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On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 3:50 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Sun, 2020-11-01 at 19:00 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 6:51 AM John Mellor wrote: > > > On 2020-10-31 10:46 p.m., Tim via users wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2020-10-31 at 16:11 +, lancelasset...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > Will NFS tell you data has been corrupted during the transfer and > > > > > write process? > > > > Does any filing system? In general, writes to storage are assumed to > > > > have worked unless something throws up an error message. Your hard > > > > drive could be silently corrupting data as it writes to the drive due > > > > to various reasons (defects in its media, bugs in its firmware, > > > > glitches from bad power supplies). You'd never know unless your > > > > filing system did a sanity check after writing. Some specialised ones > > > > might do that, but the average ones don't > > > > > > > You are correct for some very popular filesystems. EXT2/3/4, XFS, NTFS > > > etc. will not detect this situation. However, newer filesystems (<10 > > > years old) do handle silent data glitches, bad RAM and cosmic ray hits > > > correctly. > > > > > > BTRFS has been the default filesystem on SUSE Linux for years, and is > > > now the default filesystem on Fedora-33. ZFS is an optional filesystem > > > on Ubuntu-20 and all the Berkeley-derived Unixen like FreeBSD, and > > > standard on Oracle Linux and Solaris. BTRFS and ZFS are both COW > > > filesystems using checksumming of both data and metadata. When you push > > > something to the disk(s) with some kind of RAM error or power glitch, > > > the first write will be stored with the error, and then the checksummed > > > metadata is simply redirected to reference the new stuff. This will > > > detect the checksum errors on the data on ZFS with the reread to verify > > > the checksum, but I believe that BTRFS will return a successful write > > > without one of the RAID configurations set on the pool. If you are > > > running one of the RAID configurations, the checksum error will be > > > detected before the write completes. To guard against on-disk > > > corruption (bit rot), both ZFS and BTRFS will also correct it on the > > > next read of that data if you are running the filesystem in one of the > > > RAID-z configurations (multiple copies stored), or upon running a > > > filesystem integrity check. > > > > Short story: > [...] > > Thanks. That more or less matches what I thought. So BTRFS does not do > read-after-write verification and ZFS does, correct? Just trying to > clarify. Btrfs doesn't do that, and I'm not aware of such an option in ZFS. https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/2526 https://www.illumos.org/issues/2008 Btrfs and ZFS both do checksum verification of every read, and also have a scrub option. -- Chris Murphy ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Sun, 2020-11-01 at 19:00 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 6:51 AM John Mellor wrote: > > On 2020-10-31 10:46 p.m., Tim via users wrote: > > > On Sat, 2020-10-31 at 16:11 +, lancelasset...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > Will NFS tell you data has been corrupted during the transfer and > > > > write process? > > > Does any filing system? In general, writes to storage are assumed to > > > have worked unless something throws up an error message. Your hard > > > drive could be silently corrupting data as it writes to the drive due > > > to various reasons (defects in its media, bugs in its firmware, > > > glitches from bad power supplies). You'd never know unless your > > > filing system did a sanity check after writing. Some specialised ones > > > might do that, but the average ones don't > > > > > You are correct for some very popular filesystems. EXT2/3/4, XFS, NTFS > > etc. will not detect this situation. However, newer filesystems (<10 > > years old) do handle silent data glitches, bad RAM and cosmic ray hits > > correctly. > > > > BTRFS has been the default filesystem on SUSE Linux for years, and is > > now the default filesystem on Fedora-33. ZFS is an optional filesystem > > on Ubuntu-20 and all the Berkeley-derived Unixen like FreeBSD, and > > standard on Oracle Linux and Solaris. BTRFS and ZFS are both COW > > filesystems using checksumming of both data and metadata. When you push > > something to the disk(s) with some kind of RAM error or power glitch, > > the first write will be stored with the error, and then the checksummed > > metadata is simply redirected to reference the new stuff. This will > > detect the checksum errors on the data on ZFS with the reread to verify > > the checksum, but I believe that BTRFS will return a successful write > > without one of the RAID configurations set on the pool. If you are > > running one of the RAID configurations, the checksum error will be > > detected before the write completes. To guard against on-disk > > corruption (bit rot), both ZFS and BTRFS will also correct it on the > > next read of that data if you are running the filesystem in one of the > > RAID-z configurations (multiple copies stored), or upon running a > > filesystem integrity check. > > Short story: [...] Thanks. That more or less matches what I thought. So BTRFS does not do read-after-write verification and ZFS does, correct? Just trying to clarify. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 7:00 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > ddrescue by default reads the whole file (via the mounted file system, > not pointing it to raw sectors), but with truncated bad 4KiB blocks. > The bad blocks are simply missing, there is no gap filled with zeros > or some other pattern unless you ask ddrescue for that. I think truncated is the wrong word here. That means to shorten, as in the end is snipped off. When I use cat, it is truncated right at the bad block, nothing else is read. Whereas ddrescue omits the bad 4KiB blocks, but continues to read the rest. -- Chris Murphy ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 6:51 AM John Mellor wrote: > > On 2020-10-31 10:46 p.m., Tim via users wrote: > > On Sat, 2020-10-31 at 16:11 +, lancelasset...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Will NFS tell you data has been corrupted during the transfer and > >> write process? > > Does any filing system? In general, writes to storage are assumed to > > have worked unless something throws up an error message. Your hard > > drive could be silently corrupting data as it writes to the drive due > > to various reasons (defects in its media, bugs in its firmware, > > glitches from bad power supplies). You'd never know unless your > > filing system did a sanity check after writing. Some specialised ones > > might do that, but the average ones don't > > > You are correct for some very popular filesystems. EXT2/3/4, XFS, NTFS > etc. will not detect this situation. However, newer filesystems (<10 > years old) do handle silent data glitches, bad RAM and cosmic ray hits > correctly. > > BTRFS has been the default filesystem on SUSE Linux for years, and is > now the default filesystem on Fedora-33. ZFS is an optional filesystem > on Ubuntu-20 and all the Berkeley-derived Unixen like FreeBSD, and > standard on Oracle Linux and Solaris. BTRFS and ZFS are both COW > filesystems using checksumming of both data and metadata. When you push > something to the disk(s) with some kind of RAM error or power glitch, > the first write will be stored with the error, and then the checksummed > metadata is simply redirected to reference the new stuff. This will > detect the checksum errors on the data on ZFS with the reread to verify > the checksum, but I believe that BTRFS will return a successful write > without one of the RAID configurations set on the pool. If you are > running one of the RAID configurations, the checksum error will be > detected before the write completes. To guard against on-disk > corruption (bit rot), both ZFS and BTRFS will also correct it on the > next read of that data if you are running the filesystem in one of the > RAID-z configurations (multiple copies stored), or upon running a > filesystem integrity check. Short story: When an application receives EIO (input/output error) from the storage layer, it's up to the application how to handle it. One of the more common ways EIO happens is when a bad sector is read, and the drive itself reports uncorrectable read error. That propagates up through the various layers to the application as EIO. I'm told NFS will substitute zeros for any block the file system reports EIO, and continues on reading subsequent blocks. And finally ddrescue by default reads the whole file (via the mounted file system, not pointing it to raw sectors), but with truncated bad 4KiB blocks. The bad blocks are simply missing, there is no gap filled with zeros or some other pattern unless you ask ddrescue for that. Long story: Btrfs by default computes and stores a 4 byte CRC-32C per data block. Data blocks are 4KiB on x86, and metadata (the fs itself) are 16KiB by default. If a data block fails checksum verification, EIO is reported to the requesting application, and that application can do basically whatever it wants. For example if I 'cat' a log that happens to have a data block corrupted: 2020-09-20 cat: irc.freenode.#btrfs.weechatlog: Input/output error And it stops at that block and does not continue reading the rest of the file. At the time the EIO happens, I get a few kernel messages but I'll just list one: [155108.915822] BTRFS warning (device sdb2): csum failed root 349 ino 7176 off 10989568 csum 0x4d3d334d expected csum 0xb210f188 mirror 1 That's a bit secret decoder ring, as kernel messages often are. But this translates into "checksum failure in subvolume/snapshot ID 349, inode 7176, at logical byte 10989568, with the checksum just computed during read versus the one originally recorded in the csum tree, and which copy is affected - and by the way this is just a warning it's not some critical problem with the file system." The same inode number can exist multiple times on Btrfs. Each subvolume has its own pool of inodes. Hence the reference to both subvolume ID and inode number. Two more possibilities exist: - ignore the checksum verification and just give me all the blocks as they are including corruption - same as above, but the file is compressed (a feature of Btrfs) The first is a reference to 'btrfs restore' which is an offline scraping tool to get data out no matter the damage. The UI is just OK, the UX is ugly, but coming from a long career in data corruption, noise, and recovery - it's professional grade. There's a very good chance of getting your data out of a Btrfs file system *if* you have the patience. However, I strongly recommend backups, no matter the file system, so you can avoid the pleasure of 'btrfs restore'. This is going to get better with kernel 5.11, but I'm gonna save talking about that feature for another time. (It's not vaporware, it's
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On 2020-10-31 10:46 p.m., Tim via users wrote: On Sat, 2020-10-31 at 16:11 +, lancelasset...@gmail.com wrote: Will NFS tell you data has been corrupted during the transfer and write process? Does any filing system? In general, writes to storage are assumed to have worked unless something throws up an error message. Your hard drive could be silently corrupting data as it writes to the drive due to various reasons (defects in its media, bugs in its firmware, glitches from bad power supplies). You'd never know unless your filing system did a sanity check after writing. Some specialised ones might do that, but the average ones don't You are correct for some very popular filesystems. EXT2/3/4, XFS, NTFS etc. will not detect this situation. However, newer filesystems (<10 years old) do handle silent data glitches, bad RAM and cosmic ray hits correctly. BTRFS has been the default filesystem on SUSE Linux for years, and is now the default filesystem on Fedora-33. ZFS is an optional filesystem on Ubuntu-20 and all the Berkeley-derived Unixen like FreeBSD, and standard on Oracle Linux and Solaris. BTRFS and ZFS are both COW filesystems using checksumming of both data and metadata. When you push something to the disk(s) with some kind of RAM error or power glitch, the first write will be stored with the error, and then the checksummed metadata is simply redirected to reference the new stuff. This will detect the checksum errors on the data on ZFS with the reread to verify the checksum, but I believe that BTRFS will return a successful write without one of the RAID configurations set on the pool. If you are running one of the RAID configurations, the checksum error will be detected before the write completes. To guard against on-disk corruption (bit rot), both ZFS and BTRFS will also correct it on the next read of that data if you are running the filesystem in one of the RAID-z configurations (multiple copies stored), or upon running a filesystem integrity check. -- John Mellor ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Sat, 2020-10-31 at 16:11 +, lancelasset...@gmail.com wrote: > Will NFS tell you data has been corrupted during the transfer and > write process? Does any filing system? In general, writes to storage are assumed to have worked unless something throws up an error message. Your hard drive could be silently corrupting data as it writes to the drive due to various reasons (defects in its media, bugs in its firmware, glitches from bad power supplies). You'd never know unless your filing system did a sanity check after writing. Some specialised ones might do that, but the average ones don't -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.19.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 25 17:23:54 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 04:11:30PM -, lancelasset...@gmail.com wrote: > If you write and ISO to a thumb drive over NFS, how are you going to > checksum the ISO after it's transferred over the network? Will NFS tell > you data has been corrupted during the transfer and write process? I > thought he was short on local storage so needed to write the image from a > local network storage. NFS won't tell you, but the media can verify itself on first boot. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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If you write and ISO to a thumb drive over NFS, how are you going to checksum the ISO after it's transferred over the network? Will NFS tell you data has been corrupted during the transfer and write process? I thought he was short on local storage so needed to write the image from a local network storage. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 10/24/20 3:12 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 2020-10-23 04:56, Merovingian Puccioni wrote: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive And make a USB stick that can boot any one of a collection of iso images off the USB stick. I got the last few versions of ubuntu and fedora, memtest, and systemrescue all able to boot from the one usb stick. . I downloaded "ventoy-1.0.25-livecd.iso" How should I "make a usb stick?" Should it be simply copied "cp" to a flash drive? I did not find clear directions, but I have need for this and will try it. Thanks, Bob In the Ventoy site in https://www.ventoy.net/en/doc_start.html there is a "get started" with instructions for Windows and Linux. G ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 2020-10-23 04:56, Merovingian Puccioni wrote: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive And make a USB stick that can boot any one of a collection of iso images off the USB stick. I got the last few versions of ubuntu and fedora, memtest, and systemrescue all able to boot from the one usb stick. . I downloaded "ventoy-1.0.25-livecd.iso" How should I "make a usb stick?" Should it be simply copied "cp" to a flash drive? I did not find clear directions, but I have need for this and will try it. Thanks, Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Fri, Oct 23, 2020, at 11:39 AM, GianPiero Puccioni wrote: > > Isn't MemTest86 part of the "Systemrescue CD"? At least the one I use > from > https://www.system-rescue.org/System-tools/ has Memtest86 (for regular) > and > memtester (for UEFI). Yes, good point. And with some more research I found that the Memtest86 iso does work if you select the F1 option. -- Doug Herr fedoraproject@wombatz.com ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 10/23/20 6:33 PM, Doug H. wrote: On Fri, Oct 23, 2020, at 1:56 AM, GianPiero Puccioni wrote: On 10/22/20 11:17 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On this topic (probably too late to do any good), I use the technique here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive And make a USB stick that can boot any one of a collection of iso images off the USB stick. I got the last few versions of ubuntu and fedora, memtest, and systemrescue all able to boot from the one usb stick. For this "Ventoy" is quite good (http://www.ventoy.net). You prepare the stick and just drop the .iso file in the root then on boot you see the list. And you can still use the stick for yor files if you want. There is an article on Ventoy in the linux.org page. Thanks much for the pointer to this. I just created a Ventoy USB stick. Worked great for the Fedora 32 netinstall iso and the "System rescue CD" iso. Did not work for v5.31b Memtest86, might try the previous version. Isn't MemTest86 part of the "Systemrescue CD"? At least the one I use from https://www.system-rescue.org/System-tools/ has Memtest86 (for regular) and memtester (for UEFI). G ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Fri, Oct 23, 2020, at 1:56 AM, GianPiero Puccioni wrote: > On 10/22/20 11:17 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > On this topic (probably too late to do any good), I use > > the technique here: > > > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive > > > > And make a USB stick that can boot any one of a collection > > of iso images off the USB stick. I got the last few versions > > of ubuntu and fedora, memtest, and systemrescue all able to > > boot from the one usb stick. > > For this "Ventoy" is quite good (http://www.ventoy.net). > > You prepare the stick and just drop the .iso file in the root then on > boot you > see the list. And you can still use the stick for yor files if you want. > There is an article on Ventoy in the linux.org page. Thanks much for the pointer to this. I just created a Ventoy USB stick. Worked great for the Fedora 32 netinstall iso and the "System rescue CD" iso. Did not work for v5.31b Memtest86, might try the previous version. -- Doug Herr fedoraproject@wombatz.com ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 10/22/20 11:17 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On this topic (probably too late to do any good), I use the technique here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive And make a USB stick that can boot any one of a collection of iso images off the USB stick. I got the last few versions of ubuntu and fedora, memtest, and systemrescue all able to boot from the one usb stick. For this "Ventoy" is quite good (http://www.ventoy.net). You prepare the stick and just drop the .iso file in the root then on boot you see the list. And you can still use the stick for yor files if you want. There is an article on Ventoy in the linux.org page. G ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On this topic (probably too late to do any good), I use the technique here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive And make a USB stick that can boot any one of a collection of iso images off the USB stick. I got the last few versions of ubuntu and fedora, memtest, and systemrescue all able to boot from the one usb stick. