Re: GSoC ideas for 09
Having done Gsoc for 2008 (Unrelated OSS project) I'd suggest extremely well defined projects, extremely clear project management and quite a few introductions for tasks expected, not to mention multiple mentors (For picking up slack) defined targets and monitoring as if this was a VC set of money you sat on and expected output from. /je On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:26 AM, C. Bergström wrote: Hi Everyone! A year ago I bugged dashorst about why Wicket didn't participate in the 08 GSoC.. This year I've been brainstorming on ideas and want to see what others think could be useful projects for Wicket. Thanks ./Christopher Johan Edstrom j...@opennms.org They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
Here is some info: http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html I'll be happy to contribute my time also. The only catch is that I wouldn't be considered a Wicket expert. I've only read Wicket in Action and I'm three months into a professional application based on Wicket. However, I am a seasoned Java and JEE developer. And I've co-authored two college text books on the subject: http://www.jbpub.com/catalog/9780763754891/ http://www.jbpub.com/catalog/9780763734237/ -Richard On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:13 AM, nino martinez wael nino.martinez.w...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be happy to mentor, what does it require?. I do have a life besides Wicket/Wicketstuff as Martijn has :) regards Nino 2009/2/26 Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com While I am perfectly capable of working on Wicket in my spare time without being rewarded, I find it way out of line to characterize the way I spend my own time as lame when such that doesn't fit the criteria of anyone. Being characterized as lame because we are engaged in other things, such as family, preparing Wicket presentations, building releases, fixing bugs, reading books, playing games, earning money, eating, sleeping, feeding our children, is utterly uncalled for (though sleeping might be considered lame). Christopher is very capable of writing English prose, so I take that at face value. It's not that someone with a poor knowledge of English wrote this. Armchair volunteerism is very easy to do: it doesn't cost any time, and you don't commit yourself to anything. If anyone wants to pursue GSoC, they're very welcome to call themselves Vice President of Wicket Stuff and enlist as Mentor etc. If any of the other core committers thinks a GSoC is ok, I'm fine with that too. However, given that we're struggling to get all the bugs fixed in 1.3.6 and 1.4, I find it hard to believe that anyone will have the time and energy to do the mentoring as well. I don't have that time and energy. Martijn On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Richard Allen richard.l.al...@gmail.com wrote: The words of C. Bergstrom may have been poorly chosen, but he seems to have the same goal of wanting Wicket to succeed and grow in popularity. Providing harsh responses to users that, despite poor communication, are otherwise excited about your project does not help to grow your community or get others involved. This is not the first time I've been surprised by the harshness of responses from Wicket core committers. I hope these don't have the effect of pushing developers away. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Jeroen Steenbeeke j.steenbeeke.ml@ gmail.com wrote: Once again it seems a lame excuse to say you're too busy or the various other things when this could both give the project good pr and possibly add more people who contribute to the framework. I've found that the best way to convince people does not involve insulting the person you're trying to convince. There is merit to your argument of good PR and possible new contributors, but let's not forget that the people working on Wicket do so in their spare time - and you know that there are a lot of things in life that require time. It is fully understandable that what little time the developers have to spend on Wicket, they'd rather use that time to improve the framework and fix bugs. Mentoring a SoC student takes a considerable amount of time and concentration, and while some students may blossom on their own, a lot of them need guidance on a regular basis - this requires a massive investment of spare time that could otherwise have been used for improving Wicket. A mentor that is only half interested will not be an advantage to the student, and be bad PR rather than good - you need mentors that are willing, good, know the framework well and have loads of time - the last of which does not apply to a lot of Wicket Devs. Calling it lame doesn't change anything about it, but it does agitate the developers, which doesn't exactly help your cause. - Jeroen -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.3.5 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
