Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures

[mel hocken]

Who ever wrote this doesn't know their head from a hole in the ground
Regards
Mel
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jimmy D. Moore 
  To: Virtual Fly Box ; Fly Fishing World ; Hill Country Fly Fishers 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 7:56 AM
  Subject: [VFB] Flies vs lures


  Over the years we've had several discussions on what makes a fly a fly and a 
lure a lure. It's pretty well summed up below in a piece from Wikipedia.  



  If it takes a fly rod and fly line to cast it, it's a fly.  If it takes the 
weight of the lure to cast it, its a lure. Therefore fly rods cast flies and 
spinning / casting rods cast lures. In fly fishing, fish are caught by using 
artificial flies that are cast with a fly rod and a fly line. The fly line 
(today, almost always coated with plastic) is heavy enough in order to send the 
fly to the target. This is one of the main differences between spinning and 
bait rods, which use the weight of the lure  to cast lures, and a weight on the 
line to cast bait, etc  



  Artificial flies can vary dramatically in all morphological characteristics 
(size, weight, colour, etc.). Artificial flies are created by tying hair, fur, 
feathers, or other materials, both natural and synthetic, onto a hook with 
thread. The first flies were tied with natural materials, but synthetic 
materials are now very popular and prevalent. The flies are tied in sizes, 
colours and patterns to match local terrestrial and aquatic insects, baitfish, 
or other prey attractive to the target fish species.

  Casting - Flies vs Lures
  Unlike other casting methods, fly fishing can be thought of as a method of 
casting line rather than lure. Non-flyfishing methods rely on a lure's weight 
to pull line from the reel during the forward motion of a cast. By design, a 
fly is too light to be cast, and thus simply follows the unfurling of a 
properly cast fly line, which is heavier and tapered and therefore more 
castable than lines used in other types of fishing.

  to read the entire Wikipedia piece, click on the link below:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_fishing

 


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River Trout Unlimited,   North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus,
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Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique

[Don Ordes]

So a bead-nymph with beads glued in place is illegal?
Same for a hot-glue trout egg?
What about a coffee-bean beetle (epoxied to the hook)?

For every rule there's how many loopholes??

Buggs

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From: "George Vincent" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique


Actually that is not quite true, Pennsylvania requires that "fishing be 
done

with artificial flies and streamers constructed of natural or synthetic
materials, so long as all flies are constructed in a normal fashion on a
single hook with components wound on or about the hook. Anything other 
than

these items is prohibited."

page 12 2009 Pennsylvania Fishing Summary

Steelhead flies are a perfect example, e.g. crystal meth. My steelhead fly
box hasn't got one fly made of natural materials.

George Vincent

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RE: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique

[J Balmer]

Crystal Meth is illegal in Illinois:)

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Actually that is not quite true, Pennsylvania requires that "fishing be done
with artificial flies and streamers constructed of natural or synthetic
materials, so long as all flies are constructed in a normal fashion on a
single hook with components wound on or about the hook. Anything other than
these items is prohibited."
 
page 12 2009 Pennsylvania Fishing Summary 
 
Steelhead flies are a perfect example, e.g. crystal meth. My steelhead fly
box hasn't got one fly made of natural materials.
 
George Vincent

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RE: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique

[George Vincent]

Actually that is not quite true, Pennsylvania requires that "fishing be done
with artificial flies and streamers constructed of natural or synthetic
materials, so long as all flies are constructed in a normal fashion on a
single hook with components wound on or about the hook. Anything other than
these items is prohibited."
 
page 12 2009 Pennsylvania Fishing Summary 
 
Steelhead flies are a perfect example, e.g. crystal meth. My steelhead fly
box hasn't got one fly made of natural materials.
 
George Vincent

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Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers

[Anthony Spezio]

Another good idea.
Tony

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From: Martin Westbeek 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 1:16 PM


Meddelande
 
 

Ok, nice topic. 
Here is my shot at a better mousetrap: 
my favorite dubbing dispenser. 
It's sawn out of channel plates, which are 
polyacrylate plates used for transparent roofs over terraces and 
such.
They are double walled plates with ribs 
dividing the plate into channels. The plate is 0.25" thick and the channels are 
0,4" wide.
Just saw the plate (they come in 40" x 40") to size 
(my dispensers are about 5" x 4") and voila. 
Each of those channels packs the same amount of 
dubbing as one of the compartments in the compartment boxes we all 
know.  
IMO the perfect box for traveling fly 
tiers.
Mart
 

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[VFB] Off subject, but Very Special- something to think about

[Don Ordes]

Time to consider what you have...

www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=9xwCG0Ey2Mg 




 

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Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers - FYI

[Rene Zillmann]

Hi,
Another idea, which I saw somewhere in a book: larger plastic straws,
filled with dubbing and cut to an angle at the end are nice too. But
didn't tried it so far.
Marts recommendation is great. Will look in our handy market here for
these roofs.
Rene

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Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique

[The Smiths]

Well its been few years since I have needed to buy a license so the last reg 
booklet I read may have been 2004 things do change.
Gary S.
  - Original Message - 
  From: George E Vincent 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:34 PM
  Subject: RE: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique


  Actually that is not quite true, Pennsylvania requires that "fishing be done 
with artificial flies and streamers constructed of natural or synthetic 
materials, so long as all flies are constructed in a normal fashion on a single 
hook with components wound on or about the hook. Anything other than these 
items is prohibited."

  page 12 2009 Pennsylvania Fishing Summary 

  Steelhead flies are a perfect example, e.g. crystal meth. My steelhead fly 
box hasn't got one fly made of natural materials.