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 10/22/20 8:09 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: * I'm sorry about the missed attribute, I thought it was pretty much implied since it was part of a thread in which several people had contributed similar advice. Beyond that the responses begin to look more bloggy to me, I've noticed some messages just giving acknowledgement, too much for the list I think. If it is important I will change my thinking. But be assured I read and consider what you say and thank you for it! Yes I did not understand the role media writer plays in the installation, the important thing is that now I can see how to do much of the job with text in a terminal, the reason I wrote the initial query. Yes, I want "Standard Partitions" as media writer names it, rather than a Fedora 33 LVM system which I find adds a layer of complexity I prefer not to have. As for chances of NFS contributing errors in this process, it was not a factor since I still had a copy of the .iso file in Downloads and used it. However the NFS server provides data I use routinely as long as this system is running and I have recognized no problems caused by it. As noted in the thread, there is a custom partition option that lets you do your own scheme as desired. However, it is not a command line sequence but somewhat hidden in the installer gui. It doesn't acknowledge a pre-partitioned scheme very well and can take several tries to get it to accept what you want the system to look like. Success can be found eventually. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 10/22/20 7:51 AM, Tim via users wrote: I'd always understood that any drive you were dd'ing to should be unmounted. You wouldn't want another thing to try and write to it as well. However, has anyone else encountered this behaviour: You plug in your spare flashdrive. You look for its device name (e.g. you "dmesg|tail"), and you (correctly) determine it's /dev/sde (for example). You notice that the device appears to be mounted, even though you've not mounted it, and you've (previously) configured your computer not to auto-mount flashdrives. So, you unmount that device. And, now, /dev/sde is not available to "dd" anything to. I don't think I've had that happen with "umount", but "eject" will definitely do that. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 10/22/20 7:37 AM, Tim via users wrote: Tim: If you boot an install disc as a live OS (it running from that install as a usable OS), it has an install to hard drive icon on the desktop that will simply dump itself to a hard drive, with little choice about how it's down. Samuel Sieb: You still have all the same partitioning options, you just don't have any repo or package selection options. Is that a new change? I seem to recall that using a live OS's install to hard drive option (started from within that running live OS) simply dumped an image to the hard drive, rather than go through the normal partitioning and package selection processes. You can't just dump it to a hard drive. There has to be somewhere to dump it to. The partitioning is there, but not the package selection. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 11:01 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > Why would you say something like that about NFS? NFS is a network > filesystem that has been used since before Linux even existed. I > can't think of any common protocol where transferring a file over the > network could affect the integrity of the data. Maybe netcat over > UDP? :-) I do recall, long ago, things like NFS or Samba failing. They'd abort or just seem to cease working part way through a lot of traffic. Like when I'd set up a new server, and then copied all the old data from the old server onto the new server. That's static files, by the way, not files that could change in the middle of the procedure. But I don't think get something like dd from a NFS source simply failing without you being able to tell that it'd failed. You'd, surely, get some error warning you about failure. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.19.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 25 17:23:54 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Thu, 2020-10-22 at 07:56 -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote: > It’s not a terrible idea to use sync. You absolutely should not be > running dd to a device that is used in a mounted file system. It > should be unmounted first. Then there is no risk of sync corrupting > the disk. I'd always understood that any drive you were dd'ing to should be unmounted. You wouldn't want another thing to try and write to it as well. However, has anyone else encountered this behaviour: You plug in your spare flashdrive. You look for its device name (e.g. you "dmesg|tail"), and you (correctly) determine it's /dev/sde (for example). You notice that the device appears to be mounted, even though you've not mounted it, and you've (previously) configured your computer not to auto-mount flashdrives. So, you unmount that device. And, now, /dev/sde is not available to "dd" anything to. > You could include ‘conv=sync’ in your dd command if you want to > ensure that everything is written, but it might not as fast, > depending on the block size. I think that's one reason why advise was to use "oflag=direct" as a dd parameter (avoiding caching, so you shouldn't have to double check things had synced before removing). But I was under the impression that conv=sync has a different purpose. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.19.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 25 17:23:54 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Thu, 2020-10-22 at 08:09 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > sorry about the missed attribute That doesn't matter. It's just a bit confusing when someone says follow person X's example, when it's really person Y's, and both of them have provided examples in a thread, if you were trying to work out who's advice to follow based on who said it. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.19.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 25 17:23:54 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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Tim: >> If you boot an install disc as a live OS (it running from that >> install as a usable OS), it has an install to hard drive icon on the >> desktop that will simply dump itself to a hard drive, with little >> choice about how it's down. Samuel Sieb: > You still have all the same partitioning options, you just don't > have any repo or package selection options. Is that a new change? I seem to recall that using a live OS's install to hard drive option (started from within that running live OS) simply dumped an image to the hard drive, rather than go through the normal partitioning and package selection processes. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.19.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 25 17:23:54 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 08:09:37AM -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > Yes, I want "Standard Partitions" as media writer names it, rather than a > Fedora 33 LVM system which I find adds a layer of complexity I prefer not to > have. I apologize if we were confusing earlier, there is no connection between Media Writer and how a Fedora system has its partitions laid out. Fedora Media Writer writes ISO images to removable media such as a USB jump drive. Those ISO images are one file that contains a bootable installer. You can use Media Writer to write other ISO images to disk if you want, it is just a handy tool. You can skip using Media Writer and use 'dd' instead. I've heard people use 'pv' to write ISOs to disk. Once that image is written to your jump drive, THEN you can boot off that jump drive. It is within the OS installed on the jump drive where you can choose to partition your disk and install Fedora. I've seen several posts trying to explain that Media Writer doesn't affect your partitioning, but you continue to attribute partitioning to Media Writer, so I hope this explains things better. -- Jonathan Billings ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 2020-10-21 22:21, Tim via users wrote: I wouldn't do it (writing an iso over the network from NFS storage, due to the network possibly messing up the integrity of the iso image) but you should still be able to with the "dd" command. Issue a "mount" command and you should see the mount path of your NFS storage. Then, as Bob explained, do "dd if=/path/to/NFS- storage/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress oflag=direct" You've been misattributing who said what, it was ME who gave Bob a "dd" example, but... * I'm sorry about the missed attribute, I thought it was pretty much implied since it was part of a thread in which several people had contributed similar advice. Beyond that the responses begin to look more bloggy to me, I've noticed some messages just giving acknowledgement, too much for the list I think. If it is important I will change my thinking. But be assured I read and consider what you say and thank you for it! Yes I did not understand the role media writer plays in the installation, the important thing is that now I can see how to do much of the job with text in a terminal, the reason I wrote the initial query. Yes, I want "Standard Partitions" as media writer names it, rather than a Fedora 33 LVM system which I find adds a layer of complexity I prefer not to have. As for chances of NFS contributing errors in this process, it was not a factor since I still had a copy of the .iso file in Downloads and used it. However the NFS server provides data I use routinely as long as this system is running and I have recognized no problems caused by it. Thank you for your help, Bob If you were trying to burn a DVD from an ISO file over NFS, I'd be a bit hesitant about relying it to supply uninterrupted data to the burner. But churning data from an ISO via NFS to other kinds of media, such as USB flashdrives, oughtn't to be any problem. -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Oct 22, 2020, at 02:47, J.Witvliet--- via users wrote: > > > After doing the “dd” to the raw device, do not do a “sync”, as this is for > synchronizing filesystems. Just remove the device. > In case something tried to mount the content of the device (before it was > wiped by dd) it might try to write back data to the device and by that action > corrupting the freshly written image. It’s not a terrible idea to use sync. You absolutely should not be running dd to a device that is used in a mounted file system. It should be unmounted first. Then there is no risk of sync corrupting the disk. The ‘sync’ command flushes buffers to disk, and that’s not just for file systems. Depending on how dd was run, it’s possible that there are buffers in the kernel that haven’t been written. Just yanking the USB device out might result in missing data. You could include ‘conv=sync’ in your dd command if you want to ensure that everything is written, but it might not as fast, depending on the block size. I tend to just run ‘eject’ on the USB device, which also prompts the kernel to write the buffers to disk, but just for that device. -- Jonathan Billings ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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Theoretically any transfer protocol based on TCP should be safe, not just nfs, but smb or wget also. Only possibility to screw things up is latency; like with transatlantic / satellite connections. From: "Samuel Sieb" mailto:sam...@sieb.net>> Date: Wednesday, 21 October 2020 at 20:02:28 To: "users@lists.fedoraproject.org" mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> Subject: Re: Install Fedora - On 10/21/20 7:34 AM, Lance Lassetter wrote: > I wouldn't do it (writing an iso over the network from NFS storage, due > to the network possibly messing up the integrity of the iso image) but > you should still be able to with the "dd" command. Issue a "mount" > command and you should see the mount path of your NFS storage. Then, as > Bob explained, do "dd if=/path/to/NFS-storage/image.iso of=/dev/sdX > bs=8M status=progress oflag=direct" Why would you say something like that about NFS? NFS is a network filesystem that has been used since before Linux even existed. I can't think of any common protocol where transferring a file over the network could affect the integrity of the data. Maybe netcat over UDP? :-) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Dit bericht kan informatie bevatten die niet voor u is bestemd. Indien u niet de geadresseerde bent of dit bericht abusievelijk aan u is toegezonden, wordt u verzocht dat aan de afzender te melden en het bericht te verwijderen. De Staat aanvaardt geen aansprakelijkheid voor schade, van welke aard ook, die verband houdt met risico's verbonden aan het elektronisch verzenden van berichten. This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are requested to inform the sender and delete the message. The State accepts no liability for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent in the electronic transmission of messages. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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After doing the “dd” to the raw device, do not do a “sync”, as this is for synchronizing filesystems. Just remove the device. In case something tried to mount the content of the device (before it was wiped by dd) it might try to write back data to the device and by that action corrupting the freshly written image. From: "Bob Goodwin" mailto:bobgood...@fastmail.us>> Date: Wednesday, 21 October 2020 at 21:36:01 To: "users@lists.fedoraproject.org" mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> Subject: Re: Install Fedora - On 2020-10-21 10:34, Lance Lassetter wrote: > > I wouldn't do it (writing an iso over the network from NFS storage, > due to the network possibly messing up the integrity of the iso image) > but you should still be able to with the "dd" command. Issue a > "mount" command and you should see the mount path of your NFS > storage. Then, as Bob explained, do "dd > if=/path/to/NFS-storage/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress > oflag=direct" > > Lance . Well 'dd' worked without a problem to clear the PNY 64GB drive I that was at hand and I put Fedora 33 beta on it: [root@WS-1 /]# dd if=/home/bobg/Downloads/Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33_Beta-1.3.