btw.. are any of the core devs interested or willing to mentor? Once again it seems a lame excuse to say you're too busy or the various other things when this could both give the project good pr and possibly add more people who contribute to the framework. ./C - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
It seems like a lame proposition to coerce us to do your bidding just because you think it is a good idea. You're not the one to tell us how to spend our personal time, or whether the choices we make on how to spend our own time is lame or not. There's a Wicket Stuff project where anyone can commit, it is dead simple to setup a public github account, or create a google code project for any GSoC student and their mentor. There's no reason why *YOU* can't mentor a student on any project *YOU* think is a valid asset, and spend *YOUR* time on it. Martijn On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:00 PM, C. Bergström cbergst...@netsyncro.com wrote: btw.. are any of the core devs interested or willing to mentor? Once again it seems a lame excuse to say you're too busy or the various other things when this could both give the project good pr and possibly add more people who contribute to the framework. ./C - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.3.5 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
Martijn Dashorst wrote: Martijn Thanks Martijn.. You've shown me what a good catalyst and community leader you finally are.. It's not about my bidding.. I push for gsoc.. my points are valid.. others have brought up other good points.. and yet when I push in general you make it personal. :) What's more is if you were to even spend a short while and read or understand the gsoc process you'd realize it's not something where you just fork and try to get it sponsored.. http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/notes-on-organization-selection-criteria I'd happily have mentored, but wasn't sure how the core devs felt about that.. (guess my question is answered) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
Once again it seems a lame excuse to say you're too busy or the various other things when this could both give the project good pr and possibly add more people who contribute to the framework. I've found that the best way to convince people does not involve insulting the person you're trying to convince. There is merit to your argument of good PR and possible new contributors, but let's not forget that the people working on Wicket do so in their spare time - and you know that there are a lot of things in life that require time. It is fully understandable that what little time the developers have to spend on Wicket, they'd rather use that time to improve the framework and fix bugs. Mentoring a SoC student takes a considerable amount of time and concentration, and while some students may blossom on their own, a lot of them need guidance on a regular basis - this requires a massive investment of spare time that could otherwise have been used for improving Wicket. A mentor that is only half interested will not be an advantage to the student, and be bad PR rather than good - you need mentors that are willing, good, know the framework well and have loads of time - the last of which does not apply to a lot of Wicket Devs. Calling it lame doesn't change anything about it, but it does agitate the developers, which doesn't exactly help your cause. - Jeroen
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I did some reading and found that a mentoring organization for the GSoC is considered A group running an active free/open source software project. That seems to imply a core committer would need to be involved. See: http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_org_is_47611255748869674_1 The idea of Wicket participating in GSoC interests me. I work at Georgia Tech Research Institute, which is a professional research arm of Georgia Institute of Technology (Georgia Tech). We are located on the edge of the Georgia Tech campus in Atlanta, Georgia. We have about 10 co-op students from Georgia Tech working for us each semester. We use all open source software. We have just started using Wicket, Spring, and Brix (CMS based on Wicket and Jackrabbit) on a new project that I'm driving. I have two co-op students helping me out right now. We have existing web applications that use JEE, Struts, YUI, and Ext JS, which we deploy to Tomcat on Red Hat Linux. We plan to migrate those existing applications to Wicket over the next couple of years. Also, we are hiring: http://jobview.monster.com/getjob.aspx?JobID=78669508 Considering our position, I'm wondering if we could be involved in this somehow. Especially if it benefited us, it might be an easy sell to get some of our engineers/scientists involved. -Richard On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like a lame proposition to coerce us to do your bidding just because you think it is a good idea. You're not the one to tell us how to spend our personal time, or whether the choices we make on how to spend our own time is lame or not. There's a Wicket Stuff project where anyone can commit, it is dead simple to setup a public github account, or create a google code project for any GSoC student and their mentor. There's no reason why *YOU* can't mentor a student on any project *YOU* think is a valid asset, and spend *YOUR* time on it. Martijn On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:00 PM, C. Bergström cbergst...@netsyncro.com wrote: btw.. are any of the core devs interested or willing to mentor? Once again it seems a lame excuse to say you're too busy or the various other things when this could both give the project good pr and possibly add more people who contribute to the framework. ./C - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.3.5 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
