Re: [xwiki-users] XWiki feedback
Hi Vincent, Thanks and apologies -- I hadn't ignored your email response, I was just swamped with work (release time). I was only vaguely aware of XOffice but didn't have time to explore it, but it looks like it may have been what we needed (at least partially). What the users didn't like overall was having to relearn text formatting tools, when everyone is familiar with Word. eg. making headers, tables of content, and especially making tables. They found table editing particularly frustrating. Even simple things like keyboard shortcuts for bold, italics, etc. didn't always work (though that was because the browser would trap them). I regret not having the time to feedback all of this while it was going on; most of my wiki support work was done on spare (unbillable) time, and I had little of that of late. Unfortunately, we're a small team, so time to support the system and train users was effectively nil. I know that's not a good state to be in, but when there's limited time and we have to decide between writing code or learning how to use a wiki, writing code always wins out. I had used XWiki for myself, starting with things like note taking, procedure documentation, and doing some technical specification templates and using them to spec. out some projects. I thought it was a perfect way to collaborate, not only between developers but also with the client. But anytime there's even a perceived learning curve for a new tool, there's going to be resistance. I know that's a fact of everyday work, but it's especially so with a small bill-by-the-hour team. As for ideas for integrating with user's favorite editors, I haven't really had time to think thoroughly about that. I don't know if it's something like XWord, or if it's just a matter of duplicating (to the extent possible) the Word interface within the XWiki GUI editor. I've used HTML editors before, so perhaps that helped me in putting up with it's general peculiarities. I've found, for example, making bulleted lists exactly the way you want is not trivial with HTML editors (as opposed to with Word). I think something like XOffice would go a long way to capturing the Word-oriented users, as long as it's unobtrusive and instinctive to use. I think efficiency of creating content is key more than the formatting frills available -- otherwise users will quickly become frustrated and give up prematurely. I know that once over the learning curve (as with any tool) it's a very rich environment for collaboration -- so the trick is to minimize that learning curve by starting out with something familiar. I don't know if that's helped any, or if I'm just rambling at this point. Thanks again for your attention. Trevor On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 16:49:06 +0200 Vincent Massol wrote: Hi Trevor, Thanks for your kind words and the piece of feedback which is very useful :) I'm glad you liked the product. You may know that we had started XOffice (http://xoffice.xwiki.org/) a few years ago. IMO it was a very good effort to bring xwiki into the hands of MS Word users. Unfortunately our main committer on this is no longer active ATM… Before you go if you have ideas for integrating with user's favorite editors that would be great. Do you mean something like XOffice or do you mean something else? Take care, -Vincent ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[xwiki-users] XWiki feedback
We chose XWiki back in 2009 as our wiki solution and we had successfully set up a complete farm of 4 wikis. I have been following the progress of XWiki since then, but unfortunately it was never utilized by our team, mostly because the users did not want to invest the time in learning a new WYSIWYG editor. In the end I was the only one who used it so the time has finally come to shut it down and look at an alternative solution -- perhaps a simple document manager. I saw a lot of potential in XWiki for our purposes, but didn't quite have the time to sell it to the others. Before I remove myself from the mailing list, I just wanted to put forward one comment as feedback: don't discount the learning curve that confronts users new to the wiki. Many of them are proficient in their ways of editing documents (which usually means MS Word) and don't have the time to invest learning new document formatting tools. If you want to capture a larger share of the market, look at ways of integrating with users' favourite editors; I think that would go a long way. You have a very impressive product, and I've been amazed at the level of commitment and professionalism that has gone into this wiki. Thanks for everybody's efforts and best of luck going forward. Trevor ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] XWiki Logo Challenge, Round 2
I don't particularly like the recent alternative suggestions, the w is either getting unwieldy or too wide, losing its original impact, and I'd drop my +1 for it in those cases. To add my hack, what if: a) the X was made bigger and put behind the Wiki part b) the w was a full W (straighter, not spread out) c) the k was a full k (add the vertical line) ... then it might be more readable while still retaining a logo quality? I didn't vote for 4 because I agree with some others: a) the pencils do imply drawing more than collaborative writing; b) it seems to be lacking that professional logo quality. But maybe we're forcing something that shouldn't be forced. Could it be that *none* of the proposed logos fit what you're after, and we're just choosing from the best options presented? Trevor On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:58:54 +0300 Raluca Stavro wrote: Hi all, How about this alternative: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Community/LogoChallengeRound2/16-variation.png. I think that the W is readable now. Raluca. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] XWiki Logo Challenge, Round 2
+1 16B. Although I found the powered by buttons for *most* submissions (including 16) to be almost unreadable. Trevor On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:02:34 +0200 Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: Hello XWiki Community, We're still looking for the new XWiki.org logo. First of all, many ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] XWiki Logo Challenge
