Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 5:31 PM, jd1008  wrote:

> Javascript is evil..
> It is used to spy on your browsing activities.
> Not saying that openoffice.org's JS does that.
> Most websites install multiple javascripts on your computer.
> I asked a knowledgeable and savvy individual what did Sun Mucrosystems
> mean by "sandbox". He said "your entire machine".
>

You are confusing Javascript with Java. Different languages, different
implementations. JavaScript is a Netscape invention. Java is a Sun
Microsystems invention.

Most websites nowadays use JavaScript, not Java. GMail uses JavaScript, as
do all "AJAX" sites.

Java is rarely used on "web sites". Nowadays. Java is used on the server
side (Twitter runs atop Java - OpenJDK on their servers), or on desktops,
for full blown desktop apps, outside the browser (Think: the Vuze
bittorrent client, vuze.com, Jitsi, the open source Skype alternative, etc).

Regards,
FC
-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
- George Orwell


RE: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
To complete the information that I could get from the original reporter, I
finally asked about refreshing his browser pages.  

That did it.

It worked for both Chrome and Internet Explorer.  The Edge browser did not
show the problem because the reporter had not been using it and so there was
no cache to rely on.

It appears that refreshing the browser is not an automatic behavior for some
folks.  

I am not certain what sort of remedy there is.  I don't know if there is a
way to obtain caching on the network while not caching in browsers, or
caching for less time in browsers.  

Clearing browser caches has undesirable consequences for the user.  I am
also uncertain what can be done at the servers to invalidate upstream caches
when the cache lifetime is too great.

If anyone has knowledge of remedies in this regard, advice on dev@
openoffice.apache.org would be very welcome.

 - Dennis

> -Original Message-
> From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie]
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 14:34
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Cc: V. & B. Electric 
> Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released
> 
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 13:57:40 -0800
> "V. & B. Electric"  wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > I was trying to download the Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 new ver. released
> > <http://s.apache.org/announcing-openoffice-412> from below link: "
> > http://www.openoffice.org/download/"; but there is no download
> available.
> > Could you tell me if it is really available or not.
> > Thank you for your time.
> 
> One should refresh the Browser page or delete the browser cache, to
> force a reload of the data.
> 
> --
> Rory O'Farrell 
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RE: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Andrea,

The original reporter did not receive any noscript message.  He got a download 
page that had no buttons for Downloading Full Release and for Downloading 
Language Pack.  Instead, there were two tiny circles, suggesting that the 
technique for filling in the correct links on the browser page failed.

In addition, the light-green area beneath the darker-green download information 
was empty.  This is usually where details about the release version, sizes, 
signatures, hashes, and some additional links appear.  I don't know where that 
data comes from, but it did not appear.

The Original reporter sent me screen shots that confirm this behavior.  In 
addition, if the version is changed from 4.1.2 to 4.1.1, everything works 
properly, according to a later report.

I don't know if that is enough to figure out a source of the difficulty.  

Although the original reporter used both Internet Explorer 11 and Chrome on 
Windows 10 Home, presenting the same problem, it was later discovered that the 
Edge browser opens the page just fine.

 - Dennis



> -Original Message-
> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 11:47
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released
> 
> Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> > I believe the frame with release information is retrieved from
> SourceForge.
> 
> No, nothing from SourceForge appears on the openoffice.org domain. We
> simply link to binary files provided by them.
> 
> All the JavaScript is custom and stored in SVN. People without
> JavaScript see this notice:
>---
> Apache OpenOffice Downloads - Official Site
> 
> The browser seems to have JavaScript disabled. This technique is used
> for showing the actual download link. If you want to download Apache
> OpenOffice anyway, click this text to choose from the alternative
> download webpage. You will have to navigate to the
> version/binaries/language subfolder and and download the file named
> Apache_OpenOffice_version_os_platform_package_language.ext. Our
> apologies for the inconvenience.
>---
> Considering that we are in 2015 (I mean: people who browse without
> Javascript are doing it deliberately and are having a non-standard
> browsing experience on most sites), this is already more than enough.
> 
> The "click this text" above links to
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/ (surprise!
> this is where it comes from) and from there, without JavaScript, one can
> indeed browse to the folder and download OpenOffice with a mostly
> painless procedure (and no ads will be displayed).
> 
> Note: There's a typo ("and and") in the above text, I've just fixed it
> in revision 1714258.
> 
> Regards,
>Andrea.
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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-13 Thread jd1008



On 11/13/2015 01:24 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Larry Gusaas 
wrote:


He may have javascript disable on his browser.


That is one good point. Specially since there´s been a lot of press given
to extensions that disable javascript, like NoScript for Firefox, and
others.

