RE: Tomcat-user versus StackOverflow
Chris said: I was happy to see SO demolish the Experts Exchange overnight. Their site got great Google rankings but never gave you any actual answers unless you paid them. - -chris About 3/4 of the time when I have gone there, all I have to do is scroll down the page to below all the ads, and the answers are right there. Note that I routinely have javascript blocked and don't usually use a current browser, so that may have something to do with it. Rebeccah __ The contents of this message, together with any attachments, are intended only for the use of the person(s) to which they are addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Further, any medical information herein is confidential and protected by law. It is unlawful for unauthorized persons to use, review, copy, disclose, or disseminate confidential medical information. If you are not the intended recipient, immediately advise the sender and delete this message and any attachments. Any distribution, or copying of this message, or any attachment, is prohibited.
Re: Tomcat-user versus StackOverflow
On 14/03/2014 13:10, Christopher Schultz wrote: All, I'm finding a lot of questions lately posted simultaneously to both tomcat-user and to StackOverflow. How does the Tomcat community feel about that? I'm wondering whether I (as a member of said community) should be encouraging SO users to post here or get their answers here or whether its worth it to answer both places or what. Assuming that the user bothers to check both places for an answer, it doesn't matter to them whether the answer comes on SO or tomcat-user. On the one hand, SO rewards accepted answers with karma points, so that's kinda nice, but I don't really give a crap about that. On the other hand, the ASF is about community, and I feel like growing the community is an important part of being a member. Additionally, I really think that SO is a great site and quite helpful (their community has helped me out a number of times) and therefore don't want to diminish /their/ community by, for example, refusing to answer directly over there. But it's a pain in the butt to craft an answer on tomcat-user to try to help someone and then see the same question later on SO. Copy and paste? While something that is effectively cross-posting is annoying for those us subscribed to this list and who use stack overflow I can understand folks wanting to seek help from a range of different places. SO is meant to be about programming so one thing you can do is vote to close /flag non-programming questions on SO. Granted, they might just move to server fault but I doubt it. There was talk a while ago of trying to create some form of link between SO and Apache user lists but there isn't an easy mapping available. Overall, I think we just have to live with it. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat-user versus StackOverflow
I don't think I've ever had to ask a question on SO because there's nearly always someone else who has already asked my question and it's easy to search. So my tendency is to let Google fish in SO (and the rest of the world) for my question, rummage a bit, and then try to find an ML for the product in question if my need is unusual. I'd probably ask on SO if I couldn't find an ML or the ML proved unhelpful. Neither of which is true of this list. But then I'm such an old fossil that I think email is still useful. :-) -- Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer mw...@iupui.edu Machines should not be friendly. Machines should be obedient. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Tomcat-user versus StackOverflow
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 01:31:06PM +, Mark Thomas wrote: While something that is effectively cross-posting is annoying for those us subscribed to this list and who use stack overflow I can understand folks wanting to seek help from a range of different places. I'm reminded of the repairman's story of arriving at a site and discovering he'd been entered in a race: the customer had called two other repair shops as well, and apparently whoever arrived first got the job. He was unhappy about that. I can understand why. -- Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer mw...@iupui.edu Machines should not be friendly. Machines should be obedient. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Tomcat-user versus StackOverflow
Hello Christopher, I'm sorry I posted the same message on StackOverflow and Tomcat-Users. It's not something I usually do. When I post on two different forums, which happens sometimes, I do not write the same message nor the same title. For example: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/force-owner-owner-group-permissions-4175497802/ In this precise case (http://tomcat.10.x6.nabble.com/Files-created-by-a-Tomcat-webapp-and-owner-owner-group-permissions-for-this-file-td5014053.html), I hadn't posted on Tomcat-Users for while. I was in hurry and thought by mistake that the forum was dead. It wasn't meant on purpose. I guess I could delete my thread on StackOverflow and thank you again for your answers both on StackOverflow and Tomcat-Users? Best regards, -- Léa Massiot -- View this message in context: http://tomcat.10.x6.nabble.com/Re-Tomcat-user-versus-StackOverflow-tp5014264.html Sent from the Tomcat - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: Tomcat-user versus StackOverflow
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 All, I'm finding a lot of questions lately posted simultaneously to both tomcat-user and to StackOverflow. How does the Tomcat community feel about that? Any opinions? - -chris I don't prefer sites that require I have an account to log in. I don't see a benefit to it nor do I care about badges either. There are too many sites to remember all those log ins. I prefer the list, or things like lists. Or like Mr. Wood, I comb through those sites if I have to. However, this kind of thing happens on other sites in which I participate. A user wants an answer to their question and casts a net in several different forums on the same site. It doesn't help them and it makes searching for the answer harder because the keywords are now in several different forum areas and maybe the answer came in only one of those forum areas.