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=8M status=progress 2028060672 bytes (2.0 GB, 1.9 GiB) copied, 126 s, 16.1 MB/s 241+1 records in 241+1 records out 2028060672 bytes (2.0 GB, 1.9 GiB) copied, 126.227 s, 16.1 MB/s [root@WS-1 /]# sync Put the flash drive in the other computer to test, the nedia chck worked and it started and asked if it should install to disk. That worked simply enough once I understood the instructions. I will try it on this box where I want to install to /dev/sdb. My only concern is getting the standard partition scheme, I may need media writer for that. -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Dit bericht kan informatie bevatten die niet voor u is bestemd. Indien u niet de geadresseerde bent of dit bericht abusievelijk aan u is toegezonden, wordt u verzocht dat aan de afzender te melden en het bericht te verwijderen. De Staat aanvaardt geen aansprakelijkheid voor schade, van welke aard ook, die verband houdt met risico's verbonden aan het elektronisch verzenden van berichten. This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are requested to inform the sender and delete the message. The State accepts no liability for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent in the electronic transmission of messages. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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Sorry, Tim. My bad. I got the names mixed up. On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:21 PM Tim via users wrote: > On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 09:34 -0500, Lance Lassetter wrote: > > I wouldn't do it (writing an iso over the network from NFS storage, > > due to the network possibly messing up the integrity of the iso > > image) but you should still be able to with the "dd" command. Issue > > a "mount" command and you should see the mount path of your NFS > > storage. Then, as Bob explained, do "dd if=/path/to/NFS- > > storage/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress oflag=direct" > > You've been misattributing who said what, it was ME who gave Bob a "dd" > example, but... > > If you were trying to burn a DVD from an ISO file over NFS, I'd be a > bit hesitant about relying it to supply uninterrupted data to the > burner. But churning data from an ISO via NFS to other kinds of media, > such as USB flashdrives, oughtn't to be any problem. > > -- > > uname -rsvp > Linux 3.10.0-1127.19.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 25 17:23:54 UTC 2020 > x86_64 > > Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. > I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 10/21/20 7:34 PM, Tim via users wrote: If you boot an install disc as a live OS (it running from that install as a usable OS), it has an install to hard drive icon on the desktop that will simply dump itself to a hard drive, with little choice about how it's down. You still have all the same partitioning options, you just don't have any repo or package selection options. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 15:35 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > Well 'dd' worked without a problem to clear the PNY 64GB drive I > that was at hand and I put Fedora 33 beta on it: It usually does. There are some odd cases where it won't, but I'd only bother with going into that if you're trying to work out why it didn't work. > My only concern is getting the standard partition scheme, I may need > media writer for that. Media Writer isn't involved in partitioning your hard drive. It creates an OS install disc. The routines on that installer have steps for partitioning your drives. Now, you mention "standard partitioning scheme." Some may take that as will the installer make a default installation that works without me having to think about it? But I'm guessing you mean that you want ordinary partitions, rather than LVM. If you boot an install disc as a live OS (it running from that install as a usable OS), it has an install to hard drive icon on the desktop that will simply dump itself to a hard drive, with little choice about how it's down. If you boot an install disc that goes straight into an install system process, you'll have an opportunity to customise the partitions it'll create on your hard drive. Last time I did that, I seem to recall that I removed the partitions it intended to create, clicked an option that was about LVM or traditional partitioning, and then let it automatically create the actual partitions (it picks suitable sizes, and the right types of partitions for the boot and UEFI partitions, which you can check before it actually goes and does it). Since you seem to have another computer to experiment on, I'd do a bit of trial and error on it, to see how much of the partitioning routine you can work out. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.19.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 25 17:23:54 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 10:04 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > Upon completing it's work media writer presents a block that says > "Install." I do not know what happens after I click on that except > that it does what is needed to finish the job. Quite possibly it is > using "dd" as you describe. It installs your ISO file onto a disc as a bootable disc. It doesn't install an OS onto a computer to run. You then use that bootable disc to either run it as a live OS, or install onto a hard drive. Going from what I've read, Media Writer can use dd as the underlying tool, or it can use something else. It's just a guiding hand for someone to put an ISO onto something to boot from. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.19.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 25 17:23:54 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 09:34 -0500, Lance Lassetter wrote: > I wouldn't do it (writing an iso over the network from NFS storage, > due to the network possibly messing up the integrity of the iso > image) but you should still be able to with the "dd" command. Issue > a "mount" command and you should see the mount path of your NFS > storage. Then, as Bob explained, do "dd if=/path/to/NFS- > storage/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress oflag=direct" You've been misattributing who said what, it was ME who gave Bob a "dd" example, but... If you were trying to burn a DVD from an ISO file over NFS, I'd be a bit hesitant about relying it to supply uninterrupted data to the burner. But churning data from an ISO via NFS to other kinds of media, such as USB flashdrives, oughtn't to be any problem. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.19.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 25 17:23:54 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 2020-10-21 15:49, Jonathan Billings wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by 'getting the standard partition scheme'. Are you talking about the install from the newly-written Fedora disk? Or the actual layout of partitions on the USB storage you just wrote? Fedora Media Writer doesn't do anything different than dd, it just writes the ISO to the disk. It doesn't change the partition scheme, it doesn't affect the install, it just puts the ISO image of the Fedora installer on the removable disk. . Well then it may be it will do what I want when I run the install to disc part, I just done want Fedora installed using LVM. -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 03:35:25PM -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > Well 'dd' worked without a problem to clear the PNY 64GB drive I that was at > hand and I put Fedora 33 beta on it: > > [root@WS-1 /]# dd > if=/home/bobg/Downloads/Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33_Beta-1.3.iso > of=/dev/sdc bs=8M status=progress > 2028060672 bytes (2.0 GB, 1.9 GiB) copied, 126 s, 16.1 MB/s > 241+1 records in > 241+1 records out > 2028060672 bytes (2.0 GB, 1.9 GiB) copied, 126.227 s, 16.1 MB/s > [root@WS-1 /]# sync > > Put the flash drive in the other computer to test, the nedia chck worked and > it started and asked if it should install to disk. That worked simply enough > once I understood the instructions. I will try it on this box where I want > to install to /dev/sdb. > > My only concern is getting the standard partition scheme, I may need media > writer for that. I'm not sure what you mean by 'getting the standard partition scheme'. Are you talking about the install from the newly-written Fedora disk? Or the actual layout of partitions on the USB storage you just wrote? Fedora Media Writer doesn't do anything different than dd, it just writes the ISO to the disk. It doesn't change the partition scheme, it doesn't affect the install, it just puts the ISO image of the Fedora installer on the removable disk. -- Jonathan Billings ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Bob Goodwin wrote: > > > On 2020-10-21 10:34, Lance Lassetter wrote: > > > > I wouldn't do it (writing an iso over the network from NFS storage, > > due to the network possibly messing up the integrity of the iso image) > > but you should still be able to with the "dd" command. Issue a > > "mount" command and you should see the mount path of your NFS > > storage. Then, as Bob explained, do "dd > > if=/path/to/NFS-storage/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress > > oflag=direct" > > > > Lance > . > Well 'dd' worked without a problem to clear the PNY 64GB drive I that > was at hand and I put Fedora 33 beta on it: > > [root@WS-1 /]# dd > if=/home/bobg/Downloads/Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33_Beta-1.3.iso > of=/dev/sdc bs=8M status=progress > 2028060672 bytes (2.0 GB, 1.9 GiB) copied, 126 s, 16.1 MB/s > 241+1 records in > 241+1 records out > 2028060672 bytes (2.0 GB, 1.9 GiB) copied, 126.227 s, 16.1 MB/s > [root@WS-1 /]# sync > > Put the flash drive in the other computer to test, the nedia chck worked > and it started and asked if it should install to disk. That worked > simply enough once I understood the instructions. I will try it on this > box where I want to install to /dev/sdb. > > My only concern is getting the standard partition scheme, I may need > media writer for that. > > > > -- > Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA > FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 > _ > There is a partitioning tool in the installer. In that tool the is an advanced section. Not sure if it has what you want. You could always get a second thumb drive and install gparted in it. Lance > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 2020-10-21 10:34, Lance Lassetter wrote: I wouldn't do it (writing an iso over the network from NFS storage, due to the network possibly messing up the integrity of the iso image) but you should still be able to with the "dd" command. Issue a "mount" command and you should see the mount path of your NFS storage. Then, as Bob explained, do "dd if=/path/to/NFS-storage/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress oflag=direct" Lance . Well 'dd' worked without a problem to clear the PNY 64GB drive I that was at hand and I put Fedora 33 beta on it: [root@WS-1 /]# dd if=/home/bobg/Downloads/Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33_Beta-1.3.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=8M status=progress 2028060672 bytes (2.0 GB, 1.9 GiB) copied, 126 s, 16.1 MB/s 241+1 records in 241+1 records out 2028060672 bytes (2.0 GB, 1.9 GiB) copied, 126.227 s, 16.1 MB/s [root@WS-1 /]# sync Put the flash drive in the other computer to test, the nedia chck worked and it started and asked if it should install to disk. That worked simply enough once I understood the instructions. I will try it on this box where I want to install to /dev/sdb. My only concern is getting the standard partition scheme, I may need media writer for that. -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:01:56 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > Why would you say something like that about NFS? NFS is a network > filesystem that has been used since before Linux even existed. I can't > think of any common protocol where transferring a file over the network > could affect the integrity of the data. At work, I can say with millions of examples behind me that NFS is the source of more data corruption than even meteor strikes :-). Build a large software project with the object being written to NFS, at least one of the .o files will be corrupted every time. It was never anything but a pain in the patoot. Now, if you have modern systems, and are using NFS4 with stream rather than UDP connections, especially if the exact same operating system (and therefore the exact same NFS implementation) is running on both ends, reliability skyrockets. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 10/21/20 7:34 AM, Lance Lassetter wrote: I wouldn't do it (writing an iso over the network from NFS storage, due to the network possibly messing up the integrity of the iso image) but you should still be able to with the "dd" command. Issue a "mount" command and you should see the mount path of your NFS storage. Then, as Bob explained, do "dd if=/path/to/NFS-storage/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress oflag=direct" Why would you say something like that about NFS? NFS is a network filesystem that has been used since before Linux even existed. I can't think of any common protocol where transferring a file over the network could affect the integrity of the data. Maybe netcat over UDP? :-) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 2020-10-21 10:34, Lance Lassetter wrote: I wouldn't do it (writing an iso over the network from NFS storage, due to the network possibly messing up the integrity of the iso image) but you should still be able to with the "dd" command. Issue a "mount" command and you should see the mount path of your NFS storage. Then, as Bob explained, do "dd if=/path/to/NFS-storage/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress oflag=direct" Lance - /I will not do it that way then, I probably have the .iso on this computer or will copy what I saved to the server. I have not been aware of any problem using files from my NFS though, I keep data on it that I use om this box routinely, it always seems to just work like it was local. The server is in a rack behind the monitor in front of me, an ethernet jumper away. A convenience making my data available on another computer and for the next version of Fedora when it is here./ -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:04 AM Bob Goodwin wrote: > > > On 2020-10-21 09:34, Tim via users wrote: > > "dd" on the command line is one alternative. But I suspect your > > problem is expecting Media Writer to do something that it doesn't do, > > and you forgot how you actually did it last time. > > > . > Upon completing it's work media writer presents a block that says > "Install." I do not know what happens after I click on that except that > it does what is needed to finish the job. Quite possibly it is using > "dd" as you describe. > > I have a lot more to think about now and I will probably experiment with > the dd method. > > Again I thank you. Bob > > I wouldn't do it (writing an iso over the network from NFS storage, due to the network possibly messing up the integrity of the iso image) but you should still be able to with the "dd" command. Issue a "mount" command and you should see the mount path of your NFS storage. Then, as Bob explained, do "dd if=/path/to/NFS-storage/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress oflag=direct" Lance ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 2020-10-21 09:34, Tim via users wrote: "dd" on the command line is one alternative. But I suspect your problem is expecting Media Writer to do something that it doesn't do, and you forgot how you actually did it last time. . Upon completing it's work media writer presents a block that says "Install." I do not know what happens after I click on that except that it does what is needed to finish the job. Quite possibly it is using "dd" as you describe. I have a lot more to think about now and I will probably experiment with the dd method. Again I thank you. Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 07:28 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > this all good information but I have never used media writer to > create the fedora.iso installation media. Other way around. You give Media Writer your downloaded ISO file, and it creates a bootable disk (optical disk or flashdrive) from the ISO file. Then you boot that disk (whatever kind it is), and install from there. Media Writer gives you some options about the kind of bootable installer disk you want, but that's going to depend on what files it had available to work with. I'm not aware of any way that you could use Media Writer to actually install an OS from it (well, beyond it creating a live bootable thing on a removable disc). Possibly it could be forced into creating a live bootable disk on a fixed drive in a PC, but I see no documentation on doing anything like that. > Sometimes I create install media on a flash drive, but I have had > some instances where the flash drive is not recognized? Depending on how the flash drive is written, it might not be bootable. In the past, some bootable USB sticks were made to act like a giant floppy. These days, they seem to emulate a bootable CD. Either way, it requires a motherboard that can boot from a USB drive. A common mistake people make is to copy the install.iso file onto the flashdrive, and they get a flashdrive with one big iso file on it. You need to use a tool that writes the data from the ISO image to the flashdrive (essentially, the ISO file a whole filesystem wrapped up in one file, rather like an archive that will be unpacked). Using "dd" is a simple command line way to do that. Media Writer gives you a fancy front end for doing virtually the same thing. > I would have liked to know how to avoid the media writer application > that I always find difficult to use, but always muddle through. "dd" on the command line is one alternative. But I suspect your problem is expecting Media Writer to do something that it doesn't do, and you forgot how you actually did it last time. