Re: [Veritas-bu] HP Data Protector vs Veritas Net Backup

[Wayne T Smith]

The only OST difference that I recall is that with OST you don' need the
mount.
​  As I didn't have multiple media servers, I cannot attest to the effect
of that.​


Cheers, Wayne

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lightner, Jeff 
wrote
​, in part​
:

> Thanks for that info.
>
> Just to clarify though.  If your master is also a media server (as it
> usually is) you don't have to have a separate media server to talk to the
> non-NBU appliances.
>
> In our environment we have the master/media and multiple other media
> servers that all use storage units defined using NFS mounts to the various
> appliances we've used (DD, DXi and ExaGrid).  That is to say we can access
> each appliance from all media servers rather than requiring a separate
> media server for each.
>
> We don't use OST here because of the additional NBU license required so it
> may be different in an OST setup.
> ​...​
>
>
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Re: [Veritas-bu] older version issue.... netbackup 6.5.6

[Wayne T Smith]

Congrats on testing!  As you found, it is important to also get the archive
redo logs post-backup.

Cheers, Wayne
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Re: [Veritas-bu] What's LiveUpdate like these days?

[Wayne T Smith]

I'd retire.



Cheers, Wayne

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:18 AM, Dean dean.de...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello folks,

 I've never used LiveUpdate, partly because I've never had to do a mass
 update of many hosts, and partly because of some negative comments about it
 on this mailing list.

 But my current engagement is to update 800+ clients to NBU 7.6.1. All of
 the clients that are in scope for me are already at NBU 7.x, which I
 believe means they will already have the LiveUpdate agent component
 installed as part of the base client.

 The master and media servers will have been previously updated by someone
 else before I start the client upgrades.

 The clients are your standard mix of Windows, Linux and Solaris hosts.

 So is it really as simple as the documentation makes it out to be? Or is
 it still a pain to get working properly, as a few posts to this list
 mentioned a few years ago.

 Put another way, if you had 800+ clients to upgrade, would you use
 LiveUpdate, push it out from the master/media servers, or do local
 installs??

 Also, the NBU install guide says clients may need to be rebooted. How
 does LiveUpdate handle this? Is it going to automatically reboot clients if
 it deems it is necessary?

 Thanks for any input!

 Dean

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows Backups....

[Wayne T Smith]

There's at least one knowledge-base article on how to do that, but I don't
have its number handy.  :-(

My too-old NetBackup experience (i.e., I expect there to be better/newer
info now), is that if you are restoring to the same hardware ...

   - install Windows, networking and NetBackup to a separate partition.
   - restore your Windows partition stuff.
   - switch back to booting the newly restored partition.
   - restore other partitions.

I'm sure this is too simplified, but at least it gives you the clue that
you cannot restore to an active Windows boot partition nor to the active
registry.   Restoring to different hardware also gets dicey quickly.  There
are probably caveats if this is/was a domain controller.

I always tell people coming to me for their Windows backup:  have the data
you need backed up on a separate partition and be prepared to reinstall and
reconfigure when you have a failure of your Windows partition.

... sort of like when your mother's machine fails and you get to buy a new
machine, reinstall/configure apps, and restore data from Carbonite (or
whatever).

Cheers, Wayne (NOT a Windows expert)
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Re: [Veritas-bu] question about online agent jobs

[Wayne T Smith]

I don't know SAP, so I apologize for answering w/o direct knowledge.
However, in my experience with Oracle databases, I find that backup jobs
can have an extreme impact on the other work of a database ... as in 10-100
times slowdown of other work in some of the databases I work with.  On the
other hand, some databases hardly notice.

While my databases have a separate I/O path to their disk storage, the
backups go over the public network (whether public or private, that is on
its other network).

While users directly connecting see a slowdown, that's no longer a common
model ... there is middleware for most of our applications and the
middleware sometimes tends to be chatty ... wanting very good response to
many small requests.  It's like having a conversion with a person that
never stops talking ... there's rarely time for you to say what you want to
inject into the conversation!

So if your backup traffic isn't over an independent path to independent
storage, it's going to have impact on customer response time.  There are
other impacts, but this one is pretty much database independent.

Cheers, Wayne

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Simon Weaver simon.wea...@iscl.netwrote:

  All

 Anyone familiar with NBU  SAP ?

 Got a question….. We do a lot of SQL Online backups during the day or late
 afternoon with no issues.



 We have SAP Systems that do not run during the day, and if they overrun,
 get cancelled at the DB owner request.

 Question: What issues are there from letting SAP online jobs run during
 the day? Do they have to be set to run just at night?

 S.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] RMAN Recovery issue and Netbackup 7.1.0.2

[Wayne T Smith]

It's been several years since I've had tape, but it sounds to me like the
DBA has done everything correctly for 6 channels.   The problem, if you can
call it a problem, is that the backup server (media server) has only or is
allowed only 3 tape drives for the restore.   On the other hand, perhaps
the files being requested on the 6 channels are stored on only 3 tapes.
You can ask for 6 at a time, but each tape can only be in one place at any
point in time.

There's nothing special about RMAN ... it's just a program that backs up
the various parts of a database, keeps track of the backups, and when it
comes time to recover a database, or a portion of it, requests the images
from the backup system.

IMHO, the DBA was totally wrong to be screaming, but is probably right that
this is a NetBackup issue (if he thinks the performance of 6 active streams
will significantly outperform 3 active streams -- it might).

Guaranteeing that 6 backups streams will be written to 6 separate tapes
could be a daunting task.   I avoided this for restores of recently
backups, when I had tape, by having backups go to a disk pool and then
later to go tape.

Cheers, Wayne

On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Dennis Peacock nbu-fo...@backupcentral.com
 wrote
, in part
:

 OK...please help me out here if you can.

 Client RMAN backup ran on client server corvette via master server
 stingray.
 Tapes were removed and shipped to another location for RMAN recovery.
 Backup was done via allocating 6 channels.
 Recovery is only using 3 channels. Why?
 All boxes are Netbackup 7.1x and Linux RedHat.
 DBA is screaming that it's a Netbackup issueand I can't figure out why
 this is a Netbackup issue.

 Can you help me understand more about RMAN backup/recovery and
 Netbackup??? Please

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Re: [Veritas-bu] 100% disk to disk

[Wayne T Smith]

4 years. no tape.  like.

Cheers, Wayne

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Dwayne Adams dc_adam...@hotmail.com wrote
, in part
:

 Hello,

 Who is really doing all disk backups for all their data sets today?  I
 keep hearing about the demise of tapes.  This email is a survey to see if
 shops are really doing this.  I have yet to see it in any of my contact
 positions.


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Re: [Veritas-bu] 100% disk to disk

[Wayne T Smith]

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Lepley, Michael michael.lep...@cbn.orgwrote
, in part
:

  Those doing no tape what is your longest retention time?


We backup, but don't archive, with our backup systems.  Nearly all

of our backups are retained for 3 months.   Due to an event, a particular
backup may be retained for a long time.

Of course, as you keep backups longer, then the number of times you backup
the client data probably increases and the cost of each individual backup
declines (due to better dedup).

Cheers, Wayne
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Re: [Veritas-bu] VMWARE client selection on cbt/non-cbt ?

[Wayne T Smith]

Well, if you can do SQL to the database, then look at view
v$block_change_tracking ... for example, select * from
v$block_change_tracking;

On the other hand, I have no idea what block change tracking has to do
with snapshots.

Cheers, Wayne

On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Michael Graff Andersen mia...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello

 Wondered if somebody had found a way to differentiate between VMs with
 change blocking enabled and VMs without change block tracking enabled

 We have some VMs where we cannot enable change block tracking because they
 have snapshots on them

 Regards

 Michael

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Re: [Veritas-bu] De-multiplexing

[Wayne T Smith]

To run a little further with what Rusty wrote, it appears that *any* tape
you have used might contain data from the customers of interest.  Backup
images have probably been expiring for years.

So if you are required to obliterate their data, not just expire it, you'll
need to move everyone's current data elsewhere and then obliterate/destroy
all of the tapes.  As Rusty discussed, elsewhere may vary on what you
want to do going forward.  I suppose similar schemes could be devised for
other media types.

Cheers, Wayne

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:40 AM, John Collins
jhn.coll...@yahoo.comwrote, in part:

 For the past 10 years we have been running 5 backup policies in a hosting
 environment.  We host data for about 100 different clients.  We have 5 main
 policies: Exchange, File Shares, Databases, VMWare, and Windows.  We use
 multiplexing and multistreaming, so that we have a situation where we have
 accumulated thousands of backup tapes with the data of various customers
 multiplexed, or co-mingled together.

 Some of our customers would like us to dispose of their data--and others
 want us to keep it.

 Does anyone have any ideas about how to go about resolving this dilemma?
 Can we de-multiplex the data somehow?  Any help or ideas is greatly
 appreciated.  The verion of Netbackup has ranged from 4 to 6.5.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Web Page for Backup Cancellations

[Wayne T Smith]

NetBackup has command-line interfaces that a script might use to build the
web pages you want.

However, it sounds easier and more productive to fix the broken backup
system than to build something like you are describing.

Cheers, Wayne

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:46 PM, diabolics nbu-fo...@backupcentral.comwrote:

 Thanks a lot NBU SER and RUSMAN for your valuable time.

 Firstly I was talking about the web page not for Netbackup Team. Its for
 UNIX team who will be bugging all the weekend to cancel this job and that
 job ruining our weekends. So I was thinking of proposing a web-oriented
 backup cancellation procedure, if any body aware of.

 And we are no using OPscenter any more since we are using Aptare Storage
 Console.

 Can I get helped here..

 Thanks again in advance.. :-)

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Status Code 129

[Wayne T Smith]

I forget where it's specified, but NetBackup has a (max) size for a disk
pool someplace ... maybe part of OST?  I set it when I setup my Quantum
disk appliance.   For example, nbdevquery -listdv -stype Quantum shows me
the quota in the 5th column. ymmv.

Cheers, Wayne

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Armenti, Joseph
jarme...@lordabbett.comwrote, in part:

  ** **

 Duplication jobs are failing with a 129, insufficient space on our DR Data
 Domain. 

 We have over 17tb of free space at least. 

 What is causing this?

 Backups are running fine. Dup jobs to our production Data Domain are fine.
 

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup , Vmware and Netapp

[Wayne T Smith]

I'd consider NetApp's Snap Mirror / Snap Vault.

Cheers, Wayne

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Abhishek Dhingra1 
abhishek.dhin...@in.ibm.com wrote, in part:

 I have an infrastructure , where i have a critical windows machine on ESXi
 box, total space occupied is 6TB, and the disk are coming from Netapp box.

 Server has huge number of files and size of the files are in Kb's and Mb's.

 Please suggest a way , how to integrate all three technologies and get the
 optimum solution for backup.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup 7.1 Migration

[Wayne T Smith]

I think you need a new plan.

Cheers, Wayne
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Re: [Veritas-bu] restores from client not working

[Wayne T Smith]

Thanks for the reply, Bluejay.  Yes, that usually works for me, too, but
not this time.  Guess it's time to crank up logging on the server, if I can
find an otherwise quiet time.   Wayne

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Bluejay Adametz
blue...@fujifilm.comwrote, in part:

   I'm guessing
  that some part of the NetBackup client is needing a package and the
  protocol-less NetBackup is swallowing up the message, never to be seen by
  humans.

 One trick I've used is to telnet to the client on various NetBackup
 ports and see if any error messages come back.

 For example:
telnet clientnode 13782
error message about not being able to load a library

 Or try starting various NetBackup binaries manually on the client and
 see if any errors result.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Archive list

[Wayne T Smith]

Good points and summary, Bob.

My argument wasn't that archives are less restorable, especially if
they were covered by scheduled backups before the archive.  They are
probably in as safe a place as the rest of the backups.

What I meant was that without the live copy, my chances of losing the
data altogether are greater.  I used to have three copies (live and
traditional onsite and offsite backups), but now have, at best, only
two.   Two should be more than enough, but its not as good as three.

I'd argue that unless the backup administrator and data owner
understand NetBackup archive and their own NetBackup implementation,
data loss can occur.

For example, a few weeks ago I had a data storage failure moments
after a backup successfully finished and before the data could be
replicated to a second backup storage.

If my data owner had data new to the backup system and  the
successful backup job was instead an archive, that data would have
been lost.

I would feel better about NetBackup archive if the live data deletion
could be made to occur once the backup system successfully
replicated, but I still contend the organization needs to realize that
if archive is stored like backup, once archived, the data is in one
less place than before.

My thanks to all contributors, too.

Cheers, Wayne

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:54 AM, bob944 bob...@attglobal.net wrote, in part:

  I think the place for NBU archive is quite limited and is not a
  reasonable solution where one is expected to be able to restore the
  data to their usable place/form.

 Agreed that its place is limited but why is it any more unreasonable
 to restore the data to their usable place/form than if the data had
 been backed up by a full/diff/incr schedule and then blown away by the
 user?  You have the same storage destinations, volume pools, copies,
 retentions, ownership, multiplexing, ... as any other backup--all
 under the admin's complete control.  Why should I be less able to
 restore the data to their usable place/form than from, say, the
 previous night's scheduled full?
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Archive list

[Wayne T Smith]

When I consider protecting data, I'm typically thinking of keeping them in
multiple places that are as independent as possible.

If I were to use NBU archive, I would be basically chopping off one of
the places where the data is stored (its original, live home).

I think the place for NBU archive is quite limited and is not a
reasonable solution where one is expected to be able to restore the data to
their usable place/form.  For the case where it would be nice, but not
critical, to restore this data sometime in the next x months, NBU
archive might be an easy solution.   I've never encountered that case.
Is it better than writing them to DVDs? Maybe.

Cheers, Wayne

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM, David Rock da...@graniteweb.com wrote, in
part:

 * Kevin Holtz klh1...@gmail.com [2012-03-09 07:47]:
  All is true but I wouldn't say it's something NBU was not designed to
  do.  It was made difficult for a reason rather than easy due to the
  nature of the outcome e.g. Archiving.  This is very common practice
  for DBA's.  Yes, this all needs to be scripted, blat etc. and you will
  need admins to help if you don't have access to the local systems.

 By not designed to do I specifically mean that NBU is not designed to
 have the backup admins be responsible for running archive jobs.
 Archives are inherently dangerous and as such, only the owner of the
 files being archived is really intended to be the one to determine of
 archiving is ok.

 Backup admins are generally in the business of preserving data for
 recovery, not removal of files from systems.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Need help choosing backup solution

[Wayne T Smith]

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Dennis Peacock
nbu-fo...@backupcentral.comwrote, in part:

 Netbackup is your backup solution.
 Every backup product is different in strengths and weaknesses. I don't
 know what your budget is, but Netbackup is an excellent choice for backup
 software.


While we (I) have apparently missed the question and  preceding
discussion,  ...

I'll offer my opinion that while comprehensive, NetBackup is complex, has
more history than design, is hard to use, hard to debug, costly, and has a
definite tendency to require you take more aspirins than now.  On the other
hand, since it has a huge market share, it's probably less awful than its
competitors. ;-)

Cheers, Wayne
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Re: [Veritas-bu] New backup

[Wayne T Smith]

Read about calendar and frequency schedules.  Determine which you have
or want.