  George Vincent



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  It might not not pass the test of being a fly here in Penna. The Penna code 
requires that most of the fly must be made of natural materials. Not man made 
rubber or plastics.
  Gary S.
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From: Wes Wada 
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique


It also resembles a lot of the bass bugs used on a fly rod.  :)   


The fly is tied for initial use at Davis Lake in the Oregon Cascades.  This 
is a fishery that used be prime for big rainbows until illegally planted 
largemouths took over.  There are bucketmouths there in the 6-7 pound range, 
and the fly fishers are intent to remove as many as possible (losing cause).  
The frog will see a lot of action starting in April.


re: Mike Bliss's question.  The big rainbows at Sugar Creek Ranch can be 
enticed by a popper fly, but that is half the size of these bugs.  Not sure 
what reaction I will get until these are fished this season.  It might help to 
scale them down in size. The three green frogs are literally the first three 
taken to a finished state in this project.


Wes





On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Joyce Westphal  wrote:

  I don't think I'd call this a fly. I'd call it a synthetic lure as it 
resembles many of the bass bugs I use on a spinning rod. Joyce 



  On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Michael Bliss  
wrote:

Wes,

These look great but the real question is have you fished them and have 
they caught those big trout you shared with us on-line?

Mike 



On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Wes Wada  wrote:

  Hi You All,


  I mentioned in a previous post that I have been very busy and involved
  with fly tying.

  For the last year and a half, I've developed a style and technique of
  tying using kids' modeling "clay" -- Crayola brand's Model Magic -- as
  a basis for new fly patterns.  These have included an October Caddis
  pupa, a Field Cricket, and a Dragonfly Nymph.

  Attached are the first three Green Frogs, in the order that they were 
created.

  Materials are: white moldable foam, polypropylene yarn, rubber legs,
  and various flash materials.  Coloring is acrylic paint and art
  marker.  The eyes are created with fabric paint.  All of this is
  mounted on a large stinger hook. The space behind the eye of the hook
  is where a new type of weed guard will be tied in.  There are a good
  number of ideas going into this fly.


  The frog's legs are springy and hold their shape, and you can make the
  shapes surprisingly fast. The legs are shaped with a simple jig I've
  invented.

  The body length, not including the legs, is 2 inches.  The fly is
  lightweight, a tenth of an ounce.


  I've developed a technique that solidly anchors the hook in the
  hardened foam.  That's been battled tested.


  I make about five frogs at a time, mass producing all the parts.
  Assembly is very quick.  The bodies are all quite similar, as they are
  all made at the same time, using the same tools. The basic shape is
  still "in progress".  The variety of legs possible is a heap of fun.

  Coloring can take as long as you want.  These are early prototypes, so
  I didn't spend a whole lot of time coloring them, maybe three minutes
  each.


  Green Frog is the name of a common pond frog.


  These are hand-held digital photos.  I will be redoing the shots later
  with studio equipment. Also, the fly is still evolving, and who knows
  what it will be like or look like in a month or two.


  Hope you

RE: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique

[George E Vincent]

Actually that is not quite true, Pennsylvania requires that "fishing be done
with artificial flies and streamers constructed of natural or synthetic
materials, so long as all flies are constructed in a normal fashion on a
single hook with components wound on or about the hook. Anything other than
these items is prohibited."
 
page 12 2009 Pennsylvania Fishing Summary 
 
Steelhead flies are a perfect example, e.g. crystal meth. My steelhead fly
box hasn't got one fly made of natural materials.
 
George Vincent

  _  

From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of The Smiths
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:22
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique


It might not not pass the test of being a fly here in Penna. The Penna code
requires that most of the fly must be made of natural materials. Not man
made rubber or plastics.
Gary S.

- Original Message - 
From: Wes Wada   
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique

It also resembles a lot of the bass bugs used on a fly rod.  :)   

The fly is tied for initial use at Davis Lake in the Oregon Cascades.  This
is a fishery that used be prime for big rainbows until illegally planted
largemouths took over.  There are bucketmouths there in the 6-7 pound range,
and the fly fishers are intent to remove as many as possible (losing cause).
The frog will see a lot of action starting in April.

re: Mike Bliss's question.  The big rainbows at Sugar Creek Ranch can be
enticed by a popper fly, but that is half the size of these bugs.  Not sure
what reaction I will get until these are fished this season.  It might help
to scale them down in size. The three green frogs are literally the first
three taken to a finished state in this project.

Wes



On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Joyce Westphal  wrote:


I don't think I'd call this a fly. I'd call it a synthetic lure as it
resembles many of the bass bugs I use on a spinning rod. Joyce 


On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Michael Bliss  wrote:


Wes,

These look great but the real question is have you fished them and have they
caught those big trout you shared with us on-line?

Mike 


On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Wes Wada  wrote:


Hi You All,


I mentioned in a previous post that I have been very busy and involved
with fly tying.

For the last year and a half, I've developed a style and technique of
tying using kids' modeling "clay" -- Crayola brand's Model Magic -- as
a basis for new fly patterns.  These have included an October Caddis
pupa, a Field Cricket, and a Dragonfly Nymph.

Attached are the first three Green Frogs, in the order that they were
created.

Materials are: white moldable foam, polypropylene yarn, rubber legs,
and various flash materials.  Coloring is acrylic paint and art
marker.  The eyes are created with fabric paint.  All of this is
mounted on a large stinger hook. The space behind the eye of the hook
is where a new type of weed guard will be tied in.  There are a good
number of ideas going into this fly.


The frog's legs are springy and hold their shape, and you can make the
shapes surprisingly fast. The legs are shaped with a simple jig I've
invented.

The body length, not including the legs, is 2 inches.  The fly is
lightweight, a tenth of an ounce.