Re: Tomcat-user versus StackOverflow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Léa, On 3/14/14, 10:33 AM, Léa Massiot wrote: I'm sorry I posted the same message on StackOverflow and Tomcat-Users. It's not something I usually do. Don't worry: I wasn't trying to single you out. There are lots of people who do it. Now that you're here, I hope you continue to consider yourself a member of the community and remain a mailing list contributor. You can learn a lot from reading other people's posts. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJTIxk1AAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYXBgP/317zwoBfJlqyP/hZ711bawL AcbYyLDF0p4fhKQJYitGdT3AmbncATcBj0RiSKfDrOKLH/Sx1MQM6FYcc34SXJLZ WrFlKgTcFgBjP1NaJ7FDTvrwqzNGuFmD7SLJci1ALlva9X6EFecaOwmlj9KQR0q6 QytQqxh8N4FW/pow1yNMbhpSTeyWiH9HlgK+/UNo/Fla+FPehAUzu2o/L3IQs6RG C89nc4xJxVhGdqhpJiT1rdukZcB/0RZxQMpH7TePV3cBrlv+QzSMM3dcSzuAvQ47 IbttmP3U46rikCkv3lfPyaljz2HLMbbpdVxsBdhVMhD3/8lcQF7i8YNRnTUDxXCe FwLZkv8aewQjNbzNOo0fr+qcHdLg4r5oIjKpTgRmFDuDVhw4swfVkSv/gFWMBHUT rVn/MC/BJCiPwqweqnagD7SfySIWtE9z/Bvc2SEWkCfKbTv0LTYVy1OlayA5PhCG Vjnk2OcD9oIcmWli/5TMiBfp1DO2XLude7U0/IfB4pdPnjQPFMU7c02iHhdq2XIQ n+wjhPaAjcdQo2+Pm6qZxT7h4waygSci78JMhpCLnGOWra4ItlXy9+TLiVRxI4ES xM0OUuxEGfkqE3nc6MAMcG8sI4YLohMFs0IWksMc0PIkBE2SojiEqHtn/N8XqtsK t4Zvt5M8PR7NayFmyGbF =DzJC -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat-user versus StackOverflow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Leo, On 3/14/14, 10:58 AM, Leo Donahue wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 All, I'm finding a lot of questions lately posted simultaneously to both tomcat-user and to StackOverflow. How does the Tomcat community feel about that? Any opinions? - -chris I don't prefer sites that require I have an account to log in. I don't see a benefit to it nor do I care about badges either. There are too many sites to remember all those log ins. I prefer the list, or things like lists. Or like Mr. Wood, I comb through those sites if I have to. However, this kind of thing happens on other sites in which I participate. A user wants an answer to their question and casts a net in several different forums on the same site. It doesn't help them and it makes searching for the answer harder because the keywords are now in several different forum areas and maybe the answer came in only one of those forum areas. I was happy to see SO demolish the Experts Exchange overnight. Their site got great Google rankings but never gave you any actual answers unless you paid them. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJTIxoJAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYHtwP/3Y0eCv8qU7h6NLbXqn8i2bM Miy0aWWqW4i2ajEWznubxGdkstQ1OK5M2W0e/8fWBtzgkEHQf2RpqmfAKXXgS4nI vSvQMmZM716KQiraeHtokEU8UcQxKb9kr9OrCARIuPfmrqCdezz0EucjTu9knx33 l83HWPwC1EL5fiGdMaUqMfRVSD7OLOI0yCCIkePg42XltJgO4zu13mHUj516J9P1 9CxNiUOTfrKIAN1oQiEpGKcLf+HX1TJqZ6lOt1abq8uhBQ7qoavTO571C1baqdoI wYeQE4CCm9inTJiLXHz2JN3gRV/NcFt5ocObsizGOzti48cltMT5tPBAUwryfXNy YqbmS3GkIY7PTwhMFTYQ/fqH8nvJaS0QPwgVb2DluCQhciS4bSHn30L712aYX/Kr zyu6u9JFKgNjG5Idi/u13km4ahFXOx7vGpvkwrxAxNiUws+MmR0tjQ0iXpWA0Q+Z eqtzu0s+NviwEzH7nm++Hbw1ZYgL93fRNHrGD/o8fAeCwDb6tH+nb0qfNElATOEL vkneovSm4AaA2+HYSnrEhjy6c2r9ttY5RS+DGUMUixNhIkcJGxwJPGsespac/X25 3QKceJLI8pBASamoont//5bh3VKdingiI0Uqc4ouzdrD1+DL3PouYrUajIHQ5Mkz qgPBTcYaZO5J9LgdaARM =bOJ5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat-user versus StackOverflow
On 2014-03-14 3:59 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote: Don't worry: I wasn't trying to single you out. There are lots of people who do it. Now that you're here, I hope you continue to consider yourself a member of the community and remain a mailing list contributor. You can learn a lot from reading other people's posts. - -chris Thanks :) Cheers, -- Léa - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat-user versus StackOverflow
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Leo, On 3/14/14, 10:58 AM, Leo Donahue wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: I was happy to see SO demolish the Experts Exchange overnight. Their site got great Google rankings but never gave you any actual answers unless you paid them. - -chris I think the SO and Experts Exchange sites partly contribute to the idea that new users think they can post questions and expect to get vending machine answers. It's a hard culture to change.