I much prefer calendar schedules and my full backups have retry after
run day set.  I have a full start window on every day and my calendar
schedule has a check for one day each week, often Saturday.

My Incremental backups have the same start windows and every day of the
calendar month is checked for a backup.

With this setup, I get an incremental backup every day, except for the full
backup day. In addition, if a full backup fails, the next day will be a
full backup day ... in fact full backups until one completes.

Sorry, but I can't answer your direct question as it is uninteresting for
me ... I always start a (full) backup once configured to make sure it
works.  This gives me the earliest backup, time to work around problems
such as firewalls, and with modern machines and networks, only a minor hit
on performance ... and on new machines, people generally aren't using it
yet for production or don't have expectations set from experience!


Cheers, Wayne

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Shields, Matthew matthew.shie...@td.comwrote:

 ** **

 If you were to add a backup for the first time on a day that the policy
 has an Incremental specified, would it automatically promote to full.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] netbackup 6.5: socket read failed ??

[Wayne T Smith]

Assuming you're using the standard vnetd communication, port 13782 is no
longer required as it was with version 5/5.1 ... just port 13724.

From your NetBackup server(s), run bptestbpcd -client clientname for
each client.  Telnet on port 13724 will work, too, but the response is not
as clear (as you have found ... the connection will NOT drop in 5 seconds
if all is OK).

If there are problems, I look at these


   - Are the firewalls of server and client open in both directions for
   port 13724?
   - If using DNS (why aren't you using DNS?!), make sure forward and
   reverse DNS lookups work.
   - Ensure the NetBackup server(s) is/are properly  listed in the client
   configuration.
   - For Windows, ensure the NetBackup Client Service is started on the
   client.
   - For Windows, does the domain controller know of the NetBackup servers?
   - If multiple paths (IP addresses) are available, ensure NetBackup uses
   the path you want


This catches nearly all setup problems I have.

Cheers, Wayne


On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:55 AM, rico78 nbu-fo...@backupcentral.comwrote:

 Hi folks,

 Back again with my problems!
 I've got a solaris 5.10 server with Netbackup 6.5 (which hostname is
 master_server for the example) on which I'm trying to configure the clients!

 I've got one client , called for instance win2003_client1 under windows
 2003 on which I installed the netbackup client.

 From the NB java console in the host properties,  I can see in the client
 properties that server win2003_client1 but I can't establish a
 communication.
 I get error:

 socket read failed (status 23)

 Yet, from the Netbackup master server, I can ping  win2003_client1! The
 hostname of the client is well resolved!
 I followed alos the instructions (
 http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=contentid=TECH54563key=15143actp=LIST)
 given by Netbackup on possible dns issues:
 I added in /etc/hosts on the master server the hostname and ip address of
 the client, and on the client, I added in
 %SystemRoot%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts the master server ip address and
 hostname

 From the master server:
 - when I do a bpclntcmd -hn win2003_client1, it returns the correct
 information on ip address and name
 - a telnet win2003_client1 13782 does connect (is it normal however that
 the telnet session ends after 5 sec?ie connection closed by foreign host)

 From the windows client:
 - a telnet master_server 13782 does connect well
 - command bpclntcmd -pn returns
  'expected response from server master_server
  win2003_client1 win2003_client1 192.168.x.y 1267

 Any other suggestion to look at why the connection can't be done?

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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog on NAS/SAN

[Wayne T Smith]

http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=contentid=TECH16116says
No.

http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=contentid=TECH33326says
No.


Cheers, Wayne

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Sanders, Nate sande...@dmotorworks.comwrote:

 What’s the best practice on moving the NBU master catalog to an NFS mount
 or a SAN share? With all the drama going on around our catalog size and the
 new Isilon, I’m beginning to wonder if we’ll out grow out current master
 servers local disk soon. I’ll be digging through Symantec PDFs, but thought
 I would throw it out here for you all as well. My obvious concerns are I/O.
 In our environment I would say we usually have no more than 30 active jobs
 (including children) running at a time. Our average is probably 10 or less,
 with bursts of 30. 

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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU and Oracle

[Wayne T Smith]

There are probably several ways to do this.  While I have a different
vendor's disk appliance, I suspect similar capabilities.

For us, license cost was an issue.   Reducing NetBackup licenses (and
involvement) in Oracle database backups to zero, we have our disk appliance
export NFS mounts to our Linux/Solaris database machines and have RMAN
backup via a script run via cron.  This has proved to have fewer problems,
less setup time, and no licensing cost when compared to our former use of
NetBackup for Oracle Agent.

The only downside that we've experienced is that the reporting of problems
we enjoy with the NetBackup Admin Console and StorageScape (StorageConsole)
are missing and must be built to ensure the backups are being done.  I
continue to work on this area.

Cheers, Wayne

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Sanders, Nate sande...@dmotorworks.comwrote:

 We have a DataDomain 670 that I would like to start sending our oracle
 RMAN jobs to. I would prefer to have the jobs go straight to the dd670
 rather than through the media server. Right now we use RMAN on the oracle
 host and NBU (7.0.1) talks to the DD670 over OST. Do I simply setup the
 oracle host as a media server with it also configured to talk to the DD670
 over OST? Or is there a better way to go about doing this configuration. *
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith)

[Wayne T Smith]

I respectfully disagree in all respects.

   - Refusing to get a database backed up until management hires a DBA could
   be a resume generating event.
   - Like it or not, the questioner appears to be the Oracle DBA, albeit one
   very early in his DBA career and learning on his own!
   - [redacted]
   - Someone using NetBackup for as long as the questioner knows that a
   successful backup is not the same as being able to restore or meet
   expectations for recovery.
   - My post started with and ended with, essentially, you need a DBA.
   - My intended perspective was that if management leaves the DBA job to
   the questioner, then a little high level knowledge will let him focus on
   getting the database protected at an appropriate level as quickly as
   possible.
   - What I wrote may be right or wrong, the perspective may be right or
   wrong for various circumstances, but for how I read this circumstance, the
   comment is off-base and helpful only in giving me pause before again
   helping in this forum. If this was the commenter's purpose, it worked.
   - If the commenter wrote Wayne when he meant the questioner ... never
   mind.

Wayne
NetBackup administrator
Oracle database administrator
thin-skinned today, apparently

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:56 AM, David McMullin 
david.mcmul...@cbc-companies.com wrote, in part:

 Wayne - You are looking at this from the wrong perspective.

 You need to be concerned about RESTORING your data.
 It does not matter how 'successful' your backups are if you cannot restore
 the data.

 IMHO you really need to get a DBA or 'someone' to sign off on your backup
 procedure, as well as test your restore, otherwise you are setting yourself
 up for a resume generating event...
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups

[Wayne T Smith]

Ouch, having an Oracle database without a DBA is like having NetBackup
without anyone that knows NetBackup.

There are several ways to do backups of Oracle databases.  These include

   - Cold, full.  You take down the database and backup all associated disk
   space (data, redolog, and perhaps other types).
   - Cold backups do not require Oracle archivelog mode.
  - Restoration requires database down or restore to essentially
  identical setup on a like machine.
  - Restoration is to back to the time of your backup.
  - Note for all backup types: Your file system backups will exclude
  Oracle managed, as a file system backup of an online Oracle database is
  insufficient for recovery.  Your file system backup should include the
  Oracle software home and certain other objects (control files, inventory,
  oraInst.loc, etc) ... not sure where these are on Windows.
   - Cold, RMAN level 0 and 1.   You write a script that brings the database
   down, use RMAN to back it up, then start the database again.
   - Note for all RMAN backup types: RMAN is simply the Oracle utility to do
  backup and restore.
  - Whereas the above backups were simply of file system disk spaces
 while the database is down (perhaps using NetBackup or a disk
copy utility),
 RMAN decides what data to copy, where to put it and keeps
track where it has
 put the backup files.
 - RMAN writes its backups to disk or tape. While it is possible to
 have RMAN write to disk and then have NetBackup backup the
file system data,
 this is awkward and restoration goes from a simple, automatic
process to a
 time-consuming very difficult process if NetBackup has the data.
 - The Netbackup solution is to purchase a license that includes the
 Oracle Agent.  This is a shim that gets installed in the
Oracle software
 home.  RMAN thinks it is backing up to tape (device type
sbt_tape), but
 the shim captures the RMAN data and sends it on to your
backup server.  It
 doesn't matter if your backup server uses disk or tape ...
everything back
 at the backup server is transparent to RMAN ... just like
NetBackup file
 system backups.
 - Just like file system cold backups, you need to verify and
 practice various restore scenarios.  RMAN gives you a much
better chance to
 do the restore you need (and have the necessary backup
objects available).
 - RMAN keeps track of the stuff it backs up.  It has two methods.
 RMAN will put information about its backups in the Oracle
database control
 files.  RMAN also has a catalog feature, which means its backup
 information is stored in a database someplace.  If you use
the RMAN catalog,
 your restore scenarios are substantially enhanced.  Using an
RMAN catalog is
 NOT required by RMAN nor the Oracle Agent.
 - RMAN has its own retention schemes.  Now you have 2 retentions to
 worry about ... if either the RMAN retention or the NetBackup
retention
 period expires, your backup data is lost.
  - Hot - Hot backups are taken with the database online.  Hot backups
  require archivelog mode set in the database, which means that
changes to the
  database, as recorded in the redologs that any Oracle database has, are
  copied to archive redo logs.  Archivelog mode along with database backups
  allow one to restore/recover to a point in time of your choice
(that is, all
  committed changes at any point in time).  Depending on your requirements,
  these archive redo logs must be saved for as far back as you
might wish to
  do a restore.
  - Hot backups do not require RMAN.  One may put an Oracle tablespace
 (collection of related data files) in backup mode, backup (by
disk copy,
 NetBackup user backup, or whatever) and then remove backup
mode.  While this
 can be done I strongly suggest you don't, for I predict you
will not be able
 to do the restore you want one day.
 - RMAN is the tool of choice for hot backups.  Again, backup may be
 to RMAN disk or tape.
- I backup many databases using the NetBackup Oracle Agent.
With an appropriately written script to control the
backups, once can invoke
a backup on the client as well as having scheduled
Netbackup backups.  These
backups have several setups you must perform:
   - Write or find a working script
   - setup RMAN configuration
   - setup NetBackup server configuration
   - In addition, depending on your NetBackup version/platform,
   you may have to install the Oracle Agent separately
from the NetBackup
   client (older versions only, I think) and you may have
a configuration step
   to link the Oracle Agent into the Oracle 

Re: [Veritas-bu] Number of clients one NBU admin can manage.

[Wayne T Smith]

Mark,

I would say we don't have enough information to answer the question.

   - If the sysadmins and DBAs are good and can be expected to get good at
   the client end of NetBackup (installation, connection issues, restore
   issues), perhaps with backup admin help learning NBU, much less backup admin
   time is required.
   - If the NetBackup infrastructure is insufficient, **much** more backup
   admin time.
   - If the environment has a high rate of change, more backup admin time.
   - If the network is insufficient or poorly managed, much more backup
   admin time.
   - If backup or restore times are considered too long, much more backup
   admin time.
   - If the organization has well-expressed expectations in the areas of
   risk and recovery, less backup admin time.
   - If data owners and sysadmins/DBAs fail to have a sense of ownership
   over the systems and data they manage, much more backup admin time.
   - If the organization spends much of its time fighting fires, much more
   backup admin time.

As my organization has been able to address some of these issues over the
past few years, my backup admin duties have shrunk from 40% to perhaps 15%
of my time (my backup backup admin spends about 5% of his time in the area,
mostly managing the backup/restore infrastructure).   Trading an old,
insufficiently size tape system for a D2D2D (with OST) is mostly responsible
for the improvement in backup admin time.  My site is perhaps 10% the size
of yours.

Cheers, Wayne

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Mark Hickey mark.hic...@hds.com wrote, in
part:

 Assuming a mix of about 50% VM and 50% physical clients, and a large (
 several hundred) Oracle and SQL Server (almost 2000) presence, are there ant
 rules of thumb about how many clients a NBU backup admin can handle?

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Status Code 800 again - Please help!

[Wayne T Smith]

Perhaps the policy or schedule for this backup is using an unexpected
storage group?

Cheers, Wayne

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:56 AM, thesunlover nbu-fo...@backupcentral.comwrote:

 I opend that thread you referred.

 It looks like the 800 error is regarding storage. There is only one tape
 robot connecting to the single netbackup server (master and media, v6.5) . I
 am wondering why other clients with the same backup configuration settings
 as this troubled one have no any issue with the server and robot.

 Client/server connection is fine. I've tested it by using telnet,
 bptestbpcd, bpclntcmd, etc.

 Thank you!

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Fw: Data Domain Question

[Wayne T Smith]

I can't answer your question either, but there should be a lot of it
depends in any answer.

   - many dedup appliances will not only dedup but will do traditional
   compression.  Compress your SQL dump with your favorite compression
   utility.  Your dedup appliance is unlikely to do better at compression.
   - If you run your SQL dump a bazillion times, you'll see an incredible
   dedup ratio.  All this means is that if it's important to backup the same
   thing over and over, your dedup appliance will do a nice job. Many stupid
   backup programs will backup the same thing over and over.  They can't help
   it; they were brought up that way.
   - If you make a SQL dump of many different database objects, your dedup
   appliance will or may find identical blocks within the dumps, allowing you
   to store the dumps using less appliance space.  The dedup you get from these
   sorts of storage may or will increase somewhat as you fill your appliance
   with various stuff.
   - Even within one SQL dump, your dedup appliance will or may find
   identical blocks, allowing you to store the dump using less appliance space.
   - A dedup ratio of 3-1 or 4-1 would make for extremely expensive storage
   on a dedup appliance.
   - If you're really considering an appliance, have the VAR/vendor prove
   their claims --- on your data.
   - Consider: if you procure an appliance/solution, is there a method to
   test the dedup ratio of some of your data?  That is, will you be able to
   tell the ratio due to your SQL dump of a different/new database object?

Sorry I can't answer your question!

Cheers, Wayne

There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong. (Perrussel's Law)

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:02 PM, ccosta@gmail.com wrote:


 --Original Message--
 To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Data Domain Question
 Sent: Aug 16, 2011 1:59 PM

 To all,

 I am interested in finding out what deduplication ratios users are seeing
 when backing native SQL dumps to a Data Domain array?

 Having friends who work for EMC, they say 3:1 to 4:1, but I am looking for
 real numbers that users are seeing not the sales numbers.

 Please let me know

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Re: [Veritas-bu] RMAN and NetBackup Question

[Wayne T Smith]

RMAN and NetBackup each has a retention and one can normally restore from a
backup that has expired from neither.  (One can add back a unexpired
NetBackup image into the RMAN catalog, as one can import a tape image back
into the NetBackup catalog)

RMAN does not know the Netbackup retention nor does NetBackup know the RMAN
retention.  There are RMAN commands to bring these into (momentary) sync,
deleting items in the RMAN catalog or control file and NetBackup.  For
example, I use (on my tapeless system) these RMAN commands, weekly:

   - delete noprompt obsolete device type disk;
   - crosscheck backup;
   - delete noprompt expired backup device type disk;

It should be noted that RMAN retention policies can be more complex than, or
different from, Netbackup's simple keep for n days.