I've developed a technique that solidly anchors the hook in the
hardened foam.  That's been battled tested.


I make about five frogs at a time, mass producing all the parts.
Assembly is very quick.  The bodies are all quite similar, as they are
all made at the same time, using the same tools. The basic shape is
still "in progress".  The variety of legs possible is a heap of fun.

Coloring can take as long as you want.  These are early prototypes, so
I didn't spend a whole lot of time coloring them, maybe three minutes
each.


Green Frog is the name of a common pond frog.


These are hand-held digital photos.  I will be redoing the shots later
with studio equipment. Also, the fly is still evolving, and who knows
what it will be like or look like in a month or two.


Hope you enjoy seeing some new stuff.  I've sure enjoyed the puttering
around...


Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon

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Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers

[Don Ordes]

MeddelandeI like those- wonder if I can get that material here in the states...

Could be customized, too:

Two dubbings per tube, one out each end.
Drill holes along channel length = multiple dubbings per tube (blends?)

Gotta go shopping!

DonO
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  From: Martin Westbeek 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers


  Ok, nice topic. 
  Here is my shot at a better mousetrap: my favorite dubbing dispenser. 
  It's sawn out of channel plates, which are polyacrylate plates used for 
transparent roofs over terraces and such.
  They are double walled plates with ribs dividing the plate into channels. The 
plate is 0.25" thick and the channels are 0,4" wide.
  Just saw the plate (they come in 40" x 40") to size (my dispensers are about 
5" x 4") and voila. 
  Each of those channels packs the same amount of dubbing as one of the 
compartments in the compartment boxes we all know.  
  IMO the perfect box for traveling fly tiers.
  Mart


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Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique

[Don Ordes]

Would a bead-head ice-dub caddis larva qualify?  Or syn-seal?

IMW2K,

D
  - Original Message - 
  From: The Smiths 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique


  It might not not pass the test of being a fly here in Penna. The Penna code 
requires that most of the fly must be made of natural materials. Not man made 
rubber or plastics.
  Gary S.
- Original Message - 
From: Wes Wada 
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique


It also resembles a lot of the bass bugs used on a fly rod.  :)   


The fly is tied for initial use at Davis Lake in the Oregon Cascades.  This 
is a fishery that used be prime for big rainbows until illegally planted 
largemouths took over.  There are bucketmouths there in the 6-7 pound range, 
and the fly fishers are intent to remove as many as possible (losing cause).  
The frog will see a lot of action starting in April.


re: Mike Bliss's question.  The big rainbows at Sugar Creek Ranch can be 
enticed by a popper fly, but that is half the size of these bugs.  Not sure 
what reaction I will get until these are fished this season.  It might help to 
scale them down in size. The three green frogs are literally the first three 
taken to a finished state in this project.


Wes





On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Joyce Westphal  wrote:

  I don't think I'd call this a fly. I'd call it a synthetic lure as it 
resembles many of the bass bugs I use on a spinning rod. Joyce 



  On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Michael Bliss  
wrote:

Wes,

These look great but the real question is have you fished them and have 
they caught those big trout you shared with us on-line?

Mike 



On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Wes Wada  wrote:

  Hi You All,


  I mentioned in a previous post that I have been very busy and involved
  with fly tying.

  For the last year and a half, I've developed a style and technique of
  tying using kids' modeling "clay" -- Crayola brand's Model Magic -- as
  a basis for new fly patterns.  These have included an October Caddis
  pupa, a Field Cricket, and a Dragonfly Nymph.

  Attached are the first three Green Frogs, in the order that they were 
created.

  Materials are: white moldable foam, polypropylene yarn, rubber legs,
  and various flash materials.  Coloring is acrylic paint and art
  marker.  The eyes are created with fabric paint.  All of this is
  mounted on a large stinger hook. The space behind the eye of the hook
  is where a new type of weed guard will be tied in.  There are a good
  number of ideas going into this fly.


  The frog's legs are springy and hold their shape, and you can make the
  shapes surprisingly fast. The legs are shaped with a simple jig I've
  invented.

  The body length, not including the legs, is 2 inches.  The fly is
  lightweight, a tenth of an ounce.


  I've developed a technique that solidly anchors the hook in the
  hardened foam.  That's been battled tested.


  I make about five frogs at a time, mass producing all the parts.
  Assembly is very quick.  The bodies are all quite similar, as they are
  all made at the same time, using the same tools. The basic shape is
  still "in progress".  The variety of legs possible is a heap of fun.

  Coloring can take as long as you want.  These are early prototypes, so
  I didn't spend a whole lot of time coloring them, maybe three minutes
  each.


  Green Frog is the name of a common pond frog.


  These are hand-held digital photos.  I will be redoing the shots later
  with studio equipment. Also, the fly is still evolving, and who knows
  what it will be like or look like in a month or two.


  Hope you enjoy seeing some new stuff.  I've sure enjoyed the 
puttering around...


  Wes Wada
  Bend, Oregon

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[VFB] Itsy Bitsy swappers...

[Niclas Runarsson]

I might be the culprit delaying for a couple of days this time. Flies were
going to be mailed yesterday but couldn't since all of us are sick here.
Postponed to today... was the plan, since Teresa had to go shopping (sick or
not). But I didn't manage to pack them in time, since I had to tag flies
first... and since I'd lost my swap box, I had to carve an 8-compartment
fly-box into a 1-compartment box too... which btw is a thing I won't try to
do quickly again. With the plaster I have on my thumb now, I don't expect to
do any precision pinch-and-loops for a couple of days. LOL
 
But after being too rough with the first box and wrecked it completely, then
doing some first aid stuff on my thomb, I got the second box right (without
blood stains LOL) and could proceed with the envelope step... and finally
finish 'Operation:Packing'. 
 