This site is specially useful, it will show you right at the top in one big
box if Javascript is enabled or disabled.

https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/is-javascript-enabled

Btw: maybe the download page could be tweaked to include <.NOSCRIPT.> tags
and the message "This page needs JavaScript to function, please enable it"
between em?
FC

Javascript is evil..
It is used to spy on your browsing activities.
Not saying that openoffice.org's JS does that.
Most websites install multiple javascripts on your computer.
I asked a knowledgeable and savvy individual what did Sun Mucrosystems
mean by "sandbox". He said "your entire machine".



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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Larry Gusaas 
wrote:

> He may have javascript disable on his browser.


That is one good point. Specially since there´s been a lot of press given
to extensions that disable javascript, like NoScript for Firefox, and
others.

This site is specially useful, it will show you right at the top in one big
box if Javascript is enabled or disabled.

https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/is-javascript-enabled

Btw: maybe the download page could be tweaked to include <.NOSCRIPT.> tags
and the message "This page needs JavaScript to function, please enable it"
between em?
FC


-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
- George Orwell


Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

I believe the frame with release information is retrieved from SourceForge.


No, nothing from SourceForge appears on the openoffice.org domain. We 
simply link to binary files provided by them.


All the JavaScript is custom and stored in SVN. People without 
JavaScript see this notice:

  ---
Apache OpenOffice Downloads - Official Site

The browser seems to have JavaScript disabled. This technique is used 
for showing the actual download link. If you want to download Apache 
OpenOffice anyway, click this text to choose from the alternative 
download webpage. You will have to navigate to the 
version/binaries/language subfolder and and download the file named 
Apache_OpenOffice_version_os_platform_package_language.ext. Our 
apologies for the inconvenience.

  ---
Considering that we are in 2015 (I mean: people who browse without 
Javascript are doing it deliberately and are having a non-standard 
browsing experience on most sites), this is already more than enough.


The "click this text" above links to 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/ (surprise! 
this is where it comes from) and from there, without JavaScript, one can 
indeed browse to the folder and download OpenOffice with a mostly 
painless procedure (and no ads will be displayed).


Note: There's a typo ("and and") in the above text, I've just fixed it 
in revision 1714258.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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RE: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
In a direct response, the original reporter was successful using the 
SourceForge Download mirror page.

It remains unknown what prevented the Apache OpenOffice download page from 
rendering properly.

 - Dennis



> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 09:27
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released
> 
> Thanks Larry,
> 
> I considered that it might be a JavaScript problem and I looked at the
> Source of the page.  There are *tons* of JavaScript on that page and it
> appears to be running.  I did not dig deeper.
> 
> I did not turn on a debugger and I did not look deeper to see if there
> is something particular about the JavaScript that is only what is
> failing.
> 
> I believe the frame with release information is retrieved from
> SourceForge.  If the page served directly from SourceForge at
> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/> does work, we
> can rule out SourceForge blocking and look elsewhere.
> 
>  - Dennis
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Larry Gusaas [mailto:larry.gus...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 19:34
> > To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released
> >
> > On 2015-11-12, 9:21 PM Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> > > In a direct response and screen shot sent to me, the problem for the
> > reporter is that the Download button does not appear on his computer.
> > There are two small adjacent circles where the "Download full
> > installation" and "Download language pack" buttons should be.
> > >
> > > The frame with the release information is also empty.
> >
> > He may have javascript disable on his browser.
> >
> > --
> > _
> >
> > Larry I. Gusaas
> > Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
> > Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
> > "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
> > theirs." - Edgard Varese
> >
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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-13 Thread Dale Erwin
Well it's difficult to confuse a link with plain text when it's a big button 
labeled "download"

On Nov 12, 2015 6:00 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Dale Erwin  
> wrote: 
>
> >   It really annoys me how sourceforge puts all those other download links 
> > on the open office download page 
>
>
> Those are most of the time not links, but advert banners. 
>
> Big difference. Web users should learn to know the difference between a 
> regular text link, a web page button and a bitmap (image) with text written 
> on it. Just hovering the mouse cursor over an banner image will usually 
> tell you (by looking at the browser's status bar) where that takes you if 
> you click. 
>
> In fact if you read the TEXT on the Sourceforge page it tells you that the 
> download is starting automatically in 5 seconds.  "Your download will start 
> shortly" followed by "Your download will start in 5 seconds". Which 
> counts down to zero when it finally starts. 
>
> I have installed an adverts blocker in my browser so I don't even see 
> whatever 3rd party advert banner the site might want to show me. 
>
> See this screenshot for what I mean: 
> http://s28.postimg.org/5v08sx5yl/adverts.png 
>
> (on the screenshot I was downloading another program, not AOO, but the 
> point is made) 
>
> FC 
>
> PS: Every time I see someone saying "you should ditch Sourceforge" I'm 
> forced to repeat the same: Sourceforge.net has one feature that IMHO all 
> other alternatrives lack, namely LOCAL MIRRORS. I'm down in Argentina and 
> the nearest SF.net mirror is in Brazil, so my download is initiated from 
> the Brazilian mirror. SF.net has local mirrors all around the world 
> Link for a list of mirrors: 
> http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Mirrors/ 
>
> ...which means users get faster downloads and ISPs do not overload 
> international pipes. 