I have no clue how RMAN could change its mind unless somehow the control
file and RMAN catalog were different and one query used the catalog and the
other didn't.

Cheers, Wayne

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Patrick
netbac...@whelan-consulting.co.ukwrote, in part:

  ...

 I have a strange question. Has anyone seen a situation where RMAN says the
 backup image has expired, but NetBackup says they exist?

 And then later, next day, RMAN says the image does exist. Very strange.
 ...

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Oracle 11G backup with netbackup 6.5.6

[Wayne T Smith]

I may be way off base here, but I suspect something slightly different.

My experience is that recent versions of Oracle database may have
oracle_link run with the database running.

Perhaps pranav did not run oracle_link after upgrading to 6.5.6?  Are the
NetBackup servers at 6.5.6?

Cheers, Wayne

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Mark Glazerman 
mark.glazer...@spartech.com wrote:

 You cannot run the oracle_link script when the database is running.  That
 is why your output is still referencing your old 6.5 install.  You’ll need
 to bounce the DB in order to link it to your new 6.5.6 client.



 *Mark Glazerman*

 Desk: 314-889-8282

 Cell: 618-520-3401

 P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to



 *From:* veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:
 veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] *On Behalf Of *Michael Graff
 Andersen
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:30 AM
 *To:* pranav batra
 *Cc:* Stef Veritas; Veritas
 *Subject:* Re: [Veritas-bu] Oracle 11G backup with netbackup 6.5.6



 Yes, the libobk file under netbackup it might have been locked by some
 oracle process, know that we sometimes have to delete it, then upgrade and
 recreate the symbolic link



 Other than that I would create the dbclient directory under logs with 777
 permissions



 Hope this helps


 Regards

 Michael

 2011/4/26 pranav batra pranav_vent...@hotmail.com

 My main concern here is why it is showing that linking to 6.5 oracle even
 after upgrading to 6.5.6





 channel d1: Veritas NetBackup for Oracle - *Release 6.5 (2010042405)*





 We did upgrade agent without stopping the database.

 Does this has something to do with this ???





 Pranav





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 From: sm...@peppas.gr
 To: pranav_vent...@hotmail.com; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Oracle 11G backup with netbackup 6.5.6
 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:48:26 +0300



 Hi,

 Open the bphdb and dbbackup logs and rerun the backup.  Check the logs.



 Is your oracle cluster aware? What is the OS?

 Also post the rman script.



 If the oracle is installed as cluster aware be sour that you have configure
 the backup to the service name and you have add the correct send parameters
 at the rman script.



 *From:* veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:
 veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] *On Behalf Of *pranav batra
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:15 AM
 *To:* Veritas
 *Subject:* [Veritas-bu] Oracle 11G backup with netbackup 6.5.6



 Hello Geeks,



 We recently tried to test oracle 11G backup with netbackup .



 Earlier we did not know that oracle 6.5 is not supported with 11G.

 So we linked oracle with netbackup lib files.



 But as we got to know that 6.5. is not supported we upgraded to 6.5.6



 But we still getting error.



 channel d1: Veritas NetBackup for Oracle - *Release 6.5 (2010042405)*



 Starting backup at 25-APR-11

 channel d1: starting full datafile backup set

 channel d1: specifying datafile(s) in backup set

 including current control file in backup set

 channel d1: starting piece 1 at 25-APR-11

 released channel: d1

 RMAN-00571: ===

 RMAN-00569: === ERROR MESSAGE STACK FOLLOWS ===

 RMAN-00571: ===

 RMAN-03009: failure of backup command on d1 channel at 04/25/2011 12:20:49

 ORA-19506: failed to create sequential file, name=i9maljov_1_1, parms=

 *ORA-27028: skgfqcre: sbtbackup returned error*

 *ORA-19511: Error received from media manager layer, error text:*

 *   VxBSAValidateFeatureId: Failed with error:*

 *   Server Status:  unexpected message received*





 Though we have upgraded netbackup client oracle agent to 6.5.6



 # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE !

 # * means installed patch was preceded by this patch.

 # + means that the installed patch installed this patch as a dependency.

 NB_CLT_6.5.6 installed. +NB_JAV_6.5.6

 NB_JAV_6.5.6 installed. *NB_CLT_6.5.6

 NB_ORA_6.5.6 installed. *NB_CLT_6.5.6



 What is the issue.

 Please advise.





 Thanks,
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Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup RMAN Connect String

[Wayne T Smith]

I don't recall the sample, but we use os authentication (I.e., connect
target; ... no passwords ... os authentication).

Cheers, Wayne
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Snyder, Nicholas A (IS) 
nicholas.sny...@ngc.com wrote, in part:

  Implementing NetBackup Database Agent backups for Oracle.
 Using the NetBackup provided sample script as the basis for the backup
 script.
 /usr/openv/netbackup/ext/db_ext/oracle/samples/rman/hot_database_backup.sh

 How does everyone deal with exposing the TARGET_CONNECT_STR?

 Using the example script, the TARGET_CONNECT_STR is exposed.  Anyone with
 access can view the RMAN command with a simple ‘ps’ command while the RMAN
 backup is running, that exposes the Oracle credentials.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Quantum's DXi Series of Dedupe Appliances

[Wayne T Smith]

No.  The normal operation is a true inline dedup, but you have an option to
delay the dedup.  We use the inline method and our OST-connected 6550 has
met or exceeded our performance expectations.

Cheers, Wayne

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Robin Small
robin.sm...@fresno.govwrote, in part:

 On the Quantum,



 When we were looking at it a while back, I understood that for each client
 you threw at it, it would store a non-deduped initial “base” image of that
 client and dedupe around it, as opposed to deduping everything including
 base images and incrementals.



 Is that still the case?

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Re: [Veritas-bu] EXIT STATUS 24: socket write failed

[Wayne T Smith]

Maybe some new version of NetBackup will use robust, programmed connections
rather than the current hodge-podge that leads to untold customer
frustrations and lost time.  So many versions, so little gain.Wayne

P.S. I think a Symantec note admits problems with larger buffers and some
versions of Windows; sorry I don't recall its ID.
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Re: [Veritas-bu] netbackup for Oracle configuration

[Wayne T Smith]

I've only found this true on older versions of Oracle.  In fact, I ran a 6.5
oracle_link for an 11.1 home just a week or so ago with a DB up and
running and after trying a backup that went clunk because the link had not
yet been made for this Oracle home.  Backups ran fine immediately after
running oracle_link.

Note: NetBackup version 6.5 oracle_link needs to be taught that Oracle
version 11g is just like 10g, for the purposes of linking libobk.

Cheers, Wayne

Tip: A NetBackup Server (Master and/or Media Server) schedules backups,
contains the catalog of of backup objects, and accepts the backup data to
store someplace. A NetBackup Client is your server that actually
accomplishes work for your organization.  Your database server is a
NetBackup Client.  If you are a small shop, you'll have one or two
NetBackup servers, and many NetBackup Clients feeding backup data to the
NetBackup server.   A NetBackup Agent, such as the agent for Oracle
Database, is an add-on or part of the NetBackup Client (depending on
NetBackup version) software.  Back on the NetBackup Master Server, you'll
have a NetBackup policy for the file system backups and another for agent
backups.  I recommend a separate policy for each database.

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Mark Glazerman mark.glazer...@spartech.com
 wrote, in part:

  ... One word of warning though, running the oracle link (on unix located
 in /usr/openv/netbackup/bin) requires any databases to be down or the link
 won’t work.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] D2D or Tape Libraries

[Wayne T Smith]

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:49 AM, rusty.ma...@sungard.com wrote, in part:

 ...
 This would be a very good time for you to investigate utilizing client side
 de-dupe, Pure Disk, Media Server De-Dupe, one of the NBU appliances (which
 have storage built in), or a Data Domain.
 ...


or a Quantum ;-)

Cheers, Wayne
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Re: [Veritas-bu] D2D or Tape Libraries

[Wayne T Smith]

When I went from tape on my telephone answering machine I had some
misgivings, due mostly to flexibility of  flipping the tape when full and
fixed size storage.

I've wanted a D2D2D backup system for several years and have been enjoying
the one we now have for several months.  Like any other IT system,
expandability, applicability, operations cost and vendor support are
important.Non-compressible data worries me, as does what we'll do in 4-5
years when the devices go out of support.

OST good.  Dedup on way in good.  Getting vendors and VARs to talk backup
without tape was the biggest problem, but that's mostly a history lesson
now.  ;-)

Cheers, Wayne

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:45 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) 
simon.wea...@astrium.eads.net wrote:

  All
 Just wanted some views on this

 Been using Tape backups + Robots for years, and only lately things have
 been going wrong!
 Decisions seem to be made about removing tape backups (maybe using them for
 monthly) and going to D2D solutions only.

 Anyone got views on this? Pros or cons?

 I do not mind D2D but I also like the feel of Tapes and storing them
 outside a site in a secure safe! Cannot do that with a EVA System !

 Note: D2D is not to go to tape, remains on disk until it expires.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] bpbackup and socket read error (23)

[Wayne T Smith]

This sounds like a problem opening a connection from the client to the
NetBackup server.

On client and master/media servers (I assume you use the default vnetd,
port 13724, method and FQDN):

   1. Test forward and reverse DNS for servers and client.  If multiple IP
   addresses, adjust NBU config.  I tell people to use lower case DNS names,
   even if it should work otherwise.
   2. Verify firewall exceptions to allow connections in AND out.

Restart the NetBackup Client Service.  Because it's Windows, reboot to
ensure 6.5.6 is really installed.  But, again, I'm guessing a telnet to the
NetBackup server(s) on port 13724 will fail until you resolve the problem.

Properly doing these things has always worked for me, but the next step for
me would be to turn on NetBackup logging to see exactly where the problem
is, while verifying connections/rejections are seen on each side.

Cheers, Wayne

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Andy Braithwaite 
netbackup-fo...@backupcentral.com wrote:

 Hi, I'm having some problems with a client initiated backup. I hope you can
 help.
 I have a 6.5.6 windows 2003 x64 master server and two Red Hat linux
 (2.6.18-164.el5) client - there are many more clients, however these two
 were built at the same time and are supposed to be almost identical.

 Server scheduled backups work on both clients. However on one client
 bpbackup fails:

 [r...@x bin]# ./bpbackup  -w /etc/group
 EXIT STATUS 23: socket read failed

 Also, the clients properties in the admin console show v6.5 only. I've
 definately installed 6.5.6 on this client. I even reinstalled the client
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Error Code 6 NBU 6.5

[Wayne T Smith]

In some earlier versions of NetBackup there was a bug where in some cases
all Oracle backups would end with status code 6, but it's been fixed by
v6.5.

As the others have written, there may be detail in the child jobs or you may
have to use logging that your RMAN script has created.   For certain
backups, I've seen a status code 6 when RMAN was told to backup archive redo
logs and a quiet DB has created none.

If this isn't an agent backup, then it might be something like a policy
specifying (only) an object that does not exist on the client.

Cheers, Wayne
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Need HELP!!!!

[Wayne T Smith]

If I understand this correctly, we've seen a couple of problems like this,
especially after our backup servers were placed back in a private network

   - maybe the client can't open a connection to the backup server due to
   firewall
   - maybe the client can't do reverse DNS lookup (or its domain controller
   can't)

Cheers, Wayne

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:11 PM, fredsharky 
netbackup-fo...@backupcentral.com wrote:

 We have a Solaris master server and windows vm client on 5.1

 We can telnet, ping, traceroute, getconfig and anything else you can think
 of to each other.

 The problem we are having is when we go to the host properties  clients 
 clietn, it takes forever and a day to connect, it should time out, but
 never does.

 It does this on both the client and the master.

 traceroute is only one hop and comes back instantly as does the telnets and
 pings.

 If more information is needed please ask.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Nirvanix

[Wayne T Smith]

No impressions here, but I'll note that CommVault is advertising their
product's use with Nirvanix.

Cheers, Wayne

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Roy McMorran mcmor...@mdibl.org wrote:

  I recently received a notification from the Symantec beta program about a
 beta for cloud-based backup storage using Nirvanix.  I can't really take
 advantage of this beta at the moment, but I wonder if anyone else has tried
 it out.  Any impressions you could share?

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Email restore using NBU?? Please help!! :(

[Wayne T Smith]

You might find How to restore an Exchange 2003 database to a Recovery
Storage Group (http://support.veritas.com/docs/281259 aka
http://entsupport.symantec.com/docs/281259) useful.

Cheers, Wayne

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Tony1100
netbackup-fo...@backupcentral.comwrote:

 I am desperate so any help is much appreciated!  I have a user that needs
 her Sent Items restored from X date.  I'm a bit new to mail restores and
 have an inherited infrastructure I'm still trying to learn everything.
 Master is Veritas Netbackup 6.5.4
 Exchange 2007 on W2k8 server with about 6 storage groups

 Our backup policy for this Exchange server is set for all Microsoft
 Information Store.

 To restore this users Sent Items...  Do I have to restore an entire
 mailstore (~100GB) which would take probably 12 hrs.  Then merge the db,
 etc, etc to retrieve the specific user mailbox and folder??  :(

 Or is there an easier way using Netbackup to just restore the mailbox or
 even the folder?  If so, could someone point me to the steps for this??

 Thanks!!
 Tony :D

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Facing Problem with flood of alerts EC-196 netbackup6.5

[Wayne T Smith]

As you know, the 196 status code means your backup job could not be started
within its backup start window.  It didn't start because it required a
resource that wasn't available (to it) during the start window ... probably
a place to put the backups or limits on number of backup streams/jobs for
the client/policy/storage unit.  So the question becomes ... Why wasn't the
backup storage available? and What can I do about it?

Assuming you have a place to put backups, the task is to determine how to
get as much data as possible there.

There are lots of techniques...

   - Split a machine backup using multiple policies or multi-streaming so
   more than one data streams (jobs) can run at a time.
   - If using tape, use multiplexing to send more than one stream to the
   tape at a time.  This can actually make a tape drive work faster, but does
   use additional cpu and memory resources in your media server.  Also, it can
   slow restores, since when reading the tape for a restore, the data from
   several backup streams must be read in order to process the stream of
   interest.  In my practice, I find the restore problem to be of little
   interest, unless I have a very fast communication path to the client machine
   ... and if so, why did I multiplex?
   - Lengthen the backup window.
   - Spread full backups over time, not just Friday night (or any one or two
   particular times).
   - Spread the start of jobs to minimize overhead and make each job
   duration smaller.
   - Backup less; do you really need everything that is now backed up?
   - Enhance your backup processing (communications and media server
   capability) and storage resources.  Before buying more tape drives,
   determine that current ones are being driven at or near their rated speed,
   and consider backup to disk, probably with a deduplication function in
   NetBackup or the disk storage.


Thinking back over the past decade, when I've seen 196s in a running backup
system, the problem was

   - one or more tape drives offline.
   - one or more backup jobs hung.
   - one or more backup jobs endlessly writing data to the backup system.
   - multiplexing changed to too high
   - multiplexing changed to too low
   - a tape drive stuck at a slow speed
   - one or more clients with badly configured communication ports causing
   very slow backups, stealing time from other backups.
   - a disk storage unit going offline for at least part of a backup window
   - one or more tape drives failing enough to cause enough backup (long
   duration job) restarts to overflow the backup window for some some jobs.
   - changes to clients (more data) or policies (added Follow NFS) or new
   clients with the exclude list not configured.
   - added client compression to various clients, greatly extending the
   duration of backups.