So my #32 'Good Times Mini-Damsel's will go TOMORROW.
 
/Nick

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Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers

[Anthony Spezio]

Wes,
I have several binders made up that way for some small hackle capes. It works 
fine and it would work as well for dubbing as you say. This is bringing out a 
number of good ideas and gets the list active. Keep it up.
Tony

--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Wes Wada  wrote:

From: Wes Wada 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 10:15 AM

My favorite for travel is to get a lightweight binder and put in 8-1/2" x 11"  
pages of clear plastic business card files.  Each pocket meant to hold a 
business card will hold a LOT of dubbing.  For an additional trick, punch a 
hole in the face of each pocket and pull the dubbing through the hole for a 
dispenser.  My travel binder has about 60 different kinds of dubbing in it, and 
it takes next to no space and weighs very little.  It all fits in a side pocket 
of the case that I transport my tying vise in.

Wes WadaBend, Oregon


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Anthony Spezio  wrote:

Don,
I have those what I was wanting is a cube with small compartments. It is handy 
for carrying a lot of different colors tor traveling..

Looks like Wapsi has them and Nick found them in Bozman for 6.00. It has 30 
compartments.
Tony

--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Don Ordes  wrote:


From: Don Ordes 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers

To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 12:30 AM



 
 

Tony,
This what you looking for? 
 http://www.baxterhouseflyshop.com/servlet/the-121/Fly-Tying-Material%2C-Dubbing%2C/Detail

 


  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
  Anthony 
  Spezio 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:29 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Knotted legs
  

  


  Nick,
I am still looking for one of those dubbing 
boxes like you had at the Sowbug.
Tony

--- On Mon, 2/8/10, 
Niclas Runarsson  
wrote:


From: 
  Niclas Runarsson 
Subject: 
  Re: [VFB] Knotted legs
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: 
  Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:09 PM


  
  I often use the knitpicker too, both for 
  knotting legs, weaving and other 
  "loop 
  operations". My one 
  came together with a dubbing dispenser, 
  to pull out the
  dubbing through the holes on the back of the 
  compartments.
   
  /Nick
  

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Ämne: 
[VFB] Knotted legs



  
  

  
  I was asked about making Knotted Legs on 
  another list.
Thought it might start a tread on this list 
  so I am posting a part of the message I sent

-Took 
  these this morning, The feather is a beat up Pheasant tail 
  feather so the legs are not the best, it is just what I had 
  right here.
This is how I make my Knotted Legs
# 1 
  Feather held in the vise.
# 2  Make a loop around the 
  Knipicker shaft
# 3 Catch the tag end and pull it through 
  the loop, this makes an overhand knot.
# 4 Knotted leg
# 
  5 Two Knotted Legs
# 6 Three Knotted Legs Removed from 
  Quill
# 7 Knitpicker and Knotted Legs.

I was also 
  asked if I sprayed the feather first. In this case I did not 
  but I do at times.
Here is that reply

  Another 
list member asked if I sprayed the feather first, here was 
my reply to him.
I sometimes coat them with a fixative 
that is used for spraying over pencil drawings 
but not always. It can be done either way. Spraying them 
makes it easier to separate the barbs for making the 
knot.

The Knit Pickers
I was getting then in the 
Sewing Dept at Wally World for 99 cents. I think they went 
up to 1.09.00 now. I also use the for weaving the Knitpikin 
Mayfly tail and body that I have on my tying 
DVD.
Tony




  
  




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Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers

[Wes Wada]

My favorite for travel is to get a lightweight binder and put in 8-1/2" x
11"  pages of clear plastic business card files.  Each pocket meant to hold
a business card will hold a LOT of dubbing.  For an additional trick, punch
a hole in the face of each pocket and pull the dubbing through the hole for
a dispenser.  My travel binder has about 60 different kinds of dubbing in
it, and it takes next to no space and weighs very little.  It all fits in a
side pocket of the case that I transport my tying vise in.

Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon



On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Anthony Spezio  wrote:

> Don,
> I have those what I was wanting is a cube with small compartments. It is
> handy for carrying a lot of different colors tor traveling..
> Looks like Wapsi has them and Nick found them in Bozman for 6.00. It has 30
> compartments.
> Tony
>
> --- On *Tue, 2/9/10, Don Ordes * wrote:
>
>
> From: Don Ordes 
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers
>
> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 12:30 AM
>
>
> Tony,
> This what you looking for?
>
> http://www.baxterhouseflyshop.com/servlet/the-121/Fly-Tying-Material%2C-Dubbing%2C/Detail
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Anthony Spezio 
> *To:* 
> vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, February 08, 2010 4:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Knotted legs
>
>   Nick,
> I am still looking for one of those dubbing boxes like you had at the
> Sowbug.
> Tony
>
> --- On *Mon, 2/8/10, Niclas Runarsson 
> http://mc/compose?to=niclas.runars...@soderhamn.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Niclas Runarsson 
> http://mc/compose?to=niclas.runars...@soderhamn.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Knotted legs
> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:09 PM
>
>  I often use the knitpicker too, both for knotting legs, weaving and other
> "loop
> operations". My one came together with a dubbing dispenser, to pull out
> the
> dubbing through the holes on the back of the compartments.
>
> /Nick
>
>  -Ursprungligt meddelande-
> *Från:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] *För
> *Anthony Spezio
> *Skickat:* den 8 februari 2010 18:36
> *Till:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Ämne:* [VFB] Knotted legs
>
>I was asked about making Knotted Legs on another list.
> Thought it might start a tread on this list so I am posting a part of the
> message I sent
>
> -Took these this morning, The feather is a beat up Pheasant tail feather so
> the legs are not the best, it is just what I had right here.
> This is how I make my Knotted Legs
> # 1 Feather held in the vise.
> # 2  Make a loop around the Knipicker shaft
> # 3 Catch the tag end and pull it through the loop, this makes an overhand
> knot.
> # 4 Knotted leg
> # 5 Two Knotted Legs
> # 6 Three Knotted Legs Removed from Quill
> # 7 Knitpicker and Knotted Legs.
>
> I was also asked if I sprayed the feather first. In this case I did not but
> I do at times.
> Here is that reply
>
> Another list member asked if I sprayed the feather first, here was my reply
> to him.
> I sometimes coat them with a fixative that is used for spraying over pencil
> drawings but not always. It can be done either way. Spraying them makes it
> easier to separate the barbs for making the knot.
>
> The Knit Pickers
> I was getting then in the Sewing Dept at Wally World for 99 cents. I think
> they went up to 1.09.00 now. I also use the for weaving the Knitpikin Mayfly
> tail and body that I have on my tying DVD.
> Tony
>
>
>
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[VFB] Flies vs lures