+0.2 7 - good concept, but would suggest colour changes (it's a little unexciting compared to the others) +0.1 8 - I like it visually, but am trying to see the relevance of the gears +0.1 20 is intriguing, but the shorthand versions are a little cryptic +0.6 12D or E- lively, fun, and linked to the old one To those who contributed: very nice work! Trevor ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Event Calendar
Here are the notes I had made while installing the EventCalendar under XEM 1.7 (XE 1.9). I had intended to update the docs on xwiki.org but haven't. Let me know if it helps or not. Trevor download xwiki-plugin-calendar-1.0.jar and xwiki-application-calendar-1.0.xar move the .jar to $CATALINA_HOME/webapps/ROOT/WEB-INF/lib edit xwiki.cfg, add to xwiki.plugins: com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.calendar.CalendarPlugin restart Tomcat login as an Administrator, import the .xar (all 3 classes) go to http://url/xwiki/bin/view/Main/EventCalendar On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:41:47 -0800 (PST) Faubi wrote: Hello everybody, instad of displaying the event calendar only the following code is displayed: $cparams.put(categories, $rqcategories) $cview.getHTMLCalendar($cparams, ) I was surprised as I googled the code, most of the calendar pages didn't work properly. Is it a general problem, because as I used the calendar within the standalone version it was working fine! That's why I'm sure I did everything right... I appreciate any help! Thank you yery much! Cheers, Fabian ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Event Calendar
I'm not familiar using .war files so I had expanded it into webapps/ROOT. I'm guessing you either have to expand the .war before making the changes, or somehow make the changes within the .war. I should point out that when I said move the .jar to $CATALINA_HOME/webapps/ROOT/WEB-INF/lib that's because I have made XWiki the root Tomcat application (webapps/ROOT). If you had followed the default install instructions, this would likely be webapps/xwiki (once you've expanded the .war). Trevor On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:30:49 -0800 (PST) Faubi wrote: Thanks both of you for the quick responses , but I did everything you said. I think it might be the restarting of tomcat. I host my XWiki. Do I need to make changes (config.cfg + *.jar) in the xwiki.war, too? Cheers again! ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] error 500:javax.servlet.ServletException: Error number 3 in 0: Could not initialize main XWiki context
Hi, I had this error when I had set up the connector properties incorrectly (they didn't match the database). It looks from your .xml that you have two connectors uncommented: the default database and Oracle. You should only have *one* uncommented. When you created your database, what did you name it? What username/password did you set up? Make sure these values in hibernate.cfg.xml match your database: (default) property name=connection.urljdbc:hsqldb:file:database/xwiki_db;shutdown=true/property property name=connection.usernamesa/property property name=connection.password/property _or_ (Oracle) property name=connection.urljdbc:oracle:thin:@localhost:1521:XE/property property name=connection.usernamexwiki/property property name=connection.passwordxwiki/property Trevor ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Adding buttons to WYSIWYG toolbar
Hi Marius, I had even looked at macros.vm in 2.0 to see if it was any different than 1.9, but I had 2.0M3 installed in our test environment, not RC1. I restarted the server and it worked. Thanks for the reply and the clarifications, I do appreciate it. Trevor On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:39:18 +0200 Marius Dumitru Florea wrote: ... Indeed. These two lines were changed in 2.0RC1 due to http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-4221 but the guide still applies. ... Otherwise you have to restart (reload) the server (web container, servlet container, application server) because velocity templates like macros.vm are cached at application startup. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[xwiki-users] Adding buttons to WYSIWYG toolbar
Hello, I've tried to add toolbar buttons for fonts and colours to the Syntax 2.0 WYSIWYG toolbar in XWiki 1.9.3 by following the online guide at: http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/WysiwygEditor . First, in macros.vm (or anywhere else) I didn't find any lines that looked like these: plugins: '$xwiki.getXWikiPreference(wysiwyg.plugins, submit line separator text list indent history format symbol link image table macro importer#if($full $request.sync) sync#end)', toolbar: '$xwiki.getXWikiPreference(wysiwyg.toolbar, bold italic underline strikethrough | subscript superscript | unorderedlist orderedlist | outdent indent | undo redo | hr symbol)', they looked like this: plugins: 'submit line separator text valign list indent history format symbol link image table macro importer#if($full $request.sync) sync#end', toolbar: 'bold italic underline strikethrough | subscript superscript | unorderedlist orderedlist | outdent indent | undo redo | format | hr symbol | link unlink | importer', I changed the two lines to this: plugins: 'submit line separator text font color valign list indent history format symbol link image table macro importer#if($full $request.sync) sync#end', toolbar: 'bold italic underline strikethrough | subscript superscript | unorderedlist orderedlist | outdent indent | undo redo | format fontname fontsize forecolor backcolor | hr symbol | link unlink | importer', According to the documentation: You can reload your web container. and You don't have to restart the server.. By reloading the web container do you mean refreshing the browser page? Or exiting and re-entering the WYSIWYG editor? I have not tried restarting the server but the buttons are not showing up. Thanks, Trevor ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Help installing XEM 2.0