I'm sure there are other scenarios!   Hope this helps.   Cheers, Wayne

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:35 AM, shekhar deshingkar
sdeshing...@gmail.comwrote, in part:

 We have setup of one master server so many media server and client list but
 backup jobs are failed with EC-196 with flood of alerts could you explain
 any tunning procedure to follow the proper backup scheduled and compltion
 within specifice window.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain OST

[Wayne T Smith]

I'm not sure one can learn much from such a generic question.

Not what you were asking, but I get 60+MB/sec on a single stream or
120MB/sec all streams on my 6.5.5 Linux server via OST to a Quantum 6550,
and that's via its 2 1Gb/S interfaces (bonded) ... should do better once
Quantum gets the 10Gb interface working for us.  Inline dedup is
configured.  Jumbo frames, I believe.

The single stream number is with data on the media or master server.  Our
well-connected, larger servers tend to get 20-30MB/sec, with most others
getting 2-15MB/sec.  Misconfigured 100mb/s connections get about 250 KB/sec.
;-)

As we were testing our backups and restores, I don't think we ever came
close to measuring the Quantum capability, despite trying .. most often
being limited by client disk or connection.  I've no reason to believe a
similar class Data Domain would perform differently in gross terms, given
the reputation of Data Domain.

For us, having the 6550s do replication via OST (no data server data I/O),
was an excellent OST bonus over the purported speed increase over NFS I/O.

Cheers, Wayne

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Renee Carlisle 
rcarli...@serverwarecorp.com wrote:

 Is anyone out there using a Data Domain with the OST plug in for NetBackup?
 (Especially if you are running NBU 7)  Can someone give me a rough idea what
 kind of performance numbers you are gettingjust looking for an average
 mb/s per stream on typical backup jobs.  Don't need a lot of detail, just
 wanting some rough ideas.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Performance tuning Windows 2008 client

[Wayne T Smith]

(Knowing nothing about Win2008R2 and little about VMs, ...)

I'd want to get together with my network folks to see if I'm getting dropped
packets during the test.
Misconfigured connections and overloaded routers can kill performance.

I'd also look at windows performance stats ... perhaps memory is a problem?

As with anything, you want to slice and dice away possibilities.
How fast can you get the data off disk?
How fast can you FTP a decent-sized file to your media server? to a
more-close-by machine?
Is your disk on the same network as backup?

I've seen numbers like yours on incremental backups and with systems with
network problems,
but with only 35K files, I'd expect 10-40 times what you are seeing, even on
a VM.

Cheers, Wayne
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Re: [Veritas-bu] best way suspend backups

[Wayne T Smith]

I like Steven's answer better than mine. ;-)

Mine is to exclude the day for affected clients on my calendar-based backups
... rather tedious, compared to the nbpemreq -suspend_scheduling / nbpemreq
-resume_scheduling method when one has many policies.

Cheers, Wayne

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Victor Engle
victor.en...@gmail.comwrote, in part:

 Say you're planning a weekend maintenance and want to suspend backups
 but want availability of the backup server in case a restore is
 needed. Do you deactivate policies or is some trick to prevent policy
 driven backups from starting and at the same time, leave the backup
 server available for immediate backups.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup of unix client behind firewall

[Wayne T Smith]

The answer depends on your version of NetBackup.  For v6.5 (and maybe 6.0
and 7.0), you don't need any as the communications defaults to vnet (port
13724).  Open that port at client and server(s) and all should be well.

Earlier versions required setting the bpcd connect-back port to vnetd for
the client under the master server client attributes to use vnetd and more
ports are used. Opening 13720-13783 on client and server should be more than
sufficient for v5.1 and maybe 4.5.

Cheers, Wayne

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Michael Graff Andersen mia...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello

 Can you help me with which connect options there should be in bp.conf on a
 unix client behind a firewall

 Have tried to do after the description in the manual, but not with much
 luck. We keep getting a status 23 cannot connect on socket

 We have to run oracle backup on this client

 Regards
 Michael

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Re: [Veritas-bu] FalconStor/NetApp w/OST

[Wayne T Smith]

Almost totally ignoring your questions, I'll offer that while NetApp has a
dedup capability, I'm unaware of an OST plugin.

We have a nice pair of Quantum 6550s using NetBackup 6.5.5 and OST ... and
are happy customers.

After using NetBackup Vault to duplicate backups to tape for off-site, OST
between the disk appliances is wonderful.  The Quantum's replicate all
blocks between themselves and NetBackup's Storage Life Cycle policy
quickly and quietly verifies the duplicate on the remote 6550.  We don't use
the 6550 tape capability, nor do we use the VTL/FC capability.

We had some getting-started problems, but it looks like the only thing that
will persist is that the Quantum OST plug-in can't deal with it's appliances
going away and reappearing on a new NFS share (our workaround - reboot the
NBU servers).

We had been using the NetBackup for Oracle DB agent software, but have
created NFS shares on the Quantum to send RMAN backups directly to backup
w/o NBU for at least some of these.  A Quantum 6550 scheduled process does
periodic snapshots to create point in time versions of the backup NFS space
at the alternate 6550.  Separate NFS mounts to separate DB only for security
reasons ... we use just one big dedup pool for NBU  these NFS mounts.  CIFS
available, but we do little Windows here.

Hope this helps!

Cheers, Wayne

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:09 AM, m b m3b...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Is anyone using a FalconStor or  NetApp  solution with OST?

 If so, do you have an opinion as to how either one compares with Data
 Domain?

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup SAN Media Server

[Wayne T Smith]

I know this has been an NBU SAN whatever discussion, but ...

Wow ... backing up a TSM system with NBU.  I hope you do a lot of testing.
TSM does a lot of stuff in the background.  I'd make sure TSM is shutdown,
not just the data volumes and your backup includes everything that is TSM,
especially the database.

Cheers, Wayne


On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Thomas Hemmingby Espe 
thomas.e...@gmail.com wrote, in part:

 ...
 To provide some background:

 The system in question comes bundled with its own backup solution
 (TSM) of which we have no control (it's essentially a black box
 to us). TSM writes it backup to disk volumes. We are allowed to freeze
 the TSM volumes for 30 minutes to get the data
 off the host to our backup solution.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup Success Rate

[Wayne T Smith]

Hi Brian,

Because we backup machines that will be unavailable for periods of time, the
% isn't very interesting for us.

Items I find interesting:

   - On Monday morning, what servers have not had a successful full backup
   over the weekend (I want a reason for every client failing backups)
   - On Friday morning, what servers are failing backups (notify client
   owners)
   - Other days, client owners can work on the problem of failing backups,
   if they have interest (they have the ability/resources)
   - How much of my time is due to backup infrastructure problems.
   - How much of my time is due to client problems.

Over the years, this keeps us reasonably protected and focus with the owners
(responsible parties).  Others may have wildly different perspectives!

Cheers, Wayne


On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:27 AM, briandi...@northwesternmutual.com wrote:


  I've been asked what I think the national average is for backup
 success.  I recall hearing at one time that it was around 85-86% ...
 What do you believe this to be?

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Oracle Database Restore Problem

[Wayne T Smith]

Do your Oracle DB restore from Oracle (RMAN), not NetBackup.

Cheers, Wayne
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Oracle restore question

[Wayne T Smith]

Hi Susan,

I'll offer that the suggestions were for your NetBackup administrator and
are settings on your media server(s), not anything your Oracle admins can
change.  Also, the settings apply to all restores/mounts, not just Oracle DB
restores.

Cheers, Wayne
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Exchange Agent

[Wayne T Smith]

Hi Mark,

I have 2 much smaller Exchange servers (120GB  200GB) and use the NBU 
Exchange agent (still v5.1 for the moment).

I find the agent does as well pushing data as a small-file-count file 
system backup (i.e., very well!), with differential incrementals being a 
bit slower ... maybe half-speed, but even my active Exchange server 
changes only about 2% per day. (So incremental backup times are a big 
win here).

Mailbox backups were unbelievably slow and error prone (terminations 
as well as never ending backups); think of mismatched network adapters 
and then slow down some more. :-(

Cheers, Wayne

Donaldson, Mark wrote, in part, on 2009-06-15 2:07 PM:

 Hi all,

 We’re using the Netapp “Snapmanager for Exchange” software to make 
 Exchange backups right now. We use it to quiesce Exchange in some way 
 and create a Netapp snapshot of the drives. Those drives are mounted 
 to another NT server and backed up as drive letters.

 The upshot of this is that every day we backup the entire 1.4 TB 
 Exchange database.

 I’d like to get out of this business.

 Can you folks using the NB Exchange Agent let me know the quickie 
 details of how it works (can I do incrementals?) and how it’s working 
 out for you?

 -M

 

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backing up multiple Oracle db's from a single host

[Wayne T Smith]

One NBU policy per DB works best for us.  You don't necessarily have to 
have multiple scripts, as long as your script knows what DB to backup 
and what policy/schedule to use.

Having separate policies makes scheduling changes and reruns easier.  It 
allows us to see exactly which DB is being backed up in the Admin 
Console.  It also allows us to limit and adjust schedules to minimally 
affect performance (the nnn DBs on a client don't all start their 
backups at once).

Cheers, Wayne

nellis wrote, in part,  on 2009-04-30 5:23 PM:
 Hello everyone, first I'll go ahead and apologize for such a long post.

 I'd like to ask everyone; what works best for those of you backing up 
 multiple Oracle db's from a single host. I have several Oracle 10g servers I 
 backup. Each has anywhere from 1 to 20 db instances. I use a single policy 
 and a common path  script name to backup the Oracle servers. This for me 
 keeps the number of policies I have to manage down to a minimum. 

 Our dba's have asked for one policy to be setup per DB. The reasoning behind 
 this is that they want the flexibility to restart a failed backup without the 
 restart initiating a backup of all DB's on servers. I told them that what 
 they should be doing on failed DB backups is from the activity monitor, 
 right click on the failed Job ID and select restart. 

 Here is where my lack of in depth knowledge of how NBU works with the 
 Oracle RMAN API when a single stream fails. 

 They asked, how does NBU know to just restart the backup for the DB that 
 failed? The best high level reply I could come up with was that NBU tracks 
 which DB piece it's backing up in a log and when a restart is initiated, it's 
 able to request a backup of just the DB which that piece was associated with 
 via calls to the Oracle RMAN API. 

 In other words, restarting a single failed Jod ID from activity monitor for 
 a backup stream associated with an Oracle backup does not mean that NBU looks 
 at the policy and executes the backup script specified in the backup 
 selection for all servers or just one server which is a member of that policy.

 Am I wrong? 
 How does a restart work with Oracle? 
 How do you backup Oracle servers which host multiple instances?
 What are the advantages and disadvantages if any with one policy per instance?

 Having a policy for each to me sounds like a nightmare in more than one way 
 but I'd REALLY appreciate anyone's input here.

 Thanks in advance to everyone that replies!

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup Oracle Script for Window Systems

[Wayne T Smith]

Oracle export (or Data Pump in newer versions of Oracle) may give you 
the protection you need.

* Have your DBA evaluate the export(s) done and test restores. 
  Tests may include loss of
  o an Oracle row of data
  o an Oracle table
  o an Oracle tablespace
  o an Oracle schema
  o an Oracle full database
  o an Oracle home and database
  o (Note that each bullet above is generally a superset of
what's above it, though it's not uncommon for a schema to
use more than one tablespace (and vice versa), for example.)
* Make sure the exported data is all there when you backup the file
  system where the dump(s) reside.
* Make sure there are backups for stuff not in the export(s).
  o Even though a schema might store all data in one tablespace,
backing up the tablespace does not backup everything in the
schema
  o Oracle control file(s)
  o init and/or spfile(s)
  o oratab, orainst, oraInventory, and ORACLE_HOME(s)
* Consider/suggest that your DBA add rman backups and you capture
  those backups with either the Oracle agent, or from disk as you
  are now doing.  In my limited experience, if rman will restore it,
  the Oracle DB will start and run.
* Once doing rman backups, have your DBA consider using the rman
  catalog feature.  W/o the catalog, rman keeps backup information
  in its control files.  Using the catalog feature gives your DBA
  additional flexibility. 


We're mostly a Linux and Solaris shop, with a smattering of Windows.  I 
use export on a few DB and the Oracle Agent with rman on another.  I'm 
considering moving my Oracle agent backups to be independent of 
NetBackup (rman backing up to NAS).  This is more of a management 
challenge (I don't see failures on my NetBackup console/reports), but 
may be a reasonable way to cut costs for us.

Cheers, Wayne

Todd Jackxon wrote, in part,  on 2009-04-22 8:55 AM:  
 Is there anyone out there running Oracle on a Windows box?
 If so can you explain how you are running your script on the client
 side for Backups?
  
 All of our systems are Unix or Linux and the 1 Window system we have 
 is backing up by using
 some type of Oracle export scheduled task to another system and 
 backing it up
 through File System. This is not the way to go but we don't have any 
 example running
 this properly from Windows client. Any suggestions are appreciated.
  
 Client is Windows 2003 Standard, SP2 - NBU 6.5.3.1
  
 Master server is Windows NBU 6.5.3.1
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Re: [Veritas-bu] how to copy backups from data domain to tape w/netbackup 6.5

[Wayne T Smith]

comments (2) within...

Hickman, Tony wrote, in part,  on 2009-03-09 10:26 AM:
  
 This is the first time for me using this mailing list.  This list was 
 recommended to me by someone and here I am.

Welcome!

  
 Here is my current dilemma:
 We went to using a Data Domain device along with NetBackup 6.5 in late 
 December.  We do not have the Vault add-on for NetBackup.  Currently 
 all of our backups are going to the Data Domain.  Our corporate policy 
 requires us to make quarterly full backups to tape.  I am trying to 
 figure out how I can copy backups off of the Data

You have some options:

  * Consider an offsite DD appliance and have corporate update their 
policy to require offsite backup, rather than tape backup.
* Consider a DD replication software license (one needed for each 
appliance) to automatically copy your local DD data to the offsite 
machine.  Note, however, that the offsite copy is not known to NetBackup 
if the DD replication software does the copy (without OST).  DD or your 
VAR will be able to calculate the bandwidth you'll need between 
appliances (but don't trust them!).  DD wants $$$ for their replication 
license.
* Without the replication license, consider a Vault license to copy 
the data from the local DD to offsite DD.  However, this may require 
significantly more network bandwidth.
* Consider an OST license to go with your replication license, as it 
allows the DD appliances to replicate your NetBackup images, while 
NetBackup knows about both copies.  Both DD and Symantec want $$$ for 
the OST licenses.  Too bad. :-(
  * Consider a Vault license to copy NetBackup images from your DD 
appliance to your local tapes for trucking offsite.

IMHO, don't give more than a passing glance at advice to roll your own 
scripts to do the offsite copies; ... use the Vault option of NetBackup 
(or whatever the current licensing is that includes vault.

If yours is a multi-site company, consider using the DD appliance on 
another site, with them using yours are their offsite backup.

Don't consider VTL as a solution to your requirement to store backups 
offsite. It isn't a solution for that and will only complicate your 
life, IMHO.