[Jimmy D. Moore]

Over the years we've had several discussions on what makes a fly a fly 
and a lure a lure. It's pretty well summed up below in a piece from 
Wikipedia.  



If it takes a fly rod and fly line to cast it, it's a fly.  If it takes 
the weight of the lure to cast it, its a lure. Therefore fly rods cast 
flies and spinning / casting rods cast lures. In fly fishing, fish 
 are caught by using artificial flies 
 that are cast with a fly 
rod  and a fly line. The fly 
line (today, almost always coated with plastic) is heavy enough in order 
to send the fly to the target. This is one of the main differences 
between spinning and bait rods, which use the weight of the lure  to 
cast lures, and a weight on the line to cast bait, etc 



Artificial flies can vary dramatically in all morphological 
characteristics (size, weight, colour, etc.). Artificial flies are 
created by tying hair, fur, feathers, or other materials, both natural 
and synthetic, onto a hook with thread. The first flies were tied with 
natural materials, but synthetic materials are now very popular and 
prevalent. The flies are tied in sizes, colours and patterns to match 
local terrestrial and aquatic insects, baitfish, or other prey 
attractive to the target fish species.



 Casting - Flies vs Lures

Unlike other casting 
 methods, fly 
fishing can be thought of as a method of casting line rather than lure. 
Non-flyfishing methods rely on a lure's weight to pull line from the 
reel during the forward motion of a cast. By design, a fly is too light 
to be cast, and thus simply follows the unfurling of a properly cast fly 
line, which is heavier and tapered and therefore more castable than 
lines used in other types of fishing.


to read the entire Wikipedia piece, click on the link below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_fishing




  ><º>  *
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Fishing & Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe 
River Trout Unlimited,   North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus,
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RE: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers - FYI

[Anthony Spezio]

Been there done that, it was not what I had wanted. Good idea for those that do 
not know about it.
Tony

--- On Tue, 2/9/10, J McK  wrote:

From: J McK 
Subject: RE: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers - FYI
To: "Fly Swap" 
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 8:22 AM




 

My two cents worth, you can find plactis boxes at sporting goods stores and like

Wla-Mart and make your own.

Jerry McKaughan,President
Caddis Fly Fishing Club
P. O. Box 9104
Russellville, AR 72811
www.caddisflyfishers.org



 


Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 04:53:52 -0800
From: bambot...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com





Don,
I have those what I was wanting is a cube with small compartments. It is handy 
for carrying a lot of different colors tor traveling..
Looks like Wapsi has them and Nick found them in Bozman for 6.00. It has 30 
compartments.
Tony

--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Don Ordes  wrote:


From: Don Ordes 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 12:30 AM






Tony,
This what you looking for? 
 http://www.baxterhouseflyshop.com/servlet/the-121/Fly-Tying-Material%2C-Dubbing%2C/Detail
 


- Original Message - 
From: Anthony Spezio 
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Knotted legs





Nick,
I am still looking for one of those dubbing boxes like you had at the Sowbug.
Tony

--- On Mon, 2/8/10, Niclas Runarsson  wrote:


From: Niclas Runarsson 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Knotted legs
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:09 PM



I often use the knitpicker too, both for knotting legs, weaving and other "loop 
operations". My one came together with a dubbing dispenser, to pull out the
dubbing through the holes on the back of the compartments.
 
/Nick


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Ämne: [VFB] Knotted legs







I was asked about making Knotted Legs on another list.
Thought it might start a tread on this list so I am posting a part of the 
message I sent

-Took these this morning, The feather is a beat up Pheasant tail feather so the 
legs are not the best, it is just what I had right here.
This is how I make my Knotted Legs
# 1 Feather held in the vise.
# 2  Make a loop around the Knipicker shaft
# 3 Catch the tag end and pull it through the loop, this makes an overhand knot.
# 4 Knotted leg
# 5 Two Knotted Legs
# 6 Three Knotted Legs Removed from Quill
# 7 Knitpicker and Knotted Legs.

I was also asked if I sprayed the feather first. In this case I did not but I 
do at times.
Here is that reply

Another list member asked if I sprayed the feather first, here was my reply to 
him.
I sometimes coat them with a fixative that is used for spraying over pencil 
drawings but not always. It can be done either way. Spraying them makes it 
easier to separate the barbs for making the knot.