The words of C. Bergstrom may have been poorly chosen, but he seems to have the same goal of wanting Wicket to succeed and grow in popularity. Providing harsh responses to users that, despite poor communication, are otherwise excited about your project does not help to grow your community or get others involved. This is not the first time I've been surprised by the harshness of responses from Wicket core committers. I hope these don't have the effect of pushing developers away. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Jeroen Steenbeeke j.steenbeeke.ml@ gmail.com wrote: Once again it seems a lame excuse to say you're too busy or the various other things when this could both give the project good pr and possibly add more people who contribute to the framework. I've found that the best way to convince people does not involve insulting the person you're trying to convince. There is merit to your argument of good PR and possible new contributors, but let's not forget that the people working on Wicket do so in their spare time - and you know that there are a lot of things in life that require time. It is fully understandable that what little time the developers have to spend on Wicket, they'd rather use that time to improve the framework and fix bugs. Mentoring a SoC student takes a considerable amount of time and concentration, and while some students may blossom on their own, a lot of them need guidance on a regular basis - this requires a massive investment of spare time that could otherwise have been used for improving Wicket. A mentor that is only half interested will not be an advantage to the student, and be bad PR rather than good - you need mentors that are willing, good, know the framework well and have loads of time - the last of which does not apply to a lot of Wicket Devs. Calling it lame doesn't change anything about it, but it does agitate the developers, which doesn't exactly help your cause. - Jeroen
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
While I am perfectly capable of working on Wicket in my spare time without being rewarded, I find it way out of line to characterize the way I spend my own time as lame when such that doesn't fit the criteria of anyone. Being characterized as lame because we are engaged in other things, such as family, preparing Wicket presentations, building releases, fixing bugs, reading books, playing games, earning money, eating, sleeping, feeding our children, is utterly uncalled for (though sleeping might be considered lame). Christopher is very capable of writing English prose, so I take that at face value. It's not that someone with a poor knowledge of English wrote this. Armchair volunteerism is very easy to do: it doesn't cost any time, and you don't commit yourself to anything. If anyone wants to pursue GSoC, they're very welcome to call themselves Vice President of Wicket Stuff and enlist as Mentor etc. If any of the other core committers thinks a GSoC is ok, I'm fine with that too. However, given that we're struggling to get all the bugs fixed in 1.3.6 and 1.4, I find it hard to believe that anyone will have the time and energy to do the mentoring as well. I don't have that time and energy. Martijn On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Richard Allen richard.l.al...@gmail.com wrote: The words of C. Bergstrom may have been poorly chosen, but he seems to have the same goal of wanting Wicket to succeed and grow in popularity. Providing harsh responses to users that, despite poor communication, are otherwise excited about your project does not help to grow your community or get others involved. This is not the first time I've been surprised by the harshness of responses from Wicket core committers. I hope these don't have the effect of pushing developers away. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Jeroen Steenbeeke j.steenbeeke.ml@ gmail.com wrote: Once again it seems a lame excuse to say you're too busy or the various other things when this could both give the project good pr and possibly add more people who contribute to the framework. I've found that the best way to convince people does not involve insulting the person you're trying to convince. There is merit to your argument of good PR and possible new contributors, but let's not forget that the people working on Wicket do so in their spare time - and you know that there are a lot of things in life that require time. It is fully understandable that what little time the developers have to spend on Wicket, they'd rather use that time to improve the framework and fix bugs. Mentoring a SoC student takes a considerable amount of time and concentration, and while some students may blossom on their own, a lot of them need guidance on a regular basis - this requires a massive investment of spare time that could otherwise have been used for improving Wicket. A mentor that is only half interested will not be an advantage to the student, and be bad PR rather than good - you need mentors that are willing, good, know the framework well and have loads of time - the last of which does not apply to a lot of Wicket Devs. Calling it lame doesn't change anything about it, but it does agitate the developers, which doesn't exactly help your cause. - Jeroen -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.3.5 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
I'll be happy to mentor, what does it require?. I do have a life besides Wicket/Wicketstuff as Martijn has :) regards Nino 2009/2/26 Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com While I am perfectly capable of working on Wicket in my spare time without being rewarded, I find it way out of line to characterize the way I spend my own time as lame when such that doesn't fit the criteria of anyone. Being characterized as lame because we are engaged in other things, such as family, preparing Wicket presentations, building releases, fixing bugs, reading books, playing games, earning money, eating, sleeping, feeding our children, is utterly uncalled for (though sleeping might be considered lame). Christopher is very capable of writing English prose, so I take that at face value. It's not that someone with a poor knowledge of English wrote this. Armchair volunteerism is very easy to do: it doesn't cost any time, and you don't commit yourself to anything. If anyone wants to pursue GSoC, they're very welcome to call themselves Vice President of Wicket Stuff and enlist as Mentor etc. If any of the other core committers thinks a GSoC is ok, I'm fine with that too. However, given that we're struggling to get all the bugs fixed in 1.3.6 and 1.4, I find it hard to believe that anyone will have the time and energy to do the mentoring as well. I don't have that time and energy. Martijn On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Richard Allen richard.l.al...@gmail.com wrote: The words of C. Bergstrom may have been poorly chosen, but he seems to have the same goal of wanting Wicket to succeed and grow in popularity. Providing harsh responses to users that, despite poor communication, are otherwise excited about your project does not help to grow your community or get others involved. This is not the first time I've been surprised by the harshness of responses from Wicket core committers. I hope these don't have the effect of pushing developers away. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Jeroen Steenbeeke j.steenbeeke.ml@ gmail.com wrote: Once again it seems a lame excuse to say you're too busy or the various other things when this could both give the project good pr and possibly add more people who contribute to the framework. I've found that the best way to convince people does not involve insulting the person you're trying to convince. There is merit to your argument of good PR and possible new contributors, but let's not forget that the people working on Wicket do so in their spare time - and you know that there are a lot of things in life that require time. It is fully understandable that what little time the developers have to spend on Wicket, they'd rather use that time to improve the framework and fix bugs. Mentoring a SoC student takes a considerable amount of time and concentration, and while some students may blossom on their own, a lot of them need guidance on a regular basis - this requires a massive investment of spare time that could otherwise have been used for improving Wicket. A mentor that is only half interested will not be an advantage to the student, and be bad PR rather than good - you need mentors that are willing, good, know the framework well and have loads of time - the last of which does not apply to a lot of Wicket Devs. Calling it lame doesn't change anything about it, but it does agitate the developers, which doesn't exactly help your cause. - Jeroen -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.3.5 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
GSoC ideas for 09
Hi Everyone! A year ago I bugged dashorst about why Wicket didn't participate in the 08 GSoC.. This year I've been brainstorming on ideas and want to see what others think could be useful projects for Wicket. Thanks ./Christopher - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:26 AM, C. Bergström cbergst...@netsyncro.comwrote: Hi Everyone! A year ago I bugged dashorst about why Wicket didn't participate in the 08 GSoC.. This year I've been brainstorming on ideas and want to see what others think could be useful projects for Wicket. A few ideas: - proper comet support - a comprehensive admin / debug console (jmx, view session size, page maps, html validator etc) - portlet support (JSR 286) - tool to migrate JSF apps to Wicket (heh heh) - better IDE plugin [Peter] Thanks ./Christopher - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