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.19.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 25 17:23:54 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 6:29 AM Bob Goodwin wrote: > > > On 2020-10-20 22:09, Tim via users wrote: > > MediaWriter is used to create your installation media from the ISO file > > that you've downloaded. > > > > In a lot of cases, you can use the "dd" tool in the command line to > > datadump the ISO file onto a USB flashdrive, and boot up the installer > > from that flash drive. Make sure that you pick the right device for dd > > to write to, and that your flashdrive is big enough. > > > > The installation instructions on Fedora's website does describe this > > method. > > > > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/ > > > > dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress oflag=direct > > > > Some notes: > > > > Work out the device your flashdrive is mounted at, and then unmount the > > flashdrive. > > > > if= sets the input file path (to avoid surprises, use the full > > filepath). > > > > of= sets the output file path (make sure that you replace sdX with the > > correct device for your flashdrive). > > > > bs=8M sets the blocksize to 8 megabytes for each chunk being written to > > the flashdrive. > > > > status=progress gives you some indicators that write activity is > happening. > > > > oflag=direct has something to do with directly writing to the drive, > > rather than going through a cache (which can mean you think you're > > writing to the drive, think that you've finished writing the drive, but > > the you'd only written to the cache, and writing to the drive is still > > going on). > > > > Some versions of dd don't support those last two options. > ° > > this all good information but I have never used media writer to create > the fedora.iso installation media. n a released version there is > normally a webpage offering a download which I save and can put on a > thumb drive, cdrom, whatever. > > Media writer has a "custom" which will see read the .iso from the copy I > saved in "Downloads." In this case I have the Fedora 33 beta .iso and > tried to use that file from my copy on NFS. the problem I had was it > could not be pointed to the install location, it insists on using the > 4TB drive on my LAN, and it appears that would work but it's not what I > want and normally do. I have another drive in this computer with Fedora > 31 on it and that drive should show as an available install target in > the media writer gui. > > That is how I have done. Sometimes I create install media on a flash > drive, but I have had some instances where the flash drive is not > recognized? > > However this is just something I thought I would do but does not work > and I can wait until the released version is available, in which case I > would have liked to know how to avoid the media writer application that > I always find difficult to use, but always muddle through. > > Thanks for the help, Bob > > I wouldn't do it (writing an iso over the network from NFS storage, due to > the network possibly messing up the integrity of the iso image) but you > should still be able to with the "dd" command. Issue a "mount" command and > you should see the mount path of your NFS storage. Then, as Bob explained, > do "dd if=/path/to/NFS-storage/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress > oflag=direct" > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 2020-10-20 22:09, Tim via users wrote: MediaWriter is used to create your installation media from the ISO file that you've downloaded. In a lot of cases, you can use the "dd" tool in the command line to datadump the ISO file onto a USB flashdrive, and boot up the installer from that flash drive. Make sure that you pick the right device for dd to write to, and that your flashdrive is big enough. The installation instructions on Fedora's website does describe this method. https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/ dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress oflag=direct Some notes: Work out the device your flashdrive is mounted at, and then unmount the flashdrive. if= sets the input file path (to avoid surprises, use the full filepath). of= sets the output file path (make sure that you replace sdX with the correct device for your flashdrive). bs=8M sets the blocksize to 8 megabytes for each chunk being written to the flashdrive. status=progress gives you some indicators that write activity is happening. oflag=direct has something to do with directly writing to the drive, rather than going through a cache (which can mean you think you're writing to the drive, think that you've finished writing the drive, but the you'd only written to the cache, and writing to the drive is still going on). Some versions of dd don't support those last two options. ° this all good information but I have never used media writer to create the fedora.iso installation media. n a released version there is normally a webpage offering a download which I save and can put on a thumb drive, cdrom, whatever. Media writer has a "custom" which will see read the .iso from the copy I saved in "Downloads." In this case I have the Fedora 33 beta .iso and tried to use that file from my copy on NFS. the problem I had was it could not be pointed to the install location, it insists on using the 4TB drive on my LAN, and it appears that would work but it's not what I want and normally do. I have another drive in this computer with Fedora 31 on it and that drive should show as an available install target in the media writer gui. That is how I have done. Sometimes I create install media on a flash drive, but I have had some instances where the flash drive is not recognized? However this is just something I thought I would do but does not work and I can wait until the released version is available, in which case I would have liked to know how to avoid the media writer application that I always find difficult to use, but always muddle through. Thanks for the help, Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Tue, 2020-10-20 at 14:57 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I simply want to install Fedora 33 beta on an existing drive in this > computer. I have always started the installation process with Media > Writer. Presently it has a new undesirable quirk and insists on > installing to a WD Mybook and nothing else, but after that will come > trying to convince it that I want standard partitions not LVM, the > gui is near impossible for me to read, I keep inverting the video or MediaWriter is used to create your installation media from the ISO file that you've downloaded. In a lot of cases, you can use the "dd" tool in the command line to datadump the ISO file onto a USB flashdrive, and boot up the installer from that flash drive. Make sure that you pick the right device for dd to write to, and that your flashdrive is big enough. The installation instructions on Fedora's website does describe this method. https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/ dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress oflag=direct Some notes: Work out the device your flashdrive is mounted at, and then unmount the flashdrive. if= sets the input file path (to avoid surprises, use the full filepath). of= sets the output file path (make sure that you replace sdX with the correct device for your flashdrive). bs=8M sets the blocksize to 8 megabytes for each chunk being written to the flashdrive. status=progress gives you some indicators that write activity is happening. oflag=direct has something to do with directly writing to the drive, rather than going through a cache (which can mean you think you're writing to the drive, think that you've finished writing the drive, but the you'd only written to the cache, and writing to the drive is still going on). Some versions of dd don't support those last two options. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.19.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 25 17:23:54 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 2020-10-20 15:38, George N. White III wrote: Mediawriter is just used to create bootable installation media, normally a "live" USB key that boots to a GUI. The alternative is to create a kickstart file that specifies a text mode install, but "The text user interface is limited, for example, it does not allow you to modify the partition layout or set up LVM". See: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/el/fedora/rawhide/install-guide/advanced/Kickstart_Installations/#chap-kickstart-installations You still need bootable install media. . Ok, this is enough to tell me to wait for the released version and use Media Writer to set up and start the installation as I have done in the past. Thank you for the advice, Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 13:12, Bob Goodwin wrote: > There must be some other way to install fedora than using "mediawriter?" > Mediawriter is just used to create bootable installation media, normally a "live" USB key that boots to a GUI. The alternative is to create a kickstart file that specifies a text mode install, but "The text user interface is limited, for example, it does not allow you to modify the partition layout or set up LVM". See: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/el/fedora/rawhide/install-guide/advanced/Kickstart_Installations/#chap-kickstart-installations You still need bootable install media. > > I want to install a copy of fedora-33 on another drive and I would like > to try a different method if someone can suggest one. Google has not > helped ... > -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 2020-10-20 13:21, Samuel Sieb wrote: Your question is very unclear. Are you looking for a different way to install that's not a boot disk or are you looking for a different way to create the boot disk? . I simply want to install Fedora 33 beta on an existing drive in this computer. I have always started the installation process with Media Writer. Presently it has a new undesirable quirk and insists on installing to a WD Mybook and nothing else, but after that will come trying to convince it that I want standard partitions not LVM, the gui is near impossible for me to read, I keep inverting the video or getting someone to help me ... I would like an alternative way to do the installation where I want it to be. The command line in a terminal preferably, else I will eventually struggle through it again ... I don't want to sound demanding, I was just asking for a different way to do this if anyone knows? Thank you, Bob . -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 10/20/20 9:12 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: There must be some other way to install fedora than using "mediawriter?" mediawriter is not an installer, it's for setting up the boot media. There are other methods of doing that. Is that what you want? I want to install a copy of fedora-33 on another drive and I would like to try a different method if someone can suggest one. Google has not helped ... Your question is very unclear. Are you looking for a different way to install that's not a boot disk or are you looking for a different way to create the boot disk? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 2020-10-20 12:56, Lance Lassetter wrote: Just make sure you get the bootloader straight if you're dual booting with Windows. . Perhaps that would be better but I don't have Windows. I would prefer installing from a terminal, a command line is usually better for me. I have a copy of Fedora 33 beta I would install to another hard drive, that is much that avoids the problems of dual booting. -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install Fedora -
Just make sure you get the bootloader straight if you're dual booting with Windows. On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 11:12 AM Bob Goodwin wrote: > There must be some other way to install fedora than using "mediawriter?" > > I want to install a copy of fedora-33 on another drive and I would like > to try a different method if someone can suggest one. Google has not > helped ... > > -- > Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA > FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install Fedora -
I used rufus in Windows. On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 11:12 AM Bob Goodwin wrote: > There must be some other way to install fedora than using "mediawriter?" > > I want to install a copy of fedora-33 on another drive and I would like > to try a different method if someone can suggest one. Google has not > helped ... > > -- > Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA > FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Re-install Fedora without destroying user data
I wrote: > Well, not so fast. suomi's example did not involve LVM but LVM is > the default for Fedora. Trying to follow the example and adjusting > for LVM doesn't work for me. With these kickstart commands, > > bootloader --driveorder=sda --location=mbr --boot-drive=sda > clearpart --none --initlabel > part /boot --fstype=ext4 --size=500 --onpart=sda > part pv.01 --noformat --onpart=sda > volgroup vg_test1 pv.01 --noformat > logvol /home --noformat --name=lv_home --vgname=vg_test1 > logvol / --useexisting --name=lv_root --vgname=vg_test1 > logvol swap --useexisting --name=lv_swap --vgname=vg_test1 > > installation fails with the message, "Members may not be specified > for preexisting volgroup". Found my error. The following commands work: bootloader --driveorder=sda --location=mbr --boot-drive=sda clearpart --none --initlabel part /boot --fstype=ext4 --size=500 --onpart=sda1 part pv.01 --noformat --onpart=sda2 volgroup vg_test1 --noformat logvol /home --noformat --name=lv_home --vgname=vg_test1 logvol / --useexisting --name=lv_root --vgname=vg_test1 logvol swap --useexisting --name=lv_swap --vgname=vg_test1 Basically, onpart needed the partition number, not just the disk name. I also omitted pv.01 from volgroup but not sure if that was necessary. -- Dave Close ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Re-install Fedora without destroying user data
suomi () wrote: > as far as possible I do the installation(s) using a kickstart file. > It is not possible, when you install from a Live CD. > My disk-partitionning in the kickstasrt file looks like: > > # System bootloader configuration > bootloader --location=mbr --boot-drive=nvme0n1 > # Partition clearing information > clearpart --none --initlabel > # Disk partitioning information > part swap --fstype="swap" --onpart=nvme0n1p3 > part /home --fstype="ext4" --onpart=nvme0n1p4 --noformat > part / --fstype="ext4" --onpart=nvme0n1p2 > part /boot/efi --fstype="vfat" --onpart=nvme0n1p1 I responded: > Thank you. That is precisely the example I needed. This really should be > in some kind of help file for Fedora. Well, not so fast. suomi's example did not involve LVM but LVM is the default for Fedora. Trying to follow the example and adjusting for LVM doesn't work for me. With these kickstart commands, bootloader --driveorder=sda --location=mbr --boot-drive=sda clearpart --none --initlabel part /boot --fstype=ext4 --size=500 --onpart=sda part pv.01 --noformat --onpart=sda volgroup vg_test1 pv.01 --noformat logvol /home --noformat --name=lv_home --vgname=vg_test1 logvol / --useexisting --name=lv_root --vgname=vg_test1 logvol swap --useexisting --name=lv_swap --vgname=vg_test1 installation fails with the message, "Members may not be specified for preexisting volgroup". I'm not sure to what "members" refers in that message. If I change the volgroup line to omit "pv.01", installation fails saying, 'Volume group "vg_test1" given in volgroup command does not exist.' If "members" means the logvol lines, then where can I specify noformat for /home? (And checking /dev/mapper via TTY2 shows that the volgroup does exist, though it wasn't activated.) -- Dave Close ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Re-install Fedora without destroying user data
suomi () wrote: > as far as possible I do the installation(s) using a kickstart file. > It is not possible, when you install from a Live CD. > My disk-partitionning in the kickstasrt file looks like: > > # System bootloader configuration > bootloader --location=mbr --boot-drive=nvme0n1 > # Partition clearing information > clearpart --none --initlabel > # Disk partitioning information > part swap --fstype="swap" --onpart=nvme0n1p3 > part /home --fstype="ext4" --onpart=nvme0n1p4 --noformat > part / --fstype="ext4" --onpart=nvme0n1p2 > part /boot/efi --fstype="vfat" --onpart=nvme0n1p1 Thank you. That is precisely the example I needed. This really should be in some kind of help file for Fedora. -- Dave Close ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Re-install Fedora without destroying user data