Anyone have experience with the the performance improvement of OST?  
I've heard everything from small to it's the only way to come close 
to the rated speed of a DD appliance.

Finally, you or someone mentioned basic disk.  A NetBackup marketing 
manager recently told me that the only option for new licenses is the 
per TB method when stored on DataDomain.  I forget his name for the 
license, as I was too upset reading his company bull:

*The introduction of deduplication technology enables customer to
retain data for significant periods of time on disk and is not
consistent with the intended role of Basic Disk.*

Just makes you want to hug Symantec marketing management, doesn't it?

cheers, wayne

 Domain to a tape library.  I was told that this can be done with the 
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 process, or is willing to point me in the right direction.  Please 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup Enterprise Edition 6.5 compatibility

[Wayne T Smith]

Thanks for the experiences, Ed!

What level of NetBackup client are you running on the NT machines?

(I'm not having a problem, but will be moving to 6.5.1 or 6.5.2, from 
5.1MP6 ... NT client machines at 4.5MP6)

Thanks and cheers, wayne

Ed Wilts wrote, in part,  on 2008-04-30 6:06 PM:
 On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Haskins, Steve 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

   I understood that with version 6.# Windows NT 4.0 would not be
 supported and migrated the few we have remaining to another backup
 product before migrating to 6.5. I wasn't brave enough to test
 them with 6.5.


 We've still got a few stragglers on NT 4.0 and we're backing them up 
 successfully with *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt 
 from 6.5.1 claiming to be* 6.5.1. http://6.5.1.  We've just 
 finished a restore of the files from one that died so we know the 
 backups are good.
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Quarterly Backups and Calendar Schedule

[Wayne T Smith]

I disagree (never good to disagree with Ed ... he's always right ... 
here goes anyway)...

IMHO, Calendar schedules are superior to Frequency based schedules in 
this case.

First, NetBackup can do last Friday of the month, but not quarter.  If 
you use NetBackup scheduling, you need to decide whether you want NO 
BACKUPS *or* MONTHLY backups if/when you forget to extend your 
schedule.  If you choose to NO BACKUPS is OK, specify the dates of your 
quarterly backups.  If time goes past the dates you specify, NetBackup 
will quietly do NO BACKUPS.  The alternative is to schedule last Friday 
of the month backups and exclude all but the last Friday of the month.  
this is more work, but fails by doing too many backups.

Second, you must account for missed/failed backups.  You have some 
choices here.  If you can only rerun on a Friday, only create a Friday 
window for the schedule and select retry after run day).  The backup 
will be retried next Friday. This will work perfectly for a calendar 
based schedule, but frequency-based schedules will precess (is that the 
word I'm looking for?) ... the end of next quarter backup will be first 
tried a week late.   If you can retry failures on other days of the week 
and use calendar based schedules, simply create a schedule window for 
each day you wish to allow a retry.  Again, Frequency based schedules 
cannot do this (and maintain 1st backup on a Friday.

It is surprising that the scheduler was recently rewritten (or I 
understand it was), and concepts such as quarterly and yearly are still 
missing.

Hope this helps!

cheers, wayne

Ed Wilts wrote:
 Frankly, I would rethink your requirements - it's likely going to 
 cause you problems in the future.  What are your recovery options if 
 the backup fails?  If the backup only runs on the last Friday of the 
 quarter, is it okay to skip this quarter completely and reschedule the 
 job for the next quarter?  If not, then your application has to be 
 capable of being backed up at other times anyway.

 In general, I've found that the more you try and force NetBackup to do 
 things your way, the worse off you are.  Just use frequency based 
 scheduling and let it figure it out for itself.  Yes, it may mean that 
 it runs on a Monday instead of a Friday, but it *will* recover if a 
 job fails for whatever reason.  And I'll bet your business users 
 probably say that the application must have a 24x7 uptime anyway so it 
 should not really matter when the backups run...

 Pick a frequency of how often you want the jobs to run and pick a 
 window that makes sense and then let NetBackup take it from there.

.../Ed

 On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Randy Samora 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone know of an easier way to configure a Quarterly backup
 schedule to run on the last Friday of the Quarter other than going in
 and manually selecting those 4 dates in the year for each policy?
  I can
 do last Friday of the month but not last Friday of the Quarter.  Just
 wondering if there was an easier way.



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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can a Single NetBackup Client talk to Multiple Master?Media?

[Wayne T Smith]

No solution should be based on a single full backup tape that is 
rewritten each week!   First problem: if a full backup fails, you have 
no backup.  Second problem: if your full backup overwrites the first, 
you have just invalidated (in any logical sense, while probably not 
NetBackup sense) any incremental backups.

My sense is to listen to your business folks and trash the branch office 
tape drives, if at all possible. 

As others have said, dedup has created a shift in the way we think 
about backups.  With dedup storage, the first copy has full cost (some 
vendors compress their dedup fragments for further space savings), but 
successive backups use a small fraction to store new data.  This gives 
you multiple backups for immediate restore at the dedup storage site.  
Many dedup solutions will replicate to another (perhaps central) site to 
enable offsite backup.   ExaGrid and Data Domain seem to be two of the 
active players in this area.  Be aware that NetBackup may or may not be 
aware of the replicated data.  Expect this area to get better (but 
Symantec may charge an arm and a leg to get there).

You might consider all backups over the wire.  IBM TSM's forever 
incremental does well at backing this sort of thing up.  With NetBackup, 
you may find that using synthetic backups allows you to skip the need 
for most full backups.   Can you restore what you need to meet the SLAs 
over the wire in 4 hours?

You might take a look at the Puredisk options.

As for full backups to one place and incrementals to another?  Sure.  
NetBackup requires incremental schedules to be in the same policy as the 
full, but each schedule can use a different storage unit/volume pool.  
One master ... one or more media servers.

More than just a backup and recovery exercise,  you might consider 
primary disk storage at each site with snapshot capability for primary 
backup and then backup the snapshots to central.  With the NetApp 
storage I have, I can SnapVault to a second filer, dedup it there, 
then replicate to a remote filer with SnapMirror.  NetBackup can be 
part of this, but is optional.

Lots of options.  Please keep us appraised of your thinking and progress!

cheers, wayne

srabbi wrote, in part,  on 2008-03-19 12:30 PM:
 I am designing a centralized backup/restore solution for 100+ branches. We 
 are currently using NetBackup to do the data backup at a local tape 
 library attached to each branch server. Our business folks do not want to 
 mount/unmount tapes for weekly and incremental backup. So my task is 
 to find an innovative way to solve this tape handling problem. We also have a 
 very strict SLA for data restore ( 4 hrs) with business. 

 I am wondering if I can keep the local tape library in a lock down state and 
 use it for weekly full backup (i.e overwriting tapes) and do the incremental 
 back at the central site. This means that each NetBackup client needs to talk 
 to a Master and Media Server for the Full backup and then talk to another 
 Master/Media Server for incremental backup over the WAN.  Can a NetBackup 
 client configured to talk ot multiple Master server?  IF so, what is the way 
 to configure it? 

 My Branch servers are all Win2003 Servers and have medium speed WAN link. Any 
 insight to the proposed solution would be much appreciated. I exhuasted 
 seraching NetBackup documentation and I could not find an answer (yes/No) to 
 my question. I hope Fourm members can anser to my question based on their 
 experience. Thanks
   
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Weird error 54/41

[Wayne T Smith]

Hi Marianne,

If you do a little client logging, I think you'll see the cause.

The last time this happened to me, I forgot to set vnetd on the backup 
server client attributes. Scheduled fs backups worked fine ... the DB 
agent backups would do just what you have shown us. (The logging showed 
it tried to connect on a high-numbered port, rather than 137xx).

cheers, wayne

Marianne Van Den Berg wrote, in part, on 2008-02-12 5:46 AM:

 Hi all

 We have Oracle rman backups failing with Network Connect Timeout.

 Filesystem backups are working fine.

 Weird thing is we can see in Job details ‘Connecting, Connected’:

 02/12/2008 10:32:29 - *connecting*

 02/12/2008 10:32:40 - *connected*; connect time: 0:00:00

 02/12/2008 10:32:40 - begin writing

 02/12/2008 11:32:41 - end writing; write time: 1:00:01

 *network connection timed out* (41)

 Handshaking in bpcd on client and bpbrm on media server is successful.

 I have now increased Client Read Timeout to 7200. Backup ‘Active’ for 
 1 hr 54 minutes already – still not a single byte written….

 Backups on this client have been successful till about 3 weeks ago. 
 NetBackup 6.0 MP4 on server and client.

 RMAN backups on the client to local disk start writing almost immediately.

 RMAN log on client :

 ORA-19511: Error received from media manager layer, error text:

 VxBSACreateObject: Failed with error:

 Server Status: Communication with the server has not been initiated or 
 the server status has not been retrieved from the server.

 PLEASE HELP!!

 Regards

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup Strategy

[Wayne T Smith]

Sure!   Investigate backing up to a disk appliance.  There are a number 
of vendors ... Data Domain might be a good place to start, as they have 
much of the market.

Since you do nightly full backups, they'll love you and you'll be 
impressed at what you can squeeze onto their disk (will vary with your 
data and each vendor).  

This isn't a no-cost solution, but I expect you will love the resulting 
system. *No* tape handling on backups or restores ... what will you do 
with all your spare time? ;-)

If you are considering differentials, consider cumulative 
incrementals first.  More data is backed up, but restores may be 
faster.  Also, with either type of incremental backup, how much you can 
fit on a tape depends on your data.  If a few small files change ... 
little tape; if a few huge files change ... maybe an incremental is 
close to a full!

cheers, wayne (who knows a bit about NetBackup, but doesn't even know 
how to spell BackupExec, let alone whether it can backup to disk).

Bockert, Patrick wrote, in part,  on 2008-01-03 2:22 PM:

 Greetings,

 I'm looking for assistance in creating a new backup strategy for a 
 number of servers that are currently being backed up nightly with a 
 full backup. Until now the backups were running fine, but the problem 
 is that the backup's are now requiring a second tape to complete and 
 over the weekend there is no one available to swap tapes.

 Our current retention of the daily tape is 30 days and the monthly are 
 kept for a year. My first inclination is to schedule a weekly full 
 with differentials for the remainder of the week. Instead of 14 tapes 
 per week, I could maybe get by with 3. The full backup would still 
 require 2 tapes but if the differentials could be appended to the same 
 tape I could maybe leave the tape in for the rest of the week. Then 
 start the rotation with another set of 3 tapes with four sets in all.

 Specifically I'm utilizing Veritas BackupExec to backup HP Proliant 
 servers to super DLT Tape.

 I'm looking for a simple solution that may result in less time and 
 tapes to implement.

 Does anyone have a suggestion?

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[Veritas-bu] SnapVault for NetBackup

[Wayne T Smith]

Symantec/NetApp are pitching SnapVault for NetBackup (a NetBackup 6.0 
option ... I'm interested in the 6.5 incarnation, if that matters) as 
part of my new and improved D2D2D backup and recovery strategy. 

I've had the marketing pitch and fear I have the glazed eyes of a deer 
looking into headlights ... could anyone give a synopsis here of what it 
does? Pros and cons?

Do any of you readers use this?  Care to discuss your experiences?

Thanks and cheers, wayne


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Report Client version

[Wayne T Smith]

There was a good discussion of this 6 months or a year ago on this list 
(search the archives).

With some versions and some platforms, one can use bpgp to find the 
NetBackup client or agent version. For example, many  versions of 
Netbackup might use a default /usr/openv/netbackup/bin/version or 
/C/Program Files/VERITAS/NetBackup/bin/version.txt to hold the client 
version.

Did Symantec put anything into v6.5 to  make this easy/direct?

cheers, wayne

Ben Linkon wrote:

 Does anyone have a way to report on the installed client version for 
 all clients in a Windows environment?


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Newbie netbackup request

[Wayne T Smith]

My guess is backup_exit_notify.

cheers, wayne

habscout wrote, in part:
 I'm assisting a Netbackup administrator, and we have an output file that 
 appears to be generated from Netbackup but we cannot tell which command is 
 doing it.  The Netbackup version is 5.0 and this is running on a Solaris 9 
 server. Here's a sample of the output:

 2007-09-05 client1 nbuserver1 Workstations Full 0 0
 2007-09-05 client1 nbuserver1 DNS1 Incremental 0 0

 Can someone please tell me which command produces this output ?
   
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Timechange problem with NBU or something else?

[Wayne T Smith]

Yes, I had a similar problem with 5.1.

I use calendar schedules and fulls had been completed Saturday.  There 
were two types of NetBackup schedule failure that I found.

* Incrementals that finished during 1-2 am then ran a full (there was a 
catch-up window, but none should have run because they ran successfully 
the previous day).
* A number of my Oracle DB incrementals, all with a window later in the 
(DST ending) day, should have had a scheduled incremental, but none 
happened. 

Maybe NetBackup doesn't like 25 hour days. :-(

cheers, wayne


A Darren Dunham wrote, in part,  on 2007-11-05 8:16 PM:
 Anyone have any scheduler issues with NBU this weekend?

 My Linux 6.0MP4 master server had a hiccup.  Almost every policy I have
 is calendar based, with full backups scheduled for the last day of the
 month or the 15th of the month.

 This morning I came in and discovered that the backups that were started
 on Sunday the 4th included a great number of 'full' schedules.  This
 really ripped into the tape usage, and I have no idea why they got
 scheduled.  

 I wonder if some part of the scheduler was trying to cope with the local
 timezone change from daylight saving time that day

   
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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU Vaulting: Status 50

[Wayne T Smith]

I get a few of these (v5.1MP6), mostly during high-load situations.  
Inevitably, the status 50 Duplicate job has this in (the middle of) its log:

Warning bpduplicate ... failure logging message to client ... in log
...: can't connect to client (58)


cheers, wayne

dy018 wrote, in part,  on 2007-10-01 3:58 AM:
 Anyone here encounter status 50 (client process aborted) during Vaulting?
   
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Tapeless backup environments?

[Wayne T Smith]

Yes, we are in the middle of this (trying to replace D2T2T with D2D2D) 
process now.

What I am seeing is that while disk media costs more than tape per TB, 
de-duplication is the difference-maker, the enabler, making extra weeks 
or months retention of D2D data inexpensive. Buy another appliance for 
off-site replication, and only changes, not full backups, are 
essentially moved between sites, causing much lower volume of 
transmission. Kind of like running an rsync after previously 
rsyncing. Good news that all vendors I've seriously looked at make 
this automatic and great news is that one might expect NetBackup will be 
able to see and use the replicated site directly (soon).

I'm not a fan of VTL, so we are not looking at VTL. Your situation may vary.

Disk-to-disk backup planning is not a simple exercise, however, as 
features, operations and even terminology varies substantially from 
vendor to vendor.

The state of the art does seem much more mature than even a couple of 
years ago. All vendors we're seriously looking at know their competition 
and will make very substantial discounting from list prices. Proper 
sizing has been a chore, as each vendor tries to minimize the cost of 
their proposal.

Although we have not made final decisions, I find the Data Domain 
backup appliance offerings superb (though we have not yet had an on-site 
trial).