Peter Thomas wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:26 AM, C. Bergström cbergst...@netsyncro.comwrote: Hi Everyone! A year ago I bugged dashorst about why Wicket didn't participate in the 08 GSoC.. This year I've been brainstorming on ideas and want to see what others think could be useful projects for Wicket. A few ideas: - proper comet support - a comprehensive admin / debug console (jmx, view session size, page maps, html validator etc) - portlet support (JSR 286) - tool to migrate JSF apps to Wicket (heh heh) - better IDE plugin Good ideas Peter Dare I stir up trouble and add - client cypher session state.. (Would be great for load balancing and numerous other things.. yes I know this would be tough) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
286 Portlet support has already been finished. Cheers, Tony. On 25/02/2009, at 2:20 PM, C. Bergström wrote: Peter Thomas wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:26 AM, C. Bergström cbergst...@netsyncro.com wrote: Hi Everyone! A year ago I bugged dashorst about why Wicket didn't participate in the 08 GSoC.. This year I've been brainstorming on ideas and want to see what others think could be useful projects for Wicket. A few ideas: - proper comet support - a comprehensive admin / debug console (jmx, view session size, page maps, html validator etc) - portlet support (JSR 286) - tool to migrate JSF apps to Wicket (heh heh) - better IDE plugin Good ideas Peter Dare I stir up trouble and add - client cypher session state.. (Would be great for load balancing and numerous other things.. yes I know this would be tough) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
You've got 86 unresolved enhancements and 32 feature requests on issues.apache.org. The leaders might want to umbrella a couple of related ones and have them coded on GSoC. Also, there might be a couple of orphaned projects on wicketstuff and elsewhere that could get into the main distribution. wicket-auth-roles appears lower quality than the rest of wicket. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:26 AM, C. Bergström cbergst...@netsyncro.com wrote: Hi Everyone! A year ago I bugged dashorst about why Wicket didn't participate in the 08 GSoC.. This year I've been brainstorming on ideas and want to see what others think could be useful projects for Wicket. Thanks ./Christopher - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- Marcelo Morales - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
Better tree component maybe? quot;C. Bergströmquot; wrote: Hi Everyone! A year ago I bugged dashorst about why Wicket didn't participate in the 08 GSoC.. This year I've been brainstorming on ideas and want to see what others think could be useful projects for Wicket. Thanks ./Christopher - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/GSoC-ideas-for-09-tp22198339p22204797.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:53 AM, Antony Stubbs antony.stu...@gmail.comwrote: 286 Portlet support has already been finished. Cheers, Tony. Great! I had no idea, can you provide a link to read up about it, even a JIRA would be fine. On 25/02/2009, at 2:20 PM, C. Bergström wrote: Peter Thomas wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:26 AM, C. Bergström cbergst...@netsyncro.comwrote: Hi Everyone! A year ago I bugged dashorst about why Wicket didn't participate in the 08 GSoC.. This year I've been brainstorming on ideas and want to see what others think could be useful projects for Wicket. A few ideas: - proper comet support - a comprehensive admin / debug console (jmx, view session size, page maps, html validator etc) - portlet support (JSR 286) - tool to migrate JSF apps to Wicket (heh heh) - better IDE plugin Good ideas Peter Dare I stir up trouble and add - client cypher session state.. (Would be great for load balancing and numerous other things.. yes I know this would be tough) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: GSoC ideas for 09
- tool to migrate JSF apps to Wicket (heh heh)
+1 for that. this would be the killer argument to finally start
transitioning to wicket.
it does not need to be a 100% converter of all jsf+backing beans - a
two-way method for sharing panels/components would enable better
transition to wicket.
just a quick half-baked idea how this may look:
using wicket in jsf
w:panel clazz=com.example.SomeWebPage
pageParameters=#{BackingBean.pageParams}
xPath=/html/body/div[2]/div[2]/
and the other way round from jsf into wicket:
XPathExpression xPath = xpath.compile(/html/body/div[2]/div[2]);
add(new JsfPanel(jsfPanel,WEB-INF/somepage.jsp, xPath));
of course this means the whole page is rendered although only a part of
the markup is needed. would be sufficient for my usecase.
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