The Knit Pickers
I was getting then in the Sewing Dept at Wally World for 99 cents. I think they 
went up to 1.09.00 now. I also use the for weaving the Knitpikin Mayfly tail 
and body that I have on my tying DVD.
Tony











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Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique

[Wes Wada]

It does pass the Oregon regulations for fly-only waters.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:21 AM, The Smiths  wrote:

>  It might not not pass the test of being a fly here in Penna. The Penna
> code requires that most of the fly must be made of natural materials. Not
> man made rubber or plastics.
> Gary S.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Wes Wada 
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:04 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique
>
> It also resembles a lot of the bass bugs used on a fly rod.  :)
>
> The fly is tied for initial use at Davis Lake in the Oregon Cascades.  This
> is a fishery that used be prime for big rainbows until illegally planted
> largemouths took over.  There are bucketmouths there in the 6-7 pound range,
> and the fly fishers are intent to remove as many as possible (losing cause).
>  The frog will see a lot of action starting in April.
>
> re: Mike Bliss's question.  The big rainbows at Sugar Creek Ranch can be
> enticed by a popper fly, but that is half the size of these bugs.  Not sure
> what reaction I will get until these are fished this season.  It might help
> to scale them down in size. The three green frogs are literally the first
> three taken to a finished state in this project.
>
> Wes
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Joyce Westphal wrote:
>
>> I don't think I'd call this a fly. I'd call it a synthetic lure as it
>> resembles many of the bass bugs I use on a spinning rod. Joyce
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Michael Bliss wrote:
>>
>>> Wes,
>>>
>>> These look great but the real question is have you fished them and have
>>> they caught those big trout you shared with us on-line?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Wes Wada  wrote:
>>>
 Hi You All,


 I mentioned in a previous post that I have been very busy and involved
 with fly tying.

 For the last year and a half, I've developed a style and technique of
 tying using kids' modeling "clay" -- Crayola brand's Model Magic -- as
 a basis for new fly patterns.  These have included an October Caddis
 pupa, a Field Cricket, and a Dragonfly Nymph.

 Attached are the first three Green Frogs, in the order that they were
 created.

 Materials are: white moldable foam, polypropylene yarn, rubber legs,
 and various flash materials.  Coloring is acrylic paint and art
 marker.  The eyes are created with fabric paint.  All of this is
 mounted on a large stinger hook. The space behind the eye of the hook
 is where a new type of weed guard will be tied in.  There are a good
 number of ideas going into this fly.


 The frog's legs are springy and hold their shape, and you can make the
 shapes surprisingly fast. The legs are shaped with a simple jig I've
 invented.

 The body length, not including the legs, is 2 inches.  The fly is
 lightweight, a tenth of an ounce.


 I've developed a technique that solidly anchors the hook in the
 hardened foam.  That's been battled tested.


 I make about five frogs at a time, mass producing all the parts.
 Assembly is very quick.  The bodies are all quite similar, as they are
 all made at the same time, using the same tools. The basic shape is
 still "in progress".  The variety of legs possible is a heap of fun.

 Coloring can take as long as you want.  These are early prototypes, so
 I didn't spend a whole lot of time coloring them, maybe three minutes
 each.


 Green Frog is the name of a common pond frog.


 These are hand-held digital photos.  I will be redoing the shots later
 with studio equipment. Also, the fly is still evolving, and who knows
 what it will be like or look like in a month or two.


 Hope you enjoy seeing some new stuff.  I've sure enjoyed the puttering
 around...


 Wes Wada
 Bend, Oregon

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>>>
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Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique

[The Smiths]

It might not not pass the test of being a fly here in Penna. The Penna code 
requires that most of the fly must be made of natural materials. Not man made 
rubber or plastics.
Gary S.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Wes Wada 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique


  It also resembles a lot of the bass bugs used on a fly rod.  :)  


  The fly is tied for initial use at Davis Lake in the Oregon Cascades.  This 
is a fishery that used be prime for big rainbows until illegally planted 
largemouths took over.  There are bucketmouths there in the 6-7 pound range, 
and the fly fishers are intent to remove as many as possible (losing cause).  
The frog will see a lot of action starting in April.


  re: Mike Bliss's question.  The big rainbows at Sugar Creek Ranch can be 
enticed by a popper fly, but that is half the size of these bugs.  Not sure 
what reaction I will get until these are fished this season.  It might help to 
scale them down in size. The three green frogs are literally the first three 
taken to a finished state in this project.


  Wes





  On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Joyce Westphal  wrote:

I don't think I'd call this a fly. I'd call it a synthetic lure as it 
resembles many of the bass bugs I use on a spinning rod. Joyce



On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Michael Bliss  wrote:

  Wes,

  These look great but the real question is have you fished them and have 
they caught those big trout you shared with us on-line?

  Mike



  On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Wes Wada  wrote:

Hi You All,


I mentioned in a previous post that I have been very busy and involved
with fly tying.

For the last year and a half, I've developed a style and technique of
tying using kids' modeling "clay" -- Crayola brand's Model Magic -- as
a basis for new fly patterns.  These have included an October Caddis
pupa, a Field Cricket, and a Dragonfly Nymph.

Attached are the first three Green Frogs, in the order that they were 
created.

Materials are: white moldable foam, polypropylene yarn, rubber legs,
and various flash materials.  Coloring is acrylic paint and art
marker.  The eyes are created with fabric paint.  All of this is
mounted on a large stinger hook. The space behind the eye of the hook
is where a new type of weed guard will be tied in.  There are a good
number of ideas going into this fly.


The frog's legs are springy and hold their shape, and you can make the
shapes surprisingly fast. The legs are shaped with a simple jig I've
invented.

The body length, not including the legs, is 2 inches.  The fly is
lightweight, a tenth of an ounce.


