain the desktop ready.
> Just to be clear, the problem is only with a user. Another user is not
> showing this behaviour.
> 
> The good user is a new fresh user, the not working is a user with the
> home directory copied from an old Fedora with KDE.
> 
> I worked on startup, removing all of them, but the problem is still
> there.
> 
> There is a way to check what is appening after enter password?

I don't know of a way.  But, what you could do is create a new user,
and validate that login is fast.  Then, one by one move over the
configuration items from the failing user to the new user's home
directory.  One of them will be the cause of this.  It might be in the
.bashrc or .bash_profile files if they are complex, so you would have to
comment lines to narrow it down.

The delay is probably that you are requesting something that is timing
out.  That might be a service that no longer exists.
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Re: GRUB Issue? Console Fonts and messages?

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On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:20:30 -0400 (EDT)
Max Pyziur  wrote:

> However, on bootup, when I want to access the kernel menu, or view
> the scrolling messages as the system and processes are started, I
> assume that I have to alter grub configurations, yes?
> 
> I've reviewed some webpages on grub configurations, but it's easily
> been a generation since the days of FC2 (or FC3) when I adjusted grub.
> 
> Any guidence here would be helpful

In the file /etc/default/grub you can set the font on the kernel
command line.  There is probably some way to set it elsewhere (dracut?,
systemd?), but this works.
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 LANG=en_US.UTF-8"
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Re: Startup Problems

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 01:07:38 -0400
Robert McBroom via users  wrote:

> On 6/10/23 09:35, stan via users wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 00:26:09 -0400
> > Robert McBroom via users  wrote:
> >  
> >> The original install went to  the 495.44 version of the nvidia
> >> driver but my card GT 710 requires  the 470 version. I see in the
> >> journal
> >>
> >> May 23 13:26:58 HPZ440.attlocal.net systemd[2911]: Started
> >> app-nvidia\x2dsettings\x2d470xx\x2duser@autostart.service  -
> >> nvidia-settings. May 23 13:26:59 HPZ440.attlocal.net kernel: NVRM:
> >> API mismatch: the client has the version 495.44, but
> >>       NVRM: this kernel
> >> module has the version 470.182.03.  Please
> >>       NVRM: make sure that
> >> this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver
> >>       NVRM: components have
> >> the same version.  
> > So, if your video card requires the 470 driver, and you have the 495
> > driver installed, how is the multiuser console working?  Is it using
> > nouveau?  How is XFCE able to use the wrong driver, but kde isn't?
> > Are there base features in all nvidia drivers, and kde uses features
> > of the 470 not in the base features of 495?  
> 
> The installer tried to use the 495.44 driver which of course failed. 
> Using the terminal mode the 470 driver from rpmfusion was installed. 
> NVIDIA has moved on and no longer has a 495 series. Couldn't figure
> out what client is being referred to by the messages.
> 
> The question is what is the meaning of the messages in the journal?

It reads like there are some artifacts on the system from another
nvidia driver.  Maybe run
rpm -qa | grep -i nvidia
to see if rpm shows something from other versions.  If that isn't true,
maybe there is some leftover configuration that refers to other
versions, probably in your home directory.  Or, it seems unlikely, but
maybe the rpmfusion package has an error, part of it still referring to
another version of nvidia.
 
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Re: 1st problem when installing f38

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On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 21:56:03 +0200
Peter Boy  wrote:

> I probably don’t count as an expert. But software raid introduces a
> property „raid-member“ (not literally but something like that). Each
> raid gets a UUID and all members of a specific raid get the same UUID
> that identifies them as belonging together. I guess, the problem is
> not that the disks have the same UUID but a missing value of a
> property elsewhere indicating how to interpret that property. 
> 
> I guess it is quite pointless to find the mistake. Even if you would
> identify it, there might be no tool to fix it. And binary-editing a
> disk sector may be quite a challenge.

Thanks to you also for correcting my understanding.
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Re: 1st problem when installing f38

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On Fri, 09 Jun 2023 10:02:19 -0700
"Doug Herr"  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 9, 2023, at 9:38 AM, stan via users wrote:
> > On Fri, 09 Jun 2023 09:48:25 +0200
> > François Patte  wrote:
> >  
> >> No answer... Is this problem so uncommon?  Or so obvious?  
> > [snip]
> > It is as if
> > they were assigned the same UUID *because* they were in a raid.
> > [snip]  
> 
> That is normal for linux raid. Here is a sample of an MD raid1:
> 
> blkid | grep -E "sda1|sdb1|md1"
> /dev/sdb1: UUID="deb9b913-0a73-90d8-6b37-12e5156fce03"
> UUID_SUB="50b1ecf9-a7bd-6ba5-131e-4bbde91735c8"
> LABEL="wombat.wombatz.com:boot" TYPE="linux_raid_member"
> PARTUUID="28f4447c-01"
> 
> /dev/sda1: UUID="deb9b913-0a73-90d8-6b37-12e5156fce03"
> UUID_SUB="8efb2a67-f08a-4ba9-186f-11f7afec25c7"
> LABEL="wombat.wombatz.com:boot" TYPE="linux_raid_member"
> PARTUUID="87e58b90-01"
> 
> /dev/md1: UUID="72f36fca-b84e-45f4-8621-d85b14a32ff3"
> BLOCK_SIZE="4096" TYPE="ext4"
> 
> 
> Note that the "UUID" is the same, but they can be differentiated by
> the "UUID_SUB".

Thanks, I learned something.
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Re: Startup Problems

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On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 00:26:09 -0400
Robert McBroom via users  wrote:

> The original install went to  the 495.44 version of the nvidia driver 
> but my card GT 710 requires  the 470 version. I see in the journal
> 
> May 23 13:26:58 HPZ440.attlocal.net systemd[2911]: Started 
> app-nvidia\x2dsettings\x2d470xx\x2duser@autostart.service -
> nvidia-settings. May 23 13:26:59 HPZ440.attlocal.net kernel: NVRM:
> API mismatch: the client has the version 495.44, but
>      NVRM: this kernel module 
> has the version 470.182.03.  Please
>      NVRM: make sure that
> this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver
>      NVRM: components have
> the same version.

So, if your video card requires the 470 driver, and you have the 495
driver installed, how is the multiuser console working?  Is it using
nouveau?  How is XFCE able to use the wrong driver, but kde isn't?
Are there base features in all nvidia drivers, and kde uses features
of the 470 not in the base features of 495?

I'm not the best person to help you, since I haven't run nvidia for a
while, but can you somehow downgrade the version of driver you have?
Maybe go to rpmfusion and download the version you need and run
dnf -C downgrade [nvidia version you need rpm]
while in the directory you downloaded the rpm to.
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Re: Startup Problems

[stan via users]

On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 00:30:06 -0400
Robert McBroom via users  wrote:

> What do I need to do to get the system to boot to the desktop?

Does journalctl show anything from the failed boot to a desktop?  There
should be some kind of underlying error that is reported.  

You could try another desktop manager / greeter.  You would have to
remove the 3 from the kernel startup line.  You should be able to use
dnf from multiuser, and do a search for desktop,
dnf search desktop
to find other greeters.

How did you get to f38?  Upgrade, or install?  If upgrade, did it
complete successfully?  Were there lots of conflicts?

If it was an install, another thing you can try, in case there is some
issue with the install is to run
dnf distrosync

If there is a specific desktop you want, try running 
dnf group install --with-optional [name of the desktop group]
to pick up any missing packages
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