On 6/18/19 3:55 PM, CLOSE Dave wrote: On a default Fedora installation with a sufficiently large disk, /home is a separate filesystem and should not contain any required system files. Thus it ought to be possible to completely re-install Fedora, the same version as was previously installed, without over-writing /home. I'd like to do this with kickstart, if possible. I think Anaconda offers enough options but I find the documentation a bit confusing for this purpose. Is anyone aware of an online reference describing how to do this? I do this with PXE kickstarts. I started with the default one that anaconda created and modified it from there. If you do an install, there should be a /root/anaconda-ks.cfg. I used the kickstart reference to gradually build up the kickstart file to do what I wanted. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Re-install Fedora without destroying user data
Hi Dave as far as possible I do the installation(s) using a kickstart file. It is not possible, when you install from a Live CD. My disk-partitionning in the kickstasrt file looks like: # System bootloader configuration bootloader --location=mbr --boot-drive=nvme0n1 # Partition clearing information clearpart --none --initlabel # Disk partitioning information part swap --fstype="swap" --onpart=nvme0n1p3 part /home --fstype="ext4" --onpart=nvme0n1p4 --noformat part / --fstype="ext4" --onpart=nvme0n1p2 part /boot/efi --fstype="vfat" --onpart=nvme0n1p1 suomi On 19/06/2019 02.14, Geoffrey Leach wrote: On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 22:55:57 + CLOSE Dave wrote: On a default Fedora installation with a sufficiently large disk, /home is a separate filesystem and should not contain any required system files. Thus it ought to be possible to completely re-install Fedora, the same version as was previously installed, without over-writing /home. I'd like to do this with kickstart, if possible. I think Anaconda offers enough options but I find the documentation a bit confusing for this purpose. Is anyone aware of an online reference describing how to do this? I install new versions from the standard distributions with no problems. Just be careful that none of the partitions that you wish to preserve are not marked for formatting in Anaconda. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Re-install Fedora without destroying user data
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 22:55:57 + CLOSE Dave wrote: > On a default Fedora installation with a sufficiently large disk, /home > is a separate filesystem and should not contain any required system > files. Thus it ought to be possible to completely re-install Fedora, > the same version as was previously installed, without > over-writing /home. I'd like to do this with kickstart, if possible. > I think Anaconda offers enough options but I find the documentation a > bit confusing for this purpose. Is anyone aware of an online > reference describing how to do this? I install new versions from the standard distributions with no problems. Just be careful that none of the partitions that you wish to preserve are not marked for formatting in Anaconda. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re-install Fedora without destroying user data
On a default Fedora installation with a sufficiently large disk, /home is a separate filesystem and should not contain any required system files. Thus it ought to be possible to completely re-install Fedora, the same version as was previously installed, without over-writing /home. I'd like to do this with kickstart, if possible. I think Anaconda offers enough options but I find the documentation a bit confusing for this purpose. Is anyone aware of an online reference describing how to do this? -- Dave Close ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install Fedora 27 on HP Elitebook Folio 1040: Bootloop
On 11/28/2017 04:37 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: Is SecureBoot enabled? With my wife's new HP Core-i5 8250U I used the F27 live install method from a USB stick and everything "just worked". I inherited her old Acer i5-6200U and it was quite a bit more work. I had to disable SecureBoot in order for it to boot from the USB stick (but left it in UEFI because if you don't the installer will not setup /boot for UFEI). Everything installed fine including resizing my Win10 main partition to make room. Afterwards I spent about an hour trying to get it to boot the right way instead of skipping over Fedora and booting Windows 10. With this particular laptop you have to go into the BIOS and tell it which EFI file is trusted, and I chose grubx64.efi as you did and then you can give it a name. Then I had to change the boot order to put it in front of the "Microsoft Boot Loader". After that it works just fine. HTH, Richard ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Hi Richard thanks for replying. no, SecureBoot is disabled, that was the first item I checked... suomi ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install Fedora 27 on HP Elitebook Folio 1040: Bootloop
Is SecureBoot enabled? With my wife's new HP Core-i5 8250U I used the F27 live install method from a USB stick and everything "just worked". I inherited her old Acer i5-6200U and it was quite a bit more work. I had to disable SecureBoot in order for it to boot from the USB stick (but left it in UEFI because if you don't the installer will not setup /boot for UFEI). Everything installed fine including resizing my Win10 main partition to make room. Afterwards I spent about an hour trying to get it to boot the right way instead of skipping over Fedora and booting Windows 10. With this particular laptop you have to go into the BIOS and tell it which EFI file is trusted, and I chose grubx64.efi as you did and then you can give it a name. Then I had to change the boot order to put it in front of the "Microsoft Boot Loader". After that it works just fine. HTH, Richard ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Re install Fedora 20
On 08/02/2014 07:57 AM, Roger wrote: I have Fedora 20 LVM but cannot access it due to grub error which defaults to grub rescue. Can I reinstall Fedora without touching the /home directory on an LVM please thanks Roger Yes, it is possible. During install, give the mount point for the existing home filesystem as '/home', but just remember to keep the checkbox for formatting that specific filesystem unchecked. -- Regards, Rejy M Cyriac (rmc) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Re install Fedora 20
On 08/06/2014 06:58 PM, Rejy M Cyriac wrote: On 08/02/2014 07:57 AM, Roger wrote: I have Fedora 20 LVM but cannot access it due to grub error which defaults to grub rescue. Can I reinstall Fedora without touching the /home directory on an LVM please thanks Roger Yes, it is possible. During install, give the mount point for the existing home filesystem as '/home', but just remember to keep the checkbox for formatting that specific filesystem unchecked. Forgot to mention that this is possible only if the current '/home' exists as a separate filesystem If not, the only way to save the data would be to boot into rescue mode using the install DVD/USB, copy the data from the /home directory to an external drive, and then reinstall the system, copy back the data. -- Regards, Rejy M Cyriac (rmc) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Re install Fedora 20
On 06/08/14 23:28, Rejy M Cyriac wrote: On 08/02/2014 07:57 AM, Roger wrote: I have Fedora 20 LVM but cannot access it due to grub error which defaults to grub rescue. Can I reinstall Fedora without touching the /home directory on an LVM please thanks Roger Yes, it is possible. During install, give the mount point for the existing home filesystem as '/home', but just remember to keep the checkbox for formatting that specific filesystem unchecked. Thank you Rejy In desperation I took another but similar route which saved the files. I fresh installed CentOS 6.5 which still has the rudimentary but very easy anaconda. It found the LVM /home directory so I requested to format / and /boot but not the /home. Unfortunately it removed /var/www/html which had web development files but that is acceptable. CentOS now has my original files in that fresh install and I can also copy files across to the fresh install of Ubuntu14.04 on an SSD as needed so while not prefect, things are salvageable. Thank you for your email Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re install Fedora 20
I have Fedora 20 LVM but cannot access it due to grub error which defaults to grub rescue. Can I reinstall Fedora without touching the /home directory on an LVM please thanks Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: install fedora via usb stick
On 11 December 2013 22:23, D. Hugh Redelmeier h...@mimosa.com wrote: The LiveUSB creator lets you 2) create a persistent store so changes you make on the live system will be there next time you boot. (But I've had some live USBs stop working, perhaps due to this.) A persistent overlay is used to do this, but it isn't re-writeable: it accumulates changes. Once you run out of space to record any more then things go wrong. (There's an option in the command line tool, but not LiveUSB, to add a home filesystem which is a normal loopback mount.) -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: install fedora via usb stick
An issue I recently encountered: USB created with dd or LiveUSB creator might not boot on EFI systems. The only tool that worked for me was livecd-iso-to-disk with --efi option (required me to add --format, too, so it is destructive). On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 December 2013 22:23, D. Hugh Redelmeier h...@mimosa.com wrote: The LiveUSB creator lets you 2) create a persistent store so changes you make on the live system will be there next time you boot. (But I've had some live USBs stop working, perhaps due to this.) A persistent overlay is used to do this, but it isn't re-writeable: it accumulates changes. Once you run out of space to record any more then things go wrong. (There's an option in the command line tool, but not LiveUSB, to add a home filesystem which is a normal loopback mount.) -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: install fedora via usb stick
On Dec 12, 2013, at 8:03 AM, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: An issue I recently encountered: USB created with dd or LiveUSB creator might not boot on EFI systems. That bug with Live USB Creator should be fixed. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=810112 There might be a bug related to the ISO image, which contains a really unit partition map structure to enable it to boot both BIOS and UEFI systems, whether the media is 512 byte (USB sticks) or 2048 byte (DVDs) physical sectors. To any partition tool it will appear to be corrupt. It's not, it's just unique to fit this purpose. But this has been quite heavily tested over the past 18-24 months so I more likely suspect a firmware bug. But there can also be other boot related issues now that Secure Boot is supported so it's important to file bugs and be really clear about what *does* happen rather than saying it doesn't boot which isn't descriptive enough. The only tool that worked for me was livecd-iso-to-disk with --efi option (required me to add --format, too, so it is destructive). I vaguely recall some unexpected behavior with --format or maybe the combination of --format with --reset-mbr. But there is some weirdness with LITD in that the --efi option *adds* EFI boot support to a tool that creates BIOS bootable media. So you actually are not getting exclusively EFI boot media, but rather hybrid boot media. Therefore the --reset-mbr is required if the first 440 bytes of LBA0 do not contain BIOS boot code. This is confusing for those who know that such code is ignored on EFI systems. Anyway, my expectation is if I specify /dev/sdb2 for installation, and use --format --efi --reset-mbr that all other partitions are preserved, but I'm pretty sure that combination blows away the whole partition map and all content on the stick. But it does warn of this also and enables a safe exit via control-C. To me, --format implies using mkfs.vfat -F32 on the specified partition, but that doesn't appear to be the only thing it does. Chris Murphy-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: install fedora via usb stick
Pasha R wrote: An issue I recently encountered: USB created with dd or LiveUSB creator might not boot on EFI systems. The only tool that worked for me was livecd-iso-to-disk with --efi option (required me to add --format, too, so it is destructive). I thought the LiveCD had the appropriate UEFI stuff already, I have booted the CD on UEFI machines, so I didn't have to think about it. So far all the machines I use have worked with the dd to USB, although that doesn't give you persistent storage. Been playing with fc20beta3 Live in just that way. Don't forget untbootin as well, another tool to build USB. On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com mailto:ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 December 2013 22:23, D. Hugh Redelmeier h...@mimosa.com mailto:h...@mimosa.com wrote: The LiveUSB creator lets you 2) create a persistent store so changes you make on the live � �system will be there next time you boot. � �(But I've had some live USBs stop working, perhaps due to this.) A persistent overlay is used to do this, but it isn't re-writeable: it accumulates changes. Once you run out of space to record any more then things go wrong. (There's an option in the command line tool, but not LiveUSB, to add a home filesystem which is a normal loopback mount.) -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: install fedora via usb stick
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wolfgang.ruppre...@gmail.com wrote: Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org writes: Check out the instructions at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB Anyone know why there are so many complicated ways listed? Does the obvious dd not work for some people? I've been doing the following for my clean installs for ages. As far as I know that live iso's are structured in a way that they can be used as both a disk image with embedded partition table and a straight iso. dd if=Fedora-Live-Desktop-x86_64-20-XX.iso of=/dev/sde bs=1M That looks like it wipes out any data on the USB Stick, Using Live Creator, if you have free space, it just adds to the USB. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: install fedora via usb stick
| From: Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wolfgang.ruppre...@gmail.com | Anyone know why there are so many complicated ways listed? The LiveUSB creator lets you 1) add to an existing FAT filesystem without losing what's already there 2) create a persistent store so changes you make on the live system will be there next time you boot. (But I've had some live USBs stop working, perhaps due to this.) What it won't let you do is create a Live USB out of an installation .iso. It will silently build the USB but the USB won't work. It would be nice if the Live USB creator refused to attempt this. dd ought to be faster. | Does the | obvious dd not work for some people? I've been doing the following for | my clean installs for ages. | dd if=Fedora-Live-Desktop-x86_64-20-XX.iso of=/dev/sde bs=1M I've found that the dd will be considerably faster if you add oflag=direct -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: install fedora via usb stick
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Paolo De Michele pa...@paolodemichele.itwrote: before you come to write this post I checked the official documentation of fedora. to be brief: Check out the instructions at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB -- Jared Smith -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: install fedora via usb stick
Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org writes: Check out the instructions at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB Anyone know why there are so many complicated ways listed? Does the obvious dd not work for some people? I've been doing the following for my clean installs for ages. As far as I know that live iso's are structured in a way that they can be used as both a disk image with embedded partition table and a straight iso. dd if=Fedora-Live-Desktop-x86_64-20-XX.iso of=/dev/sde bs=1M -wolfgang -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: install fedora via usb stick
On Dec 11, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wolfgang.ruppre...@gmail.com wrote: Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org writes: Check out the instructions at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB Anyone know why there are so many complicated ways listed? They're all a little different, for different use cases. Two are CLI, one is GUI. The GUI one runs on Fedora and Windows. Of the two CLI, one works out of box on most linux, BSD and OS X, or should. It's also destructive, using the whole USB stick. And then livecd-iso-to-disk is part of livecd-tools which has a pile of features like overlay, encrypted home, ability to install to an existing partition/volume without destroying other partitions/volumes. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install Fedora 17 onto a PC with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550Ti?
Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 06/08/2012 01:00 PM, Michael Hannon wrote: Greetings. I've got a new HP desktop system with an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550Ti video card. The system came with Windows 7, but it has a second disk drive, on which I was hoping to install Fedora 17. I've tried installing from the Fedora 17 DVD but have had what is evidently a common problem. I.e., just as the installer appears to be about to launch into the GUI, the monitor goes into sleep mode and never returns. I've seen some discussion on the net about changing kernels, getting the proprietary drivers, modifying xorg.conf, etc., etc., but at installation time I'm stuck with whatever is on the DVD. If you have any suggestions as to how I can work around this problem, please pass 'em along. Try this. Boot the DVD and when the menu appears hit your tab key. Then add this acpi=off noapic to the end of the line and continue Thanks, Ed. That seems to work just fine. Now I've got to deal with another unexpected problem (need a bootloader Stage 1 target device), but I'll have to save that for later. -- Mike -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install Fedora 17 onto a PC with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550Ti?
On 06/08/2012 01:00 PM, Michael Hannon wrote: Greetings. I've got a new HP desktop system with an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550Ti video card. The system came with Windows 7, but it has a second disk drive, on which I was hoping to install Fedora 17. I've tried installing from the Fedora 17 DVD but have had what is evidently a common problem. I.e., just as the installer appears to be about to launch into the GUI, the monitor goes into sleep mode and never returns. I've seen some discussion on the net about changing kernels, getting the proprietary drivers, modifying xorg.conf, etc., etc., but at installation time I'm stuck with whatever is on the DVD. If you have any suggestions as to how I can work around this problem, please pass 'em along. Try this. Boot the DVD and when the menu appears hit your tab key. Then add this acpi=off noapic to the end of the line and continue -- Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century. -- Dame Edna Everage -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install Fedora 15 on DELL Precision M6600 Laptop
On 8/25/2011 10:02 AM, Robert McCullough wrote: Michael Dinonmdinonat gmail.com writes: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Robert McCulloughrob.mcculloughat promessinc.com wrote: Hi, When I try to install Fedora 15 on my new DELL M6600 the install locks-up / freezes. Any Ideas? Is this new hardware supported? Thanks, Rob-- users mailing listusersat lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Hi Rob,It would be helpful if you included more information regarding your hardware and during what part of the install do you encounter this freeze/lockup?-- Mike I have tried using the Fedora-15-i686-Live-KDE.iso and the boot.iso both give me the same results. First I select Install new system or upgrade an existing system option. Then it displays: Loading vmlinux Loading initrd.img ... ... Tring to unpack rootfs image ... ... ... Then it stops with some errors.. I will attach a screen shot to a following email. Here is the current config for my Dell Precision Mobile WorkStation M6600: Quantity Parts # Part Description 1 4G9KX Technical Sheet, Information, 512E-HD, World Wide 1 TDK7R Assembly, Heatsink, M6600 0 01323 INFORMATION..., NO ITEM 1 4YY4M ASSEMBLY..., BASE (ASSEMBLY OR GROUP)..., NOTEBOOK..., GRAY, THIRD PARTY MAINTENANCE..., M6600 4 2864D Screw, M3X3, K SCREW HEAD..., MICROSOFT..., BLACK OXIDE... 1 2DR0G KIT..., DOCUMENTATION..., SERI/WSI, DAO1 1 5120P Cord, Power, 125V, 6Feet, SJT..., Unshielded 1 NCW1W DVD+/-RW..., 8X, 9.5, BROOKS, HITACHI LG DATA STORAGE... 1 MW04C Card, Wireless, KILMERPEAK22 1 860D0 Bezel, Liquid Crystal Display, CMRA+MIC, Touch Screen, M6600 1 PHXVH Kit, Software, Creative, Camera, Business, 1.4 1 KJX6D Kit, Software, W7P64SP1, MUL26 1 27TV3 Processor, I7-2920XM, 2.5, 4C, SNB, D2, P 1 9HVD7 TECHNICAL SHEET..., SETUP..., PRECISION WORKSTATION..., M4600/M6600, ENGLAND/ENGLISH... 1 PVGPX Solid State Drive, 256G, S3, 2.5, CASED, Latin America, VGH 1 K2W94 Bracket, Right, Metal, Liquid Crystal Display, HD+, Full High Definition, M6600 1 G9M5X Card, Wireless, 375, Bluetooth, Foxconn 1 6W46K Assembly, Card, Graphics, BLACKCOMBXT 1 7JMFV Heatsink, W/FAN, Notebook, Graphics, M6600 1 K57WM Assembly, Liquid Crystal Display, Touch Screen, 17.3, Full High Definition, M6600 1 R4JC8 BRACKET..., MOUNTING..., BACK..., REMOVABLE STORAGE DEVICE..., Mobile Precision Workstation... 1 CJ3P2 Assembly, Camera, 2.1M, M11, Latitude/Precision 4 X830D Dual In-Line Memory Module, 4GB1333MHZ, 512X64, 8K, 200 1 R18J8 Assembly, Palmrest, W/O CSCRD, M6600 1 J211H Adapter, Alternating Current External, 240W, Delta - Ac Adapt, 3P, World Wide 2 1P2HK Cover, Screw, Liquid Crystal Display, M4600/M6600 1 7DWMT Battery, Primary, 97WHR, 9C, Samsung Power Division 1 K5W3R Assembly, Cover, Back, Full High Definition, Touch Screen, GRAY, M6600 1 HG3G3 Keyboard, 104, United States, English, Black, ENDB3 1 PVGPX Solid State Drive, 256G, S3, 2.5, CASED, Latin America, VGH Thanks, Rob Hi, I am having trouble attaching a image of the frozen screen. Is there a better way of getting the boot log and posting it to the list? Thanks, Rob -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora 15 on DELL Precision M6600 Laptop
On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 09:00 -0400, Robert McCullough wrote: Here is the current config for my Dell Precision Mobile WorkStation M6600: Quantity Parts # Part Description 1 4G9KX Technical Sheet, Information, 512E-HD, World Wide 1 TDK7R Assembly, Heatsink, M6600 0 01323 INFORMATION..., NO ITEM 1 4YY4M ASSEMBLY..., BASE (ASSEMBLY OR GROUP)..., NOTEBOOK..., GRAY, THIRD PARTY MAINTENANCE..., M6600 4 2864D Screw, M3X3, K SCREW HEAD..., MICROSOFT..., BLACK OXIDE... 1 2DR0G KIT..., DOCUMENTATION..., SERI/WSI, DAO1 1 5120P Cord, Power, 125V, 6Feet, SJT..., Unshielded 1 NCW1W DVD+/-RW..., 8X, 9.5, BROOKS, HITACHI LG DATA STORAGE... 1 MW04C Card, Wireless, KILMERPEAK22 1 860D0 Bezel, Liquid Crystal Display, CMRA+MIC, Touch Screen, M6600 1 PHXVH Kit, Software, Creative, Camera, Business, 1.4 1 KJX6D Kit, Software, W7P64SP1, MUL26 1 27TV3 Processor, I7-2920XM, 2.5, 4C, SNB, D2, P 1 9HVD7 TECHNICAL SHEET..., SETUP..., PRECISION WORKSTATION..., M4600/M6600, ENGLAND/ENGLISH... 1 PVGPX Solid State Drive, 256G, S3, 2.5, CASED, Latin America, VGH 1 K2W94 Bracket, Right, Metal, Liquid Crystal Display, HD+, Full High Definition, M6600 1 G9M5X Card, Wireless, 375, Bluetooth, Foxconn 1 6W46K Assembly, Card, Graphics, BLACKCOMBXT 1 7JMFV Heatsink, W/FAN, Notebook, Graphics, M6600 1 K57WM Assembly, Liquid Crystal Display, Touch Screen, 17.3, Full High Definition, M6600 1 R4JC8 BRACKET..., MOUNTING..., BACK..., REMOVABLE STORAGE DEVICE..., Mobile Precision Workstation... 1 CJ3P2 Assembly, Camera, 2.1M, M11, Latitude/Precision 4 X830D Dual In-Line Memory Module, 4GB1333MHZ, 512X64, 8K, 200 1 R18J8 Assembly, Palmrest, W/O CSCRD, M6600 1 J211H Adapter, Alternating Current External, 240W, Delta - Ac Adapt, 3P, World Wide 2 1P2HK Cover, Screw, Liquid Crystal Display, M4600/M6600 1 7DWMT Battery, Primary, 97WHR, 9C, Samsung Power Division 1 K5W3R Assembly, Cover, Back, Full High Definition, Touch Screen, GRAY, M6600 1 HG3G3 Keyboard, 104, United States, English, Black, ENDB3 1 PVGPX Solid State Drive, 256G, S3, 2.5, CASED, Latin America, VGH I can't tell from this if the m6600 you have has the AMD FirePro M8900 Mobility Pro with 2GB GDDR5 dedicated memory NVIDIA Quadro 3000M with 2GB GDDR5 dedicated memory NVIDIA Quadro 4000M with 2GB GDDR5 dedicated memory Which is it? -- Brian Millett - [ Ivanova (re: Andrei Ivanova), TKO] He said humanity had no business in space until we could learn to live in peace on Earth. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora 15 on DELL Precision M6600 Laptop
On 8/26/2011 10:07 AM, Brian Millett wrote: On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 09:00 -0400, Robert McCullough wrote: Here is the current config for my Dell Precision Mobile WorkStation M6600: Quantity Parts # Part Description 1 4G9KX Technical Sheet, Information, 512E-HD, World Wide 1 TDK7R Assembly, Heatsink, M6600 0 01323 INFORMATION..., NO ITEM 1 4YY4M ASSEMBLY..., BASE (ASSEMBLY OR GROUP)..., NOTEBOOK..., GRAY, THIRD PARTY MAINTENANCE..., M6600 4 2864D Screw, M3X3, K SCREW HEAD..., MICROSOFT..., BLACK OXIDE... 1 2DR0G KIT..., DOCUMENTATION..., SERI/WSI, DAO1 1 5120P Cord, Power, 125V, 6Feet, SJT..., Unshielded 1 NCW1W DVD+/-RW..., 8X, 9.5, BROOKS, HITACHI LG DATA STORAGE... 1 MW04C Card, Wireless, KILMERPEAK22 1 860D0 Bezel, Liquid Crystal Display, CMRA+MIC, Touch Screen, M6600 1 PHXVH Kit, Software, Creative, Camera, Business, 1.4 1 KJX6D Kit, Software, W7P64SP1, MUL26 1 27TV3 Processor, I7-2920XM, 2.5, 4C, SNB, D2, P 1 9HVD7 TECHNICAL SHEET..., SETUP..., PRECISION WORKSTATION..., M4600/M6600, ENGLAND/ENGLISH... 1 PVGPX Solid State Drive, 256G, S3, 2.5, CASED, Latin America, VGH 1 K2W94 Bracket, Right, Metal, Liquid Crystal Display, HD+, Full High Definition, M6600 1 G9M5X Card, Wireless, 375, Bluetooth, Foxconn 1 6W46K Assembly, Card, Graphics, BLACKCOMBXT 1 7JMFV Heatsink, W/FAN, Notebook, Graphics, M6600 1 K57WM Assembly, Liquid Crystal Display, Touch Screen, 17.3, Full High Definition, M6600 1 R4JC8 BRACKET..., MOUNTING..., BACK..., REMOVABLE STORAGE DEVICE..., Mobile Precision Workstation... 1 CJ3P2 Assembly, Camera, 2.1M, M11, Latitude/Precision 4 X830D Dual In-Line Memory Module, 4GB1333MHZ, 512X64, 8K, 200 1 R18J8 Assembly, Palmrest, W/O CSCRD, M6600 1 J211H Adapter, Alternating Current External, 240W, Delta - Ac Adapt, 3P, World Wide 2 1P2HK Cover, Screw, Liquid Crystal Display, M4600/M6600 1 7DWMT Battery, Primary, 97WHR, 9C, Samsung Power Division 1 K5W3R Assembly, Cover, Back, Full High Definition, Touch Screen, GRAY, M6600 1 HG3G3 Keyboard, 104, United States, English, Black, ENDB3 1 PVGPX Solid State Drive, 256G, S3, 2.5, CASED, Latin America, VGH I can't tell from this if the m6600 you have has the AMD FirePro M8900 Mobility Pro with 2GB GDDR5 dedicated memory NVIDIA Quadro 3000M with 2GB GDDR5 dedicated memory NVIDIA Quadro 4000M with 2GB GDDR5 dedicated memory Which is it? The AMD FirePro M8900 Mobility Pro. Rob -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora 15 on DELL Precision M6600 Laptop