On the other hand, we have a lot of NetApp primary disk, and so the 
NetApp backup offerings are interesting for their support/use of 
snapshots and integration with NetBackup ($$$ features on both NetApp 
and Symantec sides). Technically speaking, though, NetApp NearStore used 
as a simple disk backup appliance does not appear to stack up to the 
Data Domain offerings.

Which solution is best for us has yet to be determined for my 
approximately 10TB site.

All of the D2D2D solutions we've studied and have been proposed to us 
would entail significantly more capital outlay than simply adding some 
staging disk and getting more modern tape drives for our L700, but the 
performance, scalability and automation levels of D2D2D are very exciting.

Hope this helps! (please do post your experiences)

cheers, wayne

Jeff Lightner wrote, in part, on 2007-09-21 9:43 AM:

 Yesterday our director said that he doesn’t intend to ever upgrade 
 existing STK L700 because eventually we’ll go tapeless as that is what 
 the industry is doing. The idea being we’d have our disk backup 
 devices here (e.g. Data Domain) and transfer to offsite storage to 
 another disk device so as to eliminate the need for ever transporting 
 tapes.

 It made me wonder if anyone was actually doing the above already or 
 was planning to do so?



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Re: [Veritas-bu] Oracle backup started to give statsu 6

[Wayne T Smith]

Perhaps ...

  * Link  NetBackup for Oracle in to Oracle (NBU Agent install step).
  * (Consider) switch to manual controlfile backup with
|* RMAN configure controlfile autobackup off;
* RMAN backup current controlfile;
  * Put RMAN's and NBU's catalogs in sync with crosscheck.

If I were to make a guess, the problem is more on the NBU side than the 
Oracle side and I'd start with Symantec support (over Oracle support).

cheers, wayne
|
Michael Graff Andersen wrote, in part,  on 2007-09-11 3:26 AM:
 Hi

 We have a oracle backup that has started to give status 6, the problem
 seems to be when RMAN do the autobackup of the controlfile

 From the RMAN log:
 Starting Control File Autobackup at 11-SEP-07
 released channel: t1
 released channel: t2
 RMAN-00571: ===
 RMAN-00569: === ERROR MESSAGE STACK FOLLOWS ===
 RMAN-00571: ===
 RMAN-03009: failure of Control File Autobackup command on t1 channel
 at 09/11/2007 09:19:52
 ORA-19506: failed to create sequential file,
 name=c-4090293236-20070911-08, parms=
 ORA-27027: sbtremove2 returned error
 ORA-19511: Error received from media manager layer, error text:
Failed to remove, c-4090293236-20070911-08, from image catalog.

 Recovery Manager complete.


 From the dbclient log:
 09:03:27.409 [5732.6496] 16 VxBSAQueryObject: ERR - dbc_get_string()
 failed 133
 09:03:27.409 [5732.6496] 16 xbsa_QueryObject: ERR -
 VxBSAQueryObject: Failed with error:
Server Status:  invalid request
 09:03:27.409 [5732.6496] 16 int_RemoveImage: ERR - Failed to remove,
 c-4090293236-20070911-05, from image catalog.

 09:03:27.800 [5732.6496] 4 sbtend: INF - --- END of SESSION ---
 09:03:27.800 [5732.5464] 4 sbtend: INF - --- END of SESSION ---


 Any ideas/suggestions ?

 Regards
 Michael
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Exclude List Issue

[Wayne T Smith]

Perhaps you have a blank at the end of the folder name?

Are you expecting the all policies items to be used when a specific 
policy/schedule entry is available?  I'm not saying how it works, just 
asking ;-)

Actually, I'm surprised that the *\qmgr* and temp entries work as 
you expect.  You may find the vendor document 267716 useful.

cheers, wayne

Anthony Baldini wrote, in part:
 Greetings.

 I am having difficulty getting an exclude list to, well...exclude.
 The server SRV02, is part of two separate polices SRV02_DATA and 
 WINDOWS_SERVERS.
 SRV02_DATA is used to backup the servers data drives: E: F: H: I:
 WINDOWS_SERVERS is used to backup the OS and System State.

 Listed below are the exclude lists in use.  One of the exclusions that is not 
 working properly is H:\Installs.
 Short version: I want to exclude the Installs directory on the H drive.
 ...
 Exclude = *\qmgr*
 Exclude = *\Temp\*
 Exclude = *\TEMP\*
 ...
 Exclude = H:\Installs
 Exclude = I:\Archived
 ...
   
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Recycle Backup Logs

[Wayne T Smith]

The number of days to keep logs is a NetBackup setting.  One way to set 
the number is via the Admin Console ... navigate to

NetBackup Management - Host Properties - Master Servers, right
click on your master and select Properties, and finally click
Global Attributes.  The Keep logs value may be set on this
display.  Note also that the Logging display sets the detail level
of logging.  Even at level 0, logging can be large ... it gets
downright huge at non-zero levels.

To log nothing, remove the log directories.

cheers, wayne

dgrabs03 wrote, in part,  on 2007-08-01 4:23 AM:
 Hi, logs on my Netbackup is growing rapidly on the following

 /usr/openv/netbackup/logs/bpbrm and
 /usr/openv/netbackup/logs/bptm

 I notice also 3 logs with the same date is active. It is supposed to be 1 
 active log per day and 1 active, right?

 1. How do I recycle these logs to avoid a filesystem full issue?
 2. How do I correct that 1 active log and not 3 logs?

 My environment is NBU 5.1 with MP5 running on Solaris 9
   
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Full Oracle Recovery - NetBackup 6.0 MP4 on Windows - Oracle 8.1.7 on UNIX

[Wayne T Smith]

A few points for note or discussion ...

* The shutdown immediate and startup mount (or even startup 
nomount) have certain requirements.  Depending on what you are trying 
to test (what you have lost), your test may or may not be successful.

* Since you don't have a recovery catalog, RMAN will be getting its 
information from one of your controlfiles.  Your restore cannot proceed 
without that controlfile information.

* The resetlogs is not necessary if you are able to recover to present 
time.  If you can't/don't do a complete recovery to present time, then 
you now have a new DB in which the old logs are no longer valid.  Make 
sure to do a new full backup immediately, as the history of the old logs 
is no longer available (or valid) in the controlfiles.

Using a recovery catalog gives you a few more options along with another 
copy of your information critical to recovery.

cheers, wayne

Mike Kiles wrote, in part,  on 2007-08-02 9:44 AM:
 I am planning to test a full restore of Oracle
 database which is backed up using RMAN (no RMAN
 catalog). We do full backup on weekend and cumm
 incremental during weekdays. The RMAN backup script
 backs up the datafiles, archive logs and in the end it
 backs up the control file.

 Here are the steps that I am planning to use. If you
 have any additions/deletions please do let me know:

 Login as oracle user
 $ svrmgrl
 SVRMGR  connect internal
 SVRMGR  shutdown immediate
 SVRMGR  startup mount

 Launch RMAN by 'rman target user/passwd nocatalog'
 RMAN run {
  allocate channel t1 type SBT_TAPE;
  restore database;
  recover database;
  release channel t1;
  }

 RMAN exit

 $ svrmgrl
 SVRMGRL connect internal
 SVRMGRL alter database open 

 In my opinion that should cover it all. I also read
 that you should use 'alter database open resetlogs' if
 doing a full recovery. Is that needed? 
 Any other suggestions?

 TIA




 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Schedule coordination question

[Wayne T Smith]

Windows crossing midnight ... kind of like the GhostBusters crossing 
streams ... not healthy.

cheers, wayne

dbwallis wrote, in part,  on 2007-08-02 5:02 PM:
 Greenberg, Katherine (... wrote:
   
 It will do it by default, based on the backup that has not run in the
 longest time being run first.


 http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/268644.htm

 


 This is what I see happening:

 The full backup window is 8:00 am Tuesday to 8:00 am Wednesday. Daily 
 incrementals run from 6:00 pm to 6:00 am daily.

 The full backups kick off at the scheduled time. 6:00 pm rolls around, and 
 since the fulls are still running, the incrementals queue up. They don't 
 actually start running until sometime early Wednesday. Come 6:00 Wednesday 
 night, some incrementals are still running, and some of the Wednesday night 
 incrementals get delayed, and sometimes it takes days for everything to get 
 caught up.

 SInce there isn't much need to run a full and incremental on the same file 
 system at the same time, I'd prefer just to skip the incrementals on Tuesday 
 (and Wednesday too, for that matter, since the full backups can run into 
 Wednesday sometimes) to avoid this problem.
   
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Schedule coordination question

[Wayne T Smith]

Of course!   Frequency-based backups don't care about midnight.

No joke, if I was recalling my previous post on Calendar-base backups, 
though. ;-)

cheers, wayne

Curtis Preston wrote, in part,  on 2007-08-02 5:39 PM:
 You meant that as a joke, right?  Almost all of my windows cross
 midnight.
   
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Re: [Veritas-bu] VTL and Tape or SnapVault.

[Wayne T Smith]

You might want to look at the new NetApp options in NBU v6.5.

NetApp and Symantec seemed to have found a pot of gold in this NetApp 
data backup area.  I recently asked for a quote on a NetApp (backup 
disk) solution to backup one of our 3050 boxes ... and they came up with 
a proposal that included a box bigger than the 3050 loaded shelves of 
disk and an abundance of software licenses.  It *seemed* that NetBackup 
couldn't see what files were changed in the incremental snapshot 
changes, so at the moment I'm underwhelmed.

At this point in time, I like the simplicity of disk backup devices with 
inline dedup and internal function to long-term protect the backups 
(Data Domain seems to have the right idea to me).  The NetBackup 
catalog will get large ... but doing away with tape seems a positive, 
not a negative, to me.

This is a very interesting area and I'd love to read discussion from all 
of you.

cheers, wayne

Kenny wrote, in part,  on 2007-07-26 11:39 PM:
 I have a large NetApp environment and I am looking for a new strategy for 
 backing up my filers. I am trying to decide between using SnapVault 
 technology or a VTL with tape. 

 I am fortunate to be able to replicate all my primary filers to a remote 
 location. From there I want to protect the data. I have a 7 year retention 
 policy for my data. I was thinking of protecting 14 days online, then only 
 monthly's for 7 years.

 I rarely do restores and most of the data is  flat files. 

 With SnapVault I am able to transfer data to NearStore. It takes an initial 
 baseline copy, like a full backup, then it it would only snap the 
 incremental changes at the block level. I am thinking that this would be very 
 fast for daily backups and I could eliminate tape. 

 The alternative would be to use my existing NetBackup software to backup each 
 filer via NDMP to a VTL. From the VTL I would apply the same retention. 14 
 days in the VTL then monthly's to tape for 7 years.

 I do not have to takes tape offsite since I am the primary copy is 300 miles 
 away. 

 So I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this. I am concerned 
 with SnapVault since it is all disk and corruptions may happen. It also has a 
 limitation of 251 snaps. That should not be a problem with my retention 
 policy, but my requirements may change? Also what would happen if I lost the 
 initial baseline copy, does that mean that all the incremental snaps are 
 worthless?

 Unfortunately if I go with SnapVault, economically I will not be able to use 
 tape or Netbackup, so at that point I would not have the security of tape. 

 So VTL and Tape or SnapVault.

 Thanks in advance for your help.

 Pat

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Oracle 8 Backup - NBU6.0 MP4

[Wayne T Smith]

I'd add a 4th possibility ... RMAN backup to disk which is then (NBU 
user) backed up.  Agent not required. (I'd much rather have the NBU 
Agent, but it may be cost prohibitive).  I have a couple of Oracle 8 DBs 
backed up this way.

Also, someone (I think in this thread) mentioned you needed an Oracle 
repository to use RMAN.  Not true ... Oracle will maintain the data in 
the control files if you don't use a repository (the nocatalog 
parameter on the RMAN command).

RMAN is your friend.  In my limited experience, you are much more likely 
to have a restorable backup if you used RMAN than any other method 
(unless you actually test restores).  Like it or not, if you're being 
asked to protect the DB, you're the/a DBA.  RMAN may simplify the backup 
process, in addition to, as Curtis explains, the (shudder) restore process.

Finally, consider creating a test DB so you can build and test your 
backup and restore without impacting or accidentally impacting your 
production.

cheers, wayne

Jeff Lightner wrote, in part:
 In summary I was discussing 3 different things:

 Cold backup 
 DB down - NBU standard backup of the filesystem(s) or raw device(s)
 containing DB spaces.

 Hot backup
 DB in hot backup mode - NBU standard backup of the filesystems(s) or
 raw devices(s).

 RMAN backup
 DB up - RMAN feeding the backup to NBU with Oracle add on using RMAN
 repository and RMAN/NBU-ORACLE scripts.
   
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Re: [Veritas-bu] retentions

[Wayne T Smith]

I, too, agree the 2-week retention should be addressed ... quite risky. 

A few thoughts ...

I recently tested Aptare StorageConsole and one of its out-of-the-box 
displays is close what you're looking for, I think.  When we obtain a 
license, I'll be discarding many scripts ... one of which sort of 
applies here.  The script  looks at all full images for all clients and 
reports the most recent full backup for each client, ordered by oldest 
first.  Look at the top of the list for clients in distress.

This is simple and works great for clients with one image holding 
everything.  It isn't nearly good enough for clients using multiple 
streams or clients that also have Exchange/Oracle/etc images in addition 
to file system images.  I've started more than once to approximate 
proof we are successfully backing up at least what we intend.  So far 
I have a bunch of failed attempts that would have worked for simple 
cases, but failed miserably in multitudes of ways.

The best answer for us has always seemed to be getting accurate, 
succinct information in front of the eyes of someone who understands it 
and cares.  But even that is not enough sometimes.  Your idea of keeping 
the last full has promise, but you'll need a process to get rid of the 
images once you really don't want them ... plus, if your data is on 
tape, you'll probably require more media, as tape occupancy goes down 
due to the retention-extended images living alone.

cheers, wayne

Brandon Zermeno wrote, in part,  on 2007-07-19 6:50 PM:

 We had an issue where was server was down for over 2 weeks and the 
 last full backups expired. The retention for this environment is 2 
 weeks. After the tapes expired the App team decided they wanted to 
 restore. Now management wants Veritas to extend the retention period 
 automatically if a full is not successfully run. I do not know of any 
 company that has this capability so I am looking for ideas. I do not 
 think it would be possible for a person to manually track all the 
 servers and their last full and then manually bpexpdate the images. I 
 have pushed back with the question of why was this server allowed to 
 be down for 2 weeks but nobody is answering.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] A Better Way?

[Wayne T Smith]

Rather than mess with volume labels, why not use one of the fields that 
Vault would have used?

Even using the tape description field would be better than messing with 
the bar code field ... but maybe I don't understand what you're trying 
to do.

cheers, wayne

Brooks, Jason wrote, in part,  on 2007-07-03 9:24 AM:
 I'm working on our scripting that automates some NBU functions.  One thing
 we currently do is keep a list of exported tapes (don't use vault and do our
 own offsite storage).  One thing I'm looking at doing is appending the
 Volume Pool to the tape barcode in the file.  That way, we can make sure all
 the usual suspects are running.

 From what I know and what I've found, the only way to do this is with
 vmquery -m MEDIAID.  The output, however, is not what I'm looking for.  I
 can work around it, but is there a terser output that anyone knows of?  Or
 another way to get the pool for a particular tape?