RE: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Thanks Larry,

I considered that it might be a JavaScript problem and I looked at the Source 
of the page.  There are *tons* of JavaScript on that page and it appears to be 
running.  I did not dig deeper.  

I did not turn on a debugger and I did not look deeper to see if there is 
something particular about the JavaScript that is only what is failing.

I believe the frame with release information is retrieved from SourceForge.  If 
the page served directly from SourceForge at 
<http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/> does work, we can rule 
out SourceForge blocking and look elsewhere.

 - Dennis


> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Gusaas [mailto:larry.gus...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 19:34
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released
> 
> On 2015-11-12, 9:21 PM Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> > In a direct response and screen shot sent to me, the problem for the
> reporter is that the Download button does not appear on his computer.
> There are two small adjacent circles where the "Download full
> installation" and "Download language pack" buttons should be.
> >
> > The frame with the release information is also empty.
> 
> He may have javascript disable on his browser.
> 
> --
> _
> 
> Larry I. Gusaas
> Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
> theirs." - Edgard Varese
> 
> 
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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-12 Thread Larry Gusaas

On 2015-11-12, 9:21 PM Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

In a direct response and screen shot sent to me, the problem for the reporter is that the Download 
button does not appear on his computer.  There are two small adjacent circles where the 
"Download full installation" and "Download language pack" buttons should be.

The frame with the release information is also empty.


He may have javascript disable on his browser.

--
_

Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - 
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RE: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
In a direct response and screen shot sent to me, the problem for the reporter 
is that the Download button does not appear on his computer.  There are two 
small adjacent circles where the "Download full installation" and "Download 
language pack" buttons should be. 

The frame with the release information is also empty.

I am wondering about adblockers and possible blocking of access to SourceForge.

I recommend that Victor try going directly to
.

Victor, you should see a big green Download button just beneath the Apache 
OpenOffice title and the review stars.  If you do, click that button.

Do not press any buttons on the next page that comes up.  Just wait several 
seconds.  The "Do you want to run or save ... " dialog should then appear at 
the bottom of your Internet Explorer 11 window.

If you don't get the button on the sourceforge.net page, let us know and we can 
find another alternative.

 - Dennis

 




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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-12 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Dale Erwin 
wrote:

>   It really annoys me how sourceforge puts all those other download links
> on the open office download page


Those are most of the time not links, but advert banners.

Big difference. Web users should learn to know the difference between a
regular text link, a web page button and a bitmap (image) with text written
on it. Just hovering the mouse cursor over an banner image will usually
tell you (by looking at the browser's status bar) where that takes you if
you click.

In fact if you read the TEXT on the Sourceforge page it tells you that the
download is starting automatically in 5 seconds.  "Your download will start
shortly" followed by "Your download will start in 5 seconds". Which
counts down to zero when it finally starts.

I have installed an adverts blocker in my browser so I don't even see
whatever 3rd party advert banner the site might want to show me.

See this screenshot for what I mean:
http://s28.postimg.org/5v08sx5yl/adverts.png

(on the screenshot I was downloading another program, not AOO, but the
point is made)

FC

PS: Every time I see someone saying "you should ditch Sourceforge" I'm
forced to repeat the same: Sourceforge.net has one feature that IMHO all
other alternatrives lack, namely LOCAL MIRRORS. I'm down in Argentina and
the nearest SF.net mirror is in Brazil, so my download is initiated from
the Brazilian mirror. SF.net has local mirrors all around the world
Link for a list of mirrors:
http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Mirrors/

...which means users get faster downloads and ISPs do not overload
international pipes.


Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-12 Thread jd1008



On 11/12/2015 03:38 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

Here is a screenshot of what the download page looks like and where you
should click to download it.

http://s22.postimg.org/f9vo1hdz5/aoo_download.jpg

FC --
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
- George Orwell


Hi Fernando,
Sorry - as my reply is off topic, but could not resist commenting :)

The times Orwell was talking about have always been on earth, at least 
for the last several thousand years.
There is an age, a season of time, lasting 1.76 million years, as 
recorded in the ancient scripture called

The Veda.
That season of time is called Satya Yuga (The Age of Truth). It will 
dawn  426,973 years after this year.




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RE: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
(Note, the image might not appear on the list.  It will be in the email that 
Victor receives directly.  It shows the top part of the download page with the 
download options and buttons visible.)