I've developed a technique that solidly anchors the hook in the
hardened foam.  That's been battled tested.


I make about five frogs at a time, mass producing all the parts.
Assembly is very quick.  The bodies are all quite similar, as they are
all made at the same time, using the same tools. The basic shape is
still "in progress".  The variety of legs possible is a heap of fun.

Coloring can take as long as you want.  These are early prototypes, so
I didn't spend a whole lot of time coloring them, maybe three minutes
each.


Green Frog is the name of a common pond frog.


These are hand-held digital photos.  I will be redoing the shots later
with studio equipment. Also, the fly is still evolving, and who knows
what it will be like or look like in a month or two.


Hope you enjoy seeing some new stuff.  I've sure enjoyed the puttering 
around...


Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon

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RE: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers - FYI

[J McK]

 

My two cents worth, you can find plactis boxes at sporting goods stores and like

Wla-Mart and make your own.

Jerry McKaughan,President
Caddis Fly Fishing Club
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 04:53:52 -0800
From: bambot...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com





Don,
I have those what I was wanting is a cube with small compartments. It is handy 
for carrying a lot of different colors tor traveling..
Looks like Wapsi has them and Nick found them in Bozman for 6.00. It has 30 
compartments.
Tony

--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Don Ordes  wrote:


From: Don Ordes 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 12:30 AM





Tony,
This what you looking for? 
 
http://www.baxterhouseflyshop.com/servlet/the-121/Fly-Tying-Material%2C-Dubbing%2C/Detail
 


- Original Message - 
From: Anthony Spezio 
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Knotted legs





Nick,
I am still looking for one of those dubbing boxes like you had at the Sowbug.
Tony

--- On Mon, 2/8/10, Niclas Runarsson  wrote:


From: Niclas Runarsson 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Knotted legs
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:09 PM



I often use the knitpicker too, both for knotting legs, weaving and other "loop 
operations". My one came together with a dubbing dispenser, to pull out the
dubbing through the holes on the back of the compartments.
 
/Nick


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Ämne: [VFB] Knotted legs







I was asked about making Knotted Legs on another list.
Thought it might start a tread on this list so I am posting a part of the 
message I sent

-Took these this morning, The feather is a beat up Pheasant tail feather so the 
legs are not the best, it is just what I had right here.
This is how I make my Knotted Legs
# 1 Feather held in the vise.
# 2  Make a loop around the Knipicker shaft
# 3 Catch the tag end and pull it through the loop, this makes an overhand knot.
# 4 Knotted leg
# 5 Two Knotted Legs
# 6 Three Knotted Legs Removed from Quill
# 7 Knitpicker and Knotted Legs.

I was also asked if I sprayed the feather first. In this case I did not but I 
do at times.
Here is that reply

Another list member asked if I sprayed the feather first, here was my reply to 
him.
I sometimes coat them with a fixative that is used for spraying over pencil 
drawings but not always. It can be done either way. Spraying them makes it 
easier to separate the barbs for making the knot.

The Knit Pickers
I was getting then in the Sewing Dept at Wally World for 99 cents. I think they 
went up to 1.09.00 now. I also use the for weaving the Knitpikin Mayfly tail 
and body that I have on my tying DVD.
Tony











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Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique

[Wes Wada]

It also resembles a lot of the bass bugs used on a fly rod.  :)

The fly is tied for initial use at Davis Lake in the Oregon Cascades.  This
is a fishery that used be prime for big rainbows until illegally planted
largemouths took over.  There are bucketmouths there in the 6-7 pound range,
and the fly fishers are intent to remove as many as possible (losing cause).
 The frog will see a lot of action starting in April.

re: Mike Bliss's question.  The big rainbows at Sugar Creek Ranch can be
enticed by a popper fly, but that is half the size of these bugs.  Not sure
what reaction I will get until these are fished this season.  It might help
to scale them down in size. The three green frogs are literally the first
three taken to a finished state in this project.

Wes



On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Joyce Westphal  wrote:

> I don't think I'd call this a fly. I'd call it a synthetic lure as it
> resembles many of the bass bugs I use on a spinning rod. Joyce
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Michael Bliss wrote:
>
>> Wes,
>>
>> These look great but the real question is have you fished them and have
>> they caught those big trout you shared with us on-line?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Wes Wada  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi You All,
>>>
>>>
>>> I mentioned in a previous post that I have been very busy and involved
>>> with fly tying.
>>>
>>> For the last year and a half, I've developed a style and technique of
>>> tying using kids' modeling "clay" -- Crayola brand's Model Magic -- as
>>> a basis for new fly patterns.  These have included an October Caddis
>>> pupa, a Field Cricket, and a Dragonfly Nymph.
>>>
>>> Attached are the first three Green Frogs, in the order that they were
>>> created.
>>>
>>> Materials are: white moldable foam, polypropylene yarn, rubber legs,
>>> and various flash materials.  Coloring is acrylic paint and art
>>> marker.  The eyes are created with fabric paint.  All of this is
>>> mounted on a large stinger hook. The space behind the eye of the hook
>>> is where a new type of weed guard will be tied in.  There are a good
>>> number of ideas going into this fly.
>>>
>>>
>>> The frog's legs are springy and hold their shape, and you can make the
>>> shapes surprisingly fast. The legs are shaped with a simple jig I've
>>> invented.
>>>
>>> The body length, not including the legs, is 2 inches.  The fly is
>>> lightweight, a tenth of an ounce.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've developed a technique that solidly anchors the hook in the
>>> hardened foam.  That's been battled tested.
>>>
>>>
>>> I make about five frogs at a time, mass producing all the parts.
>>> Assembly is very quick.  The bodies are all quite similar, as they are
>>> all made at the same time, using the same tools. The basic shape is
>>> still "in progress".  The variety of legs possible is a heap of fun.
>>>
>>> Coloring can take as long as you want.  These are early prototypes, so
>>> I didn't spend a whole lot of time coloring them, maybe three minutes
>>> each.
>>>
>>>
>>> Green Frog is the name of a common pond frog.
>>>
>>>
>>> These are hand-held digital photos.  I will be redoing the shots later
>>> with studio equipment. Also, the fly is still evolving, and who knows
>>> what it will be like or look like in a month or two.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy seeing some new stuff.  I've sure enjoyed the puttering
>>> around...
>>>
>>>
>>> Wes Wada
>>> Bend, Oregon
>>>
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Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers

[Anthony Spezio]

Don,
I have those what I was wanting is a cube with small compartments. It is handy 
for carrying a lot of different colors tor traveling..
Looks like Wapsi has them and Nick found them in Bozman for 6.00. It has 30 
compartments.
Tony

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From: Don Ordes 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dubbing dispensers
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 12:30 AM


Meddelande
 
 

Tony,
This what you looking for? 
 http://www.baxterhouseflyshop.com/servlet/the-121/Fly-Tying-Material%2C-Dubbing%2C/Detail
 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Anthony 
  Spezio 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:29 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Knotted legs
  

  


  Nick,
I am still looking for one of those dubbing 
boxes like you had at the Sowbug.
Tony

--- On Mon, 2/8/10, 
Niclas Runarsson  
wrote:


From: 
  Niclas Runarsson 
Subject: 
  Re: [VFB] Knotted legs
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: 
  Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:09 PM


  
  I often use the knitpicker too, both for 
  knotting legs, weaving and other 
  "loop 
  operations". My one 
  came together with a dubbing dispenser, 
  to pull out the
  dubbing through the holes on the back of the 
  compartments.
   
  /Nick
  

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Ämne: 
[VFB] Knotted legs



  
  

  
  I was asked about making Knotted Legs on 
  another list.
Thought it might start a tread on this list 
  so I am posting a part of the message I sent

-Took 
  these this morning, The feather is a beat up Pheasant tail 
  feather so the legs are not the best, it is just what I had 
  right here.
This is how I make my Knotted Legs
# 1 
  Feather held in the vise.
# 2  Make a loop around the 
  Knipicker shaft
# 3 Catch the tag end and pull it through 
  the loop, this makes an overhand knot.
# 4 Knotted leg
# 
  5 Two Knotted Legs
# 6 Three Knotted Legs Removed from 
  Quill
# 7 Knitpicker and Knotted Legs.

I was also 
  asked if I sprayed the feather first. In this case I did not 
  but I do at times.
Here is that reply

  Another 
list member asked if I sprayed the feather first, here was 
my reply to him.
I sometimes coat them with a fixative 
that is used for spraying over pencil drawings 
but not always. It can be done either way. Spraying them 
makes it easier to separate the barbs for making the 
knot.

The Knit Pickers
I was getting then in the 
Sewing Dept at Wally World for 99 cents. I think they went 
up to 1.09.00 now. I also use the for weaving the Knitpikin 
Mayfly tail and body that I have on my tying 
DVD.
Tony




  
  




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Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique

[Joyce Westphal]

I don't think I'd call this a fly. I'd call it a synthetic lure as it
resembles many of the bass bugs I use on a spinning rod. Joyce

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Michael Bliss  wrote:

> Wes,
>
> These look great but the real question is have you fished them and have
> they caught those big trout you shared with us on-line?
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Wes Wada  wrote:
>
>> Hi You All,
>>
>>
>> I mentioned in a previous post that I have been very busy and involved
>> with fly tying.
>>
>> For the last year and a half, I've developed a style and technique of
>> tying using kids' modeling "clay" -- Crayola brand's Model Magic -- as
>> a basis for new fly patterns.  These have included an October Caddis
>> pupa, a Field Cricket, and a Dragonfly Nymph.
>>
>> Attached are the first three Green Frogs, in the order that they were
>> created.
>>
>> Materials are: white moldable foam, polypropylene yarn, rubber legs,
>> and various flash materials.  Coloring is acrylic paint and art
>> marker.  The eyes are created with fabric paint.  All of this is
>> mounted on a large stinger hook. The space behind the eye of the hook
>> is where a new type of weed guard will be tied in.  There are a good
>> number of ideas going into this fly.
>>
>>
>> The frog's legs are springy and hold their shape, and you can make the
>> shapes surprisingly fast. The legs are shaped with a simple jig I've
>> invented.
>>
>> The body length, not including the legs, is 2 inches.  The fly is
>> lightweight, a tenth of an ounce.
>>
>>
>> I've developed a technique that solidly anchors the hook in the
>> hardened foam.  That's been battled tested.
>>
>>
>> I make about five frogs at a time, mass producing all the parts.
>> Assembly is very quick.  The bodies are all quite similar, as they are
>> all made at the same time, using the same tools. The basic shape is
>> still "in progress".  The variety of legs possible is a heap of fun.
>>
>> Coloring can take as long as you want.  These are early prototypes, so
>> I didn't spend a whole lot of time coloring them, maybe three minutes
>> each.
>>
>>
>> Green Frog is the name of a common pond frog.
>>
>>
>> These are hand-held digital photos.  I will be redoing the shots later
>> with studio equipment. Also, the fly is still evolving, and who knows
>> what it will be like or look like in a month or two.
>>
>>
>> Hope you enjoy seeing some new stuff.  I've sure enjoyed the puttering
>> around...
>>
>>
>> Wes Wada
>> Bend, Oregon
>>
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