 Thanks,
 Jason

 
 Jason Brooks
 Computer Systems Engineer
 IITS - Longwood University
 voice - (434) 395-2034
 fax - (434) 395-2035
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade question

[Wayne T Smith]

I have no idea.  But I thought I would mention that my plan to upgrade 
from 5.1-6.0 is to avoid the upgrade.  This will be possible in my case 
because (1) we don't keep long term backups and (2) we're installing a 
new (Linux) server to replace our aging (Solaris) server.  We'll run in 
parallel for a time.  It's more work on the client end (to change backup 
server name(s)) and configuration end (licenses, policies, etc. must be 
reentered), but I *know* there will be no upgrade hassle and my new 
system will be independent of any strangeness that might be in my old 
catalog data.   Might work for you ... might not.

cheers, wayne

David McWilliams wrote, in part,  on 2007-06-28 1:10 PM:
 How successful will I be trying to go from 3.4 to 6?

 I assume I have to 3.4 - 4 - 5 - 6.
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Re: [Veritas-bu] RMAN redirect restore

[Wayne T Smith]

The (NetBackup v5.1) manual says no:

Using RMAN to Perform a Redirected Restore

Note The same user name (UNIX account) that was used for the Oracle
database backup must be used for the alternate client restore.

cheers, wayne

Evsyukov, Sergey wrote, in part,  on 2007-06-25 4:52 AM:
 is it possible to perform RMAN restore to different host to 
 _different_ unix user.
  
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Re: [Veritas-bu] [ORACLE] Backing up the Control File ...

[Wayne T Smith]

OK, I'll bite.

Yes, it is very important to have a control file backup!

I recommend you make the RMAN setting for control file auto-backup 
(CONFIGURE CONTROLFILE AUTOBACKUP ON;).  Then, your control file is 
automatically backed up with the DB, and if you lose your control file 
(or repository), it's a simple matter to RESTORE CONTROLFILE FROM 
AUTOBACKUP;.

However, you can still request explicit control file backup as you have 
done.  

As Steve suggested, view your RMAN log to see what happened.  Also, if 
the control file backup succeeded, there will be an entry in the DB 
alert log (at least there is with control file auto-backup on).  Also, 
use the RMAN LIST command to see items backed up.

Have you turned backup optimization on?  Doing so may cause RMAN to 
skip objects if they haven't changed since last backup.

cheers, wayne

Wilkinson, Alex wrote, in part,  on 2007-06-24 10:38 PM:
 Anyone ?

 Surely people are backing up their control files for Oracle ?
 If so ... can you tell me how you are confirming this via NB ?

  -aW


 0n Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 04:35:04PM +0800, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: 

 Hi all,
 
 Our RMAN template contains the following run block:
 
ALLOCATE CHANNEL ch00
TYPE 'SBT_TAPE';
SEND

 'NB_ORA_CLIENT=hostname.dsto.defence.gov.au,NB_ORA_POLICY=EDN-hostname-ORA,NB_ORA_SERV=hostname.dsto.defence.gov.au,NB_ORA_SCHED=Default-Application-Backup';
BACKUP
FORMAT 'ctlfile_%d_u%u_s%s_p%p_t%t'
CURRENT CONTROLFILE;
RELEASE CHANNEL ch00;
}
 
 The only modification to this template has been the FORMAT strings.
 
 The problem:
 
 We never see any evidence of the control file being backed via the 
 output of the
 FORMAT string 'ctlfile_%d_u%u_s%s_p%p_t%t' in NetBackup's activity 
 monitor.
 
 The Questions:
 
 1. From all my reading the Oracle policy type includes the control file.
Can someone please confirm this ?
 
 2. Why would we never see a string output of 
 'ctlfile_%d_u%u_s%s_p%p_t%t' even
though it has been defined within the RMAN template ?
 
 3. How can I confirm whether or not NetBackup is actually backing up the 
 control file ?
 ...
   
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Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 6.5 (was: Any takers yet?)

[Wayne T Smith]

I spoke with a NYC Symantec/NetBackup Systems Engineer yesterday.  He 
said (something close to) once 6.5 is available this Fall, there will be 
a direct upgrade from 5.1 (or 5.1MP6).  cheers, wayne

King, Cheryl wrote, in part,  on 2007-06-20 12:47 PM:
 Why do you say v5.1 MP6 first?  Sorry I've been away from the list for a long 
 time.  I know I'm out of touch but glad to be back.  You guys rock!

 -Original Message-
 From: Justin Piszcz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:31 AM
 To: King, Cheryl
 Cc: rcarlisle; Ed Wilts; WEAVER, Simon (external); 
 veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 6.5 (was: Any takers yet?)

 That is a good question.  BTW I'd suggest to upgrade to 5.1MP6 before 
 goign to 6.5, at least this is best practice.

 On Wed, 20 Jun 2007, King, Cheryl wrote:

   
 We're on Solaris v5.1 MP5.  Will we need to upgrade to 6.0 before going to 
 6.5?  Anyone know?

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rcarlisle
 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:37 AM
 To: 'Justin Piszcz'; 'Ed Wilts'
 Cc: 'WEAVER, Simon (external)'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 6.5 (was: Any takers yet?)


 6.0 Was a MAJOR rewrite of code that was long overdue.  I think issues were
 to be expected.  6.5 is a regular enhancement release so I don't expect you
 will see the same challenges as going to 6.0.  I think part of the delay in
 releasing the code was to make sure it was as stable as it could possibly be
 going out the door. If you are moving from 5.X to 6.5, there is still all
 the same pre-work that needs to be done to make sure the upgrade is
 successful however.



 Reneé Carlisle
 ServerWare Corporation





 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin
 Piszcz
 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:10 AM
 To: Ed Wilts
 Cc: 'WEAVER, Simon (external)'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 6.5 (was: Any takers yet?)

 Hopefully 6.5 won't be a nightmare like 6.0?  (until 6.0MP4 anyway)

 On Wed, 20 Jun 2007, Ed Wilts wrote:

 
 There have been lots of articles covering the announcement but 6.5 is not
 yet shipping.   You won't get any thoughts on how well it works until this
 fall (rumors have it that 6.5 will ship in August).



 There are certainly some nice features in 6.5.  One of the articles I read
 says that the BMR functionality is now included for free in 6.5 - it was
 separately licensed in 6.0.  The integration with VMware 3.0 is really
   
 cool
 
 stuff.



 http://www.byteandswitch.com/document.asp?doc_id=126335



   ./Ed



 --

 Ed Wilts,  RHCE, BCFP

 Mounds View, MN, USA

 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I GoodSearch for Bundles Of Love:
 http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=821118



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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER,
 Simon (external)
 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:25 AM
 To: 'veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu'
 Subject: [Veritas-bu] Any takers yet?



 http://esj.com/product_news/article.aspx?EditorialsID=1228



 Just wondered if anyone had any thoughts sounds promising!



 Regards

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 3rd Line Technical Support
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Looking for command to display NB Oracle Client Version ?

[Wayne T Smith]

On at least versions 4.5, 5.0 and 5.1, this gives the platform, version 
and maintenance pack level for the NetBackup for Oracle Agent.

If the same holds true for version 6.0 (I'm not there), your example 
would mean you have a version 6.0 NetBackup for Oracle Agent that has 
yet to be upgraded with an MP.

cheers, wayne

Wilkinson, Alex wrote, in part,  on 2007-06-20 5:03 AM:
 0n Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 02:14:24PM -0400, Wayne Smith wrote: 

  I use /usr/openv/share/version_oebu.

 erm, so what does this indicate about the component version of oracle:

#cat version_oebu
NetBackup-OEBU-Solaris8 6.0
   
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Bible for Storage Administrators

[Wayne T Smith]

There is no bible; the topic is too broad and in flux too much for their 
to be a bible, IMHO.

That written, I like (the four year old) Little  Chapa Wiley 
publication Implementing Backup and Recovery: The Readiness Guide for 
the Enterprise, as well as Preston's new O'Riley publication Backup 
and Recovery, not to be confused with his older work UNIX Backup and 
Recovery.

As Curtis Preston spends a considerable amount of his time here on this 
mailing list and on his backupcentral.com web site helping us smucks do 
a better job for our institutions, ... if you buy just one, buy Backup 
and Recovery. :-)

cheers, wayne

Angela Akridge wrote, in part,  on 2007-05-22 10:04 AM:

 Is there a bible for Storage Administrators? I'd like to learn about 
 all the best practices. Oreilly has a book about backups. Do you have 
 any recommendations?
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup 6.0 Tape rotation

[Wayne T Smith]

If your tapes start out in the off site group/pool, they will 
return/stay there once they expire. 

For example, my vault tapes start and stay in a volume pool named 
dup.  When Vault writes to a tape, the Vault job ejects the tape and 
moves it from a volume group I'll call home to a volume group I'll 
call away.  I do use a Scratch pool for normal backups, but, like you, 
not for my off site tapes.

Hope this helps, wayne

stoneb10 wrote, in part:
 I am new to using netbackup and have recently been tasked with completing the 
 setup of a new windows based environment.  I have however been having issues 
 with with the rotation of tapes in that.  The backup have been configured to 
 create two copies off all backups, one copy is sent to the onsite pool, the 
 other to offsite. Tapes are then ejected using a vault policy.  The tapes 
 offsite are on a two weekly cycle (monday1, monday2 etc) and are configured 
 with a two week retention period.  The issue I am having is that, when the 
 tapes come back from offsite storage and be re-inventoried back into the 
 library to be re-used, at the point where they reach expiration date\time, 
 the tapes are moved back into the scratchpool.  I do not want this to happen 
 as it makes management of the media very difficult with the 3rd party tape 
 storage comany. What I really need is for the tapes to be moved back into the 
 offsite pool so that the same tapes are used as the tapes that were used at !
 th!
  e previous point in the tape cycle.  I am more familiar with using bakupexec 
 and never had a problem however having difficulty doing the same i netbackup, 
 is the above by design or am i missing something (likely)


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Oracle temp files backup up slowly

[Wayne T Smith]

If this was Windows, I'd expect the disk is fragmented.

What is the nature of the disk space under these files?  Same disk or 
allocation as others or somehow separate?

Every writer on this list (that I've noticed) has been emphatic that MPs 
before MP4 have a myriad of problems.

cheers, wayne

Gravizi, Thomas wrote, in part,  on 4/18/2007 4:26 PM:

 Has anyone experienced Oracle temp.dbf files backing up extremely 
 slow?  All other .dbf files are backing up just fine, but when it gets 
 to the temp files, it bogs down.  We have 5 temp files, and those take 
 just over 5 hours to complete.  4 of the files are 8GB, and 1 is 5GB.  
 Anyone have any thoughts?  We are using NBU 6.0 MP3 and backing up on 
 fiber attached LTO3 tape drives.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup upgrade 5.1MP5 to 6.0MP4 problems

[Wayne T Smith]

 PS: I'm the kind of guy who doesn't really have time to read a 100 
 page installation manual, I'd like to do things fast !


... and now, I trust, you are re-evaluating!  Fast is good.  Fast means 
reading and understanding, so you do it once, right and best for your 
business.

cheers, wayne
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Problem recycling old CATALOG tapes

[Wayne T Smith]

You didn't mention which version of NetBackup you are using.  At least 
if you are using v5.1 or older, catalog tapes have a different format 
than NetBackup data tapes.  If you try to write data to a catalog tape, 
you receive the infamous it contains VERITAS NetBackup (tm) database 
backup data and cannot be used for backups.  

For this reason, I have a pool just for catalog tapes.  My catalog tapes 
do not go back to Scratch, as this will just gum-up the works.  When one 
of my catalog tapes expires, it just sits in its pool waiting to be reused.

As you have seen, frozen tapes stay frozen forever.  Justin showed you 
the way to unfreeze one of these frozen tapes.  This makes the tape 
available for use and discards any catalog entries for data that might 
be on the tape and not yet expired.  Because a frozen tape has been a 
party to some sort of bad event, I try to understand the problem and 
address it.  For example, I allow the data on the tape to expire, 
because it might be useful one day even though the tape has participated 
in a bad event.  Once expired, I run bpexpdate to remove the frozen 
status causing the tape to appear unused in my catalog pool (or data 
tape to revert to my Scratch pool).  I immediately do a quick erase or 
long erase, else if I don't have time, I change the tape to a separate 
pool used just to hold the tape until I can erase it.  If the erase goes 
well, the tape I give the tape a second chance and change it back to the 
pool from whence it came.

You didn't mention your NetBackup server operating system, but on 
Unix-like systems, there is a file important to the process of finding 
and handling bad tapes and tape drives:

/usr/openv/netbackup/db/media/errors

There's one line in that file for each tape event (not all events cause 
a frozen tape).  I err on the side of caution and if a tape is involved 
in an event, I freeze it (see the manual for syntax) and handle as 
above. Note that a tape can't be frozen if (1) it is currently mounted 
or (2) has no unexpired data.   If a drive seems to be involved in 
several events, I cause it to be cleaned (More than once if I'm 
considering service to the drive).  Warning: don't use your cleaning 
tapes for more than your drive manufacturer recommends.

I'll end by noting that the verbose version of the Media Summary 
report shows frozen and expired tapes ... that is, tapes that you or 
NetBackup have frozen and all of their image data have expired.

Hope this helps!   cheers, wayne
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Oracle RMAN Error 6 / Removing Files

[Wayne T Smith]

I can't help on what might have caused the problem, but I'd take a DB 
backup right away and then use RMAN crosscheck to straighten things 
out with RMAN/Oracle.  W/o a DB backup, archive redo logs after the 
missing files are worthless.

cheers, wayne

Martin, Jonathan (Contractor) wrote, in part,  on 3/6/2007 10:01 AM:
 I just got made aware of an issue I have yet to research fully but I 
 thought I would bounce it off the mob.  When backing up a development 
 RMAN / Oracle Database, two archive logs failed with error 6 - the 
 backup failed to back up the requested files(6).  Upon inspection, the 
 RMAN log listed the two files in the log as to be backed up, but the 
 files are physically not on the drive.  My DBA thinks that Netbackup 
 removed the archive logs before it backed them up.  Translated into 
 Netbackup, that means RMAN got the all clear to complete the backup 
 job (which normally removes the files) while in reality, Netbackup 
 failed to back two of them up.  This issue appears to coincide with 
 our 5.1 MP4 -- 6.0 MP4 upgrade.  The clients are still running 5.1 
 MP4.  Any ideas?  NBU Knowledge base has a few things on the error 6 
 but non look appropriate.
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Mysteriously down tape drives

[Wayne T Smith]

In case it's not obvious, it may be important to recall that DOWN is a 
NetBackup status, not an operating system or hardware state.  The robot 
and drive may be in perfect health, but still NetBackup may set the 
drive status to DOWN.

I'd first look in the (v5.1) error file.  On Unix servers this is 
/usr/openv/netbackup/db/media/errors ... probably similar in Win2003.

Then I'd look at the bptm logs.  See the troubleshooting guide for 
instructions on setting up logging, if not already setup.

cheers, wayne

Matt Ungaro wrote, in part,  on 2/20/2007 4:52 PM:
 System is Veritas Netbackup 5.1 MP6
 1 Master/Media server running on Windows 2003 standard edition, SP1
 Library is a Qualstar TLS-8466 with 4 drives. 2 LTOII that are 
 attached to our Fibre Channel SAN via a SCSI to fibre bridge, 2 LTOIII 
 that are directly fibre attached to our SAN. All are going through a 
 McData Spherion 4500.
  