Michael Dinon mdinon at gmail.com writes: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Robert McCullough rob.mccullough at promessinc.com wrote: Hi, When I try to install Fedora 15 on my new DELL M6600 the install locks-up / freezes. Any Ideas? Is this new hardware supported? Thanks, Rob-- users mailing listusers at lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Hi Rob,It would be helpful if you included more information regarding your hardware and during what part of the install do you encounter this freeze/lockup?-- Mike I have tried using the Fedora-15-i686-Live-KDE.iso and the boot.iso both give me the same results. First I select Install new system or upgrade an existing system option. Then it displays: Loading vmlinux Loading initrd.img ... ... Tring to unpack rootfs image ... ... ... Then it stops with some errors.. I will attach a screen shot to a following email. Here is the current config for my Dell Precision Mobile WorkStation M6600: QuantityParts # Part Description 1 4G9KX Technical Sheet, Information, 512E-HD, World Wide 1 TDK7R Assembly, Heatsink, M6600 0 01323 INFORMATION..., NO ITEM 1 4YY4M ASSEMBLY..., BASE (ASSEMBLY OR GROUP)..., NOTEBOOK..., GRAY, THIRD PARTY MAINTENANCE..., M6600 4 2864D Screw, M3X3, K SCREW HEAD..., MICROSOFT..., BLACK OXIDE... 1 2DR0G KIT..., DOCUMENTATION..., SERI/WSI, DAO1 1 5120P Cord, Power, 125V, 6Feet, SJT..., Unshielded 1 NCW1W DVD+/-RW..., 8X, 9.5, BROOKS, HITACHI LG DATA STORAGE... 1 MW04C Card, Wireless, KILMERPEAK22 1 860D0 Bezel, Liquid Crystal Display, CMRA+MIC, Touch Screen, M6600 1 PHXVH Kit, Software, Creative, Camera, Business, 1.4 1 KJX6D Kit, Software, W7P64SP1, MUL26 1 27TV3 Processor, I7-2920XM, 2.5, 4C, SNB, D2, P 1 9HVD7 TECHNICAL SHEET..., SETUP..., PRECISION WORKSTATION..., M4600/M6600, ENGLAND/ENGLISH... 1 PVGPX Solid State Drive, 256G, S3, 2.5, CASED, Latin America, VGH 1 K2W94 Bracket, Right, Metal, Liquid Crystal Display, HD+, Full High Definition, M6600 1 G9M5X Card, Wireless, 375, Bluetooth, Foxconn 1 6W46K Assembly, Card, Graphics, BLACKCOMBXT 1 7JMFV Heatsink, W/FAN, Notebook, Graphics, M6600 1 K57WM Assembly, Liquid Crystal Display, Touch Screen, 17.3, Full High Definition, M6600 1 R4JC8 BRACKET..., MOUNTING..., BACK..., REMOVABLE STORAGE DEVICE..., Mobile Precision Workstation... 1 CJ3P2 Assembly, Camera, 2.1M, M11, Latitude/Precision 4 X830D Dual In-Line Memory Module, 4GB1333MHZ, 512X64, 8K, 200 1 R18J8 Assembly, Palmrest, W/O CSCRD, M6600 1 J211H Adapter, Alternating Current External, 240W, Delta - Ac Adapt, 3P, World Wide 2 1P2HK Cover, Screw, Liquid Crystal Display, M4600/M6600 1 7DWMT Battery, Primary, 97WHR, 9C, Samsung Power Division 1 K5W3R Assembly, Cover, Back, Full High Definition, Touch Screen, GRAY, M6600 1 HG3G3 Keyboard, 104, United States, English, Black, ENDB3 1 PVGPX Solid State Drive, 256G, S3, 2.5, CASED, Latin America, VGH Thanks, Rob -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora 15 on DELL Precision M6600 Laptop
On 8/25/2011 10:02 AM, Robert McCullough wrote: Here is the screen shot. Rob -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora 15 on DELL Precision M6600 Laptop
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Robert McCullough rob.mccullo...@promessinc.com wrote: Hi, When I try to install Fedora 15 on my new DELL M6600 the install locks-up / freezes. Any Ideas? Is this new hardware supported? Thanks, Rob -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Hi Rob, It would be helpful if you included more information regarding your hardware and during what part of the install do you encounter this freeze/lockup? -- Mike -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: install fedora 15 via usb
Thanks for the tip i already used and installed it, i had the LiveCD so everything went ok! 2011/8/17 Michael Ekstrand mich...@elehack.net: On 08/17/2011 06:14 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 08/17/2011 06:10 PM, Leonardo wrote: is it possible? i want to install fedora 15 using an usb stick. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/15/html/Installation_Guide/Making_USB_Media.html You can choose to use either the install DVD ISO file or the LiveCD ISO file. Note that, if you use the DVD ISO, the installer will not find the packages and will fall back to network install (so the extra DVD download is a waste). This is tracked in Bugzilla (don't remember the bug number). - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: install fedora 15 via usb
On 08/17/2011 06:10 PM, Leonardo wrote: is it possible? i want to install fedora 15 using an usb stick. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/15/html/Installation_Guide/Making_USB_Media.html You can choose to use either the install DVD ISO file or the LiveCD ISO file. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: install fedora 15 via usb
thank you so much that's exactly what i need already testing works perfectly: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/15/html/Installation_Guide/Making_USB_Media-UNIX_Linux.html 2011/8/17 Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com: On 08/17/2011 06:10 PM, Leonardo wrote: is it possible? i want to install fedora 15 using an usb stick. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/15/html/Installation_Guide/Making_USB_Media.html You can choose to use either the install DVD ISO file or the LiveCD ISO file. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: install fedora 15 via usb
On 08/17/2011 06:14 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 08/17/2011 06:10 PM, Leonardo wrote: is it possible? i want to install fedora 15 using an usb stick. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/15/html/Installation_Guide/Making_USB_Media.html You can choose to use either the install DVD ISO file or the LiveCD ISO file. Note that, if you use the DVD ISO, the installer will not find the packages and will fall back to network install (so the extra DVD download is a waste). This is tracked in Bugzilla (don't remember the bug number). - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora on an android tablet or an iPad?
Linuxguy123 wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 09:30 -0600, CS_DBA wrote: Hi all, Anyone know of any projects / methods to install Fedora on a tablet like the iPad or an android tablet? I have an iPad and I run into things I wish I could do with it every day. Linux on my tablet would rock! I just bought a Dell Inspiron Duo. Firstly, I'd say its an iPad killer. Its has USB ports. It has enough power to run youtube videos. It does Flash, for better or worse. It has a 320GB hard drive and 2GB of RAM. It has Bluetooth, ie it can be tethered to a phone. It has enough power to run real applications. And on and on. Probably the biggest downfalls are that it doesn't have a camera and its a bit heavier than an iPad, but it also has a real (usable) keyboard built right in and when you close it up the screen is totally protected. The lack of a camera will be a problem for some people. As far as Linux goes, I haven't run it (yet) on my Duo, but there are videos on youtube of it running Ubuntu Unity in a pretty snappy fashion. If you (or others) want to run Linux on a Tablet, I'd say its a very good place to start. I'll let everyone know when I get around to installing it. The world awaits your progress. The other thing to be aware of is that the KDE team is working on something called Plasma-Active. I recommend Googling it. Yes, now that GNOME is adopting a you will do it the way we like it attitude I'm looking at other WM options. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora on an android tablet or an iPad?
On 5/7/11 1:18 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 09:30 -0600, CS_DBA wrote: Hi all, Anyone know of any projects / methods to install Fedora on a tablet like the iPad or an android tablet? I have an iPad and I run into things I wish I could do with it every day. Linux on my tablet would rock! I just bought a Dell Inspiron Duo. Firstly, I'd say its an iPad killer. Its has USB ports. It has enough power to run youtube videos. It does Flash, for better or worse. It has a 320GB hard drive and 2GB of RAM. It has Bluetooth, ie it can be tethered to a phone. It has enough power to run real applications. And on and on. Probably the biggest downfalls are that it doesn't have a camera and its a bit heavier than an iPad, but it also has a real (usable) keyboard built right in and when you close it up the screen is totally protected. The lack of a camera will be a problem for some people. As far as Linux goes, I haven't run it (yet) on my Duo, but there are videos on youtube of it running Ubuntu Unity in a pretty snappy fashion. If you (or others) want to run Linux on a Tablet, I'd say its a very good place to start. I'll let everyone know when I get around to installing it. The world awaits your progress. The other thing to be aware of is that the KDE team is working on something called Plasma-Active. I recommend Googling it. Yes, now that GNOME is adopting a you will do it the way we like it attitude I'm looking at other WM options. And this is a problem, how? Remember, we do have options. Windows and MacOSX users don't. Gnome is 'dumbing' down, as I've stated several times, here and to others in the RH network, to capture those who are not happy with Windows and the repeated problems they have encountered. Progress on the Wine project has helped immensely in this effort as well. I do expect to see a growth aspect as people move from Windows with its inherent problems to a much more stable workstation platform, Linux. We just have to make it 'friendly' and we will be further along... Then we can hope that some of them will 'look under the hood' and realize there are better performing WMs for their purposes. James McKenzie -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora on an android tablet or an iPad?