Re: Tomcat-user versus StackOverflow
Chris, I'm afraid I was also a bit guilty of this very recently, but I'll accept your welcome also. :-) It's refreshing to see people who still care about user-list communities. They seem to foster the kind of individuals I enjoy communicating with, but are sadly dwindling. Cheers On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Leo Donahue donahu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Leo, On 3/14/14, 10:58 AM, Leo Donahue wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: I was happy to see SO demolish the Experts Exchange overnight. Their site got great Google rankings but never gave you any actual answers unless you paid them. - -chris I think the SO and Experts Exchange sites partly contribute to the idea that new users think they can post questions and expect to get vending machine answers. It's a hard culture to change.
Re: Tomcat-user versus StackOverflow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Joesph, On 3/14/14, 12:38 PM, Joesph Bleau wrote: It's refreshing to see people who still care about user-list communities. They seem to foster the kind of individuals I enjoy communicating with, but are sadly dwindling. Come meet some of us in Denver in April: http://apachecon.com/ - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJTI1F/AAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYmIUP/3jDkiqAmoKMusa5SFP66L3z cGf0j32MoU2jeNs09GUBpCwC2CpBeD7tqebhPoSP4g30qsxaqFIFeiJo0J1JVxkg 6w6n7YUhe9R5jzoJW2GKhJIXp7RobqEenfXS5KGYWspPxoeZHemSvA4Mk0kWjY9b 2zfK8fQLrXNcGkTmn+xwEFo6j37RWvTWsG6quIahTcoBExGkVjwq6CMxFIxKvU6r iBC8DQxg5b93Gpx5LWEqYgi2gX4cztqVzjQPUXxCKo77ozKt5pzF4JKKvEPhsU+2 x6ZyINtic4dbCs0/CG+xc37RDrgUfUOyJQRdfpZtyTcUX/EB1EEGM+EZ6eSFBE91 YjCPH9VF7I8a/MXkEvraAUviDa9faGG+uTX/+qQHNFoBF6AJh5ZpgC6lh+uv9Wsl 513QNkGigfkk5/l4Fcuy22wsdgxNahop1hsuJL+7X4kGuvr2CZKFQOYl8jOBcLpp 5h7E8no1PfrSnTlwYNlTdOjhlV5RvD2FUVTniYWn7nxmx2I+MK7kFD9EwQCgXfUw saZeA+5URpSOaNN9I2u225seZWiEtNvepZ0PXdQZ9N9LhW4R1L2ci/UAwAacyqPX RPebVF4Z5LqLDV/GhnPjyR2qoLpraPkTngXzT3Eua0WrHNcW6lNlsJR8C8yF/dfw HSFm34lSXYyfWmPGJ0lk =Ai2E -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat-user versus StackOverflow
I think I prefer to stay with Tomcat users list. Problem with SO is that they close the questions without the second thought.Its becoming more of kind of dictatorship. Too generic , close it and too easy, flame the poster altitude. Again I don't have any issues with SO and I did receive lot of assistance from there and I still use it,but would not prefer apache list going SO way till they provide the same flexibility as we get in apache list. On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Joesph, On 3/14/14, 12:38 PM, Joesph Bleau wrote: It's refreshing to see people who still care about user-list communities. They seem to foster the kind of individuals I enjoy communicating with, but are sadly dwindling. Come meet some of us in Denver in April: http://apachecon.com/ - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJTI1F/AAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYmIUP/3jDkiqAmoKMusa5SFP66L3z cGf0j32MoU2jeNs09GUBpCwC2CpBeD7tqebhPoSP4g30qsxaqFIFeiJo0J1JVxkg 6w6n7YUhe9R5jzoJW2GKhJIXp7RobqEenfXS5KGYWspPxoeZHemSvA4Mk0kWjY9b 2zfK8fQLrXNcGkTmn+xwEFo6j37RWvTWsG6quIahTcoBExGkVjwq6CMxFIxKvU6r iBC8DQxg5b93Gpx5LWEqYgi2gX4cztqVzjQPUXxCKo77ozKt5pzF4JKKvEPhsU+2 x6ZyINtic4dbCs0/CG+xc37RDrgUfUOyJQRdfpZtyTcUX/EB1EEGM+EZ6eSFBE91 YjCPH9VF7I8a/MXkEvraAUviDa9faGG+uTX/+qQHNFoBF6AJh5ZpgC6lh+uv9Wsl 513QNkGigfkk5/l4Fcuy22wsdgxNahop1hsuJL+7X4kGuvr2CZKFQOYl8jOBcLpp 5h7E8no1PfrSnTlwYNlTdOjhlV5RvD2FUVTniYWn7nxmx2I+MK7kFD9EwQCgXfUw saZeA+5URpSOaNN9I2u225seZWiEtNvepZ0PXdQZ9N9LhW4R1L2ci/UAwAacyqPX RPebVF4Z5LqLDV/GhnPjyR2qoLpraPkTngXzT3Eua0WrHNcW6lNlsJR8C8yF/dfw HSFm34lSXYyfWmPGJ0lk =Ai2E -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