I don't know if this will help, but I got that error when in hibernate.cfg.xml, the part after /localhost/ in the line: property name=connection.urljdbc:mysql://localhost/xwiki? ... did not match the table name in MySQL (I had changed it from the default xwiki). Also make sure property name=connection.usernamexwiki/property property name=connection.passwordxwiki/property match what's in MySQL. Trevor On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:53:26 -0700 Samuel Lee wrote: I'm trying to install XEM 2.0 using MySQL. I've installed XEM, extracted the appropriate WAR and uncommented the portion of the hibernate.cfg.xml file for mysql. Here's the error I get when I try to go the home page: HTTP ERROR 500 Problem accessing /xwiki/bin/view/Main/. Reason: Error number 3 in 0: Could not initialize main XWiki context ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Disable password change
Rune, Thanks for the idea, yes that would work too! With that thought, I have found passwd.vm and it looks like I can just put the validation in there. I take it .vm files are Velocity macros, with a little javascript thrown in? Not that I know either, but it doesn't look too difficult. Thanks again for the pointer, Trevor On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:12:35 +0200 Rune Hylleberg wrote: Wouldn't it be better to set up some password testing instead. Eg. If password doesn't contain a capital letter and a small letter and a number then refuse change. It's properly the same amount of work, and it allows your users to change the password regularly (you might even force that). ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Disable password change
OK, thanks again for the inspiration Rune. I found a decent open-source password validation script in javascript. I'll stitch it in and see how it works... Trevor ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[xwiki-users] Disable password change
We'd like to disable the ability for a user to change their password (to prevent easy passwords from being used). I could just edit XWikiUserSheet and take out the change password link, but a user could easily find out that changing the password could be done by typing in the appropriate URL. Is there a better way to disable the change password page? Thanks, Trevor ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[xwiki-users] Parent/child pages
I've been looking through the XWiki documentation and have been wondering about setting a parent when creating a new page. I can only see two effects: 1) visually, in the page descriptor (eg. in space Projects: Projects: Project Template Project1 (with a parent) vs Projects: Project1 (without a parent). 2) in the document index tree view where pages are shown in their parent/child hierarchy Other than that, is there any purpose to setting a parent? Thanks, Trevor ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] [Vote] Default Color Theme
Is voting for things like this open to anyone on the mailing list? +1 (B) +1 (4) ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[xwiki-users] Updating xwiki.org
I know it's the whole concept behind a wiki, but is the content of xwiki.org open to anyone for modification? For example, I figured out how to install the Calendar Plugin and Event Calendar Application and thought I could add the installation steps to http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Plugins/CalendarPlugin since it's not documented. Or is content like that only added through specific people? Trevor ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[xwiki-users] Section editing
Am I missing something? For some reason I can't get section edit to work in XEM 1.9.3. It works on the default main page, and then I noticed it's in XWiki 1.0 Syntax. If I convert it to XWiki 2.0 syntax, the section editing disappears. If I create a new page using Header 1 sections, the resulting page does not have section edit icons when viewed. I do have xwiki.section.edit=1 in xwiki.cfg and do have edit rights (I tried under admin and non-admin accounts). Trevor ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Section editing
Thanks for the quick reply Vincent! I thought I configured something wrong. I guess we'll just have to wait patiently for XEM 2 or use syntax 1.0. Trevor On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:43:32 +0200 Vincent Massol wrote: Section editing for XWiki Syntax 2.0 has been implemented in XE 2.0M2. See http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-2881 ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Section editing
Or you could start using XE 2.0M4 now and provide feedback to us at the same time in case you find any blocking issue so that we can fix it for the final version which is approaching very quickly now. Actually, we're running both XEM 1.7.3 and separtely XE 2.0M4. I've been trying things out in both, but we deployed XEM 1.7.3 for client use because I thought it was the stable version of XEM. I know you can convert XE into a farm, but speed was of the essence and installing XEM was more convenient. Trevor ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[xwiki-users] Bug: logging out doesn't clear session?
Using XEM 1.9.3 or XE 2.0 M2. If I logout and login again without closing the browser, the session resumes to the last page I was browsing. I don't know if that's a feature (resuming your session) or a bug (not restarting at the dashboard). But this also happens if I login as a different user using the same browser: it resumes the previous users' session. And if that previous user had admin rights, when a user with no admin rights logs in it goes to the last page that the admin was browsing. If that page requires admin rights, it says You are not allowed to view this document or perform this action. Of course, it won't be often that one browser will be used for different login IDs, but it should not resume the session of another user when you log in. Trevor ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Bug: logging out doesn't clear session?
Sergiu, Thanks for explaining this so well for me, it makes sense now how it does work. I had been thinking in the way of traditional log in/work/log out workflow that has a specific login or starting page, as opposed to a wiki model where you could login from any page. Thanks again for your timely responses. Trevor On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:34:21 +0300 Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: This is not about the session, but a feature of our login form. When trying to view a page that requires authentication, the login form is displayed, with a hidden input that identifies the page you tried to view. This is plain HTML, no session magic. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