On 25 April 2011 20:00, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought a Dell Inspiron Duo. [ snip ] If you (or others) want to run Linux on a Tablet, I'd say its a very good place to start. I'll let everyone know when I get around to installing it. I'm very much looking forward to hearing more about this. -- Dave Cross :: d...@dave.org.uk http://dave.org.uk/ @davorg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora on an android tablet or an iPad?
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 09:30 -0600, CS_DBA wrote: Hi all, Anyone know of any projects / methods to install Fedora on a tablet like the iPad or an android tablet? I have an iPad and I run into things I wish I could do with it every day. Linux on my tablet would rock! I just bought a Dell Inspiron Duo. To save anyone else on the list who cares about such things the trouble of doing a web search, it has an Atom processor. FWIW -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora on an android tablet or an iPad?
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 09:30 -0600, CS_DBA wrote: Hi all, Anyone know of any projects / methods to install Fedora on a tablet like the iPad or an android tablet? I have an iPad and I run into things I wish I could do with it every day. Linux on my tablet would rock! I just bought a Dell Inspiron Duo. Firstly, I'd say its an iPad killer. Its has USB ports. It has enough power to run youtube videos. It does Flash, for better or worse. It has a 320GB hard drive and 2GB of RAM. It has Bluetooth, ie it can be tethered to a phone. It has enough power to run real applications. And on and on. Probably the biggest downfalls are that it doesn't have a camera and its a bit heavier than an iPad, but it also has a real (usable) keyboard built right in and when you close it up the screen is totally protected. As far as Linux goes, I haven't run it (yet) on my Duo, but there are videos on youtube of it running Ubuntu Unity in a pretty snappy fashion. If you (or others) want to run Linux on a Tablet, I'd say its a very good place to start. I'll let everyone know when I get around to installing it. The other thing to be aware of is that the KDE team is working on something called Plasma-Active. I recommend Googling it. I looked into installing Linux on an iPad and was deterred by a number of issues. The best thing about the Duo is that its totally open and free of all encumbrances. You don't need to jail break it and the chances of bricking it or running afoul of something the manufacturer engineered in are just about zero. As far as I am concerned, for my usage, a Duo is far better than an iPad. I am very, very happy with mine. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora on an android tablet or an iPad?
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:30:41 -0600 CS_DBA cs_...@consistentstate.com wrote: Hi all, Anyone know of any projects / methods to install Fedora on a tablet like the iPad or an android tablet? Not really. Each small group of Android devices needs its own highly customised setup. Unlike a PC there is no real standard or consistency across the different groups. In addition you often need custom flash tools and the like to do the setup and you can also break some of them for good if you get it wrong. It's very different to a PC as it's intended to be a device with specific kernel and setuo running a specific environment, and everything is specialised. How it plays out longer term is an interesting question. Clearly PC hardware is moving into that sort of form factor, although again not all of it is 'PC like' and some of the ARM folks are working more on standardisation. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: install fedora 13 problem
Mirko Jankovic mirko.jankovic at aeonproduction.com writes: ... I started installation on my main comp first I've noticed some graphic problems when there is installation started and there is mouse and fedora 13 welcome installation screen. there are some like glitches or something no idea how to describe them.. like bad pixels in small upper part of the screen. ... Hi, with regard to your graphics: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs#Hardware-related_issues Miscellaneous graphical problems and try VESA driver, at least for installation (later on you will have time to perfect it with a native driver if possible). JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: install fedora 13 problem
On 10/10/2010 03:27 PM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: Hey people. I'm jumping into fedora train right now but got some problems :) I've already got two installs without much problems.. one on my laptop and another fedora13 install on an older comp just to test it a bit before installing it on my main comp. But now I've got a problem. Both those install went without problems but when I started installation on my main comp first I've noticed some graphic problems when there is installation started and there is mouse and fedora 13 welcome installation screen. there are some like glitches or something no idea how to describe them.. like bad pixels in small upper part of the screen. But ignoring that everything went OK up to the part where I can choose a standard discs or non starts like sans and stuff.. When I choose standard disc installation just freeze there. No idea what is happening. Only this that came across my mind is that there is a problem with raid maybe? There are 2x640Gb HDD in raid0, there is win7 installed, and another 1Tb HDD, non-raid member disk, where I would like to install Fedora and have a dual boot. Still got programs that I need win for I'm afraid. Sooo.. any idea what could be wrong here? Installation went smooth on laptop and another comp but there is no raid so I'm guessing that could be a problem. This comp where installation froze is in short: Intel core2duo 2.6 4Gb RAM GeForce GTX 285 2x640 GB in raid0 1Tb non-raid separate disk. Would be shame to stop my fedora trip right at the installation :) Thank you! Mirko I searched the kernel source code of gtx.*285 and found nothing. On the web, I see bugs launched agains the X driver for this graphics chipset: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/20f97e89b8db636d http://www.hedgehogs.net/pg/newsfeeds/hhwebadmin/item/5246057/bug599719-xserverxorgvideonouveau-graphical-glitches-on-gtx-285-alerts-nvidia-corporation http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=599719 Is there a way you can use a different graphics card? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora 13 from Hard Drive
Kevin Fenzi wrote: Actually, I have always found the Fedora Installation Guide more or less useless. I would have thought it would be much better just to list the various ways in which one can install Fedora, and describe for each one exactly what one has to do. Care to file a bug against fedora-docs with your ideas, or better yet a write up of what you think should be there? I'll try to write up more clearly what I would like to see. Basically, it would start: There are 8(?) ways of installing Fedora-n. 1. Burn DVD 2. Burn CDs 3. USB stick 4. Hard disk install 5. PXEboot 6. preupgrade 7. Net install CD 8. Yum upgrade. ... Each of these is described more fully below ... Have you looked at the install quick start guide? http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en- US/Fedora/13/html/Installation_Quick_Start_Guide/index.html At a quick glance, this seems to cover methods 1 and 2 above. It is clear and factual, if a bit wordy; I mean Follow the instructions that appear on the screen covers almost everything after the DVD or CDs are burned, though there is nothing wrong in explaining more fully what choices are offered at each stage. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora 13 from Hard Drive
On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 12:46 -0700, JD wrote: Why from hard drive? If you have followed many other threads on this list. All you need to do is download the 32 bit iso, http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/13/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso and burn it to dvd. If your dvd is not working or don't have one, then install it onto a 4GB flash stick (the iso is 3.1 GB) - you do that by first installing I have to say that I'd prefer to install from a hard drive, than USB device, too. I don't have a big USB flash drive, and really don't want to go out and spend more money on something I don't really need when I do have spare hard drives laying around. And I do have computers without DVD drives, so installing from a hard drive was an easy solution for my situation. I can well imagine that I'm not the only person in that situation. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora 13 from Hard Drive
jambo i usually download the full iso dvd and the netinst iso CD. i mount the full iso on a web-server, so that the relevant directory is visible via the web, and burn the netinst iso CD. i create a kickstart file. this ks points to the web, with the full iso: url --url http://install.mydomain.com/f13 except if i install on the web-server itself. then this line looks like: harddrive --partition=/dev/sda3 --dir=/software/fedora/ then i boot the server to be installed from the netinst CD and give it the approp ks link: ks=http://install.mydomain.com/ks/myserver.ks.txt as kernel parameter. suomi On 2010-07-12 09:39, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 12:46 -0700, JD wrote: Why from hard drive? If you have followed many other threads on this list. All you need to do is download the 32 bit iso, http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/13/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso and burn it to dvd. If your dvd is not working or don't have one, then install it onto a 4GB flash stick (the iso is 3.1 GB) - you do that by first installing I have to say that I'd prefer to install from a hard drive, than USB device, too. I don't have a big USB flash drive, and really don't want to go out and spend more money on something I don't really need when I do have spare hard drives laying around. And I do have computers without DVD drives, so installing from a hard drive was an easy solution for my situation. I can well imagine that I'm not the only person in that situation. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora 13 from Hard Drive
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Henry Wyatt hewjr1...@gmail.com wrote: Need link or instructions on how to install from HDD. Currently have F13 86x64 but want to install 32 bit instead Copy the DVD iso onto a non-root partition on your machine, as an iso file. eg if you have a / and a /home partition then put the iso onto the /home partition. Or if you have a /opt partition that won't be altered during the install then you can put it in there instead. Then make a directory such as /mnt/tmp and then loop mount the iso onto that mount point by doing as root: # mount -o loop /path/to/Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso/mnt/tmp Now copy the images directory from the /mnt/tmp area to the same directory that you stored your DVD iso on i.e. /path/to/ in the line above. Now as root still, copy the two key boot files from the iso into the /boot area: # cd /boot # cp /mnt/tmp/isolinux/vmlinuz f13.install # cp /mnt/tmp/isolinux/initrd.img f13.install.img Now you have these two files in /boot Now add a suitable grub stanza to your grub.conf by doing # cd /boot/grub # vim grub.conf Once in the editor add a set of lines after the last normal stanza in this file that boots Fedora, in the form: title Fedora 13 Install root (hd0,5) kernel /boot/f13.install initrd /boot/f13.install.img Make sure that the line with root (hd0,5) matches the line in the previous stanza in your grub/conf file so that it picks the correct partition to boot from. i.e. select the correct drive and partition. Making it the same as the values from another stanza that boots your normal previous Fedora should be fine. Exit vim using the esc button followed by : to get a command prompt and then wq to write the changed file to disk. Now check the partition and path to the Fedora install iso file that you have on disk and write it down. eg Let's say that you have /opt mounted on /dev/sda7 (check using df -h) and the path was /opt/isos/Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso You need to remember /dev/sda7 and the relative path will be /isos/Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso Now all you need to do is to reboot the machine and interrupt grub so that you can select Fedora 13 Install to boot instead of the normal boot process. If all has gone well you should now start to boot the Fedora 13 installer - and be able to start off the install. If you select a hard drive install, then select /dev/sda7 (or whatever it is on your machine for the partition containing your iso) and your correct relative path, then the install should proceed as normal. Note that you will not be able to format the partition containing your iso during the install. Note that you should select custom partitioning and make sure that the root partition (/) is formatted during the install - and ensure that /opt and /home are not formatted but selected to be mounted after the install completes. If you use LVM then you will have to modify this approach accordingly. This approach allows a full normal install. It is the way I normally do my upgrades from one version of Fedora to the next. I hope this helps. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora 13 from Hard Drive
JB wrote: Need link or instructions on how to install from HDD.Currently have F13 86x64 but want to install 32 bit instead-- Hi, Fedora site is your friend: fedoraproject.org then select Docs from left-side menu. then Fedora 13, then Installation Guide, then paragraph 4.7 Preparing for a Hard Drive Installation, etc. I don't know what etc means at the end of this message. but the instructions in para 4.7 are far from lucid, in my opinion. They don't seem to mention the kernel or initrd files, or how to start the installation. The reader is referred to the anaconda rpm for instructions, which seems to me bizarre. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora 13 from Hard Drive
On 12/07/10 03:39 AM, Tim wrote: I have to say that I'd prefer to install from a hard drive, than USB device, too. I don't have a big USB flash drive, and really don't want to go out and spend more money on something I don't really need when I F13's boot.iso is around 208 MB. http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/13/Fedora/x86_64/os/images/boot.iso All I did was download that file and copied to a 256 MB stick I had lying around. Check my recent thread with subject cannot boot from USB stick using boot.iso for the procedure. Besides, with this USB method you install only the updated packages. With the DVD iso, you download the iso first, install it and then update the system. The latter step can easily take around an hour or so depending on your ISP speed and required updates. do have spare hard drives laying around. And I do have computers without DVD drives, so installing from a hard drive was an easy solution for my situation. I can well imagine that I'm not the only person in that situation. No, you are not. I have installed from hard drive in the past (I think it was F9). Here is what I did as I recall (don't have the specifics though). The idea is to download the DVD iso on a partition that was not going to be overwritten. I have a running Debian OS on the computer and I mounted that iso and extracted the kernel related files and copied them to my Debian /boot and created grub entries so that I could boot from F9 kernel. I rebooted using F9 kernel and asked the installer to choose an image on a hard drive. There is a bit of a hassle to create the relevant boot process but otherwise it does quite well. You should be able to search google for the exact method, or even alternatives (e.g. in case you have no OS installed on the system at all). -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