Victor,

Did you not see a display such as the one I just captured?  It might be in a 
different language and offer the software for a different operating system.

Please tell us

 1. What Browser you are using.
 2. What native language your browser is set for.
 3. What is the operating system of the computer you are using.

It may be that one of those is causing an incorrect or incomplete download page 
to be presented to you.

 - Dennis


> -Original Message-
> From: V. & B. Electric [mailto:victorbrasove...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 13:58
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released
> 
> Hello,
> I was trying to download the Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 new ver. released
> <http://s.apache.org/announcing-openoffice-412> from below link: "
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/"; but there is no download available.
> Could you tell me if it is really available or not.
> Thank you for your time.
> Regards,
> 
> --
> *Victor Brasoveanu*


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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-12 Thread Fernando Cassia
Here is a screenshot of what the download page looks like and where you
should click to download it.

http://s22.postimg.org/f9vo1hdz5/aoo_download.jpg

FC

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 6:57 PM, V. & B. Electric <
victorbrasove...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> I was trying to download the Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 new ver. released
>  from below link: "
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/"; but there is no download available.
> Could you tell me if it is really available or not.
> Thank you for your time.
> Regards,
>
> --
> *Victor Brasoveanu*
>



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Revolucionario
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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-12 Thread Dale Erwin
Just one thought, though, when you click on the download button, it will 
transfer you to the sourceforge site.  DO NOT click on any download 
button on the sourceforge site.  Just wait a few seconds and your 
download will begin.  It really annoys me how sourceforge puts all those 
other download links on the open office download page, as well as all 
the others pages they host.  I also hear that many of those other links 
are to dangerous programs including spyware.  I would be very happy if I 
heard that Apache had stopped using the sourceforge link.  Every time 
this subject comes up, someone always jumps in to defend them saying 
they no longer do that, but the problems with their site continue.


Dale Erwin


On 11/12/2015 5:16 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

That's strange because I just downloaded it from there.

On Nov 12, 2015 4:57 PM, "V. & B. Electric"  wrote:

Hello,
I was trying to download the Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 new ver. released
 from below link: "
http://www.openoffice.org/download/"; but there is no download available.
Could you tell me if it is really available or not.
Thank you for your time.
Regards,

--
*Victor Brasoveanu*



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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-12 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 13:57:40 -0800
"V. & B. Electric"  wrote:

> Hello,
> I was trying to download the Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 new ver. released
>  from below link: "
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/"; but there is no download available.
> Could you tell me if it is really available or not.
> Thank you for your time.

One should refresh the Browser page or delete the browser cache, to force a 
reload of the data.  

-- 
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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-12 Thread Dale Erwin
That's strange because I just downloaded it from there.

On Nov 12, 2015 4:57 PM, "V. & B. Electric"  wrote:
>
> Hello, 
> I was trying to download the Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 new ver. released 
>  from below link: " 
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/"; but there is no download available. 
> Could you tell me if it is really available or not. 
> Thank you for your time. 
> Regards, 
>
> -- 
> *Victor Brasoveanu* 

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Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-11-12 Thread V. & B. Electric
Hello,
I was trying to download the Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 new ver. released
 from below link: "
http://www.openoffice.org/download/"; but there is no download available.
Could you tell me if it is really available or not.
Thank you for your time.
Regards,

-- 
*Victor Brasoveanu*


Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-10-29 Thread Scooter C

Good Afternoon  Group,

I installed AOO 4.1.2 and it still works flawlessly, although I haven't 
tried Everything yet.
I did have a minor problem with my first try at the download, but it did 
fine on the 2nd DL attempt.


Take Care.
Scooter
College Park, MD USA

Rory O'Farrell wrote on 10/28/2015 4:31 PM:

Announced on the en-Forum with a sticky global message on all sub-forums.




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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-10-28 Thread Rory O'Farrell
Announced on the en-Forum with a sticky global message on all sub-forums.

-- 
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[ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

2015-10-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti

28 October 2015 - The Apache OpenOffice project is pleased to announce
the immediate availability of OpenOffice 4.1.2. You can download it
from the official website http://www.openoffice.org/

Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 brings stability fixes, bug fixes and
enhancements. All users of Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1 or earlier are
advised to upgrade.

Main improvements include:
* Bug fixes in Writer, Calc, Impress/Draw, Base.
* Better WebDAV and file locking support: OpenOffice is now able to
  properly interact with Microsoft Sharepoint.
* Redesign of the PDF export dialog for better usability on small
  laptop screens.
* Updates of underlying libraries, for better performance and increased
  security.
* Security vulnerability fixes, with details eventually disclosed at the
  dedicated page http://www.openoffice.org/security/bulletin.html

Full version of this announcement:
http://s.apache.org/announcing-openoffice-412

Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 Release Notes:
http://s.apache.org/release-notes-openoffice-412

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