 Seemingly random issue that is occuring is that on occasion our LTOIII 
 drives will be reported in Netbackup as down. What I am looking for 
 is, what are the correct Netbackup processes to activate logging on to 
 get some troubleshooting information? The drive doesn't report as 
 having any problems from the library's perspective, and there are no 
 error messages on the fabric switches. The Netbackup server is zoned 
 to each fibre port in the library individually, so there are 3 zones:
 Netbackup server to SCSI to fibre bridge (Controls robotic arm, and 2 
 LTOII drives)
 Netbackup server to LTOIII drive 1
 Netbackup server to LTOIII drive 2.
  
 We never have any issues with the LTOII drives or the robotic arm, but 
 the LTOIII drives go down for seemingly no reason whatsoever. Any 
 assistance with troubleshooting this issue is greatly appreciated. 
 Thanks in advance!
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Frozen tape characteristics?

[Wayne T Smith]

Frozen tapes can still be read. 

For example, my Frozen tapes are still selected by Vault for copying.  
The read of data off the Frozen tape is a restore of sorts.

Frozen is like Suspended (NetBackup will no longer write to it), except 
that it's sticky when the images on the tape expire.

Vault, at least v5.1 uses Suspend to help manage its output tapes.

cheers, wayne

Justin Piszcz wrote, in part,  on 2/16/2007 4:19 AM:
 Quick frozen tape question,

 I need to re-visit the docs.

 When a tape is frozen, no more backups can be written to it.
 When a tape is frozen and it is part of a restore, what happens?
 It says the media is unavailable or does it try to do the restore?

 Justin.
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Starting a backup job manually from remote?

[Wayne T Smith]

Through v5.1 there is nothing ... I don't know about 6.0.

I more or less have done what you are asking by creating a back-office 
web pages that do various functions on the master server. One of these 
functions is to start a manual backup.  The hardest part is securing 
the process.

cheers, wayne

Alexander Skwar wrote, in part,  on 1/9/2007 11:46 AM:
 Hello!

 With NetBackup 5.1 on a Solaris master server, is it somehow
 possible to start a backup policy manually from a remote client?

 What I'd like to do:

 I'd like to setup a Unix cron job somewhere (ie. not necessarily
 on the master server). This cron job should do some stuff (like
 populating a directory) and then make Veritas NetBackup start the
 backup and after the backup, it should cleanup the directory which
 has just been backed up. I fear that I cannot use the Veritas
 NetBackup scheduler (cf. thread Pre-/Post-Exec scripts with
 NetBackup 5.1?).

 Thanks a lot for any help,

 Alexander Skwar

 PS: If this message comes in twice: Sorry about that. I sent
 it through gmane about 2 hours ago, and it yet hasn't shown
 up :(
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Throttle network bandwidth

[Wayne T Smith]

This more-or-less works (v5.1, Solaris, at least) as advertised.  
Unfortunately, it takes a restart of the daemons to put the new values 
in production.  This meant I couldn't have office hours bandwidth 
limited and change or remove the limits overnight.  This did, however, 
allow us to backup over slow links without making the IP phone traffic 
on the same links sound awful ;-)

cheers, wayne

Martin, Jonathan (Contractor) wrote, in part,  on 1/3/2007 3:00 PM:
 In the admin console under Host Properties -- Master Server go to the 
 Bandwidth section.  You can specify From IP (or range) and set a 
 maximum speed.
  
 -Jonathan

 
 *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of 
 *David McWilliams
 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:33 PM
 *To:* NetBackup List
 *Subject:* [Veritas-bu] Throttle network bandwidth

 Can I throttle network bandwidth used between master/ slave server and 
 a client?

 -- 
 Sláinte,

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Re: [Veritas-bu] RMANs failing - (false) media errors

[Wayne T Smith]

RMAN has a timeout parameter that might help.  cheers, wayne

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, in part:
 Have you raised the CLIENT_READ_TIMEOUT and CLIENT_CONNECT_TIMEOUT values ?

 Raising these values have solved similar problems for me.


 On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 06:03:32 +1100, Jim McD wrote
   
 Hi

 I think RMAN agent backups fail if they have to wait for media

 Anybody else seen this behaviour or know of a fix?

 NBU= 5.1 MP3  MP5

 RMANs persistantly and randomly  failing due to media errors.  They seem to 
 
 occur on unix clients where the RMAN script does many databases in parallel.
   
 We don't have wintel oracle
 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity

[Wayne T Smith]

A retention level setting is programmable by you.  That is, you can make 
Level n be just about any amount of time you wish. 

If you need, for example, a 10-year retention, pick one of your unused 
levels and change its value to 10 years.  On the v5.1 Admin Console, 
this is done by choosing the property sheet for a master server under 
NetBackup Management/Host Properties.

cheers, wayne

WEAVER, Simon wrote, in part:
 */Regarding the retension setting under any schedule. After 1 year, 
 it moves from Infinity Level 9 to Level 24./*
 *//* 
 */Just what level should be used it you want to retain something for 
 say 10 years./*
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Bad Tape / Restore

[Wayne T Smith]

If your tape drive has a retention operation, you might try it on your 
tape of interest.

If a partial restore is useful, you might request restores of files 
*not* in the NetBackup fragment where you see the error.

cheers, wayne

Martin, Jonathan (Contractor) wrote, in part,  on 11/28/2006 11:05 AM:
 I'm running a restore of some critical data but it looks like the 
 tape is bad.  Is there anyway to tell Netbackup to continue the 
 restore ignoring the bad sections of the tape?  I've tried multiple 
 drives and each gives me the same restore incomplete error / fails 
 with a media read error.
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Oracle RMAN backups

[Wayne T Smith]

NetBackup is pretty weird in this area, IMHO.  In order to to have 
multiple retentions in one Oracle Agent policy, you need to have 
multiple application backup schedules, not just a default application 
backup schedule.

As with regular file system backups, separate policies are independent 
(except that your agent script probably erases archive redologs under 
some circumstances).

The archives of this mailing list are filled with advice on agent 
backups, how they work and how people use them. I recommend searching 
for posts of  Michael F. Lavelle for excellent information on the subject.

Everything I've written above applies to v5 ... I haven't moved to v6.0.

cheers, wayne

 I am going through the NetBackup for Oracle Admin
 guide, it mentions that you can have multiple
 schedules in the policy with different retention
 periods. That is you can have a FULL backup schedule
 with retention period of 1 year and an INCREMENTAL
 backup schedule with retention of 1 month.

 This may be new in NBU 6, but I remeber in NBU 5.x,
 the retention period that was always used was that of
 Default-Application-Backup schedule.

 So in my NBU 5.0 environment, I have ONE policy for
 FULL Oracle backup with 1 year retention and ONE
 Oracle policy for INCREMENTAL backups with 1 month
 retention. Each policy has 2 schedules in it, one of
 those is Default-Application-Backup schedule, both
 schedule have same retntion period, i.e. for FULL
 Backup policy retention period for both schedules is 1
 year and for INCREMENTAL policy retention period for
 both schedules is 1 month.

 So my question is, is it the same behaviour in NBU 6.0
 for Oracle and SQL backups, or it has changed.
   

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup, Networker, or CommVault Galaxy?

[Wayne T Smith]

Interesting.  A few years ago, I was in the reverse position.  I had 
TSM, but could not continue due to (my mainframe) platform.  I was the 
tech person and saw TSM vastly superior to NBU.  Decision makers and 
finances (deals were bountiful) meant a switch to NBU.

Now I know NBU well and can make it work fairly reasonably.  But even 
now it is not the product that TSM was a few years ago.  There are vast 
differences in how the two products work, so they are difficult to 
compare.  My biggest difference makers?   TSM can easily be made to run 
by itself for long periods of time, with confidence of your 
backup/restore capability/status and its SQL interface to *everything* 
from settings to logs to backed up file information.  3rd party products 
such as from Aptare may bring NBU up to the TSM level. 

Finally, I temper all this with the facts that I started NetBackup 4 
years ago and stopped looking at TSM 3 years ago.  Both TSM and NBU have 
great user support mailing lists. 3 years ago, TSM had significantly 
greater technical support people participating in the mailing list than 
NBU.  Recently, we've had a little Symantec participation here ... I 
find that significant and very much appreciate it!

Hope this helps someone!   cheers, wayne

smpt wrote, in part,  on 11/22/2006 5:16 AM:
 If you are a tech person and not the decision maker and you had a small demo
 of TSM, this is the decision you will make.
 TSM is working but the gui is terrible 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Royer
 Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:08 PM
 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup, Networker, or CommVault Galaxy?

 I'm curious why you ruled out TSM
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Re: [Veritas-bu] how to setup netbackup to bring oracle down for cold backup and then start it up

[Wayne T Smith]

(my response below ...)

Ed Wilts wrote:
 On 11/19/2006 7:52 AM, Krzys wrote:
   
 Hello everyone, I have a question, I am new to netbackup still and I am 
 doing 
 some progress. I did install on my linux boxes clients and now I am 
 sucessfuly 
 backing them up, now the next step that I want to try is to backup oracle. I 
 know that there are different ways of doing oracle backup but I was told by 
 my 
 DBa that previous admin was given stop and start scripts and he took care of 
 the 
 rest, but I have no idea how to use those stop and start scripts with 
 netbackup 
 to bring oracle down and then start after backup is completed. Anyone has 
 any 
 hints? WHen I looked up on the server side in policy settings I did see 
 options 
 for oracle rman backups but my DBa says that we dont use rman to back up any 
 databases... Where could I get more info? any one has any suggestions...
 

 Having NetBackup automatically stop and start Oracle is extremely 
 error-prone.  There will be times when the database will not start up 
 due to a variety of errors that can occur at various times of the backups.

 We don't use agents and I got called an hour ago by a DBA and we don't 
 even have stop/start scripts called by NetBackup!  He still thought it 
 was our fault that the database was down.

 Use an Oracle agent.  Seriously.

There are really two parts here.

AfaIk, without archive redologs, you must shutdown the DB in order to 
back it up, with or without the NetBackup for Oracle DB Agent. Your 
Oracle DBA should be able to tell you more for your particular 
installation.  This could be done in a client backup job start script 
(and then  the DB is restarted in a client backup job end script), but 
may fail at various points ... so you may find, as Ed has, that this is 
more bother/risky than the cost of having archive redologs.

Once you have archive redologs, you may backup your DB while it is 
online using Oracle RMAN.  If you don't have the NetBackup for Oracle DB 
Agent, your backup will go to disk, with NetBackup not backing up the 
DB, but rather the RMAN backup files. This could be done via cron/batch, 
or as a NetBackup client job start script.  

If you have the agent, then life gets really easy ... NetBackup invokes 
a script that you and/or your DBA write ... and that script invokes RMAN 
to backup directly to your NetBackup server.

The advantage of having the agent is that it is possible to determine 
that you actually can do a successful restore ... you can have RMAN 
crosscheck the backups it thinks it has (in the RMAN recovery catalog 
or DB control files) and that Netbackup has in its catalog.  In my 
experience, when RMAN starts a restore, it works.  If you are simply 
backing up DB files from a shutdown DB, you should be OK, but there is 
no guarantee you backed up or restored everything that is necessary for 
success. 

Hope this helps!   cheers, wayne
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Re: [Veritas-bu] installing client on linux

[Wayne T Smith]

Is your client in at least one Active NetBackup policy?

Krzys wrote, in part,  on 11/14/2006 3:47 PM:
 I am new to netbackup and strugling a bit with this whole concept etc.. I 
 always 
 used legato and just have small problems maitaining netbackup... Anyway I 
 installed networker client on my linux box, I configured bp.conf to point to 
 the 
 right server. I then added that client on server to a existing policy, but 
 when 
 policy gets executed that client is failing.

 So I started netbackup on my local client box and I wanted to backup /root 
 directory just for testing purposes and I do see job added to a queue on my 
 backup server, but its not executed.

 what did I miss? can I start backup localy on a client and have it executed 
 tight away? Why it is queued?

 when I look at job detail of that job that failed I get something like:
 access to the client was not allowed(59)

 I did double check that my client can talk to server by issuing:
 ./bpclntcmd -pn
 expecting response from server myserver
 myclient myclient 10.0.2.170 58925

   
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Oracle agent issue

[Wayne T Smith]

If you are using the Oracle agent, then you either have a template or 
script, or, I suppose you could type in the RMAN command by hand.  What 
is (or are) your RMAN command(s)?

David McWilliams wrote, in part,  on 10/30/2006 8:48 AM:
 I'm interactively backing up the database using the jbpSA GUI. It is 
 not cleaning away the temporary archive log files 
 (*.log_archive_dest='/usr/arc_temp/archive_log') after backup, and now 
 the filesystem is full. Any ideas? If I take down the database, can I 
 clean out this directory myself? I know this isn't an Oracle list, but 
 this is a small instance we have, with no DBA.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Fame at last.

[Wayne T Smith]

A couple of things come to mind with this article and the current 
discussion here:

  - Symantec has shown nothing to imply they might consider shutting 
down their forums or threaten or execute lawsuits.  Implying otherwise 
is, at least, unwarranted, IMHO.  In fact, Symantec, in this article, 
shows little or no interest at all ... in anything.

  - Mike Adams, Group Manager of Symantec for NetBackup, is quoted in 
the article.  Asked about Veritas v6.0 acceptance, he replies Anecdotal 
evidence is that there is good uptake,'.   I'd say we have anecdotal 
evidence that Veritas/Symantec pays more attention to the cash-cow for 
immediate stockholder gratification than its customers.  I prefer the 
legacy management method where the only thing more important than 
customer-driven is quality, where a new version is usable out of the 
box and impact of problems after the first update are minimal and touch few.

With articles such as this, perhaps Symantec marketing will realize they 
need a new feature that dramatically decreases the operational cost of 
NetBackup.  Design for high quality and ease of debugging problems would 
considerably lessen my inclination to look elsewhere.  What's yours?

cheers, wayne

Mansell, Richard wrote, in part,  on 9/6/2006 8:39 PM:
 I see some of you were also contacted by Sharon at Computerworld:-

 http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/090506-users-suffer-major-problems-with.html
  
   
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Permanently removing a tape from netbackup

[Wayne T Smith]

bpexpdate deletes the copy of the images that are on the specified tape 
(among other things) from the catalog.  There is no need to perform 
other steps if you are merely discarding the image copies from a tape.  
As others have written, the expired tape becomes available or expired 
and frozen.  If you no longer want NetBackup to see the tape, you 
delete it (vmdelete or the Admin Console), probably after ejecting it 
from your robot.

I then do into the GUI and delete the images is only necessary when 
you wish to discard other copies of the images that are/were on the tape.

In case it's not clear, none of the operations were discussing cause a 
tape to be mounted.

Hope this helps, wayne

Keith W wrote, in part,  on 8/24/2006 12:17 PM:
 Here is what I do, always seems to work for me.

 Expire the image, where A3 is the volume name.
 ./bpexpdate -ev A3 -d 0

 I then go into the GUI and delete the images, I do this because I am not
 sure how to do that part command line.
   
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